Dave Smith and Robbie the Fire Bernstein dissect the chaotic first Biden-Trump debate, arguing Trump dominated through alpha behavior while the corporate press wrongly fixated on his silence regarding white supremacists. They contend that voters prioritized pandemic fatigue and healthcare over Critical Race Theory, exposing Biden's weakness and the left's ineffective narrative. Despite conflicting polls showing varied results among Spanish speakers, the hosts conclude the format itself is a ridiculous food fight designed for uninformed audiences rather than policy illumination, setting a poor stage for Susan Page's upcoming moderation. [Automatically generated summary]
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Here's your host, Dave Smith.
What is up, everybody?
Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem.
And this is going to be a big one.
It is Debate Recap Show.
Last night was the first of potentially three presidential debates between Joe Biden and Donald Trump, the former vice president, the current sitting president.
And oh man, was that something?
Of course, I'm Dave Smith.
Of course, I am joined by the king of the caulks, Robbie the Fire Bernstein, my brother.
Let's jump right into this because that was something.
It was unlike anything I've seen before, including other debates with Donald Trump.
I'm very curious to get your reactions, but I just want to jump in with this first.
And I know I'm going to get some pushback from people.
I'm going to trigger some people with my analysis of this debate.
But as usual, I'm right about this.
So let me tell you two things right away.
Number one, it was great.
Shut up, all you people who are, yo, this was horrible.
And it was so, oh, I don't know who won, but I'll tell you who lost the American people.
Shut up.
Shut up, all of you.
I'm so sick of this fucking narrative that's like, I mean, look, yes, do the American people lose?
Sure, like always.
That's the whole thing.
We always lose, but don't give me any of this shit.
Like, I wish we could just return to a substative debate like Barack Obama and Mitt Romney.
They're all, listen, for people go like me and Rob.
Uh, we used to go to the Soho Forum debates back when there was a world, and we'd go to these debates all the time.
You have like two brilliant intellectuals having a serious academic debate.
The way you do that is they'd have 15-minute opening statements, another 15-minute opening statement, then a 10-minute rebuttal, a 10-minute rebuttal, question and answers.
That's not what presidential debates are.
They're not even that when it was Barack Obama and Mitt Romney, they'd be talking about binders full of women and like it's all nonsense.
This was actually a more substantive debate than usual presidential debates are.
And if we're all going to lose and it's going to be a fucking dumb who can appeal to idiots, you know, competition, let's at least make it entertaining.
That shit last night was sure as fuck entertaining.
The other thing I'm going to say is that Donald Trump won.
Donald Trump won that shit.
And you can sit there and be like, he interrupted too much and he was mean.
Donald Trump turned the whole thing into rubble.
And in that rubble, he was the alpha.
That's what happened there.
You know, he had opportunities to do much better than he did.
He could have calibrated a little bit.
But Donald Trump was leading that debate.
It was Donald Trump versus Joe Biden and Chris Wallace.
And he was the only dominant force there.
Joe Biden was sad and old and weak.
The only thing you could count as a win for Joe Biden is that he didn't blow the whole election.
He didn't, you know, have a disaster moment, but it was a bad night for Joe Biden, even with the very low expectations going in.
That's off the top, my first reaction.
What was your first reaction, bigger picture of the whole debate?
Well, just, but you were saying with fun, I had so much fun with it.
At first, it was like the Super Bowl for me.
I loaded up on snacks.
I got beers.
I had some friends come over and I had some belly laughs during the thing.
I mean, there were some moments where I had to pause because Trump said something and it was just so fucking funny or he slammed Biden so good that we were just cracking up.
So it was fun.
In terms of winning, I'm not like, I wouldn't say that Biden won, but I did feel like early on, Trump kind of was a little bit too combative, where it was like almost borderline uncomfortable.
And he almost, where I think he kind of messed up was he didn't let Biden dig his own grave.
Yes.
Because since he kept disrupting him, he didn't have those bad Biden moments.
And the one thing that I thought was disappointing, and I'm sure we'll get a little bit more into the weeds.
And there's some issues where he did a really good job, but there were some where like he kind of had him on the ropes or like he started getting him into deep water, I'll say, where like he started plugging those topics of, listen, you've endorsed the Bernie Sanders healthcare.
What are you actually looking for here?
Or, hey, you're not willing to oppose Antifa or really Chris Wallace led him off the hook for the PAC in the Supreme Court.
But there were some really good issues that like we I'd like to see Biden more exposed on and Trump didn't quite pin him.
Yeah, I think that's what I meant by saying that Trump needed to calibrate a little bit more at certain times.
I think that Donald Trump made a few crucial errors.
And one of them was that with a guy like Biden, you can't, you can't just like swarm him the whole time.
You have to let him have his moments to collapse.
And he, in a way, it almost reminded me, it was like a fighter who was like, didn't have his legs underneath him, like he had taken too many heavy shots.
And then you've got him up against the cage.
But you're almost holding him up.
And then there would be certain points where Trump interrupted when Chris Wallace was actually asking Biden somewhat tough questions and he just didn't.
And I did think that Donald Trump could have like pulled back and it would have been better for him.
There was a little bit too much interrupting, things like that.
I mean, where I say a little bit, obviously there was a ton of interrupting.
But truthfully speaking, I think a lot of that was effective.
I just think he did too much of it and he should have pulled back and allowed Biden.
And there were several points where he asked very tough questions, but then would keep interrupting and not let Biden answer them.
And it's like, dude, you want him to answer this.
You want this to be on record.
My take, Chris Wallace ran the best debate in the last season.
In this one, I felt like his, um, he kind of set a bad tone with, I'm just going to say, like, cunty questions where it wasn't like, hey, what is your guy's health care policy?
It was, you said, like, your healthcare, you know, like he started off the questions with kind of personal attacks.
And that element to me was kind of unnecessary.
He kind of could have just proposed the topics without, you know, like he's not in the debate.
So you want to propose the topics like right off the bat with even the way he was asking Trump about like, you have no plan three, four years now, no healthcare plan.
Like, we don't need that element to the question.
You could go, hey, you've said that you want to get rid of Obamacare.
We're four years in.
What are you looking to do here?
Like, he didn't need to kind of editorialize some of those moments.
And I feel like, I mean, I enjoyed the freak show, but if people are upset about the freak show, that definitely contributed to it.
Yeah.
