Dave Smith and Robbie the Fire Bernstein dissect the Libertarian Party's termination of their affiliate link, framing it as proof that leadership fears a takeover. They condemn Donald Trump's impeachment as a political maneuver driven by Democratic anxiety over his potential 2024 return rather than genuine legal grounds. The discussion intensifies with Gina Carano's Disney firing for comparing political hatred to the Holocaust, which they argue exposes a dangerous double standard where conservative speech is punished while left-wing intolerance remains unchallenged. Ultimately, this culture of cancellation threatens free thought, potentially forcing conservative voices into niche platforms like OnlyFans as corporate establishments enforce rigid progressive orthodoxy. [Automatically generated summary]
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Taking Over The Libertarian Party00:10:55
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Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem.
It is Friday.
That means we actually give a shit about this one.
And that means I am joined by the king of the caulks, Robbie the Fire Bernstein.
What is up, my brother?
I'm good.
How are you, Mr. Davey?
I'm doing good.
Doing very good.
A couple things off the bat I wanted to mention.
I did a podcast last night for, I think it's going to be on Reed Coverdale's channel, on his YouTube channel.
He's a great young libertarian.
Make sure you check that one out.
It was really interesting.
It was a conversation with a bunch of libertarians in the Libertarian Party coming at it from all different kind of perspectives.
And I really enjoyed it.
So I'll make sure to like tweet that and promote it, but go check that out.
And then tonight, I'm going to be doing a live stream talking about the takeover and the Mises caucus with Michael Heiss.
That'll be, if you're in the Facebook group, if anyone's still on Facebook, if you're in the Facebook group, I think we're going to live stream it there and then we'll probably put it out afterward.
I wanted to talk very quickly before we get into the news of the day about the Libertarian Party a little bit and the state of the takeover, which is really, really fascinating to me.
So, and also I want to have this website up so I get it right.
So the Libertarian Party, the higher-ups at the Libertarian Party are really concerned about what we're doing.
They are quite nervous that we are going to take over their party, and they should be.
They are absolutely right to be nervous about what we're doing because this is going to be a real game changer.
And so they had this thing, which I don't know if I think I've mentioned it before on the show, but they had these what were known as affiliate links where you could basically, for people who were big recruiters, you could start like, you know, lp.com slash join Dave Smith, you know, and they had a deal where they'd, you know, they'd give you money for every membership that you brought in.
I don't remember.
They give you a couple bucks for every person who signs up or whatever.
And I never started one of these because my thing was kind of like, if I'm saying, hey, I think we should all join this political party, I'm not really trying to get paid off of it.
Almost seemed like a conflict of interest to me.
Like if I'm telling you to do something, it's because I believe in this and we should all do this together.
It's not like I'm not trying to make money off of this recruitment effort.
But Michael Heist basically convinced me that this was a great way to keep track of how many people were bringing into the party because I plan on recruiting a lot of people over this next year.
And so I made a deal with him.
I go, okay, well, how about I'll just, I'll donate all the money to the Mises caucus pack.
Okay.
And then, so I'm not taking any money off of it, but we can still keep track of anyone.
So I applied for one of these recruitment links.
Now, I've got it on very good authority from some people at the top of the Libertarian Party.
When I applied for this, they started freaking out.
A bunch of people at the top were like, Dave's going to recruit a ton of people and they're going to take over the party.
And he's saying they're going to take over the party.
And look, we can't do this.
One day after I filled out the paperwork, they ended the entire thing.
They ended the entire affiliate link program.
They gave some bullshit reason for why like it costs more than it makes.
And this, it's just too expensive to run an affiliate link program, which anyone who's run one was like, that doesn't make any sense.
Like they're not expensive to run.
We're making changes.
We're getting rid of the affiliate links.
I never liked affiliate links.
Well, that's fine.
That's fine.
Listen.
I'm happy to be in a party without affiliate links.
We're making changes, Davey Smith.
It's well, it's about time.
So listen, this is, I just want to let people know that to me, I know there were some people who were like bummed out about this.
To me, this was just really exciting news.
This is just like, oh, even they know, even they know that we're taking this party over.
And I think all real libertarians should be really excited about this.
We don't need your affiliate links to go to war.
Yeah, that's fine.
I'm happy without it.
Anyway, this is what I want to do in response to that is I want to have a fundraising drive for the Mises caucus.
Okay.
So if you can, if you can afford to give anything, please go to lpmisescaucus.com slash donate.
Okay.
We're going to try to use this and monetize this situation to flip it around on them and let them know that we are serious about taking over the Libertarian Party and making it something awesome instead of the joke that it's been for decades, basically since Harry Brown was there.
Okay.
So we use all the money to buy me a night suit that I can show up to the convention in?
No, but we can use most of it for that.
Listen, for people thinking about donating, most of your money will go toward a Rob Burns.
A giant sword, and then you bring your sandwiches and I'll slice them in half for you.
And then it'll be like, it's blessed and you can eat it.
Rob, every time I try to do something serious, you come up with an awesome idea like that.
Just make it 10 times more serious.
Thank you, Rob.
