Part Of The Problem - Dave Smith - The Final Debate Recap
Aired: 2020-10-24
Duration: 01:08:31


=== Trumpian Debate Tactics (13:33) ===

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[00:00:29]  Here's your host, Dave Smith.
[00:00:32]  What is up, everybody?
[00:00:35]  Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem.
[00:00:38]  I'm Dave Smith.
[00:00:39]  He is Robbie the Fire Bernstein.
[00:00:41]  And this is the debate recap of the final debate between President Donald Trump and former Vice President Joe Biden, the last presidential debate, probably the last presidential debate either of these two will be involved in.
[00:01:01]  Of course, Donald Trump win-lose or draw.
[00:01:03]  This is his last debate.
[00:01:05]  Joe Biden, let's get real.
[00:01:09]  I just don't see Joe Biden being around in four years to do another one of these debates, even if he wins.
[00:01:15]  So I'm excited to talk about this.
[00:01:17]  Me and Rob haven't spoke about the debate yet at all.
[00:01:19]  So we'll both get each other's reactions in real time.
[00:01:25]  So as I like to do with these things, let me just jump in and start off, give you my takeaway from the thing, and then I'll be interested to see what Rob thought.
[00:01:32]  Okay, number one, it sucked.
[00:01:36]  It was not nearly as entertaining as that first debate.
[00:01:39]  Shut up, all you boomer cons out there who are like, well, it was good because Trump was more respectful this time.
[00:01:45]  And this is really Trump at his best.
[00:01:47]  No, it's not.
[00:01:48]  No, it's not.
[00:01:49]  Trump at his best is Trump at that first debate.
[00:01:52]  So I thought, you know, just wasn't as entertaining as the first one.
[00:01:58]  I thought that Donald Trump had an okay performance.
[00:02:04]  I'd give his grade like a C plus maybe.
[00:02:07]  Huge opportunities missed.
[00:02:10]  Opportunities to land knockout blows that he just didn't take.
[00:02:14]  I think that Donald Trump, he just doesn't prepare for these things.
[00:02:18]  And that for better or worse, that was evident in the debate.
[00:02:23]  He just did, you know, like as somebody, I can kind of relate to this because I don't really over prepare.
[00:02:30]  I don't do much preparation for part of the problem.
[00:02:33]  I mean, I stay up on stuff and I kind of have a loose idea of what I want to talk about, but I like to kind of wing it.
[00:02:39]  And there's a bad thing.
[00:02:41]  He does hour preps and that's why you need to support the program, become a subscribing listener and pay for all of our products so you can continue to do all the hard work he does and put on this excellent show.
[00:02:49]  By the way, there's a, there's like, as I'm saying this, I'm reading off a teleprompter.
[00:02:54]  I don't prepare that much.
[00:02:56]  I really don't.
[00:02:56]  It's all just word for word.
[00:02:58]  No, but like, look, when I did the debate at the Soho Forum, I think I'm one of the few people who's done that.
[00:03:03]  I don't bring notes.
[00:03:04]  I don't take notes.
[00:03:05]  I just kind of go up and do it.
[00:03:07]  And I like to do that.
[00:03:08]  But there's definitely, you know, there's negatives to that approach as well.
[00:03:12]  And there were points in this debate where Trump clearly should have at least worked out a couple lines or at least worked out what he was going to say.
[00:03:21]  I thought huge opportunities that were missed.
[00:03:24]  But no question, Trump won.
[00:03:26]  I mean, just no question.
[00:03:27]  Biden had a terrible debate performance.
[00:03:30]  The only thing you could say about Joe Biden is that he didn't collapse.
[00:03:35]  He didn't blow the whole election in that debate, but he had a terrible, terrible performance with lots of really awful moments.
[00:03:44]  I mean, moments that were just horrible.
[00:03:48]  I mean, it must have been to be in Joe Biden's campaign.
[00:03:51]  If you were watching that debate, you must have been having a heart attack through some of those moments.
[00:03:55]  We'll get into the moments that were terrible.
[00:03:58]  Well, also, I thought Trump had some really poor moments in the debate as well, but overall, he definitely won.
[00:04:06]  Okay, what were your bigger picture takeaways from it?
[00:04:09]  No, no, I think you summed it up pretty perfectly that it just was annoying watching Trump and seeing all the moments he had for a knockout blow that he just didn't execute on.
[00:04:19]  The biggest ones that come to mind is once again on the opening or closing the economy.
[00:04:24]  He just needs to use the word personal choice.
[00:04:26]  It's not for the government to force you to stay home and not work.
[00:04:29]  Everyone needs to make it a, it's enough.
[00:04:30]  It's enough of us imposing our will on people.
[00:04:33]  If you want to go to work, this is America.
[00:04:35]  You have the freedom to do so.
[00:04:37]  He doesn't, he's not using that language.
[00:04:38]  And that's that's a real missed opportunity.
[00:04:41]  And all he needs to say, and I want to get to your next point, all he needed to say at some point was, guys, it's a free country.
[00:04:48]  I mean, like, just the old, like, you don't have to be like an anarcho-capitalist libertarian.
[00:04:52]  I'm just saying, like, just the kind of common vernacular.
[00:04:56]  It's a, well, how come your people don't wear masks or how come this and that?
[00:05:00]  I don't know.
[00:05:00]  It's a free country.
[00:05:01]  People can decide what they want to do.
[00:05:02]  I, I, like, I don't know.
[00:05:04]  I'm not their emperor god.
[00:05:05]  I'm the, I'm the president.
[00:05:06]  I preside over the, you know, the executive branch.
[00:05:10]  I like it's a free country.
[00:05:12]  People can wear masks.
[00:05:13]  They cannot wear masks.
[00:05:14]  People can go to work if they want to.
[00:05:15]  That would be a slam dunk.
[00:05:18]  Yeah.
[00:05:19]  And then also on healthcare, it's not enough to just go, hey, a public option is socialized medicine.
[00:05:24]  You got to explain what exactly Biden is talking about, the cost of what he's talking about, how it's not going to provide care.
[00:05:31]  And then just my biggest takeaway of everything that's going on in the political climate right now and just makes me so annoyed is that they're shaming Mitch McConnell because he might not approve a $1.9 trillion stimulus plan.
[00:05:43]  That stimulus in government, just printing money is a given.
[00:05:47]  There's absolutely no conversation about the debt whatsoever.
[00:05:50]  So that's a failure on the moderators and us as a country.
[00:05:54]  In terms of Trump's failures at the debate, he just, there are a lot of moments for him to go for the juggler, even on the China, the Biden-China stuff.
[00:06:02]  You know, if you really believe this stuff to be true, which I believe Trump does, and he would have more of the information than we do, why are you not going for the juggler on that?
[00:06:11]  Of, hey, you're you've been talking about Russia collusion.
[00:06:14]  You're, you've already been bribed by China.
[00:06:16]  Your entire career is being bribed by China.
[00:06:18]  Now, I'm not saying I've seen the evidence that I believe that, but I'm just saying Trump, you know, there were just a lot of moments floating there for him to go for the juggler where he was just soft.
[00:06:28]  I couldn't believe how poor a job he did on that whole scandal.
[00:06:33]  I mean, he said a few things, you know, he'd say these things where, like, if you weren't already following the story, you'd probably have no idea what he was talking about.
[00:06:44]  It wouldn't be clear.
[00:06:45]  And the whole point is that the story's been suppressed.
[00:06:48]  So the people who are already aware of the story are already Trump voters.
[00:06:52]  I mean, it's people who are reading the New York Post or listening to Fox News or other like podcast type stuff that they're already either.
[00:07:00]  I mean, they're certainly not Biden supporters.
[00:07:01]  The vast majority of them are Trump supporters.
[00:07:03]  The point is that none of the other media outlets have been covering this.
[00:07:08]  Social media has actually been censoring this.
[00:07:11]  The Boba Lunski guy, only Fox News covered his press conference live.
[00:07:17]  So the whole point is that you've got to find a way to explain this crisply, succinctly to the people who don't know it.
[00:07:24]  And he did a terrible job at that saying stuff like the wife of the mayor of Moscow and all this.
[00:07:30]  This is nothing.
[00:07:31]  You're not getting to it at all.
[00:07:33]  What he needed to do was put Biden right on the spot and ask all he had to do was write something like that.
[00:07:40]  You know, all this talk of collusion, there was no collusion.
[00:07:42]  Like you just said, you colluded with China.
[00:07:44]  Your family was getting enriched by these people.
[00:07:46]  And now we have the proof.
[00:07:47]  And he said at one point, the laptop from hell.
[00:07:50]  And then, of course, the, you know, Kristen Welker quickly, you know, starts interrupting him and changes the topic.
