Part Of The Problem - Dave Smith - Part Of YOUR Problem  w/ Michael Malice
Aired: 2021-01-21
Duration: 01:06:55


=== Silver Lining in Chaos (15:02) ===

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[00:01:11]  We need to roll back the state.
[00:01:13]  We spy on all of our own citizens.
[00:01:15]  Our prisons are flooded with nonviolent drug offenders.
[00:01:19]  If you want to know who America's next enemy is, look at who we're funding right now.
[00:01:24]  Every single one of these problems are a result of government being way too big.
[00:01:29]  You're listening to part of the problem on the Gas Digital Network.
[00:01:33]  Here's your host, James Smith.
[00:01:36]  Hello, hello, everybody.
[00:01:39]  Welcome to a brand new edition of your problem.
[00:01:44]  Welcome.
[00:01:45]  The great collaboration continues.
[00:01:48]  I am joined by the incomparable Michael Malice.
[00:01:53]  How are you, sir?
[00:01:54]  We should do a clip show one day, like on the sitcoms when they had to have like 22 episodes.
[00:01:59]  And then, like, some of those episodes are like, hey, remember that time when we were like robbed at gunpoint and they just showed like a five-minute clip.
[00:02:06]  So the actors only had to do 10 minutes of work.
[00:02:08]  Yeah, that's it, just us.
[00:02:09]  And I'll be like, over the collaborations, we've had a lot of goofy moments, including these hijinks that cuts back to something.
[00:02:17]  You know, we have to tusk our hair long and living in quarantine.
[00:02:21]  Oh, it always, yeah, the Seinfeld.
[00:02:24]  It starts with a, hey, didn't notice you there.
[00:02:27]  I'm just sitting here reading, you know, reading Dear Reader or something.
[00:02:31]  Oh, hey.
[00:02:32]  Oh, hey, you guys, you snuck up on me when I broadcasted this to everybody.
[00:02:39]  So we are, as we're recording this, we're moments away from Joe Biden being inaugurated.
[00:02:50]  So, yeah, here's how Trump can still win.
[00:02:54]  Here's how Hillary can still become president.
[00:02:56]  So, here is how Bernie Sanders, here's how Bernie Sanders' Ron Paul ticket can still make it in there.
[00:03:03]  It was, so Donald Trump, I don't know if you saw this morning, he left.
[00:03:08]  Yeah.
[00:03:09]  He left the White House.
[00:03:10]  And I got to say, it really evoked a feeling out of me.
[00:03:18]  Not like a positive or negative, just this kind of surreal feeling.
[00:03:23]  Like, it's like, was this all a dream?
[00:03:25]  And just like that, he just goes, all right, peace.
[00:03:29]  I'm getting on a plane.
[00:03:30]  I'm going back to Florida.
[00:03:31]  It felt so surreal that Donald Trump was actually the president.
[00:03:36]  And now I like have a tough time believing he's not.
[00:03:40]  I'm not feeling that at all.
[00:03:42]  I really look.
[00:03:45]  I think I shat myself.
[00:03:48]  I'm feeling excited about the next year.
[00:03:56]  I am just stunned by how many people who I like and respect genuinely think that like Joe Biden is going to destroy this country.
[00:04:06]  Like Joe Biden can't destroy hard food.
[00:04:10]  And they're like, I'm not scared of Joe Biden.
[00:04:12]  I'm scared who's behind him.
[00:04:14]  Who's behind him has been there through the Trump years.
[00:04:17]  Like Trump has not been efficacious at taking down.
[00:04:22]  Like, I mean, Syria is the best example of this.
[00:04:24]  Like, they're like, yeah, we lied to him.
[00:04:26]  And then the media is like, it's so funny that they are lying to the commander-in-chief pony.
[00:04:29]  Troops are there.
[00:04:30]  So this has not changed.
[00:04:32]  Like, he's done a decent job at like pulling back the curtain, but the enemy class has been there the whole time.
[00:04:40]  Yeah, I've been, I've been very hard on Trump.
[00:04:43]  I mean, I've been hard on Trump throughout the four years.
[00:04:46]  Although to, I guess, to be completely fair, I've spent more time criticizing his enemies because, number one, it's more important when everybody else is always criticizing the dumb thing Donald Trump said, where you're like, yeah, yeah, but that's not actually what matters.
[00:05:02]  What matters is what's over here.
[00:05:04]  And also that I, I think the murdering.
[00:05:07]  Yeah, the murdering is kind of what's important.
[00:05:10]  And that's actually what I've criticized Trump for the most.
[00:05:13]  But also because even though I know this seems counterintuitive to a lot of people, I think that actually there are way more entrenched powers than Donald Trump was over the last year.
[00:05:24]  And to your point, the people in the military industrial complex lying to him about the amount of troops in Syria.
[00:05:30]  I mean, there's actually, it's very debatable that the president actually outranks these people in terms of power.
[00:05:36]  And of course, I mean, you could make an argument that the Federal Reserve chairman is the most powerful position in America.
[00:05:42]  I mean, or chairwoman.
[00:05:44]  That is true.
[00:05:45]  That is true.
[00:05:46]  But I don't know how Janet Yellen identifies.
[00:05:50]  So I don't know what she, I don't, I want to be open about this.
[00:05:53]  Man is the neutral term.
[00:05:54]  I think, I think she identifies as a thirst trap.
[00:05:59]  I always identified her as a thief.
[00:06:02]  But, you know, to each their own.
[00:06:06]  But so I have, but I have been very critical of Donald Trump lately, particularly with his way he's condemned his own supporters, the way he went out like such a bitch, the way he didn't do any of the good pardons that we were hoping for.
[00:06:23]  I mean, I'm glad Lil Wayne's coming home, but I was really hoping for Snowden or Assange, you know, and declassifying all the stuff he said he was going to do.
[00:06:30]  None of it, you know, and it's almost like once the music stops playing is when you go like, oh, okay.
[00:06:36]  So there was really none of the silver lining there that some of us could have maybe even hoped for.
[00:06:42]  Not hoping that Donald Trump was going to be something other than what he was, but maybe just for his own small petty reasons, he would have done it just to, you know, throw sand in the face of his enemies.
[00:06:53]  So I've been very hard on Donald Trump lately, and it's been interesting to see some of the pushback.
[00:07:00]  And even like when I was on Tim Poole's show, by the way, thank you for the recommendation.
[00:07:05]  That was a pleasure.
[00:07:06]  It was a fun time.
[00:07:07]  It was earned.
[00:07:08]  Yeah.
[00:07:08]  Well, thank you.
[00:07:09]  I agree.
[00:07:10]  But so he, I was going really hard at him at one point.
[00:07:13]  And I think I pissed off some of his listeners.
[00:07:16]  But even at one point, you know, Tim, they were talking about the peace deals that he's worked on.
[00:07:21]  And it was like, you know, he said something, someone said something was like, well, Bolton's the one who ruined the peace deal in North Korea.
[00:07:29]  And I go, okay.
[00:07:30]  So that's on Trump.
[00:07:32]  I mean, Trump appointed him to National Security Advisor.
[00:07:34]  It's not like any of us knew.
[00:07:35]  You know, can you imagine if I get audited because I hired Lewis to be my accountant?
[00:07:39]  It's not Lewis's fault.
[00:07:41]  Right, right.
[00:07:41]  No, you cannot blame Lewis.
[00:07:43]  It's like you gave him a piece of paper and a pen.
[00:07:45]  You were the adult in the room.
[00:07:47]  It's on you.
[00:07:48]  But that's, but that's exactly right.
[00:07:50]  And it's not, and it's not as if, like, oh man, it turns out Bolton wanted war more than he wanted peace.
[00:07:55]  None of us could have seen this come.
[00:07:56]  Like you knew who he was.
[00:07:58]  He was the caricature of the Warhawk.
[00:08:00]  And so the idea of people being like, oh, it's not Biden.
[00:08:03]  It's the people behind Biden.
[00:08:05]  Well, I'm sorry, but tell me who could be much worse than John Bolton as national security advisor, you know, Mike Pompeo as secretary of state.
[00:08:13]  I mean, these are the worst appointments you could imagine.
[00:08:17]  These are the people who are behind Trump.
[00:08:18]  So I don't know if you're getting me scared of the people behind Joe Biden.
[00:08:22]  Yes, you should be, but compared to what?
[00:08:25]  I mean, you know, we've already been living through that.
[00:08:29]  Go ahead, go ahead.
[00:08:31]  Well, I was just going to say, I remember very clearly in 2017 when he was getting inaugurated, none of us had any idea what this was going to look like in real life.
[00:08:42]  We had no clue, you know, like it could have run the gamut.
[00:08:45]  My money was on that he would be kind of a Schwarzenegger figure.
[00:08:48]  Governor Schwarzenegger came in, same kind of swagger.
[00:08:51]  You know, he was calling his opponents girly men and, you know, he got pushed back from that.
[00:08:55]  And he ended up being like a crappy, mediocre governor, right?
[00:08:58]  Like, and I, but it wasn't really ruffling feathers in any of his policy.
