Part Of The Problem - Dave Smith - How Much Does This Election Matter?
Aired: 2020-10-31
Duration: 56:12


=== Violence and Election Concerns (14:51) ===

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[00:00:29]  Here's your host, James Smith.
[00:00:33]  What's up, everybody?
[00:00:34]  Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem.
[00:00:38]  I am solo for this episode.
[00:00:41]  My fault, not Robbie the Fire, Bernstein's.
[00:00:43]  I had to switch around the time last minute and Robbie couldn't do it, but we were supposed to record earlier today.
[00:00:50]  So this one's on me.
[00:00:52]  I have deprived you of Robbie the Fire Bernstein today.
[00:00:55]  But I've brought you a lot of Robbie the Fire Bernstein in the past.
[00:00:59]  So let's just call this one even.
[00:01:01]  But my apologies for this.
[00:01:03]  So anyway, I'll rant to you, good people, about some things that are on my mind as we close in now on Election Day, just a few days away from this pretty big election.
[00:01:20]  So as I'm recording this, it is Friday and Tuesday is Election Night.
[00:01:27]  And we'll see.
[00:01:28]  We'll see what happens.
[00:01:30]  I was on Kennedy last night, which was really cool.
[00:01:35]  It was really cool to be back on that show.
[00:01:38]  I love Kennedy and I love her whole staff.
[00:01:42]  Some really great people there.
[00:01:43]  And it's the only libertarian show in cable news.
[00:01:47]  And it's the first television show that ever put me on.
[00:01:51]  So I always am always particularly grateful to them.
[00:01:53]  And they were off the air for months during the pandemic and they just got back on.
[00:02:00]  So it was kind of cool.
[00:02:02]  It was kind of a little bit of like a return to normal type feeling for me, even though I did it from right here, where I am right now.
[00:02:10]  They're not having the panel in studio.
[00:02:12]  So that part kind of sucked.
[00:02:13]  And it's not nearly as much fun to do a panel over, you know, the internet.
[00:02:20]  But it was cool.
[00:02:21]  It was fun to be back on.
[00:02:23]  And so yeah, if you didn't check it out, go check that out.
[00:02:26]  There's probably get it online somewhere.
[00:02:30]  But one of the things that struck me when we were on the show is that it did seem like the tone of the show was that Trump is more likely than not going to lose.
[00:02:43]  That's what Kennedy was saying.
[00:02:45]  She says at this point, she'd be surprised if Donald Trump won.
[00:02:48]  One of the questions was about what Trump should do if he loses.
[00:02:52]  Not that she was saying it's a certainty or anything like that, but the tone was kind of the expectation is Biden is the frontrunner.
[00:03:00]  And I just don't see it.
[00:03:03]  I don't see it.
[00:03:04]  I mean, again, like I've said before, look, it is possible.
[00:03:08]  This is a close race.
[00:03:10]  And I understand why Kennedy or some other people like that would look at this and be like, yeah, it looks like Biden's going to win.
[00:03:16]  I mean, if you look at the polls, there's some troubling results for Donald Trump.
[00:03:26]  Biden is up around 10 to 12 points nationally.
[00:03:31]  Biden's up by, I think, a point in Florida.
[00:03:33]  If Biden wins Florida, Biden's the president.
[00:03:36]  I think it's very close in Pennsylvania.
[00:03:39]  And then what would be really troubling for the Trump campaign is the fact that Texas is in play.
[00:03:46]  Georgia is in play.
[00:03:48]  States where like Trump just can't lose.
[00:03:50]  I mean, if Trump loses Texas, there's zero path to the nomination.
[00:03:56]  So, you know, I could see where you would look at that and think, okay, these are promising signs for Joe Biden, damning signs for Donald Trump.
[00:04:05]  But I just don't buy it.
[00:04:08]  And I just, I think Trump's going to get reelected.
[00:04:12]  It just, first of all, I just don't see Texas going blue this year.
[00:04:17]  I just, I'd be shocked.
[00:04:18]  I'd be absolutely shocked.
[00:04:20]  I think Trump is going to win Texas.
[00:04:23]  The future of Texas, that's a whole nother story.
[00:04:25]  But this year, I do not see in this year Texas going blue.
[00:04:31]  I would just, that would really be shocking to me.
[00:04:36]  And I just think Donald Trump's going to end up winning Florida and Pennsylvania.
[00:04:40]  And I think Georgia stays red.
[00:04:42]  That's my guess.
[00:04:44]  It's just how it feels.
[00:04:46]  And I think, I don't know.
[00:04:48]  It was, I watched today, they each had campaign events.
[00:04:54]  And Donald Trump, you know, a very, you know, a typical Trump event, just thousands of people, Donald Trump doing his, you know, at his Trumpian best, just unscripted, stream of conscious,
[00:05:10]  just being funny and absurd, going harsh at Biden, hitting him hard on his mental decline and all these other issues, pounding home his issues, and just thousands of people having a great time, just fucking, you know, just this thing that Trump does that no other politician has ever done.
[00:05:30]  It's like this mix between like listening to a presidential candidate and also having a party and also like it's it's not even politics as much as it is entertainment, but he's just rock starring out in front of all these people.
[00:05:48]  And then I watch Joe Biden's event and he's first off, it's Joe Biden.
[00:05:56]  I mean, he just looks so old and he does that thing that Joe Biden does when he's outside.
[00:06:00]  So he squints, you know, he's like squinting.
[00:06:03]  And it's, it's a, I guess the audience is in their cars.
[00:06:09]  This is how Joe Biden gives his speeches now.
[00:06:11]  So the, so it's just an old man squinting and like yelling into the microphone.
[00:06:16]  And then every few minutes, cars will just start honking at him, which I guess is letting him know that they agree.
[00:06:25]  So they just honk.
[00:06:26]  But the optics of it were like the most awful thing you've ever seen.
[00:06:31]  Just some old man up there squinting with people honking horns at him.
[00:06:35]  It was hilarious to watch.
[00:06:37]  Me and my wife were dying watching it.
[00:06:38]  Like, this is the most ridiculous thing ever.
[00:06:42]  And I'm just looking at this and sensing the tone and the optics.
