Dave Smith and Michael Malice dissect the 2020 election, citing John Brennan's notes on a Hillary Clinton Russia hoax and a potential "P-tape" exonerating Trump. They condemn corporate media hypocrisy regarding COVID-19 responses versus Cuomo or Pelosi, arguing Sweden's success disproves lockdown necessity. Analyzing "wokeism" as J.P. Morgan Chase-style tokenism, they contrast Obama and Harris on racial identity while fearing Supreme Court packing could trigger US secession. Ultimately, the hosts warn that losing judicial legitimacy risks national war, urging a focus on the popular vote over establishment narratives. [Automatically generated summary]
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We spy on all of our own citizens.
Our prisons are flooded with nonviolent drug offenders.
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Every single one of these problems are a result of government being way too big.
What's up, everybody?
Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem.
I am thrilled to have back on the show the great Michael Malice.
I am particularly excited because it's been a little while since you've been on the podcast.
I mean, I was on your podcast a couple of weeks ago, but on this one, it's all, you know, they're slightly different.
But what's really cool about this is that me and you have put out more content together through this whole crazy year than we ever have before, or probably than I ever have with anyone else, the exception of like Legion of Skanks.
And this whole year has just been, you know, a year that'll be written about for forever.
I mean, in 10 years, in 20 years, in 30 years, there will be books written about 2020 and what the implications of that were.
And now it feels like the year is kind of culminating with a presidential election that's coming up.
And so there's a lot of stories going on that I was really interested to talk to you about.
I was thinking just earlier today when I was thinking about what we would talk about on the show, I was remembering that back in 2016, you really predicted a lot of the success that Donald Trump had much more accurately than I did.
I thought Donald Trump would fizzle and that, you know, this was going to be a fun moment, but he wasn't going to be able to beat Hillary Clinton and all this.
And you were the one who was really like, no, no, no, Hillary Clinton's going to have to stand on a debate stage with Donald Trump.
And this is going to go very bad for her.
And you were right.
You were 100% right about it.
I'm curious, with all of the crazy factors that a year ago, if we were predicting this presidential election, we couldn't have possibly imagined.
What do you feel like right now?
How do you think this election is going to go?
Oh, God.
I think it's much more up in the air because I think a lot of elements, nefarious elements, are really getting their ducks in a row to try to force an outcome.
I think last time they kind of took a lot of things for granted.
People, you know, you and I point out all the time, if she, Hillary had campaigned in a few different states, it was not at all a given that Trump would win.
I like how a lot of, you know, people like, oh, the popular vote doesn't matter.
The popular vote correlates really strongly with presidential elections.
And being able to get, what is it, 35 million, however million she got to go to the polls and vote Pokemon go to the polls for her, that's not something to sneeze at.
Because if you can get tens of millions of people to vote for you, you can get tens of millions of people to do other things for you.
And that is a huge, huge amount of power that Hillary Clinton had.
So people want to dismiss it.
And that's really kind of very foolish on their part.
I have no idea how things are going to shake out.
I thought that last debate was crazy, as most people do.
I was cheering it while it was happening.
I think people saw two completely different things depending on where they're coming in from.
I am just really glad.
And I think the story that's under the radar that I'm kind of tracking is, you know, I've been a very big proponent in America Breaking Up.
I wrote a piece about it in early 2016.
It's happening faster than ever expected.
What people aren't appreciating, which I think is going to be the next wave story, is if we lose the legitimacy of the Supreme Court, then it's kind of done.
At that point, it becomes either divorce or war, or things get really, really bad, really, really, or really, really good, depending on your perspective, really quickly.
But that's where I think we're headed.
And Breyer's 83.
Keep that in mind.
He has the superpower whoever forgets that he exists.
I think you're absolutely right.
And I, you know, because it's interesting, because me and you philosophically are very aligned, but sometimes we have different takes on, you know, current events and stuff.
But I agree completely.
I was saying this over the last week that I thought that debate was excellent.
I think that all of the people who were, you know, all these tweets I saw about, you know, who lost the debate?
The American people.
That's who lost the debate.
It's like you're, this is the thing that I, that drives me nuts about people who hate Donald Trump.
I don't even care if you hate Donald Trump, hate him.
I hate Donald Trump.
I think he should be tried for war crimes.
I mean, I think he's been a terrible president in lots of ways, but so are all of them.
He's the same.
What I hate about him is what unites him with all the other presidents, not that he's different.
And if you treat this debate as if this was the first time the American people lost, and if we could just get back to the substantive Barack Obama-Mitt Romney debates, which was really, you know, a true battle of ideas, it's like, get the fuck out of here.
These things are, it's one propagandist, another propagandist competing for power, lying through their teeth.
That's what it always is.
So let's have it be a shit show.
Let's talk about those debates.
Let's talk about those Romney Obama debates.
When Mitt Romney said that Russia is our biggest threat, Obama laughed at his face and all the blue checks on Twitter and all the corporate press laughed in his face.
Hey, the 80s called.
They want their foreign policy back.
Four years later, Russia is not only our biggest foe, but is an existential threat to our democracy.
Not one of those people who made that switch who was like, you know, Mitt Romney was right.
Or I was full of shit then and I'm full of shit now.
They didn't bat a single eye.
Mitt Romney was mocked widely because they're talking about hiring women.
And he said, we had binders full of women, meaning binders full of women's resumes.
That was the business colloquialism.
And they laughed as if he had these dismembered women in these binders.
They knew what he was talking about.
This is clearly, if someone says it's raining cats and dogs, everyone has this kind of fake joke blindness they do, that like when you talk to someone from the other side, you act like you're an immigrant who's never heard an idiom.
And it's like, this guy is so stupid.
He thinks that when it rains, animals fall from the sky.
Can you believe this more?
Binders full of women.
What does he mean by that?
You know what he means by that.
Everyone knows what he means by that.
So to have Trump be so aggressive.
And if, of course, they want that's the Mitt Romney, Barack Obama way.
Because in the Mitt Romney, Barack Obama way, they have status.
They get to define both sides and they get to have total control of the discussion.
In this context, they don't because he's the wrecking ball.
Yeah.
Yeah, no, I think that's exactly right.
And, you know, the thing that's really noteworthy about what you were saying with the Mitt Romney-Obama debate is that it's not as if they didn't, it's complete NPC behavior.
Like they're not, it's not that they really had an opinion on whether Russia was or wasn't an enemy.
It's not that they were really offended by the comment binders full of women.
If roles were reversed and their guy was saying it, they'd have the opposite opinion.
If Barack Obama said binders full of women and someone tried to- They would hold them up binders with their pussy hats.
Yes, like there.
So it's just taking whatever excuse it is.
It's a very juvenile kind of like high school tactic.
Like we're just going to get in a group and mock the person who's on the out in the out group.
Hashtag I'm in his binder.
Right.
If Obama talked about it, they'd be saying, I want to be in his binder.
Yes.
So, okay, I was going to talk about this later in the podcast, but since you brought this up, this kind of segues into this.
There's been some conspiracy theories that have been floating around the internet quite often with these things when there are really wild conspiracies, like QAnon type stuff.
I think Jorgensen's CNA, CIA.
Yeah, no, she'd be much more effective.
I wish, I wish Jorgensen was CIA.
Oh my God, I would take just like for some of their advice on persuasion techniques or something, please, please.
We can use a little bit.
I am sorry to distract you.
Did you see what happened when she was on Ruben this week?
Oh, yeah, I saw.
No, this is the ending.
Oh, no, I saw part one.
She goes, hey, can I have your vote?
And he goes, no, I'm voting for Trump.
Oh, Jesus.
It's like that side film when George said he was going to say, I love you.
And Jerry's like, how sure are you for the I Love You Return?
Because you really got to be sure.
She goes, that's a pretty, because if you don't get it, that's a pretty, what does he say?
It's a line.
He goes, that's a pretty big something hanging out there.
Matzah ball hanging in the soup.
Yeah, pretty big matzo ball.
Yeah.
Well, what I did see, so I watched part one.
I didn't, I didn't get to that part.
But what I did notice were the comments in the YouTube.
Oh.
And I was looking through.
And I almost, the only reason I looked through is because Michael Heiss mentioned it.