Dumb and dumber.
Okay, let's get into the show for today.
So I don't know if you've heard, Rob, but there is an impeachment going on.
No, they did that like two years ago.
That's old news.
Yeah, no, but that was old.
That was just, you know, impeaching a sitting president.
That's boring stuff.
Okay.
We're over that.
We're impeaching past presidents now.
Okay.
Which I could kind of get into theoretically if we were impeaching them for the right reasons.
I, oh man, if I was in Congress, I'd be introducing articles of impeachment against Woodrow Wilson.
I bastard created the income tax and the Federal Reserve.
Let's go after him for that.
But of course, this one is just really, really stupid.
And there is, I don't know if you've noticed, Rob, but there is, you know, we talk about a lot on the show, but there will be these hypercharged political moments where there's almost like a mass delusion.
And everybody, and if you even question it, you are really, people will come down on you.
Like you are not allowed.
And oftentimes they're very short-lived, you know?
Like the one that I love bringing up because it was just so absurd was the when Trump talked about pulling a couple hundred troops out of Syria and all of a sudden everyone was like, the Kurds.
You don't care about the Kurds.
We care so much about the Kurds.
Any news on the Kurds this week?
No, because no one cares about the Kurds.
It was just used.
But in that week, if you said on like a cable news show, I think Trump should pull all of the troops out, you would really get attacked.
Like, you don't care about the Kurds.
They create these kind of hysterical moments.
And I, maybe it's part of just my contrarian personality, but I enjoy these moments.
And I enjoy just being like, nope, I'm sorry.
I'm not going to participate in your mass delusion.
I'm just not.
I'm not interested in that.
This impeachment is ridiculous.
It is absolutely ridiculous.
The idea that you're saying you're using what is a crime, incitement of violence, right?
They're using the language of a crime for an offense that could never meet the criminal standard.
Absolutely could never meet the criminal standard of incitement to violence.
Because Donald Trump just flat out didn't incite violence.
You could say he took the loss like a bitch.
You could say he was wrong and he didn't have enough evidence to conclusively prove what he was claiming happened.
Sure, you can make that argument, but he never told anyone to go be violent.
In fact, this is one thing that they really have trouble with, so they're leaving it out.
He used the word peaceful.
He told them, he instructed them to be peaceful.
And you would think that that would really hurt the claim that he incited violence.
Anyway, the arguments that are being put forth by the Democrats are just incredibly dishonest.
I don't know.
Did you see they had this like over like movie production type thing that they ran of every scary right wing or ever?
And oh my God, look at the violence and taking everything out of context, showing it in the most, you know, I don't know how to put it exactly, but showing it in the most damaging light you could possibly imagine.
I mean, look, just to be clear, you could do something like that with anyone.
You could certainly do that with our podcast.
Just go through and take the darkest things we've said completely out of context and make it seem like we're inciting violence or something like that.
You could definitely do it with every single left-wing anti-Trump podcast out there.
You could do it with, oh, and by the way, people have.
They do it all the time.
Or you see those montage clips of like Maxine Waters and Chuck Schumer and all the Democrats kind of like saying all this shit.
And then the, you know, all the riots that happened over this summer.
You could absolutely say that.
They're actually getting him or attempting to get him on using the word fight.
And as Rand Paul pointed out on the Senate floor, he said, what politician hasn't used the word fight metaphorically before?
They literally like, what, how about Bernie Sanders Fight for 15?
Is that a call to violence?
Or is it just him saying, this is the policy that I want?
And so we're going to fight for it.
The whole thing is like, it's unbelievable to watch.
And it's even more unbelievable that so many people feel uncomfortable to just call this out for what it is.
Ridiculousness.
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I like the boring heist video presentation where they have them as the red dots as they're slowly moving across the building.
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And then you get the footage of Schumer sprinting one way and then the other way.
Yeah, it's all it's all pretty.
Is there something shady about how slow of a march it was that you see them crossing the field with very little reinforcement?
It seemed like they had a lot of time to clear out that building or call in for some help.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's what I haven't seen any presentation of is exactly where AOC was during her near-death experience, but I'm sure they'll get to that at some point.
I was like this.
I was like this because I knew it could be the end.
So I was, I was humbled.
Dude, how funny.
I think we never talked about that, right?
Over the last couple of weeks, but I mean, did she get caught just blatantly lying?
Well, the answer is yes and no.
So she said she didn't make it clear enough that she was just being scared over nothing but policemen that were actually outside of her door.
That's what happened.
Yeah.
There were police outside of her door that screamed in, is she in there?
And she, because she likes to be panicked and dramatic, made a whole big stink out of nothing, but still just went on to talk about how horrible of an experience it was.
That's that's a pretty big lie of omission.
You know what I mean?
Like, that's like why in court they say, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth?
Because a lie of omission is just as much of a lie as just lying about the facts, right?
So she gave, she made this whole live stream and she's like, the door was right here and they were screaming.
I knew she was in there.
I mean, I think most people looking at that thought she was talking about the rioters and that she was saying, yeah, she was, she was sure she was going to die.