[00:06:46]  And I'm like, I just don't, I don't see it.
[00:06:49]  I don't see this guy winning.
[00:06:52]  And again, I stand by what I said.
[00:06:55]  Like, I, you know, it's, it's close and anything could happen.
[00:07:00]  But it just, I think Trump's going to get re-elected.
[00:07:03]  I think that's what's going to happen in a few days.
[00:07:06]  And that's, that'll be pretty interesting if I'm right or if I'm wrong.
[00:07:12]  Either way, it'll be, it'll be quite a show.
[00:07:15]  But if Donald Trump does end up getting reelected, you know, because that's kind of where we're at now, that you almost, you know, just like a few days out, you start to think, okay, well, what happens if Trump gets elected?
[00:07:27]  What happens if Biden gets elected?
[00:07:29]  So if Donald Trump gets reelected, a few things that are, I think, inevitably going to happen.
[00:07:38]  Number one, every left-winger, you know, their head is going to fucking explode.
[00:07:43]  I mean, this is going to be a real tipping point.
[00:07:49]  If we're, you know, if we haven't already gotten there, but this, this is going to be a new um milestone in the descent into craziness of this country.
[00:08:00]  This is going to destroy forever the credibility of pollsters.
[00:08:07]  I mean, all this talk about how dominant Joe is doing in the polls.
[00:08:11]  I mean, if the polls get it wrong again in 2020, after 2016, where they're, you know, there's those, was it Nate Silver, that guy was saying Hillary Clinton has a 97% chance of winning and all this stuff?
[00:08:23]  I mean, this is going to really just be devastating to the entire kind of corporate press apparatus.
[00:08:33]  And I think there's going to be riots.
[00:08:35]  I think there's going to be violence.
[00:08:36]  I think it's going to be bad.
[00:08:39]  You saw already Walmart just stopped selling ammunition because they're concerned about violence after the election, or at least that's what they're saying.
[00:08:49]  But forget even how you feel about the whole gun issue, which obviously I'd think if there's violence in the streets, that would be the time when good law-abiding citizens need ammunition more than ever.
[00:09:00]  But whatever.
[00:09:01]  All that aside, the fact is that people are expecting violence after this election.
[00:09:06]  And if we're all being honest with ourselves, I don't really think our big concern is that Trump supporters are going to go get violent in the streets if Donald Trump loses.
[00:09:17]  Like, let's get real.
[00:09:18]  The concern is that if Donald Trump wins, there's going to be leftists in the streets being violent.
[00:09:26]  And I think that's a very real concern.
[00:09:27]  I'd actually, it's unfortunate to say, but I'd be really, really surprised at this point if Trump were to get reelected and there weren't riots.
[00:09:36]  That would really surprise me.
[00:09:37]  I'll be happy to be surprised in that manner, but that would be surprising.
[00:09:44]  And so, yeah, so if Biden wins, on the other hand, there's some then there's kind of some interesting questions there.
[00:09:55]  I mean, okay, so then you get into power, the, you know, the Democrats come back into power this time with the more kind of radical edge to them.
[00:10:08]  But, you know, I think one of the major things that are missing from the mainstream narrative of the Democrats and them getting power is not, you know, it's like, and even Trump, and I think this was a big fuck up on Donald Trump's part because I, and I understand he wanted to connect them to the riots.
[00:10:31]  So he wants to connect them to the riots and to like the Bernie Sanders AOC wing of the Democratic Party.
[00:10:39]  And so what, you know, he's going down this road, which is probably somewhat appealing to like boomer cons, um, where he's like, well, basically, you know, Joe represents socialism.
[00:10:50]  Now, that's what's really getting in.
[00:10:52]  If you let Joe, Joe Biden, you know, into the White House, you're really letting socialists in.
[00:10:58]  And then Joe Biden gets to kind of say, hey, do I look like a socialist?
[00:11:01]  I mean, you guys have known me a long time.
[00:11:03]  I'm no socialist.
[00:11:04]  And he's kind of got a point.
[00:11:06]  He's not.
[00:11:06]  You know, Joe Biden is not a socialist.
[00:11:09]  He is a corrupt politician with a crackhead son who's, you know, perhaps a pedophile, but not a socialist.
[00:11:17]  He's actually worse than a socialist.
[00:11:20]  But he's just a fucking tool for big banks and credit card companies and the military industrial complex and all that.
[00:11:31]  But that's not the same thing as being like a fucking socialist.
[00:11:35]  Like truthfully speaking, Bernie Sanders isn't even a fucking socialist.
[00:11:39]  But, you know, whatever, fine.
[00:11:41]  If you want to call him one, that's fine.
[00:11:44]  But the real story and the real concern if Joe Biden gets in isn't that AOC and Ilhan Omar are really now secretly running the show.
[00:11:54]  That's not the concern at all.
[00:11:56]  The concern is that if Joe Biden gets in, Dick Cheney really got in.
[00:12:01]  That's what's really going on here that doesn't seem to be getting a lot of coverage is that is this thing where Joe Biden will be like, yeah, did you know that 30 different, you know, fucking CIA, NSA, and FBI Republican appointees just came out and endorsed me?
[00:12:17]  You know, do you know that all the fucking neocons from George W. Bush's administration endorsed me?
[00:12:22]  And in fact, and he's bragging about how if he gets in, I'm going to reach across the aisle and I'm going to appoint some Republicans to positions as well.
[00:12:30]  And what Republicans do you think he's talking about?
[00:12:32]  All the Bush Cheneyites.
[00:12:34]  That's who he's going to fucking put in there.
[00:12:36]  He'll bring in a mix of, you know, the Obama Warhawks and the Bush Warhawks.
[00:12:42]  So Susan Rice and fucking, you know, Kasich, John Kasich can all get jobs in the Joe Biden administration.
[00:12:51]  So that's really what's fucking creepy about Joe Biden getting it, is that it is a, not that Donald Trump ever broke that power, but it is a real consolidation of deep state, Warhawk, neocon, neolib establishment politicians taking back over the executive branch.
[00:13:12]  That's the threat.
[00:13:13]  And Trump hasn't really brought this up much.
[00:13:17]  I think he should, because I think it's something people don't like.