And they, it was like, dude, not like one or two, like all of the comments were her Black Lives Matter tweet.
Go look at all the top comments.
All of them.
They're like, yeah, she said being not racist isn't enough.
We must be anti-racist.
Fuck her.
All of this stuff.
And I got to say, I had like two conflicting emotional feelings about it.
And at first, because I am a libertarian and I root for other libertarians, I was just like, oh, God, this sucks.
And then I felt kind of satisfaction that with this kind of like, like, yes, see, I fucking told you.
Like, this is so, you know, there's something that's, that's really, you know, it's frustrating, but as it comes true, it's like, okay, so as we've discussed before, yeah, you're looking at them, you're seeing all these comments.
First of all, she has more unlikes than likes, which for a Rubin video is like unheard of.
There's 1.6,000 likes, 1.7,000 down votes.
This had 47,000 views.
My interview on Lex Friedman had 200,000.
That's the thing that's popping up next on the right.
I just happened to see that.
Oh my God.
By the way, that interview with Lex was fantastic.
I highly recommend people go check that out.
Thank you.
But I'm reading what you said.
Literally every comment.
Every comment.
Every comment.
And these are comments with hundreds of likes on them.
So it's not as if just one person or two people.
Now, of course, this isn't like a scientific analysis, but it really says something.
And as me and you have had discussed a few times, if you're Joe Jorgensen and you're Spike Cohen and you're running this campaign, it's like, okay, well, you're not, you don't have two governors on your ticket like Gary Johnson and Bill Weld did.
You're not going to be able to get on CNN necessarily as easily.
But what can you get on?
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Some of these shows have more views than some CNN shows.
So she got on, she got on Ben Shapiro's show.
I know she did Glenn Beck's show.
She did Dave Rubin's show.
But this is what's so interesting about the strategy, what I'll call the BLM strategy of going, you know, like trying to target Black Lives Matter supporters when the only big platforms that you're getting on are these kind of not that type environments.
You know, like Dave Rubin represents what a lot of people, I think there's a huge demographic that he kind of encapsulates.
And obviously he's a very, very popular show with, I think, a couple million subscribers on YouTube.
Yeah.
And he 1.38 million.
Yeah.
Okay.
So yeah, okay.
So over a million subscribers.
And he's a guy who's like, look, I was a leftist.
I was like on the young Turks, like a hardcore leftist.
I've left the left because I think they're crazy.
And I think he's kind of in this frame of, I don't know exactly what I am.
I guess I'm kind of libertarian, classical liberal-ish, you know, but he's basically just against the woke left and willing to have reasonable conversations with different types of other people.
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So this group now, which is, I think, in some ways represents Tim Poole also, a guy who was kind of on the left, turned off by the craziness of the left.
And so now there's this cushy group of people who would theoretically be really open to a libertarian message.
Very much.
And you said what is their kryptonite to them, which is, you know, wink, wink, nod, nod, um, with the woke left.
Now, of course, it's her person running social media has said this, but still, I mean, if you can't look at that and learn, if you look at all of these comments and you go, man, you lost any chance of convincing these people with those tweets, you better show me what you gained from those tweets because it's, I mean, I'm not seeing anything that was as good as that.
Okay, anyway.
So, to the where I was going before, the conspiratorial stuff that's going on.
Now, oftentimes, like with Pizzagate, right?
Where there's a conspiracy theory that floats around.
Some people have some wild views on it.
Sometimes it, you know, it ends up not really coming out that that's exactly right.
But then sometimes it comes out that you're like, oh, you know, there was some truth to that.
There was some truth to this.
Even though maybe not every claim was true, we've learned that there's something to it.
If we point out the unavoidable truth that there are some pages redacted from the 9-11 report, we're conspiracy theorists and truthers.
You can't reconcile those two things.
Well, that's right.
And if you had somebody who, you know, when like 9-11 truth was really big and flaring, and you had someone who was like, okay, well, this was a controlled demolition and there was thermite in the blah, blah, blah.
And Dick Cheney, you know, did it himself and all you could point to them and be like, well, all these wild claims were made, you know, and they haven't been substantiated.
However, if you were to, on September 12th, 2001, if I had told you that as it turns out, the high-level Saudi officials were basically involved in 9-11, knew about it, and that the government is still to this day propping up the Saudi regime and that we were funneling weapons and money into al-Qaeda's hands and all of this stuff.
This would be a huge conspiracy.
And so maybe the most wild claims weren't exactly accurate, but there's some pretty wild shit in there.
So one of the claims that was being made on the internet when Donald Trump was at Walter Reed was that Donald Trump was faking COVID to get to a secure location because mass arrests were about to be made.
Wow.
Like the Russia gate stuff.
Now, this is all silly.
Donald Trump is out of Walter Reed.
No arrests were made.
However, however, Donald Trump's Department of Justice has been declassifying a bunch of people.
Yes, that is true.
In regard to the origins of the Russia investigation.
And although, now, this is something I've covered extensively over the last few years because I find the story fascinating.
It's a story that has a few different components.
Number one, it has the entire corporate press lying through their teeth, claiming that they have the biggest story in American history, which is that the sitting president is compromised by a hostile foreign power.
But the actual story is an attempted deep state coup against at first a candidate for president.
Well, that's not a coup, but first trying to take him down and then an attempted coup against the sitting president of the United States.
What was just declassified is a huge story that no one in the corporate press wants to talk about.
But holy shit, this is really big.
They declassified the former head of the CIA, John Brennan's notes.
By the way, his Twitter handle is John O'Brennan.
If you go to johnobrennan.com, it goes to a Trump site because someone bought it.
I guess someone doesn't have the central intelligence that he thinks he does.
That is phenomenal.
But so what was what was released were his notes.
And in his notes, he says that he informed President Barack Obama of Hillary Clinton's intention to create the Russia hoax.
That Hillary Clinton, that Hillary Clinton was going to use this narrative that Donald Trump is in bed with Vladimir Putin to distract from her email scandal.
And this is John Brennan fully aware of it, letting Barack Obama know, hey, dude, this is what they're doing.
Just so you know, Mr. President, this is what's going on.
So John Brennan, by the way, who has been an NBC fucking whatever they call him, you know, intelligence analyst for has been talking about, he was saying up to a couple weeks before the Mueller investigation that he expected Donald Trump to be indicted and this, that, and the other.
He knew from the very beginning that this was bullshit.
And in addition to that, there's also been some documents declassified that indicate at least maybe this isn't known for sure, but that our intelligence community thought that Putin was aware of all of this and that he knew that they were starting this whole thing.
And so basically that adds a whole nother element to it where Putin was basically like, oh, yeah, they're doing this.
This is fucking hilarious.
Like, absolutely.
Let's, because if you'd think that Putin's goal is to undermine a U.S. election, what could be better than everyone believing that he undermined the U.S. election?
Yeah, literally.
So this is a huge scandal and the corporate press just isn't even touching it.
Even NBC, they've got this guy working for them.
You'd think they would at least be like, let's ask him about this.
I mean, hey, if you, isn't that one of the benefits of the, you know, of having former head of the CIA?
Oh, there's a story involving you here.
Let's let's ask you what what happened here?
Nope, nothing.
Wow.
I did not know any of this.
Yeah, it's a it's pretty it's pretty phenomenal.
Hold on, I have a quote here that I had pulled up.
I can't find it.
All right.
Anyway, yeah, so I did think that was pretty interesting.
And then Donald Trump tweeted.
Now, I don't know if this is if this is true or not, but Donald Trump tweeted that he has declassified everything involving the origins of the Russia investigation.
So perhaps this is an effort to get some of it out before the campaign to help him in his reelection bid.
But it does kind of make you wonder why the hell Donald Trump didn't do this two years ago.
Yeah, or also why the Republicans aren't champing at the bid to prosecute.
Yeah, it's really, it's pretty unbelievable.
I mean, Donald Trump has said things in recent campaign speeches.
He said something alluding to this at the debate where he's like, we got them all.
We caught them all.
We got them red-handed.
You're like, okay.
And yeah, he's on NBC.
We all got him.
Just turn on the channel.
So it is pretty weird that you're kind of like, well, all right.
I mean, so why aren't we going?
