Peter Quinones critiques the shift from theoretical libertarianism to confronting reality, arguing that progressives enforce conformity through cancel culture and mask mandates while ignoring scientific evidence. He contrasts this with the post-9/11 right's embrace of authoritarian nationalism, noting how both sides manipulate narratives rather than engaging in logic. Quinones highlights systemic failures like unaffordable housing and flawed policing models, proposing solutions such as ending drug prohibition and privatizing roads. Ultimately, his upcoming documentary "America's Police Crisis" aims to present balanced solutions prioritizing human safety over racial or ideological divides. [Automatically generated summary]
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America's Next Enemy00:15:19
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Hey, what's up, everybody?
Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem.
Very happy to be joined today by the great Pete Quinones.
Of course, listeners of the show know Pete, but if you're not familiar with Pete, he's a writer and a filmmaker, political commentator, libertarian philosopher, and you may know his stuff from the Libertarian Institute.
Of course, The Monopoly on Violence was the documentary that he put out last year.
I was honored to be a part of that, which is available right now on Amazon.
If you haven't gotten it, please go grab it.
It was really, really excellent, really well done, anarchist libertarian documentary, which you almost couldn't believe like a great one wasn't out there already.
So it was really quite a contribution.
He's got another documentary project coming up that we're going to talk about today.
You can also find his writing on Substack, petequinonez.substack.com.
Pete, what's up, my brother?
Good to be back, Dave.
Good to be back.
Had you on recently, and that was a, I mean, James Corbett promoted that episode.
Oh, yeah, I saw that.
That was pretty cool.
Well, we got we got the attention of the world's leading white Japanese conspiracy theorists and James Corbett.
So that's chalk that off the bucket list.
Yeah, he's pretty awesome.
So good to be here, man.
Absolutely.
So I wanted, you know, one of the things I've really enjoyed about your writing, you know, I really started reading your substack regularly over the last, you know, maybe over the last six months or something like that.
But one of the things that I really enjoyed about it was that it seemed like over the last year, you've really been grappling with the situation we're living through.
And one of the things that just gets me so frustrated about people in our broader space in the libertarian world is when they're so wedded to ideology that what's happening around them isn't even really that relevant because we've already got all of the answers.
And so what could happen that would make you rethink any of your previous conclusions or anything like that?
And it would be like, you know, I remember looking, you know, it'd be like around like May or June of last year.
And, you know, the Libertarian Party would be putting out a tweet about civil asset forfeiture.
Now, you know, nobody's more against civil asset forfeiture than me and you are, but it's just like, hey, guys, like, are we just, are we pretending what's going on in the world isn't happening?
Or in the middle of the, you know, the crazy riots, you know, they're just like, you know, police brutality is wrong.
And you're like, yeah, yeah, no, I know.
I know that this is what was on our talking points last year, but let's deal with what's going on in front of us.
And it seemed like you were always grappling with what's actually happening in reality.
And that was just refreshing to me.
Well, I was kind of embarrassed around April of last year.
Well, March of last year, because I realized that my whole podcast up until that point, I mean, over 400 episodes was basically about theory.
And when this started, when I realized that like, not only was the government going to do this, but that most of the population was just going to succumb to it.
I was just like, this is insane.
And I started like examining the way I talked.
You know, it's like if I, if I wanted to talk about something political, I'd always be like, well, you know, I'm a libertarian.
And then it just was like, I'm not going to qualify anything anymore.
If I'm going to have an opinion about something that's happening, why do I have to say, oh, well, you know, I know I'm a libertarian, but the government should be doing, you know, maybe the government should do this.
And it was really embarrassing.
But I think that right off the bat in the middle of March, myself and my friend Vin Armani started talking and we started looking at this.
And we just, we predicted so much of what happened.
And we knew what was going to happen.
And we underestimated a lot of it.
You know, I said, oh, by July, this will, you know, most of this will be over, but by July, half the country will still be wearing masks.
I didn't realize in July, like 100% of the country was still going to be wearing masks.
By this July.
I mean, it's ridiculous.
It's just insane.
You know, masks for an upper respiratory disease.
Great.
You know, then I go to New York and I meet Gene Epson.
You know, well, not meet Gene Epstein, but I'm hanging out with Gene Epstein.
He's like, here, here's a world-renowned epidemiologist named Knut Witkowski.
And I asked him about the masks.
He's like, the mask is ridiculous.
Why is anybody doing this and everything?
It just, I had to change everything.
I had to change my thinking.
I had to change my approach.
And, you know, I realize that talking about theory all the time is great, but I mean, we're not going to have an Kapistan tomorrow.
So maybe I need to start talking about what's happening with the culture because let's face it, the only reason this, this was allowed to happen is because the culture is just mindless, spineless, ready to bend over and basically are willing to welcome the technocracy.
I mean, they're willing to say, okay, there are experts.
I can never know this.
You know, everyone on TV is saying, don't use Dr. Google to look everything up.
Just trust whoever is on the news telling you all this.
And I'm just like, screw all this, man.
We got to figure out a way past this.
And, you know, I started writing stuff that, you know, there was a couple of things I started writing that Scott really didn't want on Libertarian Institute.
So I started a sub stack.
And yeah, a lot of people are really into that now, too.
So.
Yeah, that's great.
And I, you know, I think that for a lot of us, it's, it's beneficial to, you know, read and hear out people who are outside of our circles and see what we can gain from them, like what insights they have.
I mean, this is nothing new.
Like we've all benefited from reading, you know, Noam Chomsky or something.
You know, like there's, there's always just different schools of thought that maybe won't change our minds about our core fundamental beliefs, but certainly can add to it.
And one of the things I remember talking about with you, I can't remember if it was on your show or my show or what it was on, but we were, we were talking about one time, I think this was sometime last year, where we were saying, you know, one of the real problems that libertarians have is that we're sitting here in this world of logic and theory.
And we are almost projecting our own logical sensibilities onto others.
And, you know, it's like, I think I said that I go, you know, how many libertarians have had the experience where they're arguing with somebody and they're like, ha, I got you in a logical contradiction.
You are guilty of hypocrisy because you just contradicted yourself on X, Y, or Z.
And you feel like, ha, that's it.
I won.
And you're projecting your own thing because this would keep you up at night if you were logically inconsistent.
But it doesn't.
It has no effect on them.
And they don't care.
That's not what they're in this for.
And I was listening to, I think it was, I can't remember who it was, but listening to Curtis Yarvin.