[00:07:57]  Which was so transparent.
[00:07:58]  Oh, it was so transparent.
[00:07:59]  We'll get into that in one second.
[00:08:00]  Um, but what he needed to say was just it's this simple: Joe, is that you is that Hunter's laptop or not?
[00:08:08]  Yeah, ask him the question, put him on the spot because it is because it is, and it's pretty overwhelmingly uh conclusive evidence now that it is.
[00:08:16]  And so, he and he just completely flubbed that.
[00:08:19]  Um, by the way, we should just because it just came up, Kristen Welker was terrible.
[00:08:23]  I mean, I see these people who are like saying, Well, she did a pretty fair job, and I thought Trump really let her off the hook by himself saying she did a fair job.
[00:08:31]  She was completely one-sided, just interrupting Trump constantly.
[00:08:35]  He'd have to fight to get a retort in every time, then she would just go to Joe Biden anytime he wanted to speak.
[00:08:41]  He'd just let him speak as much as he wanted to.
[00:08:44]  Um, so I thought she was uh transparently unfair.
[00:08:46]  I thought in the in I'm gonna say in the last quarter, she asked some tougher questions of Joe Biden where I was like, Oh, that's a tough question, okay.
[00:08:54]  But I think I'm gonna guess that it must lose viewers as it goes on.
[00:08:58]  So, the earlier questions were pretty clearly kind of and by the most propaganda.
[00:09:04]  Well, first, let's just say they said beforehand, you weren't allowed to interrupt.
[00:09:08]  She was almost debating Trump better than Biden with the follow-up questions, the way she was interrupting, and then the way she was repeating questions right after like Trump had a good attack on Biden, and as opposed to like setting it up for Biden to have to respond to that.
[00:09:21]  She re-asked her question, which interrupts it.
[00:09:23]  Also, for all the talk about turning off microphones, I heard Biden interrupt Trump at least three or four times.
[00:09:28]  No one's talking about that, no one's upset about it.
[00:09:31]  It doesn't seem like the mics were muted, uh, so that was one-sided.
[00:09:34]  But I do think some of the questions to me, I mean, that's where the real propaganda is: of what are the questions you want to ask.
[00:09:42]  And the worst one was the question they asked about Iran-Russia election interference.
[00:09:49]  Uh, and so a day earlier, an FBI report came out about some sort of a Russia-Iran election interference.
[00:09:56]  Part of it is that apparently they have voter information, but a lot of that voter information is just public anyway.
[00:10:00]  So, that was meaningless.
[00:10:02]  And then the Iran thing was cartoonish, they were sending letters.
[00:10:06]  I mean, it was almost like a laughably bad eight-year-old prank where you're like, What kind of how dumb are they in Iran?
[00:10:13]  But apparently, they were sending letters to voters from the Proud Boys that they were going to be like physically harmed, like signed your friends, the Proud Boys.
[00:10:22]  Like, anyone doesn't laugh that off, or that that isn't very clearly some sort of a intelligence community play to continue to get the Proud Boys in the news like they're the real threat in our country.
[00:10:32]  Like, if that wasn't a, I hate to correct you in real time, Rob, but it's the poor boys, the poor boys, they're known as the poor boys.
[00:10:41]  That's what Joe Biden said in the debate.
[00:10:43]  Oh, but just makes them sound like a sympathetic group.
[00:10:47]  Like, poor boys, they want to come down.
[00:10:50]  Come on, they're poor.
[00:10:52]  I mean, help them out a little bit, Joe Biden.
[00:10:54]  Don't you have a plan for these poor boys?
[00:10:56]  Maybe if they were middle-class boys, they wouldn't be so racist.
[00:11:00]  I ever think of that.
[00:11:01]  Um, so listen, I agree with you.
[00:11:04]  I thought it was a ridiculous thing to be talking about, especially given this crazy year and how many real things there are to talk about.
[00:11:11]  Um, look, I'll say this: Biden, as I mentioned earlier, had a disastrous performance.
[00:11:19]  I mean, Biden just holy that he looks old and slow and weak.
[00:11:26]  And as the debate went on, he got weaker and weaker.
[00:11:29]  There was a lot that, like, look, a lot of us talked about this after the first debate, but there is there's no question that Donald Trump would be strategically wise for him to let Joe Biden speak at some points.
[00:11:45]  And because of the way they set this debate up, Donald Trump was like, I'm not going to interrupt at all.
[00:11:49]  And that's kind of a Trumpian thing.
[00:11:51]  Like, even if they hadn't set it up with muting the mics, like Donald Trump always, you know, he plays both sides of every issue.
[00:11:58]  Like, that's always been how Trump is.
[00:12:00]  He's like, we're going to end these wars.
[00:12:01]  We can't fight stupid wars anymore, but we will take out ISIS.
[00:12:04]  We will bomb the crap out of them.
[00:12:06]  And then he kind of has given everyone something to hear.
[00:12:09]  You know what I mean?
[00:12:10]  Like, the anti-war people are like, oh, yeah, look, he's, he's talking about ending these wars.
[00:12:14]  And the pro-war people are like, yeah, he's the tough guy.
[00:12:16]  Like, he finds this weird way to play.
[00:12:19]  And so, with this, he goes, it's like, um, he has the one debate where he's really aggressive and in his face.
[00:12:24]  And then he has the debate where he's like more respectful.
[00:12:26]  And this, so he kind of does this thing.
[00:12:28]  Um, but it allowed Biden had to talk more in this debate.
[00:12:32]  And by the end of it, I mean, he was stumbling all over the place.
[00:12:36]  He had major, major gaffes, like things that were just, oh, awful.
[00:12:41]  I had poor boys was one of them.
[00:12:43]  That one was bad.
[00:12:44]  It kind of felt like it was like watching a dude who starts slipping on the ice and like it looks like he's going to fall over, but he just never, he just manages to like wobble and keep his balance.
[00:12:53]  Well, he didn't face plant, I suppose.
[00:12:56]  Although there were some, some that were really close.
[00:12:58]  He had these things like, oh, when Joe Biden, the worst is when he tries to be clever because he's really not clever.
[00:13:05]  And this has always been true about Joe Biden, even before he started slipping mentally.
[00:13:10]  He was always thought he was smarter than he is.
[00:13:14]  He's not a very bright guy, and he thinks he's a bright guy.
[00:13:18]  So he would, but he'd have these things like when Trump was talking about North Korea.
[00:13:22]  If you remember the line where he goes, and Trump was like, we have a very friendly relationship now.
[00:13:27]  He goes, oh, yeah, we have a very friendly relationship with Hitler before he invaded Europe.
[00:13:31]  This is other parts of Europe.

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[00:13:34]  And it was like, what?
[00:13:35]  This is weird.
[00:13:35]  The part when he called him Abraham Lincoln just really flopped.
[00:13:39]  And he goes, Abraham Lincoln's racist over here.
[00:13:42]  It just was not well delivered.
[00:13:45]  That was very bad.
[00:13:47]  His, the, the real disastrous moment was when Donald Trump was hitting him with Trump's, you know, classic and very effective line of you've been here for 47 years.
[00:13:59]  You have all these ideas.
[00:14:00]  Why didn't you do it then?
[00:14:02]  Or 37 years, whatever it is.
[00:14:04]  And it goes, you were in the White House for eight years.
[00:14:06]  Why didn't you get any of it done then?
[00:14:08]  And Biden just sadly pauses.
[00:14:11]  It was awkward.
[00:14:12]  And then goes, We had a Republican Congress.
[00:14:15]  This was a really, first of all, if you're Joe Biden's team, you can't accept the premise of that attack.
[00:14:25]  It can't be, how come you've done nothing for 40 years?
[00:14:30]  And he goes, well, here's why.
[00:14:31]  There can't be a here's why.
[00:14:33]  You have to say, I did do stuff, right?
[00:14:36]  Like, so he goes, and then, oh, this is why.
[00:14:38]  Because first of all, Obama, it's not even true.
[00:14:40]  Obama had a completely Democratic Congress for the first two years of their administration.
[00:14:46]  And even so, it's not a defense to say, oh, there were Republicans.
[00:14:50]  I mean, Donald Trump has Democrats in there.
[00:14:53]  Like, whatever.
[00:14:53]  It's that was horrible.
[00:14:56]  Really, really bad moment.
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=== Keeping Obamacare Alive (09:53) ===

[00:16:49]  One of Trump's best moments of the debates and Joe Biden's worst moment of the debates was when Donald Trump, excuse me, when Joe Biden did that pre-rehearsed thing where he goes, this is how you deflect off them talking about your family.
[00:17:03]  And he goes, it's not about your family.
[00:17:05]  It's not about my family.