I thought Chris Wallace did a horrendously terrible job at moderating.
I thought he was horrible throughout the whole thing.
Like the whole, the questions, the order of the questions, the tone, so many things were just awful.
And I do have to say, Donald Trump interrupting so much gave Chris Wallace a little bit of cover for being such a one-sided moderator.
Like Chris Wallace is like, he, listen, he is a good foot soldier of the establishment.
And that's why he is where he is.
He's Mike Wallace's kid and he's, you know, a lifelong Democrat.
And he's, but he's at least somewhat good at keeping the veneer of an old school objective journalist typically.
I thought he did a terrible job, a terrible job in this debate.
And he really, as you kind of pointed out before, he didn't, he asked unnecessarily inflamed questions.
And he also didn't hold Joe Biden, you know, his feet to the fire on any of the questions.
I mean, Joe Biden had some moments in this debate where he was like outrageously vague, dodged questions, dodged really important questions.
In the Supreme Court packing, Chris Wallace let him off on that.
Joe Biden's response was, well, if I say something, that'll become the story.
Like, okay.
Yes.
Well, okay.
So you're just not going.
You're like, I won't tell you whether or not I'm going to end the filibuster in the Senate or pack the Supreme Court.
We'll see.
I mean, that was now Trump fucked up in that moment by not pushing him on that or by just interjecting in bad ways and not making sure that Joe Biden was, you know, pushed to answer that question.
But I thought overall, Chris Wallace did a terrible job.
I thought it was really weird to open with Supreme Court talk.
Just after the crazy year that is 2020, it seemed like such a strange thing to be the first topic.
I was really surprised by the order of the topics.
Like we knew we'd get to all these things, but it seemed very strange to open.
Well, I guess in that regard of bad moderating, that's what kind of led to the ADD frenzy because since the order of topics were weird, people jumped to the more important issues.
Yeah.
I was really shocked that we didn't open with COVID and lockdowns.
I just, I don't understand how after the year 2020, the first thing we talk about wouldn't be the pandemic and the government response to it.
And that was one of two of Trump's best moments during the debate was when they were talking about the lockdowns.
The one thing he didn't say was, let's make it your choice.
That was the one thing he needed to say that he didn't quite get there.
But he definitely really pinned Biden on that Biden is pro more lockdowns.
And I don't think anybody wants that.
I think listening to that, that sounded, I don't know who would have listened to that and not have been scared, especially parents where he's talking about, well, how can you have the schools open?
Like, so you're you're you're telling parents now that have their kids in school that want their kids in school because they can make the other decision.
They could keep them home that they're that school shouldn't be available to them.
Like, they should have their taxes, the public schools should exist, but their kids shouldn't be going there if they want them to be going there.
Like, that was insanity and scary.
It was uh, that was, um, I think a big win for Donald Trump, that portion of the debate.
The problem Donald Trump has, and that he's had all along, is that Donald Trump needed to actually have the courage.
Like, Donald Trump likes these scraps and these fights, but I don't like think Donald Trump actually has that much courage when it comes down to it in terms of actually taking, you know, like and sticking by a gutsy position.
But Donald Trump should have just been against the lockdowns from the beginning.
And now he should really, I mean, he should just make that his whole campaign.
Just like I said, the Libertarian Party should.
But, you know, that should be the whole campaign right now, especially now that all of the evidence that's coming in is basically suggesting that the lockdowns were a big fuck up, a big fat fuck up.
I mean, when, like, like, if you look at Sweden, this thing, like, it kind of went back and forth where who had the control of the narrative of what the story of Sweden is.
But because in the beginning, they didn't lock down and there weren't that many deaths.
And it was like, oh, look, Sweden doesn't need a lockdown.
And the people like us who are against the lockdowns were pointing to them.
Then when deaths started going up, everybody was like, no, see, they're horrible for not doing this.
And the projections were like, if they don't lock down, there's going to be like close to 100,000 dead people in Sweden because of COVID.
We're looking at it now.
There's less than 6,000 deaths in Sweden.
In a country of at least 20, somewhere between 20 and 30 million people, you're looking at less than 6,000 deaths and very, very new cases right now.
Very low new cases right now.
So basically, they did it without locking down the economy.
And then you look somewhere like Spain, where they destroyed their economy and the cases are coming back.
And now they're talking about another round of lockdowns.
And it's this horrible situation.
So if you know it and have some mastery of the subject, you can really make a great, you know, open the economy argument.
I think Donald Trump fell a little bit short of that, but he was able to position himself as the one who wants the economy open.
And Biden is the one who wants it closed.
And Biden certainly didn't do enough to push back against being the guy who wants to close the economy.
So anyway, right away, as you mentioned, I mean, Donald Trump, even in the rubble and the shit show, there were some blows that Donald Trump landed that were like really funny, classic Trump just digs that are hard to get out of your head.
Classic Trump Jabs in the Rubble00:04:38
The thing that he said, you know, what did he have?
The one I didn't number two.
Yes, you're a number two.
Oh my God, when Joe Biden said something, said the word smart.
Don't ever use the word smart with me.
Sounds like out of a mafia movie.
Oh, it really, it really was something.
I mean, just a fucking entertaining shit show, if nothing else.
But he had some haymakers that he landed on Biden.
And I just think that I think people underestimate the psychological effect of alpha behavior.
You know, that it's kind of like this thing, like so much of the reason why Donald Trump destroyed Jeb Bush was just that he alpha him.
Like it was just like a more dominant male.
And we are like, we've got these monkey brains, you know, like this shit really does, it's in us, like to have the, to respond to that in some way.
And I just think that, you know, Donald Trump was an alpha throughout the entire debate.
And you can, a lot of people might sit there and, and you know what?
I know already, the more beta-leaning people, they, they'll hear me say something like that.
And they're like, no, it's rude.
Like what he did was mean and you're not supposed to do it.
It's like, yeah, no, I know.
You don't like that type of behavior.
But I'm telling you, a lot of people respond to that and they end up going like, we're picking a leader here.
That's the guy who I'd prefer out of the two of them.
All right.
So let's get into some of the other major topics of the debate.
So the spin from the corporate press, their huge takeaway from the debate.
Breaking news that Trump is a racist.
Yes.
I mean, we finally got him.
And they couldn't even come up with that.
I mean, four years into Donald Trump, what are you going to do to paint him as being negative?