And one of the things, and I know the people who will get their panties in a bunch already, like, how dare you?
You know, how dare you gain something useful from a right-winger or something.
But he was talking about.
Like one of the greatest political minds alive, right?
Right.
Right.
Somebody who understands political power and political force better than anyone on the planet.
Okay, sure.
Yeah.
And I listen to him.
It's like, oh, he's not a libertarian anymore.
So he can't have anything to add, you know, to the conversation.
I mean, that's just silly.
But one of the things he was talking about that really hit home with me was what the progressive mindset offers the average person.
And it's not offering them, hey, you get to feel logically consistent.
Like that doesn't do it for most people.
What it's offering them is you are a part of this greater thing.
You are fighting this revolution.
You are the good guy in the movie.
You know, like this is part of the reason why people got so, because what brought this up in my mind just now is when you were talking about the mindset of the people in this culture who were so willing to give everything over, every inch of freedom.
And it's because they get to be the, hey, I'm listening to the science and I'm the really smart guy and I understand what needs to happen here.
And I know these idiot Trump supporters don't believe in science, but I really do believe in science.
Or the Black Lives Matter thing, you know, as Curtis Yarbin said, it's like it gives some, you know, some housewife this great purpose in life, you know?
And it's almost like we, if we don't grapple with that, we're not going to get anywhere.
And I'm not even putting this forward like I have the answers to how to grapple with it.
But if we want to win, it's almost like we have to offer them something of more value than just you get to be logically consistent because that just doesn't seem to do it for most people.
Well, if logic and reason are not going to be adhered to anymore, if people have no interest in it, then the only thing that they seem to be interested in is a narrative.
Somebody has constructed a narrative.
They've bought into it.
And the only way to defeat that narrative is to come up with a better narrative.
And I think that the problem with libertarianism has is they think that that narrative has to have logic and consistency in it.
And obviously that's not going to work.
You're just going to have to come up with a narrative like the founding fathers.
We hold these truths to be self-evident.
Creator.
Okay.
So the Declaration of Independence was about magic.
They're talking about a creator.
I mean, where's the logic and consistency in that?
And there's so many libertarians who invoke the founding fathers.
I mean, well, they, what did they do to what was their declaration of independence to the king?
Oh, you know, there's this, there's this whatever in the sky and he, and he, she, it, whatever is telling us, you know, hey, you guys should be free of this.
You should be doing your own thing.
I mean, maybe we just need a better narrative.
And there's, there's the rub.
There's the rub.
How do you come up with a better narrative?
I mean, these people think, you know, it's like, it's like Curtis said, these people think they're fighting the, they're part of the French resistance and they're fighting Nazis in 1941.
You know, so how do you defeat that?
I mean, when you think about that, when you take it from that, okay, they think they're the French resistance and they're fighting Nazis in 1941.
Okay.
What better narrative?
What narrative do you come up with to defeat that?
Yeah.
No, that's a great point.
And it's really funny when you think about the Declaration of Independence, which of course is like, you know, the greatest document ever written.
It's, but yeah, they just start off by saying it's self-evident.
They don't even like get into like, here's the argument.
Here's the argument of why God wants us all to be free.
It's just like, we're starting with that as obvious.
No need for further conversation on that.
We're not even, that's not up for debate.
Non-negotiable.
God wants us all to be free.
And there is, I got to say, there's something powerful in that.
I mean, I don't even like necessarily disagree with it, but you can't prove it logically.
It's not self-evident at all.
I mean, like, you look at the history of humanity, it seems fairly self-evident.
God will put up with a whole lot of tyranny, actually.
But, you know, whatever.
We're just saying it's self-evident the opposite.
And that's that.
And come take my fucking tea tax from me, you dirty Brit.
You know, and like that's so, so it is, there is something really powerful about that.
And we have to realize that people don't, you know, they don't vote on economic policy.
They don't vote on, you know, economic theory as much as we might wish that they did.
And if they did, we probably would have won this battle long ago.
But people vote for cultural reasons and for narrative reasons.
And that's just, you know, we got to start playing in that game if we're going to have the impact that we want to.
Sure.
And the people who've bought into the narrative that, you know, they're in the French resistance, they're fighting Nazis.
I don't really think that we can reach them.
The only people that we can reach are the people who are like, what the hell?
What the hell is going on?
And we have to give them a narrative.
And I'm telling you, man, you know, Vin and I have talked about this a lot.
And it's like that narrative of 1776 of, you know, we hold these truths to be self-evident.
We, you know, God has given us this.
I mean, how many people on the Trump train, you know, were like, you know, God has given us Trump.
Well, I mean, if they're willing to accept that, if that's their narrative, then I mean, we can go back to that 1776 narrative and just say, hey, the enemy is right here.
And the enemy is not, you know, the enemy in 1776 was 3,000 miles away.
Sure, they had some cops here that we decided to shoot and kill.
And they sent more cops.
But the enemy is here.
So what are we going to do?
And really, when it comes down to it is, I think that 1776 break away because these truths are self-evident that we cannot live with these people anymore because we believe in actual liberty.
I mean, that may be the way forward.
I'm not 100% sure, but at least I'm thinking about it.
I don't hear a lot of other people talking about what the friggin solutions are right now.
Yeah, I think it's there's speaking of this kind of idea of the magic, you know, of all of it, there's something to me.
Obviously, this is, you know, I'm sure you were pleased to hear that yesterday, the governor of Texas announced it's over.
You know, it's, and there's something so interesting about this because it almost does feel like it's just this magic, which is what, you know, government is kind of in a way.
It's just, you know, the idea of potions.
I write this down and other people voted on it.
And boom, this isn't just words on a paper anymore.
This is law, you know, and like these things that aren't just kind of made up.
The only reality is whether they have the power to enforce that or not.
But so the, you know, you have Joe Biden.
He's given a speech the other day and he's like, well, I'm hoping that a year from now we'll be back to normal, but I don't know.
And it depends on X, Y, and Z.
And then a governor in Texas just went, no, now, not because of any numbers, not because of anything you can prove on a piece of paper.
He just said, no, no, we're, we're done.
That's it.
No more lockdowns, no more mask mandates.
We're back to normal now.
And I just wonder what type of effect this has, particularly seeing, you know, the examples like Florida versus California or Sweden versus Spain or any of these examples where you can go like, yeah, you, you really can just have politicians just decide we're not participating in this global delusion anymore.
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We're not doing it anymore.