[00:17:06]  And looks right in the camera and goes, it's about your family.
[00:17:08]  It's about your family sitting around the kitchen table.
[00:17:11]  And Trump just went, ah, this is that such a politician-y thing to do.
[00:17:14]  I mean, I thought that was, that was maybe Donald Trump's best moment of the entire campaign.
[00:17:21]  That's just, that's Trump at his absolute best.
[00:17:24]  That is the appeal of Donald Trump.
[00:17:26]  That's the appeal of not preparing for these moments.
[00:17:29]  And this is the benefit of not preparing and doing debate prep and all this shit.
[00:17:34]  You get to be the real person.
[00:17:35]  You get to come off authentic.
[00:17:37]  And the Joe Biden thing, he took away all the steam from that and like exposed it for what it was.
[00:17:43]  This corny fucking look you in the eyes right to the camera.
[00:17:47]  I mean, clearly rehearsed and practiced.
[00:17:50]  And so that was a very effective moment for Donald Trump.
[00:17:56]  There were real weak moments for Trump as well.
[00:17:59]  Not just moments where he could have landed a knockout blow and didn't, which there also were.
[00:18:05]  Healthcare is a real weakness for Trump.
[00:18:08]  And this is like, it's pretty shocking that they have not been able to come up with anything better for him to say about healthcare.
[00:18:18]  Healthcare is the number one issue in most polls that people care about.
[00:18:25]  And almost any demographic that you break down by, it's almost always in the top three issues.
[00:18:31]  Maybe not any, maybe if you're talking about like, you know, young men in their 20s or something like that, it's not.
[00:18:36]  But pretty much for every other group, healthcare is one of the most important issues.
[00:18:40]  And he's just got nothing.
[00:18:42]  I mean, like, there's just nothing there.
[00:18:45]  It's a terrible, muddy message of like, you know, Obamacare was terrible.
[00:18:52]  We got rid of the individual mandate.
[00:18:54]  We did a great job with it, but it's terrible.
[00:18:56]  And I hope it gets struck down.
[00:18:58]  And what's your plan to replace it?
[00:19:00]  Well, it's going to be a great plan and it's going to protect pre-existing conditions, but we don't have the plan, but it's a great plan.
[00:19:08]  And we're going to get rid of Obamacare and then our great plan will come out.
[00:19:11]  And it's just like, this is not, this makes no sense.
[00:19:15]  And the truth is that if Obamacare gets struck down, then yeah, we're pre-existing conditions are not protected.
[00:19:23]  And, you know, me and you are, you know, free market guys.
[00:19:26]  We don't give a shit about that.
[00:19:28]  But that's not what he's saying.
[00:19:30]  He's saying he does care and he doesn't have anything ready to go.
[00:19:32]  And the truth is that the Republicans did run on repeal and replace and never had a real plan ready to go.
[00:19:38]  And so it's just the whole thing is, it's a real weakness for him.
[00:19:42]  And that's a very important issue, particularly amongst like seniors, where it's the number one issue by far.
[00:19:49]  And that those are the group of people who show up and vote.
[00:19:52]  It's so interesting how since Obamacare got passed, it's just accepted that there should be socialized medicine.
[00:19:58]  Like the conversation about how licensing laws and the free market can actually get you better healthcare is just gone.
[00:20:04]  Everyone just, it's accepted now that without government intervention, people can't get care and that there isn't.
[00:20:11]  government manipulation that's creating these profits for all these companies and removing your opportunity for good health care.
[00:20:17]  That's just gone.
[00:20:18]  And so now it's like this is how everything works.
[00:20:21]  It's the real tragedy.
[00:20:22]  It's a big part of the reason why the state just continues to grow bigger and bigger and bigger is because everything just once it becomes law, once you give people an entitlement, it's almost impossible to take it away from them.
[00:20:38]  It becomes, it's very, it's kind of like if you, if you know someone who works at a job and they, when they first come in, they start in the mailroom or whatever, you know, they're just that old saying, too many people actually work in mailrooms anymore.
[00:20:51]  But you know what I mean?
[00:20:52]  Like you come in, you're an unpaid intern, you're thrilled to be there, you know, then you get bumped up to like a low salary, then you get bumped up to this or that.
[00:21:00]  Go try to tell someone who's been there for 10 years that they have to go back to being an unpaid intern.
[00:21:06]  It's like impossible.
[00:21:07]  You know, like once you're kind of like expect a certain level of something coming in the mail, it's very hard to go, okay, you're actually going to get less than that.
[00:21:15]  And this has been, and the difference here is that it's actually not helping you.
[00:21:19]  Well, if the perk was free donuts and you're getting really fat and they go, we're going to take away the free donuts.
[00:21:24]  Well, yes, that's that's a good analogy.
[00:21:26]  But look, I mean, and this is why the conservatives always lose is because they always accept what the Democrats pushed on you, you know, 10 years ago or five years ago.
[00:21:35]  They're always so even like the old right guys, like if you go back to the pre-World War II era, like the Robert Taft kind of like old right, they were against the New Deal, but they accepted everything else from the progressive era.
[00:21:49]  Like they weren't against public schools and the income tax and the Federal Reserve.
[00:21:53]  But then when FDR took it to the New Deal, it's like, okay, well, listen, obviously we have to have the income tax and public schools and the Federal Reserve, but we don't need these New Deal policies.
[00:22:02]  And then the post-war kind of, you know, Cold Warrior conservatives, they were like, well, look, we have to accept the New Deal.
[00:22:10]  Like we're never going back and fighting that.
[00:22:12]  But, you know, we'll fight Lyndon Johnson on the Great Society.
[00:22:15]  You know, we'll fight him on that.
[00:22:16]  We'll fight him on Medicare or whatever.
[00:22:18]  And then it's like by the time you get to Reagan, it's like, well, no, of course no one's going to touch Medicare.
[00:22:22]  I mean, that's just, you know, but we'll fight you on whatever the new proposal is.
[00:22:26]  You know, we'll fight, you know, the, you know, Obamacare when it's first coming out.
[00:22:31]  And now you already see the, well, I mean, we're not going to fight the popular aspects of Obamacare.
[00:22:36]  We're not.
[00:22:36]  And it's just always ceding more ground, ceding more ground.
[00:22:39]  And this is how they always win.
[00:22:40]  You know, it's like, and it's true on cultural issues too.
[00:22:43]  Like they're never, the, the Republicans are never going to fight about gay marriage anymore.
[00:22:47]  That's over.
[00:22:48]  This was a fight 10 years ago, but it will never be a fight again.
[00:22:52]  Now they're like, we really got to fight about transgender children or something.
[00:22:55]  But believe me, you know, in fucking 10 years, it'll be like, you know, this is ridiculous that you were forcing people to marry frogs, you know, and then like fucking 10 years from that, it'll be like, well, no, that's just a civil right.
[00:23:08]  Anyway, so this is what's always lost.
[00:23:10]  What Trump should do on healthcare, and I don't even know if this is true.
[00:23:13]  Like, I'm going to say, I don't know if this is true, but if I was Trump, this is how we should answer it.
[00:23:17]  He just goes, since Obamacare is passed, insurance companies are making more profit than ever and the standard of care is down.
[00:23:24]  So when it comes to mainstream America, we need to get the free market back involved.
[00:23:28]  We need to make sure that you can keep your doctor, get the insurance policies that you want.
[00:23:31]  We have to get rid of Obamacare.
[00:23:33]  I understand everyone has concerns about pre-existing conditions.
[00:23:36]  And that's why the government's going to create new insurance pooling, which is going to cover for pre-existing conditions that everyone who doesn't have pre-existing condition can get better care and we can make sure those people are taken care of, which is essentially what I just outlined: the Paul Ryan plan.
[00:23:50]  So the homework's been done on, there's just two sides.
[00:23:53]  This the homework's been done.
[00:23:54]  I don't know if it actually reduced costs, but that was the conservative plan: government was going to set aside money to basically pay the insurance premiums for the pre-existing conditions that insurance companies could actually make a profit off of that.
[00:24:06]  On the other side of that is that in Obamacare, they said that in terms of covering for pre-existing condition, government was supposed to, and they didn't allocate the money for this, but they said that they were going to pay over to the insurance companies basically like the money lost by having to cover for these people.
[00:24:24]  And then the conservatives tried to say, you got to look back on this.
[00:24:27]  I'm pretty sure I have it right, though.
[00:24:29]  They lost a Supreme Court case because they were trying not to make those payments to the insurance companies because they said that even though they promised to do it, they never actually allocated the funding for it, which was true.
[00:24:38]  When Obamacare got passed, they didn't allocate the funding for like some of the measures for it.
[00:24:43]  So, in that regard, like Obamacare is currently not working, and there's certain things that they promised you that they'd pay for, which they haven't even like allocated the funds for.