Because there's no question they do have a lot of people on crimes.
And I don't know if you saw, but when Comey was testifying, he was virtually testifying.
But it's sworn, you know, he's sworn in the same way.
And it was really quite something to watch where they'd ask him these questions.
I mean, the amount of times he was like, well, I don't recall.
I don't recall that happening.
It's like, wow, you seem to really not remember a lot about investigating the president of the United States.
I feel like that would stick out.
Yeah.
I feel like you'd remember that.
That'd be like a pretty big deal.
Like, it's not, you know, it's not like you're asking about some random, you know, like drug bust or something like that.
Like, this was a really big case, but yeah, he doesn't seem to remember who lied to the FISA courts, or he doesn't remember this.
You know, so anyway, it's there.
There certainly is a conspiracy here.
I'd imagine that Donald Trump would want to get some of this stuff out before the reelection, but we'll see.
We'll see.
I really, really, really hope that the P-tape is real and that we get to see it.
Like, that would be like the best for me.
Like, that's, I don't want, like, yeah, like, I'd like them to go to jail.
I'm not saying I'm going to hope for that because I think the chance of that happening is like close to impossible, you know, because of how it works.
But it's not impossible that there's a P-tape.
So, like, let's have that tape.
Yeah.
Listen, it would be pretty funny if that was the only accurate thing in the Steele dossier.
It's like, he's like, no, I wasn't in bed with Russia, but did I piss on some Russian hookers?
I mean, I don't know.
You're in Moscow.
What are you going to do?
Not because I'm not going to be able to do that.
Not piss on the hookers.
Come on.
And, you know, it's pretty funny.
Like, just that's really almost something where the state of America, the culture of America, has changed.
Is that you could just see so many times throughout American history, if someone were to say, suggest that, you'd be like, the president of the United States would not piss on hookers.
But when it's Trump, you go, you go, well, the candidate.
Yeah.
All right.
So Trump getting COVID was a pretty fascinating story.
Pretty interesting.
I mean, you know, it seems just crazy that he's been out there this whole time being Trump and just got it a few weeks before the election.
But, you know, viruses are, you know, they're viruses.
So it can happen.
It was interesting for a lot of reasons.
Number one, you know, how is this going to affect the election?
Certainly, a lot of Trump's appeal is a pure monkey brain thing.
And him being sick does not help that.
Him being in the hospital does not help that.
But one of the things that was also very interesting is that it provoked a response from the corporate press that was really something.
I mean, people could not help themselves from showing all over their face how much they were rooting for him to get very, very sick or die and how much they went with the narrative that he deserves this.
That he's, you know, it's, well, this is his own fault.
He didn't wear the mask and the mask could have saved him.
Just like everyone who got AIDS, it's their fault.
They deserve it.
Right.
Well, it's quite, it's really like astounding to think that in a country where you're saying that this is the worst thing ever, and there have been, you know, a lot of people who have died from it and a lot of people, a lot more people who have gotten it.
The idea that you're now accepting the premise that it's your fault if you get it and weren't 100% careful is really quite quite a weird stance to have.
But now we see that Trump's out of the hospital, seems to be doing okay.
The media was furious about this.
And, you know, it was really, and I do think this was brilliant.
This, this is Donald Trump at his most politically savvy, which for any critic, for anything you could say about Donald Trump, and he is not a guy who understands any policy.
I mean, there's not one single policy that you listen to Donald Trump talk about and you get the feeling that he's read a book on the subject.
There's not one.
There's literally not one.
Read a book.
Educate yourself.
But there really isn't one policy that you could, that you would go.
Donald Trump has a deep understanding of this issue.
There isn't a single one.
But his instincts are for politics are brilliant.
He's got brilliant instincts.
Here was Donald Trump.
And you've talked about this a lot.
Before you go on, this reminds me of my favorite joke of yours, which is when you talk about Trump on the campaign trail and how he's different than a politician.
And how you know he's different is to go on for 10 minutes about China and then he says, what else?
Talk about emotion.
I'm not embarrassed.
You just, but that really was Trump.
It's every politician is so scripted.
And Donald Trump just goes up with this like stream of conscious like is just like, ah, like cracks his knuckles.
And then there's something about his supreme self-confidence.
Like he just believes he will figure this out.
But he does have a real knack and like a genius streak for how to troll and how to how to get a reaction from people where he will come out on top.
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Did you see what he said after he came out of the hospital?
He tweeted Pelosi.
Is this the one you're talking about?
No, this was now that was hilarious.
Okay.
But we'll get to that in a second.
But the one that I thought was brilliant, not hilarious, but brilliant was when he said, and the exact quote, hold on, let me pull it up so I don't, I literally want to have the exact quote of what he said.
Make sure you yell when he's using exclamation points.
I don't think this one was exclamation points, but I just thought it was a very, very, okay, so he said, and I quote, don't be afraid of COVID.
Don't let it dominate your life.
Yeah.
This was genius because he told you, don't let fear dominate your life.
And he knew the media would respond that this is reckless.
This is insane.
How can he say that?
Oh, nice for you to say that.
And then you zoom back and you go, the man said, don't let fear dominate your life.
And you're taking the opposition.
You're taking the position of make sure fear dominates your life.
What a like crazy series of events.
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I just retweeted a headline.
This was yesterday from Business Insider, March 5th.
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We forget how malevolent these people are.
Business Insider headline, March 5th.
As the coronavirus spreads, one study predicts that even the best case scenario, even the best case scenario is 15 million dead and 2.4 trillion hit to global GDP.
As of this current count, it is 1 million dead worldwide.
No laughing matter.
But if the best case scenario is 15 and what we have now, which I don't think is even close to best case, it's probably average, is one, you are how many orders of magnitude away?
You're a horrible, horrible people.
Yes.
And you know what?
You could, it would be perhaps forgivable if you acknowledged how wrong you are.
What we got wrong about COVID.
There's the headline.
And why?
Then not only do you not acknowledge how wrong you are, but you continue to attack anybody who points out how wrong you are or suggests taking another course of action.
This has been one of the things that's really eye-opening.
And I think for a lot of people through the whole COVID lockdown insanity is that, okay, so I remember, you know, around the time, so like Sweden, who never locked down, never had mask mandates, never had any type of social distancing mandates.
I mean, the government, they put some limitations, I think, on like huge events.
Like they weren't, the government wasn't allowing stadiums to be filled up.
But aside from that, basically nothing.
The government basically stayed out of it.
And at first, there weren't that many deaths.
And then they started having some deaths from COVID.
And when they got to around like 3, 4,000 deaths, the predictions were, if they don't lock down, they're going to be at 100,000 deaths.
This is going to be a nightmare.
There's going to be dead bodies all over the place in Sweden.
Sweden never locked down.
They right now have less than 6,000 deaths in a country of 10 million people.
I think, by the way, on a recent podcast, I said Sweden had 20 million people.
I was wrong about that.
It's a country.
They got about 10 million people.
They've got about 6,000 deaths.
Their death rate is lower than America.
It's lower than England.
It's lower than Spain.
It's, you know, it's higher than some other countries, but like it's, it's in the range.
And they have like no new cases, which seems to indicate some type of herd immunity.
They have very, very low new cases.
So, and now all the World Health Organization, all these other, they're like, hey, the Sweden strategy worked.
And it worked without destroying the country.
Now, if you're going to justify lockdowns, the amount of carnage that comes from them, Sweden should be much, much worse, not slightly worse off than us or slightly better off.
They should be, yes, like much, much, much worse off than us.
And they're not.
So okay.
But at least admit, hey, it looks like this lockdown strategy was wrong and unnecessary.
I wish you Bernie people would shout for five minutes about how we should be more like Sweden.
Turns out they were on to something.
You know what?
Sweden's been pretty good at destroying themselves in the past.
So maybe this is like a watch.
Yeah, but I never, I don't know if the Bernie people ever thought it would be their free markets that would be what separated Sweden from anywhere else.
It's the freest country in the world.
Not even Corona.
Here's another example that I bring up all the time.
Every single person who told us earlier in the year that if we don't go into Syria tomorrow, there's going to be another Holocaust, that there's going to be the Kurdish genocide, that this isn't a war.
They really want to exterminate this entire population.