[00:09:01]  It was just more his personality, which he quickly pulled back.
[00:09:04]  And that's where I thought it was going to go.
[00:09:07]  And I am very excited for 2021 because I don't think, I don't understand how people don't appreciate this.
[00:09:17]  I don't think the cathedral's been as bad of a spot ever.
[00:09:20]  I don't think there's been as many people who are onto their antics.
[00:09:24]  I spent the last week in the Midwest in rural Illinois, and they are the level, it was like talking to like, like, like Mises group because they are so radicalized against what's going on in Washington, against the CNNs and the New York Times.
[00:09:44]  Like they perfectly understand, and these are boomers, boomer cons.
[00:09:48]  They perfectly understand these people are evil.
[00:09:50]  They perfectly understand they want to kill your children.
[00:09:53]  They perfectly understand this is all a bunch of crap where they will say what they need to say in order to get you to do what they want.
[00:10:00]  And to have that happen is shocking.
[00:10:02]  Something else I am looking forward to when Andrew Cuomo, governor of New York, who is just like some of the worst of the worst, like the day after the election, practically, he's like, he just starts sounding like Ron DeSantis.
[00:10:17]  He goes, well, you can't lock people up forever.
[00:10:19]  Like it was like Monday is like, all right, we're getting the second wave and the British variant of coronavirus is coming.
[00:10:26]  We're really going to have to just have people like in solitary confinement.
[00:10:29]  And then Biden passes.
[00:10:31]  He goes, well, we can't have these lockdowns forever.
[00:10:33]  I think we've really got to open up.
[00:10:35]  It was so brazen and shameless, but that's good.
[00:10:38]  It's good that now they are going to start talking about pulling back the lockdowns and being like, if there's any possibility of that, I am hopeful for it.
[00:10:47]  Yeah.
[00:10:47]  They better start doing that.
[00:10:49]  I'm just going to say one thing.
[00:10:50]  They better start doing that because these people are playing a very dangerous game with tens of millions of people who are marginalized and radicalized and who are going to have increasingly nothing to lose.
[00:11:02]  Yeah, I agree with you.
[00:11:04]  So I think that aspect is like a real silver lining and something to be cautiously optimistic about.
[00:11:12]  You've seen, it's also, I thought that the Newsweek running that piece about that big Stanford peer-reviewed study that basically concluded there was no discernible benefit from lockdowns as opposed to voluntary measures.
[00:11:28]  Now, there's lots of studies out there.
[00:11:30]  This was one of the bigger ones, but the fact that Newsweek ran that is, yeah, this isn't just a coincidence.
[00:11:36]  Like these things don't, they decide what stories they want to run and when they want to run them.
[00:11:41]  And that was, you know, encouraging that at least maybe.
[00:11:45]  Now, the thing is that they need an exit plan.
[00:11:49]  And in many ways, you want there to be a door open for them because they're not going to be able to say, okay, we were wrong about everything.
[00:11:57]  We destroyed the economy.
[00:11:58]  We destroyed people's lives.
[00:11:59]  We're responsible for the dead people in nursing homes and the suicides and all of this shit.
[00:12:04]  But let's move on.
[00:12:05]  So they have to have a door open for them.
[00:12:07]  So they're going to need two or three months of some type of new proposal, whether it's a stupid mask mandate or whatever, that they can then claim they got it.
[00:12:16]  Trump got out.
[00:12:18]  We got serious.
[00:12:19]  We fucking, you know what I mean?
[00:12:20]  We did what we needed to do.
[00:12:21]  And that's why we can reopen everything now.
[00:12:23]  So they're going to have to, you know what I mean, like do that.
[00:12:26]  Yeah, I think that's, and the thing is, when there's increasing numbers of people who are calling out their schemes even before they implement them, and then they have to follow suit because there's only so many tools that they have.
[00:12:39]  That is another very useful mechanism to deconstructing the tools of manipulation that the corporate press uses for the country.
[00:12:47]  And that's the other thing.
[00:12:48]  Like I had a buddy of mine, like who's into fitness.
[00:12:52]  He was, he messaged me yesterday and he was all bummed about, you know, Biden being president, blah, blah, blah.
[00:12:58]  And I go, okay, you're like a lot more jacked than me.
[00:13:00]  Should I be upset?
[00:13:01]  And he's like, what?
[00:13:02]  Like, he was like, what are you talking about?
[00:13:04]  I go, then why is your happiness a function of who's in the White House?
[00:13:08]  That is so crazy.
[00:13:11]  Now, we should, of course, be concerned about creeping totalitarianism, but there's a lot of creeping totalitarianism under Trump.
[00:13:18]  And I don't mean as a function of Trump.
[00:13:20]  I mean as a reaction to Trump.
[00:13:22]  They were more than happy to be like, all right, we're going to have to do this, this.
[00:13:25]  We should be very, very happy.
[00:13:27]  Let's take a deep breath and look at what happened with Parler.
[00:13:30]  This is wonderful.
[00:13:32]  It's not one.
[00:13:32]  I'm sorry.
[00:13:33]  It's the resolution was not ideal, but certainly like telling because they're like, all right, like it's go time.
[00:13:42]  We have to reestablish monopoly control of all conversation happening on earth, right?
[00:13:48]  That is their explicit goal.
[00:13:50]  Now they're going to coach it in terms of, well, if there's some kind of social network where we can't control everything, then terrorism is going to happen, right?
[00:13:58]  Even though we have the NSA for that, supposedly, but that's fine.
[00:14:02]  And they kicked off Parlor.
[00:14:04]  And Parler was characterized in the media as, you know, basically a Klan rally, even though it's like Dan Bonino and all these bootcams, whatever.
[00:14:12]  And they were successful about it.
[00:14:14]  And the thing is, these kind of blue NPCs, they have two mechanisms.
[00:14:20]  It's gloating or it's kind of rage or like fear.
[00:14:26]  Because then it's like, hey, you guys, you could just go to Parlor.
[00:14:28]  Oh, wait, laughing emoji.
[00:14:30]  And then it's like, Parla's back up.
[00:14:32]  Oh, my God.
[00:14:32]  This is not, oh, blah, blah, blah, blah.
[00:14:34]  Like we shut you down.
[00:14:35]  How are you allowing this?
[00:14:36]  So the fact that Parler was able to get itself reestablished is wonderful, but it's also wonderful in the long term because now the people who know what how they work are going to be putting mechanisms into place to make sure they can't pull this crap again.
[00:14:54]  It's going to be a long fight.
[00:14:57]  But the thing is, they only have like a very limited amount of tools, which is try to ban you.

=== Attempt to Ban Conservatives (15:43) ===

[00:15:03]  There's not even really this attempt.
[00:15:04]  Like I was asking myself, if I was the Joe Biden administration or the media, how would I like try to calm things down?
[00:15:12]  And everything that they're doing, in my view, is making it worse for them and for the country in terms of radicalization, escalation, and so on and so forth.
[00:15:21]  I would, you know, appoint some rando Republicans and give them no power and just completely marginalize them because that will take a large part of these angry Republicans and make them feel to some extent.
[00:15:34]  It's going to be hard because there's no trust.
[00:15:36]  But I was like, okay, what little things could I do if I were to?
[00:15:39]  But I think you might have, I think you might have really hit the nail on the head with that little aside comment that it's going to be hard because there's no trust.
[00:15:46]  Think that they have to some degree accurately assessed that and that they realize that there is no pulling these 74 million people back in.
[00:15:56]  That's I've been talking about this a bit lately, but it seems, and this is something that I've been a little bit surprised on in the last four years, not just recently.
[00:16:05]  But usually, the way the establishment in this country has worked, the way the cathedral has worked, is that they do their best to engulf the dissenters.
[00:16:15]  They kind of pull everybody back in.
[00:16:18]  Things like a really good example of this is like the church hearings in the 70s.
[00:16:22]  Okay, after Vietnam, after the Pentagon papers, all of this stuff, people are aware of the CIA's targeted assassination programs.
[00:16:29]  There's a lot of people who are just kind of like, well, this is out of control.
[00:16:32]  What do you mean we have a shadow government?
[00:16:34]  What do you mean?
[00:16:34]  You got to think in the late 60s, this is only 20 years after the creation of the CIA.
[00:16:39]  This is still a new thing to America.
[00:16:41]  It's still very much in their head to be like, yeah, why don't we get rid of this thing?
[00:16:44]  We don't need to have this.
[00:16:46]  You know what I mean?
[00:16:46]  Like, you could still see people.
[00:16:48]  So, what they do is they have these hearings.
[00:16:50]  We expose, you know, 10% of what they're doing.
[00:16:53]  We say we're going to rein in the power.
[00:16:55]  Oh, we have these checks and balances.
[00:16:57]  Go back to sleep.
[00:16:58]  Don't worry about it.
[00:16:58]  And even feel victorious.
[00:17:00]  Feel like, hey, we got something done.
[00:17:02]  We can get all that.
[00:17:03]  Now, what you would think is that after Trump rising up, you'd have a bunch of these people who would be saying, all right, there's like 70 million people who really care about immigration being restricted.
