Part Of The Problem - Dave Smith - A Tale Of Three Governers
Aired: 2021-03-18
Duration: 57:21


=== Rolling Back The State (14:33) ===

[00:00:00]  Fill her up.
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[00:00:07]  We need to roll back the state.
[00:00:09]  We spy on all of our own citizens.
[00:00:11]  Our prisons are flooded with nonviolent drug offenders.
[00:00:15]  If you want to know who America's next enemy is, look at who we're funding right now.
[00:00:20]  Every single one of these problems are a result of government being way too big.
[00:00:32]  What's up, everybody?
[00:00:34]  Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem.
[00:00:36]  I'm the most consistent motherfucker you know, but you already knew that if you were consistent.
[00:00:42]  And he is the king of the caulks, Robbie the Fire Bernstein.
[00:00:45]  It is our Wednesday episode.
[00:00:48]  What is up, my brother?
[00:00:49]  Nothing much.
[00:00:50]  How's your week going, Davey Smith?
[00:00:52]  Oh, what can you say?
[00:00:53]  It's St. Patty's Day.
[00:00:55]  I'm talking to my best friend, Rob Bernstein.
[00:00:58]  Let's do it.
[00:00:58]  Let's listen to it.
[00:00:59]  Day St. Patty's Day.
[00:01:00]  It is indeed.
[00:01:01]  Oh, that's sad.
[00:01:02]  I felt like you'd know that.
[00:01:04]  I'll just start day drinking earlier.
[00:01:06]  No points here.
[00:01:08]  Sure, you're not Irish, but you're definitely a drunk.
[00:01:12]  I mean, I figured, you know, you didn't need much of an excuse.
[00:01:15]  I only went out on St. Patty's Day once in New York, but damn, was that parade fun?
[00:01:19]  Yeah, you had fun at the parade.
[00:01:21]  St. Patty's Day in New York, it was never really my thing.
[00:01:26]  It's too, you know, I'm like, I'm a maybe when I was younger, like in my early 20s, I probably enjoyed it, but I became more of an old man drunk than a, you know, there's too many loud, drunk people on the street, too many fights happening.
[00:01:42]  It's just, I have a very get off my lawn.
[00:01:45]  I'm a get off my lawn libertarian these days rather than a live and let live libertarian.
[00:01:50]  I think when you drink every day in New York City, whenever like you just feel like they're in your office, you're like, what the fuck, I like I'm trying to drink at the bar.
[00:01:58]  Like, can you just quit?
[00:02:00]  Yeah, it's like these old man dive bars turn into like young party bars for one day a week.
[00:02:05]  And it's like, you're not, you don't belong here.
[00:02:09]  I had that once where I was talking up this dive bar that I liked and we were out on a Saturday and I went like we went there on a Saturday and I'm like, oh, I like this on a Tuesday night when I'm drinking with the janitor here.
[00:02:18]  Like, I don't like Saturday night energy at this bar at all.
[00:02:20]  That's where the action is.
[00:02:22]  Rolling dice with the janitor, telling war stories.
[00:02:25]  That's what I'm talking about right there.
[00:02:28]  All right.
[00:02:28]  Well, so there's a few things on my mind for today's episode.
[00:02:31]  First off, just want to mention that I recorded with Reed Coverdale last night on his YouTube channel.
[00:02:42]  I believe it's the Naturalist Capitalist.
[00:02:45]  And yeah, had a great conversation with Reed, who I really love that guy.
[00:02:50]  So please go check that out and go check out his channel.
[00:02:52]  He puts a lot of great content out there.
[00:02:54]  So go check out Reed Coverdale's channel on YouTube.
[00:02:59]  And yeah, I hope you enjoyed that conversation.
[00:03:02]  Also, don't forget, I will be speaking at the New Jersey State Libertarian Party Convention in just a couple of days.
[00:03:11]  I'll be speaking on Saturday.
[00:03:12]  Scott Horton will be speaking there as well.
[00:03:14]  So that should be a lot of fun.
[00:03:16]  Of course, this summer, me and Robbie the Fire Bernstein will be at Porkfest doing a live stand-up show and a live podcast.
[00:03:22]  I will be hosting Freedom Fest in South Dakota in July.
[00:03:27]  I'll be hosting the entire thing.
[00:03:29]  Also should be a lot of fun.
[00:03:31]  And Robbie the Fire will be at the Childeberg Fest.
[00:03:37]  Is that what they call it?
[00:03:38]  Whatever it is.
[00:03:39]  He'll be there.
[00:03:40]  Childeberg, Damon Oscar.
[00:03:41]  Gonna be fun.
[00:03:42]  Yeah, so go check that out.
[00:03:43]  And of course, check out Rob's podcast, Run Your Mouth.
[00:03:46]  Don't forget about that.
[00:03:47]  Great, great show.
[00:03:48]  Hilarious and informative, as Robbie the Fire Bernstein always is.
[00:03:52]  Okay.
[00:03:53]  Yeah, of course.
[00:03:54]  Yeah.
[00:03:55]  I mean, there's a gun to my rib right now.
[00:03:57]  Someone that you sent made me say it.
[00:03:59]  But anyway, I always plug it at the end of the show.
[00:04:01]  So let's get that out of the way at the beginning.
[00:04:03]  So, you know, some people might tune out by then.
[00:04:05]  They're bored.
[00:04:06]  We can free up some time at the end now.
[00:04:07]  Talk about something else in the last second.
[00:04:09]  At the end, I can tell you, seriously, don't check out Run Your Mouth.
[00:04:13]  Okay.
[00:04:13]  That was all bullshit up front.
[00:04:15]  Anyway, okay.
[00:04:16]  So there's a few things that are going on in the world and a few things that are on my mind.
[00:04:22]  One of them that is really fascinating to me is the tale of the three governors.
[00:04:30]  And governors have, of course, over the last year become, let's say, more involved in the average American's life than previously.
[00:04:42]  Not to say that governors don't have a lot of power.
[00:04:44]  I mean, they're the executives of the states.
[00:04:46]  But personally, for me, maybe this is a New York City thing because the mayor of New York City is always such an important figure, you know, like growing up with Giuliani and then even with Bloomberg and to some degree with de Blasio.
[00:05:00]  In New York City, the mayor was always something you kind of focused on.
[00:05:03]  The governor was this guy up in Albany doing some bullshit.
[00:05:06]  And then the president was the guy lying us into war.
[00:05:09]  That's how I was always comfortable with the dynamic working.
[00:05:13]  But this year, that changed a lot.
[00:05:15]  And people were really aware of their governor because they're watching TV every day to find out what they're allowed to do.
[00:05:22]  And your governor was the title.
[00:05:24]  Killing Emmys and raping bitches.
[00:05:25]  Well, that's right.