Every single person who said, if we don't use, who tried to use the shame of past genocides to get us that boots on the ground overseas, everyone who did that, none of them had had consequences for this.
The Kurds are not extinct.
There's not, you know, gas chambers and so on and so forth.
There's not concentration camps.
They're not being wiped off the face of the earth.
We were lied to and shamed and manipulated.
And thank God Trump said, yeah, we're not doing this.
And thank God he hadn't read a book where he's just like.
That's right.
If he read a book and he'd look at it more nuanced, then he's more like, no, we're not doing this.
Yeah, no, no, you're right.
He could have read the wrong book.
Could have read Bill Crystal's book.
I mean, like, there's, you know, it's, it's possible that that could have been worse.
Now, he did back down from pulling the last few troops out of there, but you're right.
He, Donald Trump, to his credit, and this is the biggest thing to his credit that he has, is that he has not gotten us into a new, stupid, deadly war.
And Bush and Obama got us into a bunch.
And he has really had opportunity to, and had opportunity where a lot of forces around him were really pushing him into war, particularly not North Korea so much, because I don't think that was ever really on the table.
There's a reason why Bush and Obama didn't get us into a war with North Korea.
We don't really go to war with nuclear-armed countries.
That's the fucking truth.
You know, like say whatever you want to.
If you're going to go take out that country, they've got nukes.
You might be looking at a new country.
And they've got China behind them.
So we don't really want to.
Yeah, exactly.
But in Venezuela and in Iran, there were a lot of people who were pushing Donald Trump to actually go to war.
And he flirted with both of them, but ultimately pulled back from them.
So he should get credit for that.
He should also be blamed for continuing the war in Yemen because that's just the worst thing in the world.
But that is, that is, all of that is important.
Now, the other thing that's really, and it goes right to the point of what we've been talking about with the stuff with Mitt Romney, Barack Obama, if roles were reversed, they would just take the opposite position.
Donald Trump getting COVID and saying it's kind of his fault because he wasn't wearing a mask.
Listen, we've seen images of Andrew Cuomo without a mask on in the street.
We've seen Chris Cuomo out while he was COVID positive.
We've seen Nancy Pelosi out without a mask.
And if any one of them were to get COVID and you started saying, well, they kind of deserved it, the corporate press would blast you as a, as a just, you know, deplorable person for saying this.
So it's obviously just that they don't like Donald Trump and this is the excuse.
And then that kind of segues into the tweet that you were talking about that Donald Trump blasted.
I couldn't believe it.
He goes, hey, Nancy, you should wear a mask in your beauty salon.
Beauty was in quotes.
Putting beauty in quotes.
Oh, my God.
Putting beauty in quotes.
Jesus Christ.
I'm going to defend Joe Biden a little bit because I think it's easy to attack him and not enough people defend him on the good qualities he does have.
There was something that really did get to me, and I'm going to sound like a full-blown statist and I don't care.
When he during the debate told Trump, like, man, can you shut the hell up?
He caught himself.
He's like, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Like, the guy obviously does have a lot of respect for like the office of the presidency.
And like in a kind of old-fashioned like USA patriotism way, which I kind of like because I cut my teeth on Rand.
So when you saw that, you could at least have some Scheiden Freuda that it really hurts him on a physical level that this man who's dedicated his entire career to being a senator decades.
I mean, he's elected at age, whatever, 30 in 1972, that he sees this person in the Oval Office farting behind the same desk Obama sat behind, and he really doesn't know how to wrap his head around it.
Yeah, you know, they said when I remember Rothbard wrote about this, but they said that McCarthy, when he got censured in the Senate, it just broke him.
Like it just broke him as a person.
He had so much respect for the Senate.
Some of these people like really believe in the like nobility or the dignity of the office and things like this.
And it really does drive them crazy to see somebody like that.
I hate cynicism.
I think it's the enemy.
I think it's very insidious.
So I will always have like a soft spot in my heart for people who really see the like when I had Miss America Kirsten Hagelin on my show.
Like it's Miss America.
Like as an immigrant, this is like, oh my God, you're like a superhero.
Like it's not that big a deal.
On the other hand, it really is a big deal.
So yeah, like we know presidents are genocidal warmongers.
We get it.
But there is some sense of history to that seat.
There is some something there that maybe this is my Hamiltonianism coming out.
But there's a lot of good things that have come out of that seat to some extent.
At the very least, a sense of inspiration and a sense of like, all right, like aspiration.
So it was just funny to see Biden like beside himself and not knowing what to do.
It's like a Miss America slaps you in the face.
It's like, what do I do?
It's Miss America.
Well, there's something about that that's, you know, so I'm sorry.
I just gotta get this right on the law.
Have you watched the show The Boys?
No.
It's a show about superheroes, but they're all corporate superheroes.
So in public, they're really great, but in private, they're like rapists and like killing criminals and getting off on it.
And like Highlander is like the Aryan Superman.
And meanwhile, he's like just a homicidal sociopath.
So that's what it's like.
It's like learning like Highlander, like Superman is really like a rapist.
It's just like, I don't know what to do with this information.
You're Superman.
Right.
Right.
But it is interesting to still have like to find, because all of us have like, even anarchists like ourselves have a little vestige of like even what you just expressed as like a almost sympathy for Joe Biden, having this respect for the office.
And I'll say, you know, like Rothbard, again, later in his life, he wrote this great piece called Nations by Consent.
And he was talking about nationalism and the idea of nations and how most, you know, the modern concept of nation is intertwined with the nation state, but that it doesn't need to be that way.
And there is this kind of, like, you can love your country and be an anarchist.
I can love like great things about America, great things about the people here, the traditions, the customs, the art, the, you know, like all types of different things that have nothing to do with the government.
But even within the government, I will say where I had my, like, the whatever little strand of statist thought or something was with this thing where they, where the deep state tried to overthrow Donald Trump.
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And there was still some part of me that's like, that is the duly elected president of the United States.
You do not, excuse me, CIA officer.
Excuse me.
Yeah, you say, sir, yes, sir, when he gives you a command and you do as you're told.
So like that, and it is a weird position for an anarchist to feel that way, but I still do have some little bit of feeling of like, hey, you do not, like, I'm sorry.
You do not have the right to do that.
That is the president.
You can't, you know, so which, you know, it is some in conflict with anarchy.
Like this also happened, like Pollya, Camille Pollya, who's greatest of all time, she always talks about how much she loves the Catholic Church and its sense of reverence.
And it's, it totally got to me.
I went to my friend's wedding a couple of years ago, and it was a Catholic ceremony.
He's kind of very traditionalist Catholic.
And when you heard the speech, you know, and the ceremony and realizing, you know, some random guy in the countryside of England, 800 years ago was hearing these exact words in that little church in that little town.
And it's resonating through millennia.
And it's the same kind of invocation.
When you kind of get sucked into that, it's just like, this is something that does.
It's not that that part's not the monkey part of the brain.
It's some other part of the brain where it just is the sense of reverence and kind of holiness.
And the state leverages this very, very well.
And I don't know if, yeah, it's like consciously we realize we're getting taken in.
But on another level, it's just like, I don't know that I hate that I'm getting taken in because there is something history.
There's just a sense of history and profundity to it.
Yeah, it's what kind of binds us together.
And I've had that thought at church at temple before too, even as somebody who's not particularly religious.
Like I, you know, I'm more than I used to be, although I wouldn't describe myself as religious.
But there's something about hearing that.
I mean, I was at my sis, my nephew, my sister's son's like baby naming ceremony.
It was the last time I was at a temple.
And you hear just like a group of people in this temple and they're like singing these songs and you're like, dude, this is like what my people have been singing for, you know, like thousands of years.
And there's something about that that kind of like binds you to everyone else.
There's there's something there that's hard to not get sucked into a little bit, whether or not you believe in the literal word of the Bible or anything like that.
There's there's a different thing to it.
By the way, have you ever had, have you ever interviewed Camilla Paglia?
Oh, I wish.
No, I've interviewed her writing.
I interviewed her in writing.
Oh, you did.
And she was really impressed with my questions.
She's my number one get, but I just emailed her recently.
And the guy who runs her email says she doesn't do podcasts.
She very rarely does stuff.