[00:13:20]  And I also think it's really, really dangerous.
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=== The Danger of Normalized Rioting (06:58) ===

[00:14:52]  I don't know if you guys saw that Glenn Greenwald left the intercept, which was extremely bizarre.
[00:15:00]  He just quit from the fucking news outlet that he owns.
[00:15:05]  He started it, but I guess they have like an editorial board or whatever.
[00:15:10]  And they wouldn't fucking publish his article unless he took out the stuff criticizing Joe Biden.
[00:15:17]  And basically what he was criticizing Joe Biden for was all of this shit.
[00:15:23]  He was criticizing him for basically representing the whole national security military industrial complex apparatus and the fact that, you know, so it's like, this is the creepy thing.
[00:15:37]  And this is what, you know, I don't know.
[00:15:41]  I feel like I just repeat myself too much sometimes with this shit, but this is like where people say, well, you're not critical enough of Trump and you always seem to be criticizing the other side.
[00:15:48]  And it's like, well, the other side represents the merger of George Bush, Dick Cheney, and Barack Obama's administrations.
[00:15:58]  And like, they're, you know, completely in line with the CIA, the FBI, the NSA, the Pentagon.
[00:16:07]  They're completely propped up by the entire corporate press and now the social media tech companies as well.
[00:16:15]  So that's pretty creepy.
[00:16:16]  But how about this?
[00:16:17]  Even the intercept, and the fucking intercept, the fucking news outlet that Glenn Greenwald started to break the Snowden case, even there, they're censoring Glenn Greenwald.
[00:16:30]  Not just censoring anybody.
[00:16:31]  They're censoring the guy who started this to break stories about the NSA.
[00:16:37]  So what does that fucking tell you?
[00:16:39]  I mean, it tells you that there's like a there's a culture of censorship, particularly criticizing Joe Biden and bringing up, you know, like things like the Hunter Biden scandal, which is, you know, I do think to some degree blown up in their face as they've tried to silence this whole story.
[00:17:00]  But anyway, I guess, you know, I don't want to say like, like, I believe everything I just said.
[00:17:09]  I think there's something really scary about Joe Biden winning.
[00:17:12]  I also think there's something really scary about Trump winning and the ensuing riots in the streets.
[00:17:19]  And, you know, I understand completely that that's not a legitimate reason to not want Trump to win.
[00:17:24]  And it's a dangerous game to play.
[00:17:26]  It's a really dangerous game to play to say, we'll give you what you want so you don't riot.
[00:17:32]  Because of course, then, you know, how do they get the next thing they want?
[00:17:36]  Well, they know now, you know.
[00:17:39]  I also don't think Joe Biden winning is going to stop riots from happening in the future.
[00:17:44]  I don't think they'll happen over the election, but I think that this is a really dangerous thing to establish.
[00:17:54]  Things are, and this is true.
[00:17:56]  It's particularly true of government programs, but it's true just of cultural norms as well.
[00:18:01]  It's very hard to undo something once it's already been established, once it's already become the norm.
[00:18:10]  One of the things I was watching today about Donald Trump's speech that really struck me was Donald Trump.
[00:18:17]  And this goes to Michael Malice's famous quote about how conservatives are progressives driving the speed limit.
[00:18:24]  That basically conservatives will always champion what the progressives were for a generation earlier.
[00:18:30]  And so one of Donald Trump's things that he ended a speech on was, we will protect people with pre-existing conditions.
[00:18:37]  And it's just like, that's it now.
[00:18:39]  That's it.
[00:18:40]  Remember when Obamacare first came out?
[00:18:41]  The Republicans were so against it.
[00:18:42]  Now Republicans are running on one of the central planks of Obamacare, as if it couldn't.
[00:18:51]  Of course, that couldn't possibly be questioned.
[00:18:53]  And this happens all the time, right?
[00:18:55]  There are no Republicans might talk about lowering taxes, but they ain't talking about eliminating taxes.
[00:19:01]  They're not talking about eliminating Medicare or Social Security.
[00:19:05]  They're not talking about, you know, the things that have already been won in the past are over.
[00:19:10]  They've become the norm and they've become expected.
[00:19:14]  And so it shows you you really have to fight these things before they get enacted.
[00:19:20]  You really have to not allow these new precedents to be set because once that they're, you know, we're creatures of inertia and norms.
[00:19:30]  And once something is considered, you know, normal, then that's just, you know, how we go.
[00:19:37]  And that's that's something to keep in mind with this whole crazy year.
[00:19:41]  Like, this is the real danger of all of this shit is that, you know, like so much of this stuff has been accepted as normal.
[00:19:52]  Living, you know, in, you know, in your home, wearing masks everywhere, not being allowed to go to sporting events, you know, the government telling you what you can do for Thanksgiving.
[00:20:02]  This shit has been, you know, people, the longer people live like this, the less weird that seems.
[00:20:09]  And we're still at a spot right now where we can at least kind of go like, hey, guys, it really wasn't that fucking long ago that we weren't living like this, but do another year like this.
[00:20:17]  And then it becomes almost like an ancient memory that we ever had any ounce of freedom.
[00:20:23]  So things like this are very, very dangerous.
[00:20:27]  And the thing with the rioting is like, it's kind of like, you know, now at this point, no matter who the president is, if the cops shoot some black guy, whether, as we've seen in Philly, whether it's justified or unjustified, what, you know, what do you think people are going to do?
[00:20:47]  Now, people have already decided that like rioting is how we respond to this to the point that it's starting to feel not that abnormal.
[00:20:56]  Like it's, that's, you, you already start to go like, oh, okay, you see a newspaper article, you know, the headline, black man shot by a police officer.
[00:21:06]  And you're like, okay, well, expect rioting tonight.
[00:21:08]  You know, that's just that.
[00:21:11]  It's like when the Breonna Taylor guys got off, we're all like, yeah, well, okay, they're going to, they're going to riot now.
[00:21:16]  Everybody knew it.
[00:21:18]  Like, yeah, here we go.
[00:21:19]  This is, it's riot time.
[00:21:21]  And, and destructive behavior becoming normal is very dangerous.
[00:21:28]  And that's something that, you know, is troubling to say the least.
