Part Of The Problem - Dave Smith - When Do We Get Our Freedom Back?
Aired: 2020-12-19
Duration: 44:07


=== Government Overreach Concerns (14:37) ===

[00:00:00]  Fill her up.
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[00:00:33]  What's up, everybody?
[00:00:34]  Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem.
[00:00:38]  I am, of course, the most consistent motherfucker you know, Dave Smith.
[00:00:42]  He is the king of the caulks, Robbie the Fire Bernstein.
[00:00:46]  What's up, my brother?
[00:00:47]  How you living?
[00:00:48]  Friday episode.
[00:00:50]  Firstly, Pump for Friday episodes.
[00:00:51]  I'm also, I'm having the best week of my life, Davey Smith.
[00:00:54]  Are you really?
[00:00:55]  Yeah.
[00:00:55]  A client friend of mine sent me an Oculus Quest and jerking off in 3D is the best thing that ever happened to me.
[00:01:02]  God bless the free market.
[00:01:04]  It's finally, I knew we could find a mate for Rob if we just worked hard enough.
[00:01:09]  Well, that's very good.
[00:01:10]  Good for you.
[00:01:10]  Let's keep COVID-19 going longer.
[00:01:12]  I'm all for staying home.
[00:01:13]  No reason to go anywhere or do anything ever.
[00:01:16]  Merry Christmas, you filthy Jew.
[00:01:19]  All right.
[00:01:21]  So the vaccine is here.
[00:01:26]  It is.
[00:01:26]  It has.
[00:01:27]  Send it back.
[00:01:28]  Send it back.
[00:01:28]  Rob's over it.
[00:01:29]  Rob is all about 2020.
[00:01:31]  Just wants it to continue.
[00:01:33]  All right.
[00:01:34]  So I'm sure you've seen the vaccine is not only here in the United States and approved and all that stuff, but people have actually started taking it.
[00:01:44]  And they're, it's.
[00:01:45]  It turned Pence's hair white.
[00:01:47]  Huh?
[00:01:47]  It turned Pence's hair white.
[00:01:49]  Yes.
[00:01:50]  Yeah.
[00:01:50]  It sure did.
[00:01:51]  Well, he hasn't taken it yet, I believe.
[00:01:53]  I believe he's taking it tomorrow.
[00:01:54]  I thought I saw a picture of him getting it.
[00:01:57]  Oh, maybe you could be right about that.
[00:01:59]  I thought it was tomorrow.
[00:02:00]  Well, several people have taken it.
[00:02:04]  You know, all of the important people who really need to get vaccinated first, like actors and politicians, they've already been doing it in front of the camera.
[00:02:13]  It is so weird.
[00:02:15]  It's unlike any other vaccine ever in terms of the way it's being rolled out and presented.
[00:02:22]  It's much more similar to like a product reveal than it is.
[00:02:29]  You know what I mean?
[00:02:30]  Like it's like really being touted and pushed and how amazing it is.
[00:02:34]  It's a there's some something very strange about what's going on right now with the virus and with the vaccine.
[00:02:42]  It's first off, if you have any questions or concerns about the most rushed vaccine in human history, you are a Nazi.
[00:02:55]  Now, if anybody out there has any questions or concern, just know that's because you're a Nazi, a member of the Third Reich.
[00:03:01]  That's why you have these concerns.
[00:03:05]  You may not realize it.
[00:03:06]  You may not be a Nazi.
[00:03:08]  You could be a terrorist, but somewhere in that range, Nazi to terrorists, you are not allowed to express concerns about the vaccine.
[00:03:17]  And of course, if you check out anything in the corporate press, you will not hear any concerns raised about the vaccine.
[00:03:24]  Of course, already there have been a few cases of people having really horrific side effects to the vaccines, but you're not really allowed to discuss that.
[00:03:33]  In fact, Twitter has unveiled a new policy that they will be silencing anybody who is critical of the vaccine or, you know, I think the way Twitter put it, that they create narratives that are, you know, go against the scientific consensus or something like that.
[00:03:53]  They're going to be silencing you just as they've been practicing for the last few years, just as they've ramped up this year, as they really executed with the Hunter Biden story, which we all know now was very real.
[00:04:06]  They're also going to treat any concerns, any skepticism about the vaccine the same way.
[00:04:13]  Also, Facebook has jumped in.
[00:04:16]  Facebook is doing the same thing.
[00:04:18]  But in addition to that, Facebook has also said that they believe it's their job to create more demand for the vaccine.
[00:04:28]  So Facebook is now in the business of trying to sell a pharmaceutical product.
[00:04:33]  And that's, you know, totally normal.
[00:04:36]  Nothing to see here.
[00:04:37]  The thing that's really insane about it is that, as we mentioned on the podcast several weeks ago, a lot of people, well, a lot of people are very excited about this vaccine.
[00:04:51]  And we all know why that is, right?
[00:04:54]  Because people have had their lives ruined this year.
[00:04:58]  And everything about life has been taken away or altered to some degree.
[00:05:04]  So many people still can't go to work, can't run their businesses.
[00:05:10]  People have to cover their face in public.
[00:05:13]  All types of crazy shit is going on.
[00:05:15]  And so people are really excited about this vaccine because this was one of the many moving goalposts, one of the many moving dangling carrots in front of the American people.
