Dave Smith and Robbie Bernstein dissect the Libertarian Party's mishandling of a violent mob attack on Rand Paul, contrasting it with Hillary Clinton's call for Joe Biden to never concede. They analyze the dangers of 80 million mail-in ballots, reject both major candidates while deeming Trump the lesser evil, and critique media narratives surrounding police violence and Donald Trump's "loser" comments. Ultimately, the episode argues that authoritarian alt-right elements within major institutions pose a greater threat to liberty than progressive marches, necessitating a hardline stance against political concession. [Automatically generated summary]
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Apology and Government Overreach00:14:26
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Here's your host, Dave Smith.
Hey, what's up, everybody?
Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem.
I can't believe my eyes.
We are joined once again by the king of the caulks, the fire, Robbie Bernstein.
Of course, I'm Dave Smith.
What's going on, Rob?
How are you?
What is the latest saga in the war against optimum?
I mean, clearly, I can tell that you've won at least a little battle because you're here with us now.
Yes, luckily, the internet is connected today, but the fight rages on.
I'm a little bit disappointed.
I would have thought that the fans would have marched with me on Washington by now.
It doesn't seem like there's a real outpouring of support.
So I'm pivoting strategies and I'm trying to figure out who these people are married to and how I can have sex with them.
All right.
Sounds good.
I mean, it's an appropriate response.
We do, our fans, the listeners of this great, wonderful show, they're an army, but they're a lot like the Shiite army in Iraq that we propped up.
Remember when ISIS came in and all you saw was a bunch of army uniforms?
Like they're an army, but when it comes to a force like ISIS, or in this case, Optimum, they might just strip off their uniforms and bail with all the money that we've been sending them for years.
So just know that going in.
I'll have my victory.
I will get my written apology and platter of sandwiches.
It will happen.
I don't think you're going to get the sandwiches.
Oh, no.
I'm going to get a written apology and a platter of sandwiches or this word.
This is going to kind of be like Trump when he said Mexicans will pay for the wall.
Like you're like, I'm kind of going to build it.
Like you're going to buy your sandwiches, but then somehow be like optimum paid for it or something like that.
You mean with the refund that they gave me for the couple days and I didn't have internet?
No, no, no, no.
And there's going to be a delicious platter of optimum sandwiches.
It's going to happen.
You just wait and see.
All right.
I like, you know, I try to believe in you, but this one seems unlikely, that it's unlikely going to happen.
Okay, quick reminder before we get into a show.
We got a lot of fun stuff to talk about today.
Before we get into that, one more reminder that I have my debate with Andy Craig of the Cato Institute, which got all types of heated and childish, and it was quite a fun shit show.
That will be out on Monday.
However, if you want to go listen to it right now, all you have to do is become a supporting listener to the Lions of Liberty.
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So I think that that above anything else is just awesome that we were able to give them kind of like a shot in the arm and get some more attention on that show.
So I just wanted to mention that one more time.
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So I love those guys.
They're OGs in the libertarian world.
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Brian and John, I, you know, I can't stand for, you know, I can't put my stamp of approval on them.
Brian might be a member of Al-Qaeda.
I don't know for sure, but I can't say that he's not.
But Mark, solid dude, solid dude, loves freedom, loves this country, loves Hulk Holgen.
You're really all over the place these days.
You're still doing gas digital.
You've got nudes on OnlyFans.
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Really, a lot going on.
It's impressive.
I'm getting stoned on cushy dreams for Twitter.
Some would say I'm spreading myself too thin.
No, no, no.
I feel like Dave Smith.
Yes.
I think I'm taking on a load that I can handle.
That's my take.
Libertarian Tupac.
I can do a lot of different things.
I can act.
I can rap.
I can shoot people.
All that stuff.
Okay.
So I wanted to talk about this kind of silly thing, but maybe not so silly.
But before we get into some of the more serious stuff, so I don't know if you saw there was the Libertarian Party gotten a little bit more hot water over a tweet, shocker.
Now, my purpose of this is not really just to fucking rip the LP.
I do plenty of that, and it's just about always well-deserved.
And I'm sure I'll do some more coming up.
But it's more about like kind of the, I think there's a broader, interesting conversation around what happened.
So about how libertarians should feel about certain things or how we should respond and present ourselves and cancel culture and a lot of other things.
So the Libertarian Party.
So Conan O'Brien, you know, famous comedian who's, you know, was host of the Tonight Show at one point, is host of his show on TBS, I believe, still.
I used to be a huge fan of Conan O'Brien, like when I was in high school and he was on the late show.
And I like Conan a lot.
I think he was a writer for The Simpsons for a long time.
I think he's a very funny comedian, but he tweeted out a joke, you know, silly joke about libertarians.
But he tweeted bad news.
The Libertarian Convention has been canceled due to the participants' moms being unwilling to give them a ride.
You know, it's fine.
Fine joke about libertarians, whatever.
And very Conan style joke.
And then some Rando tweeted out, also, Rand Paul is afraid someone on the sidewalk might yell at him.
And then the Libertarian Party, the official blue check mark, Libertarian Party, tweeted back, you might spook him.
This got a lot of people upset and rightfully so.
Now, I do want to say that the Libertarian Party apologized.
They deleted the tweet.
They apologized for the tweet.
And from what I've heard, the person who tweeted it was fired.
Now, I don't, you know, I don't know if this was a fireable offense or not.
It's debatable.
But if that's the decision they made, I understand why.
Whatever.
My point is, I just want to disclaim by saying I'm not trying to beat up on them.
I appreciate that they deleted it, apologized for it.
Whatever.
Everyone makes mistakes.
It's fine.
Move on from that.
But I just did want to say why people were offended by that joke is because what happened to Rand Paul, and I've actually gotten in this argument with several people, but what happened to Rand Paul was not people yelling at him.
That's not like really a fair way to describe what happened to him.
What happened to him was absolutely an attack.
I mean, he was, him and his wife were surrounded by a mob of people.
It's probably somewhere in the ballpark of 100 people who would not let them move.
They surrounded them.
Now, according to both Rand and Kelly Paul, they were threatening to kill them.
They were screaming, say her name, referring to this Taylor lady who Rand Paul wrote a bill named after, which, so it's just stupid, but they were screaming, say her name, or you're going to die tonight.
I mean, they were like, so they both, I think, for good reason, especially given everything that's been going on in the country, were like, you know, they're in a state of being like, holy shit, are we going to get stomped out on the floor right now?