[00:24:51]  Now, what I just said was pretty complicated, but it's pretty easy to just explain like what Obamacare promised actually isn't funded for and is going to collapse under its own weight.
[00:24:59]  And so, they told you that they're covering for pre-existing conditions, but actually, they haven't budgeted for it.
[00:25:03]  So, lucky for you, I'm going to go figure that out.
[00:25:05]  Yeah, I mean, there's got to be there's just got to be like, I don't know.
[00:25:10]  I don't know if Donald Trump, and this is true in politics a lot.
[00:25:13]  I don't know if saying the right thing is the politically expedient thing to say.
[00:25:18]  I don't know.
[00:25:19]  Also, I don't know that I just had all that right.
[00:25:20]  I got to be honest.
[00:25:21]  Well, okay, but Donald Trump has to have something better than what he's saying to say.
[00:25:26]  And that's a real opening because it just sounds, you know, what Joe Biden is saying just sounds better politically on that issue.
[00:25:33]  It's like, no, we're going to take, we're going to keep Obamacare.
[00:25:35]  You know, okay.
[00:25:38]  Other, there was one other, probably to me, the most surprising part of the debate was around the immigration discussion.
[00:25:49]  So I was surprised that immigration came up at all.
[00:25:52]  It wasn't in one of the pre-released topics that they were going to be covering.
[00:25:58]  Immigration was the central issue of Donald Trump's campaign in 2016.
[00:26:04]  And immigration has not been discussed a lot at all in 2020.
[00:26:09]  And I got to say, this is one of the areas that I think is a real weakness for Donald Trump in general: is that there were like the issues, his bread and butter issues that he rode into the White House on have really not been present in this campaign.
[00:26:25]  And there were, you know, the three major issues, policy issues that Donald Trump rode into the White House on were immigration, trade, and wars.
[00:26:34]  And pretty much none of this has been coming up at all.
[00:26:38]  And that's a real weakness for Donald Trump.
[00:26:39]  Because he did a good job on all of them.
[00:26:41]  He built us the wall.

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[00:26:42]  He figured out the trade agreement with China so that everyone would make more money.
[00:26:45]  That's what he'll say.
[00:26:45]  And he got us out of the wars.
[00:26:47]  All those promises.
[00:26:48]  How is that?
[00:26:49]  This is what's so incredible.
[00:26:50]  They haven't held his feet to the fire on any of those issues because the Democrats would look worse.
[00:26:55]  So they don't even want to bring up those issues.
[00:26:57]  There's no partisan points to be scored by bringing them up.
[00:27:01]  So they just ignore them.
[00:27:02]  But, you know, I got to say, I think a lot of people in the country, look, I called this way back last year.
[00:27:09]  And even then, I was saying, I think Donald Trump's going to get re-elected.
[00:27:13]  And short of this whole crazy year, he clearly would have.
[00:27:17]  And he still probably will.
[00:27:19]  Slim, very slim, probably.
[00:27:22]  It's really quite, it's close to a toss-up.
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[00:29:22]  I remember saying when I heard Donald Trump's campaign slogan, you probably remember this when we were back in the studio, when it was Keep America Great.
[00:29:29]  And I was like, hey, you know, that's a much weaker slogan than Make America Great Again.
[00:29:34]  Not nearly as Make America Great Again has this real like, there's so much in there in four words that conveys so much information in four words.
[00:29:47]  It's like, first of all, it's letting you know that we thought that the country was great, that the country is no longer great, and that we can go and make the country great again.
[00:29:56]  It's got everything in it.

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[00:29:58]  It's a message of hope, but it's an optimistic message.
[00:30:02]  We're going to make the country great again, but it's also pointing the finger at the fact that we were great and somebody fucking ruined that.
[00:30:09]  And you know who that is, Wink Wink.
[00:30:11]  You know what I mean?
[00:30:12]  Like there's a lot to these four words, really brilliant campaign slogan.
[00:30:17]  Again, this is not an endorsement or rejection of it, just analyzing it.
[00:30:20]  Like really, keep America great.
[00:30:24]  That's a whole different thing.
[00:30:25]  Now you're saying to anybody who doesn't feel like things are going great, there's no message for you there.
[00:30:32]  You know, like Make America Great Again, you could be doing pretty good and still feel like, yeah, I'm going to do even better when we make the country great again.
[00:30:40]  Or you could be doing bad and that's like the perfect message for you.
[00:30:43]  You're going to win again.
[00:30:44]  But keep America great is a little bit weaker.
[00:30:47]  And this, to me, it's like Donald Trump, like all of these issues for people who live in these, you know, towns all across America where there's, you know, they used to be like a manufacturing base and now they see all these, you know, like, you know, factories and plants have gone away.
[00:31:04]  And for people who see the demographic changes in America, he spoke to those people.
[00:31:08]  And all of those issues still exist.
[00:31:11]  And he's not really speaking to that issue anymore.
[00:31:14]  But immigration came up in this debate.
[00:31:17]  So I was kind of surprised that it came up at all.
[00:31:20]  And then I was really, really surprised that Donald Trump's whole argument Basically, none of it seemed to be appealing to that base that he wrote in the energy that he wrote all the way to the White House.
[00:31:35]  He wasn't like, I mean, a little bit once Joe started defending catch and release, he attacked that.
[00:31:42]  But basically, his pitch early on was: no, you guys were the real hard immigration restrictionists.
[00:31:49]  You guys were the ones who built those cells where there were kids.
[00:31:53]  He conceded the narrative that there were children in cages.
[00:31:57]  He didn't even try to fight back on that.
[00:31:58]  He went, Yeah, I put kids in cages, but who built those cages?
[00:32:02]  Joe Biden built those cages.
[00:32:03]  So, really, you're responsible for me putting kids in cages.
[00:32:06]  I just thought it was a weak argument, and it wasn't focused on what the Trumpian message you would think would be.
[00:32:13]  And I was shocked that he wouldn't.
[00:32:15]  And this is again, I think, to not doing debate prep.
[00:32:19]  Is that the talking point that I was sure he like I was waiting for him to say it and he never got to any of it was that Joe Biden has basically said throughout the primary that he's going to, you know, have a moratorium on deportations, that he was going to cut ICE's budget, and that immigrants were entitled to free health care picked up by the taxpayer.
[00:32:45]  I couldn't believe Trump didn't go after any of this.
[00:32:48]  To me, that was that was like the ace like laying on the ground right there.
[00:32:53]  And Trump's usually pretty good at like picking up these aces that no one else wants to play.
[00:32:57]  And he just left them, he left them on the ground.
[00:32:59]  So I was shocked by that.
[00:33:01]  That this was to me, I thought, you know, what like the Trumpian message was right there for him.
[00:33:06]  Listen, this is what he wants.
[00:33:08]  This amounts to not only open borders, but open borders, and we got to pay for everything.
[00:33:13]  And he's here defending catch and release in the middle of a pandemic.
[00:33:17]  So what do you guys like?
[00:33:18]  I mean, it was just all right there for him.
[00:33:21]  Look, the economy is a wreck.
[00:33:23]  He wants to ship it.
[00:33:24]  This is going to be millions of low-wage workers.
[00:33:27]  He wants the taxpayer to have to pick up everything for him.
[00:33:29]  You know, it was like, and I couldn't believe he didn't make that case, didn't throw that red meat to his base.
[00:33:35]  And also that I think most, you know, people in the middle, like the independent voters, would probably side with him more than Joe Biden on this issue.
[00:33:44]  So I was really, really surprised that this turned into, no, you built the cages.
[00:33:51]  I think that's well said.
[00:33:53]  The way he got tricked into taking that position was that, and this is where you can see the propaganda at work.
[00:33:59]  It's the same as the Iran story came out from the FBI two days beforehand.
[00:34:03]  So then, oh, since it's from the FBI, the intelligence community, our esteemed FBI, this is the important thing that we need to address.
[00:34:10]  There was a big news story earlier in the week about how many kids have been lost from their parents.
[00:34:15]  And that looks really, really bad on Trump.
[00:34:18]  So that's why it was reported this week.
[00:34:21]  And that's why it came up because now it's not so much about what's the policy or how are we dealing with it.
[00:34:27]  It's the inhumanity of the Trump administration that they instituted this policy and look at the way it's failed.
[00:34:34]  Which, by the way, you think in a debate, obviously, we shouldn't have inhumane policies.
[00:34:39]  But if you're going to have a debate, you probably want to talk about policy.
[00:34:42]  So if it wasn't a propaganda piece, the question would be, all right, Biden, you said you want to do the following on immigration is still important.
[00:34:49]  Obviously, we got a coronavirus, so we haven't been talking about as much.