And he basically said he's not going to get my email to her either.
So it kind of hurts.
So one of the things why I owe so much to her is because she always described herself as a Warholi and how much she loved Warhol, Warhol, Warhol.
And I read her when I was in high school.
And recently I got some things from Candy Darling's estate.
Candy Darling was one of Warhol's people.
And Polly is very big on the high art culture and low culture and conflating the two and saying there's no difference between, let's suppose, how people thought of the Greek gods and how we look at celebrities nowadays.
Because the Greek gods weren't regarded as perfect.
They were heavily flawed.
This one's screwing this one.
Now this one's screwing that one.
It's the same kind of philosophy.
So there was something called a relinquary, I think it was called, where in the Middle Ages, they would have pieces of like Adam or pieces of Jesus' foreskin or Mary's milk was on display or this bone from this saint.
And you'd have a shrine to it and people would come from far and wide to look at it.
And I emailed her because I had a piece of Candy Darling's hair from the estate.
I said, oh, get the relinquery ready.
And she never replied.
And I'm like, okay.
So the guy didn't get it to her.
But that was kind of like, oh, damn it.
If she saw this, I think she'd be really, really excited by it.
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I would just love to watch a Your Welcome episode.
Oh, it would be so.
That would be incredible.
I think I would literally start by like kissing her feet because it'll be such a funny visual.
And if you watch, she'd be cool with that too.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I could do an Camille Polyofresh.
I'm not going to do it.
But if you watch her all back in the day appearances, I'm sitting there taking notes because that woman knows how to talk.
And she has what I aspire to have, which is to be the kind of person where you can sit and listen to them talk about literally anything.
And if they're talking and they're full of crap, you don't care.
You're like, keep talking.
This is complete bullshit.
I don't care.
Keep talking.
Like, she loves Kyle Harris.
And it's like, okay, cool, cool.
Does she really?
Yeah, and I have no, like, there's no part of me that like respects her less.
I'm like, okay, that's cool.
Cool.
Oh, yeah.
No, I don't respect her less, but I'm a little unhappy about that.
But hey, what are you going to do?
No, she was incredible.
All of her like TV appearances that are out there.
She talks like a mile a minute.
She's got like almost like a Ben Shapiro style of talking, which is just like he was going and going and go, but it's phenomenal.
Okay, so you brought up Kamala Harris.
Let's transition to that tonight.
After we finish recording, so this might be, this might have already happened by the time some of you people are listening.
We're just going to transition to Kamala Harris.
Done.
Okay, go ahead.
So there is a vice presidential debate between Mike Pence and Kamal Harris.
Kamala Harris.
Do you think it's pig versus pence?
There you go.
In the great pig pence battle.
What do you think?
Now that we don't know what's going to happen.
Pig Pence versus Pig Pence.
Am I right?
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So do you think now that it's kind of in doubt whether or not there'll be any more presidential debates, does this debate take on more importance or just because it's such a crazy year, does it take on more importance?
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Um, the vice presidential debate never really matters.
Like they try to make it hype it up.
Like, I didn't want you and I are obviously political junkies.
I didn't watch the 2016 vice presidential.
I didn't watch the 2012 vice presidential debate.
Um, 2008, I did watch because there was a big question about what Sarah Palin would be like.
And for people who forget, Joe Biden handled her very, very well.
He was firm, but he wasn't bullying.
You know, it must have been a weird situation for him.
Uh, how do you deal with this kind of woman who's new on the scene?
Um, I am going to watch, I'm going to live stream it because people seem to enjoy that.
I think she is really bad.
I can't think of anyone.
If we look at the 26, excuse me, 2020 debate season, I don't think there's anyone who's done worse at the debates other than Biden than her.
Like, no one else did really, really bad.
She did worse.
She did worse than Biden.
No, but I'm saying, who other than her and Biden, I don't think anyone had a bad debate performance in the point that it really screwed up their campaign.
Who?
Bloomberg.
Oh, yeah, yeah, you're right.
Oh, no.
But that wasn't even really him.
That was Elizabeth Warren came shopping for blood and she fucking delivered.
Well, it took me almost a second because I didn't even remember.
We only had like one or two appearances.
Credit to Warren.
But listen, there were only two candidates, Michael Bloomberg and Kamala Harris, Kamala Harris, who straight up lost their candidacy at the debates.
Yes.
Like what did so bad that it was like there is no option of you winning anymore.
And here's something else that is unacceptable and inexcusable.
Okay.
After you get your ass handed to you by Tulsi, who roasted that pig because Hawaiians know how to roast a pig, when you go afterward, your people need to be doing their Googling or getting those files.
So when Anderson Cooper's like, what are you about those criticisms?
Anderson, she said some things in the stage.
Here are the facts.
And we're emailing them to your producers and we're putting out right now.
Fact.
Bubba, I just go through all her point by point and defend yourself.
I don't understand her position.
I'm sure she has some spurious reason.
If there is some DNA test that can exonerate someone on death row, what is it?
How is it advantageous to you to keep this person in jail?
Like, I don't understand even a Machiavellian sociopath reason.
It just seems like stupidity all around.
There's got to be some excuse.
I don't even have that from her.
All she said is I'm a top-tier candidate.
And then she completely imploded.
So I think Mike Pence is no dummy.
I think he's going to come prepped.
I don't think Trump, by all accounts, supposedly, he didn't really do much rehearsal for the debate.
He, you know, understandably so in many for amazing reasons.
I think Mike Pence is going to come strapped.
But I do think in many ways, it's probably going to be a nothing because we don't even remember Tim Kaine existing or that it was Paul Ryan.
Yeah, I do think the thing that's different about watch, Mike Pence literally kills her to go.
It really mattered.
That was very relevant to the campaign.
No, I think there is something different this year because a few factors.
Number one, it's the craziest year in our lifetime.
So this is a hyper polarized situation and everybody's focused on it.
Number two, it is in doubt that there'll be another debate.
We don't know.
I don't think it is in doubt.
Honestly.
Well, you think it will happen or won't?
Yes, I think it's absolutely going to happen.
I don't think there's literally any chance it's not going to happen.
I think the second one, I think the next one is not going to happen is my guess.
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And the third one will.
That would be.
Okay.
I'm sorry.
I thought you meant there's a possibility there'd be no more.
Yes, it's possible to cancel one.
I agree with you.
It looks like the next one probably won't happen because technically, I don't know if Trump's, I think he's supposed to for two weeks not rearranging.
No, no, you're right.
I misunderstood what you were saying.
Okay.
Yeah, because it's supposed to be in eight days from today, the 15th, my mom's birthday.
Right.
Right.
And so it's an easy reason to not for Biden to not.
So the third one will probably happen, but it's not exactly guaranteed, which is unlike any other year where it would even be in question.
Sure.
So on top of that, you also have the oldest two candidates running for president in this for one second.
How despite all the talk about we have to fight white supremacy, like this year, we have the two, like instead of getting a fat, like an old white, crazy guy, we have an older, crazier, whiter guy for the Democrats.
Like there is no, these two candidates belong in the 1840s.
Or no, you have this plutocrat and then you have this lifelong politician.
These are like symbols of establishment corporate power.
Yeah, well, and there's something, and this is a thing that I've been on, like a big kick I've been on for a while now, but it's perfect.
It's a perfect demonstration of the woke religion because it really is.
So I look at this just like I basically just use the Rothbardian analysis of the progressive era and Rothbard's analysis of the progressive era was essentially that progressivism was a right-wing takeover of a left-wing movement.
So basically that there were these left-wing socialist types who wanted a managed economy because it was so unfair.
There were the robber barons and there was all this wealth inequality and blah, blah, blah.
And that then the robber barons basically took over the movement and they were like, oh yeah, absolutely.
A managed economy could, that's a great idea, but we're going to manage the economy.
And they became the managers.
And I look at wokeism as almost the same thing.
It's a corporate takeover of this left-wing cause.
So this started, I think, somewhat organically in academia.
You know, you have things like critical race theory or things like this.
And then you have J. Morgan Chase jumping on board with it.
Like, oh, yes, we're very happy to send all of our white execs to diversity training.
No problem.
So we cool now, leftists.
Now are we cool?
And it's basically buying off what you see as your biggest political threat, which if you're a big bank, it's smart.