Now, to do this, you know, I wonder sometimes the people who are like downplaying it, my guess is they go like, you must not be married, right?
Like, or have a girlfriend or like, well, I mean, who is okay with doing this to someone when they're with their wife?
Even if you're okay with doing it to a guy to begin with, when he's with his wife, really?
I mean, this is, you know, the idea.
Like, I think libertarians particularly should be sophisticated enough to realize that you don't actually have to touch someone to violate the non-aggression principle.
Like, if I, it's not like if I, uh, I don't know, if someone ran up to someone with a gun and pointed it at them and said, I'm about to fucking kill you.
And then like left away, they say, What?
I just spoke to him.
Is this guy?
Oh, were you, were you all affected by because you didn't like the words that I said?
It's like, no, that was obviously an aggression.
Like that, that's obviously violence.
Like, that's not just saying.
So they say, oh, okay, they didn't have a gun, but there's a hundred of them surrounding a guy with his wife.
I mean, yeah, that's they were pushing the police officers.
At one point, they pushed the cop right into Rand Paul.
Um, this is this was way like, like, I don't want to like say something that's going to uh get me in trouble here or get me like uh uh kicked off one of these uh sites or something, but if a let's just say that if a group of people, if a hundred people surrounded my wife and wouldn't let her move, I'd be quite willing for some very unpleasant things to happen to those people.
You'd bust out the kung fu skills, you'd work through them.
Obviously, well, they're not going to fuck with a libertarian Tupac like that, but I'm just saying, I'm just saying what I'd be okay with happening.
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So, yeah.
Anyway, I don't know.
I'm holding back from saying what I would be okay with happening, but let your imagination run wild about what you think I would be okay with.
And I promise you, I'm okay with that.
Okay, so that's what people are upset about.
And it seems like a weird thing in this political climate to be joking around about.
Now, anyway, I want to give a shout out to Justin Amash.
Justin Amash immediately tweeted he apologized to Rand Paul on behalf of the Libertarian Party and said, This is horrible.
Rand Paul's a great guy.
He's with us in the cause of a lot of things and blah, blah, blah.
shouldn't do this.
And that, I think, is what led to the Libertarian Party being like, oh shit, this is a, you know, if the only sitting member of Congress who's a member of the Libertarian Party is even against this, we probably, it's not just, you know, the Dave Smiths of the world who are against this.
It's also fucking our guy.
So we better delete this and evidently fire the person.
So I just thought, you know, it was kind of interesting.
I saw a few people kind of say something along the lines of they were like, you know, Dave, are you really, after all your railing against cancel culture, okay with someone getting fired for a joke that they made?
Which on the surface, I will admit, like maybe there's some point to that, right?
Like there, it was a joke that was made and someone did get fired over it.
But I think, like, I don't know.
It's really a matter of the environment, the forum, like how it's being said, the context.
This is not a comedian making a joke.
This isn't some YouTube personality making a joke.
This is the third biggest political party in America, you know, from their official blue check Twitter account, joking about an act of violence that just happened to a senator and his wife in the environment where there's a lot of political or politicized violence going on.
I think it's kind of different.
And I don't think it's hypocrisy to be okay with this person being fired and not want a comedian to be fired for making a joke.
Just to say that, like, if somebody, let's say me and you were hanging out at Skankfest and you made some type of fucking, you know, like really crude joke and we're all laughing about it.
And then I like brought you to have dinner with my in-laws and you made the exact same crude joke at dinner.
I might be like, Bro, what the fuck are you doing?
And if I said that at SkankFest, you'd be like, dude, what do you mean?
What am I doing?
Because it's like there's different environments and some are okay and some aren't.
Now, I am okay with wildly offensive jokes.
I love them.
I make them all the time and all my friends do.
And I love that.
But if even the jokes that I really like that are wildly offensive, if the Libertarian Party was tweeting them from the Libertarian Party Twitter, I'd be like, what the fuck is wrong with you guys?
Like, don't put this out as you're, you're in the business of being a political party.
I'm in the business of being a comedian.
It's just different.
The Double Standard of Racism00:08:14
So there's that element of it.
I don't think it's hypocrisy.
And I don't really think it's cancel culture either.
You didn't call for them to be canceled.
Oh, no, I didn't call for the person to be fired.
I just called the LP out.
I think if anything, firstly, there's a joke that they could say that we'd probably go, oh, that's funny.
In this case, I think they're constantly kind of missing what we believe to be the tone and the flavor of the party and that they're like really steering the ship in the wrong direction.
So for us to point out that here's another case where they seem to be missing the values of the party, I don't know that that's.
Yes, I agree.
And just to build on what you're saying, I think one of the things that's so frustrating to me and so frustrating about the, you know, we covered this on the episode about late Rothbard and we've covered this on Joe, when we're talking about Joe Jorgensen's tweets and all of this stuff.
But it's like, why are we always, and when I say we, the Libertarian Party, not us, why is the Libertarian Party always catering to the group that's that's obviously less likely to like you at the expense of the group who's obviously more likely to like you?
Like, who do you think is more likely to be sympathetic to the libertarians?
The Conan O'Brien fans who are mocking us or Rand Paul fans.
Just you tell me who is more likely to be like, yeah, I kind of like libertarianism, Rand Paul supporters or the left-wingers mocking us in a threat.
Why are you so quick to want to like suck up to them when there's this other group who you could like appeal to that's much better?
Like, I just don't see, and I see this a lot.
It's like there's like riots going on, and then there's the people apologizing for the riots.
So you have the people apologizing for the riots, or you have the people affected by the riots.
Who do you think is more likely to want to hear a message of protecting private property?
I don't know.
Seems like one's pretty obvious to me.
It just doesn't really, you know, who do you think is going to be very open to a message of private property rights and gun rights?
The people terrorized by the riots or the people throwing bricks through, you know, storefront windows.
My guess would be the people terrorized.
And it just seems like there's a lot of that.
You know, there was one point that when I was debating Andy, probably one of the more, one of his more, you know, contentious points in the debate is that he, you know, he mentioned me quoting, he mentioned a quote of mine as something I said along the lines of like that that anti-white racism is far more socially acceptable today than any other form of racism.
And he and I mentioned that and I was like, yeah.
And he started laughing, you know, and I was like, well, look, here's how I feel about it, right?