[00:21:34]  You know, the bigger question that, you know, is, I think, on people's minds is kind of where, you know, where the country is going.
[00:21:45]  What's going to happen to this country, you know, after this presidential election.

=== Does the Election Actually Matter (02:37) ===

[00:21:51]  And I would say that, you know, one of the things that is worth asking yourself is how much this election really matters.
[00:22:01]  And I don't mean to say that it doesn't matter at all.
[00:22:04]  That's that's not what I'm saying.
[00:22:05]  Like I just laid out the things that I think do matter about it.
[00:22:09]  It's not, it's not, I'm not saying that they don't matter.
[00:22:11]  In fact, I was making fun of Joe Jorgensen on Twitter today, which I'm sorry.
[00:22:16]  I know I piss a lot of libertarians off when I do this.
[00:22:18]  And I probably, maybe I shouldn't.
[00:22:21]  I don't know.
[00:22:22]  I'm not a good team player.
[00:22:24]  You know, I'm not, I'm not good at just being like, okay, let me, I'll get on board and just support this candidate no matter what they say or do.
[00:22:31]  I just, I'm not good at that.
[00:22:33]  And I'm not good at biting my tongue.
[00:22:36]  But, you know, that also, whatever.
[00:22:40]  What I'm good at is, you know, kind of breaking this shit down and being entertaining, hopefully, and always telling you guys the truth.
[00:22:47]  But, you know, okay, so I'm sorry to those of you who it bothers that I make fun of Joe Jorgensen, but even you have to admit, she makes it very easy.
[00:22:56]  They really do.
[00:22:57]  But anyway, she tweeted out.
[00:22:58]  I don't know.
[00:22:59]  Do you know this meme?
[00:23:00]  It's from the office where it's like two pictures and then it's Pam from the office saying they're the same picture.
[00:23:07]  It's the meme goes around a lot, but it's just to basically call two things the same.
[00:23:13]  It's from a scene in the office.
[00:23:15]  But anyway, so it's a picture of Trump and it's a picture of Biden.
[00:23:19]  And then it's Joe Jorgensen and she's and she's saying it's the same picture.
[00:23:25]  So basically just saying Trump and Biden are the same.
[00:23:29]  And I was just making fun of it.
[00:23:30]  And I was like, yeah, this is really, this is really strong messaging for 2012.
[00:23:36]  That's you know, that's like, yeah, there you go.
[00:23:38]  There, there it is.
[00:23:40]  Um, so I said this is, you know, this is strong messaging for 2012.
[00:23:43]  This is like the type of thing that libertarians used to say, and it kind of would make sense.
[00:23:48]  Like, if Jeb Bush was running against Hillary Clinton, then yeah, we go through that same, you know, that talking point that it's like, oh, there's really no difference between the two major parties.
[00:23:59]  They all, they all are kind of the same.
[00:24:01]  But for anyone, like you, this is like the thing that libertarians really get what they're goofy with, is that it's like you can have your libertarian dogma, and I'm sure I have plenty of mine.
[00:24:15]  I mean, our philosophy is based off a priori, irrefutable logical deductions, but you also have to like adapt to the reality around you.

=== Libertarian Dogma vs Economic Reality (02:23) ===

[00:24:28]  And to say to anybody, left or right, that Donald Trump, like just imagine saying, Donald Trump is the same as every other politician.
[00:24:39]  It's how ridiculous of a statement is that.
[00:24:41]  This is the first thing you notice about Donald Trump is that he's different than everybody.
[00:24:46]  Now, to the left-wingers, they think he's like uniquely evil.
[00:24:49]  And to the right-wingers, they think he's like this, you know, the first fighter that they've ever had or something like that.
[00:24:56]  But he is not the same.
[00:24:58]  And to say he's the same is ridiculous.
[00:25:00]  So, anyway, I'm not saying that the election doesn't matter or that it doesn't have consequences.
[00:25:06]  What I'm suggesting is that we ponder how much it matters, how much it matters toward the bigger picture of what's going on here.
[00:25:20]  Because that's what I'm all about.
[00:25:21]  The big picture.
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=== A Nation on a Suicide Mission (15:53) ===

[00:26:51]  All right, let's get back into the show.
[00:26:56]  The big picture is really serious.
[00:27:00]  We are in a very serious situation in this country.
[00:27:03]  We are spiraling out of control.
[00:27:05]  This is a nation on a fucking suicide mission.
[00:27:09]  That's where we are right now.
[00:27:10]  And I'll tell you that here are the big problems that our country faces as I see it.
[00:27:20]  Okay.
[00:27:22]  We are on a completely unsustainable course in terms of debt, in terms of military expansion.
[00:27:33]  There are, We've, you know, the biggest, most powerful government allied with the biggest, most powerful corporations just ripping off the American people.
[00:27:46]  We have a prison industrial complex.
[00:27:50]  We have a police state that in effect creates an anarcho-tyrannical situation where criminals, violent criminals are, you know, let's just say not really controlled, yet regular, decent, you know, nonviolent people bear this incredibly heavy burden of the state.
[00:28:18]  So if, you know, just like the obvious examples, but if you want to, you know, if you want to go out and riot and smash a bunch of stores and beat people up and shoot some people in Philly over the last week, nothing's going to happen to you.
[00:28:31]  But try being a store that doesn't enforce a mask mandate.
[00:28:35]  You know, try being a store that has, you know, over 30% capacity when you're only allowed 20 or whatever, you know, the rules of your state are.
[00:28:43]  You will deal with some serious enforcement.
[00:28:48]  And the other major part, the major threat to this country, which is nothing to laugh at, that I do think libertarians have, you know, really had trouble grappling with, but is the cultural degradation, the fact that our culture has completely fallen apart.
[00:29:06]  And this is something that's been building for decades, but it's really gotten out of hand, that there are no unifying values.
[00:29:13]  There's no, you know, and this is what's like all of these things have led to this culture war that we're in right now.
[00:29:18]  There's a full-fledged culture war.
[00:29:21]  And it's not a cold culture war.
[00:29:23]  The war has become hot over this last year.