If you're a billionaire, it's smart to think of the left as being your biggest political threat, as much as me and you might want anarchists to be there.
But, you know, there's not really that many private property anarchists in the world.
And if you look throughout the, say, 20th century, you're not going to see a lot of examples of like libertarians taking over and dismantling the managerial state.
But you have seen some examples of leftists dragging you through the streets and literally taking all your shit.
And this is why all those people who love wokeism hated Bernie Sanders.
This guy they saw as like a threat.
Like if you're a big corporation and someone's all about like intersectionality, you're like, yeah, okay, we could, we could have some sensitivity training.
Yeah, like, sure, no problem.
But if someone's like, I'm against profits, you're like, profits are kind of our jam.
Yeah, yeah, like, oh, that's not, that's not really what we're not trying to talk about economic populism.
Then people aren't going to be too happy with J.P. Morgan Chase.
So they're all about this.
But of course, it's always this thing where it's symbolic.
You're not really giving over any wealth.
You're not really giving over any power.
And so, of course, someone like Joe Biden is like, I'm going to pick a black woman as vice president, which just leads to the question, but why not as president?
Like, why, why shouldn't you just step down?
Yeah.
Which we had not that long ago.
What?
Black president, not black president.
Well, we had a black president and last time they had a female nominee.
So why, if this is so important and such a value, why?
But of course, it's because it's all tokenism.
It's not none of it.
It's simply a gesture, you know, with no real, nothing to back it up.
So Kamala Harris is now there like, well, look, we've got this.
And she can debate Mike Pence.
But I do think the age of the candidate.
And I was going to say one more thing.
I think it's very, very interesting.
Something that they will talk about in other contexts, but not in corporate context, because it gets messy when you're applying to real life, is people will say very fairly that black and African-American are not synonyms.
And the African-American experience is not the same as the Caribbean-American experience.
It's not the same with experience of people who are native to Africa or someone who's black and in Europe.
These are very, even in America, northern blacks versus southern blacks.
These are very, very different experiences.
So Kamala Harris is the daughter of a Jamaican.
Barack Obama is the son of an African.
They're not part of the and what's his name?
Don Lemon, you know, gotten to with April Ryan on Cienna delongo.
He's like, look, her family never had to deal with slavery.
They didn't have to deal with Jim Crow.
And you can look at this clip on YouTube.
April Ryan goes, Well, what about Ted Cruz?
And Don Lemon goes, We're not talking about Ted Cruz.
I like how in her mind, Ted Cruz claimed to have come from slaves.
He's like, We're talking about Kamala Harris.
She's not African-American.
So, in other contexts in black studies, and they're like, There's an enormous interest in the fact that these experiences are different, that there's some similarities.
But when it comes to this, we got a black person that can't check Don lets everyone go home.
Yeah.
Well, it was always to me, it was really fascinating with Obama and not just the fact that his father was Kenyan, but the fact that his mother was some white lady from Kansas.
And you're kind of like, well, how does it, when we're just saying first black president, does not come into, by the way, his father wasn't present in his life.
Yeah, people, yeah.
Yes, I know I understand he's got, you know, yes, yes.
Now, I understand, by the way, that's a different experience, I'm sure, growing up with a white mother and having black skin or whatever, you know.
But to just say the first black president, like he is half white and was raised by white people seems raised in this country.
If anything, he was in Indonesia.
He grew up in Indonesia.
I thought it was Saudi Arabia.
No, it's exactly.
Am I remembering that?
But the point is, and I say this as an immigrant, someone who cuts their teeth overseas, he's in a much better position to talk about being our first immigrant president, about what it's like leaving America.
You're raised overseas.
You come back here.
You are going to have a different perspective.
You're going to have seen things that people in America just take for granted.
And there's a lot that he could have said on that.
But it's just like, no, I'm a black dude.
It's like, you're not rerun.
Yeah.
No, it's funny that a lot of the more like kind of mindless establishment progressives almost run off of this one drop rule.
Right.
And they just go like, oh, one drop, you're that.
You're that thing now.
And it's like, hmm, this is kind of mirrors what the people you supposedly hate, you know, how they saw things.
But I do think, as I was saying, the age of the candidates puts a little bit more importance on the vice presidential debate, especially when there's question marks about Joe Biden's functioning.
And here's something else.
And Trump had COVID.
That my friend pointed out.
She pointed out, she goes, because Kamala Harris, she was vanished.
You haven't seen her for weeks.
And I thought that was very interesting.
And my friend pointed out, yeah, because you can't have her out hustling Biden.
So if Biden's day is done at 9 a.m. or at 6, you can't have the VP everywhere because there it looks like she's campaigning for president and it points out how weak she is.
I'm like, that is a very, very smart observation.
That's a very good point, a very good point that I never really thought about.
But it has been, that has been one of the really fascinating aspects to the Biden candidacy is that, you know, there are these kind of questions about Joe Biden's mental capacity and his, you know, like how he's had these elder moments, many of them.
And it's not exactly clear how much of him is really there.
Now, he certainly did show like for the debate, he can get it together enough to not implode through a debate.
Although I'll say everywhere you see Joe Biden, whether he's giving a speech or having one of these, you know, pre-rehearsed town hall things where there's no tough questions asked.
And he seems slow and he seems not as good as Joe Biden of a decade ago.
That was.
You know, here's the other thing.
People, I had a poll on my Twitter.
I said, who do you think contributed more as a VP, Pence or Biden?
And I wouldn't vote for Pence.
And I thought it was clearly Biden because you know, when Obamacare was trying to be put through and they could lose a single vote, he was working those phones to all of his senator buddies and being like, we've got to make this happen.
This is once in a lifetime.
What is it going to take?
And you know, he did that behind the scenes.
Obama didn't have those connections.
He was in the Senate for two years and he was campaigned for president already.
Yeah, yeah, no, I agree.
Although, truthfully, I don't think either of them were particularly consequential vice presidents.
But I'm saying nothing like nothing like Dick Cheney or something.
Not even a question.
Not even a question.
But that's one example where Biden doesn't get the credit he deserves.
No, I think you're probably right about that.
Having somebody who was not just a member of the Senate, but a lifelong senator was something that I'm sure was advantageous in trying to get legislation through, particularly in the first year where they got some really, really important legislation through.
Awful, but important.
And so anyway, so, but with the questions, so one of the things with this whole campaign, and actually, one of the things that just I think, you know, is up there, the things that drives me crazy about this year that I find to be one of just the truly, you know, most horrible things about 2020 is that we have demonized so many of the great things that people do.
And while we're doing that, kind of given excuses, if not downright praised things that people should be ashamed of, or at least that are not positive qualities.
So Joe Biden has been able to basically hang out in his basement and cast himself as the responsible one.
Oh, why am I not answering questions and facing the voters?
Because I'm being so responsible about COVID.
And so now it's kind of like almost got this excuse.
And now when Trump gets COVID, that plays into his, oh, yeah, see, I was being the responsible one.
And now we're demonizing Trump for essentially having courage.
Oh, like, did you go out there and risk something that might be bad for your health?
See, that's the worst thing you could do.
It's really remarkable in the year 2020 that, I mean, last year, if you had said some of this stuff, people would think it was insane.
Even like Democrats would think it was insane to demonize wanting to run a small business or wanting to go to work or wanting to see friends and family and being willing to take a risk in order to do that.
And the idea that being completely isolated would be noble.
The idea that being paranoid would be noble.
And this is.
They talk about capitalism atomizes all of us, right?
That capitalism breaks down barrier bonds between humans and makes everyone think of themselves as an isolated individual.
And that leads to psychological problems because we don't have the things like you do under socialism working together.
And now it's like, okay, everyone is under solitary confinement.
Well, good.
That's what we need.
Yeah, that's right.
That's right.
And the idea that, you know, to not even think about, I mean, and everybody, just about everybody knows some people like this.
I know a couple people.
And for anybody who maybe skewed a little bit more toward the paranoid kind of, you know, side of things normally, this has been just a disaster.
I mean, I know a few people who literally wouldn't leave their apartment for months, like months, would not leave their apartment.
And it's really like, this has been horrible for them this year.
Absolutely horrible.