[00:05:26]  Evidently, killing grandmas, collecting Emmys, you know, just the lifestyle of a gangster pimp.
[00:05:33]  And what's really interesting here is that, and when I say the tale of the three governors, the three governors that I'm thinking of are Andrew Cuomo and Gavin Newsome and Ron DeSantis.
[00:05:45]  And Andrew Cuomo was just, I mean, to say praised would be the understatement of the year.
[00:05:54]  He was borderline worshipped by the entire establishment throughout the crisis.
[00:06:01]  He was, you know, their late night talk show hosts, corporate press pundits, they were all just bowing down.
[00:06:14]  He was given a puff piece segment with his brother, a regular segment on CNN to just basically just talk about how great the guy is and how wonderful he is.
[00:06:25]  And man, isn't he so much better than Donald Trump and yada yada yada?
[00:06:29]  And Gavin Newsome got a lot of praise as well, not quite to the extent that Cuomo did, but he got a lot.
[00:06:34]  And the villain was DeSantis in Florida, because here was this backward, backward Republican who was not buying into the COVID narrative.
[00:06:47]  I think part of that story was also, it was, I mean, how they got in part, how they got Trump out of office was the, hey, Trump lied to you.
[00:06:55]  Look, here are reasonable adults who are willing to actually confront this situation and here's how bad the situation is.
[00:07:02]  So that was part of why those two governors were praised as much.
[00:07:05]  And I think also now we're going into more conspiracy theory area, but it's pretty clear that they wanted all hands on deck in terms of shutting down states and making people as miserable as possible.
[00:07:17]  And DeSantis was definitely not one of those, you know, one of the holdouts on that one.
[00:07:21]  Well, and also if you're if you're trying to, you know, destroy Donald Trump, you don't want a Republican hero, you know, you want these Democrat heroes.
[00:07:29]  And they're, of course, whatever the agenda was, which of course me and you can only speculate about, although there does, you know, it seems to be quite plausible that what you're saying was in fact the case.
[00:07:45]  Regardless, the fact is that they praised just relentlessly the way Cuomo and Newsome were handling this and just endlessly vilified the way DeSantis handled it in Florida.
[00:08:00]  And it's pretty interesting the way this is all turning out.
[00:08:04]  Sometimes there are things that even the corporate press can't ignore because they are in the game of tricking you into believing that they're journalists.
[00:08:16]  And sometimes they have to confront certain realities that otherwise they just won't be able to trick you into believing that they're journalists.
[00:08:25]  And then their whole game's over if they can't do that.
[00:08:28]  And so, like, for example, one of the realities would be a recall election.
[00:08:35]  I mean, they can't pretend that's not happening.
[00:08:37]  They can't pretend hundreds of thousands of people haven't signed, you know, for a recall election.
[00:08:44]  And right now you have a situation where, and it's really beautiful in a way, that their whole narrative on these three governors has just collapsed based on the facts on the ground.
[00:09:01]  And there's just nothing they can say.
[00:09:03]  I mean, Cuomo at this point is just a disgrace.
[00:09:08]  And even the Democrats have thrown him under the bus because he is such a weight that they can't tie themselves to this anchor.
[00:09:15]  It's like now it's known.
[00:09:17]  Oh my God, it just came out the other day that there was this letter that some nursing homes sent to them back in, I believe, May of last year, maybe June of last year, saying, this is going to kill people.
[00:09:30]  If you force us to take COVID positive patients into nursing homes, you're going to kill people.
[00:09:36]  You know, you just can't argue that he did this.
[00:09:41]  He sent these COVID positive patients into nursing homes, forced the nursing homes to take them, covered up the data to not, you know, have to deal with the bad publicity that comes along with murder.
[00:09:55]  And all while sexually harassing his staff.
[00:09:57]  What a ball.
[00:09:59]  And the real crime, of course, is that he made inappropriate jokes all along the way.
[00:10:04]  But so now he's been me too.
[00:10:06]  He's been killed grandmas.
[00:10:09]  He's just, he's in a lot of trouble right now.
[00:10:11]  And a lot of Democrats want him to resign.
[00:10:14]  A lot of them have turned on him.
[00:10:17]  Governor Gavin Newsom is looking at a recall election.
[00:10:22]  He's just been publicly humiliated.
[00:10:26]  And then there's DeSantis, who's sitting in Florida.
[00:10:30]  Florida is booming.
[00:10:33]  Their economy is doing better than any of these other states.
[00:10:36]  And their COVID numbers are kind of in the middle of the national average.
[00:10:43]  They did a lot better than New York or California.
[00:10:47]  And, you know, they've got this incredibly, this incredibly large population of old people.
[00:10:54]  There's no real easy reason why they shouldn't have been hit incredibly hard.
[00:11:01]  And now they're standing there as this shining example that the whole narrative is bullshit.
[00:11:10]  That the whole narrative of, I mean, if you think about how draconian the lockdowns have been, you're talking about, you know, as I've said, you know, for the last year on the show, you're talking about governors repealing the Bill of Rights.
[00:11:27]  You're talking about even without a Bill of Rights to shred, just something that is, you know, a violation of basic freedoms on a pretty unbelievable scale.
[00:11:41]  You know, arresting people for going to churches, not allowing people to have funerals, not allowing people to, you know, whatever, go with their wife to a sonogram appointment, not allowing, you know, like violating a lot of really basic freedoms, then kicking, you know, millions of people out of work who you deemed inessential.
[00:12:00]  Now, I think you don't have to be some radical libertarian type to say that if you are going to take these incredible measures, then it would have to be assumed that there was an incredible benefit for those measures, right?
[00:12:19]  Like it would, it would, it would go without saying that, of course, if you were going to support that, it would mean that had we not taken these measures, things would be so incredibly bad.
[00:12:30]  That's the only justification you could find for this type of draconian totalitarianism, right?
[00:12:38]  And then you have Florida sitting there who didn't do any of it.
[00:12:42]  And it's not much worse.
[00:12:46]  Like for the narrative to be true, Florida has to be much worse.
[00:12:50]  The states that don't lock down have to do much worse.
[00:12:53]  And that's not even close to true.
[00:12:55]  And so this is a problem.
[00:12:57]  But I'll tell you what's interesting is that even CNN that had a piece earlier today that I noticed called a year into the pandemic, Florida is booming and Republican Governor DeSantis is taking credit.
[00:13:14]  Now, you know, it's CNN.
[00:13:16]  So they're still kind of framing it in this way.
[00:13:19]  And they call Fox News propaganda and they take some shots at DeSantis.
[00:13:22]  And it's not like glowing.
[00:13:24]  You know, you're never going to get that.
[00:13:25]  But even they have to admit that the story here is that Florida is doing really well, that this state that did not give in to these crazy totalitarian rules, not that they're perfect, not that life is completely normal there, but a lot better than New York or California or many of the other states.