Then, of course, brought up her, you know, the fact that she's a survivor of sexual assault and all this stuff, which I thought, you know, personally, I know it's like they use these tactics intentionally because if someone says that, it is designed to paralyze any criticism.
Because now, if you criticize her, well, you're basically saying you don't care about victims of sexual assault or something like that.
But I don't go for these tactics.
And I'll just say that I think it's like wildly inappropriate for a lawmaker to be bringing up some trauma in their past and trying to use that to, you know, insert like this kind of emotional rhetoric into a discussion about policy or what we should do.
Just think it's inappropriate.
You know, like if anyone were like any congressman or congresswoman or whoever were talking about a bill on, you know, gun control or something like that.
And they started going off on a story about how they were traumatized when they were a teenager and this and that.
I'd be like, this is completely inappropriate.
I'm sorry, this is a conversation for you and your shrink.
And it's awful if that happened to you, but this is not like, this is not how you're supposed to do your job.
This isn't like, you know what I mean?
Like, I just, I, I thought that whole thing was horrible.
And the New York Times ran this piece that they're like, people are saying AOC lied and said she was at the Capitol.
She didn't.
And it's like, yeah, but she really did.
Like, she really did.
To any normal person watching that video, you were like, that's the impression that you were left with was that she was there while they were rioting and they were right outside a door that she was in.
And none of that's true.
So yeah, that's, I guess, you know, there's no consequences.
But I had, do you remember like two years ago when there was that pipe bombing in New York City?
It was like by 14th Street.
Yeah.
The next day, the next day I worked in Times Square at the time and like they had shut down my street.
I guess there was some sort of a bomb threat.
And then at one point, some alarm went off in the building.
They started like clearing out the building.
And I had a joke in my act about how much of a bitch I was being with that experience because literally nothing happened.
And I was just like, just how nervous.
But that's the way you have to present that kind of a story is I'm a nervous wreck of a human being and absolutely nothing of danger was happening.
And yet here were the feelings I had because I'm a bitch of a human being.
That's the honest way to do it.
What she did was she put out, hey, this is how fearful I was without any of, but that was just me being ridiculous because there was no actual reason for me to be fearful.
Right.
No, and it's quite the other, it was quite the opposite the way she put it out.
She was like, I'm fearful.
And this is because, you know, the Republicans are such awful people or something like that.
Anyway, it's all just very, very bizarre to watch unfold.
But to me, the I guess my biggest takeaways from the impeachment are number one, that to me, the case is just so weak.
The case is so weak.
You're claiming that Donald Trump incited an insurrection.
I mean, number one, it really wasn't an insurrection.
It just wasn't, you know, like some windows were broken.
Some windows were broken.
They stormed a government building.
I don't know.
I mean, yeah, you could say there's the picture of the guy with the zip ties.
Was he really, you know, it's still a pretty big leap that he was actually going to do something with those zip ties or that wasn't just for, you know, if some counter protesters came out.
I don't know.
Like maybe he was.
I don't know, you know?
Yes, there was a guy with a Confederate flag.
I know people don't like the Confederate flag.
Most of the people were taking selfies and being silly and being goofy and were caught up in the moment and kind of did something stupid.
And yeah, there were some people who died.
One woman was shot by the police.
A couple other people, I guess, died in the process.
I mean, like some people got stampeded.
It was, there were bad things that happened there.
That doesn't really make it an insurrection.
And the other, the other angle that's just so ridiculous to me is that you're saying Trump incited this in the same way that like, you know, he incited it in the way that if any politician complains about something in politics and then people go and do something violent, you would say they incited it.
By this standard, you could remove the majority of politicians.
That's if you're going to blame them anytime anyone does anything violent.
If you're going to say that, then any politician who talks about police being racist is now, you could say they're inciting violence if a police officer is ever assaulted.
There's as much of a straight line between those two as there is between anything else.
You could say that, you know, Bernie Sanders incited violence when his supporter shot up that baseball field, right?
I mean, because Bernie Sanders rails about how corrupt these politicians are.
And what are you suggesting someone do if there's corrupt politicians?
This is like a, it's a ridiculous standard that couldn't possibly be applied evenly.
But the other thing that in a way is almost a bigger takeaway to me is that you look at this and you're like, so what is the point?
Right.
Because obviously you're impeaching somebody who's already gone.
And it seems, aside from some little things like if he is convicted in the Senate, whatever, I'd say they could take away his secret service detail or like they won't let him build a presidential library or something like that.
But the big thing, right?
The only really substantial consequence of this is what, Rob?
That they won't let him run again, right?
That they could vote after conviction to not let him run again for president.
And I got to say, I find that, I find the fact that that is such a motivator for the Democrats to be astoundingly revealing.
Just like you're telling me that after everything, after everything just of the last year in America, how much of a shit show the whole thing has been.
And after everything with, you know, just think about what happened on January 6th and the media coverage about it and how much, you know, they have blamed Donald Trump for this.
And after, so after all of this, after years of pushing the Russia collusion thing, after two impeachments, after, you know, the COVID lockdowns and the riots over the summer and the election and the claims that the election were fraudulent and the January 6th Capitol Hill riot and all of these other things,
you're talking about the prospect that a then 78-year-old, fat Donald Trump is going to run for president again, right?
