Part Of The Problem - Dave Smith - Black Supremacy w/ Michael Malice
Aired: 2020-07-16
Duration: 01:04:33


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[00:01:12]  We need to roll back the state.
[00:01:14]  We spy on all of our own citizens.
[00:01:16]  Our prisons are flooded with nonviolent drug offenders.
[00:01:20]  If you want to know who America's next enemy is, look at who we're funding right now.
[00:01:25]  Every single one of these problems are a result of government being way too big.
[00:01:30]  You're listening to part of the problem on the Gas Digital Network.
[00:01:34]  Here's your host, James Smith.
[00:01:38]  Hey, what's up, everybody?
[00:01:40]  Let me be your problem for the next hour.
[00:01:45]  The crossover continues.
[00:01:46]  I'll be your problem for a lot more than just the next hour, if you let me.
[00:01:50]  Of course, we are once again joined by the man, the myth, the legend, the hilarious, the brilliant.
[00:01:55]  Michael Malice, how are you, sir?
[00:01:57]  I'm great.
[00:01:58]  I just sent off my taxation to Steph Forbes.
[00:02:02]  Oh, yeah.
[00:02:03]  I, you know what?
[00:02:04]  I actually, that's really funny.
[00:02:05]  I got to check my account to make sure they stole all of my money that they wanted.
[00:02:12]  Last year, I got like, I paid all my taxes, which, by the way, for people like me and you who don't have, you know, what do you call them, jobs, it's much more painful.
[00:02:23]  It's much more painful when you don't just have like withholding taken out of your paycheck every week, but when you actually have to take a whole bunch of your money and be like, here, I guess it's for you.
[00:02:35]  I guess you're not writing off enough things.
[00:02:38]  Oh, no.
[00:02:38]  I mean, I did much better this year than I have before, but it's still pretty painful.
[00:02:43]  Oh, yeah.
[00:02:44]  But so anyway, so last year, I like fucking, I'm not using the same accountant this year because she kind of sucked.
[00:02:51]  But she, yeah, I know.
[00:02:54]  It's growing in right away.
[00:02:55]  It's my fault.
[00:02:56]  But I was asking for it.
[00:02:58]  She, not even Asian, just some regular old white lady.
[00:03:02]  And yeah, it was terrible decision making on my part.
[00:03:04]  But so then the IRS just sent me a bill after, after I paid all of my taxes that they said they owe.
[00:03:10]  And you're like, and they're just like, oh, you owe another like $4,000.
[00:03:14]  Why'd you pay her at all?
[00:03:15]  Yeah.
[00:03:16]  I could have fucked this up on my own.
[00:03:17]  Yeah, really.
[00:03:18]  And then, and I sent her the letter and she was like, yeah, I guess you better pay them.
[00:03:22]  And I was like, but what's it?
[00:03:23]  Why is it?
[00:03:24]  And she's like, I don't know, but you know, you got to pay them if they're asking for it.
[00:03:28]  And it's just such a like, I just felt like they're literally just bitching me around.
[00:03:32]  Like, they could just be like, you owe us $4,000.
[00:03:34]  And I'm like, okay.
[00:03:35]  And they're like, make it $4,001.
[00:03:37]  And I'm like, okay, all right.
[00:03:40]  Whatever you say, you're going to win this.

=== Paula Dean's Controversial Choices (13:43) ===

[00:03:43]  So fine.
[00:03:43]  I've actually had cases where they write, you know, you get the letter in the mail and you have that, your heart skips a beat.
[00:03:49]  Like, oh my God, I'm getting audited.
[00:03:50]  Actually, I'm being audited.
[00:03:52]  I do my own taxes.
[00:03:53]  I was a business major.
[00:03:54]  I like, I know enough about it.
[00:03:56]  But there's been a time when I got that letter and I'm like, oh, God.
[00:03:59]  And they're like, you overpaid.
[00:04:00]  We're going to send you free money.
[00:04:01]  And I'm like, oh, that's pretty cool.
[00:04:03]  Yeah, free money.
[00:04:04]  That's a nice real in Bernie Sanders type of free money.
[00:04:08]  Okay, so something I, this is what I wanted to talk about today.
[00:04:13]  And we could see where we go with it.
[00:04:15]  But I'm curious to get your take on some of this stuff.
[00:04:18]  Because one of the things I really like about talking with you is you always have a somewhat unique and kind of thoughtful take on things.
[00:04:25]  And you don't rely on dogma as many people do.
[00:04:28]  You're a free thinker, and I appreciate that.
[00:04:30]  So I don't know if you've been following, I know you're a big Twitter guy, one of my favorite Twitter accounts to follow.
[00:04:37]  So Jews is trending right now on Twitter.
[00:04:41]  And it's in response to this Nick Cannon thing, which is number one, trending number one on Twitter.
[00:04:49]  Nick Cannon was on a podcast and he started really going off.
[00:04:56]  I'll just say first off, I thought it was hilarious.
[00:04:59]  Just really, I really was thoroughly entertained by it.
[00:05:03]  But he started going off on some real black supremacist shit.
[00:05:10]  I don't know how else you could accurately describe it.
[00:05:12]  Like true, when you see all the people get accused of like, you know, like scientific racism and white supremacy and all this, I mean, this was legit, complete pseudoscience nonsense.