[00:05:27]  Was that when we get this vaccine, then we can get our lives back.
[00:05:32]  But as we told you on the podcast, the New York Times already told us that that's not the case.
[00:05:37]  Now, in addition to the New York Times piece, it's now also been pieces on CNN and MSNBC saying that, yeah, no, even after you get the vaccine, you're still going to have to social distance.
[00:05:49]  You're still going to have to wear masks.
[00:05:51]  You're still going to have to deal with all of the regulations and potentially further lockdowns.
[00:05:57]  So it makes you wonder: what exactly is there to be thankful for in getting this vaccine?
[00:06:07]  If we can't get back to life, if we can't ease these restrictions.
[00:06:12]  It reminds me of when we got Osama bin Laden, when Osama bin Laden was killed and Barack Obama was really spiking the football.
[00:06:22]  And you remember they had their re-election campaign in 2012, Obama Biden was, they would say, you know, Detroit's alive and Osama's dead.
[00:06:35]  That was like, yeah, Osama's dead.
[00:06:37]  So basically they were like, we bailed out the car companies, but we killed Osama bin Laden.
[00:06:41]  That was like their pitch.
[00:06:44]  But you'd kind of wonder, like, oh, okay, so Osama's gone.
[00:06:49]  Osama bin Laden has been killed.
[00:06:50]  So then I guess we can stop fighting these wars.
[00:06:54]  Or I guess we can repeal the Patriot Act now.
[00:06:57]  Or I guess, you know, I can stop getting groped every time I go to get on an airplane.
[00:07:02]  And they're like, oh, no, no, no, none of that's actually going to change.
[00:07:05]  But we still got to be really thankful that we got this guy.
[00:07:08]  And you start to ask yourself, so what exactly have we won?
[00:07:13]  What, like, what, what does this mean that we got this if none of the awful things that we've had to put ourselves through in the name of getting this are going away?
[00:07:23]  And that's kind of how I feel about the virus.
[00:07:26]  And of course, the same thing when we killed Osama bin Laden, what they'd say is like, basically, maybe they wouldn't say this exactly word for word, but the implication would be: okay, so no, we're not ending any of the wars now.
[00:07:39]  We're not abolishing the Patriot Act.
[00:07:40]  We're not abolishing the TSA.
[00:07:42]  We're not going back to a pre-9/11 world.
[00:07:44]  We're not abolishing the Department of Homeland Security or anything like that.
[00:07:48]  But this kind of brings us a little bit closer to the possibility of doing those things.
[00:07:54]  Like, this is a big milestone in the war on terror.
[00:07:57]  Of course, now, nearly a decade later, none of that stuff has been abolished.
[00:08:03]  None of it's been scaled back.
[00:08:04]  In fact, it's been expanded, if anything.
[00:08:08]  So, in fact, when it comes to the wars, greatly expanded since 2000, when was it 2011, 2012, 2012, I guess, when they got Osama.
[00:08:19]  And it's a little concerning with that stuff with the vaccine as well.
[00:08:24]  Basically, what they're saying is that, oh, yes, this vaccine, it's funny because simultaneously, you're not allowed to question it, but they also are saying, oh, we have all these questions, so you still can't travel.
[00:08:38]  You still can't take off your face mask.
[00:08:40]  You still have to social distance because we have all of these questions.
[00:08:44]  But then someone says, Well, I have a lot of questions about the vaccine.
[00:08:46]  It's like, sir, you're a Nazi and you're banned from social media.
[00:08:49]  So that's more or less what's going on now.
[00:08:52]  Very weird.
[00:08:55]  Amongst what you were saying with the, you know, what, did something just happen?
[00:08:59]  Yeah, you sound better now for a second.
[00:09:00]  You didn't.
[00:09:01]  All right, keep going.
[00:09:02]  Okay.
[00:09:02]  Amongst what you were saying that Twitter and Facebook are going to censor, will they censor a first-hand account?
[00:09:09]  Like if you personally get the vaccine and have a negative side effect and you choose to tweet about that, will they go so far as to even censor that?
[00:09:16]  I don't know.
[00:09:17]  It's an interesting question, though.
[00:09:19]  As always, they're incredibly vague with the terms that they lay out.
[00:09:24]  So it's all a question of how they will enforce it.
[00:09:27]  That's a very interesting question.
[00:09:29]  Yeah, my take on the vaccine, it's interesting because usually you and I would say, hey, EPA, it's getting in the way of, or in this case, the FDA gets in the way of innovation.
[00:09:39]  And look, if you unwind what they're doing, look how quickly something can come to market.
[00:09:44]  But there's something that seems really shady about the way that they're trying to sell this one, like the same way as that they've been preaching, hey, you got to have to lockdowns.
[00:09:57]  It just seems the same mechanics that lied us about other stuff seem to be really going ham on this one, which makes me think just let as many of other people take it first and just try and delay as long as possible, like getting it because, you know, let the market test it.
[00:10:13]  Yeah.
[00:10:13]  No, well, I, I, you know, I, given the choices that we have, I mean, there's that, that is certainly going to be what we should do right now.
[00:10:22]  Uh, so yes, given the options that we have right now, uh, that is certainly what we should do.
[00:10:29]  I mean, what else are you going to do, right?