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Well, Governor Kemp here only mandated 10 days, and that was back in April of last year.
And once it ended, certain restaurants just opened right back up.
I mean, Tom came up here the last week of April.
Tom and I went out to lunch May 1st of last year and sat in a restaurant here.
So, I mean, we've been open pretty much the whole time.
I mean, there are some restaurants that haven't opened mostly in really, really progressive areas.
And most of them aren't at 100%.
But, you know, we haven't seen the numbers here.
I mean, the CDC is right here.
I mean, I live five miles from the CDC.
We don't hear about Georgia numbers.
And then when you do hear about Georgia numbers, they're really, I mean, they're better than New York and better than states that have locked down.
And California has some of the lowest numbers, if you believe the numbers.
But yeah, man, it's like, okay, so the governor says it's okay.
Well, what if like 10,000 people decided to say it was okay?
My friend Karen Keener is up in Utah.
Utah has the National Guard surrounding the statehouse today.
The National Guard is you can't.
And it's like people have been like, okay, if I walk in there, are you going to stop me?
And these National Guardsmen won't say no.
They won't answer the question.
And what they've been doing is they've been taking their freedom cell.
And like on Saturday mornings, they've been going to the supermarkets that have like mask mandates and they've just been walking in there en masse, maskless and shopping.
What are you going to do?
There's strength in numbers.
There's power in numbers.
I mean, Texas could have ended this long ago, but come on, man.
It's ridiculous.
People just, people are lost.
They live in such fear.
And, you know, when you take into consideration what the boomers have done to us, I mean, I put this thing up on Twitter yesterday that it was a picture of a social security card.
And I said, I'm going to, and on it is, I'm going to tell my kids that this is the boomer version of the pocket constitution, because really for their social, for social security, for their, you know, for their safety, they basically destroyed everything.
And it's going to come back to, it has to come down to the people.
I mean, if California could be open right now, at least Northern California could be open right now, because Northern California is more like screw you kind of place.
It's just you've said it so many times, man.
And it's a great way to look at it that people like sat at home and watched TV and waited for their governor to tell them what to do.
And it's like, this is, this is the place that in 1776 took up guns and shot cops.
I don't, I mean, I don't recognize what this is.
Yeah, it's look, it's interesting, you know, talking about the boomers and they're, I heard Jeff Dice recently, I think he was on the Babylon B podcast.
And he was saying a thing, really kind of struck me in a certain way, where he was saying that basically the boomer narrative has always been to suit their generation.
Like they were the generation when they were 25 that said, don't trust anyone over 30.
And then when they got over 30, that all went away.
And then when they're getting ready to retire, the narrative is like, can't talk about entitlements.
That's the third rail, you know, and all this stuff.
And now that they were at the higher risk, you know, demographic, the whole narrative was about how the young people are so awful.
And the narrative for a while has been about how the, you know, the Zoomers and the, you know, the millennials are all these awful kind of selfish people.
And I just, you know, I look at the baby boomer generation and I understand I'm speaking in broad strokes here and that really what they did was just support Democrats and Republicans.
I mean, really, that's their crime.
But could you imagine?
I mean, this generation inherited the richest, you know, inheritance in human history and passed on to the next generation this completely unattainable system where you, I mean, you know, young people today have no chance.
I mean, just for the most part, like no, and I'm not saying that, look, there's material wealth and technology and all of that, but I'm saying like the idea of like starting a family and owning a house for most 25 year olds today is completely out of reach.
I mean, you're sitting there like you work at Starbucks and you got 100K in debt and the houses are going for $700,000 and you're just like, what?
I mean, how, how would you ever be in a position to own a home, you know, provide for your wife and children, you know, pay for the health care and the college costs of your kids?
I mean, it's just like, it's completely out of reach.
And how would you not, I mean, speaking as someone who's got a young daughter, I mean, if I handed that world off to my daughter, that was so much worse in so many of these fundamental ways than what I had.
I just don't know how I would look at my generation with anything but disgust.
And yet the boomers look at everyone else with disgust.
You know, they judge their parents' generation because they were so racist and closed-minded and, you know, like they were so oppressive to them.
Then they judge the younger generation for, you know, their avocado toast or whatever.
Or, oh my God, last year when it got warm, they were going to the beach.
Remember all the demonization?
Oh my God, that's the real villain in society.
Some 20-year-old who wanted to hang with their friends, who's been locked in their house for six months and wants to get out.
By the way, doing the safest thing you could possibly do for COVID, go to the beach.
But no, no hesitation to demonize them.
I mean, like the boomers really, like they, they got to look in the mirror and be like, hey, what did you guys do here?
What did you do to this country?
Well, and we can talk about how people have bought into this whole pandemic thing, like hook line and sinker and just were like, well, I'm doing my part.
You know, it's like their own version of Storming the Beach at Normandy.
They're fighting their own war here.
But let's remember that the boomers bought into the military industrial complex, which they were warned about from a five-star general.
I mean, a hero of World War II warned them about it.
They bought into the Cold War, you know, that Russia wanted to come over here and kill us.
They bought into Vietnam.
People don't remember that Vietnam was a wildly popular war and/sorry.
That all it was only in the later years that people started speaking up against it.
They go off, go off the gold standard, and then they buy into the fact that all of your wealth is going to be housing in your house and just lean into that 100% to the to the detriment of everyone else.
And then when housing gets absolutely destroyed in 2008, who do they blame it on?
They blame it on like the younger generation.
They start talking about like the whole avocado toast thing and everything.
And then if you, you know, if somebody takes a knee during the national anthem, they cry like a friggin little, you know, like the millennials that they're making fun of.
I mean, they're the worst generation ever.
And I hate to be a collectivist, but you know, I don't care.
I don't care about this libertarian bullshit anymore where you can't talk about groups.
There are fucking groups out there.
And these groups have, they all think the same way.
They're promoting an ideology.
And the boomers are some of the worst of them.
And then just come forward to the progressives, which the boomers allowed to, you know, when you talked about it on your last show, they allowed post-9/11 to happen, which gives rise to this progressive movement and the housing and everything.
And just, yeah, I'm sorry.
It's hard for me not to blame them.
No, I agree.
And look, I mean, it's again, of course, it's not to say that there aren't exceptions to the rule, but you have to be able to talk about patterns if you want to recognize reality at all.
And it's funny to also even see, like, there really is.
Look, if you look at the political class, they refuse to pass the baton.
I mean, Obama's kind of the exception.
Like, he got in there, but basically, they got fucking Joe Biden running for president again.