[00:17:17]  So what we're going to say is like, look, we don't want to build a wall, but you make a really good point.
[00:17:22]  We will crack down on immigration.
[00:17:24]  We will do X, Y, and Z to make sure that this happens.
[00:17:26]  But you know, a wall is too much.
[00:17:28]  So like, come back and let me peel some of your supporters off.
[00:17:30]  They're not doing that.
[00:17:31]  They're going, illegal immigrants should get free health care.
[00:17:34]  They're going completely the opposite direction, saying, fuck you.
[00:17:38]  We don't want to pull you.
[00:17:39]  And I think part of that might be just an honest assessment that they go, this can't be controlled.
[00:17:45]  We can't pull this back in.
[00:17:47]  Now, the scary part of all that is that what they're moving toward now is to crush the movement.
[00:17:52]  And Donald Trump's movement, this isn't like crushing a little, like, oh, we want to crush Timothy McVeigh's movement or something.
[00:17:58]  Or the Charlottesville people.
[00:17:59]  Yeah.
[00:17:59]  Yeah.
[00:18:00]  This is a movement of 74 million Americans.
[00:18:03]  Which increased over four years.
[00:18:04]  Yeah, that's right.
[00:18:05]  Yeah.
[00:18:06]  And so they now, and this is why you've seen, and you know, I know you noticed this within the cathedral, there'll be these little talking points that get repeated by everybody.
[00:18:16]  And it's very like, hey, why'd you choose that word?
[00:18:19]  Like, why is everyone saying the same word?
[00:18:22]  Yes, the New York Times and CNN and Nancy Pelosi and all these people are saying, and the word they've been saying, Nancy Pelosi, James Comey, Don Lemon, a bunch of different people have been saying a 9-11 style commission to determine who domestic terrorists are.
[00:18:40]  And there is a lot of talk already.
[00:18:41]  Like, do they need a cover up?
[00:18:43]  Yeah, right, exactly.
[00:18:47]  Just like blank pages because it's the Saudis and you this page intentionally left blank and this one.
[00:18:55]  Well, so, but that's, but this is what they're talking about.
[00:18:57]  And this to me is the creepiest part and the thing we have to be concerned about the most is that they have, it seems to me that they have determined that this movement cannot be incorporated and must be crushed.
[00:19:10]  And that I think is what a lot of people are going to be moving toward over this next year.
[00:19:14]  So to me, that's the biggest fear.
[00:19:15]  Like the biggest silver lining is the stuff about backing off the lockdowns.
[00:19:19]  The biggest fear is trying to crush dissident voices and this label of domestic terrorist, which has now become very popular within the cathedral, is something I think that we should be appropriately concerned about.
[00:19:36]  I don't see how this doesn't backfire.
[00:19:38]  And here's my metric.
[00:19:40]  If Ben Shapiro sees through these things and calls them out for what they are immediately, like I'm not being sarcastic, like if Ben gets it, then I'm like, okay, I'm not concerned that his like boomer audience is going to get it as well.
[00:19:54]  And him and Matt Walsh, and I'm sure other people from the Daily Wire, and I have no beef with those guys.
[00:19:59]  I disagree with them a lot, but I, you know, I have no particular animus.
[00:20:04]  They're like, make no doubt what this is.
[00:20:07]  This is an attempt to make it illegal to be a conservative.
[00:20:11]  So if they were calling this out day one, as these hearings have are not very efficacious, in my view, of persuading anyone of anything.
[00:20:22]  They're just there for people to grandstand.
[00:20:24]  And that goes when the Republicans do it too.
[00:20:26]  We remember during the Kavanaugh hearings and Lindsey Graham was blowing his top and the head of the Senate Judiciary Committee, I forget his name is already Chuck Rassley, I think it was, was like, oh my God, this is outrageous.
[00:20:37]  And Julie Swetnik is just brazenly lying about these, you know, multiple gang rapes.
[00:20:41]  And if you were like a Republican, you sat there, you're like, these guys are pissed.
[00:20:45]  And I believe that they were, sure.
[00:20:47]  And there's going to be consequences.
[00:20:49]  There were no consequences.
[00:20:52]  Now, obviously, part of this is going to be a chilling attempt to kind of silence and get people scared.
[00:20:58]  But I think a lot of these people are already scared.
[00:21:01]  I think they already think, wait a minute, I'm in an environment where simply because I voted for Trump or don't hate him, I'm going to get fired.
[00:21:10]  This is not a tenable state of affairs.
[00:21:13]  And for some, it's going to be, it's going to be bell curve.
[00:21:15]  Some people are like, you know what, screw this.
[00:21:16]  I'm just not going to care about politics or the battles lost.
[00:21:19]  But some people are like, hell no, I'm a U.S. American.
[00:21:23]  I have my right to vote for whatever I want.
[00:21:25]  You are not pulling this crap.
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[00:22:18]  One of the things I really disagree with, Stephen Miller read Steez on Twitter, who's just absolutely hilarious.
[00:22:24]  Like he was claiming that, and I think a lot of conservatives think this, the next four years, CNN is going to be talking about Trump, I don't think that's true.
[00:22:32]  They forgot about George W. Bush, who was previously the worst president in history, with that one with good reason.
[00:22:39]  That they forgot about him really quickly.
[00:22:42]  So at a certain point, when someone's not there and he's not there on Twitter, it's really hard to have them as a whipping boy when they're not on the screen.
[00:22:50]  Well, particularly, that is an aspect that I hadn't thought about that might backfire on them.
[00:22:54]  Not having him on Twitter makes it harder to make him a whipping boy because you can't keep pointing to the latest thing that he just said and how damaging that is to the country and all of this stuff.
[00:23:03]  So that's that's a very interesting point.
[00:23:04]  I will say that there is a there's a pretty substantial difference between George W. Bush and Donald Trump, even if they played a somewhat similar role in the media.
[00:23:13]  And the real difference is that George W. Bush was of the establishment and for the establishment.
[00:23:19]  And whereas Donald Trump really did something that you're not allowed to do.
[00:23:23]  Donald Trump did not have the approved people behind the scenes tell him he could run for president and it was his turn.
[00:23:30]  And he did it anyway.
[00:23:31]  And he did it when it was Jeb Bush's turn.
[00:23:33]  And he did and like he and he also gave them the middle finger, all this stuff you're not supposed to do.
[00:23:38]  But I think to the point that you were making earlier, I think what's hard for a lot of people.
[00:23:44]  And I understand this to because this is kind of the nature of the game.
[00:23:47]  And as anarchists, I think it's something that we really have to appreciate and that too many anarchists who are interested in these ideas fall into this thing where they're like giving people a hard time for not knowing as much about philosophy or politics as we do, where it's like, look, we don't think any of this shit should exist to begin with.
[00:24:06]  So you shouldn't have contempt for anybody who doesn't know anything about this.
[00:24:10]  And the truth is, most people, me and you are in a very unique position where this is basically our job.
[00:24:16]  This is our career is to talk about all of this stuff.
[00:24:19]  And in your case, write about all of this stuff.
[00:24:21]  And in my case, talk more.
[00:24:24]  But the truth is that most people have like a nine to five job that they have to, that's their life.
[00:24:34]  Then they have a family.
[00:24:35]  Then they have this and that.
[00:24:36]  They have their hobbies.
[00:24:37]  And then they have like, I don't know, maybe at most like an hour a week to really devote to thinking about any of this shit.
[00:24:43]  And so superficial gestures end up becoming a big deal.
[00:24:49]  Oh, we got this superficial gesture.
[00:24:51]  Okay, I guess we're winning.
[00:24:52]  I don't really have the time to understand everything that's underneath it.
[00:24:55]  And everybody in the establishment being furious in 2016 was this the ultimate gesture.
[00:25:03]  I mean, the ultimate gesture, watching Rachel Maddow cry and Jenkins lose his shit and Hillary Clinton just, I mean, and look, for me too, Hillary Clinton sitting at the inauguration in 2016 was like the most fucking beautiful thing I've ever seen in my life.
[00:25:15]  Like her just having to sit there because she was the former first lady.
[00:25:18]  She had to be there and she just sits there watching Donald Trump still bash her in his inauguration speech.
[00:25:25]  And now that's taken away from them.
[00:25:28]  And now the establishment gets their ultimate gesture, which is really what this today, which might be happening already right now, is going to be for them, is that it is going to be Barack Obama, Michelle Obama, George Bush, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton sitting there as Joe Biden is sworn in and Kamala Harris is sworn in.
[00:25:49]  And this is their establishment recapturing the sacred office, the highest office in the land.
[00:25:56]  And I think that burns for a lot of people.
[00:25:58]  And they're like, fuck, we really lost this one.
[00:26:02]  But I think that me and you would just challenge those people to just think a little bit deeper about it and understand that the gesture itself, while it might be fun, is completely meaningless.
[00:26:13]  This means it means nothing to you that Jank Uger was crying in 2016.
[00:26:18]  Like this doesn't, this did nothing to help your life.