[00:10:31]  Like, let the other people have it.
[00:10:32]  But the idea also that that's crazy to me is that it just seems so obvious that if you have a vaccine that you're highly confident in and you're like, this works, this will reduce, this will, you know, ensure that you don't get sick if you have the virus, right?
[00:10:51]  Because this is basically what they're saying right now, that we know that this vaccine will ensure that you don't get sick if you have the virus.
[00:11:01]  However, we're not sure that you still can't get it and that you still can't transmit it to other people.
[00:11:07]  And so that is the reason why you, you know, we need everybody to get it before we can ease up on any of the restrictions.
[00:11:18]  I have some questions on that.
[00:11:19]  First is, I would think that if you're testing something, you would test, like you'd give the vaccine, or maybe you'd get someone ill or you'd like, isn't there a way to check like transferability?
[00:11:32]  Like amongst running a test, if you actually have a lot of test subjects, isn't there a way to give someone the vaccine and then see if they actually infect a single other person?
[00:11:41]  Like it seems like that goes back to the beginning of this where they seem to have kind of flip-flopped on whether or not if you don't have any symptoms, you can actually infect other people.
[00:11:51]  I don't even know where we stand on that because they seem to kind of go back and forth, but there's a lot of just assume the worst.
[00:11:59]  Yes, there's very weak evidence that asymptomatic people actually can spread the virus from the latest stuff that I've read about it.
[00:12:06]  Now, that's not to say that there's conclusive proof that you can't, but there certainly isn't conclusive proof that you can.
[00:12:13]  And so, but the bigger issue to me with this stuff is that it's like, okay, so if you're going to say that you're concerned this can still spread people, then what we should do, which is really what we should have done from the very beginning, is say, hey, we already kind of know who could potentially die from this.
[00:12:33]  It's really not the entire population.
[00:12:35]  It's a very small sliver of the population.
[00:12:38]  It tends to be people with certain like five or six different underlying conditions and very old people, which, you know, there's a lot of overlap between the two.
[00:12:50]  So why don't we put all of our effort into vaccinating them and let other people live their fucking lives.
[00:12:56]  Just like from the very beginning, we should have been protecting the vulnerable and letting other people live their fucking lives.
[00:13:02]  But they don't seem to have any interest in doing that.
[00:13:05]  And that's what's getting really creepy about this is that more and more it becomes clear that they don't, that's not the goal.
[00:13:12]  Their goal isn't actually to try to resolve this thing.
[00:13:16]  And so instead of go, instead of using the vaccine in terms of protecting the vulnerable, what they're trying to do is protect the spreader or to stop the spreaders, okay?
[00:13:27]  Which means everyone has to get the vaccine.
[00:13:31]  And that will take a very long time for it to happen.
[00:13:36]  So this just bought them another, you know, depending on who you listen to, a year and a half, according to Bill Gates, who evidently is now dictating science policy.
[00:13:49]  So another year and a half, according to Bill Gates, another, we can go through all of this time and we'll all have to, and the real danger is that if the American people were to put up with this for over another year, at that point, it's like, it's like the pre-COVID world is just such a distant memory, you know?
[00:14:12]  And it's really scary the idea that there wouldn't be this like, you know what I mean?
[00:14:16]  Like it will be so accepted, this new form of living at that point.
[00:14:21]  They want to force people to take this vaccine.
[00:14:24]  That is very clear to me.
[00:14:26]  And you can tell that they've already kind of inserted into the narrative the idea that you'd have to be crazy to not take the vaccine and all of this.
[00:14:33]  And they'll probably just force people through indirect means.

=== Forced Vaccination Risks (14:04) ===

[00:14:38]  You know, your kid has to get it in order to go to school.
[00:14:41]  You have to get it in order to open your business, all of this stuff.
[00:14:45]  But I got to say, I think it's a very important thing for libertarians to take a stand that not only do we oppose forced vaccinations, but that this is like a non-negotiable issue for us.
[00:15:01]  That we absolutely, I mean, if libertarians are not against the government forcing you to inject a dead virus into your body, well, then we could never claim that we stand for rights of the individual or against any type of, you know, like what type of state power would you be against.
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[00:16:41]  You know, Tucker Carlson made this point the other night that he was saying, you know, if you actually want this to work, you would need a lot of social trust.
[00:16:49]  You know what I mean?
[00:16:50]  For this, in order for this to happen.
[00:16:53]  And I'll say for me personally, it does not inspire a lot of social trust when there is absolute concerted effort to silence any information that is critical of the vaccine or is talking about side effects or things like that.
[00:17:07]  And look, what we know from this vaccine, there are side effects.
[00:17:11]  You get sick.
[00:17:12]  I don't know if you saw this video that's going viral.
[00:17:14]  I don't even know if it's fucking true, but the nurse who faints after fucking getting the vaccine is so freaking weird.
[00:17:20]  I don't know if it's real or not, but it's been, it's been like reported by a bunch of news sites.
[00:17:24]  But then there was this other nurse who literally, you know, had like, had no history of allergies, had an allergic reaction to it, and was hospitalized, was sent to the emergency room.
[00:17:34]  Now, okay, I don't know what percentage this, you know, is indicative of, but the idea that we can't talk about this or we're going to silence people who start having concerns about this.