Well, they might not be able to rig it twice.
It took a lot of work this time, you know, right?
But the fact that they actually see that as a threat, that they're actually like, holy shit, and he could win.
After, you know, whatever, four years of Biden, after a year of Biden and three years of Kamala Harris, they are scared that Donald Trump could come back and win this thing again.
And what's so revealing about that is that they realize how weak their grip on power is.
And they're also terrified of democracy, which is kind of, you know, amusing to say.
I mean, I'm terrified of democracy too, but for other reasons.
But the fact that they are that scared that after all of their propaganda, the voters might still take a look at them and go, we prefer Trump to what you are bringing to the table.
Like, wouldn't you think if you were a believer in democracy, and it's something I've talked about a lot on this show, that I think no one really is a believer in democracy.
I just don't, I don't think a true believer in democracy exists.
People like to pretend they are, but no one really is.
Like, you know, nobody who, the example I use a lot is gay marriage.
But like there was not one Democrat who was for gay marriage that when the Supreme Court came out and just made it the law of the land and all 50 states went, no, no, no, we need to have votes.
We need to have referendums in Alabama because they probably wouldn't win that.
And they want gay marriage to be legal.
So, okay, fine.
By the way, I'm not even against that.
That can, you know, there's a strong argument in favor of legalizing gay marriage.
Okay.
So fine.
But you believe in your principle, not in democracy.
And likewise for other people, nobody who's like morally against a policy, if there were 51% of the people who were for it or against it, would go, yeah, well, I love democracy more than I care about the morality of that policy, us included.
By the way, I'm not, you know, I'm not saying we're above this, but the fact that if you cared about democracy at all, wouldn't you go, well, look, we have made the case publicly that Trump was responsible for this violence.
We've made the case publicly that he's the reason that so many people died of COVID.
We've made the case publicly that he was a disaster and he went out like a bitch and all this other stuff.
So at this point, I mean, if the voters, we trust the voters and we trust the process of democracy.
None of them have that attitude.
None of them.
And even they'll, you know, they'll like use this ridiculous logic where they're like, well, but we do trust democracy, but the fact is that he didn't trust democracy.
And that's why we have to bar him from running again.
And you're like, okay, but if you're saying he lost the election, so he lost and he's gone.
What would be the problem with allowing him to run again?
Which I don't, it seems so far-fetched to me.
The idea that a fat 78-year-old Donald Trump is going to come back and that people will vote for this whole circus again just seems unlikely to me, but they seem pretty concerned about it.
Got to get the options off the menu.
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It's interesting because it might be better for the Democrats if the Republicans have to go up against Trump again.
You would think, right?
Yeah, you would think that that might be like their best option because you could easily run against Donald Trump by being like, do you really want to go back to that?
Like so many people are fatigued of not just Trump, but the response to Trump, how insane Trump drives everybody else.
Like, do you really want that?
Do you really want that again?
You want to hear CNN every day about this and blah, blah, blah.
You'd think that wouldn't, you'd think they'd feel like we could beat that guy, especially if they feel like they just beat that guy.
But as you said, maybe they don't feel like they just beat that guy.
I don't know.
Impeach him anyways.
He's just going to be out there going, you, I could have been your leader.
I could have done so much for you.
Look at what they did.
They're keeping me from you.
Be great.
You let him just be the underdog.
It's great.
Well, you do in a way hand him a very powerful narrative.
I mean, the fact that he's booted off of all of social media and shit like that, that that's it.
But if you could imagine if he wasn't booted off all of social media, right?
And he was still kind of in the conversation.
They, you know, they are really handing him a narrative in a way.
He already has the narrative that it was stolen from him and that he's really the president.
And now if they bar him from running again, well, what's his narrative?
They stole it from me once and now they're stealing the, you know, my right to run again.
The truth is, I don't think they're going to convict him.
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I just don't.
Now, ultra hilarious is they convict him and then he runs again anyways.
Which is possible, by the way.
He could do it, run again anyway, and then force the courts to step in and remove him or whatever.
So there's a lot of just like interesting parts to this whole little thing.
But I also think that what's going on here is that the Democrats are playing politics and they're trying to push Republicans between a rock and a hard place and to say that, okay, so here's what you have to do now.
You either have to vote against impeaching him, in which case we will go crazy on how you are complicit in the violence and all of this, or you vote to impeach him or to convict him rather, in which case you are open to be primaried now.
So they're really, you know, they are trying to push the Republicans into a political place of weakness.
And that'll be interesting to see how it happens.
But I still think that Rand Paul basically killed the conviction idea.
I could be wrong about this, but in order for them to vote to convict now, you're going to have to have a few Republicans who voted that the whole process was unconstitutional vote to convict him, which would seem to be slightly hypocritical.
If you were watching this just as a soap opera, which is in some ways the way I'm doing it.
Which is the best way.
The best way to watch it.
Yes.
Aren't you?
I feel like everyone should be a little bit annoyed with the Democrats.