Like you can argue, you could certainly argue that there's a reason why anti-white racism is more acceptable.
Saying something like, you know, white silence is violence or white people have privilege or, you know, all white people are racist or whatever, you know, the shit that you hear all the time.
You could understand why there's a double standard and maybe you could argue for it.
And in some cases, I think that makes sense, right?
Like Cain Velasquez, who was the UFC heavyweight champion at one point, one of the greatest heavyweights to ever fight, he had brown pride tattooed on his chest, okay?
It's a proud Mexican dude.
Now, if someone had white pride tattooed on their chest, they would not be, that would not be okay.
No one thinks twice about Cain Velasquez having brown pride, but white pride, no, I don't know if that's completely ridiculous.
I mean, it is a different statement to say white pride than it is to say brown pride in this context.
I don't know.
I mean, you could argue, you could make an argument there whether that's appropriate or not, but I could understand someone in good faith arguing why they think it's okay to say brown pride, but not white pride, why it's okay to say, you know, we wouldn't even think twice if some black, you know, activist was like, I just care about the black community.
I want to see more jobs in the black community.
I want a good future for black children.
No one would think twice about that.
If some white guy said, I just care about the white community.
I want to see a future safe for white children or something like that.
Like everyone would be like up in arms, like, oh my God, this is the worst thing ever.
No, my only point is you can defend why that double standard exists, but to deny that it exists just seems like, come on.
I mean, now you're just, you're just laughing because you're afraid to even acknowledge what we all know is reality, which that there is this double standard, at least in terms of what is acceptable behavior in polite society.
Now, that's fine.
Maybe there should be some degree of a double standard.
Maybe it's like, well, certain groups have gone through this shit in the past and so blah, blah, blah, whatever.
Maybe.
However, it's gotten to a point where it's pretty vicious.
It's like that you, you can be pretty viciously anti-white and nobody will have a problem with it, or maybe not nobody, but it's not going to get you fired.
It's not going to get, you know, it's not like going to be a big problem for you in your life.
And I certainly understand for libertarians where, okay, I understand you wouldn't want to take a position that could alienate other people, but why is it that like, look, the vast majority of libertarians are white men.
That's just a fact.
That's the truth.
For whatever reason, that's the truth.
So why do we have to shit on the demographic that is our majority?
It just doesn't make any sense just from a strategic point of view.
Look, I love that Maj Ture is out doing what he's doing and Eric July is out doing what he's doing.
I want to pull more libertarians in from any direction we can.
But why would we like support a system that fucking alienates the people most likely to come over to this message?
Just seems stupid.
I'm on board.
I think that's fair.
You know, and also on top of that, I also just think it's wrong.
I mean, I would think it was wrong if it happened to any race of people.
I mean, I've, you know, heard stories.
I mean, you know, when they're like, there are corporations that are sending like only their white executives to diversity training.
I mean, like, I know, you know, I've told the story before, but my brother, when he was in college, my brother's much younger than me.
He's like in his 20s now, but when he was in college, he's a writer, a very talented writer.
And when he was in college, he would like, you know, is in like these creative writing programs and he'd write a story with like an aggressive character in it.
And they'd go around the room and critique it.
And literally the critique would be like, well, as a white man, I don't really think you should be writing a story with an aggressive person.
Like this is the culture in college campus.
Now, if they did that with any race, I would be appalled by it.
Whether the training, you know, re-education programs or the creative writing judgment or any of that, I'd be appalled by that.
They sat around like and judged some black kids writing and went, well, as a black, you really shouldn't write like this.
I mean, it's, you know, it'd be outrageous.
So why can't I also feel that way when it happens to white people?
I just don't like, why am I not allowed to fucking be against that?
Doesn't it doesn't make you a racist to acknowledge that.
It's actually, actually, I'm being an anti-racist.
I'm doing what Joe Jorgensen demanded of all of us.
Okay.
So just wanted to cover that story.
Props to the Libertarian Party for deleting and apologizing the post.
Props to Justin Amash for standing up to all of them.
Too bad for that person who got fired, if they did in fact get fired.
But, you know, I'm sure you'll figure out some other social justice libertarian-y type things to do with your life.
All right.
Moving on.
So here's the more serious topic and a really interesting topic that I wanted to talk about today.
Election Legitimacy Concerns00:09:32
I think this is a really big deal in terms of the presidential election.
And I'm almost kind of surprised that I didn't think about this until it was forced into my brain.
One thing I would say to keep in mind as we listen to this next clip that we're about to play, nothing is said in a presidential election year and especially two months out from a presidential election.
Nothing is said by anyone in the corporate press, but particularly within the Democratic or Republican establishment and particularly the Democratic establishment that is not with the program.
And what I mean by that, meaning that like, okay, so when Nancy Pelosi, remember, did you see this a couple of weeks ago?
When she just threw out the idea and she was like, Don't tell Joe that I said this, but I don't think Joe Biden should even debate Donald Trump.
I don't think I wouldn't even, you know, legitimize him with a debate, right?
Now, obviously, she's not actually saying, Don't tell Joe Biden.
She's already spoke with Joe Biden's campaign about this.
This isn't some, it's not like the speaker of the house is randomly throwing out this idea and the campaign has no idea that she's doing that.
This is all coordinated.
What she's doing is putting out a feeler and seeing, hey, what's the reaction?
What's the reaction to the idea of Joe Biden not even going to the debates?
Because they have to figure out, as we've been talking about for a while, what is a bigger risk?
What's the bigger risk here?
Is the bigger risk that not showing up to the debates makes us look weak and incompetent and unable to lead?
Or is the bigger risk Joe Biden shows up to the debates and looks weak and incompetent and not able to lead?
That's what they're juggling here.
So they had Nancy Pelosi throw out the idea, test the waters, see how people respond to it.
But just understand that if you hear something right now from Barack Obama, this isn't just Obama's thoughts.
This is Obama is a surrogate for the campaign right now.
If you hear something from, you know, Nancy Pelosi, if you hear something from any of these guys, and if you hear something from Hillary Clinton, that is also the case, especially if it's like, say, a highly produced, intentionally put out there piece by Hillary Clinton.
So, speaking of, here's what Hillary Clinton just said, and I think it's really important we all listen to it.
So, we've got to have a massive legal operation.
I know the Biden campaign is working on that.
We have to have poll workers.
And I urge people who are able to be a poll worker.