[00:05:24]  The melanin in black people's skin makes blacks superior and have more empathy and are better people and smarter.
[00:05:30]  And he went off on this.
[00:05:32]  And then he took some shots at white people, but then he fucked up and he also does he really think this because here's a way to disprove it.
[00:05:42]  If that's true, then albino blacks would be basically like whites, right?
[00:05:46]  Because they don't have melanin.
[00:05:47]  Yeah.
[00:05:48]  So there's one metric where you can determine if that theory is true or not.
[00:05:52]  Yes, I was not worried that you couldn't poke holes in this.
[00:05:58]  Yes.
[00:05:58]  But this is what the hypothesis, okay?
[00:06:01]  Yes, it's the most absurd scientific reasoning, if you can even call it that.
[00:06:08]  But so he then he started shitting on white people.
[00:06:12]  But then he also started shitting on Jews.
[00:06:15]  And this was a no-no.
[00:06:18]  And Viacom fired him from whatever they had of his out there over his anti-Semitism.
[00:06:26]  So he's been fired.
[00:06:27]  Now Jews hashtag Jews is trending.
[00:06:30]  And it seems to be a lot of black people who are not so happy with me and your type because they're like, well, Jews own anything and everything.
[00:06:38]  And you can't even call them out or they'll fire you.
[00:06:41]  It's kind of, it's got a little bit of like cancel culture, a little bit of racism, some Jew stuff in there.
[00:06:50]  I don't know.
[00:06:50]  I just thought this was a fun story.
[00:06:52]  Did you see any of this?
[00:06:54]  I did.
[00:06:54]  And I clicked through and I saw Jews was trending and I'm like, oh, God, what have you done now?
[00:07:00]  And because as like right now, let me.
[00:07:05]  This is really funny.
[00:07:06]  You bring this up now or that this happens now.
[00:07:08]  I'm reading a book right now called oh God, Buried by the Times by Laura Leff.
[00:07:16]  And it talks about how the New York Times addressed the Holocaust.
[00:07:20]  And Salzberger, whoever it was, it's the father or the grandfather, the current publisher, made did everything in his power to eliminate the idea in his readers that the Nazis were anti-Semitic.
[00:07:34]  Like he was saying they're after minorities.
[00:07:37]  We shouldn't be saying they're specifically against Jews.
[00:07:41]  So when they're talking about like Nazi exterminations, they would talk about like refugee citizens.
[00:07:45]  Because his idea was that I have, in his own words, he wrote to Henry Morgenthau, who was Secretary of the Treasury, I believe, under FDR, who was also Jewish.
[00:07:56]  And he wrote this letter.
[00:07:57]  Says, like, I have nothing in common with these people because, in his mind, Judaism is only a religion, it is not a race.
[00:08:04]  And if you're saying it's a race, you're preaching Hitler's song.
[00:08:07]  So, there was a lot of really disturbing because when you're obsessed with equality in any, and you have to kind of force it onto things, you really have to do a lot of mental gymnastics to make that true.
[00:08:20]  And specifically, with regard to Hitler, you're being like, Well, he's against all non-Aryans equally.
[00:08:25]  Like, technically, I guess theoretically, you could say that he thinks they're all bad.
[00:08:29]  But in terms of who is he taking specific actions to, you know, eliminate from Europe, his priority isn't the Poles.
[00:08:37]  You know, so it was really interesting.
[00:08:39]  And a lot of Jewish organizations were hitting him up to try to promote what was going on.
[00:08:44]  He's like, this isn't like just people being put in ghettos and they can't walk on the streets.
[00:08:48]  They're being exterminated.
[00:08:49]  He goes, Well, and he really had a hard time reconciling these two aspects of his psychology.
[00:08:55]  It was a really interesting book.
[00:08:56]  I'm halfway through with it.
[00:08:57]  So, but the thing is, this kind of a lot of contemporary progressivism, which has its roots in the civil rights era, pun intended, with roots after the fact.
[00:09:11]  Thaddeus Russell made this point many times that there are so many young progressives who think they're marching on Selma that when they see an opportunity to defend a black person against anything, they think it's like the 40s and they're about to be hung and they're in the South and they're so brave.
[00:09:29]  And they're not brave and they're pandering and they do not regard black people as human.
[00:09:34]  They regard black people as a means to an end, as pets, to make themselves feel like a big shot.
[00:09:39]  Oh, out of the way.
[00:09:40]  Like I'm here, like white person.
[00:09:42]  I'm going to speak for you and defend you.
[00:09:44]  And it's like, and as a result of this, they necessarily will tend to marginalize black people and co-opt them and try to speak for them.
[00:09:52]  Black Lives Matter is a great example of this, where, you know, every corporation presumes to speak for that kid in the ghetto who might not be having a good experience with the cops rightly or wrongly.
[00:10:02]  So, but this, there's been a long history of like very virulent anti-Semitism in the black community, as with every community, including the Jewish community.
[00:10:11]  It goes back to Marcus Garvey when Marcus Garvey was arrested.
[00:10:14]  This is in the 20s, I believe.
[00:10:16]  He was perfectly neither pro-nor anti-Jewish all his life.
[00:10:21]  And then when he went to jail, he started flipping out about the Jews.
[00:10:24]  And it was kind of really kind of odd because it was out of character because he was a very controversial figure beforehand.