Like if you looked at them as being the writer's room, we just need a Trump break.
You know, it's boring right now.
It's not fun.
It's not interesting.
We played it through.
He needs to go away for about a season and come back like next year with a new, like a new story arc.
The president and P, you know what I mean?
The story arc's over.
They're milking it.
It's not fun.
We had our season finale.
You need a little bit of a break.
You need the writers to sit down, come up with some new storylines, bring him back next year.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think so.
I think they almost don't, in a weird way, they almost don't know what to do with the story without Trump.
And this is part of the reason why I don't really think it's such a bad thing that Trump's gone.
I think that, you know, it's like the whole, this whole system was coming so unglued that the American people were willing to elect Donald Trump in 2016.
But then in a way, what kept the thing glued together was having Trump as, you know, playing the role of the villain.
And that would at least be enough to keep half the country, you know, okay, this is what loosely holds us together is that we all hate Donald Trump.
Right.
And now that Trump's gone, you're kind of back to this like weird transition.
And really, so much of the establishment is like painted themselves into a corner that they're trying to find a way to, you know, step out of this corner without getting too much paint on their feet.
Like they're in a corner, the door's over there.
Like shit, what do we do?
You know, you notice these things where like CNN had for months on the corner of CNN that every single show would be the ticker with COVID cases, COVID deaths, hospitalizations, all of these things.
And now they're like, all right, well, we can't really keep that up all the time now because now that's not really an attack on Donald Trump anymore.
So now they like.
They don't have it up all the time.
Every now and then they'll bring it up.
They're trying to walk out of this room without getting too much paint on their feet.
They've already established this narrative that if deaths are spiking or, you know, hospitalizations are spiking, then we have to blame the president.
But now the president isn't the guy they want to blame anymore.
So now they're like, oh, shit, what do we do here?
How do we like, how do we, you know, there's all these governors who are like talking about, you know, the most hardcore lockdowners are now talking about reopening, even though by their own dumb metrics that they were using, using, there's no real reason why we should open now or as opposed to, you know, months ago.
So now it's almost like, oh, shit, if Trump goes away, what do we have?
What's the narrative here?
So they're overwhelming you with this narrative of how terrible what happened on January 6th was and how, you know, evil Trump is.
And we still have to be prosecuting the case against Donald Trump.
But once this goes away, they've got a pretty tough transition on their hands.
And I think that's going to be interesting to watch.
All right.
So, yeah, my guess is that Trump won't be convicted.
How boring is this defense going to be?
They got Dershowitz working on that shit.
Because the defense should just be, hey, listen, this should be up to the voting public.
And if I want to come back here in four years, I didn't incite violence.
But they're going like with the technical arguments that you just can't impeach like a non-sitting president, which is just dumb.
They should speak.
You're the big picture guy.
They should speak to the big picture.
Well, I'm surprised.
I would have thought that Rand Paul's argument, not that argument, not the constitutional argument, which I do, to me, honestly, I think is a little bit murky.
I really don't know.
But I think the argument that's much stronger is the argument that this is a completely untenable standard.
And that if you're going to say that anytime someone uses language, even if they say it's to be peaceful, if they use any language that could inspire somebody to be violent, then they have incited that violence.
I mean, of course, this is not, this would never meet the legal standard of inciting violence.
And, you know, like that.
So it's just, they're using a standard that could be applied against just about any politician.
I mean, just about anyone could be removed from office over this, you know, level of, you know, like, again, like I said, they're using the fact that he used the word fight.
It's just, to me, this is, this is ridiculous.
So I don't know.
I would think that that would be the better argument, but that's not what they're going with.
They're going with a very technical legal argument.
It might also be the fact that they're just they're confident that the Republicans aren't going to vote to convict.
It will be.
It is political suicide for the Republicans who vote to convict.
Aside from those who are in very liberal districts, you're going to be in a lot of trouble.
This is going to be, if you were like a right-wing populist aspiring politician and you're in a red district and you see your guy vote to convict Donald Trump, you'd have to get excited over that.
I mean, that's your entire campaign right there.
You know, these guys, look at what these guys did.
They're completely with the swamp.
They voted against your guy.
Well, you're going to have Romney, maybe McConnell, and anyone else who just recently won an election that maybe wants to run for presidency and doesn't want to have to compete with him.
Yeah, but I got to say, I mean, I think it's really going to hurt your ability to run for president.
You know, 74 million people voted for Donald Trump.
A lot of them still really like Donald Trump.
And so, you know, now I think Donald Trump did hurt himself politically with all of this shit because the truth is he didn't handle it well.
You know what I mean?
Like, like there's a, there's a wide gap between he incited an insurrection and he was a bitch about it.
You know what I mean?
Like there's, so I think he hurt himself because he didn't go out with any grace or, you know what I mean?
Like he, Donald Trump kind of revealed what one of the problems with Donald Trump is, is that he's all about himself.
Even though so many of his supporters swear to death that he's all about them, he's not.
He's all about himself.
And that was obvious, I think, to a lot of people.
So I think he hurt himself, you know, politically, which is also why I think the idea that he's coming back to run and win the presidency is like so absurd.