We have to have our own teams of people to counter the force of intimidation that the Republicans and Trump are going to put outside polling places.
This is a big organizational challenge, but at least we know more about what they're going to do.
And, you know, Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances because I think this is going to drag out.
And eventually, I do believe he will win if we don't give an inch.
How did she manage to have conversations with younger her from the past?
That was one of her campaign managers from back in 2016.
But this is really, I mean, this was a remarkable thing to be said two months out of an election that they're claiming they're very confident they're going to win.
Now, I've seen a lot of people try to downplay, like, oh, Hillary Clinton didn't really say anything there.
She didn't, you know, it's like, no, no, she did.
She said that Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances.
Any there's she's not leaving a lot to the imagination there.
Number one, she's saying he shouldn't concede no matter what, no matter what happens.
We are going to do what, and basically, Hillary Clinton has never conceded.
I mean, okay, she did the night after she lost, came out and gave that little speech, but like she's basically maintained that it was stolen from her this whole time.
And they're basically telling you right now that, yeah, that's going to be the same reaction.
They will never acknowledge that Donald Trump beat them.
That just will not happen.
And you think something like that might delegitimize our democracy.
I mean, that's something that they're very afraid about.
The people who are so concerned about that.
So number one, it's really interesting to let you know that this is their plan.
They do not, I mean, it doesn't matter if Donald Trump just destroys Bernie Sanders in this election.
You still don't concede.
Now, the other thing that was really interesting about that, and perhaps I did not, and I should have been.
It's a shame on me because I should have really thought about this more.
But it's something for Hillary Clinton, right?
Like, you would think usually the type of things that you'd hear from a campaign surrogate, from somebody who's endorsed, you know, Joe Biden, who was the Secretary of State while he was the vice president, two months out from the election, you'd hear, you know, when Joe Biden is president or Joe Biden, that's why we're going to win in November, this type of thing.
Hillary Clinton said, I believe with lawyers after the election, we will end up winning.
Like, she goes, I believe that eventually that we're going to have this long played out process, but eventually Joe Biden will win.
That's really interesting.
I mean, like, okay, in the year 2000, this is the, you know, when it was Bush versus Gore, you know, there was this like recount.
It all came down to Florida.
It ended up going to the Supreme Court.
It was a whole thing.
But no one was saying like two months out, this is our plan.
Our plan is to get lawyers involved and go all the way and argue it in court, you know?
Here's what's so fucked up about this.
So the whole idea of voting as a theoretical is that your vote might count.
Your vote might count.
You might end up with a Florida situation where it's so close that your vote actually made a difference.
Except, you know what happens when they find out that your vote actually becomes that close?
All of a sudden they start looking and they realize, oh, we're missing ballots over here.
Oh, these ballots never came in.
And then they start getting a little bit screwy because they're like, someone better just concede this because if we have to actually look into the weeds, I'm not sure that we have a legitimate election on our hands.
So even when it comes down to your vote actually counting, guess what?
It doesn't fucking matter because they'll just end up conceding it to hide basically cover for the system that the thing's a fucking sham.
Yeah.
No, no, absolutely.
But you know what's a really fucking interesting thing, though?
So this is, I mean, you're right.
And that's like, you know, basically what happened in the year 2000.
But this is going to be unlike any other.
Well, they're already setting it up with all the mail and stuff that you got on the Democrat side.
They're going, mail-in voting is safer.
We want to encourage as much mail-in voting as possible.
And Trump's screaming and yelling about this because he wants to set up that he can contest the election.
And then you got Barr saying they're just fucking sending out ballots.
And by the way, Trump's claim, which I mean, it's illegal, but he'd be saying people should double vote.
But I'd like to know, so what are we doing to ensure like Trump was basically saying with confidence, go ahead, double vote.
I promise you your vote's going to count twice.
And they were like, don't do that.
Absolutely don't do that.
That's illegal.
We're going to send you to jail if you do that.
But are they going to be doing that to some extent just to test the system?
This seems just like they're setting this up for both sides to be able to claim, hey, this is a fucking bogus election.
Right now, they're projecting that 80 million people are going to vote by mail.
How many people usually even vote in the election?
Usually, well, I'll say Trump got 63 million.
Hillary got 65 million.
I'm saying Gary Johnson got like 3 million.
So, you know, it's 8 over 12.
Huh?
What's 8 over 12?
I'm not good at math.
Over 12?
Oh, I don't know.
Don't start putting me on the spot to do math in the middle of this podcast and showing all of our loyal listeners that I'm actually a retard.
But no, 60%.
Probably percent.
So you're saying something like 130 million people vote somewhere in that ballpark.
I think this year it's going to be way, way up from that.
But they're looking at around 80 million.
80 million Americans voting by mail.
Now, just on the amount of like lost mail, how many ballots are going to be lost here?
This is, we're looking at something that is going to be a shit show.
Like this is going to be a shit show.
It's all, this is probably going to come down to lawyers contesting this whole thing.
And the thing that's crazy about that is that then no matter who ends up winning, it's not going to be seen as legitimate.
Now, look, there's part of this, right, that I kind of love.
There's almost something beautiful about the fact that trust in institutions across the board, whether it's government, the media, all this shit is crumbling.
And now the fact that there'd be no trust in the democratic process, I kind of love that.
The problem is that there's fucking riots going on all across the country.
And you really wonder.
Trust in Crumbling Institutions00:02:36
So just imagine now.
We've already thought about the possibility of what the violence is going to be like if Trump wins.
There was just a piece in the Washington Post talking about this yesterday, talking about how there's going to be violence in the streets if Trump wins.
But imagine when there's violence in the streets when Trump wins.
And it's completely ambiguous as to whether he won or not.
Not like last year where it's just, oh, he lost the popular vote, but he did win, you know, the way we play the game.
No, this is going to be like, there's going to be fucking probably a couple million ballots that are just missing.
This is going to be insane.
And then I wonder what happens also if Biden wins.
I mean, I don't think Trump supporters are going to be going on a violent rampage in the streets, but it will fracture the country in a different type of way.
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But look, here's how I feel, right?
Voting for Trump's Loss00:08:58
I genuinely think that, look, I'm probably not going to vote.
That's the truth.
Where I live is a blue state.
It's going blue.
I've been completely uninspired by the Jorgensen Cohen campaign.
I just think third parties, I have a slightly higher threshold or not threshold.
I have a higher bar for them.