[00:13:46]  Even they have to admit things are going pretty good.
[00:13:49]  Things are going.
[00:13:50]  I mean, you know, they've been hit with COVID, just like everyone's been hit with COVID.
[00:13:54]  It's not like that it's a utopia, but their unemployment is much lower than these other states who locked down.
[00:14:01]  You know, what a shock.
[00:14:03]  Businesses are coming in.
[00:14:04]  They're starting new businesses in Florida.
[00:14:07]  I don't think there's a whole lot of new businesses starting in LA or New York.
[00:14:12]  And even they have to admit, this isn't quite what one would have been led to believe had they just watched CNN for the last year.
[00:14:25]  If they had just watched CNN for the last year, as I thought Cuomo was supposed to be the hero who was handling everything so well, and this DeSantis guy was risking everybody's life.

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=== Progressives Turn Against Cuomo (15:01) ===

[00:16:50]  All right, let's get back into the show.
[00:16:52]  So, the other thing that's been happening a lot lately is that a lot of progressives have turned against both Cuomo and Newsome.
[00:17:04]  And, you know, I saw a video recently with two progressive commentators who were both saying that they support the recall against Gavin Newsome.
[00:17:14]  I think that his, you know, again, even you, you have this kind of like abstract worldview, which a lot of people have, us included, you know.
[00:17:26]  And in the progressive worldview, it's like Trump is wrong.
[00:17:30]  Trump sucks.
[00:17:31]  He's an idiot.
[00:17:32]  And he's anti-science and he's racist and all these other things.
[00:17:36]  And of course, you'd think he mismanaged the handling of COVID, you know, and that's pretty easy.
[00:17:44]  You know, if you want to convince yourself that anyone in government mishandled something, you can always find some evidence to back that up.
[00:17:51]  And I certainly would agree with you on that stuff.
[00:17:56]  But there's this worldview that you have, your beliefs, and then there's reality.
[00:18:02]  And also now that Trump's gone, you're just kind of sitting here stuck with the facts on the ground.
[00:18:09]  And for all these left-wingers who live in LA or New York, the place is fucking destroyed like it's never been before.
[00:18:17]  It's a goddamn disaster.
[00:18:19]  This is why.
[00:18:22]  Excuse me.
[00:18:23]  This is why people are rushing.
[00:18:24]  Thank you, sir.
[00:18:25]  This is why people are rushing out of New York and LA.
[00:18:29]  It's a nightmare.
[00:18:30]  There's homeless people everywhere.
[00:18:32]  It's a depressed place to walk around or drive around, I guess, in LA.
[00:18:40]  There's unemployment everywhere.
[00:18:41]  Business is destroyed everywhere.
[00:18:43]  And I think that this reality is to some degree starting to set in.
[00:18:47]  That people, even people who are deranged, have Trump derangement syndrome, still don't want to live like this.
[00:18:55]  So anyway, something else that caught my eye was that Jake Tapper had Gavin Newsom on.
[00:19:02]  And I think Jake Tapper had to, you know, he had to play journalist for a little bit.
[00:19:08]  And I really thought there's, it's just a small clip that I wanted to play, but I thought Gavin Newsom's response was just like incredibly revealing and it really just showed you what we're dealing with here.
[00:19:19]  So let's play that.
[00:19:21]  We could we could comment on it for a minute.
[00:19:26]  It's been observed that the recall petition had only around 50,000 signatures until you infamously attended that dinner with multiple other households at that fancy restaurant, French laundry or whatever it's called, a birthday party for a lobbyist, no less, all while you were telling Californians that they should be staying at home.
[00:19:48]  So with about 50, 55,000 signatures before you had that dinner, then a month later, that 50,000 signatures had become something like 500,000.
[00:19:56]  Now, I know, governor, you have apologized for that dinner.
[00:20:00]  You called it a mistake to go.
[00:20:01]  But what I was wondering at the time, and I don't think you've answered, what on earth were you thinking?
[00:20:08]  Well, as a friend of over a quarter of a century, he's having his 50th birthday.
[00:20:12]  Restaurants were open in the state.
[00:20:14]  I wasn't suggesting people should not eat where I was wrong.
[00:20:17]  And I've owned this and I've held myself to a higher level of accountability, even my worst critics, as there were too many people at the table.
[00:20:24]  And that was a mistake.
[00:20:25]  At the end of the day, though, this recall petition was just pause it right there.
[00:20:29]  Was aided by a judge who.
[00:20:31]  Okay, so I just, I love this stuff.
[00:20:34]  I love the way politicians view the world and just how they'll come out and say it that he goes.
[00:20:39]  So Jake Tapper, you know, rightly asked him, what the hell were you thinking?
[00:20:42]  I mean, I don't, I don't know if you remember, but Gavin Newsom, these are the guys who put out these guidelines for how you can have Thanksgiving and how grandma can go to the bathroom under what conditions.
[00:20:54]  And by the way, you have to eat outside and you can't sing or chant or do this.
[00:20:59]  And, you know, like there has to be, you know, you, you can't have like a serving spoon.
[00:21:04]  Everyone has to have their own spoons.
[00:21:06]  I mean, the type of stuff that he was pushing, my wife reminded me earlier and I had completely forgotten about this, but she was like, wasn't he the guy saying like to take bites with the mask on, just pull the mask down for bites and then do that?
[00:21:17]  And then you see him there, you know, fucking at a fancy restaurant.
[00:21:21]  You know, no one's wearing masks.
[00:21:23]  They're all right on top of each other.
[00:21:25]  So there's just no excuse for it.
[00:21:26]  But it's so funny that the first thing he says is he goes, well, it was a friend of mine for decades and it was his birthday.
[00:21:33]  It's like, yeah, no kidding.
[00:21:35]  Oh, yeah, you wanted to have a human interaction with, no, it's not the issue isn't that we don't understand why a human being would want to be a human being, Governor Newsom.
[00:21:46]  That's not the issue.
[00:21:47]  We know that.
[00:21:48]  And then after he does that.
[00:21:49]  It wouldn't be great if he was just like, we're rich and so we don't have as much exposure to the homeless people we put on your streets.
[00:21:55]  And so we're not concerned with disease in the same way.
[00:21:58]  Yeah, he goes, yeah, listen, normal people are gross.
[00:22:01]  I was hanging out with important people, not you gross normies.
[00:22:05]  I just sit around with a bunch of you.
[00:22:08]  Believe me, if I was, if I was at dinner with the average citizen, I'd have my mask on.
[00:22:12]  Even before COVID, I'd keep my money.
[00:22:14]  Our wives are keeping it in shape.
[00:22:15]  They're not getting sick.
[00:22:17]  Yeah, really.
[00:22:17]  What are you talking about?
[00:22:18]  So, but then he does this thing.