[00:26:21]  I was arguing with a libertarian.
[00:26:23]  I had a debate with this libertarian, Eric Brakely, really good guy, who's a Republican, but we were kind of arguing whether libertarians should support the Republican Party or not.
[00:26:32]  And I was just kind of making the point that it's like, you know, you can say there's this populist wing in the movement in the Republican Party and all this, and that Donald Trump got in.
[00:26:40]  But I go, if you're actually looking at the prospects for liberty, like, excuse me, I've been locked in my house for most of this year.
[00:26:48]  Don't tell me about, well, I'm not saying blame Donald Trump for it.
[00:26:50]  I'm just saying that the Trump experiment did not at all ensure, like, not even, it's not even like you go, oh, we were going 100 miles per hour toward tyranny and now we're 95.
[00:27:00]  If we were going 100, we're going 300 miles per hour right now.
[00:27:03]  So, what victory did we actually get in our lives out of a Trump presidency?
[00:27:08]  This is all just meaningless token gestures.
[00:27:11]  I really disagree.
[00:27:13]  I think the big victory is people are aware that they're at war, that there is an enemy.
[00:27:19]  They know who the enemy is.
[00:27:21]  And I think that's major.
[00:27:24]  Oh, yeah, no.
[00:27:24]  Okay.
[00:27:25]  So let me just, just to be clear, I don't disagree with that.
[00:27:27]  I think that that is important.
[00:27:29]  And it was important that the veil was lifted from a lot of these institutions, the deep state particularly, the corporate press specifically.
[00:27:38]  So I think there was value in that.
[00:27:40]  I'm the point that I'm making is Donald Trump actually being in the Oval Office in terms of policy.
[00:27:47]  What did that actually do for us?
[00:27:49]  But I do agree with your point.
[00:27:51]  I remember I was on Stu Bergere show.
[00:27:52]  Stu is Glenn Beck's co-host.
[00:27:55]  And, you know, we were kind of talking about this.
[00:27:57]  And, you know, we're talking, I was, you know, kind of bashing conservatism as I was wont to do.
[00:28:02]  And he's like, yeah, he, he completely unapologetically, I think it's different because he's not talking to Democrat because he was talking to me, but he goes, yeah, I can't pretend that there's any concept of fiscal responsibility in either party.
[00:28:13]  He's like, this is, I'm not going to sit here and just, you know, whatever.
[00:28:15]  He's like, it's ridiculous.
[00:28:17]  And we remember very much Thomas Massey being like, if we're going to vote for like $50 trillion in spending, can we at least have a vote instead of a voice vote?
[00:28:25]  They're like, you're a seditionist.
[00:28:27]  You want people to die.
[00:28:30]  You want everyone starving.
[00:28:31]  He's like, a vote's going to take literally three minutes.
[00:28:33]  They're like, okay, there, Hitler.
[00:28:36]  It's unbelievable.
[00:28:37]  It's really unbelievable.
[00:28:38]  And you realize so much of this.
[00:28:39]  Like, I know that the talk about like government spending and balanced budgets and stuff like that, it's kind of, it's just comes off as policy wonkery, you know, which I understand.
[00:28:51]  And especially when you're in the middle of this kind of cold, hot culture war and there's all this shit going on.
[00:28:56]  People, it just, it naturally just draws people's attention.
[00:28:59]  And then if you're like the libertarian in the side who's going like, well, yeah, but the rate of expansion of the federal budget is unsustainable.
[00:29:05]  It's kind of like boring and all this.
[00:29:06]  But it is worth noting that that is the real source of all of this government power, which is the source of all of the fucking problems.
[00:29:14]  Like that's the fucking, that's the main head of the beast that if you cut off all the other heads just kind of fucking die.
[00:29:20]  And by the way, is the source of the whole culture war to begin with.
[00:29:23]  It's the fact that government's gotten so big and so powerful.
[00:29:25]  And now you almost have to fight a culture war over who gets to be in control of this fucking thing because the other half of the country is going to live underneath its thumb.
[00:29:34]  But notice that whenever someone like Rand Paul or Thomas Massey in the example you just used actually stands up and goes, yeah, no, I won't support this spending.
[00:29:43]  They are so instantly demonized in the fucking press.
[00:29:47]  It's un Rand Paul.
[00:29:49]  Including by conservatives.
[00:29:50]  Yes.
[00:29:51]  When Rand Paul had that thing, it was the most reasonable thing perhaps a politician's ever said, but when it was that 9-11 fund.
[00:29:58]  And he goes, well, look, I mean, we're spending over $4 trillion a year.
[00:30:02]  We got plenty of money here.
[00:30:04]  I'm happy to help out with the victims of 9-11, you know, the first responders.
[00:30:09]  But come on.
[00:30:10]  I mean, we spend like, you know, $27 million on like turtle research.
[00:30:14]  We spend all this money on this nonsense.
[00:30:16]  Let's cut it out of something and we can give this money to them.
[00:30:19]  And he got just raked over the coals in the press is the most reasonable thing ever.
[00:30:25]  He wasn't even against giving them the money.
[00:30:27]  He was just like, come on, we got to be able to find it in the 4 trillion we already spent.
[00:30:30]  We don't need to add more money to the debt for this.
[00:30:33]  And so you notice, like, they really do.
[00:30:36]  If you think the issue is unimportant, look at when someone actually stands up against it and how much they go at them.
[00:30:42]  Yeah.
[00:30:42]  Here's something else that I thought I want to hear your opinion on, if I could ask a question.

=== The Black Hole of Politics (11:55) ===

[00:30:46]  Mitch McConnell basically threw Trump under the bus recently and he said that Trump instigated this kind of protest, the insurrection, whatever they want to call it at the Capitol.
[00:30:59]  And this is telling me two things because you and I have an idea of how Washington works.
[00:31:04]  Neither of us have an idea of how Washington works compared to Mitch McConnell.
[00:31:08]  So I think two things that are not contradictory, and I think they're both true.
[00:31:12]  One is Mitch McConnell is a snake, like a complete snake.
[00:31:15]  And two, he's also setting himself up to impeach President Harris when the time comes, because now he'll have clean hands to be like, look, I came out for Trump.
[00:31:26]  I'm not being partisan here.
[00:31:28]  They're going to get the Senate back in the midterms.
[00:31:30]  It's almost the inevitability.
[00:31:32]  The House, the people who have the White House always lose almost inevitably in the midterms.
[00:31:39]  The Republicans did far, far, far, far better in the 2020 election.
[00:31:44]  And they don't talk about that in the media, but they picked up House seats when they were supposed to lose 15.
[00:31:48]  They're like three seats away from winning the House, one seat away from winning the Senate.
[00:31:52]  This is what I think is going on.
[00:31:53]  I think he's played the long con, and I would never bet against Mitch McConnell if it comes to the long con in Washington.
[00:32:00]  The man knows system, or I wouldn't bet against Pelosi either.
[00:32:03]  They both know how this crap works.
[00:32:05]  Well, there's a really interesting political dynamic going on right now in the Republican Party, because they're basically, it's like a similar dynamic to the Bernie Sanders split in the Democrat Party, with one key difference, which is that Donald Trump won.
[00:32:23]  And not just that he won the election, that he won the voters.
[00:32:26]  I mean, he won them in such an overwhelming way that it really can't be denied.
[00:32:31]  Donald Trump, it was really fascinating to me.
[00:32:33]  I was talking about the other day.
[00:32:34]  The latest NBC poll that came out had Donald Trump at 43% approval rating.
[00:32:42]  Basically, the same approval rating he's had this whole time.
[00:32:45]  The latest Rasmussen had him at like 49%.
[00:32:49]  Now, there are some other polls.
[00:32:51]  Rasmussen always has the highest.
[00:32:53]  But my point is just that's about what he's been polling in Ras Mussen throughout his entire presidency, right?
[00:32:58]  So if you're watching the corporate press, you'd think this was a stock that went from $100,000 a share down to $2 a share.
[00:33:06]  Like it's just the most epic crash in the history of a stock ever.
[00:33:09]  Was the president is now completely disgraced, destroyed.
[00:33:13]  And then you see these polls come out and go, right the same, right the same.
[00:33:16]  The people who are on board with him are still on board with him.
[00:33:19]  And so what you have in the Republican Party now is this major split.
[00:33:23]  I was arguing on Kennedy.
[00:33:24]  Can I just say one point very quickly?
[00:33:26]  Just to remain to what you're saying.
[00:33:27]  We all know that if Trump lost one voter over 2016, this election, the articles were written.
[00:33:35]  I bet you they were literally written that 2020 was repudiation of Trumpism.
[00:33:39]  That's right.
[00:33:40]  If the Republicans lost one seat, or you know, it would be like this is this proves that he's destroying the Republican Party.
[00:33:46]  I think it was Bill David Frederick Crystal said he destroys everything he touches.
[00:33:50]  And when that didn't happen, it's like, um, okay.
[00:33:54]  But that's, and you could also, in addition to that, you could just see how excited they were after the January 6th thing happened at the Capitol because now they're like, okay, got it, got our narrative, got our narrative, he incited insurrection.