[00:10:29]  So why was he biting his tongue?
[00:10:31]  This was a big thing in the Harlem Renaissance in the 20s because the few white-owned businesses that were in Harlem were Jewish-owned.
[00:10:38]  And then it's like causing this conflict.
[00:10:39]  Like, why are you running these stores?
[00:10:41]  Blah, blah, blah.
[00:10:42]  So, but the thing is, if you're going to preach a mythology of intersectionality and that everyone is against WASPI whites, and the plight of the black man is the plight of Anne Frank, is the plight of RuPaul.
[00:10:59]  Everyone is the same.
[00:11:00]  They're all up against this cish-het patriarchy.
[00:11:03]  That's not how things work in reality.
[00:11:06]  Asian people are extremely racist against black people.
[00:11:10]  They don't talk about this.
[00:11:11]  They also pretend Asian people are white for the most part because things fall into their kind of narrative they're trying to put forward.
[00:11:18]  So I'm just a little surprised because it's very rare that an African-American who speaks negatively or can be construed as speaking negatively about Jewish people is canceled this hard.
[00:11:34]  We saw it happen with Cynthia McKinney, who was a congresswoman from Georgia.
[00:11:39]  You know, she got canceled.
[00:11:41]  But like Farret, like Bill Clinton can still stand next to Farrakhan at, I forget whose funeral that was, and not have this be an issue.
[00:11:50]  And Reverend Wright said some very nefarious things against Jews.
[00:11:54]  And Obama was like, oh, you know, I wasn't there.
[00:11:58]  I didn't hear it.
[00:11:59]  Yeah, but then he did, he did eventually have to disavow.
[00:12:03]  But the point is he had the opportunity to disavow.
[00:12:06]  It wasn't like he was ruined forever.
[00:12:08]  Whereas like certain people, if they say certain things, it's like, you are done.
[00:12:12]  Like you were like, I mean, Paula Dean.
[00:12:14]  Paula Dean used the N-word 30 years ago and she was ruined forever.
[00:12:19]  So there's an asymmetry.
[00:12:22]  I don't know where this is going to go.
[00:12:25]  As you know perfectly well, there is a huge division in the Jewish community between those who are like these kind of very aspiring waspy leftists, progressive types, and then those who are just like Zionists.
[00:12:41]  And then there's the very hardcore anti-Zionists.
[00:12:43]  And then there's people who are like, all right, if we don't fight for black Americans, we can't fight for us with a straight face.
[00:12:49]  And the others are like, this isn't our struggle and they hate us.
[00:12:52]  Well, there was a lot of Jews who supported the civil rights movement, both financially and in terms of getting out in the streets with them.
[00:13:01]  And I've heard, you know, kind of some far right wing types, you know, like we've, I don't know, give like what I take as kind of conspiracies about why the Jews would do this.
[00:13:12]  It always seemed kind of obvious to me that the Jews were kind of like being like, hey, it's really fucked up to treat minorities in a really bad way.
[00:13:20]  But they kind of wanted to stay in the back, be like, look at what you're doing to these black people.
[00:13:23]  You should never treat black people or any minority that way.
[00:13:26]  You know, like it was like a kind of paranoia about if you have a system where minorities can be demonized, like, oh, this is going to end up bad for us, which kind of makes sense to me.
[00:13:37]  But then there was, I think, a lot of resentment within, because of course the Jews who were doing that were probably a bunch of lefty Jews.
[00:13:45]  And I think they probably had a lot of, you know, what you were talking about before with the kind of, whether intentionally or not, kind of co-opting the thing.
[00:13:53]  I think that brought some resentment from black people, like, hey, this is our movement.
[00:13:57]  I mean, there's a whole lot of other things involved in this.
[00:13:59]  I also think the fact that in poor black neighborhoods, Jews own a lot of the buildings and are collecting rent checks and evicting people and things like this causes a lot of problems.
[00:14:11]  But yeah, there's a lot of, there's a lot of tension between black people and Jews that is very rarely brought up.
[00:14:18]  Like it's because it doesn't fit neatly, you know, just like Asians being racist.
[00:14:21]  It doesn't fit neatly into this kind of intersectional worldview where it's the dominant white man versus everyone else.
[00:14:28]  There's also a lot of left-wing Jews who really buy into the intersectional PC shit that will, you know, I just say this is somewhat anecdotal, but I've just noticed it a lot.
[00:14:43]  And it makes for great fodder for alt-right types.
[00:14:47]  But I have noticed it a lot where there's a lot of left-wing Jews who will really be leading the charge of like self-hating white person.
[00:14:56]  Like white people are the worst.
[00:14:58]  I have to check my white privilege.
[00:14:59]  White people are blah, But then when convenient, they'll pull out the Jew card and be like, well, as a Jew, I feel offended by this or that.
[00:15:07]  And that is, I think, rightfully annoying, to say the least.
[00:15:11]  Well, I think anyone who presumes to tell other people that they should feel guilt or any kind of negative emotion, someone you haven't met, simply based on who they are, is being disingenuous at best.
[00:15:27]  So, and I, and this was the big thing in going back to the 30s, is these like Jewish types, as well as every group.
[00:15:35]  You know, you have in the black community, oh, you're talking white.