[00:17:45]  And as usual, it's not just random people, it is medical professionals, it is doctors who are raising concerns about the trials that they did for this vaccine and other issues with side effects.
[00:17:57]  So, anyway, the whole thing is just pretty fucking creepy.
[00:18:00]  But the most infuriating thing is that when you go back through this whole year of the like two weeks to flatten the curve, and we just have to make sure the hospitals aren't overwhelmed.
[00:18:09]  Then you see that the hospitals aren't overwhelmed at all.
[00:18:11]  And then that turns into, well, we need to see cases going down.
[00:18:15]  And then when you see cases going down, that turns into, well, we need no new cases.
[00:18:19]  And then that turns into we have to wait for the vaccine.
[00:18:22]  And now, lo and behold, here's the vaccine.
[00:18:25]  And these motherfuckers are telling us that all of 2021 is going to continue with these COVID restrictions.
[00:18:31]  And it's just like, it is truly like hard, hard to believe that it's really happening.
[00:18:38]  But that's what's going to happen going forward: they're going to get the vaccine out there.
[00:18:43]  And that is still not going to be good enough.
[00:18:46]  They all should have voted for Trump.
[00:18:48]  Yeah.
[00:18:49]  You really think after the vaccine, they're keeping things locked down.
[00:18:52]  It just seems weird to me that they're flowing that way.
[00:18:55]  Yeah.
[00:18:56]  Well, I'll tell you that the way, you know, when the New York Times is reporting something like that, take it seriously.
[00:19:06]  They don't just put things out in the New York Times for no reason.
[00:19:09]  That is the center of the corporate press.
[00:19:11]  And this is what the plan is as of right now.
[00:19:17]  So we'll see.
[00:19:19]  I mean, I'm not saying I know for sure, but I'll tell you that like Bill Gates is saying this, the New York Times is saying this, CNN, MSNBC.
[00:19:25]  These are not, you know, I'm not saying these are the just because they say it, it happens, but it's not like random, powerless people who are making this claim.
[00:19:34]  This is coming straight from, you know, establishment, you know, very important people claiming this.
[00:19:40]  So that would be my guess is that, yeah, that is, that is what they're going to try to do with this.
[00:19:44]  It's also going to be creepy as hell, I guess, when they start requiring proof of vaccination, which isn't even really like I would think, just conceptually, if like taking the vaccine protects you from getting sick, so then I should be free.
[00:19:58]  It's like not wearing a seatbelt.
[00:19:59]  I should be free to, if I, if I want to take the risk upon myself of still getting sick, that shouldn't harm you, especially if they're saying that people that got it can still spread it.
[00:20:08]  So in terms of spread, but this is the, you know, kind of evil genius in their narrative about COVID, but you can still spread it to others.
[00:20:17]  So we have to protect you.
[00:20:18]  No, what I'm saying, even if you're vaccinated, you can still apparently spread it.
[00:20:23]  So if that's the case, it's only for personal protection.
[00:20:26]  And so why should they require anyone to get it?
[00:20:28]  Yeah, that is a very good point.
[00:20:29]  I actually hadn't thought about it like that before.
[00:20:31]  But if, yeah, you're, and I guess they, they would hide behind, well, we don't know for sure that you can still spread it.
[00:20:37]  Yeah, but that bullshit of we don't know.
[00:20:39]  So we're going to go with the harshest possible, um, like the harshest possible thing we can.
[00:20:45]  It does, that's that, we got to somehow get rid of that.
[00:20:48]  I mean, at a minimum, there's a lot of dumb things we got to get rid of, but that one's like particularly flagrant.
[00:20:53]  Hey, we're not sure.
[00:20:54]  So you just got to stay home and not move at all.
[00:20:58]  Well, to your point, Rob, Andrew Yang, the former presidential candidate and CNN contributor now, Andrew Yang tweeted out, is there a way for somebody to easily show that they have been vaccinated?
[00:21:12]  Like a barcode they can download on their phone.
[00:21:15]  There ought to be.
[00:21:17]  To which I responded, maybe a microchip in the head.
[00:21:20]  Just spitballing here.
[00:21:22]  But so this is this is what they're what, you know, some people in the establishment are talking about.
[00:21:29]  Yeah, this is really how can we find out who's been vaccinated and who hasn't?
[00:21:35]  Now, you can certainly say that, okay, this is all, there's already been, you know, kind of precedent set for, I don't know, getting your kids vaccinated and sending them to public school.
[00:21:46]  And there's already a way to prove that or like a note from the doctor or whatever it is.
[00:21:51]  But obviously you can kind of see the slippery slope of this staring you right in the face, which is what?
[00:21:58]  You can't operate your business.
[00:22:01]  You can't travel.
[00:22:02]  You can't do all of these things unless you've got, let's say, a government barcode somewhere that tells them that you have in fact had your government shots.
[00:22:13]  And this is this is the future that we're staring at.
[00:22:17]  I mean, that might sound a little bit crazy, but doesn't everything else that's happened this year kind of seem like it's not that far of a leap that people are kind of musing about like Andrew Yang.
[00:22:31]  Scary.
[00:22:31]  And then what's to keep them, even if this vaccine isn't the evil one, to creating the evil one that you're forced to take or the one that reads your thoughts?