[00:22:20]  It's like this typical politician thing that is just so, it's so the essence of why we normal people hate politicians is that he goes, well, I have held myself accountable and I've taken full responsibility.
[00:22:34]  And he says, I've held myself to an even higher standard than my fiercest critics.
[00:22:40]  It's like, dude, Jake Tapper just mentioned that hundreds of thousands of people have signed a petition for a recall election.
[00:22:48]  Your fiercest critics, I count myself amongst your fiercest critics.
[00:22:53]  I think you should be prosecuted for crimes against humanity.
[00:22:57]  I think you should be, at the very least, removed from the governor's office immediately.
[00:23:02]  So, no, I don't think you've held yourself quite to as high a standard as your fiercest critics.
[00:23:08]  I love it.
[00:23:09]  It reminded me of when Hillary Clinton said when they were grilling her about whether she was sorry for supporting the war in Iraq.
[00:23:16]  And she goes, listen, I don't need to apologize because I've taken responsibility for that war.
[00:23:22]  And it's like, oh, oh, really?
[00:23:23]  You've taken responsibility.
[00:23:25]  What exactly does that mean?
[00:23:26]  Taking responsibility.
[00:23:28]  You're running for president.
[00:23:30]  Have you served 1 million consecutive life sentences in jail?
[00:23:35]  Because that would, you know, that might be taking responsibility for it.
[00:23:39]  It's like, no, you've just tried to get more and more promotions as you've, you know, advocated for more and more wars following the war in Iraq.
[00:23:48]  What was taking responsibility?
[00:23:50]  Destroying Libya?
[00:23:51]  You know, anyway, so that's Governor Newsome right there where it's like, well, listen, I've already, I don't even know why we're still talking about this because I already took responsibility for it.
[00:24:00]  And he's held himself accountable more than his fiercest critics.
[00:24:05]  And, but, you know, Jake Tapper did bring up the fact that, you know, it in a month went from 50,000 signatures to over 500,000 signatures because it seems like people are pretty pissed off that you're doing exactly what you demand the rest of them can't do.
[00:24:22]  And so this, you know, here, let's get into this.
[00:24:24]  Just bring it back a few years.
[00:24:26]  When CNN decides that they want to slam you, they are really good at it.
[00:24:29]  I mean, that's two minutes of just number after number of everything you've done wrong.
[00:24:35]  Asking you a question.
[00:24:36]  The question is, what the hell were you thinking?
[00:24:38]  Yeah.
[00:24:39]  God, how do you even answer that question?
[00:24:41]  Yeah, but it's like when Nancy went on and she was like, wait a second, you guys are supposed to be on my team here.
[00:24:46]  So it's so funny when they turn on you and you're just like.
[00:24:48]  Yeah, but it's also kind of, it's interesting, right, to see like to the point that you were making earlier about like, you know, just kind of questioning like, was this all just politics to get Donald Trump?
[00:25:02]  It is interesting that now that Trump's out, now that the Senate special elections are over and all this shit, now we'll go, hey, what the hell were you thinking?
[00:25:11]  I mean, this dinner was months ago.
[00:25:14]  You know what I'm saying?
[00:25:15]  Like, but now all of a sudden that they have all the political power.
[00:25:19]  Now, you know, guys like Cuomo and Newsom are, they're kind of disposable at this point.
[00:25:25]  I mean, they're not really worried about Republicans taking over New York and California, right?
[00:25:30]  So whatever.
[00:25:31]  These guys are completely disposable at this point.
[00:25:33]  We can do a tiny little bit of journalism now.
[00:25:37]  All right, let's play some more from the clip.
[00:25:42]  I've owned this and I've held myself to a higher level of accountability, even my worst critics, as there were too many people at the table.
[00:25:48]  And that was a mistake.
[00:25:49]  At the end of the day, though, this recall petition was aided not just by that, was aided by a judge who also ultimately doubled the amount of time that they could get this recall.
[00:25:59]  All right, pause it.
[00:26:00]  Whoa, whoa, whoa.
[00:26:02]  A judge gave them more time.
[00:26:05]  Well, that's bullshit.
[00:26:07]  I mean, I know we talk about democracy and how you really want to have the people all have their vote and every vote has to be counted and all of this, but everyone knows you only get a month to recall a governor.
[00:26:20]  And then some dickhead judge gave him another month.
[00:26:25]  Well, fuck those people then.
[00:26:27]  Why the hell do we care about their signatures?
[00:26:29]  Imagine half a million people saying we want you gone from your job, or at least that we want the possibility to vote you out.
[00:26:39]  I have to imagine most people who want a recall election don't want it so they can support the guy who's still in there, right?
[00:26:45]  Is that a reasonable assumption?
[00:26:47]  You probably want the recall election to support someone else.
[00:26:50]  I suppose it's not necessarily 100% true, but for the vast majority, I'd say.
[00:26:55]  But imagine complaining about that.
[00:26:58]  Like how, man, talk about grasping at straws.
[00:27:02]  You're like, well, they gave him too much time.
[00:27:04]  Most of those people shouldn't have even been allowed to sign that thing.
[00:27:08]  They only would have had a few hundred thousand if they had cut them off after a month, you know, 500,000.
[00:27:12]  Yeah, well, sure.
[00:27:13]  If you give them months to think about it, yeah, they're going to want that.
[00:27:17]  Anyway, I just thought that was a good idea.
[00:27:20]  How does a recall vote work?
[00:27:23]  You basically stand for election again.
[00:27:25]  So there's a certain amount of signatures you have to get to force it.
[00:27:28]  And then you have basically like a runoff election.
[00:27:31]  So you, you know, he could be voted out.
[00:27:34]  Do you know how many signatures it is?
[00:27:36]  I don't know offhand, but I believe they ultimately cracked a million.
[00:27:40]  But then they were the governor's office.
[00:27:43]  I think I mentioned this on the show, that they were saying that they wanted to verify the signatures because they were mailed in.
[00:27:49]  Right.
[00:27:49]  So far.
[00:27:51]  Mail-in signatures.
[00:27:52]  Well, that's ripe for potential fraud.
[00:27:56]  All of a sudden, you're like, well, we didn't even verify their addresses.
[00:28:01]  Yeah, I mean, I mean, sure, you could do a presidential election this way, but this is the governorship.
[00:28:06]  This is important stuff.
[00:28:07]  Anyway, so I don't know what the official number is that they're up to right now, but here, let's play the rest of the clip.
[00:28:17]  I received almost $3 million of money, some coming from different parts of the country, not just from the state of California.
[00:28:24]  So at the end of the day, it's complicated as to why this is on, but that's not determinative.
[00:28:30]  So you don't regret going to the dinner.
[00:28:32]  You regret the fact that there were too many people at the table.
[00:28:35]  Like you would have gone if it had been six people or something or four people?