It's, oh, why don't we try the racist card?
We haven't tried that one yet.
And he couldn't have more, I mean, a little bit of a slip up with the way he said the Proud Boys thing, which was just a little bit weird with the stand on the side.
But it sounded to me where he was basically, tell me what you want me to say.
I'm not pro-racist.
You guys keep trying to paint me as being like, I'll say it.
And then they still manage to twist that as him being pro-racist.
Trump could have done a better job there for sure.
However, the entire, and look, man, this is what you got to do sometimes in a lot of these situations, right?
When you see the entire corporate press, the entire blue check Twitter world all lining up behind one narrative frantically, you realize that's because there's a real weakness there and that they have to really try to convince you.
Look, everyone feels this way.
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The story of the debate, according to Kamala Harris and like everybody at CNN and MSNBC and all of them, I was watching all of the post-debate coverage.
Refusing to Denounce Supremacists00:15:54
It's all the story of this debate is that Donald Trump refused to denounce white supremacists.
That's what they're going to, and let me promise you, this is a really, really bad takeaway from the debate.
That is a losing argument.
If you think you're going to tell this country after this crazy year that the thing that you're supposed to care about is not the issue of whether your kids can go to school or whose health care plan was actually the best or any of this other shit or the violence in the street.
The problem is that Donald Trump did not call out white supremacists.
This is unbelievable that they still think this is a winning argument.
Let me just say this.
What Chris Wallace did there was outrageously biased, agenda-driven journalism or moderating.
That was this was, and he did it in a way that was subtle enough that a lot of people will almost just be like, okay, well, he asked a question and this was Trump's answer.
What Chris Wallace asked, the question that he posed to Donald Trump, it went something like this.
He said, President Trump, you have criticized the vice president for failing to condemn the violent Black Lives Matter and Antifa people in the streets.
But will you condemn white supremacists?
Now, okay, that might on the surface seem like almost like, oh, okay, well, that's just the question he happened to ask Trump.
But in the year 2020, with what's going on right now, that question obviously should have been to Joe Biden.
The president has criticized you for failing to condemn the Black Lives Matter violence and the Antifa violence in the streets.
Will you, sir, condemn those right now?
That should have been the question.
And instead, he turns this around on Trump and makes it a question about Charlottesville.
And I just, I got to say, it was surreal to me.
One of the most surreal moments in a presidential debate that I've ever seen was as he's going, and Donald Trump's going, okay, sure, give me a name.
Who are we talking about?
And Joe Biden, in his little sad old voice, goes, Proud boys.
I'm talking about the Proud Boys.
And I, dude, as somebody who was like, I was on the compound network when Gavin got there.
And we might have been gone by the time he actually made the Proud Boys thing.
But like, this was like a fucking joke that Gavin McGuinness started on his show on Cumia's network.
It was so surreal to see, like, it felt almost like on the level of Joe Biden being like, Legion of skanks, call them out.
Tell me that you hate them.
And, you know, I mean, okay, look, the stand down and stand by line was a very fucking weird thing to say for sure.
But, you know, overall, Trump saying, look, this isn't a problem with right-wingers.
This is a problem with left-wingers.
And someone's got to deal with Antifa.
That to me is not actually that bad of a response.
And for Joe Biden, and this is really to me, like, it's almost like a litmus test.
And I use this with other libertarians as well.
But if you are actually in 2020 more concerned with the alt-right than you are with Antifa, that really says something about your worldview and your bias.
Like, I'm sorry, the alt-right fucking sucks, and they've got a lot of stupid ass fucking, you know, racist opinions and shit.
And like, I don't know.
I'm not a fan of them.
We've done like several podcasts where we've just like criticized the ideas of the alt-right.
And that whole thing in 2017 was a shit show.
And the alt-right, you know, has some blame for that.
The Antifa who showed up have some blame for that.
And the police have a whole lot of blame for what happened there.
Okay.
But it's not as if every time someone slightly left of center wants to have an event, or every time someone slightly left of center wants to speak on a college campus, that they're going to be met with violent protesters who are going to try to shut that shit down.
It's not as if there's been violent alt-right members who are out in the streets in Portland for the last 60 days in Seattle have been tearing apart.
you know, cities in this country.
That's what Antifa is doing.
And so for you to have, and by the way, you can give me whatever argument you want.
And I'm talking to libertarians on this one about how the alt-right, you know, support authoritarian policies or something like that, or they're not libertarian.
Yeah, no question.
No question about that.
But is Antifa, do they support anything even remotely compatible with libertarianism, with a free society?
They're the polar opposite.
So that right there, like to me, it should be like, you know, to make the story that Donald Trump wouldn't condemn white supremacists.
And again, he could have done a better job and said that because he really could have called Joe Biden out on the Charlottesville lie and just been like, I've been condemning them from the day after all the way to now.
But the fact that Joe Biden will go, it's not an organization.
It's an idea about Antifa.
Like, okay, it's a group of fucking violent, you know, dorks.
But they're getting into a big group and they're causing a lot of problems.
So it's that was a, the whole thing was interesting.
I thought it was so unfair the way Chris Wallace framed it.
But I also do think that it's a real, it's fool's gold for the Democrats to think that this is a good way to spin the debate.
I just don't think it's a winning argument.
And they've tried it.
They've tried it for the last five years.
Yeah.
And as you said, for five years, we've heard this racist thing and it hasn't stuck.
So that's the wrong takeaway.
But that's also, that was one of the missed opportunities of Trump where he didn't quite pin Biden to the fact that you guys were telling me that I didn't condemn the violence of this group that didn't turn into anything and I condemned it.
And yet we've got all these cities that are, you know, literally up in flames.
And how come you won't speak out against these groups?
He made the blunder where he just kind of kept talking just about law and order and not quite condemning violence, which gave Biden that opening.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, there's this thing that Trump does, which in some ways is a really effective like alpha debate tactic.
But so he'll do this thing where he'll go, like he used to do it with radical Islam or whatever, but now he'll do, he'll be like, you won't even say law and order.
Look at you.
You can't even say it.
And then he puts you in this position where you're either going to not say it, and then it kind of looks like, oh, shit.
Yeah, look, he said he won't say it and he won't say it.
Or then you say it and you kind of look like his bitch.
Right.
He's like, yeah, I just got you to say this.
And now you're only saying it because I made you say it kind of thing.