[00:34:52]  Biden, here's your policy.
[00:34:53]  Trump, here's your policy.
[00:34:55]  What are you guys putting forward for immigration?
[00:34:56]  That's not what they do.
[00:34:57]  They go, hey, here's one incident where you look really terrible.
[00:35:02]  How are you going to address this one incident of you looking really terrible?
[00:35:06]  And within that context, Trump, firstly, I don't know that Trump actually called out Biden that the Obama administration did more deportations, but it was a decent pivot.
[00:35:16]  I agree with everything you said 100% that he should have just pivoted into the conversation about the important elements of immigration.
[00:35:22]  But the context was, hey, you've done this inhumane thing.
[00:35:25]  And so he kind of pivoted to, well, who built these camps?
[00:35:28]  And he failed to stress this point, but he should have also said, and who deported more people.
[00:35:33]  Listen, what Donald Trump to me, what I was expecting and what I would have thought would have been like, if I was Trump's campaign manager or something, like, you know, I put myself in the position, like try to imagine being Biden's team or Trump's team.
[00:35:47]  It would have been as simple as being like, look, it's terrible, but it's a terrible situation.
[00:35:54]  And there is no easy answer to this.
[00:35:56]  And these kids, a lot of them are not being brought over by their parents.
[00:35:59]  They're being brought over by predators and people who are, you know, coyotes and all this stuff.
[00:36:03]  And I'd go, look, we have to do something.
[00:36:05]  We have to have a border.
[00:36:06]  And back to the Trumpian.
[00:36:07]  We're not a country if we don't have a border.
[00:36:09]  And Joe Biden's solution is basically open borders and the taxpayer picks up everything for them.
[00:36:14]  That cannot be done in a bad economy in the middle of a pandemic.
[00:36:17]  This is national suicide, something like that.
[00:36:20]  And I think that would have been much more effective and grabbed at that populist energy that is Trump's whole appeal.
[00:36:26]  I think you're 100% right that there has been a failure of the Trump team to go back and watch the Democratic debates and some of the promises that Biden made in order to get the nomination that the country would absolutely hate.
[00:36:39]  There wasn't enough clarity on does Biden support the Green New Deal?
[00:36:43]  And does that mean that he wants to dismantle buildings, roads, highways, and airplanes?
[00:36:47]  And on this case, like you said, you know, why didn't anyone review what he said on immigration and then put that forward in front of the entire country?
[00:36:55]  It's a failure.
[00:36:55]  And when he said that, when he went on record in the primary, said that I just went, oh man, he just wrote Trump's campaigns.
[00:37:01]  Right.
[00:37:02]  Now, of course, a lot of shit's happened since then this year, but still, I was surprised that didn't happen.
[00:37:07]  Okay.
[00:37:09]  The COVID stuff.
[00:37:12]  This was obviously this was going to be a major topic in any political debate this year.
[00:37:18]  I thought Trump did okay.
[00:37:24]  But again, there were major missed opportunities here.
[00:37:27]  Now, Biden's whole line of attack is so ridiculous.
[00:37:36]  And Kamala Harris was with at the debate with Mike Pence as well, just so absurd that I wonder.
[00:37:42]  I don't know.
[00:37:42]  I mean, I guess that the people who really hate Donald Trump, this might appeal to them in the same sense that you could say he's working for Vladimir Putin.
[00:37:51]  You could say whatever you want to, whatever.
[00:37:54]  They're all going to go for anything that's a narrative that Trump is evil.
[00:37:58]  But the idea is basically that all of these COVID deaths are Donald Trump's fault.
[00:38:03]  And it just seems to me insane when this is a virus that's affected basically the entire globe.
[00:38:10]  That just seems bananas to me that this is the path that he's taking.
[00:38:17]  So I don't know.
[00:38:18]  I don't know how much that's going to work.
[00:38:21]  I thought that Trump did a decent job when he trying to establish himself as I'm for opening the economy.
[00:38:28]  You're the guy who's going to close the economy back down.
[00:38:30]  But I just thought Trump had to have the balls to go full, full 100% with it.
[00:38:36]  Like, listen, like what Donald Trump had to say is something along the lines of, I will promise you right now, no more lockdowns.
[00:38:43]  Like if I'm re-elected, no more lockdowns.
[00:38:45]  We've figured it out at this point.
[00:38:47]  The cure was worse than the disease.
[00:38:49]  This is destroying the country.
[00:38:51]  We need to be open.
[00:38:52]  We can do it and be smart.
[00:38:53]  We need to trust the American people.
[00:38:55]  But I am saying no more lockdowns.
[00:38:57]  Biden, will you commit to the same thing?
[00:38:59]  And Biden wouldn't do that if he put him on the spot for it.
[00:39:02]  So that would, I thought, be a huge victory for Donald Trump.
[00:39:06]  Like, listen, right now, I'm the guy who's for not even like freedom in the sense that we mean it, like a base amount of freedom that everyone took for granted last year at this time.
[00:39:17]  I thought that would, and he didn't.
[00:39:19]  He didn't quite go that far.
[00:39:21]  He did have Biden on the ropes a little bit where Biden's like, I'll listen to the scientists and this, this shit, and whatever.
[00:39:27]  He did a decent job of saying, you know, I'm listening to your plan, Biden, and nothing here sounds new.
[00:39:32]  Like, this all just basically sounds like what we're doing.
[00:39:34]  Biden's thing is, we'll wear more masks.
[00:39:37]  I don't know.
[00:39:38]  This is like ridiculous.
[00:39:40]  But it, you know, it was certainly, from my perspective, a missed opportunity for Trump.
[00:39:47]  Agreed.
[00:39:48]  Yeah.
[00:39:48]  Okay.
[00:39:50]  The line that Trump, you know, and this is the problem with someone like Donald Trump is that he's such a narcissist.
[00:39:58]  And don't get me wrong, they all are, but he is such a naked narcissist that he, I don't think he can have people around him to tell him to cut out a line if he likes it.
[00:40:11]  Right.
[00:40:11]  Like if he likes it, he's just going to keep using this line.
[00:40:14]  So nobody can tell him, ah, dude, this one just really doesn't work.
[00:40:18]  And the first one, the swine flu thing is just so stupid.
[00:40:22]  It's just stupid.
[00:40:23]  It doesn't resonate with anyone to go, no, Biden, you really handled the pandemic terribly.
[00:40:28]  You remember that swine flu problem?
[00:40:31]  I mean, like, even if there is some argument to the fact that if it had the same fatality rate, it would have been worse than COVID.
[00:40:38]  Who does that really resonate with?
[00:40:41]  Remember that terrible pandemic that tore through the country under Obama and Biden?
[00:40:46]  No, me neither.
[00:40:47]  Neither does anybody else.
[00:40:49]  Who the hell is living through this year and going, oh, yeah, swine flu was such a disaster.
[00:40:54]  That was so mismanaged.
[00:40:55]  It's just a stupid line.
[00:40:57]  And he insists on throwing it out every time.
[00:41:00]  It's kind of like his dumb line about Abraham Lincoln.
[00:41:03]  For whatever reason, he just thinks that's clever.
[00:41:06]  He thinks it comes off good.
[00:41:07]  No one's done more for the black community besides perhaps Abraham Lincoln.
[00:41:11]  It sounds like you sound like a buffoon.
[00:41:14]  It doesn't make any sense.
[00:41:16]  Nobody is comparing you having a low unemployment rate for black people last year at this time to abolishing slavery.
[00:41:24]  Like no one's really thinking, yeah, those are both pretty like, you know, equal contributions to the black community.
[00:41:30]  It's stupid, but he thinks it's good.
[00:41:33]  So he keeps using it.
[00:41:34]  I just think it's terrible.
[00:41:35]  And unfortunately, Donald Trump is just such a narcissist that you can't tell him to drop a line that, you know, sucks.
[00:41:44]  I also like how he keeps getting program names out of Star Wars.
[00:41:47]  Now he's got Operation Warp Speed.
[00:41:49]  Like, you know, it just, he just needs to rewin the election and then we can go into warp speed on solving this problem.
[00:41:56]  And Space Force, that's going to take off too.
[00:41:58]  Space Force, warp speed.
[00:42:00]  I think it's a, I also think it's, you know, the idea that we're weeks away from a vaccine is just, it just reeks of bullshit.
[00:42:07]  And I don't think, I think that's probably how most people are going to see it.
[00:42:12]  Okay.
[00:42:12]  What immigration healthcare?
[00:42:16]  I did have, I do have some notes for this episode.
[00:42:18]  Very rarely do, but I wanted to try to make sure I didn't miss stuff.
[00:42:23]  Okay.
[00:42:24]  So the issue of race came up.