[00:29:26]  Now, okay, in the greater scheme of things, I mean, we're not at a civil war level yet, but we are closer to a civil war than we've been since we fought a civil war in this country, which was a long time ago.
[00:29:39]  You know, it's been a long time since the 1860s.
[00:29:41]  And this thing is like, I mean, you have, you know, militias squaring off in Portland, basically playing pretend civil war.
[00:29:52]  So all of these problems are very, very serious.
[00:29:56]  You know, decaying culture, propagandize children from kindergarten all the way through, you know, graduate school, if they go that far.
[00:30:08]  This is, you know, a big part of what's led to the cultural degradation and the, you know, culture war and all of this stuff.
[00:30:15]  And of course, also, if not the major driving force right up there is the fact that the government's gotten so big.
[00:30:23]  I mean, this is why the culture war is white hot right now, because we have fucking to determine who gets control of this fucking monstrosity.
[00:30:34]  So either fucking Trump wins and every left winger in America is ruled over by someone they don't want to be ruled over by, or, you know, Biden wins and vice versa.
[00:30:45]  The right-wingers are.
[00:30:46]  So either way, like 49% of the voting population is furious at the end of this.
[00:30:53]  And so I would just ask when it comes to all of those things that are really big deals that are really destroying this country.
[00:31:02]  And they're currently destroying it, but it is a guarantee they will destroy this country if they're not rectified.
[00:31:10]  So when it comes to all of those things, how much of a difference does this election make?
[00:31:19]  You know, just throwing out there.
[00:31:22]  Does the debt get under control?
[00:31:24]  Do the wars end?
[00:31:26]  I mean, if Trump didn't end him in four years, and don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there's no difference between the two.
[00:31:32]  I would grant that you are more likely to get a new war if Biden and all of the hawks come in.
[00:31:39]  So that's important.
[00:31:42]  But how much are we really going to get out of Donald Trump?
[00:31:47]  My point is, you know, are any of these problems actually going to be solved?
[00:31:55]  You know, and the answer is probably not, probably not through either of these guys.
[00:32:01]  And that's a real, you know, thing that people in this country have to grapple with.
[00:32:08]  And if there's ever, you know, like people basically, at a certain point, we're going to have to decide: do we want to take this current place we're in that is a culture war and take it to a civil war?
[00:32:25]  And the answer to that is no for the vast majority of people.
[00:32:29]  You do not want to see that shit.
[00:32:31]  You do not want to see a civil war.
[00:32:33]  You know, there were, is it six, 700,000 people died in the last American Civil War, and it would be a lot bloodier in this one because we got much better weapons and we got, you know, a lot more people.
[00:32:48]  So you don't want to see that.
[00:32:50]  And if you grant that you don't want to see that, what can we do to try to pull back, to try to pull back from that?
[00:32:59]  And of course, to me, I think the answer has got to be some type of libertarian solution, some type of solution where it's like, hey, whether it's secession or just some type of decentralization, some type of like, you know, peaceful coexistence between the different cultures in this country, because they're not going to be unified.
[00:33:22]  And you're not going to just impose your will on the other half.
[00:33:25]  And that's true.
[00:33:26]  But the right winger's got to realize that too.
[00:33:28]  You know, that's the big problem that the left wing couldn't figure out.
[00:33:31]  It's like when they had Obama in there, they were like, oh, great.
[00:33:34]  Now we can impose our culture on the other half of the country.
[00:33:38]  And it's like, yep, well, now you got Trump.
[00:33:40]  That's what happens when you try to do that.
[00:33:42]  It's very hard to rob people forcefully of their identity.
[00:33:46]  There's still fucking opinion polls in Russia that have Stalin being pretty popular.
[00:33:53]  There's still people have nostalgia for the old Soviet days.
[00:33:57]  And this is like, you know, the days where people were starving to death and getting thrown in gulags.
[00:34:01]  It's like, yeah, well, but, you know, I knew my food was coming or I knew my check was coming or whatever.
[00:34:07]  You know, I didn't have to think about what career I wanted.
[00:34:09]  And, you know, remember, we were kind of glorious and all that.
[00:34:12]  You know, people don't, these ideas, these identities, these political tribes, they don't die easily.
[00:34:18]  And the right wing also has to realize that about the left.
[00:34:23]  This whole thing that so many of us, myself included, hate, you know, whatever, the social justice, you know, types.
[00:34:31]  This isn't going away.
[00:34:33]  You know, this is something we're going to have to figure out how to box over here and let them be and make sure they can't come into our space, but But we're going to have to find some type of solution, you know?
[00:34:48]  And you can think that, you know, well, okay, we need a violent solution, you know, whatever.
[00:34:54]  Let's go helicopter style or something like that.
[00:34:56]  But the truth is, we don't have the numbers.
[00:34:59]  There's too many of them.
[00:35:00]  It's just not going to, it's not going to happen.
[00:35:03]  And it's not right.
[00:35:03]  You know, a lot of them are fucking, you know, mentally ill 20-year-olds and they'll probably grow out of this shit, or hopefully.
[00:35:10]  But to me, that's kind of just what I've been thinking about, you know, recently, just the fact that no matter what happens after this election, we are going to come out of it with all of these fundamental problems that we have right now that are really important, major nation-destroying problems.
[00:35:33]  And either way, we're going to come out of it in the middle of this fucking culture war.
[00:35:37]  Neither side is going to be, you know, brought back into the tent.
[00:35:43]  It's just, it's just not going to happen.
[00:35:45]  And I was, you know, I'm noticing because it's like I've completely given up the idea.
[00:35:53]  Like if Donald Trump, if you, if you listen to the show, if you go back to around 2016 when Donald Trump won, I had somewhat, you know, like more optimism than I have now that Donald Trump winning would have to rattle up the whole system.
[00:36:08]  And I actually said that I thought it was a big, there was a chance that the left might come around.
[00:36:13]  Like, cause I'm old enough to remember the left under George W. Bush.
[00:36:18]  Like I remember it well.
[00:36:20]  You know, I was, you know, young, but I was like in my 20s under George W. Bush.
[00:36:25]  It's not like I was like a little kid.
[00:36:26]  Like I remember very well being in my 20s.
[00:36:29]  I'm not, I'm not that old.