It's really, I mean, it's like, it's dumb, but it's this fucking alpha like tactic.
And so there's something about Trump, like this is just like what's in his DNA, is that when Chris Wallace goes, will you just fucking condemn white supremacists?
Then he won't just say it.
You know what I mean?
Like he won't bend the knee to somebody who's telling you, say this thing.
Now say it.
And he's like, well, you know, the problem really isn't them.
But no, there's no question he could have done a slightly better job in that whole part.
But I do think that he was able to lure these people like, you know, the Biden Harris ticket into now trying to spin this as the big takeaway of the debate.
Isn't it so incredible that the main headline from that entire debate was, well, there were two headlines.
One was like the country lost and this was a freak show.
Or it was the, what you just said, hey, Donald Trump's a racist.
Like, how from that entire hour and a half conversation is that the main takeaway still?
Yeah, yeah, it is.
There's no question about that.
That kind of shows you something.
Okay, what else?
Try to think.
What other thing was a takeaway from you from the debate on other topics?
I mean, I've got others.
I just want to not sure what to go to next.
One of the most glorious Trump moments was when he was going after Biden for Hunter Biden.
And he really, this was the, and Biden kept saying, no, good kid, good kid.
And then, and then Trump's like dishonorably discharged.
And then he finally got Biden basically mentally folded for a second there and said, listen, a lot of parents have had to deal with kids that were drug addicts.
And my son overcame it and I'm proud of him.
But it seemed like in that moment, he was admitting to the whole storyline there that Hunter Biden's trouble and that you've helped this, you know, you've helped your kid that's trouble.
And not helped your kid that's trouble like in the good way, but in the politician way where it's like he got this scumbag drug addict kid a job.
But he really, he fucking bullied that out of him.
And that was like an interesting mental fold.
Yeah, it was the part where he brought up his son, Bo Biden, who like served in Iraq or whatever.
And Trump goes, I don't know Bo.
I know Hunter.
It was particularly vicious.
I did think that Trump would have been better off to focus more on the corruption aspect than the drug, the drug stuff.
I felt like the two went hand in hand that once he like Biden didn't start it off with like, hey, my kid had had trouble and we overcame it.
And that's the story here.
And so once like it seemed like Biden was guilty on all accounts there when he had to admit the drug usage.
Yeah, I agree with you.
I mean, there was something to that.
The only thing I think is that it's like, you know, there is like, got a lot of like, what is it, like 70,000 opioid deaths a year in this country.
That's just the deaths.
There's a lot of people out there who have drug problems.
And, you know, there's it might end up, you know, I don't know.
But there's no question that Joe Biden actually having to say that on the debate stage, that was another moment that was kind of surreal.
Like you couldn't even imagine, because this is the type of stuff that traditionally, if it wasn't for a candidate like Trump, this is the type of stuff that all gets brushed under the rug.
Like they don't bring any of this up.
No one would like actually talk about that.
Joe, Donald Trump hit Joe Biden a lot for the time that he's been in Washington, D.C. and how he's gotten nothing done.
We predicted that this would be an argument.
It was one of the same arguments he used against Hillary Clinton.
I do think that that is somewhat effective still.
Some of the other, I was just thinking if there's something, other thing I want to say before I go into this.
Yeah, okay, he hit him for the crime bill and treating black people unfairly and how they never forgot and how he called them all sorts of horrible things.
That was an interesting moment.
It was like a little bit confused, I thought.
I thought that Trump didn't have exactly a coherent narrative about what exactly he's criticizing Joe Biden for.
And I thought it could have been done more effectively.
I thought that, you know, the thing is, he's saying like, oh, you were this law and order tough on crime guy, but then he's also criticizing him for being afraid to say law and order.
You know what I mean?
And all that stuff.
I think what would have been a more effective narrative and line of criticism on Joe Biden is to be like, Joe Biden, you are a law and order guy, but you're too much of a bitch to say it now.
And that I think that would have been like, I saw that as a missed opportunity for Trump.
And I just think that that's more the truth.
And that would have been more like coherent, coherent, where there's like a through line throughout the whole thing, you know?
So the narrative should have been, in my opinion, that it's like, look at you, you wanted this tough law and order.
You bragged about all of this, but now when we really need it, you won't say a word about it because you're terrified of the radical left wing in your party.
You know, something along those lines would have been more effective.
But one thing, who knows?
Yeah, one thing that's just totally missing from the debates, and it's bothersome, is that you would think you would go after Biden for the cost of some of the things he's putting forward.
So wait a second, Obamacare cost is this and you want to add to it.
So here's the projected cost.
Or, hey, you're trying to just, there's a lot of things that he's got in the works that seem really expensive.
But when you're spending the way Trump is, I don't think you can necessarily even try and criticize.
Like, wait, also when Biden's like, we need to do more to help these businesses.
Like, well, how much money are you talking about here?
What exactly?
I did nothing.
There were PPE loans.
We gave people stimulus checks.
What more money do you think needs to be handed to people?
But Trump can't criticize him on account of that.
And nobody seems to even be bringing up like, hey, guys, what's the plan here when it comes to the country's debt?
Like, there's no conversation about that at all.
Well, there is that is interesting.
And one of the interesting dynamics throughout the debate was that Trump said a few different times to Joe Biden, he goes, you just lost the left.
Like he would get these statements out of Joe Biden and then say, you just lost the left.
And one of them was when he disavowed Bernie Sanders' health care plan.
The other was when he said he doesn't support the Green New Deal, which was very like in typical Joe Biden fashion.
It was very confused.
I mean, first of all, it says on his website that he does support the Green New Deal.
Now, I understand you can say there's been different versions of that put out.
But then he also said at one point in the debate that the Green New Deal pays for itself.
And Chris Wallace said, so you're supporting the Green New Deal.
And then he said, no, I'm not.
And it was like, oh, well, I mean, if it pays for itself, why not support it?
Right?
Like, this is this seemed like very strange.
And so, yeah, he doesn't want to be honest or have a conversation about like what you're actually proposing here, how insane it is.
Chris Wallace pushed him a little bit, a little bit on that, but not nearly enough.
And Trump probably didn't push him nearly enough on that stuff either.
Well, I guess it'll be interesting now going into a second or third debate if Trump can start expanding off of some of these contradictions and going, well, in the last one, you said you're not.
So where are we at here?