And we, you know, again, we're not going to really understand the complete costs, the human cost of this for a while.
Yeah, you're right.
You know, Hans Hermann Hoppe, the great Hoppe.
Have you ever had him on your show?
I have many times, but it's just me doing Hoppe.
And then, you know, telling myself what a great question that was.
Vis-a-vis.
Okay, yes, you got Hoppe.
Anyway, so he said, He said once, and I thought this was a really interesting point, was that he said, and you would not expect this, that Marx, Marx's class analysis was basically spot on if you applied it to the state and the state apparatus.
And by the state apparatus, he means, you know, like the state intellectual.
So what would be the corporate press, academia, the secret services, the whole cathedral.
And the deep state, yeah.
Yes.
Yeah.
No, he wouldn't use the term cathedral, but that's basically what he's referring to.
But he basically said, if you look at them as the bourgeois and basically the rest of us as the proletariat, then Marx's class analysis is basically 95% accurate.
That basically all of their wealth is taken from the rest of us.
And that all of the, so all of these critiques and truth that means we're going to have a revolution and kill those effers, huh?
Yeah, well, I don't know if he's saying his predictions of the future were accurate or not, but that would that would be nice.
And they're going to sell us the rope.
Sweet.
They'll sell us the knives.
But so, but there is something it's funny because, as you mentioned, I mean, this is what I was thinking about when they'll say that capitalism atomizes and isolates the individuals.
It's like, I don't know.
I see very little evidence of that, but man, there is a ton of evidence that state interference has this exact explicitly.
Oh, that's their goal.
Someone on my Twitter pointed out that like you don't quarantine healthy people, you quarantine sick people.
Yeah.
So I think the fact that de Blasio is barking to ramp it up again here in New York, and there's certain zip codes where he's like, we're going to shut down everything, including schools and restaurants.
I mean, again, you and I have talked about this before.
Progressive Depravity Consequences00:15:01
There's going to have to become a time where these people face personal consequences for their depravity.
Yeah.
Well, I, I, I'm, you know, it's funny because you don't like I, there's, there's a lot of things that I just really don't like.
And there's enough horrible shit that he's done that I could, I couldn't support him or vote for him.
But I, there is the other side is like what Donald Trump has going for him.
Yeah.
And you see some of this stuff and you're like, man, these motherfuckers just deserve to lose.
Like they really deserve to lose.
So that there are some consequences.
I mean, obviously, you're saying you want like, you know, real consequences, but if you, if they can do this and then win political office, then you're like, shit, now they're just incentivized to do more of this.
And that is like really terrifying.
But I do think, I mean, this is tough.
I don't know what's going to happen in this presidential election.
It's tough after this whole year.
You know, the economy is devastated.
It's been a horrible year for Americans, and Trump is at the top of it, whether he likes it or not, whether it's fair or not to blame it on him.
But I got to say that I did think there was something about Trump having COVID where I was like, you know what?
They are now being lured into this reaction that I think is going to work against them.
I mean, I saw this commercial with de Blasio putting on the mask and stuff.
And you're like, dude, this is like, I don't think this is going to appeal to most normal people.
Maybe I'm wrong.
I no longer have a good understanding of what normal people think.
Because I, someone, I am genuinely surprised by how complicit and docile this country was with all this stuff.
Yeah.
Oh, it's to something to watch.
It's something that, you know, and me and you have like kind of, you know, we've talked a lot and put out a lot of these shows throughout this whole thing.
But, you know, sometimes it's difficult because just like all of us, we live in the day-to-day, the week to week, month to month.
But if you try to zoom out sometimes and go, man, I mean, they just scared the shit out of America in March.
And that was all it took for the American people to give up everything.
Yep.
Everything.
Your business, yeah.
Your relationships.
And just in the political sense, any semblance of a belief in freedom, any semblance of a belief in the government can't really overstep these bounds.
Okay, I know they've overstepped a lot more bounds than a strict libertarian would want them to, but no sense of like, they can't tell you you can't go to this park, you can't go to this church.
If there's an emergency, the legislature will get together and quickly pass those laws that will enable the government to do what they want it.
There's not even a pretense.
No, no, none of that.
And then some of the really creepy things.
Like if you would just for a second, and I'm not trying to say the virus doesn't exist or the virus isn't bad.
I've never been one of those people.
I think COVID-19 is a nasty virus.
And, you know, and I think the evidence supports that.
But just imagine for a second there wasn't COVID, right?
Like even, because even let's say there was a threat, right?
Or for whatever reason, you had to, let's say you could think of an argument where you had to instill some type of totalitarianism to defeat a threat, a legitimate threat.
Well, you know, whatever it is, I don't know, but like there's an alien invasion and the only way to defeat the aliens is to literally implement a totalitarian government.
Okay, even if this worked and we defeated the aliens, you could still say we should be concerned about a totalitarian government that we've instilled as a result of this, right?
So just for a second, I mean, imagine there wasn't this threat.
Imagine there wasn't COVID and you're like, okay, the government got people literally self-isolating, watching TV to see what they're allowed to do, wearing masks when they go out because they're afraid of germs.
And de Blasio even instituted a fucking text messaging service to snitch on your fellow New Yorkers who aren't keeping six feet apart from other human beings.
I mean, think about how fucking what a mind fuck this whole thing is.
It's pretty creepy.
And it's pretty creepy how many people are happy to go along with it.
Yeah, creepy is an understatement here.
This is some very, very disturbing data that should, but again, I'm, and I know you aren't either.
Neither of us are Democrat people.
We never thought it was a numbers game.
I do when people tell me that their way to spread liberty is to convince a majority of people to be for liberty.
I'm like, yeah, no wonder you think it's a lost cause.
That's not the path.
If you think your path to liberty is based on people voting in freedom, you're fucked.
That's never going to happen.
And that's not my approach to liberty, but it is disheartening to see how many people are just kind of shrugging.
But I guess that's not surprising because look how long for decades so many people handed over their children to the government.
And they're like, what are you going to do?
Not have the government raise my children?
It's like, okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Who is it?
I saw someone tweeted something to the effect they go, to be a conservative in America is to hand your children off to your enemies to raise and educate them and then write an article for National Review saying you don't understand why we're losing the culture war.
Oh my God.
It was a great tweet.
I can't really get rid of it.
It was just like, yep, that's that is literally it.
That is literally the state of conservatism in America.
I don't know what's going on.
Why do we keep losing this thing?
I'm shocked.
I can't believe these kids don't respect capitalism or whatever.
Well, maybe if we had the Pledge of Allegiance.
Yeah.
Do you find yourself, and I know you don't vote.
I'm not going to vote in this presidential election either.
I don't, I'm not like a big voter.
I don't like have a strong feeling one way or the other on it.
It's like if someone inspires me to vote for them, I might, but I'm not going to in this election.
Do you find yourself rooting for Trump to win?
I find myself rooting for, here's why I'm going to say honestly, no, because I'm rooting for this country to break up.
And there's two paths to that.
And I don't know which path is more likely.
And they both lead through the two candidates.
And that path is based on the Supreme Court losing legitimacy.
So if Trump gets in Amy Comey Barrett and you got that, then Biden comes in and he starts packing the court.
We're really moving that.
You know, there's that nuclear clock, which is like how many minutes we are until midnight, midnight's nuclear war at the end of the world.
They always move it like very close.
And now they've been doing it so much.
It's like now it's like, well, we can't move in a minute.
Let's move like 30 seconds at a time.
So that is a very strong path toward America dissolving when they start packing the court, possibly.
If Trump wins, I mean, the court's what I care about at this point.
You could see him putting in more people in the Supreme Court, the Democrats having huge majorities in Congress, and it becomes a complete shit show in that regard also.
So I don't know who I'm rooting for.
I'm rooting for us to kind of have a divorce.
Yeah, well, I agree.
I think that's a good question.
And one more thing.
Sorry.
Just one more thing.
I'm sorry, just to finish my thought.
I also am rooting for these protests to be put down and for people to have be secure in their homes and in their businesses.
And I got to tell you, it seems to me it would be a lot easier for Biden to do this for Trump.
Because if Biden sends in the tanks, they'd be applauding him immediately.
And they're saying we finally have a grown-up.