[00:36:32]  And the left was, you know, protesting the wars and protesting the Patriot Act and all this other type of shit that like today, I think the right wing would be right there with them on.
[00:36:42]  So in some degree, right-wingers, at least if you're a right-winger who's red-pilled enough to know that all these wars are bullshit and to know that the Patriot Act and government spying is what basically destroyed Trump's first four years, then you do have to kind of admit that the left wingers who were protesting that, they weren't wrong about those issues.
[00:37:05]  And then Obama just completely neutered and neutralized that movement.
[00:37:11]  It was something about the first black president and him being so charming, they just couldn't bring themselves to be against him.
[00:37:20]  And so when Trump got elected, I thought there was a chance.
[00:37:22]  I go, well, maybe they'll rediscover some of these things.
[00:37:24]  Maybe the left now, with all the executive power that Barack Obama, you know, increased, maybe the left would be like, well, it's Trump.
[00:37:34]  Yeah, we got to rethink the idea of executive power.
[00:37:36]  And wait, we're still fighting all these wars.
[00:37:37]  Wait, we're the anti-war group.
[00:37:39]  You know, I thought there was a chance.
[00:37:42]  I thought maybe the media would be like, fuck, we got to shake things up or we're going to be irrelevant forever.
[00:37:47]  I thought maybe they'd be like, shit, we're going to have to cover some of the issues that Trump was talking about.
[00:37:51]  We'll have to be a little bit more fair.
[00:37:53]  Maybe we can't just call half the country racist.
[00:37:57]  I was wrong about all of that.
[00:37:59]  Now, I didn't say this is going to happen.
[00:38:01]  I just thought maybe there's a chance.
[00:38:03]  None of that happened.
[00:38:04]  I was very disappointed.
[00:38:06]  And I'd never expected much out of the corporate press, but I did expect more out of some principled leftists.
[00:38:11]  And there are exceptions to this, but in general, they just went nuts.
[00:38:15]  They all fucking went nuts.
[00:38:16]  It's like instead of the obvious move, which would be to drop the identitarian social justice bullshit and focus on some substative issues that you care about, they dropped all the substative issues and just went all in on the woke garbage to levels that even five, six years ago would have seen unbelievable.
[00:38:36]  I mean, the level of wokeism that's out there today.
[00:38:40]  So anyway, kind of on that thought, it just reminded me of this clip that we played a few last year, I guess.
[00:38:52]  I actually want to do that clip first, Brian, the CNN mocking Trump voters.
[00:38:58]  I don't know if you guys remember, but I was just thinking about this clip the other day because I saw it in a Trump ad, which was, I called at the time.
[00:39:05]  This will be in Trump ads.
[00:39:06]  They just cut an ad for Trump.
[00:39:07]  So, of course, yeah, it is.
[00:39:08]  But let's just play that clip from last year from CNN.
[00:39:15]  Math, if you had the letter U and a picture of an actual physical crane next to it, he knows that this is an administration defined by ignorance of the world.
[00:39:25]  And so that's partly him playing to their base and playing to their audience.
[00:39:31]  The credulous boomer rube demo that backs Donald Trump that wants to think that Donald Trump's a smart one and they're all elitist for them.
[00:39:42]  You elitist with your geography and your maps and your spelling, even though Mike.
[00:39:48]  Yeah, you're reading, you know, your geography, knowing other countries, sipping your latte, all those lines on the map.
[00:39:59]  Only the Melitas know where Ukraine is.
[00:40:04]  Sorry, I apologize.
[00:40:07]  Oh, my God.
[00:40:08]  But you know what?
[00:40:09]  But it was Rick's fault.
[00:40:11]  I blame Rick.
[00:40:14]  But in all honesty, why not?
[00:40:17]  Sorry, hold on.
[00:40:18]  Can I tell you?
[00:40:19]  Hold on, hold on, hold on.
[00:40:22]  That was good.
[00:40:23]  Sorry.
[00:40:25]  Yeah.
[00:40:26]  I mean, it really wasn't even that good, just purely from a comedic standpoint.
[00:40:30]  But just imagine, you know, that level of contempt that the press has for the Trump voters.
[00:40:36]  So the thought that Donald Trump winning would have made them go, ah, shit.
[00:40:41]  I mean, maybe we got to cover some issues that these people care about.
[00:40:43]  Well, they can't because that is how they view Donald Trump supporters.
[00:40:49]  And that was more evident when Don Lemon said this just yesterday.
[00:40:56]  So let's play that other clip.
[00:41:01]  Right now at his own damn rally.
[00:41:03]  You know what the sad thing is?
[00:41:04]  And I'll be honest with you.
[00:41:08]  I had many people who I love in my life.
[00:41:10]  And I come from a red state.
[00:41:11]  I've lived in several red states.
[00:41:14]  There are a lot of friends who I had to really get rid of because they are so nonsensical when it comes to this issue.
[00:41:20]  They have the whole, every single talking point that they hear on state TV and that they hear from this president.
[00:41:26]  They repeat it and they are blinded by it.
[00:41:29]  And I just can, when I said to you the other night, there's no way they can't believe it.
[00:41:32]  You know, I was just goosing you in a way, right?
[00:41:34]  You know, where they say I was, you know, I was breaking your, you know, it's not like that'll be all over the world.
[00:41:41]  Continue.
[00:41:41]  So but here's the thing.
[00:41:44]  I had to get rid of them because they are too far gone.
[00:41:47]  I try and I try and I try.
[00:41:49]  They'll say something really stupid and then I'll show them the science and I'll give them the information and they still repeat those talking points.
[00:41:56]  And all the while, the state was a hotspot.
[00:42:00]  Many, if you look at the information that we put up last night that came up yesterday, showed you how the red states have now taken over where the blue states, where people came in because there are bigger cities and there's more transmission, obviously, where there are where people are closer together.
[00:42:14]  And so now the red states are the problem.
[00:42:17]  And I just, I had to get rid of a lot of people in my life because sometimes you just have to let them go.
[00:42:21]  I think that they have to hit rock bottom like an addict, right?
[00:42:25]  And they have to want to get help.
[00:42:26]  They have to want to know the truth.
[00:42:28]  They have to want to live in reality.