[00:22:38]  I mean, you can go down the dystopian nightmare as far as you want, but it's a scary precedent.
[00:22:43]  Yeah, it's a scary precedent to say that we're just going to all accept that the government can, you know, forcefully inject you with something and then, you know, I mean, like pretty blatantly force you and then you can't do anything without it.
[00:22:59]  And yeah, there's something creepy about that.
[00:23:02]  And then if it's really that good, are most of us not going to take it?
[00:23:06]  You really just need a critical mass or not even a critical mass.
[00:23:08]  Like I think they said for, what is it, 20% for herd immunity?
[00:23:12]  I never, I wasn't sure on that number.
[00:23:14]  What's the number of people that need, you know, I'm not sure.
[00:23:18]  Well, whatever it is, if you have the vaccine, it probably doesn't take too long to get to that number.
[00:23:22]  So the idea that everyone needs to take it probably isn't true.
[00:23:25]  You can have, I guess, you know, free riders like us that go, hey, I'm going to put the risk on other people.
[00:23:30]  And society as a whole could probably get away with that.
[00:23:33]  But if it's really that good and it's going to be that helpful, there's plenty of products we all willingly purchase because they're good.
[00:23:40]  So, you know, put it out on the market, convince us it's good.
[00:23:43]  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:23:44]  No, there's a whole lot of products out there, like too many to possibly be able to name that are safer than previous products and then therefore just win out in the marketplace.
[00:23:57]  Because protecting people's safety is something that we're very easily incentivized to do.
[00:24:02]  So we don't need to be manipulated into it.
[00:24:05]  So when people are trying to manipulate you and force you into it, it's that is reason enough to become a little bit suspicious.
[00:24:13]  And, you know, it's also just the fact that the experts who are coming up with these policies have been wrong about everything.
[00:24:24]  And I'm sorry, it does not make sense.
[00:24:27]  Like there is absolutely no way that now I could understand where it makes sense for people to get a vaccine who are in certain high-risk groups, perhaps.
[00:24:40]  But you're talking about what children who have astronomically low chances of any type of serious illness from this virus, they have low chances of getting the virus and then incredibly low chances of anything bad happening to them from it.
[00:24:54]  I mean, I would have to be thoroughly convinced that the vaccine was substantially less dangerous to children than the virus is.
[00:25:05]  And I'm not as of now.
[00:25:07]  So I certainly, as a parent, would not have my daughter vaccinated with this thing.
[00:25:13]  And of course, then the other thing is that the experts are just, they've been wrong so much.
[00:25:18]  They've been wrong so much this year.
[00:25:20]  And a lot of that is because they don't understand this virus.
[00:25:24]  And the other thing is because, you know, a lot of them are just fucking liars.
[00:25:27]  And that's that.
[00:25:28]  But, you know, just the like you could do a whole greatest hits from our podcast over the last year, but just in the last couple weeks.
[00:25:38]  So Fauci and a whole bunch of these other, you know, experts predicted that if people traveled for Thanksgiving, there would be a huge spike, a massive spike in COVID because of people traveling for Thanksgiving, right?
[00:25:54]  People traveled.
[00:25:56]  One of the things, God bless America, people didn't listen.
[00:26:00]  We've got some numbers in now.
[00:26:01]  There was more air travel over Thanksgiving this year than there was in 2018, two years earlier.
[00:26:09]  Less than a little bit marginally less than 2019, but more than 2018.
[00:26:14]  So in other words, it was like a normal year.
[00:26:16]  It was just like a normal year, which by the way, if you look at total deaths right now, it's just like a normal year.
[00:26:24]  So there is pretty much no question at this point.
[00:26:27]  And it's been enough time after Thanksgiving now.
[00:26:31]  What is it?
[00:26:31]  It's December 18th as we're recording this.
[00:26:35]  So it's been enough time that we would kind of know by now.
[00:26:40]  And there wasn't some huge spike, nothing even close to what would correlate to Fauci saying it would be super dangerous to travel.
[00:26:49]  So what do they do with that information?
[00:26:51]  You know, like this is this is the thing that's really damning.
[00:26:54]  It's not getting it wrong.
[00:26:56]  It's not getting it wrong.
[00:26:57]  I can live with people getting it wrong.
[00:26:59]  It's this.
[00:27:00]  It's they get it wrong.
[00:27:02]  So what do they do?
[00:27:03]  We don't want people to travel for Christmas.
[00:27:06]  So they get it wrong and then recommend the exact same thing coming up for the next week.
[00:27:12]  That's what's infuriating, that they get it wrong and then are completely unaffected by the results of their predictions.
[00:27:20]  It's like, oh, like just fully confidently predicting this is going to happen, the opposite happens, and then fully confidently, completely unaffected, predicting the same thing again.
[00:27:32]  That's what's infuriating.
[00:27:33]  It reminds me of like when Barack Obama was talking about the war in Libya and he said, you know, my biggest regret was not thinking about what to do after Gaddafi was overthrown.
[00:27:46]  And you're like, yeah, I could maybe understand that regret if we hadn't just fought a war in Iraq where the exact same thing happened.
[00:27:54]  Like, that's what's crazy is that these people are unaffected by their failures.
[00:27:59]  So after the war in Iraq, you know, to the idea that you would go into another war and not think, hey, you know, if we topple this secular dictator, this, this could go bad.