They got Nancy Pelosi still in the speaker of the house and Chuck Schumer as the lead.
Like they, like, they, even the ruling elite won't pass it on to the next generation.
They just feel like they should be, you know, whatever.
70 is the new 50.
And so we'll just keep wielding this power.
And yeah, in there, when they really took over the country in their, you know, like age where they were really the age group in control, they gave us, you know, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and Bush again.
And that, you know, like, I don't know what you can say about that.
How can someone not hold some responsibility for this?
And so those people, like you said, that they accepted the idea that they were going to gain all this value from their homes.
And there seemed to be no concern at all.
You know, I know.
So, you know, like I lived in an area, like a nice part of Brooklyn that, you know, completely transformed.
I mean, Brooklyn is just not, you know, like when you say the word Brooklyn today, people are thinking like hipster, ultra left wing, like sensitive, you know, whatever, whatever the fuck is.
When I was a kid, yeah, Brooklyn to me feels like, you know, like a whole different thing, like a gritty, tough area, like hard people.
Like that's, that's all completely been changed.
And the housing prices were very related to this.
But I, I know where, you know, I know people who lived through this and it's like, yeah, you had a house that you bought for $100,000 and it's worth $500,000 now.
Well, okay, that might feel great, but these people were parents.
They had children.
How did any of them not stop around and go, but wait a minute?
I mean, this is nice for my bottom line, but what does this do for my child's ability to ever buy a house?
I mean, like I'm, I'm doing very well right now.
And I would have to max myself out, stretch myself crazy thin to buy a house in the neighborhood I grew up in.
And that's like the people who lived there back then, they weren't like people who came from old money or said, you know, had a job, had a good job.
Like, I mean, you wouldn't, you needed a job.
You weren't going to own a house there if you didn't have a decent job.
But like, that was it.
It was like, you know, families and that nowadays, you got to be a millionaire to live in Park Slope, Brooklyn, or to live in like one of these places.
This is, how could you not feel just like terrible about passing this on to your children?
And then, and the connection here, right, is that the idea that over this last year, there's been people who are like, you know, I could, I just could never imagine being 73 or 82 or 69 or whatever, you know, and thinking to myself, for my safety, I will rob a year of my grandchildren's life for my say, I mean, my attitude at that age, my attitude at this age right now would be, hey,
I've had a run, you know, like I've had a life.
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I'm not taking anything away from the next generation, you know, and it's just unbelievable.
This is, you know, people have for thousands of years, generations have really sacrificed for their children to have a better life for the next generation to have a better shot at it.
And these people won't even, you know, self-quarantine.
Like they're, they're insisting we all do it.
The things I want to say about this people will get this kicked off of YouTube, but so I've been saying a lot recently that when I go out in public and especially in the supermarket and I see a toddler wearing a mask, it makes me believe that almost like they're trying to legitimize child abuse in some way.
I mean, that's child abuse.
A child, or how about a child not being able to see a human's face?
I mean, you've seen these videos of people, they go to take the mask off and like the child starts screaming.
You know, it's like you're not supposed to have that.
I mean, think about a child in March or April of last year who was just becoming conscious of the world around them.
What the hell is what picture of the world do they have right now?
That people are scared, that people don't are scared to get sick.
I mean, of a virus that what?
I mean, I've been around people.
I've been in the same room.
I've been in the same car as somebody with it, hacking, going.
I mean, there was a point where I tried to get this thing.
I just wanted to get it and get past it and get over it.
I didn't get it.
I mean, I don't know what that means.
I don't know what it means that I can't get it, but there's a lot of people who are just never going to get this thing.
And the whole world gets stopped.
And then you look at young children, like, you know, the future.
I mean, these kids are scarred.
I mean, what is it going to be like for them?
I do.
It's, I'll tell you, man, my friend Vin moved to an island in the middle of the Pacific in April, first week in April.
I think he made the made one of the best choices I've ever heard.
I mean, he moved to an island where it's like, it's dominated by a native culture and they're not buying into any of this and everything.
And he's getting to raise his new, his child that he had.
I think they had him, had her in February of last year and their other two or three year old in a world that isn't buying into this.
Man, it's amazing to me.
It's, I thought about it so many times, man.
Just get the hell out of here.
I mean, Americans and people in the West, you know, people, you want to talk about, remember the run up to 2016, and then you have all these alt writers talking about the West, the death of the West.
I mean, frigging a Pat Buchanan book, the death of, you know, what has the West shown us?
It's a bunch of cowards who are scared of a friggin virus that kills what, 0.01% of the people who get it.
And most of those people are over, what?
75, 80?
Is this culture worth saving?
I mean, is the West worth saving?
I mean, I don't know.
I mean, think about, and then, you know, I had Clint from Liberty Lockdown on and that guy is so good, man.
He started.
Yeah, he's great.
Oh, yeah.
I just found him recently.
I was watching one of his things the other day where he was debating this neocon, which was, it was painful to get through, but he did a great job.
Well, he's a former private money mortgage broker.
I mean, he's like 38 and retired and lives in San Diego.
And he was explaining to me like the real estate apocalypse that's coming, how all of these, the moratorium on foreclosures and evictions, how when they lift this, it's going to be the homeless problem.
I mean, if these people can't afford to stay in their own houses, how are they going to be able to afford to rent?
And what are we looking at?
We're looking at like nationalization of real estate.
I mean, people are not asking these questions.
I mean, that's why the last year to me was just like, you know, people are like, I had friends, you know, like people who know, people know some of my close confidants and they contact them and go, what the hell happened to Pete?
What went wrong with Pete?
It was like, well, I saw this right from the start.
I saw exactly what this was going to do to humanity.
Not like a certain segment.
Humanity.
It's changed like people's, the way people are looking at the world.
And I mean, I would just, I thought it was going to radicalize more people.
And man, I don't see it.
Yeah.
Well, there have been, you know, there have been some signs of people becoming more radical, maybe just not in the, in the way we'd like.
So let's, let's talk a little bit about this new project that you're you're putting out, which is a documentary on the cops and the policing problem in America.
And this seems to me to be a really good time to talk about it because of course all of this stuff has been enforced by cops over the last year.
So tell me about that.
What's the new project?
Why'd you decide to do it?
Well, when we put out the Monopoly on Violence, I remember Scott watched it and Scott was like, dude, there's so many subjects in here.
He's like, you're just, it seems like you're jumping around all over the place.