[00:34:06]  That's what, that's what we were talking about the whole time.
[00:34:08]  You know that.
[00:34:09]  And so it was like, this is Burke, which also is, by the way, one of the reasons why it was so stupid to do that shit at the Capitol.
[00:34:15]  Wait, can I ask you?
[00:34:16]  All you accomplished was handing a narrative to your opponents.
[00:34:19]  Oh, I disagree completely.
[00:34:20]  But let me ask you this: I'm trying to understand the blue pill perspective here.
[00:34:24]  And like, I think I kind of got it, but I want to, I, this, like, sounds like a rhetorical question.
[00:34:29]  It's not.
[00:34:30]  Do they believe that Viking guy and the other guy were going to go into the House chambers and say Donald Trump is still president?
[00:34:43]  And that somehow, like, like, how is that he's still president?
[00:34:47]  Like, I don't like, I understand how if there was a plot and you kidnap Mitch McConnell and Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi and Kevin McCarthy and like have him a gunpoint and be like, all right, here's what's going to be.
[00:35:00]  Unless you know, you redo the election, we're going to shoot these people.
[00:35:03]  Like, I can understand how that would be a mechanism to keep Trump there.
[00:35:08]  But what are they actually saying?
[00:35:10]  How is this going to work as a coup?
[00:35:13]  Yeah, well, I don't think there is actually an answer to that, but I think the blue pill perspective is just kind of like, well, look at this.
[00:35:19]  You ever seen this happen before?
[00:35:21]  You ever seen people violently shove into the Capitol?
[00:35:23]  I mean, that's the halls of democracy.
[00:35:25]  That's an attack on you and your right to vote.
[00:35:28]  And then it's kind of like the just like, what was the plan exactly?
[00:35:31]  I don't know, whatever.
[00:35:32]  They were going to do it.
[00:35:33]  They were going to overthrow the government.
[00:35:34]  You know, there was an insurrection.
[00:35:35]  They wanted to stop.
[00:35:37]  There was no answer.
[00:35:38]  The truth is, right, that there was a wide range of what was going on there.
[00:35:44]  The vast majority of the people got excited in the moment and were like, we're doing this.
[00:35:48]  We're going into the Capitol building.
[00:35:50]  93% peaceful.
[00:35:52]  Well, it certainly was.
[00:35:52]  I think even more, even more than that.
[00:35:54]  Right.
[00:35:55]  But the other thing is that there were, there was that one guy who had like the zip ties and stuff.
[00:36:01]  And I think one guy who had a gun, and who the fuck knows what that guy would have done if he had found, if he had gotten his hands on Pence or Nancy Pelosi or someone like that.
[00:36:09]  Who knows?
[00:36:10]  Maybe it would have been some crazy, you know, like next level thing.
[00:36:14]  But it's enough to, for most people.
[00:36:19]  And the truth is, even despite this last year, most people in America are living at a higher standard of life than 99.9% of humans have ever lived at.
[00:36:28]  And most of them don't want a violent revolution, don't want civil war.
[00:36:32]  And you look at something like that and you go, whoa, that's not what I was signing up for, you know?
[00:36:38]  But let me just get to the point that you asked about earlier that I think the really interesting dynamic here is that the cathedral has squashed Donald Trump and they are at war with Donald Trump himself and the Trump movement.
[00:36:55]  Like this is what they're doing right now is to bury any hint of a legacy.
[00:36:59]  They want to impeach the guy after he's already gone.
[00:37:02]  Like they just want a symbolic, you know, slamming of this guy.
[00:37:07]  And yet the Republican Party, the voters are overwhelmingly for this guy.
[00:37:13]  So if you're a Republican politician, this puts you in a very weird spot.
[00:37:17]  Do you want to battle against the cathedral or do you want to battle against your own voters?
[00:37:22]  Now, if you battle against your own voters, you might, you know, quite possibly destroy your political prospects in the future.
[00:37:30]  But if you battle the cathedral, they might ruin you tomorrow.
[00:37:34]  And so I think that for a lot of guys like Mitch McConnell, it makes a lot more sense for his own self-interest to like, let me not go against the killers and I'll take my chances with the voters.
[00:37:47]  Yeah.
[00:37:47]  That's kind of how I see it.
[00:37:49]  But I think we also, because when you're in Washington, it's so insular and you don't really know what's going on back on the street back home.
[00:37:55]  There was an article from Politico, which is hard left.
[00:37:59]  And after this thing happened at the Capitol, the article was talking about how all these Republican politicians came back home and they were all like ready to be like, I disavow, this is terrible, blah, blah.
[00:38:12]  And the voters are telling them, maybe now you're going to listen to what we're saying to you.
[00:38:16]  And they were really taken for a loop at the response from the base.
[00:38:22]  They completely misread it.
[00:38:24]  And I think when you're a politician, you're going to have some respect for the office.
[00:38:29]  Look, people call me senator, you know, congressperson.
[00:38:32]  They treat me respectfully.
[00:38:33]  I got a nice office.
[00:38:34]  You know, people write to me.
[00:38:36]  They want my help.
[00:38:37]  And now, you know, I have to venerate these halls.
[00:38:41]  Daniel Webster was here, Henry Clay, all these great figures of the past.
[00:38:45]  And now I'm being told, no, We're kind of more with them than we are with like, you know, Chuck Schumer.
[00:38:53]  I don't think they know how to process this because a lot of these people were lawyers.
[00:38:56]  They had big careers.
[00:38:57]  They were wealthy.
[00:38:57]  They're pillars of their community.
[00:38:59]  And I tell you, status means a lot to these people.
[00:39:02]  Status means a lot to all of us.
[00:39:03]  I don't even mean to say these people.
[00:39:05]  Status means something to everybody.
[00:39:07]  And people really like when they're given a little piece of it, you know, like here, you have this title.
[00:39:14]  You have this thing.
[00:39:15]  And I actually remember, I don't know, this just popped into my head as you're saying this.
[00:39:20]  I remember Joe Scarborough.
[00:39:22]  This is years ago.
[00:39:23]  This might be like a decade ago.
[00:39:24]  And he was talking on his show.
[00:39:27]  It was like one of those rare moments of honesty that was very revealing where he was talking about how hard it was when he was out of Congress.
[00:39:35]  And he was like, you know, when you're in Congress, you can call anybody and they return your phone call right away.
[00:39:42]  I mean, you just jump on the phone and you're like, it's Representative Scarborough's office for Jamie Diamond.
[00:39:49]  And Jamie Diamond's going to return your phone call.
[00:39:51]  Like, what's going on?
[00:39:52]  You know what I mean?
[00:39:53]  And he goes, and all of a sudden that's gone.
[00:39:55]  People just don't return your phone calls anymore.
[00:39:57]  And it was really kind of amazing to hear him say this.
[00:39:59]  Like, I think he didn't even realize how like petty and like cringy this sounds, but it was a real admission that it's like, yeah, dude.
[00:40:06]  And I remember when I was at SE Cup show, I'm just like talking to some of the people like behind the scenes at CNN.
[00:40:13]  And like, they'd be like, I remember Don Lemon mentioning one time in the green room how he had just gotten off the phone with it was Dick Cheney's chief of staff or something like that.
[00:40:25]  Like some, you know, whatever type.
[00:40:27]  But you could see he felt like a little bit like, yeah, it's the former vice president's chief of staff.
[00:40:33]  So kind of a big deal here.
[00:40:35]  And people, it's easy if that's your whole world to get completely wrapped up in that, you know?
[00:40:41]  And I think that that's one of the things that's can I guys throw a thing?
[00:40:44]  And you can imagine being him and then the president, literally the president on Twitter is repeatedly called you the dumbest man on television.
[00:40:51]  That can't feel too nice.
[00:40:53]  Yeah.
[00:40:53]  Yeah.
[00:40:54]  That's got in a very personal way not feel too nice.
[00:40:57]  And then essentially, especially when you've got, you know, a little insecurity about being the dumbest man on TV already.
[00:41:03]  So you really don't like the president reminding everybody of that.
[00:41:07]  And then you're like, oh, shit, there's that video where I mused out loud about whether a plane went down in a black hole.
[00:41:14]  And, you know, it's like, shit, that really doesn't look too good in hindsight.
[00:41:18]  Like, do you remember that video where there's like I mentioned it and you're right, but it's even funnier.
[00:41:22]  But that's right.
[00:41:22]  That's rather funny.
[00:41:23]  He realizes in hindsight that it was stupid.
[00:41:25]  I'm sure part of him is like, why is this a dumb question?
[00:41:27]  We didn't have any answers.
[00:41:28]  It just, it's just brainstorming.
[00:41:29]  No, but there was, there was a physicist, I believe, on the panel with him who has to go, um, no.
[00:41:36]  But you, Dave, you're assuming that Don Lemon could handle the explanation.
[00:41:41]  Yeah, no, you're right.
[00:41:42]  I was just asking a question.
[00:41:43]  Why is it a dumb question?
[00:41:44]  It was a question.