You got to fucking win my vote and convince me to come out and actually spend time.
You know, anytime that I spend away from, I got a one and a half year old little girl.
Anytime I spend away from her when I'm not working, that means something to me.
That's a precious little moment.
I'll never get back.
You got to convince me to go out and vote for you.
And I just think that they've just done too much of making giving libertarianism a bad name.
I don't want to be a part of something, particularly in today's environment that's pandering to the left.
I just don't want to be a part of something like that.
That being said, the Democrats deserve to lose more.
Okay, either Trump or Biden is going to be president.
Biden deserves to lose more.
That's how I feel.
Okay.
The Democrats, like I've said before, the Democrats deserve to be sent to the moon.
They deserve to be launched into orbit for many different things.
Okay.
For number one, for spending three years trying to convince the country that Donald Trump was in a conspiracy with Vladimir Putin when they knew full well that was bullshit.
They knew it was fucking bullshit.
They fucking spied on a presidential candidate.
They lied about what they found when they spied on him.
And then they tried to unseat a duly elected president of the United States of America for that alone.
And for the crime, by the way, of him saying that he wanted to fucking work with Putin to not fight so many wars in the Middle East.
They all, just for that alone, they all deserve to lose.
They deserve to lose.
But then what they've done by just destroying the economy with all of their governors pushing these fucking lockdowns by just how many millions of lives they've just fucked up with all that shit and then apologizing for the mass violence and pouring fire on all these racial tensions and all this shit.
They just, they deserve to lose more than Donald Trump.
That being said, for as much as they deserve to lose, Trump is just too bad on too many important issues for me to be able to cast a ballot for Donald Trump.
I just, what Donald Trump's like, like what he's done to the fucking people of Yemen, what him and the Saudi, you know, forget the fake collusion with Russia.
What he's done in collusion with the Saudi Arabians, to the people of Yemen, is to me a crime against humanity, much like Obama, Bush, and Clinton.
He should be fucking tried for war crimes and put in jail for the rest of his life at best.
And I just can't get past the spending and the debt.
I mean, the guy brags about the bills being the biggest bills and blah, blah, blah.
That being said, Joe Biden deserves to lose more than Donald Trump.
He deserves to lose more than Donald Trump.
I can't vote for either of them.
However, it might be better off for the country for Biden to win.
And I just want to be clear on what I'm saying here.
He doesn't deserve to.
Like, fuck him.
You don't deserve to be president because we're scared of the violence that's going to come if Donald Trump gets elected.
That's bullshit and you shouldn't vote based off that.
I would advise everyone not to.
I'm just saying, and this is almost coming to me as I think this through.
If Joe Biden wins by lawyers, you know, if Joe Biden wins the way Hillary Clinton fucking says he's going to win, by basically the fact that they made 80 million people vote by mail, and then the lawyers are able to outlawyer the Republican lawyers, and he's able to take it that way, then basically you might have a situation where there's not going to be as much rioting and violence because Trump didn't get reelected and they'll know that he's not the legitimate leader.
And that might be the best case scenario.
It might be.
Did you guys lose my internet there for a second?
You pause for a brief second, but I think we got it all up.
It just said my internet's unstable.
No, I think Biden, if he manages to get elected, is going to be a real disaster.
I just saw another headline about they're really trying to create economic policy around ending racial disparities.
Yeah, that stuff is fucking terrifying.
He's really pushing like a bad, like the worst of like the left agenda.
Also, I don't think he's going to make it through his terms.
You're probably going to have Kamala in charge at some point.
But it's pretty bad.
Yeah.
I also think that what you're describing of Trump coming along and then the country, you know, being fucking outraged.
I just wonder at some point if the Democrats are forced to actually take their losses, admit defeat, and maybe make some changes as opposed to what they've been trying to do so far, which is just, well, Trump is such a race.
Like, so I just wonder if maybe another victory, while yes, I think there probably will be some outrage.
I don't think that's going to last forever.
But I don't know.
I really like to see.
And also, I'm not voting for everything that you just said, but it would be interesting to see if Trump manages to win again, how the Dems are going to deal with that loss, if they're finally going to pivot from this socialist nonsense.
And also if Trump with another term might actually be able to give us some of the story of the deep state and what they, and also keep us out of wars.
Fucking Biden gets in there.
We're going to war.
Yeah.
Well, listen, there's no question in my mind that Trump is the lesser of two evils.
He's just too evil for me to support, but he is the lesser of two evils.
There's no question about that.
Look, the fucking major issues that like when I was a fucking, you know, when I first became a libertarian, like around 2008, and it was just, and it was pretty clear at the time where you were like, okay, well, the fucking the Republicans are terrible on war and they're terrible on the war on drugs, but they at least like claim to like the free market other than that, you know,
like not the Republican leaders as much, but like the Republican people.
You know, they'll agree with you about free market stuff, but they're really bad on war and, you know, cops.
The left-wing type people who you talk to who vote Democrat, they're really good on war and they're really good on the war on drugs, but they're terrible on economics.
And what's happened, you know, since then is that the right has gotten much better on those two issues.
They've gotten much better.
In fact, they elected a guy who was saying, let's end all these wars.
And they elected a guy who enacted criminal justice reform.
Not perfect, but it was something.
The left, meanwhile, has gotten drastically worse on war.
Now they're the ones putting up the Warhawks.
And on economics, they've gotten even worse than they were back then.
So yeah, I mean, I think Trump is the lesser of two evils.
And for that reason, you know, there are aspects that I'd rather him be president than Biden.
I almost just wonder like if it's better.
You know, you see what happened with the left under Donald Trump when like the resistance formed.
It almost brought them all together to have one common enemy.
And I wonder if that might actually be be beneficial for, you know, having a Democrat.
I'll tell you, this is a really scary scenario.
I was thinking of while you were talking.
Donald Trump, he's going, hey, we got the best V-shaped recovery you've ever seen.
Stock market's already picking back up.
Imagine if he runs office and it's this horribly contested election.
And then the new thing is Donald Trump is a straight up dictator.
Like that's the same way they went with the Russia collusion for a while.
They go, this guy's a dictator.
He didn't win this election.
He's not going to give it up at the end of the four years.
And then while he's in office, there's like the greatest oppression of American history while there's a leader in office that they've been saying half the country hates and they're calling a dictator.
I don't know that we'll have a civil war, but if we don't, you're next person because I think things tend to swing pretty violently.