Even though the Democrats seem to be pretty concerned about it.
But for someone to vote to convict him over that, I mean, again, like I said, as I've said many times, you can disagree.
You can think that there wasn't any fraud in the election, but Donald Trump absolutely has the right to argue that there was.
And he has the right to ask his people to protest it if he believes there was.
That's his right, you know?
And that now, of course, obviously this isn't a criminal case, but they're using the language of a criminal case, and it doesn't even come close to meeting that standard.
For Donald Trump to criminally speaking, for Donald Trump to incite violence, you would need Donald Trump saying, I want you to go storm the Capitol building by force, break the windows, assault people, kill people, like all of this.
And he didn't say anything like that.
So I don't know.
And, you know, of course, as we've talked about before, it's just, it is really something after a year that had such long sustained violent riots where so much more damage was caused, so many more people were killed.
So many more people were terrorized.
We had this one event at the Capitol that lasted a few hours.
Very sad, very tragic that the people who got hurt and died, you know, that that happened.
But the idea that this one is supposed to be so, we're really, there's absolutely, we're not even going to pretend to hold any of the politicians accountable who were stoking all of those flames over the summer where there was far more damage.
But we are going to, we are going to do this for Donald Trump.
It just reinforces what so many of us have already seen, which is, you know, that this is just a rigged system.
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Let me just say before we get into this, although it's unrelated, I know a lot of people are giving me shit because I picked Frankie Edgar and I said he was my pick of the night.
Okay, it didn't go his way.
I don't know.
He got caught.
He got caught with a rough knee.
I love Frankie Edgar.
Always been a huge fan of his.
And he got caught.
I still think if he was able to make that a fight and make it dirty, he would have had a good shot at winning it.
But you know, okay.
If you guys haven't figured out by now that I'm not that great at picking fights, I don't know what to tell you.
I'm sorry you lost money.
Don't listen to me in the future about picking fights.
But seriously, I love Frankie Edgar and I feel terrible.
He's one of the greatest of all time.
Future Hall of Famer.
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Okay, so Gina Carano was an MMA fighter.
She was like the star woman's fighter until really good female fighters started coming in.
And then she kind of handed it off to them.
But she was like, I think it was in Strike Force or Elite XC.
Yeah, the Strike Force champ.
And she was like, this before UFC let women's fighting in.
And she was there and people were like, she's the best female fighter in the world.
Then she fought Cyborg.
And then we found out Cyborg turns out is a lot better.
It was, whew, that one was rough.
Anyway, she's gone on to become like a movie star.
I guess she was in one of the Star Wars movies.
Full disclosure, I don't, I'm not a fan of the Star Wars series.
I mean, I like the original a little bit, but I'm not, I don't really, I've only watched a couple of the newer ones.
But I guess she's in them and she's in some thing on Disney.
Like it's a, yeah, Mandalorian or whatever.
She's like, so she's a big deal.
These are like very popular.
And so she made a post.
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She shared a TikTok post comparing the current political climate to, you guessed it, Nazis.
All right.
Here's her quote, Rob.
Tell me what you think about that.
The Jews got exactly what they deserved.
Wait, no, I'm sorry.
That's a different quote.
That's not, that's not Gina Carano.
That's not what she said at all.
That quote would maybe justify the reaction that we're getting.
She said that.
She said this.
She said, Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers, but by their neighbors, even by children.
Because history is edited, most people today don't realize that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews.
The government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews.
How is this any different from hating someone for their political views?
That was the comment.
Now, I will say, just judging the comment, I didn't think it was that great.
It was like, all right.
I mean, how is this any different?
Well, when you, the problem with saying this is what happened in the lead up to the Holocaust, how is this any different is that most people's minds just go to the million ways that things are different?
There's like a million different examples.
How is this any different?
We're not a war-torn country.
We weren't just humiliated on a national level.
We don't have the French army busting in and literally ripping minerals and coal out of people's hands.
We're not like, I don't know.
There's just a million ways that we're different from the Weimar Republic.
And then the really big difference is, you know, the genocide of millions of people.
That part really sticks out as a big difference.
But to be fair to her, she's talking about the lead up to the genocide, not that.
However, so feel however you feel.
It's also always a little bit lazy when people make Nazi comparisons.
It's like, there's, it's really funny that there's just like, and I feel this way on the left and the right and all between.
There's like always a million comparisons that are available, but people go to the Nazis all the time.
And the truth is that the Nazis, they're look, they're one of the most evil regimes that's ever existed.
No question about that.
They committed just brutal, horrific crimes against humanity.
And on an incredibly large scale in an incredibly short period of time.
There are leaders who have killed more people, but they weren't as efficient.
Those Germans, they know how to be efficient.
They put up numbers in a very short period of time that are staggering.
Okay.
But, you know, like if somebody in America, like particularly this is very dominant on the left, but if they want to call someone an authoritarian, they always tend to go with Nazi, you know?
You're a Nazi.
And this is just, it's part of American culture in a way.
And part of it's because it's the biggest war in American history and in human history.
And it was against the Nazis.