[00:28:13]  Anyway, travel for Christmas.
[00:28:15]  That's what I'm, that's, that's the heart of my message.
[00:28:18]  Travel for Christmas.
[00:28:20]  Fuck all of these guys.
[00:28:22]  Um, or Hanukkah.
[00:28:23]  And no one seems to call him out for it at Fauci's next press conference when he goes, I don't have no one should move because the worst things are even coming.
[00:28:30]  No one goes, well, didn't you just say that?
[00:28:33]  I think you just said that and it didn't happen.
[00:28:35]  Well, this time it's going to be even worse.
[00:28:37]  Well, what evidence do you have now?
[00:28:38]  Like, is that the same model you used that time when you told us this and it turned out to be false?

=== Press Conference Criticism (02:04) ===

[00:28:43]  No, that's exactly it.
[00:28:45]  And it's again, to be completely fair, it's not that no one calls them out because you know, we're doing that right now.
[00:28:50]  And there are other, you know, I saw the Daily Caller.
[00:28:52]  That was the only press.
[00:28:54]  That was the only publication I saw that Fauci article from.
[00:28:56]  Yeah.
[00:28:57]  Yeah.
[00:28:57]  There were, there were a couple people.
[00:28:58]  I think Tucker Carlson called them out and all this.
[00:29:00]  So, you know, so like there's, there's a couple people here or there who will do it.
[00:29:03]  And of course, in the alternative media, there's a lot of people who will do it.
[00:29:07]  But the room full of journalists who Fauci is holding a press conference for, none of them are doing it.
[00:29:14]  None of them are calling him out.
[00:29:16]  And the information's like right there.
[00:29:18]  I mean, it's things like, hey, you said this a few weeks ago.
[00:29:21]  You were dead wrong about that.
[00:29:23]  So what are we doing here?
[00:29:25]  And there's all types of like misinformation, all types of misinformation that just gets put out there.
[00:29:31]  And it's like, well, it was said by the quote unquote experts.
[00:29:34]  And so therefore, we're just going to say this is this is the way it is.
[00:29:40]  You know, someone says the hospitals are overwhelmed.
[00:29:43]  Tom Woods, by the way, if you don't subscribe to Tom Woods' newsletter, you really should.
[00:29:47]  It's fucking phenomenal.
[00:29:48]  He puts them out like every day.
[00:29:50]  You should read it.
[00:29:51]  He's like, puts out a new piece every day.
[00:29:53]  He, I mean, he put like the charts in.
[00:29:56]  And this idea that hospitals are being overwhelmed, which I've seen a few reports of, is complete bullshit.
[00:30:05]  Complete bullshit.
[00:30:07]  You know, there's like absolutely no evidence that any hospitals like or that hospitals in general are overwhelmed.
[00:30:14]  The ICU wards are not.
[00:30:15]  This is just not true.
[00:30:18]  And so it's like this stuff just keeps getting spread because we've decided who the official ministers of science are.
[00:30:25]  And it's Fauci and his crowd.
[00:30:27]  And it doesn't matter how wrong they are.
[00:30:29]  Doesn't matter how wrong they are.
[00:30:30]  We're just going to repeat this again.
[00:30:32]  And as you said, there's kind of like in medicine, they have the do no harm principle.
[00:30:40]  So like that's like a very basic like principle in medicine is that you don't just start mucking around.

=== Do No Harm Principle (02:31) ===

[00:30:47]  You know what I mean?
[00:30:48]  Like you first, first thing is do no harm.
[00:30:50]  You don't just, you know what I mean?
[00:30:51]  Unless you know what you're doing, like you don't just start moving, you know, organs around and see if this works.
[00:30:57]  It's like first things first, do no harm.
[00:30:59]  And I wish a little bit of that principle would be applied with this stuff.
[00:31:04]  After all, seeing as how we are talking about doctors and scientists, like the idea that, oh, okay, well, now after seeing what happened with Thanksgiving, we have no real evidence that travel is going to, you know what I mean, spread this thing, but let's just ban Thanksgiving anyway.
[00:31:19]  Well, why would we err on the side of ruining people's holidays who have been through a really tough year?
[00:31:25]  Why wouldn't we err on the side of like, okay, well, let's err on the side of freedom?
[00:31:28]  Let's err on the side of not, you know, fucking up people's lives if we don't know what the hell we're talking about.
[00:31:34]  That just seems more reasonable.
[00:31:37]  Um, so anyway, it's uh, it's it's really something to say.
[00:31:43]  It's something, it's something to say.
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=== Stimulus Bill Breakdown (09:39) ===

[00:33:18]  The other thing that really just, you know, fucks them all over or destroys their whole argument is that it's not, you know, it's like the states that are locked down are not like in any demonstrable way doing better than states that aren't locked down.
[00:33:36]  And this is true also for countries that are locked down versus countries that aren't.
[00:33:40]  There's examples here and there, but by and large, there's really no conclusive evidence that the lockdowns even work.
[00:33:49]  Like we were saying before, you know, they do this.
[00:33:51]  This is the thing.
[00:33:52]  They do this report.
[00:33:52]  Oh, and it comes back 1.4% of the cases were spread at bars and restaurants.