I'm like, yeah, we just wanted to touch on everything.
And then we'll do future documentaries talking about certain things.
We'll pick something out.
And obviously, we put this out on June 1st of last year onto YouTube.
And it was right after the George Floyd riot started.
And we immediately said, okay, the next one has to be on the police because not only is there a conversation happening, but you also have to look at what the police did to enforce the lockdowns to enforce all of this.
And I've always been critical of the police.
I mean, some may say hyperbolic, sure, but I've also always written articles about how policing could be fixed now.
Because I mean, we're not getting rid of the state tomorrow.
So we need to do something now.
And this project is not our first project.
It was obviously libertarian slanted, obviously anarcho-capitalist slanted, anarchist slanted.
This is, we're, this is going to normies.
I mean, this is not a libertarian project.
We're going to talk about libertarian solutions, but that's going to be one part of it.
Most of the solutions we're going to talk about are solutions that can happen now.
We're going to talk about the history of policing, talk about how we got here.
The history of modern policing is only a couple hundred years old.
I mean, you're talking about starting in London in the early 1800s, late 1700s, the way it's done now.
And it's really just to find solutions to not to, I mean, all the slogans are just, they're slogans.
They don't mean anything.
Let's have a conversation with people, like serious people, and really talk about, you know, talk to cops, talk to former police officers who are now speaking out.
Talk to the people who know all the statistics on everything that's ever been done and not look at this thing as, oh, it's all about race.
It's all about this.
No, it's a war on all of us, man.
And, you know, it can be fixed so simply.
It is, it would be so simple to fix policing to where you could, I mean, the drug war, the most obvious thing, get rid of prohibition.
I mean, we make fun of the 1920s when they outlawed alcohol and look at all the violence that happened and police.
I mean, you see the police deaths just shoot up right then.
And I mean, what do you think is going to happen?
Why do you think it's the way it is now?
And there's just, and honestly, I mean, I've, I get a lot of crap for going hard at the police, but the solutions I come up with would make their jobs safer.
I mean, they would just be safer on their jobs.
And, you know, it's, it's one of the most frustrating things in the world to me.
Yeah, it's well, it's, it's a really interesting time.
And I think in many ways, probably if you, if you had to point to one area where there's the most potential to wake people up, it would have to be the relationship between citizens and their compelled security force.
You have on, obviously on the left, I mean, look, I think it's a real problem that they get so distracted and bogged down with the race obsession.
I really do.
I think that so many of these cases, even the ones that get super popular, it's never even clear that race was really the issue at the heart of it.
What's the issue at the heart of it usually is what the laws are, what cops are being deployed for, what type of force is being used for this offense and things like that.
And it's not at all clear to me that if like, you know, Eric Gardner or someone like that were some big white dude doing the exact same thing, acting the exact same way.
I mean, I'm convinced the exact same thing would happen.
So I just don't.
And then the race obsession makes it this divisive issue.
And then it allows them to be bought off very easily with like, well, okay, let's talk about Mr. Potato Head and Aunt Jemima or some shit.
And nothing about the cops gets addressed.
However, the dominant narrative on the entire left half of America is that cops target black men and that they get killed more and that they get harassed more and all of this shit.
Whether the numbers bear that out or not, that is the belief.
On the right side, there's no question that they see that the cops have been enforcing these lockdowns.
And they also got a firsthand witness, like conclusive proof that when the riots come, the cops aren't there to protect you.
They're not there to protect your business.
They're not there to protect your homes.
They will show up a few days later to arrest you for protecting your business or home yourself.
That don't worry about that.
If you get out and brandish a weapon at a mob outside your home, you'll be in handcuffs a few days later and hauled in front of a judge.
So it does seem like there's some opportunity here to be like, hey, can we all agree that we can do better than this system?
Yeah, it's and both sides are so, you know, I think the right, Even especially the Trump right are starting to see the police for who they are.
And that's a really good thing, you know, but even still, I mean, the left still is so inconsistent.
I mean, if the police came, showed up to take my guns and I said no and they killed me.
I mean, the left sent them.
Basically, it's the left who wants this to happen.
So the left sent them.
And then the right would celebrate what heroes they were for doing it.
Yeah.
What do you do?
What do you do?
You have to change people's minds.
And that's the only reason to even do a documentary now is to try and come up with some kind of sane way of explaining to people that, yeah, we need policing.
I mean, I want it to be private.
I want it to be somebody that I pay with my own money that I can fire, but that's not going to happen.
I mean, well, it could happen, but I'm still paying for the police and they're still going to show up if something happens.
I just want it to be different.
I mean, you know, one thing I learned from Larry Sharp was like, remember when he was running for governor and he was talking about like letting certain companies advertise, like take one of the bridges and it would be like, you know, Best Buy bridge for this, you know, to be able to pay taxes and everything.
You know, I just want police to be able to stop crimes that involve hurting people and taking their stuff.
All the other traffic stuff, I mean, what could stop us from, you know, like one of the main roads here is Peachtree Parkway.
What would stop Best Buy from sponsoring that road and making the rules on that road?
And, you know, it would be so easy.
It would generate income for people.
And then the police can just concentrate on what's most important.
That's all they should be doing.
I mean, police, if I was a cop and I stopped a car because they were speeding and I was walking up to that car, I would feel nervous too.
You don't know what you're walking into.
They shouldn't be doing that.
They shouldn't be doing that.
Shouldn't be their job.
That should be some other, that should be something else.
I mean, come on, you have the Audubon.
You have the Audubon in freaking Germany where there's no speed limit and everything.
Just leave people alone.
You can generate income.
If they're generating income by renting out the highway to Best Buy and they're paying for it, then you don't have to worry about all these stupid tickets and everything like that.
People self-police.
I mean, we know that.
We would not be advocates for statelessness if we didn't believe that people could get out on a road and they could basically police themselves.
There's so much the police do their job.
I do not believe that humans can do that job.
The way that job is set up, the way the police have to do, they are not equipped to do it.
And if you look at the amount of police suicides, it'll tell you something.
It's not as high as soldier suicides, but it is pretty damn high.
And I think it's because no human being is able to do that job and not lose their soul.
And if you do are able to do that job and not lose your soul, I don't know.
I'm sorry that I'm sharing the friggin air with you.
Yeah, right.
No, absolutely.
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NRA And Dangerous Guns00:14:42
Let's get back into the show.
Now, it's hard.
You know, it's like, I think that there are, you know, oftentimes when there is when there is tragedy that can lead to awakening.