[00:28:41]  Restaurants were open in the vast majority of the state.
[00:28:43]  That's neither here nor there.
[00:28:44]  It was a mistake.
[00:28:44]  And I should have gotten up and left when I sat down at that table and there were too many people at the table.
[00:28:49]  And that was inconsistent with what I was expressing.
[00:28:51]  I've made this crystal clear on ad nauseum occasions.
[00:28:54]  It was a mistake.
[00:28:55]  And I haven't made a mistake like that before or since.
[00:28:58]  And we own that we're human and you have to move on.
[00:29:01]  And I've been moving on doggedly to fight every single day to get our kids back into school, get big people vaccinated and get this economy moving again.
[00:29:11]  All right.
[00:29:12]  So there is more or less your clip.
[00:29:14]  I love the idea that it's like, you know, you have all of these people.
[00:29:19]  That was what is it?
[00:29:20]  I guess it wasn't CNN.
[00:29:21]  It was the NBC reporter who they're pointing people out on the street.
[00:29:24]  Look, this guy's not wearing a mask and all this stuff about the Trump rallies and people not wearing masks and all the demonizing of people.
[00:29:30]  But as soon as it happens to Governor Newsome, it's like, dude, we got to move on.
[00:29:36]  What are we going to do?
[00:29:37]  We're human and we make mistakes, you know, like whatever.
[00:29:41]  Yeah, we all go out to five-star restaurants and have a large gathering and sit real close to each other while we're locking down our state.
[00:29:47]  Sure, things happen.
[00:29:49]  What are we going to do?
[00:29:51]  Have a recall election?
[00:29:52]  This is getting crazy.
[00:29:54]  And I love the comment about how there was money poured into it.
[00:29:57]  It's just all these standards that they love to just apply whenever convenient.
[00:30:01]  Oh, well, there was $3 million that was poured into this recall election.
[00:30:06]  Like, oh, okay, how much did you raise for your campaign to become governor?
[00:30:10]  Oh, all of a sudden, raising money makes something corrupt?
[00:30:14]  Did anyone have how many fucking billionaires contributed to Joe Biden's presidential campaign?
[00:30:19]  Oh, yeah.
[00:30:20]  And there was money coming in from outside of the state.
[00:30:23]  It's funny, you know, like they kind of like demonize this when it's foreign money, but it's a little bit of a different thing when you're just talking about other American citizens.
[00:30:35]  Like, yeah, I don't know.
[00:30:36]  Destroying California kind of affects the rest of the country.
[00:30:40]  So maybe they wanted to pour some money in.
[00:30:43]  And who really cares, right?
[00:30:45]  Who's pouring what amount of money in?
[00:30:47]  What are they doing?
[00:30:49]  They're letting people know that they can sign this petition and people can sign it if they want to.
[00:30:54]  Don't we want as many people's voices heard?
[00:30:57]  What happened to all these people who love democracy so much?
[00:31:00]  All of a sudden, standing for a recall election, this is some big problem.
[00:31:04]  Why shouldn't there just be automatic recall elections?
[00:31:06]  I have elections every year, every month.
[00:31:09]  That would be even more democracy for you fine people.
[00:31:13]  Anyway, I thought it was interesting, kind of like you just alluded to with the Nancy Pelosi one.
[00:31:18]  It's interesting when some of these guys actually stand for even a moderately difficult interview.
[00:31:25]  There's even just a little bit of pushback.
[00:31:27]  And you almost like right away, you get to see how righteous and narcissistic these people are.
[00:31:37]  It's just right away, like you see it right away.
[00:31:40]  Like, oh, I don't know how like they're insulted that you'd even be asking them these questions.
[00:31:48]  Wouldn't it be great if you really got the honest answer?
[00:31:49]  And like, he goes, how are you going to address it?

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[00:31:52]  He goes, well, the person who took that picture has already been shot and killed.
[00:31:55]  And we're implementing voting for all the homeless.
[00:31:58]  I'm letting live on the nicest beaches in the country.
[00:32:01]  So I'll be fine in the next election.
[00:32:05]  I always say these things like, well, I'm trying to get, I'm trying to get the schools open and get the economy moving again and stuff.
[00:32:10]  It's like, I mean, the things you closed?
[00:32:13]  Yeah, really.
[00:32:14]  It's really unbelievable.
[00:32:16]  Like, okay, well, you're not doing a very good job of those things.
[00:32:20]  I don't think that's what you want to be judged on.
[00:32:23]  That would be my guess.
[00:32:25]  So shifting gears a little bit here.
[00:32:29]  Speaking of the media having to walk back and recalibrate a little bit after the tone and the narrative that's been dominant for the last year, the Washington Post, our boys over there, Bezos and company, they had to do a little bit of a correction themselves.
[00:32:51]  So you texted me about this story earlier today, Rob.
[00:32:55]  So why don't you let people know what happened with the Washington Post here?
[00:32:59]  I'm shocked that they got anything wrong, but what is it that they had to correct?
[00:33:03]  So if you remember, people were getting really upset with Donald Trump and the way he was looking into fraud in the election.
[00:33:12]  And one of the stories was that he was trying to drum up evidence to support his claim that there was fraud.
[00:33:19]  And so one of the big incidents that they pointed to is a call that he had with a governor from, no, it wasn't the governor.
[00:33:24]  It was the, was it, it was like the secretary or something, the secretary of state of Georgia, I believe.
[00:33:31]  Right, of Georgia.
[00:33:32]  And you and I at the time pointed out that Donald Trump is slick.
[00:33:35]  And even though he said, find the fraud, he didn't say fabricate fraud.
[00:33:40]  He didn't say create fraud where it doesn't exist.
[00:33:42]  He was pretty slick in his language and saying, I believe a crime was done here.
[00:33:47]  Can you go find the evidence on behalf of the American people?
[00:33:50]  We pointed out that it was very similar to what happened in the Ukraine, where he said, go and he didn't say invent crime.
[00:33:57]  He said, go investigate the crime.
[00:33:59]  Well, it turns out he never, and just to your point here, that he never actually said, you won't get this military aid unless you do this investigation.
[00:34:09]  It was always just kind of very clear that like, this is what I'd like you to do.
[00:34:13]  So we're not even, you know, it's not even to say that there wasn't a quid pro quo of some sense, but that you don't have a smoking gun of evidence that, you know, like I did.
[00:34:23]  And then the Georgia one was even softer where it sounded like he was just saying on behalf of the American people, please.
[00:34:30]  And then it turns out that that line of find the fraud, which was blasted, you know, wasn't even true.
[00:34:36]  And that turned out this part's a little bit unclear to me, but I guess they uncovered the actual audio call and went through it and found out that that was just fabricated or not fabricated.
[00:34:48]  But when you have an anonymous source, it's very easy just to publish the anonymous source and then walk it back.