And I thought what would have been more interesting or a better tactic than just saying, well, you just lost the far left is to go, it sounds to me like you're lying because I watched you guys in the earlier debate and you said that you were going to do as follows.
Now you're saying you're going to do this.
So what exactly are you?
What are you doing here, Biden?
What is your claim?
I was very surprised that Donald Trump didn't hit Joe Biden on free health care for illegal immigrants, which Joe Biden agreed to in one of the Democratic primary debates.
I thought that that was when they were talking about health care.
I was sure that would come out of Trump's mouth.
And I thought that was a missed opportunity.
Another really big missed opportunity from my perspective was when Donald Trump, I mean, and I was really surprised that he missed this one, but when Donald Trump was, you know, they were talking about him holding events and he did the typical Donald Trump thing where they were like, well, how come Joe Biden's not having these big rallies?
The Big Transition Power Miss00:04:57
He's like, because no one wants to see him, you know, and that's which is fine, you know, and it is true.
I mean, there's no question, even in a normal campaign, Trump outdraws Joe Biden.
The only one that could compete in terms of who draws a bigger crowd were Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump.
That was it.
None of the rest of them draw the way they do for obvious reasons.
Even if you're voting for Joe Biden, it's not like that exciting or fun to go see a Joe Biden speech, whereas Trump is like basically doing a comedy routine.
So, you know, people want to go see it.
But Joe Biden started calling him out for that.
Basically, you're endangering people by doing this.
And I thought the perfect response from Donald Trump would have been like, okay, yeah, no, I get it.
You're really concerned about large gatherings outside.
So how do you feel about the protests?
And just should have nailed him on that.
I mean, I just thought that was a huge, huge opportunity that was missed to just absolutely put him on the spot and make him explain why he's so worried about people, you know, getting sick from COVID with outdoor gatherings, but he's not worried about it when they're protesting.
And it would be an impossible situation to put Joe Biden into where it's like, oh, it's only when they're supporting my presidential candidacy.
That's when it becomes a risk.
And so I thought that was a big, big missed opportunity on Donald Trump's part.
Okay.
Now, I guess let's move into what I did think was one of the most interesting moments of the debate and really something that was unlike anything I've ever seen before.
And that was with the talk of the transition of power when that came up.
I thought Donald Trump said something that was really, I mean, I don't know how it would be interpreted or what the response would be by just like the general population.
But to guys like me and you, it really kind of hit home.
When they were talking about the transition of power, and Donald Trump said to Joe Biden, there never was a transition of power.
And he was kind of talking about all the deep state stuff that he's been dealing with.
And he was kind of like, yeah, you guys never really gave me power.
Like you never really just turned it over.
Like I was able to beat this thing, but there really wasn't a transition of power.
You're talking about me transitioning power to you.
All of your people at the FBI, at the CIA, at the NSA, in the corporate press, like all over the place, they all came at me as soon as I got in there.
And I don't know.
I just, there was something about that that I thought was really interesting.
I guess I never thought of it exactly in that light.
And it was interesting to hear him say that.
Yeah, you know, that whole stretch is, I mean, dude, some of the shit they're finding with the vote, like there were 100,000 fucked up ballots in New York City today, in Brooklyn.
There's some real fucking shady shit going on with these ballots.
And it's interesting because what Biden said, I mean, what Trump said was not really unfair.
He said, if this turns out to be a legitimate election, I'm not going to contest it.
But if we start finding out that there's more and more of these Biden problems, I mean, more and more of these ballot problems, then yes, it's going to have to go to the Supreme Court.
That's not entirely unreasonable, except that he's setting up that game where it's like, if he wins, then it's good.
But if he loses, then clearly there was cheating.
And that part doesn't resonate with people because it's like what I was smashing the Democrats for, where it's like when you lose the game and then you start changing the rules.
You have to go into this and go, hey, guys, this is not, we need to restructure this because this is a bullshit election because there are these problems.
Not if I lose, then I have this framework to hit.
So I don't think he's being totally above board on that.
But what you said there, I agree 100%.
I thought that was, I wish he could have harped on that a little bit more of like, you know, you guys fucking tied me up for three years.
You didn't hand over power.
So, you know, but at the end of the day, they still kind of did play within the rules of the game because he did become president.
So he's describing something different about not living.
That a lot of people probably don't know about that well.
You know what I mean?
Like a lot of people don't know the exact details of all of this.
I think to the average Republican voter, it's like, oh, they said there was Russian collusion and there wasn't.
They lied.
And to the average Democrat voter, it's like they said there was Russian collusion and there was some smoke there.
Whether or not there was fire, you know, like there's still probably something.
That's part of he lost a lot of political capital and he wasn't able to push on the agenda of what he was voted in for because he got tied down on this other bullshit.
Also, they flipped Congress on him.
You want to know why some of the things he wanted to do didn't get done?
It's because they pushed this fake Russia collusion enough that they were able to, you know, flip Congress.
Like that made a major difference in Trump's run.
That's why some of the things, I mean, I don't think he would have built your wall, but I don't think Trump was going to do that much great shit either.
Fake Collusion Flipped Congress00:02:00
Right.
But there still was a deep state attempted coup against a presidential candidate and then a duly elected president of the United States.
I mean, that's, that's a pretty big scandal.
And for a bunch of people who are talking about him theoretically not going along with the transition of power, it's, it's pretty rich when that's what they did to him.
Right.
But part of it is keeping the illusion alive and having the deep state work against the president versus not leaving the office.
Those are just two different things.
Yes.
Yes.
That is true.
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Critical Race Theory Backlash00:15:53
So anyway, there was something kind of dark about that part of the debate, especially that it happened at the end where you had the president.
I mean, I've never seen anything like it, where you had the president.
And I think somewhat fairly being like, this whole thing is going to be illegitimate.
And, you know, he might very well be right about that.
I don't know if you saw there was like a Project Veritas video that they put out about the guy trying to sell mail.
Don't those videos not watch well?
Like I tried watching it and it just seems like they're splicing too much random shit or not really explaining who the people are.
Yeah.
It's interesting.
Like if you just gave me that headline of there's vote buying going on in Minnesota and it's because that lady, you know, that seems like a convincing headline where I'm like, okay, you know, like that would float around in my brain and go, that seems like I watched the video and there's pulling too many random people together.
Just something seems off about it.
Yeah.
No, I get what you're saying, but it just, it is a little bit of like a window into like how much of this shit might be going on.