And, you know, like, obviously the fact that there's like a super majority of the American people who are against the wars right now, that's in part because they went so bad.
You know, like if the wars were really successful, then we probably wouldn't have that.
And so it's this awful contradiction of the human, you know, existence that, yeah, sometimes really bad things need to happen and then people can wake up to the reality of it.
And there is potential for a lot of people to wake up.
But I also think it's important for us to accurately assess what's going on.
And one of the things I've been thinking a lot about lately is, you know, so when George W. Bush destroyed the 21st century, you know, and this really was,
one of the things I've been talking about a lot lately is because it's so fascinating to me is when you look around and you see, you know, the direction the culture is going in and the fact that in all seriousness, people are grown adults are discussing no longer having Mr. and Mrs. Potato Head because this is a gender norm and Dr. Seuss needs to be canceled and all of these things.
And you just realize that this woke progressive thing is in control of everything, that people's livelihoods will be taken away, all of this other stuff.
You can't step out of bounds.
We're all obviously you're a multiple time victim of Twitter murder.
There's, you know, you'll be kicked off everything for saying the wrong thing.
And this is all, and I'm like, well, you know, the last time that the right wing really had, was a force in the culture was post 9-11.
And they really were.
I mean, not as dominant as the left is today, but they really, the right-wingers and the people they supported, their politicians, the George W. Bush administration, they had the government.
You know, they had the executive branch.
They had the Congress.
They didn't have it the way Trump had it, where everyone was undermining them constantly.
George W. Bush had control of the executive, you know, branch of government.
The deep state was working with them to sell their wars.
The corporate press was pushing their wars.
Like they really got, and when they had, and this was a right-wing culture at the time, post-9-11, it was a right-wing culture.
It was about nationalism and authoritarianism and hierarchy and military.
And these aren't lefty things, you know?
And when they had this, many libertarians, including, you know, Lou Rockwell and all these guys, he wrote that piece, a brilliant piece, the, was it Red State Fascism, the realities of red state fascism, where he's talking, he's like, hey, look at the Nation magazine right now.
The Nation magazine is like, hey, you know what?
Patriotism actually means questioning your government sometimes.
And we're against the war in Iraq and we're against the Patriot Act and all of this shit.
And it was easy for a libertarian to be like, you know what?
We support this resistance to the dominant culture more than we support the dominant culture.
And I think a lot, and then look what happened when that dominant culture came to be.
Now we have what we're dealing with today.
And so I think there's a lot of temptation now for the libertarian side to be like, well, look at the right-wingers.
You know, they're getting red-pilled on the cops or they're getting this and that.
And I'm sitting there watching CPAC, where Rand Paul gets 2% of the straw poll and Nikki Haley gets 3%.
He lost to Nikki Haley.
And I watched, did you see Wayne Lapierre, the head of the NRA, is giving a speech to CPAC.
And what he said was, he goes, you know, if we wanted to just eliminate violent crime in our society today, all we'd have to do is enforce the gun laws that are already on the books.
This is what the head of the NRA is saying to CPAC.
He's going, you know what we're for?
Enforcing gun laws.
That's what the NRA stands for.
Just no new ones, but let's really enforce all the ones they have that we have on the books already.
And it's like, wow, man, this is really, you know, it's like, I don't know, are they really against cancel culture?
This is the same dominant culture that wanted the Dixie chicks gone for, you know what I mean?
Like, I don't know.
They just didn't have social media at the time.
They seem better in a lot of ways because they're losing, but I don't know.
It's like the side who's losing always declares liberty.
You know, the side who's losing is like, hey, hey, I just want freedom.
I just want freedom for everyone because you're in no position to enforce your will on anyone anyway.
But once you get into that position, I don't know.
I think we got a lot more persuading to do.
The dangerous part of the left is that basically the meeting, the media, academia, and now the tech companies, big tech control everything there.
You know, one of the red pills for me is that the government does what they, what they say.
I mean, the government is basically at the beck and call of the media, academia, and big, and whatever they want to do, whatever culture they're pushing.
You know, the old Breitbart quote.
But still, to a certain extent, the left, and especially that loud left, the very insane left, they're so insane that it's, they're like a caricature of just some crazy, you're craziest professor.
And I think a lot of people can see that.
The dangerous part with the right is that they sound sensible.
They sound like the sensible ones.
It's like, oh, we just need to do this.
You know, if we follow the constitution a little more, and it's like, and Wayne Lapierre by saying, you know, we just have to enforce the gun laws.
I mean, how, how much more anti-constitution can you be?
I mean, this is a country where there's a federal gun law that, you know, there's the NFA where machine guns and I mean, there, you could have an AR-15 lower that just has one hole drilled in it.
You don't even have to have that hole filled in to make it shoot full automatic.
And say somebody buys that without knowing, just doesn't know what it is, and they get caught with that.
It's 10 years in federal prison.
How?
So we're supposed to enforce that?
Yeah.
I mean, it's total insanity.
I mean, being a gun owner and being somebody who has played in the NFA world, the National Firearms Act world, you have to know the laws.
I mean, like, I've constructed some rifles.
I've converted some foreign rifles.
If I don't have a certain amount of American parts in it, 10 years.
You have to know that.
And he wants, that's what he wants enforced.
That's what the right wants enforced.
That's the NRA.
That's their part.
The National Rifle Association.
Sure.
I mean, and those of us who've been in, been in the know for a long time have known that the NRA is just, they're just willing to cede ground.
I mean, they're not one of those, they're not radicals.
They're not like us where we're just like, no, screw you.
I mean, there shouldn't be any, none of these laws should be on the books.
Well, they're compromised.
I mean, look, they're completely compromised because the majority of their donations come in from the big weapons manufacturers.
And who's the biggest client of the big weapons manufacturers?
It's the cops and the military, I suppose.
But that's the world cops and the domestic cops.
Those are, those are their big clients.
And so if the cops are going around rounding up guns, don't count on the NRA to be there speaking against the cops because you know what?
Those cops buy a lot more guns than any of us do.
And so that's where their bread is buttered.
But it was really, you know, it was really something to see that at CPAC from the end from the NRA head.
Saw it, Mike Pompeo giving a speech bragging about Trump's big, beautiful bombs that he dropped on Syria.
Mike Pompeo, the peak conservatism.
Right, right.
So that's, you know, there's still, there's still a lot there that you'd, that you'd want to deal with.
Right there with Garrett Goret and the old right, you know?