[00:34:54]  And that's the real question here is the journalistic integrity of publishing things from anonymous sources.
[00:35:00]  Right.
[00:35:01]  So if you're saying it's an honest mistake, then it just happens to be another honest mistake that all go in one direction, which all happens to be in favor of the narrative that they're trying to push.
[00:35:15]  So when this phone call, we talked about it on the show and basically what you just said was one of the main points that we focused on, that it was like, well, if you listen to the audio, at least the audio that was available at the time, it wasn't.
[00:35:28]  There were big things that stood out to me from the phone call.
[00:35:33]  None of them were what the corporate press tried to present.
[00:35:39]  Donald Trump was clearly, you know, like forcing or trying to strong arm, you know, state officials to invent fraudulent, you know, evidence.
[00:35:52]  And he just never said anything like that.
[00:35:55]  It came off, at least just listening to the call, that Donald Trump really believes his own shit, which makes sense to me.
[00:36:03]  I've always thought Donald Trump really believes his own shit.
[00:36:06]  I've said for years on this show that I think Donald Trump would pass a lie detector test with flying colors.
[00:36:11]  Like I don't, I don't, I think Donald Trump believes he is that great and believes there is simply no chance that Joe Biden really got more votes than him.
[00:36:22]  And, you know, if when you're kind of, you know, a somewhat delusional narcissist, the way Donald Trump is, and you're going out to these huge crowds every night who just love and adore you, I think it's very easy to convince yourself that no one loves and adores Joe Biden.
[00:36:37]  They all love me, you know?
[00:36:40]  But the other thing that was really fascinating that was just like, to me, the biggest story of that phone call was just how much Donald Trump had nothing.
[00:36:49]  Like it, you know, it's like you'd even for someone like me, who's been arguing for a long time that all these people are projecting something onto Donald Trump that's not there.
[00:36:59]  And what's really there is what you see.
[00:37:01]  You already know who Donald Trump is and you've known for decades.
[00:37:04]  He's that guy.
[00:37:05]  But it was amazing that you'd think, even I thought, oh, maybe he's got a few tricks up his sleeve or something like that, or maybe he's got somewhat of a strategy of how to, you know, try to win the election through the courts.
[00:37:16]  Then you saw on the tape, he just had nothing.
[00:37:18]  He was just like grasping at straws and he was being Donald Trump.
[00:37:22]  You know, he was like rambling about his crowd sizes and shit.
[00:37:26]  Like you would think this would be a phone call where you're like, okay, this is our last chance.
[00:37:30]  I need you to investigate this county and this county.
[00:37:32]  And I think if we get this and this, we could have a shot in this court of getting this appeal or blah, blah, blah.
[00:37:37]  And it was none of that.
[00:37:38]  It was all just like, you know, we were really tremendous and there was a lot of fraud.
[00:37:43]  And I think not just in Georgia, but all over the place.
[00:37:46]  And I think if you really look at it, we win by millions and millions of votes.
[00:37:50]  And the guy's like, but sir, I don't see any evidence of that.
[00:37:53]  And he's like, okay, well, we disagree on that then.
[00:37:55]  And, you know, but anyway, but so the media ran with this story.
[00:37:59]  And now they're correcting themselves.
[00:38:00]  Hey, they got it wrong.
[00:38:02]  These things were not said on the tape.
[00:38:05]  And yep, whoopsie, we make a little correction.
[00:38:08]  But the thing that I, you know, was thinking about when I saw this story is like, isn't that a convenient little double standard that the corporate press has?
[00:38:18]  They just go, well, we issued a correction.
[00:38:20]  So there you go.
[00:38:22]  Oops, got it wrong.
[00:38:25]  Now, of course, in this war on fake news, where everyone must be deplatformed and kicked off of fucking Facebook or Twitter or YouTube or PayPal or whatever the hell else for the crime of fake news.
[00:38:40]  Well, you, the alternative press, you won't be afforded the same luxury.
[00:38:46]  There is absolutely no instance that I've ever heard of of somebody being banned or demonetized or any of this shit for fake news where they can just go, oh, let me issue a correction.
[00:38:57]  I got that wrong.
[00:39:00]  We're all good now.
[00:39:02]  I get my audience back.
[00:39:03]  I get my platform back.
[00:39:04]  No, no, that's not going to happen for you.
[00:39:06]  It's only the Washington Post and the New York Times and CNN that are able to do that.
[00:39:12]  And then, of course, for all these claims of like election interference that we've had to live through for the last four years, why is this not election interference?
[00:39:26]  I mean, this was about the state of Georgia, where if you recall, there was a pretty big Senate runoff elections or two Senate runoff elections, right?
[00:39:38]  This is like what gave the Democrats control of the Senate were these elections.
[00:39:44]  I mean, this was a major story that they pushed right in the lead up to these to these runoff elections, quite possibly influenced the outcome.
[00:39:54]  I mean, I can't say for sure, but it's certainly plausible.
[00:39:58]  Election interference is defined by if it comes from Russia and helps Donald Trump.
[00:40:04]  Otherwise, it's part of the election process.
[00:40:06]  It's really defined by if it helps Donald Trump.
[00:40:09]  And then we'll just say it came from Russia.
[00:40:10]  You know, like it could come from WikiLeaks too, but what anything, it's really defined, right, as anything that contradicts the narrative of the corporate press.
[00:40:20]  Anything that contradicts that narrative is dangerous fake news.
[00:40:24]  And anything that's that's come out and approved by the establishment, it's like, well, that's news.
[00:40:29]  And of course, sometimes we get it wrong, but that's not fake news.
[00:40:32]  That's just, oh, issue a correction, you know?
[00:40:35]  No, let's issue a correction.
[00:40:37]  Turns out Saddam didn't have weapons of mass destruction.
[00:40:39]  Don't worry, we'll issue a correction about that.
[00:40:42]  But, you know, like Judith Miller and the hacks who pushed the fucking war in Iraq, I mean, they still have jobs.
[00:40:48]  They're still, they don't have to be deplatformed.
[00:40:52]  Anyway, so I thought that was interesting.
[00:40:53]  Once these corrections come, it's very hard to remember or really track the impact that the initial lie had.
[00:40:59]  And so it is pretty easy for them to go, well, it's a one-off and, you know, we're making the correction.
[00:41:04]  It's very hard to like put yourself back in, well, how did that influence everything two or three months ago?
[00:41:09]  Because now it just looks like a small quote.
[00:41:11]  Like it doesn't, it doesn't look that major.
[00:41:13]  It doesn't look like it's that bad of a, but it's like, I don't remember how many newspaper headlines was that published on at the time?
[00:41:19]  What were all the, you know what I mean?
[00:41:20]  It's like, it's funny, I guess, when the mistake is broadcast.