[00:15:38]  Like John McWhartter talks about this a lot in his book, Looking to Race, how there's this very big division in the black community where it's like people who become educated on paper, who speak with a certain diction.
[00:15:46]  Oh, you're not really one of us anymore, right?
[00:15:49]  So it's the same thing.
[00:15:50]  You had the.
[00:15:50]  Yeah, there's this great book by David Mammet called The Wicked Sun about.
[00:15:55]  You know this certain type of Jewish personality who are desperate to sell out their own, who are desperate to follow the diktats of the master class um, and show that they've arrived and and nothing can be, I mean on the.
[00:16:10]  Yet they will invoke their Judaism when it suits them, but they do not do.
[00:16:16]  They will say, this is what they'll say.
[00:16:18]  They'll say, my um, proudest moment of being a Jewish person is fighting for social justice and it's like, it's not, like that's not an exclusively Jewish thing and you're just trying to make it out to be, and you're trying to say, i'm not selling out my heritage.
[00:16:32]  And in certain ways uh, given the way you act you, I mean you're running into fearance for people who, if they were in the Republican Party, you would be bending over backwards to have these people deported and driven out of polite society.
[00:16:45]  But since it's your own uh, side of the aisle, so to speak, you're like running, oh no no no no, they're fine, nothing to see here.
[00:16:53]  You know, this is just hate-mongering.
[00:16:54]  So it's, it's a certain uh um, personality type um, and it is uh, you certainly do see it and uh yeah it's it's, it's not fun to.
[00:17:05]  This happened to me.
[00:17:06]  I went after George Soros, I talked about this on on Reubin Report and they were trying to flip out on me because oh, George Soros, a holocaust survivor, and it's like look listen, if there's any other circumstance, there's no one who is a billionaire who uses his money to influence politics.

=== George Soros Backlash Explained (02:52) ===

[00:17:26]  Let's suppose that this is right or not?
[00:17:28]  Who is above criticism?
[00:17:29]  This is the most basic thing of democracy.
[00:17:32]  What do you do about wealthy people who use their wealth and influence to change a country's direction and change elections?
[00:17:40]  And the argument is, okay, if you're going to have freedom of not publicly fund elections they could buy whatever they want you should have those things be public.
[00:17:47]  You should have them be held accountable.
[00:17:49]  You should have them be challenged.
[00:17:50]  You know, do they have self-interest?
[00:17:51]  But when it's George Soros, oh my god, he's basically and frankly, I mean you're and it's like and Frank, was not pumping money into um, changing the presidential election number one.
[00:18:02]  Number two is, he's not alone.
[00:18:04]  Yeah, and the Koch Brothers?
[00:18:06]  You criticize them in five minutes.
[00:18:07]  Fairly, you criticize Sheld Nadelson.
[00:18:09]  There's no shortage of billionaires who are involved in politics, who are like, we're calling you account on your, on your chicanery.
[00:18:16]  But when it's George Soros, you know it's oh, he's beyond the pale.
[00:18:19]  I don't.
[00:18:19]  Yeah, and no one, like nobody.
[00:18:22]  Being a victim in any sense does not put you above criticism at all.
[00:18:26]  No matter who you are and i'm sorry, once you've cracked like around a hundred million dollars, you're just.
[00:18:32]  You're not victim anymore like you.
[00:18:35]  You, even if you have been a victim at parts of your life, that's not the whole story of you.
[00:18:39]  Victim like no, it's an unbelievably successful person who, like moves mountains, not only economically and politically and you know so.
[00:18:48]  No, that's that's, you know, kind of insane.
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[00:20:18]  I will say, though, I have been thinking about with the Nick Cannon example, about like kind of cancel culture stuff in general.
[00:20:27]  And again, I'm not, you know, like we've discussed this before, and I'm not, you know, I don't wish to impose my will on anybody.
[00:20:34]  And really?
[00:20:36]  Well, maybe a few people.
[00:20:38]  Okay.
[00:20:39]  But in general, I don't, you know, people have the right of, you know, free association and all that stuff.
[00:20:45]  But I do dislike, like my preference is I dislike cancel culture.
[00:20:50]  And I don't like the idea that Nick Cannon is canceled for this.
[00:20:53]  I mean, I think his views were laughably ignorant.
[00:20:57]  But I don't know.
[00:20:59]  I think like I would just rather live in a world where like, okay, Nick Cannon can have some goofy view about melanin in his skin giving him superior empathy.
[00:21:07]  There's a lot of weird views out there.
[00:21:10]  But damn, I don't know.
[00:21:12]  He has a right to say it.
[00:21:14]  Someone should point out how absurd it is, but it's fine.
[00:21:16]  I'm not arguing he has a right to say it, but what you know happens very, very quickly, especially in this culture with our cursor curtain racial division.
[00:21:24]  Very quickly, what happens is that everyone's a Jew.
[00:21:27]  And then it becomes, you know, like whites versus blacks.
[00:21:29]  And I think it's a very dangerous road to go down.
[00:21:31]  And you see this happening.
[00:21:32]  Well, I don't, okay, so I don't disagree with you that there are dangers in going down this road, but I also think there are dangers in going down the cancel culture road, you know?
[00:21:43]  And so it becomes like what's more of a danger.
[00:21:45]  So I tweeted this out the other day.