[00:33:57]  And you'd be like, oh, okay, good.
[00:33:59]  We're following the science.
[00:34:00]  So we have some science now.
[00:34:01]  So we won't shut down bars and restaurants again.
[00:34:03]  Nope, we're going to shut them down because fuck you.
[00:34:06]  So that's that's just what we're going to do.
[00:34:08]  And it's pretty goddamn infuriating.
[00:34:12]  And people are really feeling it because it's, you know, destroyed so many people's livelihoods.
[00:34:18]  So the government answer to that is looks to be another round of stimulus, which now I've seen just over the last hour, they're reporting that, you know, talks have stalled between Nancy Pelosi and McConnell and McConnell in the Senate.
[00:34:40]  Yeah, that's right.
[00:34:42]  But the, so they're talking about stimulus negotiations.
[00:34:47]  The plan that was floated out was about a trillion dollar bill that would give $600 to everybody.
[00:34:58]  If you do the math, it doesn't quite add up.
[00:35:00]  So there'll be a whole bunch of other shit in there.
[00:35:03]  You know, it's not just like, you know, like in any, even, I mean, you know, like me and you can reject everything about the government and how awful this whole system is, but you'd think if there was any sanity to the system, you would just have like a bill where you're like, okay, here's the number.
[00:35:17]  Now divide that evenly across Americans.
[00:35:20]  That would still be redistributionist and we would still maybe have some problems with it.
[00:35:24]  But like at least you'd understand, okay, it's kind of a reasonable way to do it.
[00:35:28]  Nope, not that at all.
[00:35:30]  It'll be another ginormous spending bill.
[00:35:33]  You know, if you removed this year from the equation, it'd be the biggest spending bill in the history of fucking, you know, earth.
[00:35:41]  And then you're like, and a little sliver off the end will go to the peons, a little sliver to them.
[00:35:47]  And by the way, it's not just that that little sliver goes to us.
[00:35:50]  It's also that they can turn around and do another stimulus in a month or two.
[00:35:54]  And also, this.
[00:35:56]  I can't explain it to you.
[00:35:57]  You can go do your own homework, but I was reading that on the last stimulus bill, I guess there's some money that is going back to the Treasury Department because it's unused.
[00:36:05]  I believe the number is $50 billion.
[00:36:07]  And they were saying that if they were to give that over to your Democratic cities for their bailouts, that money can then be leveraged at like 10 times X.
[00:36:18]  So when we get our $600, that's just $600 of stimulus.
[00:36:22]  I think in some factions of the government, I guess when they get that as stimulus, they're able to borrow against it or they're able to leverage it.
[00:36:30]  So it's actually larger dollar figures.
[00:36:32]  Interesting.
[00:36:33]  You got to do your own homework on that because that might just be very specific to the, I don't really fully understand what I just described to you, but I do know that that's an element that's in play.
[00:36:43]  It's certainly in play in the financial sector is if they give over a trillion dollars to Chase, like that's not just a trillion dollars to Chase Bank then.
[00:36:51]  Right, right.
[00:36:52]  No, I see what you're saying.
[00:36:53]  Yeah, there's a whole lot of, there's a whole lot to this stuff.
[00:36:57]  But it's also just so incredibly insulting.
[00:37:00]  I saw one article before.
[00:37:02]  I think it might have been on CNBC.
[00:37:04]  I can't, I was just looking for it and I couldn't find it.
[00:37:06]  But I was reading it before and they're like giving you financial advice on what to do with your six.
[00:37:12]  Pay off your car bill.
[00:37:13]  You just got an Oculus.
[00:37:14]  Yeah, really.
[00:37:15]  There you go.
[00:37:17]  But it's really, they're actually giving people advice and they're like, well, it's always best to put as much toward retirement as possible.
[00:37:24]  Paying off credit card balances first is the most because they're the highest interest and all this stuff.
[00:37:28]  And you're like, this is like the most patronizing thing I've ever seen in my life.
[00:37:32]  Like people are desperate.
[00:37:35]  The whole thing is so ridiculous.
[00:37:37]  It's like not like you're going to now, you gave people 1200 bucks in March and now you're going to give them 600 bucks, what, in January?
[00:37:46]  And this is supposed to substitute for destroying people's livelihoods for the entire year.
[00:37:53]  And like, it's, it's like, what a joke this whole thing is.
[00:37:56]  And what's becoming clear and clear to people, and here's what's kind of interesting, right?
[00:38:01]  Is that a lot of when, if you remember, right, when our lives were first disrupted and me and you started, you know, doing these shows over the freaking computer and not in the studio and the whole world got flipped upside down.
[00:38:18]  At the very beginning, one of the things we were focusing on was that there were, as always, you know, when there's a fucking crisis, what do they start doing?
[00:38:28]  Start kicking libertarians, you know, like that's, so they go, well, this, you know, disproves libertarianism and there's you can't be libertarian in a pandemic and all this stuff.
[00:38:38]  And me and you would be there pointing out that actually all of the failures are pretty much by the government and that libertarian answers would be much better than the current answers or supposed solutions that we have in front of us.
[00:38:52]  And they, you know, it's like, well, people need welfare at this point, right?
[00:38:57]  I mean, we have to shut down because of the pandemic.
[00:38:59]  So people need welfare.