[00:41:25]  And I don't know if this is true, but if it was broadcast for an entire week for hours on end, and then all of a sudden the traction is just like a little blurb on second page disappears after a day.
[00:41:34]  Yeah.
[00:41:35]  Well, and this happens, I mean, this is a small example of it, truthfully.
[00:41:40]  You know what I mean?
[00:41:41]  Like there's, there's far bigger, you know, just journalistic crimes in a sense.
[00:41:49]  But yeah, you're absolutely right.
[00:41:51]  It's, it's like you can make a correction, but if something is being, you know, just like bullhorned into the public for, you know, weeks at a very crucial time, making the correction later really does nothing to resolve that.
[00:42:08]  And of course, you know, as we've talked about for years now, but I mean, you know, the Donald Trump losing Congress or at least losing the House in 2018.
[00:42:19]  I mean, this is, you know, it's impossible to completely measure with 100% accuracy the effect that all of the accusations of him being a Russian asset had, but it'd be impossible to think it didn't have some type of effect.
[00:42:36]  This was literally what was blasted every single day to the American people for the previous two years.
[00:42:43]  And with people like, you know, the Speaker of the House and the head of the House Intelligence Committee and, you know, all of these, you know, high-ranking people, former CIA directors telling you there is all of this evidence.
[00:42:59]  You just haven't seen it yet.
[00:43:00]  The only reason you haven't seen it yet is because Mueller's waiting to have the case completely locked down.
[00:43:05]  But there's all of this evidence.
[00:43:07]  And so reasonably, a lot of people go, well, they wouldn't be saying that if there wasn't something to it.
[00:43:13]  Now, how many votes did that peel away?
[00:43:15]  Who knows?
[00:43:16]  But it's not nothing.
[00:43:18]  The answer isn't nothing.
[00:43:20]  And then we find out not only that Mueller isn't delivering this devastating case, but actually that he says, no, there was none of this evidence.
[00:43:27]  There was, we, we concluded that there was no evidence that that Donald Trump was in bed with Russia, involved in any conspiracy with Russia.

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[00:43:36]  And then if you want to take it one step further, there's really not very much evidence that Russia even interfered in the election in any meaningful way.
[00:43:45]  But anyway, regardless of that, that was just one of the things I was thinking about with fake news, fake news, election interference, all very convenient terms that are applicable when advantageous.
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[00:46:06]  All right.
[00:46:06]  So what do we, there are a couple other things that we want to talk about.
[00:46:09]  I know you wanted to talk a little bit about Joe Biden's having a little bit of a border controversy of his own, which is kind of interesting to keep our eyes on.
[00:46:20]  He was briefly asked about that as he was walking to the helicopter or something the other day.
[00:46:28]  I think to me, the biggest thing that's just being overlooked with the border, it's kind of like government debt.
[00:46:33]  They're just ignoring it and they're hoping that, I don't know, at some point we're going to have to make some tough decisions.
[00:46:38]  What's going on at the border?
[00:46:40]  I don't know what goes like there are the country needs to make some tough choices and it's not reflective of what anyone wants to have to see in the media.
[00:46:50]  No one wants to see kids being mistreated.
[00:46:51]  No one wants to see kids and people in pet.
[00:46:54]  No one wants to see any of this.
[00:46:55]  And they particularly don't want this, you know, your people on the left who want to say, hey, we can take care of everything and we can care for everyone.
[00:47:03]  It kind of catches them in the lie of like, no, the universe is a little bit harsher than that and we have to confront some reality here.
[00:47:11]  And this is a particular issue where we need to confront it because people are going to be really upset at you over shifting voting demographics.
[00:47:18]  Or the point is they don't want any coverage of it whatsoever because they don't want to look bad or get caught in this lie that we can't just provide for everybody and that we don't have enough resources to handle everything.
[00:47:29]  What I saw, which is particularly scary to me, is that I think they're trying to change laws, not just on children crossing the border, but and I think did I just get, okay, you got lost there for a second.
[00:47:45]  Okay.
[00:47:45]  Oh, yeah, you seem good.
[00:47:46]  No, I just decided to stutter for a few minutes.
[00:47:51]  I don't know.
[00:47:52]  And we're going to have to look into what the policy is.
[00:47:55]  If a kid gets over the border now alone, if they're being reunited with their parents on this side with a pathway to citizenship, the numbers of kids crossing solo, that's a question.
[00:48:05]  I'm not saying I know how they're handling that, but there's like 500 kids a day right now that are crossing the border and the number's growing.
[00:48:12]  It's like up from 300, two months ago, which means at the end of the year, I mean, if it's 500, I think it's 500 a day.
[00:48:20]  I mean, that's a massive number.
[00:48:21]  That's a couple hundred thousand people a year, which means if you're reuniting them with their families, you're looking at possibly a million people with a pathway to citizenship annually.
[00:48:30]  And that number is only going up if you're continuing to accept people.
[00:48:34]  And that's on the assumptive side that they're actually handling these people in an okay way.
[00:48:40]  But Biden's trying to shut it down.
[00:48:42]  He doesn't want any media footage coming from the border.
[00:48:44]  He doesn't want any reports on it.
[00:48:46]  You want to talk about that representative free country that we live in with media access that we can scrutinize when government's messing up.
[00:48:54]  They're shutting it down.
[00:48:55]  Yeah.
[00:48:56]  Well, it's really interesting that you made the comparison to government debt, just the way it's used and the way it's covered and ignored and how no one really has an answer for it.
[00:49:06]  I haven't thought of that before, but that's an interesting way to view it.
[00:49:11]  And certainly in the same way that the Republicans liked to use government debt as a tool to bash Obama with, but then as soon as they get into power, like, ah, yeah, we really don't actually have any answer for what we're going to do about this.
[00:49:25]  We don't really have the stomach to deal with it.
[00:49:28]  So we'll just kind of forget about it now.
[00:49:31]  There's, you know, because Donald Trump made immigration the central point of his campaign in 2016.
[00:49:40]  And because he was so hated by the establishment for an assortment of reasons that we've talked about ad nauseum, they really used this as a like, well, look how brutal this is.
[00:49:54]  I mean, you want to talk about all this immigration stuff.
[00:49:56]  Well, here's what you're going to be dealing with, kids in cages, you know?
[00:50:00]  And I have been saying for years that, look, I think that this issue is actually a lot more complicated than most people want to acknowledge.
[00:50:12]  And I've said that even to libertarians, that this is there.
[00:50:16]  There are a lot of moving parts to this conversation.
[00:50:19]  And of course, it's horrible.
[00:50:21]  That's awful.
[00:50:22]  See, these children who go on this, you know, the truth is that the children cages stuff, like them being locked up is awful.
[00:50:30]  It's heart-wrenching.
[00:50:31]  But I'm not even sure that's the most heart-wrenching part of the story for these children.