[00:21:48]  Oh, shoot, I may not be able to find it because I actually went on a Twitter rampage and tweeted a lot of shit.
[00:21:52]  But my daughter fell asleep on me in the rocking chair and I was like, I had my phone.
[00:21:56]  I'm like, all right, let's go.
[00:21:58]  Let's do battle.
[00:22:00]  So, but I tweeted something along the lines of, I said that Woodrow Wilson fought World War II and said we have to make the world safe for democracy.
[00:22:12]  All the European monarchs fell.
[00:22:14]  And by World War II, we had Hitler and Stalin.
[00:22:19]  And then I said, a lot of these cancel culture people have no idea how much worse things come.
[00:22:25]  I said, you'll be begging for Tucker Carlson.
[00:22:27]  You know, like that, like my point being that it's like, if you take away every voice that is at least being somewhat reasonable, not preaching violence, but who you consider, quote, racist, you might end up with something much worse than what you have now.
[00:22:43]  And certainly by the time Hitler and Stalin were around, those monarchs were looking pretty good in comparison.
[00:22:51]  And I just wonder if making, you know, to me, when if there's people who have, like, like to me, this becomes, for anybody who's like, the Jews run everything, this ends up becoming a talking point for them.
[00:23:05]  Look, Nick Cannon criticized the Jews and he's canned the next day.
[00:23:09]  You're not allowed to criticize Jews.
[00:23:11]  And the truth is his criticism was really stupid.
[00:23:14]  And I don't know.
[00:23:16]  I just, I think it does more damage to end up, you know, trying to silence people after this.
[00:23:20]  It's like, let him talk.
[00:23:22]  Jews, we're fine.
[00:23:23]  You can win this argument against Nick Cannon.
[00:23:26]  I don't really know who Nick Cannon is.
[00:23:28]  I know he was married to Mariah Carey.
[00:23:30]  And whenever people say Nick Cannon, I always think of Mike Cannon.
[00:23:33]  I'm not going to lie.
[00:23:34]  So in my head, Mike Cannon is a very big anti-satellite.
[00:23:36]  It just got canceled.
[00:23:38]  Yes.
[00:23:39]  I won't stand up for Mike Cannon when they come to that.
[00:23:41]  I think it's what I'm agreeing with you in this sense.
[00:23:45]  When you are fired for your job, that's not going to make Nick Cannon sit down and think, you know what?
[00:23:52]  Maybe I was wrong about these people.
[00:23:54]  Maybe they're nice and I should, you know, talk to some and look at this from both sides of the issue.
[00:23:59]  No, you're going to double down.
[00:24:01]  You're going to be resentful.
[00:24:03]  And you're going to, you know, have this as proof of your perspective because just for saying a few things from your perspective, you lost your job, even though it wasn't hurting anybody.
[00:24:12]  And it's only because of the fault of these people.
[00:24:14]  So it does, it is a kind of a dangerous example to set.
[00:24:19]  That said, if you're a big corporation, I mean, their whole job of a corporation, which people are increasingly happy to understand, is to make things palatable for everyone and for no one to be upset and to have no rough edges and everything to be nice.
[00:24:32]  So as soon as it's anything controversial, they're going to, you know, reverse track very often, desperately into the other direction.
[00:24:41]  So I'm honestly surprised that this happened to him with this speed and with this, instead of them forcing, here's what could have happened, though.
[00:24:51]  I just caught myself as I was saying something.
[00:24:53]  What usually happens is they sit you down.
[00:24:55]  They're like, okay, here's what's going to happen.
[00:24:56]  You're going to go on TV.
[00:24:57]  You're going to make an apology.
[00:24:59]  Then we're going to sweep this under the rug and everything's going to be fine.
[00:25:02]  That didn't happen here, which leads me to suspect maybe they sat him down and he said, go fuck yourself.
[00:25:07]  It's quite possible.
[00:25:08]  That's not impossible because usually they like to have their cake and eat it too.
[00:25:11]  So it could have been that they, so they don't, they try not to fire people if they can.
[00:25:16]  Yeah.
[00:25:17]  Well, one of the other elements here that's really hilarious and kind of interesting too.
[00:25:22]  And since you said you really don't know much about Nick Cannon, not that I know a ton about him, but Nick Cannon was a guy who like hosted a Nickelodeon show for a long time.
[00:25:30]  He's like the corniest, non-threatening black guy.
[00:25:34]  And so it's pretty funny for him to be going like radical nation of Islam.
[00:25:38]  You know, the melanin in our skin makes us more, you know, it's like this real like, I don't know, like real out there shit that you wouldn't expect from him.
[00:25:47]  And I think that there is, I mean, I'm sure this happens with men in general in every community, but particularly in the black community, there is this kind of pressure.
[00:25:57]  It reminds, it's true in the Italian community too, with like the machismo thing.
[00:26:01]  Like there's this real pressure to not be soft, to be like, fuck hardcore and kind of thug and, you know, that shit.
[00:26:09]  And I think he's been being called corny forever by black people.
[00:26:14]  And I think this was in some ways.
[00:26:16]  I mean, I know I'm like, you know, like analyzing, you know, where I'm not a professional and have never met the guy, but it really seemed like there was like some of him trying to like overcompensate by going hardcore in the other direction.
[00:26:28]  And I think it just ended up all blowing up in his face.
[00:26:31]  I disagree.