It's very possible.
And it's a scary thought.
But we'll say maybe, you know, Trump has this figured out all along and he just needs another four years.
I mean, this guy, he's so confident.
Maybe give him a few more years, such economic growth.
He'll get that wall up.
He'll get China to make all the concessions we need.
We'll be best friends with Russia and we'll start paying down the debt.
Civil War and Economic Growth00:03:15
I don't know.
You know, he still believes in himself.
Yeah, I mean, well, he sure does.
Well, look, I do think that I mean, I don't know.
I didn't know 80 million people were going to vote by mail.
I didn't realize it was that much.
I don't buy it.
I don't buy that 66% of your typical voters are now going to be.
That's what they're saying.
Now, maybe, maybe it's wrong.
Maybe it doesn't, but this isn't like, oh, the margin of victory is voting by mail.
This is like more votes than the winner gets are voting by mail.
Maybe the numbers are off.
Do you know how many people typically do mail-in voting?
Typical elections.
I don't know.
I don't know.
But it's nothing like that.
Like absentee ballots and stuff like that.
I mean, I don't know exactly what the number is offhand.
But this is how fucked up our country is.
It's like, all right, I mean, the entire claim of government is, hey, we can handle this.
That's the claim of government.
We're out here, we can handle it.
And then when it comes to an elect, like, they can't even fucking handle that.
They can't even, and they're not willing to admit, like, hey, we got to delay this a month to actually figure it out and make sure it's going to work.
They'll just pretend like it's going to be fine to let it be a disaster.
It's like any other company in the world, you forecast for these things and they go, oh, we got to make sure that we have a working system.
Hey, guys, we got to delay this a month because we're going to have to do an online voting because there's a fucking pandemic and we got to shift what we're doing here.
You're the one people, no, it's fine.
It's fine.
It's fine.
And then just let it be the nightmare.
It's crazy.
Well, look, I think that at this point, with all of these X factors, whoever wins would have to win by a landslide.
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DC Biden and Kenosha giving his first live speech in a long time.
McCain Tactics and Spin00:15:54
He had a blunt.
It wasn't that bad, but he's like, if I stay up here too long, they're going to shoot me.
It was kind of a dumb line.
It's not like the worst bluster ever.
That didn't bother me so much.
You know what really bothers me?
It sounds like he's about to fall asleep.
He's like a guy in his deathbed.
He's like, this was terrible.
It was terrible.
The thing that actually really bothered me about that line, like, forget that they're going to shoot me.
I don't really give a shit about that.
That's actually fine to me.
But is that he was saying corporations should pay their fair share and we're going to do all this to corporations.
And, oh, I shouldn't, I can't tell you the rest.
They're going to shoot me.
As if we're supposed to believe that Joe Biden is such a threat to the establishment that big corporations are going to want to take him out.
It's just the idea that he could even try to present himself, this guy that's, oh, I'm a threat to the big corporations.
You don't want to get me in there.
They're like, oh my God, Joe Biden, the guy we've done business with since fucking black and white TVs, that guy's coming in.
Oh, no, he's going to make us pay our fair share.
Like, get the fuck out of here, dude.
You've been bankrolled by credit card companies your whole goddamn career.
I'm also fucking shooting you.
I also hated because this is like the underminer democracy and then reporting on him for two years while it's false.
That undermines the fucking democracy.
But then Biden going that the problem in this country is Trump and that he inflames or whatever where to use racial discord.
No, no, no.
The fucking media misrepresenting that cops are overly violent.
That creates racial discord.
If you want to actually say that there's a problem in this country that we can't be united and that people are flaming racial tensions, then why don't we actually point out the culprit, which is the media and their false reporting?
Dude, I mean, yeah, like I will, I will acknowledge that police violence, you know, flames the tensions, but then what is completely distorting the numbers and creating this goddamn myth that, you know, black people are just getting gunned down every day by cops.
Like, what does that do for the fucking, you know, the tension?
Someone actually gets people to protest and riot and burn down.
Someone says that's what false information does.
Some guy who's running for Congress, I guess, on the Libertarian Party, he tweeted to me or something.
He was tweeting in a thread that I was in, and he said, he said about Rand Paul.
He said, he deserves criticism after endorsing Trump.
Now, of course, he said this about Rand Paul being fucking attacked with his wife.
Does Rand Paul deserve criticism after endorsing Trump?
I mean, we criticized Rand Paul when he was giving that speech about Trump.
That doesn't mean I'm okay with him and his wife being surrounded.
But he tweeted at me.
He said, and we had been talking about the riots and things like that.
And he said, he deserves criticism after endorsing Trump, who is fueling the fire of divisiveness.
Now, that aside, that's like the line on Trump.
And I just responded.
I said, Trump is, quote, fueling the fire of divisiveness.
Okay, fine, sure.
How about the literal fires?
You know, the ones burning in cities across the country?
Who's fueling those?
So it's just like, I don't, you can say Trump is fueling the fires of divisiveness.
Like, okay, I guess I'm sure there's some truth to that.
But you can't just put that on him and not look around at every other, you know, like group involved too.
I mean, come on.
The fucking, the entire corporate press is fueling these fires as well.
The Democratic establishment has been talking about, you know, like you see some of these montages about all of these different Democrats talking about, you know, like kind of either promoting or apologizing or insinuating that violence against the other side should be the, you know, the move.
Don't don't act like that's just Trump who's doing that.
Like everyone would be together.
I mean, the establishment never gave him a chance.
And he's really there because the country is so divided.
So it can't all be his fault.
But again, I won't say that some of it's not his fault.
But like, how about, you know, since you don't like these metaphorical fires, how about the real fires?
How about literal fires?
Are those a problem?
Yeah, there's one other thing.
And I got to say that this story that if you've turned on cable news for the last 48 hours, they've been flipping out about this.
And it's really, it's one of these things that as I was saying on the last podcast, it's one of these things that reminds you that it seems like they just are incapable, shockingly, incapable of adapting to the moment that we're in. and realizing, oh, okay, these old tactics aren't going to work.
We need to adjust and try something new.
And they just keep trying the same old tactics.
But this Atlantic piece that was out that was basically saying that a bunch of anonymous sources say that Donald Trump called World War Marines losers and didn't want to go to some cemetery because there were losers there or whatever.
And they're taking it, like, this is this huge thing.
Donald Trump was disrespectful of the troops.
And you're watching them.