[00:41:45]  I wasn't saying it happened.
[00:41:46]  You think, you think Dodd Lemon left the show that night and went, I still think there's something to that black hole theory that I threw out there.
[00:41:51]  No, it's not as anything.
[00:41:52]  I know we really never ruled it out.
[00:41:54]  You know, it's just, I haven't seen any evidence it's not a black hole.
[00:41:57]  Yeah, no, possibly.
[00:41:59]  But I do think that one of the major dynamics in America, right?
[00:42:03]  How do we know it's not a black hole?
[00:42:05]  Because that would destroy our entire solar system.
[00:42:07]  Right.
[00:42:08]  Yeah, but maybe it was a small one.
[00:42:10]  I don't know.
[00:42:11]  Maybe it was just like a little, a little teeny black hole.
[00:42:14]  That's, I don't know.
[00:42:16]  They are all teeny, though.
[00:42:17]  Isn't that the thing?
[00:42:18]  Yeah, but this one's like a little bit smaller, just like plane-sized, you know, just enough to suck up a plane.
[00:42:22]  That's what we're talking about here.
[00:42:23]  It's plane-sized black hole hanging out in the Caribbean, you know, whatever.
[00:42:26]  I don't know.
[00:42:27]  It's possible.
[00:42:28]  Actually, the more I think about this, I think Don Lemon made a really good point.
[00:42:30]  I think it might have been a black hole.
[00:42:31]  Did we ever find that plane?
[00:42:33]  I don't know.
[00:42:33]  Did we ever find the hole?
[00:42:35]  Did we ever find a black hole?
[00:42:36]  I don't know.
[00:42:37]  Okay, so there's a plane missing and a black hole missing.
[00:42:40]  So we haven't found either one is what you're telling me.

=== Protecting Yourself Online Today (02:27) ===

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=== Visuals Reveal the Truth (15:12) ===

[00:45:10]  A big part of the whole system, right, which is what's really what, because what's really gone on in America and every, and it's all really related to monetary policy, by the way, another libertarian wonkery, something there, but everything that's happened is really related to monetary policy in this country.
[00:45:25]  It all comes right back to this.
[00:45:27]  And the fact is that we literally created a housing bubble by bringing interest rates down so low after 9-11.
[00:45:34]  So we could fight two wars on the credit card, not pay a lot of interest on it.
[00:45:38]  This sucked a ton of people into areas where you need to borrow because that's what interest rates affect.
[00:45:43]  It all went into the housing market.
[00:45:44]  This thing bust.
[00:45:45]  It took down the whole economy.
[00:45:46]  And then in response to the 2008 crash, we brought interest rates down to zero, which was like unprecedented and kept them there for like eight years.
[00:45:55]  And this just drastically changed the nature of the economy.
[00:45:59]  When you have 0% interest rates, you go to an economy that destroys savers, destroys people on fixed incomes because they can't get any money on their investments.
[00:46:11]  And it creates an entire speculation economy because the only way to really rake in big profits now is to speculate on your money because that's the only way you can make interest, right?
[00:46:19]  So all of this stuff created this thing where there's more and more of a bubble at the top.
[00:46:25]  And this is, by the way, where the socialists do make a fair point.
[00:46:28]  Like they look at this thing and go, wait a minute, what's going on here?
[00:46:31]  I mean, we have this society where the rich are getting way, way, way, way richer and everybody else is not really coming up with them.
[00:46:38]  Now, their answer to all of this is, you know, would have us all starving, but they are right that the truth is that there is like this crazy fracturing between the top 10th of 1% and everybody else.
[00:46:51]  And what it ends up doing is it creates this kind of distance.
[00:46:54]  You know, you'll see like those charts sometimes where it'll be like, you know, I don't have the numbers in front of me, but it'd be like in the 50s, the CEO made like 10 times what the average worker did.
[00:47:03]  Now the CEO makes like a thousand times what the average worker did.
[00:47:07]  And now the CEO is living in a different universe than the average worker.
[00:47:12]  This guy's, you know, like it's, he's on a yacht flying private jets doing all this.
[00:47:16]  And the worker is like, I don't know how I'm going to fill up my car tomorrow.
[00:47:20]  So, those people, one of the things that's happening is that the political class, the elite class, they're so removed from regular people that they don't even know what the fuck's going on.
[00:47:31]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:47:32]  This is, and culturally, it's really like stunning.
[00:47:35]  You know, this is why when the Trump grab him by the pussy tape came out, they were all like, that's it, he's done.
[00:47:39]  No one talks like this.
[00:47:41]  No one accepts this.
[00:47:42]  And most Americans were kind of like, eh, yeah, people do talk like that.
[00:47:47]  I don't know.
[00:47:48]  Yeah.
[00:47:48]  Have you been to a barbecue?
[00:47:49]  Have you gone drinking with the guys?
[00:47:50]  People talk like that.
[00:47:51]  It's just not that big of a deal.
[00:47:53]  I'm much more concerned about my jobs coming back than I am about like a faux pas.
[00:47:57]  It just doesn't, you know, and so I do think that's part of it too, that Mitch McConnell, these other Republicans, they're very, very removed from regular people.
[00:48:05]  And that's to your point of why they were like shocked to come back and see a bunch of people being like, well, did they scare the shit out of some politicians?
[00:48:11]  Okay.
[00:48:12]  All right.
[00:48:13]  I'm fine with that.
[00:48:14]  There was something fun.
[00:48:15]  One of the beauty things about being an anarchist is how people perceive you, because like a lot of the conservatives will call me a commie when I'm going off against the cops.
[00:48:24]  Raw story, which is a lefty kind of propaganda outlet.
[00:48:29]  People forget Lindsey Graham was ready to turn on Trump as a result of what happened at the Capitol.
[00:48:35]  Then he was at the airport and he got surrounded by a mob of MAGA people who were just yelling at him, traitor, traitor, traitor.
[00:48:44]  And then within a week, he was on Sean Hanning defending Trump.
[00:48:47]  And I had just pointed this out.
[00:48:49]  And Ross Story did a lineup of lefties who were wringing their hands about how awful it was what Lindsey Graham was treated.
[00:48:57]  And they included my tweet in there.
[00:48:59]  And I wasn't using that example of, isn't this terrible?
[00:49:02]  I meant good.
[00:49:03]  Like, you know, this is what you need.
[00:49:05]  This is the, they are delusional.
[00:49:07]  They are not in touch with their constituency.
[00:49:09]  He just got reelected against massive spending against him.
[00:49:13]  So yeah, whatever mechanism works to keep these people from going full DC, I think is the right approach.
[00:49:21]  So, and certainly, like, I mean, politicians should be berated on the street as a very minimum.
[00:49:27]  Yeah.
[00:49:28]  No, I understand what you're saying.
[00:49:30]  I mean, there's a, it's, um, this whole like next chapter in American political life.
[00:49:38]  I mean, it kind of can't be separated from the fact that politicians have had the American people locked in their homes scared to death over the last year.
[00:49:46]  And I will say that I really, one of the things that I just, I think is, it's outrageous, but it's kind of great in how revealing it is is you just see the difference between how they respond to their capital building being destroyed compared to how they responded to private businesses being destroyed all summer long.
[00:50:06]  And that it's like, yeah, they could care less.
[00:50:08]  They could care less about you and your life and your livelihood.
[00:50:13]  But when it comes to the really, I mean, the term cathedral is, oh, they'll almost use the term.
[00:50:18]  They're like this sacred building.
[00:50:20]  Yeah.
[00:50:20]  Yeah.
[00:50:20]  I mean, it's like, yeah, our sacred, you know, center of democracy.
[00:50:24]  Oh, that's some big deal.
[00:50:25]  Even though, by the way, they're going to fix every one of those windows with taxpayer money.
[00:50:29]  There's no concern about how they're going to rebuild this.
[00:50:32]  Yeah, when a private business gets destroyed, they're like, bad insurance, whatever.
[00:50:36]  Well, you have the ultimate insurance.
[00:50:38]  You have taxpayer extorted money.
[00:50:40]  What's better insurance than that?
[00:50:43]  I think the visuals today are going to be very chilling because if you have to have an occupying army in DC, that is not exactly going to jibe with your message of unity and coming together.
[00:50:58]  This is a message of unsafeness, if that's a word, distress, locking down, things that are out of control.
[00:51:07]  You don't send in the troops when everything's nice.
[00:51:09]  You send them when it's like about to pop off.
[00:51:11]  And they're simultaneously trying to make it out that Trump and everything he represents has been defeated and destroyed.
[00:51:17]  And at the same time, simultaneously, our republic is about a week away from going full civil war.
[00:51:23]  So good.
[00:51:24]  I mean, obviously they could be self-contradictory with blue-pilled people.
[00:51:27]  They don't have to, because if they don't think critically, it's not going to be an issue.
[00:51:30]  But for plenty of other people, it's like this is really, they're trying to kind of thread a needle here.
[00:51:34]  That's going to be very hard for them to do.
[00:51:36]  Yeah, no, I agree with you.