[00:42:30]  That's where Trump used that ridiculous Abraham Lincoln line.
[00:42:33]  And Joe Biden had a terrible flub of, you know, whatever.
[00:42:37]  The Lincoln here is a racist, whatever.
[00:42:42]  I thought that Donald Trump did, again, huge missed opportunities.
[00:42:49]  You know, it's fine to say what you've done for the black community.
[00:42:54]  And he really likes to bring up all of these things and that there was low unemployment and black colleges were funded and whatever, you know, the things that he likes to kind of excuse me, to brag about.
[00:43:10]  But this was a, you know, he said that the Fryam, like Bacon line of Black Lives Matter or whatever.
[00:43:18]  This was a huge opportunity to pivot to the riots, and he didn't really do it.
[00:43:23]  And that was that, this is a golden opportunity that Donald Trump should have taken to pivot to the right, you know, say a few things about how, you know, what you've done, criminal justice reform, black colleges, low unemployment.
[00:43:36]  Okay.
[00:43:36]  But then you got to pivot to the riots and really hit Biden over that.
[00:43:40]  And just, you know, it's as simple as you got to sit down, you got some smart people around you, work out a line or two that's just like, I'm sorry, Mr. Vice President, but we're not going to forget what happened this summer.
[00:43:53]  There were the worst sustained riots in America in decades, and your party basically cheered them on or pretended they didn't exist.
[00:44:00]  And that's unacceptable.
[00:44:02]  Like, will you condemn, you know, blah, blah, blah.
[00:44:05]  Will you condemn Antifa and the Black Lives Matter violence?
[00:44:08]  And it's really, you know, again, I just thought it was a huge opportunity that was completely missed by Donald Trump there.
[00:44:15]  So it's just not a very strong, not a very strong segment for him.
[00:44:21]  Yeah, just another moment.
[00:44:22]  He didn't go for the juggler.
[00:44:24]  It was sitting there.
[00:44:26]  And also, it was a weak moment on Biden's part.
[00:44:29]  I mean, just, you know, Biden was weak throughout the entire debate.
[00:44:33]  There's, I mean, I'll say there were at least like Trump landed some blows on Biden.
[00:44:37]  I don't know.
[00:44:38]  Maybe correct me if you think I'm wrong.
[00:44:40]  I don't think Biden landed any substantial blows on Donald Trump.
[00:44:44]  Like, I didn't think there was anything.
[00:44:46]  The stuff about, oh, he's the racist.
[00:44:48]  He's the first racist president in American history.
[00:44:51]  Everybody's moved toward more inclusion and he's moved toward more racism.
[00:44:56]  I just, I don't know.
[00:44:58]  I don't know how this works with Biden's base.
[00:45:03]  I don't even understand.
[00:45:04]  I mean, maybe I can't.
[00:45:06]  I just don't quite get the liberal or left-wing mindset enough.
[00:45:14]  Maybe that's like my problem.
[00:45:15]  But how exactly do the people who are like pushing the 1619 project also get on board with this?
[00:45:22]  Like Donald Trump's the first racist president ever?
[00:45:25]  I thought everything was racist.
[00:45:27]  I thought we've been racist since our inception.
[00:45:29]  I thought the whole history of the country is racism.
[00:45:31]  How is Donald Trump the first racist ever?
[00:45:33]  And isn't it something I don't have the number, but in like 10 of the first 12 presidents' own slaves?
[00:45:38]  Like, what?
[00:45:39]  How do you get up here and go, Donald Trump's the first racist ever?
[00:45:42]  Like, what?
[00:45:43]  Like, I didn't Woodrow Wilson like re-segregate the military or something like that.
[00:45:48]  Like, there's, there's been some pretty racist presidents.
[00:45:51]  He wanted the blacks to be able to get to the battle scenes first.

=== Hunter Biden Email Scandal (17:05) ===

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[00:47:34]  Anyway, so, okay.
[00:47:35]  So is there anything else on that?
[00:47:38]  Yeah, the Lincoln thing was stupid.
[00:47:40]  Joe Biden.
[00:47:43]  Okay.
[00:47:44]  So the biggest, I thought the biggest blow that Donald Trump was able to land on Joe Biden of the night was toward the end when they started talking about energy.
[00:47:56]  And that segment Trump did a very good job on.
[00:48:00]  And this is understand, this is a big issue.
[00:48:05]  This is an issue that people vote on.
[00:48:08]  And that there's actually a lot of people, if you talk to, you know, people enough, you will find people who are voting for Donald Trump specifically because of like fracking related issues.
[00:48:21]  And they really think that the Democrats are going to come in and end this shit.
[00:48:26]  And there's a lot of jobs that have been created based off fracking.
[00:48:30]  And of course, other energy jobs.
[00:48:31]  It's not just jobs.
[00:48:32]  It's look at oil prices globally.
[00:48:34]  That's in part because we became a natural, we became an exporter of, I think, natural gas, which is what brought down oil prices.
[00:48:42]  And if you want to, if you think we're in a recession or growth has been slow, I remember like eight, nine years ago, I had my one, you know, Wall Street internship and they kept talking that like we just need oil prices to come down and we'll have an economic boom in this country.
[00:48:56]  Oil prices came down.
[00:48:57]  We didn't have an economic boom, but you know what that means?
[00:48:58]  There probably would have been a pretty bad recession or depression.
[00:49:01]  Like global prices coming down is supposed to mean that every everything's cheaper and then people are able to do a lot more, make better investments or save or spend, whatever the hell it is.
[00:49:11]  Oil prices coming down is supposed to lead to an economic boom.
[00:49:13]  So if it comes down, you don't have a boom.
[00:49:15]  That just means that you would have had a recession or a depression.
[00:49:19]  And so like you can't, I don't, anyone who's anti-fracking, I don't know if you quite understand the way that might have saved our country or just some of the economic gain that has come from it.
[00:49:30]  Yeah.
[00:49:31]  No, absolutely.
[00:49:32]  And then also the fact, right, like that's no question about that.
[00:49:36]  I mean, the economy would have been in much worse shape if it wasn't for fracking.
[00:49:39]  And, you know, no question.
[00:49:43]  But in addition to that, there's people who are, you know, people oftentimes don't exactly understand what's going on with the larger picture with the economy.
[00:49:51]  So you might, you know, be for something or against it.
[00:49:53]  And they'd be like, oh, yeah, yeah, no, the economy would have been good without fracking or something like that.
[00:49:58]  But there are people whose jobs are directly tied to this and in important states in Pennsylvania, in Ohio, and like very important areas.
[00:50:07]  And these are states where, you know, a small number of votes can make a big difference.
[00:50:12]  And Donald Trump basically said, you want to get rid of fracking.
[00:50:17]  And Joe Biden's like, no, no, no, I never said that.
[00:50:19]  But the problem is he has said that or things very close to that a bunch throughout the primary because that's what plays well with the left-wing base.
[00:50:28]  And, you know, this was a huge moment in Hillary Clinton's failed presidential bid.
[00:50:36]  This was huge that she said, we're going to put a lot of coal miners out of work.
[00:50:41]  This is like the somewhat, and I mean somewhat, the very reality-based fear of a lot of people in the energy sector that it's like, oh, yeah, the Democrats are out here telling you they're trying to put you out of work.
[00:50:55]  And so he played on that.
[00:50:56]  And then he basically got Biden to admit that, yes, we are going to transition off of it.
[00:51:01]  And then Donald Trump kind of repeated like, that's huge.
[00:51:04]  That's a huge statement.
[00:51:05]  And I think that that is something that might hurt Joe Biden.
[00:51:08]  And that's, you know, something like that could be very big in a very tight race.
[00:51:13]  Yeah.
[00:51:14]  The other, just one more great Biden moment.
[00:51:16]  And I don't remember exactly when he said it, but I just started cracking up.
[00:51:19]  But amidst the conversation about what's going on in China, at one point, Biden repeated the line of no one saying it.
[00:51:25]  And it's like, no, at this point, literally everyone's saying it, Biden.
[00:51:28]  You can't claim no one's saying.
[00:51:29]  Oh, well, he said, no one's saying his son did anything wrong.
[00:51:32]  Right.
[00:51:33]  Like, no one is saying your son did anything wrong.
[00:51:36]  That's it's but it almost goes to show you, right?
[00:51:39]  Like, there's this thing that Biden has when you have the entire corporate press basically covering for you that you can get away with saying something like that and just count on them that they won't report it.
[00:51:49]  As oh, no one's saying that.
[00:51:50]  No one's saying Hunter did anything wrong.
[00:51:52]  What?
[00:51:53]  Okay.
[00:51:54]  Now, that is, that's going to be very interesting to see what comes of all of that stuff.