[00:42:29]  They have to want to be responsible, not only for other people's lives, but for their lives.
[00:42:33]  So you know what?
[00:42:34]  I have had, it's so sad.
[00:42:36]  And I don't know if after this, I will ever be able to go back and be friends with those people because at a certain point, you just say they're too far gone and I got to let them go.

=== Hitting Rock Bottom to Find Truth (02:07) ===

[00:42:45]  And if they're willing to come back and if they're willing to live in reality, then I will welcome them with open arms.
[00:42:53]  But I can't do it.
[00:42:54]  I can't do it anymore.
[00:42:55]  And look, also perspective.
[00:42:58]  So there's, I mean, look, they really, you got to at least admit they're showing you their cards.
[00:43:04]  I mean, this is how they feel.
[00:43:07]  I mean, so in the last clip, it's their boomer con rubes, or what was it, boomer rube demo or whatever he said.
[00:43:14]  And they're doing this voice of them, you with your big fancy book, learning and your reading and geography and all this shit.
[00:43:20]  And now in this, they're just drug addicts.
[00:43:21]  They're just, you know, it's like these fucking, these people who you had to cut off out from your life so they can hit rock bottom.
[00:43:28]  Also, let you know what Don Lemon thinks of himself, that he's going to, his presence is what's keeping you going and that, you know, cutting him off now you hit rock bottom.
[00:43:37]  I think you're probably better off without Don Lemon in your life.
[00:43:40]  But this is how they view the other side.
[00:43:45]  And given that this, that Trump winning in 2016 did nothing to even get them, even if they feel this way, you'd think on some level they'd go, I should tone this down.
[00:43:55]  Like I shouldn't say this publicly on camera.
[00:43:59]  I shouldn't tell 63 million people that I think of them as drug addicts, essentially, that don't live in reality.
[00:44:05]  And of course, Don Lemon represents reality and everything that is good and noble in the world.
[00:44:10]  But so one thing's for damn sure, if Trump winning again isn't going to, isn't going to do it.
[00:44:16]  So this is going to be our country, whether Trump wins or whether Trump loses.
[00:44:21]  This is going to be how this group views half the country.
[00:44:27]  And that's going to be here with us.
[00:44:32]  There's going to be a continuation of the culture war, of cancel culture, of all of this shit.
[00:44:42]  And we got to really be smart and kind of strategize, find a way to see how we can't isolate and cool this shit off.

=== Culture Wars Without an Exit Strategy (02:29) ===

[00:44:53]  Because I'm telling you, a hot war is not what you want.
[00:44:57]  It's just not what you want.
[00:44:58]  And right-wingers might feel, you know, confident because, you know, they have a lot more guns on their side.
[00:45:04]  And there is truth to that.
[00:45:06]  But, you know, the other side has fucking the entire corporate press.
[00:45:12]  They have the social media companies.
[00:45:14]  And they also have like the deep state and most of the government.
[00:45:17]  And there's a lot of guns involved with those people as well.
[00:45:20]  And if anything, this year has shown you the cops will not protect you if the fucking, you know, if the establishment decides they don't want them to.
[00:45:28]  So that's something to chew on for a little bit.
[00:45:33]  All right, guys, let's take a quick second.
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[00:47:09]  I also wanted to play this one other clip that someone sent to me of Sarah Silverman, a comedian, Sarah Silverman, talking about cancel culture because I was just thinking about the culture wars and cancel culture and this stuff.

=== When Love Groups Become Hate (08:50) ===

[00:47:22]  And someone sent me this clip.
[00:47:24]  And, you know, it was like one of these things that was kind of being celebrated as like, oh, yeah, it's really, it's really great that Sarah Silverman kind of came out against cancel culture like this.
[00:47:34]  But I had a very different reaction to it.
[00:47:36]  So I want to play this clip and then just discuss it briefly.
[00:47:39]  And then we'll wrap up after that.
[00:47:43]  Which is the far right.
[00:47:46]  Everyone goes to where the love is.
[00:47:48]  Christian Picolini, my friend, who was a neo-Nazi for years since he was from 14 to, you know, into his 20s, late 20s, maybe, was the head of a neo-Nazi, whatever KKK chapter where he lived and was changed by a black man's gestures of love, which was he ran a white power.
[00:48:16]  He owned a white power record store, Christian did.
[00:48:22]  And I had a lot of white power music, a genre I wasn't aware of until I met Christian Picciolini.
[00:48:29]  And this guy would come in every day with a kind smile and buy out all the white power records.
[00:48:38]  Not a word, just put his money down.
[00:48:41]  I'm not saying, hey, you should do this, everyone, but this is what this man did.
[00:48:47]  And without any words, changed him, opened him up, made him wonder, made him think, and fundamentally changed him to the point where he has spent the last 30 years getting people out of hate groups.
[00:49:04]  That's what he does.
[00:49:08]  But he went towards love.
[00:49:09]  He was 14, he was smoking a joint, and an older kid took the joint out of his hand and threw it out and said, You don't need that stuff, man.
[00:49:17]  And gave him a place where he was accepted and cared for and loved.
[00:49:21]  And that was a hate group, a neo-Nazi group where he found family and camaraderie and a place to be when both of his parents worked all day.
[00:49:35]  Going towards love can be a hate group.
[00:49:37]  It could be the drama club.
[00:49:39]  But that's all that it is at its root.
[00:49:42]  It's just going towards where the love is.
[00:49:44]  And you find, you're going to find yourself doing a little lot all through your life and maybe wonder about it.
[00:49:51]  I always think like in this cancel culture, and we all know what I'm talking about, whether you think there is one or there isn't one, or where you stand on it.
[00:50:03]  And there's a lot of gray matter there.
[00:50:06]  But without a path to redemption, when you take someone, you found a tweet they wrote seven years ago or a thing that they said and you expose it and you say, this person should be no more, banish them forever.
[00:50:21]  They're going to find someplace where they are accepted.
[00:50:25]  And it's not going to be with progressives, which ironically means to be changed, progress.
[00:50:31]  If we don't give these people a path to redemption, then they're going to go where they are accepted, which is the motherfucking dark side.
[00:50:41]  I think there should be some kind of path.