And we'll see.
It does seem like, you know, what we've been saying for weeks now on the show is that this is going to be like a crazy shit show, this whole election process.
And it seemed like Trump was kind of preparing people for that.
Like, look, this is going to be a thing.
This is going to be fought in the courts with lawyers.
It's not going to be clear on election day who the president is.
And especially given the state of everything in the country right now, that's just, this is, you know, buckle up.
So I got two questions for you.
First is, I really thought early in the debate when Trump was being as feisty as he was, he was going to give Biden the opening to go, that wasn't a debate.
He didn't give me a chance to talk and I'm not doing another one.
Do you think there's a possibility of that?
Well, I will say that that narrative has been pushed by a lot of people.
A lot of people are pushing the narrative.
Biden shouldn't even debate this guy again because he's such a jerk or something like that.
I don't know.
I think Biden's going to end up doing it, doing it again.
I think that it would be too, it would come off as too much of a bitch move to basically acknowledge that this guy bullied you out of wanting to debate more.
Now, that being said, I was very skeptical that Biden would show up at all.
I was wrong about that.
Take him rarely happens.
No, no horrible blunder.
No, listen, that's what I said.
Horrible fumbles.
Look, he stumbled a bit throughout, but he didn't have the horrific blunder that we all know Joe Biden is capable of having.
So to him, that's the win that you can take away from Joe Biden.
And if you are in Joe Biden's camp, you would be like anything.
And this is true for every press conference he has.
If he doesn't blow the whole election, there was some degree of success that came out of there.
But the truth is that I think Trump won the night.
I mean, I don't think there was any severe blow that Joe Biden landed.
And even though he didn't have that horrible blunder, he just came off weak and old and did not seem like a fighter.
The stuff where he'd tell them to like shut up and things like that, it was to me, I just didn't think was effective.
So I was trying to gauge the temperature because I was wondering, what is just your, what are reasonable people when they're, when I say reasonable, I mean not your far left who are just voting left, the actual group of people that are watching this and just going, who's more reasonable?
Who's my better option?
The people you can actually persuade one way or the other.
People like my mom, who've been a longtime Democrat, but then over there just seemed to lean a little bit more conservative because specifically they didn't like Hillary.
Like there were a lot of people who have been long-term Democrats.
They didn't like Hillary.
When they watched an election, but they also don't like Trump.
I don't think my mom voted for, she probably ended up voting for Hillary, but she didn't like her.
But you know what I mean?
Like there's this group of people that kind of don't like both.
And they're like, well, what's not, what's like the more reasonable of these two bad options?
Like, is Biden so bad that I'll vote for Trump, even though I don't like Trump?
And so for the people that were watching last night, because I was trying to watch the news to be like, what's the temperature of the room?
What do people think?
But like you said, right away, they go, oh, well, Donald Trump's clearly a racist and we finally caught him for being, well, no, okay, fine.
So that's the commentary.
Okay, then this is all this is all garbage.
I want to know like, what did real people sitting at home who are actually watching these debates looking to make a decision for the election, what do you think those people's takeaway was?
Well, that's an interesting, an interesting question.
And I guess the short, unsatisfying answer is that I don't know for sure.
But there was some information that we got out that I have here.
So this is from Zero Hedge.
The confusion over the debate also meant confusion over who won.
As a CBS flash poll had Biden winning 48 to 41, and the CNN poll was 60 through 28.
I don't know if that's age.
Yet a double GN poll, which is less partisan, saw Trump win 60 to 40.
And this one's kind of interesting.
A telemundo, U.S. Telemundo, U.S. Spanish TV viewers showed Trump winning 66 to 34.
I got to say that I think that most people, this is why I was saying, I think it's a win for Donald Trump.
I think that however you feel about him, and there will certainly be a lot of people who will turned off about politics from this whole thing, which is wonderful.
Like, excellent.
You know what I mean?
And a lot of people would be like, oh, you know, it was a shit show and I didn't like it.
And I didn't like how Trump interrupted so much.
But Trump seemed like more of a leader than Joe Biden did in that debate.
And I think that, as you pointed out, I just think the sticking point of all of this, like, you know, the, oh, Trump's a racist and refused to call them out.
I don't think most regular people that you're talking about, not the left-wing ideologues, look at that and actually think it's some outrageous offense that he didn't precisely call out the proud boys.
Most of them don't know who the fucking proud boys are.
You know what I mean?
And they, and they basically heard Donald Trump go, Yeah, you know, whatever.
I mean, stand down, stand by, but someone's got to deal with these left-wing crazies.
And they were kind of like, being against the proud boys sounds like you're anti-gay.
So that's not going to play well for Biden.
Yeah.
One other point in the debate that I thought was interesting to me was when Chris Wallace brought up the critical race theory stuff that Donald Trump was trying to get out of federal agencies.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That was very interesting.
And I thought Trump did miss an opportunity there to some degree.
But it's not because Chris Wallace posed it, called it racial sensitivity training.
But then he also specifically mentioned critical race theory.
And unfortunately, I think Donald Trump just doesn't know enough to have like a sound like rebuttal to that.
But Donald Trump could have very easily just rattled off one or two things about how bat shit crazy critical race theory is.
And he could have pushed it right back on Chris Wallace and on Joe Biden.
He goes, okay, yeah, I got rid of critical race theory.
Do you know that they say that the nuclear family is white supremacy?
Do you believe that, Chris?
Do you believe that, Joe Biden?
Don't you guys think that's garbage?
You know, like a little something like that could have really blown that whole thing open.
Because this is not like to call it racial sensitivity training is complete bullshit.
Believe me, that's not what this is about.
That was such a telling moment because that plays into exactly the fictional framework that the left works by, where they put up some like, who's against racial sensitivity training?
Who's against an anti-rape initiative?
It's like you put up these golden terms of things that I can't possibly.
Dude, they do this with everything.
Everything.
But it's all pure propaganda.
It's a brainwash class that I'm forced to take at work that represents political ideas that are different than what I have.
And not just that different than what you have, different than what like every normal person has, even like pretty far left-wing people.
If you actually broke down the like beliefs of critical race theory proponents, they'd think you were making it up.
Like, I'm not even like, it's like you, I mean, I remember I was talking about this a little bit on Ari's podcast, talking about postmodernism and critical race theory specifically.