Yeah.
Like Pompeo and Garrett Garrett, right?
Yeah, right.
So Garrett Gorette, that's the last time we actually had a decent right wing in this culture.
We only have to go back to the 1930s.
So, you know, but you're, you are right that there is this kind of really, you know, it's unbelievable how quickly it took over the mainstream, but the craziest of the woke leftist thing that is really, like you said, it's almost as if this is like a spoof.
Like you look at it and you're like, have you seen the health secretary?
Yeah.
Yeah, I have.
Yeah, you know that chick has a dick, right?
You know, when it was 40, it had to have a prostate exam, right?
I mean, it has to get a prostate exam every once in a while, right?
What fucking, what world are we living in, man?
Well, the idea that you would have ever said these things, you know, just 15 years ago or something like that, even 10 years ago, some of this stuff would have just gotten you laughed at.
Even in progressive circles, they would have taken this as mocking what they actually stood for.
Like, there's no way that you could actually be taking these positions, you know, whatever they are.
There's too many to even name.
But you are right that then it almost gives cover to the other side who's just against that.
Basically, anyone who's against this insanity is going to buy some currency within the population who's appalled by this stuff.
And that is also kind of an issue because that's not really good enough.
You know, it's not really good enough to just be like, no, we should have Mr. Potato Head.
And here's how stupid it is to ban him.
And so we got bigger problems than that.
And I wonder, you know, I've been like completely convinced that wokeism is a corporate plot in the same way progressivism was in the original progressive era in the same way that the culture war on the conservative side was a deep state plot.
Yeah, no, no, no, we don't want, we don't care about the old right anymore.
What are you guys talking about?
You know, the New Deal and central banks.
No, no, no.
What we really care about is like gays.
You know, that's what conservatism is all about.
You know, all this stuff is always a distraction.
But I wonder, and I've wondered this for years, and I'm sure all of us have.
When you look at some of this stuff, you almost go like, man, you guys, are you guys really trying to create Nazis?
Like, if the goal was to try to create a really dangerous hard right wing, this is probably about how you would go at it.
Let me just tell you that, you know, basically, you're going to be lectured to your entire life about how evil it is to be white.
Oh, and also, by the way, we're going to teach your son that he's really your daughter, you know, like this.
Like, how, I mean, if you were trying to radicalize some young, angry men, that would be, this would be a pretty good path.
And then you go like, man, really, is that the plan?
Because that seems like a dangerous one.
Why the fuck would they want to flirt with this?
It's the, you know, people have said that I become really radicalized over the last year.
And people have like, like, who, you know, what happened?
Who the hell radicalized you?
And I've, I've told some progress, told some progressives, you did.
I mean, you did.
You, it's what you're doing is insane.
And if it weren't for the press, if it, if it weren't for them having the press and academia and basically all the government, you know, it wouldn't be so bad.
If I just had to deal with it, you know, there were some billboards or there was some stuff plastered on the side of the road or something like that.
That'd be different, but it's all policy now.
I remember after the January the January 6th thing, which Bird from Timeline Earth said was said it was the Reichstad fart.
I thought that was like the best thing, the best description of it ever.
That's great.
And then I see people I know and respect and wives, wives of people that I respect telling me that an insurrection happened.
And I have to explain to them that I have more guns like at my disposal in my view right here than showed up at this insurrection in a country with 400 million guns, allegedly.
And what, these right wingers, these rat, these radicals were too scared of Washington, D.C.'s draconian gun laws to bring guns to their insurrection.
This is insane.
And then it's like, well, anyone who, then it, then it became anyone who supports Trump, anyone who supports QAnon, anyone who supports anything, who believes anything that's outside of the mainstream is a radical, needs to have their children taken away, needs to be re-educated.
Well, these are all normies who went there.
I mean, these are, I mean, it was mostly boomers.
I was up in the area and I left two days later.
I was coming home, Baltimore, Washington International Airport, and it was all boomers who were completely defeated.
I mean, the looks on their faces going home was just insane.
They were just like, oh my God, I can't believe that this, that he actually isn't, he's not going to be president anymore.
And I'm like, these are radicals.
Well, what are they going to think of me?
The stuff that I say, you know, I want to burn the government to the ground metaphorically.
And yeah, well, the creepy, the creepiest thing, right, is that it's, and this has been going on for years, but really accelerated over the last year, is that you are, it's very clear.
And I really think that a lot of people know this, maybe not all consciously, but I think a lot of people know this consciously, that you are, you are going to be demanded to participate in a mass delusion.
And in many ways, I think this is what people going back, you know, to 2014, 2015, this is what a lot of people objected to about the woke left was it's like, hey, look, I'm not, you know, I'm not denying anybody's liberty or anybody, like, that's all I'm about is human liberty.
People can do whatever they want to, but you do not get to demand that I participate in a delusion.
Okay.
Like I can still discuss objective reality and what is and what isn't, you know, and that's, that's just going to be the deal for me.
Resisting Mass Delusion00:09:16
I'm not demanding anything of you.
You can have your delusion.
You're more than welcome to do that.
But I have, I do not have to participate.
And with the COVID stuff, I mean, you see this all over the place.
People, you know, Tom Brady got out of his limo and is 40 feet away from any person, but he's not wearing a mask and they're outside.
And I'm supposed to participate in the delusion that this is at all risky, that you are at all following the science to be concerned that someone outside who's not on top of you is not wearing a mask.
This is like nobody in the entire world, there has not been the demonstration that one case has been spread that way, you know?
And with the January 6th thing, it's like you are, you are not allowed to just assess this, to talk about it, to talk about whether it was a good idea or a bad idea.
I come down on the side saying it was a very, very bad idea.
I think it accomplished nothing except handing your enemies a huge talking point.
And some people died and got hurt.
And it was just, you know, like this was just a bad idea.
But you're not allowed to discuss whether it was a bad idea or a good idea or what really happened here or what got these people to the point that they would be, you know, ready to do this.
No, this was an insurrection.
Repeat after me, Pete.
This was an attempted coup to install a dictator, which is so utterly ridiculous on its face.
It's as ridiculous as Tom Brady being expected to wear a mask outside.
It's as ridiculous as so much of the stuff that's been going on for the last few years has been.
You know, it's like, no, like they are demanding that everybody participate in this delusion.
And that is really just creepy.
It's really creepy.
Like, no, this was not an insurrection attempt.
This was a protest that got like rambunctious and turned into a quasi-riot where like some windows were smashed and some people got like stampeded and a cop shot a lady.