[00:52:00]  You could spin that as, but like, if it was the other way around, they would spin that as Biden endorses crack.
[00:52:05]  Yeah.
[00:52:06]  Okay.
[00:52:06]  So, overall, uh, with the debate, I would say that Trump won, um, that he Biden looked bad.
[00:52:15]  I mean, I thought Biden really looked old and slow, and it just to me, I thought it looked much more like you can still see Trump continuing to be president, and it's kind of hard to see this guy, Joe Biden, actually being the president, just didn't seem strong enough for the role.
[00:52:35]  Um, but it was a Trump coming on, landing some blows, missing some big opportunities, and now we go to the judges.
[00:52:43]  It certainly wasn't the knockout that there was potential to have.
[00:52:48]  One of, as I said, I think the major missed opportunities was that he just did not, he did not nail him on this Hunter Biden laptop controversy the way he needed to and the way he could have, um, and which would have taken a little bit of work and a little bit of prep.
[00:53:03]  It's not that easy.
[00:53:04]  You have to be able to explain it in a clear way, concisely and devastatingly, you know, which isn't that weird, how which isn't that easy.
[00:53:13]  However, something big did happen, right?
[00:53:17]  With this guy, Tony Bolunski Bobolinski came out and had a press conference an hour before the debate.
[00:53:26]  Real fucking political theater at its finest there, although Trump didn't capitalize on it during the debate.
[00:53:32]  But look, let's just recap.
[00:53:33]  This is a scandal I've been talking about for a few weeks now.
[00:53:39]  This is pretty conclusively Hunter Biden's laptop.
[00:53:43]  I mean, this is almost impossible to deny at this point.
[00:53:47]  It's not actually that hard to verify when you have a hard drive whether it's that person's or not.
[00:53:53]  And it's pretty simple, right?
[00:53:54]  Like just this on itself, right?
[00:53:56]  If you're a news organization, let's say I have a computer that I believe is yours, Rob Bernstein.
[00:54:02]  Don't panic, Rob.
[00:54:02]  I don't have your computer because that would be devastating.
[00:54:05]  But if I have a computer and I have your emails and I have all of these emails with you, well, what's a pretty easy way for me to verify that?
[00:54:12]  Well, I can reach out to somebody else who you emailed, right?
[00:54:15]  And I can ask them if this email is true.
[00:54:19]  And if they say yes, I can ask them if they can reproduce it.
[00:54:22]  And if they can also reproduce it, right?
[00:54:24]  Like if they can just forward me another copy of that email, that's just in itself is fairly conclusive that these are in fact your emails.
[00:54:31]  And then if you can do that with several people on the email chain, you can pretty conclusively, you know, determine that these are your emails.
[00:54:39]  It's also like I mentioned this on the last episode, just to run through the case very quickly, right?
[00:54:43]  This is where we were as of yesterday, before this press conference.
[00:54:47]  You've got the fact that Joe Biden's not denying it.
[00:54:50]  Hunter Biden's not denying it.
[00:54:52]  Hunter Biden's lawyer requested the hard drive back, pretty much an admission that it is in fact their hard hard drive.
[00:54:59]  They've got Hunter Biden's signature at the computer repair shop, which matches up with Hunter Biden's signature.
[00:55:05]  They've also corroborated the emails from other people.
[00:55:09]  So, you've got a good amount of information here that this is, in fact, Hunter Biden's computer.
[00:55:15]  Now, you have Hunter Biden's business partner coming out confirming these emails.
[00:55:22]  And he's also turned over three phones with a bunch of emails.
[00:55:27]  What were we saying?
[00:55:28]  WhatsApp communications and stuff like that.
[00:55:31]  And you also got the guy in jail who handed over access to his email.
[00:55:35]  So you kind of have two corroborating witnesses.
[00:55:38]  There's a lot.
[00:55:39]  And now there's a lot more emails, a lot more information.
[00:55:42]  So a lot of stuff is going to come out about this in the future.
[00:55:48]  We'll see how quickly because we're very close to election day, right?
[00:55:51]  We're less than two weeks away from the election, but probably there's going to be more stuff.
[00:55:56]  It seemed like they were trying to lure the Bidens into lie about this stuff.
[00:56:03]  This was, by the way, an old Breitbart tactic.
[00:56:06]  And Bannon learned a lot from Breitbart.
[00:56:09]  He worked at Breitbart for a long time.
[00:56:11]  The old Breitbart tactic would be you get a scandal like this, you drip a little bit of it out, you let them deny it, and then you hit them with the big story.
[00:56:20]  So now not only do you have the scandal, but you have them lying about the scandal as well.
[00:56:24]  And it seems like that's the tactic they're trying to use.
[00:56:27]  Although I thought Trump could have, as we've mentioned, delivered it in a better way.
[00:56:32]  The only thing I'm not liking about the scandal thus far is one, you're going to need some direct evidence that actually like evidence against Joe Biden, evidence against Hunter Biden.
[00:56:43]  Like you can make the argument Hunter Biden's drug addict and, you know, he did a really good job of selling the fact that he was selling influence that he didn't actually have.
[00:56:51]  You can make that argument that actually there was no influence on the other side of it.
[00:56:55]  And this guy's a brilliant salesman, drug addict who managed to convince companies to give him millions of dollars on account of his dad's influence, but his dad was never involved.
[00:57:04]  And that's, yeah.
[00:57:05]  Yeah.
[00:57:06]  And to be clear, that would not be enough of a scandal, right?
[00:57:09]  Right.
[00:57:09]  Like if the scandal is that Joe Biden's son is basically selling his last name and going around and making all this money off of it's slimy.
[00:57:18]  It's slimy.
[00:57:19]  It's swampy, but it's not quite enough.
[00:57:21]  However, what you're talking about here is Joe Biden being the big guy taking 10% of the money.
[00:57:27]  Now, if you can get anything in that direction, there's actually an account with the 10%.
[00:57:32]  You need more than just his email.
[00:57:33]  But look, what we have right now, what this guy is claiming is that he's an eyewitness to it, that he actually had conversations with Joe Biden and he was well aware of this.
[00:57:42]  Now, this guy is getting there.
[00:57:44]  Right.
[00:57:44]  Right.
[00:57:44]  You're going to click.
[00:57:45]  Firstly, I think Biden's dirty.
[00:57:47]  I'm just kind of playing devil's advocate here.
[00:57:49]  Like, there's some things here that I'm like, I need to see a little bit more.
[00:57:52]  This Bob Olinski fellow, if I even have his last name right, and I already don't trust that last name.
[00:57:58]  How do you go from being in the military to being a multi-million dollar international deal broker?
[00:58:04]  What's the experience there?
[00:58:05]  Is there some sort of a CIA relationship or some sort of an upper like intelligence relationship that you can just go from being in the Navy to all of a sudden brokering major?
[00:58:15]  What's the story there?
[00:58:17]  I have a feeling we're going to find out some more about this Tony fellow.
[00:58:21]  So we'll see what the story is.
[00:58:24]  But that's no, that's a very interesting question.
[00:58:28]  But the other angle of this, right?
[00:58:31]  That is, so there's the business angle.
[00:58:33]  What else comes out about that?
[00:58:35]  How corrupt is Biden?
[00:58:37]  Was he directly taking money?
[00:58:38]  All of this other stuff, right?
[00:58:40]  Now, of course, as the Biden campaign's response to that, he's released his tax returns.
[00:58:44]  And, you know, that was a good pivot.
[00:58:46]  Yeah, it's not bad.
[00:58:47]  Well, he's released his tax returns.
[00:58:49]  And look, there's no money he's taken.
[00:58:50]  Now, of course, the money isn't going to be sitting in Joe Biden's name in a bank account.
[00:58:54]  So again, like you said, it's going to be that stuff gets a little bit more difficult to prove unless you have like three or four more people who come out and can confirm this stuff.
[00:59:05]  But of course, and then they pivot right back to, and he releases tax returns and Trump won't release his tax returns and he's got a secret bank account in China.
[00:59:12]  You know, the same people who are just lecturing you about whataboutism, that is their defense to this.
[00:59:18]  But, you know, okay, that's politics.
[00:59:20]  This is what they're going with.
[00:59:21]  But the other angle that I have been talking about for the last few shows, which is a big one, which will be really hard for people to get out of their heads, is the pedophile stuff.
[00:59:31]  And Rudy Giuliani has turned over the hard drive to the Delaware police, who have sent it to the FBI.
[00:59:38]  And Rudy Giuliani is saying that there were images of underage girls on the computer.
[00:59:43]  Now, we'll see what ends up coming of all of this.
[00:59:46]  But as I've mentioned before, it's just a little bit crazy that Donald Trump was asked about QAnon pedophile conspiracies and asked to denounce them the day after this story came out.