[00:50:44]  Do we want people to be changed or do we want them to stay the same, to freeze in a moment we found on the internet from 12 years ago?
[00:50:54]  And so we can point to ourselves as right and them as wrong.
[00:50:58]  It's righteousness porn.
[00:51:01]  We should want people to be changed.
[00:51:03]  Now, if I met Christian Picciolini while he was a neo-Nazi, would I give him a gesture of love?
[00:51:12]  Would I want to give him a gesture of care?
[00:51:16]  I hope so.
[00:51:18]  But I understand if I wouldn't have, I don't know.
[00:51:23]  But I think it's an interesting lesson.
[00:51:25]  I'm not saying, I'm not preaching that this is how everyone should be.
[00:51:29]  All right, let's pause it there.
[00:51:30]  That's more or less the clip I wanted to play.
[00:51:32]  So this was going viral on the internet.
[00:51:36]  And it was taken as like by people who are against cancel culture as like, oh, what a really awesome thing, Sarah Silverman said.
[00:51:43]  I saw as like some right-wingers who were really complimenting her for it and stuff.
[00:51:48]  And I just had a different take on it.
[00:51:51]  It actually bothered me what she was saying.
[00:51:54]  And I will grant that it's kind of like a nicer version of what Don Lemon was saying, but it's basically the same thing.
[00:52:03]  She's saying, oh, you're on the dark side.
[00:52:06]  You're a neo-Nazi.
[00:52:07]  And instead of, you know, being mean to you, maybe we should try to find a nicer way.
[00:52:12]  Instead of canceling you, we should find a nicer way to give you a path to redemption.
[00:52:17]  And what is redemption?
[00:52:18]  Conforming to progressivism.
[00:52:21]  Come be a progressive.
[00:52:22]  That's the answer.
[00:52:24]  Now, here's the fucking problem with this, Sarah Silverman.
[00:52:27]  And this is like what's so fucking insane.
[00:52:30]  It's not Nazis.
[00:52:32]  Like, dude, if Nazis or whatever she was saying, if Klansmen and neo-Nazis were the people being canceled and that was it, you would never have heard a peep about cancel culture.
[00:52:45]  Trust me, there's, first off, there's not enough of them.
[00:52:48]  The supply does not meet the demand.
[00:52:50]  There's not enough actual fucking KKK members in America today.
[00:52:55]  I don't know what there is.
[00:52:56]  There's probably like in the entire country, like 900 of them and 800 of them are feds.
[00:53:02]  Okay.
[00:53:02]  There's not enough KKK members and neo-Nazis.
[00:53:07]  There's like none.
[00:53:08]  It's a very small amount.
[00:53:11]  And if just they were canceled, let me tell you, there's not enough of them and there's not enough people who give a shit about them to complain about it.
[00:53:19]  No one would really be saying anything.
[00:53:21]  I mean, like maybe a few times on principle, you know, some people like me would be like, well, they have just as much right to free speech as anyone else.
[00:53:28]  But really, you wouldn't have heard a thing about cancel culture.
[00:53:31]  This is a very convenient tactic to invoke a kid who was in a neo-Nazi group and then say, oh, see, look, I mean, we even like, you know, I don't know if we should cancel the Nazis.
[00:53:44]  Maybe we should just find a way to make them progressives.
[00:53:47]  It's like the problem is that this term Nazi gets, you know, labeled to everyone.
[00:53:52]  Dork just wrote an article about me.
[00:53:53]  I'm a Nazi.
[00:53:54]  I don't actually know what he said.
[00:53:55]  I didn't read it, but it was Nazi was in the headline.
[00:53:57]  Like, I'm a Nazi.
[00:53:59]  You know, I mean, I guess, you know, I always thought the fact that I was like, you know, an anarchist who, you know, preaches the non-aggression principle, who's Jewish, would, you know, maybe kind of make it hard for people to label me that.
[00:54:14]  But no, it's really not.
[00:54:15]  For the dim-witted people, it's really not.
[00:54:17]  No, whatever.
[00:54:19]  You're a Nazi too.
[00:54:20]  So this is, this is the issue.
[00:54:21]  So Alex Jones, he's a conspiracy theorist.
[00:54:25]  He's not a fucking Nazi.
[00:54:27]  Point to any of these people who are like high-profile people who have been canceled or have been kicked off social media, have had their lives ruined.
[00:54:36]  Call them KKK or neo-Nazis are ridiculous.
[00:54:39]  And here's the thing that progressives like Sarah Silverman need to fucking wrap their head around, right?
[00:54:44]  Wrap the head around, your head around the possibility that you might be the dark side.
[00:54:51]  How about that?
[00:54:52]  How about maybe no one needs to progress to your side, that you need to fucking progress?
[00:54:57]  Maybe you don't know as much as you think you do.
[00:54:59]  And this is the crazy thing when you see Don Lemon and Sarah Silverman talking about how the other side are fucking, you know, whatever.
[00:55:07]  The other side are drug addicts or they're rubes or they're fucking neo-Nazis or whatever.
[00:55:14]  And like, I don't care how nice you are about the message.
[00:55:17]  Fuck you.
[00:55:18]  Fuck you.
[00:55:20]  You fucking millionaires.
[00:55:21]  Of course you don't like anyone who's a threat to the establishment.
[00:55:24]  The establishment has made you fucking filthy rich and successful and famous.
[00:55:29]  You lecture everybody else about how they're on the dark side.
[00:55:33]  Like, yeah, actually, the definition of progressivism is a little bit more than just progressing.
[00:55:39]  Nobody's actually against progression.
[00:55:41]  So maybe you need to know a little bit more about what you're even saying before you convince everybody else that they need to come over to your side.
[00:55:49]  Just a thought.
[00:55:50]  I've enjoyed a lot of Sarah Silverman's comedy throughout the year, but that clip bothered me.
[00:55:54]  I didn't find it nice.
[00:55:57]  So anyway, in closing, we're going to get a presidential election on Tuesday, but all the major problems we have are not going anywhere.
[00:56:08]  And that's the show for today.
[00:56:09]  Thank you very much.
[00:56:10]  Catch you next time.
[00:56:11]  Peace.