They were the bad, evil ones, and they lost the war.
And the winners of wars write the books.
And so, you know, if Seinfeld is doing a show about a guy selling soup who's a real dick about it, he's a soup Nazi, you know.
But just making the point, there's a lot of authoritarian regimes out there.
You know, no, no Seinfeld writer ever thought of calling him the soup Saudi or something like that.
You know, it's just the Nazis are the ones you go to.
So it's a little bit of a lazy comparison and all of this, but she has been wrecked over this.
So she was fired from Disney and from, what's his name? Star Wars Guy company.
And she's been just like this huge social media storm has been blowing up.
And what's absurd about it is that it's not as if like feel however you feel about the example.
People are calling this like racist, but she wasn't like, she's clearly on the side that what happened in the run up to the Holocaust was bad and that we don't want to be like them.
So I understand looking at the comment and feeling like it missed the mark a little bit, but there's certainly nothing to be like offended about in the comment.
The sentiment of it is don't hate your neighbor because if we're hating our neighbor, it might lead to violence.
So this is a cause, call for being nicer to other people so we don't end up being steered towards violence.
And I think what she got canceled for is that it was offensive to Jews to compare the current hatred to what happened to them.
But then why is every time you call Donald Trump Hitler or a Nazi?
Why is that not the same standard of, well, he's not.
And so that's offensive to use those terms.
So to me, this is just pretty clear that they don't want anyone to have a free thought or mind in any capacity.
And just the fact that she's saying, hey, let's not hate each other or clearly being somewhat pro-conservative, she's just been canceled.
You're not allowed to have opinions or they will cancel you.
You will not be allowed to work a job.
So if we're going to go down the road of it's offensive to Jews, by the way, we're both Jewish on this program.
You're a Nazi sympathizer, so I'm not sure that is true.
That is, I have been accused of such, even though, by the way, you know, I've never for a goddamn second in my life sympathized with Nazis.
What a fucking public.
I've hung out with you in private.
Yeah, we'll get into that some other time.
But anyway, so yeah, okay, if you want to say it's offensive to Jews, I'll tell you as a Jew, I didn't find this offensive.
I didn't find it brilliant, but I didn't find it offensive.
Then fine, you could say that anytime anyone compares anything to Nazi Germany, it's offensive to Jews.
But as you pointed out, then that's got to go both ways.
And there's a whole lot of Nazi comparisons that go on.
CNN should probably be canceled.
Yeah, like 80% of Trump's critics should be canceled if that's the standard we're going to use.
But yeah, it's really something that, especially with the backdrop of as you have all of these incredibly powerful people talking about domestic terrorisms and domestic terrorism and domestic extremism and all of these Trump supporters and how we have to target them.
And her whole thing is just being like, hey, don't hating your neighbor is what was like at the core of the lead up to the Holocaust.
And we don't want to do that.
Let's not hate people based on their political views and all of this stuff.
I mean, the spirit of the message is good.
That seems pretty undeniable to me.
And it really is something that they're kind of proving her point, right?
I mean, I'm not saying they're proving her point that it's the same as the lead up to the Holocaust, but they're certainly proving her point about intolerance of different opinions.
I mean, she didn't even come out and say, hey, I'm a Trump supporter or hey, I'm this.
That's at least that's not the comment they're getting her for, right?
What did she, what did she say?
Just that you shouldn't hate people for having different political opinions.
And that's enough to get you canceled?
That's enough to get you fired from all of this shit.
Man, that is a really, that really to me represents like a deep problem in our society, in our culture, that you're, you would get fired from these huge corporate, from these huge corporate gigs, these huge movies and acting roles over such a, you know, benign comment.
And, and of course, it's what's obvious to everyone is the clear double standard that it's like you could say something.
If you were on the left, you could say something, you know, a hundred thousand times more inflammatory and have no fear of losing your job.
So hopefully, and what I do guess will come of this is that this will, you know, end up kind of making her bigger and a bigger name and a bunch of people now.
Now, no, I think you got to, I think she was in the blessed camp for a minute there, where you're in a series like The Mandalorian.
I mean, how many women are there out there?
She's not that good of an actor.
She's fine.
She's fun.
She's, but how many strong looking women are there out there that can throw that one kick?
And it's, you know what I mean?
They made Charlie Starone look like a superhero and whatever they're like, you know what I mean?
They can make anyone look like they're an action star.
I think those are really, those are like winning the lottery when you get into that system and you're getting.
That's it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, she's not writing and producing her own stuff.
She's not like a comic where it's like, all right, fine.
You don't like Louie.
It's like, you don't want to work with me?
Fine.
I got an audience.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, you're probably right about that.
As, you know, as I think about it, all right.
You convinced me.
I mean, she was trending on Twitter.
That's pretty cool.
I guess it's not as cool as getting millions of dollars.
Six months.
She'll be like, you know what they didn't have in Nazi Germany?
Pornos.
That's what they didn't have.
They didn't have enough of them.
If they didn't have to be such sicks about that, maybe we could have done something here.
Well, anyway, it's just, it does seem like just, oh, see, I'm literally just checking what's trending right now.