[00:59:57]  It's a little bit crazy that Giuliani is claiming this.
[00:59:59]  And now the police department and the state attorney general have confirmed that he did turn over this computer to them.
[01:00:06]  A little bit interesting.
[01:00:08]  One other thing.
[01:00:09]  I'm going to say a hot take on that, on the pedophilia thing.
[01:00:12]  All right.
[01:00:13]  So what I was saying before.
[01:00:14]  Don't use the word hot and pedophilia together, but go ahead.
[01:00:18]  In terms of you got to actually prove that this is Joe Biden and the scandal, and it's not just Hunter Biden selling off the name.
[01:00:27]  If you turn out with firm proof of Hunter Biden engaging in pedophilia, even Joe Biden is going to disavow his own son.
[01:00:34]  And the conversation is going to be, this is the tragicness.
[01:00:37]  This is the tragedy of drug addiction that this kid that I loved went so far and became so not himself that obviously he wasn't engaging as a human being.
[01:00:46]  And that will be the line by which he's no longer his father.
[01:00:50]  He disassociates himself.
[01:00:52]  And then there's no longer a connection.
[01:00:55]  I think the business stuff, if you don't implicate Joe Biden, then it's just Hunter.
[01:00:59]  Hunter's not running for president.
[01:01:01]  I think if it's pedophile stuff, that's just too devastating.
[01:01:04]  And I think it just plays into the overall.
[01:01:07]  It's his kid.
[01:01:07]  He can try to distance himself from it now, but this kid was flying on Air Force 2 with him.
[01:01:11]  He's been like, it's just, I think it's just too disgusting and too close.
[01:01:16]  And it will, it will be a big problem for him.
[01:01:18]  That being said, listen, there has been, I'm watching last night because I love to do this after the debates.
[01:01:25]  I watch a little MSNBC, a little CNN.
[01:01:27]  They were really angry and upset.
[01:01:30]  And this is how you can tell that it didn't go the way they want.
[01:01:32]  They're realizing something right now, right?
[01:01:34]  Which is that the polls might indicate Joe Biden's winning, but his lead is shrunk in the polls.
[01:01:42]  And it's less than what Hillary Clinton's was right around this time.
[01:01:46]  And they know as much as we know that the polls aren't telling the full story.
[01:01:51]  The truth is that if you look at any other metric, there's no other metric that tells you Joe Biden is winning this election.
[01:01:59]  Enthusiasm, crowd sizes, debate performances.
[01:02:03]  No other metric tells you that Joe Biden is going to be the next president.
[01:02:06]  And they're realizing that it's getting pretty close and it's getting down to the, and they've put everything.
[01:02:11]  They've gone all in on Donald Trump cannot get elected and now cannot get reelected.
[01:02:16]  And you could see it.
[01:02:17]  You could see it in the coverage.
[01:02:19]  They're angry and they're upset.
[01:02:21]  But there was something else that Jake Tapper said on CNN that caught my eye.
[01:02:26]  And I thought this was worth playing and just briefly commenting on before we wrap up the show.
[01:02:31]  So let's go to this video of Jake Tapper last night post-debate.
[01:02:35]  One other thing about the Gates McBrite McBreitbart nonsense that Trump spews, like this little code words that make Hannity's pins shine at specific moments when he utters them.
[01:02:49]  The president, even though he leaned into it a little bit, but he didn't really go full bore, which I think was wise, or at least not stupid.

=== Jake Tapper Priming Audience (05:31) ===

[01:03:00]  He is running the single most negative, sleazy campaign in American history for a major party candidate.
[01:03:08]  Now, it used to be that people would be negative.
[01:03:10]  Trump said something.
[01:03:11]  Well, people, it used to be people would be negative.
[01:03:13]  And you could always say, well, don't forget the campaign against Dekakis or historians like Beshloss or whatever would come on and say, you know, in 1800, Jefferson had pamphleteers who accused John Adams of being a hermaphrodite or whatever.
[01:03:27]  The campaign that Trump and his allies in the media and his members of his family and the Trump allied websites and such are leveling with charges so heinous.
[01:03:37]  I'm not even going to say them.
[01:03:39]  Just nonsense, crap, tied into QAnon, tied into Pizzagate, tied into the worst things you could say about a person with no evidence, just completely made up, is so disgusting and so beneath what this election should be.
[01:03:55]  And I just want viewers at home to be ready because all of their grandparents' Facebook feeds and all of the Twitter, Twitter sphere, and it's going to be so heinous over the next 11 days.
[01:04:09]  And people should just be prepared for it.
[01:04:10]  The president leaned into some of it.
[01:04:12]  Generally, just some of the slea or baseless accusations, not the worst, but it's going to get a lot worse.
[01:04:20]  All right.
[01:04:21]  So make no mistake about it.
[01:04:23]  That is crystal clear.
[01:04:24]  Jake Tapper is priming his audience for this pedophile shit to come out.
[01:04:30]  That's 100% what he's doing right there.
[01:04:32]  And he's doing it in a way where he's trying to poison the well and say, just so you know, you're going to hear really, really horrible things related to QAnon, okay?
[01:04:43]  Really horrible things.
[01:04:44]  And they're obviously not true.
[01:04:46]  It's just that Donald Trump's so despicable that he's running the most, you know, vicious campaign in American history, blah, blah, blah.
[01:04:54]  That's kind of interesting to me, man.
[01:04:56]  That's really interesting because he's like, Donald Trump kind of leaned into this QAnon.
[01:05:01]  No, he didn't.
[01:05:01]  Donald Trump did not even hint at anything like that.
[01:05:06]  He didn't even really lean into the laptop controversy that much.
[01:05:09]  He mentioned it briefly.
[01:05:10]  He said that Joe Biden was getting money and that his family was getting money from these countries.
[01:05:15]  He did not, he completely steered clear of any of the pedophile stuff.
[01:05:20]  So it's kind of interesting that Jake Tapper, like you start to put all the pieces to this puzzle together.
[01:05:26]  That's really something that Jake Tapper is telling you.
[01:05:28]  This is going to happen.
[01:05:30]  People are going, your grandparents are going to see this on their Facebook feed.
[01:05:34]  You have to be prepared for how ugly it's going to get over the next 11 days.
[01:05:38]  They're really worried about this.
[01:05:40]  They're really worried about this.
[01:05:42]  And this seems to indicate to me that there's something there, man.
[01:05:46]  There's something there that's going to be interesting.
[01:05:48]  It's going to be some real political evil.
[01:05:50]  You really see a little bit behind the curtain of who our overlords are, how much money they're taking selling out the country and what they're doing behind closed doors because they have this power.
[01:06:00]  It's going to be interesting.
[01:06:01]  I'm not going to believe, I don't believe it till I see it.
[01:06:03]  But if it comes out, Jesus.
[01:06:06]  Yeah, me neither.
[01:06:07]  But you know what?
[01:06:08]  It's like kind of a pretty major theme that's run throughout this show because we talk a lot about, you know, the warfare state.
[01:06:14]  And it's like, these are people who will like literally, you know, have children mowed down so that some weapons company can profit off of it.
[01:06:22]  It's not beyond the pale that they might really be comfortable with some truly evil shit.
[01:06:27]  And this was really, you see, Jake Tapper, this is not his normal demeanor.
[01:06:31]  Like he's shaken up by this.
[01:06:32]  He thinks there's a wave coming.
[01:06:35]  And, you know, it's just, it's interesting the way they view this thing where they're like, you know, Donald Trump has run the most horrifically nasty, vile campaign.
[01:06:44]  It's like, you know, from the network that was calling him a traitor to his country for three years based on nothing, from the network that calls him racist and all of these horrible things.
[01:06:54]  It's like, all right, well, they've already decided this is based off nothing.
[01:06:59]  And Donald Trump hasn't even, he hasn't said a word about any of this shit yet.
[01:07:04]  Giuliani did, but he also turned the computer over to the police.
[01:07:07]  All I'm saying is that that to me really indicated they expect this stuff to come out.
[01:07:14]  And I don't know whether you should or not, but the fact that Jake Tapper does that, there's no question what he was doing right there was priming his audience for pedophilia accusations to come out.
[01:07:26]  And so that's we'll see what that turns into.
[01:07:29]  But holy shit, that's something you're not used to hearing, Mr. CNN Jake Tapper say.
[01:07:36]  So anyway, we're going to wrap the debate recap episode up there.
[01:07:40]  We got, I think, 10 days after this episode drops till the election.
[01:07:45]  Whoo, what a ride.
[01:07:48]  And we'll be here with you every step of the way.
[01:07:50]  All right.
[01:07:50]  Thanks for listening.
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