[00:26:32]  I would bet that if he's saying these things publicly, he's surrounded by people who think this and he doesn't realize that this is controversial at all.
[00:26:40]  He thinks this is pretty much like a point of view, one that he's heard a lot.
[00:26:43]  So therefore the idea that people hadn't heard it and would find it off-putting never entered his head.
[00:26:48]  Or else maybe he would have been being more hesitant in his language from what you're describing.
[00:26:52]  So the fact that he was so, I don't, did it sound like, because you saying he was, it sounded like he wasn't being particularly like badass about it.
[00:26:59]  He's just being a fact about it.
[00:27:00]  I think that in an attempt to be more badass, he has actually sat down and talked to a lot of these like black power types and has kind of like been sold on this shit.
[00:27:11]  Like, I know, it sounded like he believed it and like he was really, but he was also talking with another one of these guys.
[00:27:17]  So they were like kind of playing off each other.
[00:27:19]  Like every time he'd be like, and the melanin in our skin, now they have envy for the melanin.
[00:27:24]  They want the melanin because they can't have it.
[00:27:26]  And that guy's like, yeah, I know that looks like I've seen that on a subway.
[00:27:30]  Yeah, so they're playing off each other.
[00:27:32]  They're both getting more into it.
[00:27:33]  And just saying the most wild, outlandish, out there shit.
[00:27:37]  But I do just like, I don't know.
[00:27:39]  I personally think, and this is one of the things I hate about the I'm offended culture, is that when there is a group of people saying ridiculous things who have no power over you and aren't actually going to lead toward hurting you, I think that the appropriate reaction is to laugh rather than to be outraged.
[00:28:04]  And I think this is true.
[00:28:06]  If you see like the Ku Klux Klan, like not who they call the KKK, not like Donald Trump is the KKK.
[00:28:13]  I mean, the actual Ku Klux Klan, the 17 of them that still exist in this country walking around with their hoods or something in 2020.
[00:28:20]  I think the appropriate reaction is to laugh at them and mock them.
[00:28:24]  If you see the black Israelites talking about how, you know, white people are all, you know, whatever, pillagers or something like that, I think it's appropriate to laugh at them.
[00:28:33]  None of these people have any power over you.
[00:28:35]  They can't do anything to you.
[00:28:37]  And in the same sense of when Stern used to have like real Klansmen like call into his show and yeah, and they would just laugh at him.
[00:28:46]  And I thought that was like the most appropriate response to it.
[00:28:49]  It's like, and then that lets everyone just laugh and dismiss his views without having to like let it ruin your day.
[00:28:55]  And I just don't, I see all of these like successful Jews on Twitter outraged about Nick Cannon.
[00:29:02]  And I think it's kind of silly.
[00:29:04]  I don't think there's any reason to let you, you know, to be this angry about it.
[00:29:08]  I'm going to change text a little bit that, you know, you were talking about Tinfoil Hat conspiracies earlier.
[00:29:14]  There's a lot of really funny conspiracies within the black community.
[00:29:18]  And I would encourage people to spend a few minutes on Google looking for them because when I was working with DL on his books, he told me about some of them.
[00:29:26]  And I know the one I remember off the top of my head is that KFC was supposedly having chemicals in there to keep black men sterile.
[00:29:34]  And there's one detergent, I'm blanking which one, which was a gain, which supposedly, if you turn it upside down, it has a Klansman on it.
[00:29:45]  And then there's like, like Marlborough has a Klansman on it.
[00:29:48]  The Marlborough box, did you know this?
[00:29:50]  No.
[00:29:50]  If you look at a box of Marlborough Reds, this wasn't from him.
[00:29:54]  This one I knew on my own.
[00:29:56]  If you look at, if you pull it up, if you look between the legs of the two, was that it's a horse.
[00:30:04]  I guess it's a horse and something else.
[00:30:06]  It looks like Klansman there.
[00:30:09]  And once you see it, you can never not see it.
[00:30:11]  Huh, interesting.
[00:30:12]  Do you see it?
[00:30:13]  Let me try to, I'm trying to pull it up right now.
[00:30:16]  So there's all sorts of these little things.
[00:30:21]  I can't find it.
[00:30:22]  You can't find a box of Marlboros?
[00:30:23]  What are you?
[00:30:23]  Under 18?
[00:30:25]  Well, I pulled up Marlborough Klansman.
[00:30:28]  No, just put up Marlborough, a box of Marlboro.
[00:30:30]  If you put up the box of cigarettes and you see the logo.
[00:30:33]  Okay, yeah.
[00:30:34]  If you see that the horse and the whatever, the lion in between their legs, it looks like a Klansman.
[00:30:40]  God damn it.
[00:30:41]  This is, hold on.
[00:30:42]  There's no horse on it.
[00:30:43]  It's just a white.
[00:30:44]  Oh, I see.
[00:30:45]  Okay.
[00:30:45]  Hold on.
[00:30:46]  I see.
[00:30:47]  In between, all right.
[00:30:50]  Yeah, I kind of see it's not a great picture.
[00:30:52]  It's like the FedEx has an arrow in it in the E in the X.
[00:30:55]  The Lando Lakes girl, her knees became boobs.
[00:30:58]  Oh, now I know.
[00:30:59]  Now I know why I love those cigarettes so much.