[00:50:35]  A lot of these children, the journey that they had to make and the country that they had to grow up in might be the more heart-wrenching part of the story.
[00:50:43]  It's just, there's a lot of awful to go around here.
[00:50:46]  Okay.
[00:50:48]  And I remember reading about this during the election toward the end, like during the debates and stuff when this would come up.
[00:50:56]  But so when you'd look into it and read about it, you'd see, okay, well, there's, you know, there's a few hundred kids being held here at this facility.
[00:51:05]  They've located like 70% of their parents and they don't want them back.
[00:51:12]  They're like, we don't want to take them back.
[00:51:15]  So what are you going to do now?
[00:51:16]  Now, what do you do with these kids?
[00:51:18]  Like, I don't know.
[00:51:20]  Now, hopefully we could find a more humane answer, but I don't know exactly what it is.
[00:51:24]  And the truth is that a lot of people, you know, on, you know, the left are not really comfortable saying, or even on the Democratic side, the more progressives, they're not really comfortable saying, I'm for open borders.
[00:51:39]  They don't want to say that because it's, first off, it's a very unpopular position.
[00:51:43]  And second off, it's, there's going to be some follow-up questions to that that they don't really have answers to, particularly right now in this COVID time when they're the COVID hysterics.
[00:51:52]  Like you want open borders in the middle of a pandemic when you don't even want people to be able to send their kids to school.
[00:51:59]  Like it just doesn't make any sense.
[00:52:01]  But it's also just that most people, if they think about what open borders under current situations would look like, they're like, but aren't people just going to flood into our country at record numbers?
[00:52:11]  How do we do deal with that?
[00:52:14]  How do we them all into this country?
[00:52:16]  How do we afford that?
[00:52:17]  You know, there's like a lot of questions that people are going to ask and they don't really have any answers to this.
[00:52:22]  And then if you're just going in the direction of saying like, well, we should have a less intolerant immigration system.
[00:52:31]  We should have a softer immigration system.
[00:52:34]  We should allow more people in than we do.
[00:52:37]  We shouldn't be holding people in cages and stuff like this.
[00:52:41]  Like, okay.
[00:52:43]  But then what are you going to do?
[00:52:45]  What's your plan?
[00:52:46]  I mean, what is it?
[00:52:47]  I mean, I don't know, 2020, you know, immigration numbers were probably all different.
[00:52:51]  But in general, we've been letting about a million people a year in legally.
[00:52:56]  So like, what number do you think it should be?
[00:52:58]  Do you think it should be 2 million or 5 million?
[00:53:01]  It's like, okay, well, if anything short of open borders, if you set a number, like we'll let 5 million, well, what do you do to the 5 million and one, you know, and first person who comes in?
[00:53:14]  What do you do to them?
[00:53:16]  You just ask them nicely?
[00:53:17]  I mean, and there's just like, there's a whole bunch of really difficult problems that come along with this.
[00:53:24]  Now, ideally, the solution to immigration, as I've said many times, would be something like, you know, end the welfare state, end the war on drugs, you know, privatize everything if you can.
[00:53:34]  That'll solve the immigration issue.
[00:53:38]  But under current situations, with everything else the way it is, one of the problems that you have is that the softer you are on immigration enforcement, the more it incentivizes immigration.
[00:53:54]  So if you were to say, okay, there are, you know, children who come here just aren't going to be held in facilities at all.
[00:54:02]  We can't do that.
[00:54:03]  It's wrong.
[00:54:04]  So if you're with a child, you get to just come into the country.
[00:54:08]  What do you think the result of that's going to be?
[00:54:10]  That you will have a drastic increase in the number of children who are making this journey.
[00:54:17]  A whole bunch of them die on, get raped on, get abused on.
[00:54:21]  I mean, really, really horrific, heart-wrenching stuff.
[00:54:24]  And so if you say everyone, and one of the other major problems that they have, right, is a huge portion of the people who come over with children and are like, these are my kids turn out not to be their parents.
[00:54:33]  They turn out just to be somebody who like, you know, either kidnapped a kid or bribed the parents or is, you know, escorting them up or whatever the situation is, right?
[00:54:43]  So now that's just, I mean, incentives matter.
[00:54:46]  And if you say that we're just not holding children and they're going to be allowed in, well, now everyone who wants to sneak into the country has just got like you're telling them, go get a kid.
[00:54:56]  Go get you can come in.
[00:54:58]  And that's a real problem too.
[00:55:00]  And so it's a it's a real problem.
[00:55:02]  It's like having a border.
[00:55:03]  You just got to kidnap a kid.
[00:55:04]  You get over the border.
[00:55:06]  Right.
[00:55:07]  Modern day green card.
[00:55:08]  Yeah.
[00:55:09]  It says there's so the thing is that this was a really good issue.
[00:55:16]  for Derek to bash Trump over the head with.
[00:55:19]  But now they're in there and they really don't have any answer to this.
[00:55:23]  It does.
[00:55:23]  It reminds me a lot of, you know, now that you mention it, of comparing it to the debt or Obamacare when Obama was in.
[00:55:30]  But all of a sudden they get in now and they're like, yeah, you know what?
[00:55:32]  We're just, we're going to live with the debt and Obamacare because we don't actually have any like realistic plan to deal with this.
[00:55:40]  And it is actually going to be very, very messy.
[00:55:44]  So now, don't get me wrong.
[00:55:46]  I would like to see something done.
[00:55:47]  I'd like to see something done on the debt.
[00:55:49]  I'd like to see something done on Obamacare and on immigration.

=== True Believers And Useful Idiots (01:29) ===

[00:55:52]  But it's interesting.
[00:55:54]  And one of the dynamics that is starting to happen, at least I see a bit of it online, is that, you know, oftentimes the useful idiots are true believers.
[00:56:07]  So the people who are being used by powerful forces because they are helpful to them often really believe the shit that they're saying.
[00:56:16]  And a lot of the people who were bashing Trump over his immigration policies, a lot of these progressives really believed that stuff.
[00:56:22]  And now they're seeing Joe Biden has the exact same problem.
[00:56:26]  And they're, you know, they're not so pleased with him.
[00:56:30]  So it'll be interesting to see how much anger is generated from the left against Biden over this issue that was, you know, before COVID, really their central issue that they were getting so worked up about.
[00:56:47]  So that'll be interesting to keep our eyes on.
[00:56:50]  We do have to wrap up there.
[00:56:53]  I apologize for wrapping up a few minutes short.
[00:56:55]  We'll go a few minutes long on the next one.
[00:56:57]  We got the plugs in early.
[00:56:58]  So we got the plugs in early.
[00:57:00]  We really got nothing to stick around for.
[00:57:02]  But I'll give you a few minutes extra on the next one.
[00:57:04]  So we're all even Steven.
[00:57:05]  All right.
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