And I'm like, wait, really?
It's September already?
And this is what you're going with?
This is your ace in the hole.
Like, it reminds, it's like, you guys didn't realize that the E Hollywood tape of him saying grab him by the pussies didn't fucking take him down, but you think this will.
Like, haven't you realized yet that the fact that Donald Trump said something that only a jerk would say probably isn't going to be the thing that gets him?
Also, part of what they're criticizing him for is a pretty noble stance where he said more than once he's got a discontent, generally speaking, for war.
And his attitude on war is it hasn't achieved anything.
There's been, firstly, forget all the loss of life.
He's like, there isn't even any financial gain here, which I understand that perspective.
Like, I get why people are like, that's a fucking dick perspective, but I get it where he's just like, it's common sense.
He's like, there was no upside to this.
We're just losers by participating in this event.
And so I like it.
I don't think Donald Trump comes at it from the humanitarian point of view.
I think he comes at it from the business point of view and goes, this is bad business.
Part of his loser talk also, and you got to read the whole article because at one point they're like criticizing that he only went to a place four times.
And you're like, all right, you're really trying to put some spin on this.
And then also a lot of what they're accusing him for is that he lacks patriotism because he has a discontent for war.
And it's like, no, no, no, it's really good that this guy has discontent for war.
He's poking, you know, he's letting everyone know that it's a disaster.
But you know what?
I had a point at the end of that.
I forgot it.
Well, maybe it'll come back to you.
No problem.
You're engaged in a war with optimum.
You can't remember everything.
You know, I remember when John, obviously the thing that I think a lot of people think back to when they hear these accusations is when Donald Trump famously said, John McCain, I don't remember.
Did he say he was a creature?
Oh, that was great.
Yeah, I don't praise the people.
That's the loser.
Well, also what happened in the situation, if you were, it was Frank Luntz was interviewing Donald Trump and he was giving him a hostile interview and he kept interrupting him and kind of pushing back.
And Trump was getting into his Trump thing when you start being hostile with someone who's like, and then, you know, fake news, no, no, no, not true.
And then at one point, he was like, hey, look, there's John McCain.
This guy's terrible.
He insulted my people.
We have wonderful people, the best people.
And John McCain called them losers.
You know what, John McCain, you're the loser.
And he goes, well, I mean, he's a war hero.
And then Trump's already in the moment vamping.
So Trump just with no hesitation.
And this is something, I'm sorry, this was fucking beautiful, dude.
This is why Trump is amazing is that with no hesitation, like they try all these tactics.
And this is what I hate about political correctness in general, is that if you're like making some fucking point, then they try to do this thing where they go, uh-uh, oh, you're about to hit a third rail.
You got to stop.
You got to move back.
You got to apologize.
Trump just with no sense of shame, no apologies.
He just goes, oh, come on.
He's a war hero.
And he goes, yeah, he's a war hero because he got caught.
I like people who don't get caught.
And it is just like, you're like, holy shit.
It's just this moment where you're like, I can't believe this motherfucker just said this.
There's something weird about that.
What did you do?
You went to war and you got caught.
That makes you a hit.
How about the people that saved other people's lives and accomplished goals and missions?
Yes.
But the thing that's really amazing to me about it is that the whole media reaction, right?
And you could see there were a lot of moments like this in the 2016 campaign.
The whole media reaction was like, well, that's it.
You're done.
Nice little run you had here, Trump, but sorry, you criticized St. John McCain.
And the people simply won't stand for that.
I mean, the people love John McCain.
You know how I know?
Because everyone here at CNN does.
So obviously, this is how the entire country feels.
And realize that Trump's just talking to Republicans at this point.
This is the Republican primary.
It's not even, Democrats aren't even involved, just the Republicans, right?
And the general reaction of people wasn't like, oh my God, you can't criticize St. John McCain.
The general reaction of people was like, okay.
Anyway, so what are you saying?
You're going to control immigration and bring jobs back?
Okay.
No, we're with that.
Let's win.
They didn't care at all.
It meant nothing to them.
And there was something amazing about that where you go, oh yeah, look at this.
It's just, it's like pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
It's like, oop, the curtain just pulled open.
And guess what?
No one gives a shit about insulting John McCain.
No one cares.
No one cares.
They found it refreshingly honest that he just told you what he fucking thought.
And this type of shit, I don't know.
It doesn't make me despise Trump.
I find it endearing.
Like, even if he did say it, it's like, even if it's disrespectful or something like that, it's like, yeah, you know what?
The military is a bunch of losers or something.
Okay.
I don't have a problem with that.
I saw LP types, the Libertarian Party, the official Twitter, again, the geniuses over there.
They tweeted out a thing about how disturbing it is that he would say this.
Like, really?
Libertarians, that's your problem that he dared criticize the military?
Really?
Oh, my God.
Wasn't it the government department of murder?
And he didn't say the nicest thing about them.
Oh, oh, yeah.
What hardcore libertarians you guys are.
Give me a fucking break.
It's that part of it.
It's a little bit flippant and inappropriate.
But what Trump is actually getting at, which is just an interesting insight, is that if he's doing anything military related, he wants you to see the biggest bomb.
He wants you to see the people getting the gold.
He gets television optics that he doesn't want to be around injured.
Like, he doesn't want to display loss.
He's a sales guy.
He wants to display positivity.
And even though his language is not like, that's kind of what he's getting at.
I think you might be right.
And if he even said it, which who the hell knows?
Behind closed doors, did you hear what he said to Sarah Sanders in the limo after with North Korea?
What was that?
Oh my God, it was so funny.
So apparently, I don't remember, but I might know.
Kim Jun-un was making eyes and really insinuating towards Sarah Sanders that he wanted some Sarah Sanders action.
He liked the plumper.
They don't get women of that size out of North Korea.
This is an interesting look.
And he wants her, right?
So they're in the cat.
It's him, Trump, Sarah Sanders, someone else.
And he goes, oh, we figured out how to make peace with North Korea.
We're going to send you back over there to take one for the team.
Is that true?
I never heard that.
It's coming out in like the, anyways, behind closed doors, Trump is still Trump and fucking hilarious.
And you know what I mean?
Like, I get you have certain conversations behind closed doors, and that's the way you talk if you're fucking funny.
And there's something funny about going, hey, I'm not going there because it's the losers when you're taught like it's terrible.
You're not supposed to say that.
The president shouldn't say it.