And I had to say, like, a couple different times, I was like, hey, I know this sounds like I'm just making up nonsense, but like, I'm telling you, this is what they actually believe.
Like, you can go look this up and verify this.
I know it sounds like I'm being like, oh, Sean Hannity or something like that in this moment.
And you're like, they want to destroy America or something.
But it's like, no, no, no.
Go look at what they are actually telling you that meritocracy is racist, that the nuclear family is racist.
These are all.
And by the way, there's no such thing as objective reality.
And logic is just a tool of, you know, like the powerful and all this bullshit.
Like, this is really what they believe.
But to your point, yeah, this is the whole game.
It's every left-wing cause.
This is what they do.
They call it something that you'd have to be a bad person to be against.
But the thing doesn't really mean that.
Listen, this is anti-fascism.
You're against Antifa.
So what are you, a fascist?
Black Lives Matter.
You're critical of them.
What do you think?
Black lives don't matter?
Planned parenthood.
What are you against planning parenthood?
Like every one of their things is something that you're like, you're like, no, I'm not criticizing that language.
I'm not against racial sensitivity.
I'm against fucking radical neo-Marxists who fucking hate white people.
Like that's what I'm criticizing.
I'm not criticizing planning parenthood.
I'm criticizing killing babies.
I'm not criticizing the idea that black lives have value.
I'm criticizing violence in the streets.
I'm not like I'm against fascism too, but I don't like fucking commies.
I don't know.
So you have to find a way to crack that spell.
We're really lucky because we just we're outside of that world.
And that's why we're here.
And that's why our audience likes us is because they have to deal with a lot of this bullshit in their daily lives.
And then we get to dispel why it's bullshit.
And sometimes like I've had this, you're watching and you know that there's something, there's a flaw, there's some bullshit there.
And then we actually can usually pinpoint it and you can go back to your life and realize you're not crazy.
But like, I'm very fortunate between being a comic and then also working sales jobs.
Sales jobs are just about making money.
And even the women that I worked with, they don't, none of this stupid bullshit exists.
They all had filthy mouths.
It was just not this corporate landscape.
But I know someone recently, they were at their job, they were forced to take like a course, an ADL run course or whatever.
And just talk about getting bitched out at work where you get paired up into a group and they run you through these scenarios or you have to write essays and pieces from the point of view of, and I'm not going to give the specifics because I didn't take the class, so I don't want, but like of the point of view of that there's things like microaggressions, like how, you know, where you got to sit down and write the essay question of how does the following rep how does telling someone you understand their opinion represent a microaggression?
That's fucking propaganda where you got to write an essay from somebody else's point of view and you can't speak up because it's at your job and now you're already pinned as being arrested racist if you don't buy into this idea that there's a thing called microaggressions.
That's called being bitched out at your job.
And that should not be certainly there shouldn't be companies that are being paid with federal budget as a part of your training that you're forced to do this.
It's called, that's what it is.
It's fucking like that.
That's what they did in Chinese military camps.
They made you sign off documents agreeing with like the Chinese, whatever.
And then it became easier to in interrogations because people want to justify their earlier actions.
You know what I mean?
It's fucking forced brainwashing.
Yeah.
And you can call it what you want, but you're bitching out adult males at work for having different opinions than you and putting them in a structure where they're not allowed to be like, well, I don't want to sit through this class.
This is not what I feel or believe in.
Yeah.
And it, no, I completely agree.
And it should be, if you're able to just specify a few of the core views that are taught in these fucking, you know, diversity training programs, this critical race theory garbage, you can have a very strong argument.
The vast majority of people do not believe in this shit.
They do not, because it's insane.
Which is why they have to force it, which is why they have to work these back channels and make it so that like, you know, you're a bad corporation unless you're placating to this.
It's really ridiculous.
That's right.
And there's lots of examples of that where the, you know, you know, like it reminds me of like the Tucker Carlson thing where he has trouble getting advertisers, but he's the number one show in cable news.
You know what I mean?
So it's like, well, there's a whole bunch of people who really like this guy.
And then there's a small group of people who are, you know, like fucking creating all this fucking shit for, you know, like this shitstorm that's going to come at the corporations.
And so they back down to those people.
But if you're just out there using the bully pulpit, if you're trying to win over people, there's a lot of people who are going to be against this shit.
So I did, I thought that Trump did not do a very good job with his response to that.
The thing about like, well, they're anti-America and we're pro-America.
It's just not quite specific enough.
And you let he let Chris Wallace and Joe Biden present it as, oh, it's racial sensitivity training.
What are you, racially insensitive?
You know, and so I just thought he could have done a lot better.
And that was also another county Chris Wallace moment of why we only have an hour and a half in this debate.
And that's one of the core things that you're going to focus on.
And you're going to ask it in this kind of already, highly editorialized way.
Yeah, no, absolutely.
It's fucking insane that with all the shit this country's gone through this year, that this is even something we're talking about.
But since the, you know, the fact that he actually used the word critical race theory in a presidential debate, it was like, to me, that was a big opportunity to let people know who really don't know.
The vast majority of people really don't know what that shit is.
And all it would take is a leader who actually knew stuff.
Unfortunately, that's not Donald Trump.
Donald Trump knowing stuff isn't really his strong suit.
And but for someone to be like, excuse me, American people, do you know what critical race theory is?
Okay, here's what it is.
And just very quickly, you know what I mean?
Like you could break it down for him.
And it's, you know, John should have listened to our episode on that.
Last question I got for you.
Do you think with the format as is where it's supposed to be you get two minutes to answer the questions that the other guy's mics should be off or that they're like there really shouldn't be a format?
Because it is a little bit crazy that you can totally say something derogatory or not true about the other guy.
Like you can go as far as calling him a racist or saying his tax plan will add $2 trillion when it would save it.
Like there's kind of a difference between being able to make your point and just totally say something not true with the other guy and he has to just stand there.
But then there's also, we're agreeing, hey, each person gets their two minutes.
I don't know.
The format where it's like you do agree, hey, two minute answers, but you're able to interrupt does seem like a little bit, you know, I don't know.
Not Playing by Debate Rules00:07:08
It's like you're, it's, this guy's up to bat.
Like, you don't, you got to not have a bat in your hands and throw the pitch.
Yeah, you can't just be prodding a guy with your bat while he's supposed to be batting him.
This is a pitch, man.