[00:31:03]  There's one more.
[00:31:03]  There's a detergent that had a moon on it.
[00:31:07]  And if you flipped it over, it looked like something from the clan.
[00:31:10]  So there's lots of this stuff in there, and it's really kind of funny when you hear about it.
[00:31:16]  I guess that's all I have on that front.
[00:31:19]  Well, I mean, you could understand where there would be some like healthy paranoia.
[00:31:23]  Oh, of course.
[00:31:25]  We're experimenting on.
[00:31:26]  Yeah.
[00:31:27]  And even like, I mean, look, the fucking, even as late as Ronald Reagan, I mean, they were knowingly shipping drugs into the black community and then prosecuting a war on drugs.
[00:31:38]  So, you know, it's like when you hear people like Reverend Wright, one of the things he said that got them that got him in a bunch of trouble when Obama had to, you know, like give that whole speech about him was he said that they created AIDS and sent it into the black community.
[00:31:56]  And that was a claim of his.
[00:31:58]  Now, I don't know of any evidence to back that up.
[00:32:03]  Yeah, no, I found it.
[00:32:05]  If you look at the Procter Gamble logo, his beard and the top of his head look like horns, and there's a 666 in his beard.
[00:32:15]  If you look at the, it's like an old man with the old logo is a circle.
[00:32:19]  If you look up Procter Gamble logo, it's supposed to be satanic.
[00:32:25]  And also the PG in the blue.
[00:32:27]  No, no, it's the guys.
[00:32:28]  Look up Procter Gamble man logo.
[00:32:32]  All right.
[00:32:38]  Do you not see it?
[00:32:39]  Yeah, no, I see it.
[00:32:41]  So do you see the top and the bottom are horns on his beard and his hair?
[00:32:44]  And if you look under his chin, the hair makes 666.
[00:32:48]  Oh, shit.
[00:32:50]  And the same thing with monster energy.
[00:32:52]  If you look at a can of monster energy, the three it looks like an animal, you know, slashing to make an M, but they each look like a Hebrew letter, which corresponds to number six.
[00:33:04]  Huh?
[00:33:05]  So are we sure these aren't coincidences?
[00:33:07]  It seems more likely somehow.
[00:33:10]  But it's funny to be like that.
[00:33:11]  Someone sat down.
[00:33:13]  I'll give you another thing.
[00:33:14]  This happened to me.
[00:33:15]  When I came from Joe Jorgensen over the weekend, someone's like, oh, when you asked her about pulling back discrimination laws, did you use 14 words on purpose?
[00:33:23]  No, I did not.
[00:33:25]  But they're like, well, let me count them.
[00:33:27]  One, two.
[00:33:27]  I'm like, I did not count them.
[00:33:29]  That's not how I tweet.
[00:33:30]  That's really fun.
[00:33:31]  And it was your 88th tweet of the week.
[00:33:34]  There we go.
[00:33:34]  You're like, wait, what?
[00:33:35]  Yeah.
[00:33:37]  It's really funny.
[00:33:37]  The idea of someone like finding a conspiracy in a piece of art.
[00:33:41]  And there's an artist somewhere who's like, I just drew a man.
[00:33:45]  I don't know what you're talking about.
[00:33:46]  Like, I just drew a beard.
[00:33:48]  I thought it was a cool-looking beard.
[00:33:50]  I didn't realize those could look like sixes.
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=== Brown Pride vs White Pride (14:49) ===

[00:35:31]  That one of the things that I think is kind of interesting is that people, um, uh, you know, the term scientific racism has been used a lot by like the uh Southern Poverty Law Center, and you'll see it on like Wikipedia and stuff like that.
[00:35:49]  Or they'll, you know, they call it people like Charles Murray or Stephan Molyneux or anybody who discusses the difference between IQ averages amongst racial groups.
[00:35:59]  This is considered scientific racism.
[00:36:02]  It's also referred to as white supremacy, just popularly.
[00:36:07]  But I've never heard any of them.
[00:36:11]  I mean, I honestly, I've never heard any of the even like really fringe alt-right types be this blatant and this supremacist as Nick Cannon was.
[00:36:25]  Like, like I've never heard, and maybe they're out there, I just haven't heard them, but I've never heard like some white nationalist talk about like how there's some that melanin, you know, makes black people dumber or something like that.
[00:36:38]  Like, like, I've never really heard the equal opposite of this.
[00:36:41]  I'm sure it does exist in some corner of the country.
[00:36:44]  But it is interesting to see a lot of the same people.
[00:36:48]  You know, like it reminds me, it made me think about the Joe Jorgensen, you know, we have to be anti-racist tweet.
[00:36:53]  And I'll move on and start leaving her alone.
[00:36:56]  But it's like, I don't know.
[00:36:57]  It's like, well, if we have to be anti-racism, then wouldn't you have to be against this also, like really hardcore?
[00:37:03]  And the truth is that even Viacom, they said they fired him for their anti-Semitism.
[00:37:11]  He said this about all white people.
[00:37:13]  I mean, he literally like straight up said that white people were inferior to black people.
[00:37:18]  And I wonder if he hadn't mentioned the Jew stuff, would this have really ruffled any feathers at all?