And this article is clearly spin because there's so much shit in there that like they're trying to turn a negative on when it's not specifically his, they're really just giving him shit for having discontent for wars that we fought.
Well, I also like, I just hate the thing where it's like, if we're going on, if we have no evidence that something happened, right?
This would be my guess.
And I'm not a professional journalist.
I'm just better at it than most.
But this is how I would feel about journalism, right?
If we have like a he said, she said type situation, some people are saying he said something, Trump absolutely denied that he said this, right?
So if you have that type of situation and there's no evidence, there's no recording, there's no transcript, there's no, like, there's no evidence that this happened, but you're claiming it happened, then I'd go, well, you have to go on the record or we can't run the story.
Like, you can't just stay, you can't have an anonymous he said, she said, and then we're just going to like poison the well with this belief that he said that.
It's like, no, so if these people are so noble and they're former, you know, people who are around Donald Trump, there's two months to go into an election.
So come out and fucking say it and be like, I said it.
And then we can see what happened.
And then let's see if it's somebody who like, I don't know, Trump fired for some other reason.
And now they're claiming he said that.
You know, you just, you get a little bit more information that way.
And I don't trust that the media, like, obviously all this shit is just a hit job against Donald Trump before the election.
But my bigger takeaway from all of it is that I was just kind of, yeah, this is what you got.
This is really what you're coming at him with.
Guys, you don't know, but behind closed doors, Trump's kind of a dick.
Oh, okay.
No one had picked up on that yet.
Everybody who's supporting Donald Trump has already made their peace or they enjoy the fact that he's a dick.
That's the truth.
We got one more written house Facebook.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We could talk about that real quick.
So his, so his Kickstarter or whatever.
There was a Christian charity group raised, I'm going to say, like, I forgot to figure it was him with like $250,000 for his legal defense.
And Facebook pulled down, at least from the articles I read, they pulled down, I guess, the posts about it.
Or if you were trying to make posts about it, it's being censored.
But at the same time, there's a lot of defense funds for people on the other side that are probably worse criminals or like bail type situations.
And they've got no problem with that fundraising going on.
Oh, yeah.
Yep.
That's the game that we're in.
And it's funny because then people will go like, you know, I'll get these comments sometimes where people are like, well, why do you, you know, criticize the left more than you criticize the right or something like that, broadly speaking?
Or someone like Andy said to me when we were debating the other day, he's like, you know, there's more, you know, the question is, do you love liberty or do you just hate the left?
To which I'm kind of like, well, I mean, why can't I do both?
Why can't I love liberty and hate the left?
Why can't I hate the left because they're a threat to liberty, which I love?
Seems reasonable enough to me.
But the reason why it makes more sense to be more critical of the left is because of stuff like this.
This is the state of reality.
I mean, like, if they're more powerful and a bigger threat.
Yes, if, if authoritarian alt-writers, something like that, right?
Let's say the authoritarian alt-right controlled the corporate press and academia and both major political parties and all of Hollywood, and there were 200 progressives who marched in Charlottesville in 2017.
And I spent all my time talking about the progressives, you'd be right.
That would be really stupid and retarded.
It's like, okay, guys, yeah, who really cares about some social justice warriors who had a little march when there are fucking all of these alt-writers who control all this shit.
But the situation is precisely the opposite.
So yeah, that's actually more of a big deal.
And this is the dynamic that we live in.
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This kid is perceived now to be some right-winger because he fucking shot two people in the middle of this mob violence.
And so he can't raise money for a defense fund, but somebody who fucking shot someone in the middle of a riot, they can fucking bail this guy out.
No problem.
My opinion, the kid decided, 17 years old, he's going to go join a militia group to defend people who cannot defend their own private property and the cops were unable to defend it.
It's pretty fucking noble activity.
And then the guy, okay, but let's just say some people think otherwise.
We can at least say that this is left open for determination.
Yeah.
That some people would view this and go, hey, this guy's a hero.
And then some other people have a different perspective.
For Facebook to come in and go, nope, there's only one allowable perspective here.
And on the same note, to see that they do not have a very consistent way of policing their platform, you got to understand, okay, these people hate us.
Like these people are working against us.
Absolutely.
Listen, as I've said on the show many times before, I find all of these things, when people make comments about what was in someone's head when these things happened, I always find myself rolling their eyes.
I think it's this silly psychological thing that people do where they want to confirm their own bias.
So they pretend that they know what someone else was thinking.
And I see this ones I see people going, he was a hero who just wanted to go there and protect private property and wanted to help out the protesters.
And it's like, I have no idea if that was in his head.
And then I see other people go, he was a murderer who got in his car to go look to murder people that day.
That really doesn't look true.
I mean, the evidence would point against that in certain markets.
No, you're absolutely right.
But why do you even have to go down the road of pretending to know what's in someone's head?
This is why I thought it was so stupid when Spike Cohen tweeted out that Garrett Foster, you know, just wanted to protect the innocent people there.
It's like, we have no idea.
Maybe he ran over to that car with exactly that thought in his head.
I just want to make sure everyone here is safe.
Or maybe he ran over to that car, like, let's fucking see if this motherfucker wants some.
Let's get involved in some action.
We have no fucking idea.
Let's not pretend we know.
However, we can at least reasonably say, right, that it's possible that he went there to try the Kyle kid.
It's possible that he went there to try to protect people and protect property and do that, right?
It's possible.
So he at least deserves a defense, right?
I mean, like, that seems reasonable to me.
It doesn't rely on this ridiculous thing where we have to do that.
And isn't it great that when the state and the entire apparatus is against you, people will come to your aid because lawyers are unbelievably expensive.
And we can actually, you know, go to court and get a fair trial because people will give the funds.
On that note, and I mean, we're kind of stretching on time, but we skipped over the Nancy Pelosi story.
And we'll have to come back.
One of the aspects that's interesting is that I think, I mean, Nancy Pelosi's lawyers must be the most incredible legal team ever.
But then you got to realize that the conservative network is going to get this owner whatever money she needs for a pretty great defense team.
And I guess the ability to crowdfund legal defenses is a pretty good tool for freedom.
Yeah.
No, I think you're absolutely right about that.
And the Nancy Pelosi situation, of course, is just one more example of the rules for the, but not for me.
All these people, believe me, all these draconian rules that these people are coming up with, they don't intend to live by any of them.
So just know, you're getting screwed one more time.