Honestly, I mean, look, this is kind of what I was getting into at the beginning.
It's, this is all bullshit.
It's the most ridiculous.
All of this is the most ridiculous way to have a debate, but this is the problem with democracy.
You're playing to the dumb voters like greatly outnumber the informed voters.
So it's, I don't think turning off the microphones works.
You want to hear these guys.
They have to be able to go at each other a little bit.
And the two-minute format is so that they go at each other.
So now don't be upset if they're interrupting or going at each other.
That's the fight you're looking to have.
Look, man, it's like this, right?
Like I always say, you know, bare knuckle boxing, but saying we don't want any cuts here.
Well, then put on the gloves.
Right.
Look, there's the state is the mafia masquerading as a human rights organization.
And politics is the theater by which they attempt to convince you that they are in fact a human rights organization.
The debate is not about illuminating issues and airing a difference of opinion so that all of the American people can benefit from it or whatever other bullshit they try to sell this as.
So I don't fucking like to me, I'm like, make it an entertaining food fight then.
Why not?
Have you ever listened to any of these other debates?
Anyone who's actually informed on policy issues or really like has an understanding of any of this shit has never thought that any of these debates ever illuminated anything.
They're all, it's all just nonsense.
That's what all of it is.
And so, you know, that's what pisses me off about the narrative that like, oh, you know, who really lost were the American people.
It's like, yeah, okay, but that's nothing new.
That's always the case with these things.
I mean, how the fuck could you, I mean, just think about even in theory, right?
Like, let's say, to like your, your question, let's say they were absolutely respectful and nobody interrupted or there was very minimal interruptions or something like that.
It's like, okay, so we're going to take the most complex, nuanced, important, life-affecting, you know, policies that are really relevant to the American people and you get two minutes and then I get two minutes.
How fucking dumb is that?
Like, how dumb is that?
I literally, I just recorded a state of the union with Ari Shafier.
We did two parts.
We did, I think, three and a half hours for the first podcast and four and a half hours for the second one.
And that's all on this last year because it takes fucking time to really get into it and talk about what's going on with all of the different angles and all of the different factors in the backstory.
And well, this is what happened and this is what breaks down.
And here's how I look at it.
The idea of I get two minutes, you get two minutes.
This is just designed for soundbite slogans that don't get into anything.
And so, yeah, of course we lose.
We always lose.
But it's like the same thing with the Trump presidency in general.
And this is why people like so many of these people get the feel.
They're like, I think you're a Trump supporter or something like that.
It's like, no, I'm just not going to treat Trump as a unique evil.
I just see him in the lineage of evil presidents.
And yeah, he's the latest one and he's weirder than the other ones.
But I'm not going to act like, oh my God, all of a sudden the president is evil.
Like, yeah, they're all evil.
They all do tons of fucked up shit.
But like, so I'm just not going to act like, oh, my God, all of the sudden one of these debates didn't illuminate the issues.
They never do.
That's not what this is about.
That's not what this game is.
You know, like, go look at like a Soho forum debate.
That's the game they're playing.
An academic intellectual exchange of ideas, a competition of who has the more compelling case.
That's not the game that fucking Trump and Biden are playing.
They're playing who can fucking bring out, you know, like the fucking, I don't know, the fucking person who knows nothing about any of this shit, who can sway them to pull a lever for me.
At the end of the debate, it looked like Milani actually liked Trump.
That was a rare sight.
Oh, yeah, I missed that.
Oh, she walked over so lovingly.
Oh, yes.
No, I'm sorry.
You know what?
I did see that.
And she walked over kind of with a smile on her face.
She was into it.
Yeah, I guess there's one other factor that I didn't even really think about going into the debate.
Just there's so many other things on my mind.
I was like, oh, yeah, it's not going to be a regular audience.
Like that's kind of affects it.
And it would have been interesting to see how much different that would have gone down with like a packed room.
Because if nothing else, I mean, you know, people can say whatever they want to, but that shit was entertaining, man.
That was really, truly entertaining.
And it would have been interesting to get the dynamic of like a live crowd.
So anyway, that's just a final thought.
Okay.
So any other final thoughts on this?
I, you know, I think my guess is Joe Biden will have to do the next ones.
I think that the corporate press narrative is desperate and not effective.
And I got to say, to me, and I watched it, I re-watched it.
I watched it last night and then I watched it again this morning just to kind of go over it again and make sure.
Because this is everything I'm saying was basically my take after watching the debate.
Then I was like, let me just rewatch this and make sure I'm not like fucking getting this wrong.
But I'm saying to you, listen, it was great and it was a win for Trump.
And you look at it and the whole thing was like chaos and insane and interrupting and all of this.
But what you had was basically Donald Trump walking down Joe Biden, swinging haymakers, missing a lot of them, landing a few of them.
But Joe Biden, like, you know, like in a fight, sometimes you see when a guy's just moving forward and he's just pressing the guy up against the cage and he's just the guy's constantly backing up.
And they'll say, like Rogan or someone will say at some point, they'll be like, he's got to do something to get his respect.
Like, you got to throw something hard enough that he's a little bit worried to just walk forward.
And Biden just didn't, it's like he couldn't throw anything that would get Donald Trump's respect enough for him to like take a step back.
And so then Wallace comes in and it's basically Biden and Wallace versus Trump.
And I just look here and I see the optics of all of it.
And it's this one guy just plowing forward.
And the other guy's like, hey, hey, you know, come on.
Mr. President, please.
And to me, that's.
He's laughing like a dick at points.
Oh, yeah, the laughing stuff.
I thought that was bad.
I just don't, I don't think it plays well.
So it was entertaining.
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We'll see what happens.
Who's moderating the next ones?
I'd have to check.
I'm not sure.
I read about it a couple ago, I think, but I can't remember.
Well, I assume CNN's doing one of them and then who usually does the third?
I don't know.
You know, I don't know.
I'd have to check on that, but they're coming up pretty soon.
So that'll be fun.
We got some fun in the next month.
And this is, you know, it's quite a shit show.
But, you know, hey, what are you going to do?
It's just a country falling apart.
Susan Page is moderating the next one.
She sounds like she sucks.
What network is that?
You know?
So anyway, well, it was a fucking hell of a show.
USA.
Oh, USA Today.
Okay.
So, you know, anyway, it'll be fun.
This one was enjoyable.
I like breaking this shit down.
And we'll be here doing that.
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