You know, like, this is what happened here.
And like, no, I'm sorry.
I don't care if one guy had a Confederate flag.
That doesn't make this a white supremacist insurrection.
That's not what it was.
And it's, I think more than ever, it is important for some people to like stand up to this and say, I'm not participating in this delusion.
What's interesting is Bob Murphy put out an episode of his podcast this morning.
I mean, like literally this morning, I woke up and it was there.
And he talked about how when Milosevic got kicked, basically lost power in Serbia, it was because 10,000 people stormed a government building, went in there and found evidence that he had fixed the election.
And it's one of those things that's like, well, Milosevic, I mean, this is a guy who was doing human experiment, you know, human trafficking and everything.
Well, it would be okay.
That would be okay.
But you have to wonder the press how they covered that in Serbia at that time.
Because I mean, let's face it, I mean, if say they did go in there and they found a laptop that showed that the election was a fraud, much like they put out in Time magazine, you know, three weeks later, showing how they made the election into basically a fraud.
But and then bragged about it and rubbed it in your nose, rubbed your nose in it.
Yeah.
But getting back to all of it, I think Malice put out a tweet.
I think it was this morning at 1 a.m.
And in Michael Malice's brilliance, you were talking about how you just have to toe the line and everything.
And he's talking about Texas dropping all their mandates, said they're not scared that you're not wearing a mask or else they distanced themselves.
They're scared that you are being disobedient.
And that is a microcosm of everything that you see coming from the left at this point.
Everything you see coming from the culture at this point, because let's face it, the culture is the press, is the media, the corporate media, corporate academia, and corporate big tech.
If you are disobedient to whatever message they are putting out, you are, they're going to talk about taking away your kids and re-educating you.
And they're going to do it hyperbolically, but then they're just going to be, you know, when they laugh it off when you go at them about it, they're like, oh, I was just kidding, wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
Yeah, but they're normalizing the idea.
And I think you're right.
I think that's what all of this participating in these mass delusions is about.
It's about control.
And it's about if we can get you to even just mouth the words of something that you know isn't true, then we've demonstrated that we can control you.
And I think, I think Michael's absolutely right.
And it's, you know, in the same way that like Scott points out all the time that, you know, when you think about these countries who are the enemies of the American empire, who are they?
It's like Iran and Cuba and North Korea and like and Russia to some degree.
And really what it is, what when we say they're a threat, I mean, like they're not lying to you.
They just think of the word threat as a different thing.
And normal people think of a threat like, oh, you mean they could come over here and kill us?
They could come over here and hurt us.
It's like, no, no, no.
They're a threat to the American empire because they had the nerve to resist and declare their independence from the thing.
And you're just not allowed to do that.
And I think that that is what a lot of these people really are objecting to because it's the nerve of Texas to resist.
It's the nerve of you to resist by not having a mask on.
Because like you said, or like Malice said, you could distance yourself from them.
There is nobody, if you think you're protecting yourself at all by quarantining, nobody is stopping anyone from living the way they did in May of last year for the rest of their lives.
You can do that.
You're free to do that.
But that's not really what it's about.
It's not about protecting themselves.
It's about insisting that you are compliant.
Okay.
Yeah.
I mean, it got to the point last year where, you know, people were like, wear your mask, wear your mask.
And I just go into like, I'd go under their tweet and comment and I'd be like, I'm going to not wear my mask to the point where you're tweeting from a ventilator.
Screw you people.
Screw you people.
I mean, I went out today was one of the first days I went out and I did shopping without them where the stores I went to that require a mask.
I was just like, fuck this.
I mean, I'm not doing it.
And no one said shit to me today.
And I think it's just hopefully, hopefully them seeing Texas, you know, a lot of people seeing Texas do it and more states are going to follow suit.
They'll just be like, you know, we need to get this done.
I mean, people are, you are welcome to wear a diaper on your face in public.
Do it.
Preferably wrap it in plastic.
But, you know, and get the vaccine, please, please get the vaccine.
Hopefully it'll sterilize you.
But I mean, I'm just done with these people.
I'm just absolutely done.
I just, all I've ever wanted to do was be left alone.
And, you know, the last year has been like, no, you are not going to be left alone.
Everybody is going to be in your face.
I mean, even when the police disappeared last year, you know, May, April and May of last year, I had a cop on from Tennessee and he told me he was told to stand down, don't pull anybody over, don't do anything, and don't enforce mask mandates, don't do anything, you know, just leave people alone.
They didn't need police.
They had the Karen, you know, the whole Karen meme, which no one talks about anymore because, you know, once a meme becomes mainstream, why do you even talk about it anymore?
It's just we have society Karens out there that we don't talk that the meme's gone now because, hey, it's been normalized.
Yeah, a lot's been normalized over the last year.
It's kind of trippy to even think about it.
All right, man, well, we got to wrap up.
Pete, where can everybody find your stuff?
How can they go support the next documentary on the cops?
All right.
First of all, Free Man Beyond the Wall podcast.
Check it out.
I had one of the guys from Tower Gang on this week.
If you know, you know that from Twitter, right?
Oh, I love it.
It's the greatest thing ever.
You know, because I was in on a bunch of them too, and then they nuked my account.
I got a new account.
It's like, all right, just trying to lay low a little bit now.
But this documentary is at americaspolicecrisis.com.
It's on Indiegogo, America's Police Crisis.
It's ended, but the great thing about Indiegogo is we set it up so that even after it ends, people can still donate.
You can still get all the perks for every level that we have.
It'll still be recorded there.
And it ended with us very shy of our goal.
So we're going to make this documentary no matter what.
But one of the goals we had for this was we wanted to pay people.
We wanted to pay the people who were writing it, the people who were shooting it.
We have a professional videographer now, and no one got paid a dime.
We were out of pocket on the first one.
And we just wanted to make sure that they got something for this one.
So please go to America's PoliceCrisis.com.
It's on Indiegogo and donate.
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I mean, we're going to put something out that everyone's going to be able to like.
There's going to be something in there that everyone from the most hardcore police lover will agree with to the most hardcore police hater.
It is going to, it's going to be perfect.
I guarantee you everyone's going to love this.
And it'll be one of those things.
Amazon's not going to wait six months to put it up.
It'll be one of those things that it'll be right up there because, you know, now we're going after one of the people that the progressive, one of the groups of progressive doesn't like.
But, you know, it's going to be respectful of everybody and it's going to be truthful.