He's historically been one of these law and order types.
I don't think he has much sympathy for these people at all.
I don't think Lockham up Harris has much sympathy for these people at all, despite her rhetoric that's serving her purposes.
So it's very, it's very hard to say whether Biden Harris would govern as law and order on the president.
We don't know, President, because that's certainly in their history of how they governed.
Now they're playing to a base that doesn't want that, but that doesn't mean that they wouldn't turn around and then be that way, you know, once they're in office.
So that is up in the air.
I'll tell you, and I get a little bit of heat from some of my listeners when I say this.
And I'm not even saying this with certainty.
It's just I'm thinking about this.
So I agree with you that I think not only is it the best thing for the prospects of liberty, but the best thing that can just happen is a peaceful dissolution of the country, like mass secession.
I think it's possible that that works out better if the right loses in national office.
I think that one of the things that's been kind of eye-opening over the last few months is that the left losing on the national level, I do not think is going to result in peaceful secession.
I think it's going to result in more violence and more violent clashes.
And whereas the right, I do not think that if Joe Biden, let's say, steals the, I mean, let's say legitimately steals it.
Let's say it's a really close election and lawyers get in there.
The Democrats are the party of lawyers and they outlawyer Trump and they steal the election from him.
Right-wingers are not going to be violently protesting in the streets, smashing up businesses.
They're not.
But what they might do is stop respecting federal mandates.
What they might do, what you might do if Biden steals the election and packs the Supreme Court is you might see more very red rural areas just saying, as Jeff Dice mentioned recently, just saying like, we're just going to have prayer in public school.
Yeah.
What are you going to do?
It's not going to be a good idea.
You're going to send in troops?
Do it.
What are you going to do?
Like, just kind of like the legal pot version of Red America.
And we're just doing prayer in public schools because you know what?
Like 95% of people here want it.
And so we're doing it.
And what are you going to do?
And kind of challenge them to actually enforce it.
And then if they don't, it might open up the floodgates of like, oh, they didn't enforce that.
Okay.
Well, guess what?
We're also not respecting this weapons ban.
We're not respecting this.
We're not.
And this might be, again, I'm just speculating.
I don't know, but this might be the best path forward.
Whereas the truth is, and I'll tell you, and this is having a daughter. has certainly changed my perspective on this, where it's like, I do want to see this thing break up, but I want it to be peaceful.
And that is like the most important thing to me.
Like what I hate about the state is violence.
And so in breaking this thing up, you don't want to have violence.
And I don't see, you know, if Trump wins, like let's say like it's, it's the, the, you know, right-wing dream.
Trump wins, they keep the Senate, they flip the House.
You're going to see violence in the streets.
And that's not an excuse for I should root against that because the other side are a bunch of violent thugs.
But I am concerned about that.
And I don't know if that's the best way, you know, to go forward.
I, can you hear that?
Right now, what I'm hearing is all the binary thinkers who think Democrat and left equals bad, peaceful secession equals good.
How dare you have this Zen diagram where there's good consequences for bad people?
Dave, you know what you're talking about, blah, So it's like, yes.
So feel free to tweet that at Dave and not at me because I'm not interested in hearing it because you just laid out why it's perfectly coherent and plausible.
Although I have no idea what would happen.
We don't know.
Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, it's possible that Trump winning is better for the prospects.
It could be Trump wins and Trump is like re-elected.
He's like, all right, not messing around.
He grabs his nuts and sends in the tanks.
That's very possible too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That is possible too.
And it also could be that Trump getting re-elected actually does force what somehow Trump getting elected in 2016 didn't force.
Now, I don't think the probability of this is too high because I thought that if it was going to happen, it would happen when Trump won in 2016.
But maybe Donald Trump getting re-elected forces some split between the insane, depraved, progressive and the more reasonable ones where they go, look, if we want to get like, if we want to try to get back into, you know, having some respect level amongst these people, we have to approach this from a different, a different perspective, you know?
So I don't know.
It's hard to say at this point.
Yeah, I agree with everything you just said.
And to your point, too, which I think there is some truth to, is that it is possible in the same way they used to say only Nixon could go to China type thing, that maybe only a Democrat could actually crack down on some of this violence, which again, you know, this is another thing that some libertarian binary thinkers crazy when I've said things like the violent mob should be put down by any means necessary.
And they go, does that even mean the state?
And you almost have to go like, well, look, I mean, obviously, well, look, I'd prefer it be fucking, you know, like people exercising their Second Amendment rights.
Like I would.
I would legitimately prefer it be private people and would prefer it be as local a level as possible.
I don't want it to be the feds coming in, but whatever any means necessary being whatever it takes to make people secure in their homes and businesses.
That's what I'm for.
I'm not too concerned if there's a no-knock raid on a like child pornography ring and they end up shooting those people.
I don't, I'm, I'm fine with that.
Yeah.
Yeah, blah, blah, blah, slippery slope.
Cool.
I'll worry about the slope, but where we are right now, I'm fine with it.
Yeah, well, it's also a slippery slope to say that you don't want to stop violence.
I mean, which is, and we're watching, we're watching that slippery slope right now.
But it's funny because even like some of these, you know, Whatever, I'll have like had these arguments with some like really the kind of very pure libertarians, which I really get, you know, I consider myself a very pure libertarian.
I just think that, um, I think the role of libertarians, if we're just living in our abstractions and our theoretical views, um, which I like to do as much as anybody, I'm really into philosophy.
But if that's all we have to offer, and you don't have like a well, here's how it applies to the real world and can make people's lives better, then it's stupid and it's a waste of time.
And like, we shouldn't spend time talking about this anymore because you're just jerking off.
Like, this is doesn't mean anything.
Um, but when you get to the real world and how you can apply this, some of these pure libertarians lose their shit because they really like being pure.
So, even like, if I'll say something like, Hey, you know, I don't believe in open borders under current uh conditions because I just don't think the borders are the first thing you should abolish.
I think that would be a disaster.
If you kept everything else we had right now and just abolished borders, I mean, just holy shit, this would this thing would be horrible.
Like, what would happen, right?
And they'll be like, So, you're a border tarian or something like that.
And I'm like, Okay, well, I'm bored, that's for sure.
Government Roads Ownership00:02:23
I'm talking.
Well, I said, I said to one of them once, I go, Okay, so I don't believe in public roads, right?
Like, I don't believe the government should own roads, I think they should all be privatized.
But as long as the government does own roads, like I'm okay with like stop signs and traffic lights and things like that.
Does this make me a rotatarian because I don't want the first thing abolished to be like the stop sign in a busy intersection?
Like, no, it's like you just have to have a practical application for these things.
And truthfully speaking, if there we have state police and we have a monopoly on a security force and there's like a murderer out there, I'm okay with the cops arresting that murderer.
Yeah, yeah, that doesn't mean I'm against privatization of things, but in the same sense, if these mobs are violent, I mean, they have to be stopped.
People cannot wrap their heads around and have been trained to avoid the concept of trade-offs.
Yeah, because, like, I see this on Twitter all the time.
It's like, would you rather have A or B?
And they'll say neither.
That's not how it works.
Sometimes there's two bad choices.
I love when you disclaim this in your Twitter polls and people still respond with it.
They get blocked.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But you'll literally be like, okay, which one's worse, A or B?
And then you'll have some note.
You're saying, I'm not asking you if C would be better than A or B. I'm saying which one would be worse.
Or am I claiming A and B are good?
Yeah, then they come in.
Well, I just figured out that A and B aren't good and C would be better.
And you're like, dude, how did you like?
How is this not like, did this not insulate your binary thinking from somehow?
Because they think that they're smart because they've outweighed the poll.
And it's like, yeah, all you've outweighed yourself is into a block.
And you don't want to have the mental exercise.
That's cool.
Go away.
All right, brother.
Well, it is, it's always a pleasure when we do these.
And I look forward to the next one.
I actually am somewhat looking forward to watching tonight's vice presidential debate because I think that, yeah, point going is going to be there.
I think that Kamala Harris is prone to have some really cringy moments and some perverse way.
I'm looking forward to that.
I think there will be some canned.
Has made America sick.
Yeah, there's yes, there's going to be some canned one-liners that she thinks are great that are truly horrific.