[00:51:38]  And it's just no matter what, even if you say, well, we had the majority, 51% voted for us.
[00:51:44]  If you need the military just to be able to pull off an inauguration, it's hard to really say you have the people on your side.
[00:51:51]  And that's got to have some effect on some people.
[00:51:54]  Did you see?
[00:51:54]  And I'm sure you saw this.
[00:51:55]  They had to do background checks and all the National Guard people, and they had to pull some.
[00:52:00]  And they were using this as evidence of how entrenched this kind of right-wing radicalism is.
[00:52:05]  But I think it's more an example of, no, what you're defining as radical is very, very loose.
[00:52:10]  And there are a lot of these people.
[00:52:11]  And what are you going to do about them?
[00:52:13]  Like people who are blue-pilled think if something's not on their screens, it literally ceases to exist.
[00:52:17]  They don't have object permanence.
[00:52:18]  And it's like, okay, well, Trump's not on Twitter and he's not in any social media.
[00:52:22]  Well, la, We don't have to deal with him again.
[00:52:25]  That's not how it works.
[00:52:26]  Like these people just, they are not powerless.
[00:52:30]  And if they don't have the power to express themselves and leftists know this with minority groups, if people don't feel represented, if they don't feel like the ability to have themselves seen and heard, it goes in a very bad, I'm going to make sure you see me.
[00:52:41]  I'm going to make sure you hear me is the natural response.
[00:52:45]  And it's a very, very bad situation to find ourselves in.
[00:52:50]  That's right.
[00:52:50]  And it requires tremendous authoritarianism to keep a system like that controlled.
[00:52:57]  I mean, you can keep a majority of a population down.
[00:53:00]  I mean, look, the Shiites were the majority under Saddam Hussein and he kept them down, but it required tremendous authoritarianism in order to do it.
[00:53:11]  And so that's the scary part of what we're brushing up against here is that if you're talking about a movement of seven, again, like I said, you can take out a movement of a few hundred thousand people.
[00:53:20]  You can squash them.
[00:53:21]  That's no problem.
[00:53:22]  But a movement of 74 million people is much, much tougher.
[00:53:25]  And you see that with the military coming in and all of this stuff.
[00:53:29]  And you also see that, you know, can I say one more thing?
[00:53:32]  Just you might not realize.
[00:53:34]  My friend was in Wyoming not too long ago, and he was wearing a mask because he didn't want to deal with drama from people.
[00:53:42]  And some guy came up to him and started yelling at him.
[00:53:45]  And he's like, why yelling?
[00:53:46]  And the guy was yelling because he, because he was wearing a mask.
[00:53:48]  And he's like, I'm wearing this mask just not to deal with these mask loops.
[00:53:51]  He's like, take it off.
[00:53:52]  And he did.
[00:53:53]  So I think that people don't realize it's going in that direction in certain parts of this country.
[00:53:58]  So I kind of think, and this is like a working hypothesis I have.
[00:54:03]  It might be a little bit of a black pill, but I don't know.
[00:54:06]  You tell me what you think.
[00:54:08]  But I think that much of the culture war and the insanity that we see, not just over this last year, over the last few years, is almost necessary at this point to keep this system going.
[00:54:24]  Oh, I just go ahead.
[00:54:25]  Sorry.
[00:54:25]  Well, that they realize that they just got away.
[00:54:28]  The system has gotten too out of control and corrupt and that people see through this.
[00:54:34]  And the only thing that they can use as a hedge against the basically everybody looking up rather than fighting with each other is to keep them fighting with each other.
[00:54:44]  And so that if we keep fighting this kind of red state versus blue state thing, then we don't all get together and go, oh, wait a minute, this whole thing is corrupt.
[00:54:52]  These institutions are all raping the American people.
[00:54:55]  It's what Pat Buchanan used to say in the 90s, that the Republicans and Democrats have committed economic treason against the American people.
[00:55:03]  And I think that's way more clear now than it's ever been.
[00:55:06]  I was the other day, I was posting, I posted one of these charts, but I actually looked it up on like the Nexus thing that you, it's really fascinating.
[00:55:15]  Okay.
[00:55:15]  But if you look up, have you ever seen charts like this where if you look up the times that the amount of times that racism is mentioned in the New York Times in major publications after 2010, it skyrockets.
[00:55:30]  And there's all these different terms, you know, toxic masculinity and problematic whiteness and like all these crazy things that you can keep, you know, like bringing up.
[00:55:41]  They all, it was like right around this time that they all start skyrocketing.
[00:55:45]  This is not just some wokeism is not like some organic movement that just started.
[00:55:50]  Now, it was lying dormant in universities that was around, but they decided to really, the cathedral from the top of the corporate press, New York Times, you know, they decided to, and I really think this was a response to Occupy Wall Street in a lot of ways, that they did not like the idea of leftists and protesters standing outside the big banks screaming, we are the 99%.
[00:56:16]  And they were like, ooh, 99%.
[00:56:18]  You know what 99% ends up doing?
[00:56:20]  They end up winning.
[00:56:22]  And you're standing right outside.
[00:56:24]  The banks were the banks tanked the economy and then were bailed out by the government.
[00:56:29]  Everyone could smell the corruption on that.
[00:56:31]  You couldn't convince anyone.
[00:56:33]  I mean, these motherfuckers kept their bonuses.
[00:56:35]  They're flying away on their fucking private jets while the country is like collapsing.
[00:56:40]  And they, and you know how you deal with the 99% problem?
[00:56:44]  Make it not the 99%.
[00:56:45]  Yeah.
[00:56:46]  Make it not the 99% at all.
[00:56:47]  You go, oh, but what about this 3%?
[00:56:49]  And what about this 9%?
[00:56:51]  What about this 13%?
[00:56:52]  What about this?
[00:56:53]  And they really did.
[00:56:54]  It was very effective.
[00:56:55]  I think they saw the Achilles heel in the left was that you could get them fighting on all this identity politics bullshit.
[00:57:01]  And like, so I almost feel like now they need to keep this going in order to just make sure that people don't, because it's too hard to pretend that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris aren't as corrupt as they are.
[00:57:13]  So that's kind of my thought.
[00:57:16]  Yeah, I am, I am very, very looking forward to what's going to be happening in the next few months.
[00:57:25]  I think the idea that Joe Biden is somehow going to be some great unifier is crazy.
[00:57:30]  I think he will be a great unifier in Congress.
[00:57:32]  I think he has relationships with a lot of people across the aisle.
[00:57:36]  I'm sure he's very, very amiable.
[00:57:38]  He's not going to be antagonistic and he'll get him on the phone.
[00:57:41]  He'll be like, come on, let's cut the crap.
[00:57:43]  What do you need?
[00:57:44]  Like, so, you know, that's really kind of ironic.
[00:57:46]  I'm only realizing this now.
[00:57:47]  Trump came in in 2017 saying he's the one who's the deal maker.
[00:57:52]  I think Biden has probably a good chance of actually being that guy and being the one who'll be able to work to some extent with the Republicans.
[00:58:00]  Now, whether there's that dynamics of Washington to allow that to happen at this point, that's a whole separate issue.
[00:58:06]  Whether the Republican base will like if you can imagine if Joe Biden wanted to cut taxes for some reason, the Republican base will be like, no, this is a sellout.
[00:58:14]  It's too small.
[00:58:14]  Like, who knows?
[00:58:16]  But I think the toxicity is only going to get worse.
[00:58:20]  And here's another reason, because they can't help themselves.
[00:58:23]  The Don's Lemon, the Chris's Cuomo, they're going to be gloating.
[00:58:28]  Rachel Matt, was it Amy Siskin was on Twitter saying, make no mistake, we overthrew a dictator.
[00:58:34]  Yeah, sure you did.
[00:58:35]  So anytime you belittle a marginalized group and are locking them down, I wish if they had some like idea of strategy, they wouldn't be who they are.
[00:58:47]  Yeah.
[00:58:47]  Yeah.
[00:58:48]  Well, that's that, that's an interesting point.
[00:58:50]  I do think you're right about them not being able to help themselves.
[00:58:54]  And also, you know, to your point, the thing you brought up about Don Lemon, you know, getting insulted, it's so personal for so many of these people.
[00:59:00]  They're so furious that Donald Trump would have the nerve to the nerve to come over and take their sacred institutions and use it to insult them that they can't help themselves from insulting back.
[00:59:13]  And the, you know, the silver lining, the white pill in all of this is that it does expose them.
[00:59:19]  As they're out there calling for unity, they're insulting 74 million Americans.
[00:59:23]  And so that's, it'll be interesting to see where all of that goes.
[00:59:28]  Oh, man, I'm hoping Joe Biden, just for some fuck ups in his swearing in, I just hope he can't repeat the fucking oath of office.
[00:59:38]  I know.
[00:59:38]  It was a good shot.
[00:59:40]  Was it who was it that Justice Roberts had to repeat Obama's right?
[00:59:44]  Because like he fucked it up.
[00:59:45]  Yeah, he, but he fucked it up, not Obama.
[00:59:47]  He liked it, got it all wrong.