[00:39:00]  So back then in March, people were saying, well, look, we have to do this lockdown and people are going to have to have welfare because the truth is you're going to have to not work and you're going to have to have welfare coming from the government.
[00:39:12]  And back then, it was a harder argument to make than now.
[00:39:17]  Not that it was impossible, but it was a harder argument to make back then that there was clear evidence that the lockdowns were bullshit and that we don't need lockdowns and that, you know, because back then they were projecting a much higher death rate, higher death numbers, you know, all of these things that have now kind of all been destroyed.
[00:39:35]  Like the even the projection of millions of people dying with no lockdowns, well, they've got some problems on their hands now, which is like the fact that, look, even here in America, like I was saying, in Florida, they're doing better with COVID than in New York, where they're open, they're actually doing better than where they locked down.
[00:39:51]  In Sweden, they were saying when they didn't have lockdowns, they predicted they'd have close to 100,000 deaths by the end of summer.
[00:39:58]  Except the problem is Sweden still hasn't hit 8,000 deaths now in a country of 10 million people.
[00:40:03]  So now, when you look back at those projections of what we do if we don't lock down, it's a much tougher sell in hindsight because you're like, actually, there is no evidence that when you don't lock down, oh my God, these numbers skyrocket.
[00:40:16]  But when you lock down, they're completely contained.
[00:40:18]  That's not that, that's not what the data bears out at all.
[00:40:21]  But back then, you don't know.
[00:40:22]  There's these projections, and that's what they're saying.
[00:40:24]  And we didn't know as much about the virus and other things.
[00:40:27]  So it was a tougher argument to make back then.
[00:40:30]  Now it's much more of a slam dunk.
[00:40:32]  But in terms of the welfare argument, now, I mean, now we're really even in a stronger position on that argument as well.
[00:40:41]  Because now you start to look at how the state apparatus actually works and how every round of welfare requires all of this like fucking crazy partisan fighting.
[00:40:53]  And the only thing that they can agree on is like, it seems like the fighting isn't even about giving people help.
[00:41:00]  The fighting is about like which crony gets a fucking bailout in the middle of this thing, like which corporate welfare we're going to go with, your friends or my friends.
[00:41:09]  And every single time it's basically just raping the American people more, because of course, when they spend tax dollars on, you know, crony corporations, they're taking it from future taxpayers.
[00:41:22]  So they're stealing it from you in the future to bail out other people and you maybe get a little slice of the pie, which kind of is the case with the whole welfare state in general.
[00:41:32]  But you also start to realize at this point that there's just, you can't welfare your way out of this.
[00:41:39]  There's just no way to.
[00:41:41]  So, okay, maybe people get another $600 check.
[00:41:44]  Maybe they get another $600 check after that.
[00:41:46]  Make it five more.
[00:41:48]  If you can imagine them doing five more of these bills.
[00:41:50]  So what?
[00:41:51]  Is that going to save anybody in the middle class?
[00:41:54]  Is a few payments of $600 going to save anybody?
[00:41:58]  The only way to save these people, there's only one thing you can do, and that's open the fucking economy and let people get back to work.
[00:42:09]  The only way to save people is to let them save themselves.
[00:42:12]  It's the only option we have in front of us if we don't want to just destroy the middle class in this country.
[00:42:18]  And I think the problem is that some people do want to destroy the middle class in this country, or at least they're quite happy to put their head in the sand while it happens.
[00:42:26]  So that's where we're at now.
[00:42:30]  The libertarian argument, if you take it like from March to now, has gotten stronger than it's ever been.
[00:42:37]  Did you look into, because I didn't do much research on the bill, do you know where most of that money's going?
[00:42:42]  Well, the thing is that there isn't even an official bill yet.
[00:42:45]  It's just a proposal.
[00:42:47]  So I haven't gotten the details on it.
[00:42:50]  All that I know about the first proposal was that it was just under a trillion dollars and it was $600 payments to people.

=== Shady Crony Negotiations (01:09) ===

[00:42:58]  So no, I don't know exactly where it's going, but the rest of it is all going to be in some shady crony shit.
[00:43:03]  But now they're saying those negotiations have stalled and that now they're renegotiating a different bill.
[00:43:08]  So we'll see what ends up happening.
[00:43:10]  You know, we'll see what they end up coming up with.
[00:43:14]  But I can all but guarantee it'll be filled with a bunch of corporate bailouts because that's just how these things always work.
[00:43:21]  Do you think when like McConnell actually does these negotiations, he sits there and someone else talks for him?
[00:43:27]  Because if you had to sit there through all that grumbling and just slowness, I feel like even Nancy Pelosi would be like, fucking talk.
[00:43:34]  Come on.
[00:43:34]  I'm going to die before you get the sentence out.
[00:43:37]  That's why it's taken so long to get this next stimulus package going.
[00:43:40]  He's just been talking this whole time.
[00:43:45]  Yeah, a whole bunch of that shit.
[00:43:47]  All right.
[00:43:47]  So I hope it hasn't been too obvious, but we've been having a lot of technical difficulties with this show.
[00:43:51]  So we're going to have to cut this one a little bit short, but we will be back with a brand new episode and we'll go a little bit long on the next one to make up for it.
[00:43:59]  So we love you all.
[00:44:00]  Thanks for listening.
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