And it's just Holocaust with a picture of her face on it.
That really is just unbelievable.
I will say there is a lot of pushback on social media against what happened to her.
You mean against her being fired?
Yeah.
Well, this one, to me, I can't think of it.
Whoa, she's been banned.
Oh, okay.
Hold on.
No, I'm sorry.
That was a joke.
Sorry.
Go ahead.
I can't see of a more flagrant example of what just seems to be clear censorship of, hey, if you're, you know, not playing absolute allegiance to this, you will not be allowed to work here.
And isn't it, doesn't it kind of like seem to at least in some way contradict the narrative that like, you know, the Trump's like, like they'll on one hand say, you know, Trump supporters are a bunch of like white nationalist Holocaust deniers or something like that.
And then you have someone say like, oh, you know, what happened in the Holocaust was like really, really horrible and we don't want to be like that at all.
And they're like, that typical.
You can't say that.
You're like, but isn't that, isn't that, like, if you were right, like if you were, excuse me one second, sorry.
But if you were like a, um, a hardcore, you know, whatever neo-Nazi or something like that, wouldn't you be offended by that statement for like a whole different reason?
Like, wouldn't you be offended by that?
That they're saying like, I don't know, whatever, everything that happened in Nazi Germany was so horrible.
We don't want to be anything like that.
And you'd be like, no, it was great.
We want to be just like that or something.
I don't know what exactly the neo-Nazi position would be, but it certainly wouldn't be what Gina Carano just said, right?
Like that definitely wouldn't be the position.
It's a really goofy world.
It needs the ADL to actually get out there and go, this was not offensive.
And we'd like to focus on things that are actually offensive so that, you know, we can police what is a problem.
Well, good luck.
Good luck with that.
I wouldn't hold my breath for the ADL to take this one on, but that would, that would be really great.
That would be really great.
Some of the other Jews to be a little less Jewish.
Just show up and go, you know what, we whine and complain about a bunch of things, but this one actually not offensive.
And wouldn't don't you kind of feel like, right, like even like as a Jew, right?
Even if your interest is to be critical of people who say things that are really like inflammatory to hating Jews or something like that, right?
Like if you were one of those groups, like if your goal wasn't just control, you know, and your goal wasn't just to like shut down dissenting opinions, but if you really cared about like anti-Semitism being, you know, like spread and you wanted to go after people who were spreading it, wouldn't you be like, this is so stupid and counterproductive to go after her for saying this because there was nothing anti-Jewish about what she said.
What she was saying was it was really horrible what happened to those people over there.
And I see a similarity here.
Now you can think that's a sloppy comparison or something like that, but that's that's fireworthy.
Like that's really?
I bet we should all start being meaner to our neighbors.
I think that's the lesson here from Disney.
That's actually, maybe that's a point we should come say.
I just be like, hey, we should all start being meaner to our neighbors because this is nothing like the Holocaust.
So just start spitting on people as they walk out of their house.
What a weird thing.
And you know what's really weird too is that at least at the higher levels of the Democrats, like Biden himself and people, they talk all this shit about unity.
And it did seem like that was kind of what her message was, right?
It was kind of like, hey, here's a group we all hate, the Nazis.
Let's all hate them together and let's not hate each other.
Again, I didn't think it was the most brilliant comment ever, but to think it was like fucking something that you should get fired over, it just, it really shows how crazy this whole thing is, how much it's spun out of control.
And it's funny because, right, like the irony of it is that if you ever said anything like kind about the Nazis, that would obviously get you fired in a heartbeat.
But then also if you say, hey, fuck the Nazis, now that'll get you fired because it's insensitive to bring up the Nazis.
It's a, what a weird, weird world we live in.
I think strategically, unless you work in politics or make money off your political opinions, don't have them.
Well, you can certainly have them if they're the right one.
If they're the approved progressive politics, shout them from the rooftops because that'll do nothing but get you in Hollywood.
But, you know, you're probably right.
I'd like to see a lot more people follow that advice.
I like being the guy who cares about politics.
I want to care about politics and I want everyone who listens to the show to care about politics.
But everyone else, I think, should just shut up about it.
What do you think she was thinking when she typed that up?
She was like, man, I bet you even thought it was going to get her some woke points.
She's calling someone, let's be nice to each other.
This is going to be great.
I can't wait to see everyone from the cast of Star Wars tomorrow and tell them about my awesome Instagram post.
And then she's like, huh?
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What's going on?
And then she's like, all right, I'm going to go take a shit and then come back and check my phone.
She comes back and she's like, what?
I'm trending number one, fired from everything.
Yeah, that was probably, that probably sucks.
It's unfortunate that that happened to her.
There's got to be more of a backlash against this, man.
There's just got to be more of like a demand that people are like, hey, we don't want to live in this world anymore where people aren't allowed to think or they're not allowed to think.
They're not allowed to speak.
You can't say anything that might be out of bounds.
Even something like this, that's like clearly had good intent behind it.
So anyway, if you're a conservative actress, the only way you're going to be able to make money is by selling muff shots on OnlyFans.