[00:59:48]  Yeah, they did it again at the White House just for like, just to be sure.
[00:59:51]  But yeah, this is going to be great.
[00:59:55]  They've already turned on Vogue.
[00:59:57]  Like they can't help themselves.
[00:59:58]  Vogue had a photo of Kamala Harris like in her converse and jeans.
[01:00:02]  I thought she looked great.
[01:00:04]  Vogue is not going to run an ugly picture.
[01:00:06]  It's Vogue, right?
[01:00:08]  It's casual, but casual could be fashionable.
[01:00:11]  And they're like, oh my God, this is offensive.
[01:00:13]  This is disrespectful.
[01:00:14]  It's like they are really going to start turning on each other because they can't help themselves.
[01:00:19]  And it's going to be absolutely hilarious.

=== Obama Was Terrible Indeed (02:57) ===

[01:00:22]  The thing is, Biden came in fifth in Iowa or like and in New Hampshire.
[01:00:27]  They don't love Biden.
[01:00:28]  They just need to get Trump out of there.
[01:00:30]  And in many ways, I think that, you know, Donald Trump was their unifier.
[01:00:35]  I mean, Donald Trump kept the whole left and liberal, you know, everything from the center to the left of America.
[01:00:42]  He was kind of what kept them glued together, you know, that it was like, well, we're against this Trump guy.
[01:00:47]  And they've lost that now.
[01:00:49]  So now, if they were going to start eating their own, now's the time you'll really see that.
[01:00:53]  Can you imagine if it was 2013 and your boy Mitt Romney gets inaugurated as president after defeating Barack Obama, the Muslim, you know, from Kenya?
[01:01:03]  And these boomers would be so excited.
[01:01:05]  We beat Obama never again.
[01:01:07]  He hated America.
[01:01:09]  And then on January 20th, they'd be like, oh my God, Mitt Romney's president.
[01:01:14]  Like they would have this moment of like, what have we done?
[01:01:16]  And I think we're really, or I could be completely wrong.
[01:01:19]  And Biden is going to govern just like Obama did.
[01:01:22]  And they're going to be very happy.
[01:01:23]  Either way, who knows?
[01:01:24]  I wouldn't bet money on that, the latter being the case.
[01:01:27]  No, I don't think so.
[01:01:28]  He's not a creature of the leagues.
[01:01:31]  Look, the left wasn't really happy with the way Obama governed.
[01:01:35]  It's just they loved Obama so much they couldn't bring themselves to really talk about it that much.
[01:01:41]  But I remember I was on Kennedy one time.
[01:01:46]  It must have been shortly before the whole world shut down because I was in studio.
[01:01:50]  But it was one of the like, it was either late 2019, early 2020.
[01:01:54]  And I was on, I'm blanking on her name, but she's like a Democratic socialist type, was a big Bernie Sanders supporter.
[01:02:01]  Namiki?
[01:02:02]  Huh?
[01:02:03]  Was it Nomiki?
[01:02:04]  Yes.
[01:02:05]  Yes.
[01:02:05]  That's exactly who it was, was on with Nomiki.
[01:02:07]  And she, and I basically got her to agree that Obama was a disaster.
[01:02:13]  And I just did it by attacking the left from the left.
[01:02:16]  And I was like, well, look, we got to be honest here, right?
[01:02:19]  I mean, if Obama's biggest political accomplishment was a healthcare overhaul and Bernie Sanders' number one issue is a healthcare overhaul, then I guess Obama's healthcare overhaul wasn't really that good.
[01:02:32]  And wasn't Obama at war every day of his administration?
[01:02:35]  And didn't the gap between the wealthy and the poor just get even bigger under Obama?
[01:02:38]  And didn't, and like by all these progressive metrics that you guys are talking about now, and this is why if you love Bernie Sanders, you really got to acknowledge Obama was terrible.
[01:02:48]  And she was pretty much like, yeah, that's right.
[01:02:50]  Like Obama really was that terrible.
[01:02:52]  Now, I don't think she would have said that when Obama was in office because he's just, you know, he had that kind of charismatic energy that kind of made it hard for a leftist to critique him.
[01:03:02]  And I think there's something right at the core of a leftist's identity that makes it very hard to critique the first black president because so much of their identity is we're the not racist ones that it's just like, no, I don't want to go.
[01:03:15]  I don't want this cognitive dissonance.
[01:03:17]  I want to be the not racist one.
[01:03:18]  That's what I'm comfortable with.

=== Interchangeable Media Personalities (03:34) ===

[01:03:20]  But you see this now.
[01:03:23]  And so for Biden to try to pull off that same dance is going to be very, very hard because it doesn't fuck with their identity.
[01:03:31]  Biden's just a rich old white guy.
[01:03:33]  Like it doesn't have this special thing about him.
[01:03:37]  And so that's, I think, I think he's going to have a tough time keeping that coalition together.
[01:03:42]  Agreed.
[01:03:43]  And I think it's also really funny because I'm sure you probably saw this clip.
[01:03:46]  Brian Stelter had people on his show.
[01:03:47]  He was freaking out because there's people on YouTube.
[01:03:50]  They said it's quicitly, it's a problem, not for them personally, for our democracy, that there's broadcasters on YouTube who have a bigger audience than CNN.
[01:03:58]  And how do we stop this?
[01:04:00]  And it's like, yeah, good luck, buddy, because those audiences, if YouTube shuts them down, they're not going to cease to exist.
[01:04:06]  They're going to find some platform where they can have their show and you can listen to them and hear them out.
[01:04:12]  And you guys, you're not getting to the core of the problem.
[01:04:15]  You're trying to put a band-aid over a gunshot wound.
[01:04:18]  The truth is that, right?
[01:04:19]  The type of people who enjoy listening to your show or enjoy listening to this show, those people, you could take me and you out.
[01:04:27]  You could kill me and you tomorrow.
[01:04:29]  Those people are not just going to go watch CNN and nod their heads and believe everything they hear.
[01:04:34]  It's just not going to happen.
[01:04:35]  They were already here because if we didn't wake them up ourselves, they were already a little bit woken up and they came here because they were like, yeah, I know this is bullshit.
[01:04:45]  No one listens to your show who would put on CNN and not immediately see that it's all bullshit.
[01:04:52]  And so even if you get rid of those shows with the bigger audience, and the truth is it's not even, their problem isn't even that there's one show with a bigger audience.
[01:04:59]  It's that there's 100,000 shows with an audience.
[01:05:02]  You know, like this, me or you may not have a bigger audience than CNN, probably a bigger audience than some of their shows, but you may not have a bigger audience than them, but we represent, there's so many shows out there that their audience just will, I mean, they'll sniff through it in a second that this is all bullshit.
[01:05:19]  And that's the big problem they have.
[01:05:20]  And there's no solution for that.
[01:05:22]  And is there really any cognitive, any kind of quantitative difference between Brian Stelter's show or Chris Cuomo and Don Lemon?
[01:05:29]  Like these shows historically are personality driven, right?
[01:05:31]  Like Bill O'Reilly has a different personality type than Sean Hannity.
[01:05:34]  They're different in some ways than Tucker.
[01:05:37]  Some like some, some like the others.
[01:05:39]  These people are interchangeable.
[01:05:40]  Yes.
[01:05:41]  Like it's just, it's just really going to be the exact same show.
[01:05:43]  No, there is like, and this is, and this is almost removed from an ideological position, but there is like, okay, Kennedy, Tucker Carlson, maybe Lou Dobbs do a little bit of a different thing.
[01:05:59]  Almost every other show in cable news could literally, you could give the script from one to the other guy.
[01:06:06]  And it could, it could be the exact same show.
[01:06:09]  There is no substantive difference between what they say at all.
[01:06:13]  If Rachel Maddow read Don Lemon's script tomorrow, no one would notice.
[01:06:18]  It's just, that's what Rachel Maddow talked about today.
[01:06:20]  Exactly.
[01:06:21]  Same exact thing, the same points, the same perspective, everything.
[01:06:25]  All right.
[01:06:25]  That's our show for today.
[01:06:27]  We will do another one of these on your show next time.
[01:06:30]  And by then, Kamala Harris will be.
[01:06:32]  Oh, wait, one more thing.
[01:06:33]  I'm sorry.
[01:06:34]  Next week, my cartoon with Tom Drops.
[01:06:38]  Oh, really?
[01:06:38]  That's coming out next week.
[01:06:40]  Awesome.
[01:06:40]  We're going to all get together.
[01:06:42]  Okay, absolutely.
[01:06:43]  And where can people watch that?
[01:06:46]  We're going to find out soon.
[01:06:46]  Yeah.
[01:06:46]  Yeah.
[01:06:47]  All right.
[01:06:47]  Awesome.
[01:06:48]  I'm very excited.
[01:06:49]  Very excited to see that.
[01:06:50]  All right.
[01:06:50]  Thanks, everybody, for watching, listening.
[01:06:52]  Thank you, Michael Malice, for your time.
[01:06:54]  See you soon.
[01:06:55]  Peace.