[00:37:25]  I got to say, I think it would have just flown under the radar because as you kind of alluded to earlier, it wouldn't cause any problems in the kind of leftist intersectional dynamic if he didn't bring Jews in there who are kind of also supposed to be like a protected minority oppressed group.
[00:37:44]  But if it was just white people, I actually think he would have been fine about this.
[00:37:48]  And interestingly, Viacom did not cite his anti-white stuff in there.
[00:37:53]  They just said it was the anti-Semitism.
[00:37:55]  So I, you know, it's like, hey, this is one of the problems, by the way, with the idea of being anti-racist is that you put yourself into a weird situation where you're like, okay, but does that mean now that you have to be as against black racism toward white people as you are against white racism toward black people?
[00:38:15]  Because none of the quote anti-racists are ever actually anti-racist.
[00:38:21]  They're always just anti-white people being racist, which is kind of racist.
[00:38:25]  I don't know how many people appreciate this.
[00:38:29]  Whites are inferior.
[00:38:30]  He's not pulling the side of his ass.
[00:38:32]  This comes from Nation of Islam.
[00:38:33]  And Nation of Islam is to like regular Islam the same way that Mormonism, sorry if I'm saying the Mormons, is to like Orthodox Christianity.
[00:38:44]  It's a completely different offshoot with its own theology.
[00:38:47]  The Mormons wouldn't say that at all, of course.
[00:38:50]  And they, Elijah Muhammad, who was Louis Farrakhan's mentor, he had this whole series of X's mentor for a long time.
[00:39:00]  Either had a book or a series of best I don't remember where he talked about his mythology.
[00:39:04]  And basically, the human races were invented by God in a giant laboratory.
[00:39:09]  And God made the blacks superior the whites.
[00:39:12]  And there's this spaceship that circles the earth called the mothership or the mother, the mother wheel.
[00:39:18]  And it's a series of wheels within wheels and blah, So there's a lot of things you could say about Islam.
[00:39:25]  They don't believe that the spaceship is coming, right?
[00:39:28]  Like anyone who is in the nation of Islam believes that there is this giant spaceship.
[00:39:33]  You can look this up on Wikipedia.
[00:39:34]  When you find this out, because you think, okay, they're just like black Muslims who are just the same thing as Saudi Arabia.
[00:39:39]  No, They've got this whole weird heretical outlook that the more you read about, the more it's like, oh, that's interesting to be euphemistic.
[00:39:48]  Right.
[00:39:49]  Right.
[00:39:50]  Yeah, it is like a lot of this stuff.
[00:39:52]  I think that people are kind of just trained in a way to just let it slide and just kind of not really think about it this much.
[00:40:02]  I think this is part of why this isn't like common knowledge, some of this really weird stuff that's out there.
[00:40:07]  But I don't know that I'm completely against that because it's just kind of like, I think rolling your eyes and just being like, okay, whatever.
[00:40:13]  There's a spaceship out there that's coming for you.
[00:40:15]  I don't know.
[00:40:16]  I just kind of look at those groups and I would never get, you know, like there would be some people who get hysterical about them, like the Sean Hannities of the world would always be.
[00:40:25]  But I'd always kind of be like, I don't know.
[00:40:26]  I felt like Farrakhan would, those groups, they'd kind of take black people from the inner cities and tell them to learn to read and put suits on and not be violent criminals.
[00:40:38]  And I was kind of like, eh, all right.
[00:40:39]  That's not the worst.
[00:40:40]  They're actually probably doing more good than bad, even if they have some racist views in them.
[00:40:45]  I just find it kind of interesting that within the dynamic of, if you're, you know, if we're talking about racism and we're not using the ridiculous new lefty definition of like, basically only white people can be racist, which just the irony of it is that it violates the rules of what racism used to mean.
[00:41:03]  And now you're just kind of, it's an excuse to hate white people.
[00:41:07]  But if you were just to say like the classic old definition of racism that's probably still found in Marion Webster's dictionary, but like prejudice based on race, judging a group as a collective based on their race, you know?
[00:41:21]  What was that?
[00:41:22]  Did you think her name is Marion Webster?
[00:41:25]  Is that what you said?
[00:41:26]  No.
[00:41:27]  Did I?
[00:41:27]  Yes, you said Marion Webster.
[00:41:29]  I like Marion Webster.
[00:41:30]  I used to date this chick.
[00:41:33]  Do you think there's a lady named Marion Webster?
[00:41:37]  She's really good with words.
[00:41:39]  She knows all of them.
[00:41:40]  She's got all of them.
[00:41:41]  She's just a good ones at the end, like Zebra.
[00:41:43]  Have you ever read her stuff?
[00:41:45]  Super smart.
[00:41:46]  I try.
[00:41:47]  Not much of a plot.
[00:41:49]  Right.
[00:41:49]  Well, anyway, I'm retarded.
[00:41:51]  But anyway, if you're just against judging racial groups and casting negative judgments on a group based on their racial makeup and nothing else, right?
[00:42:02]  Okay.
[00:42:04]  The problem that you're going to run into with this, like, we must be anti-racist is that you go like, okay, so if you're going to say that I am completely against racism and one group says black power and another group says white power, then you have to have the exact same response to both of them.
[00:42:24]  But nobody, even though right-wingers like me, nobody actually thinks of those as exactly the same thing because there's so much context within the history of America that make them kind of different.
[00:42:37]  They just, and they do.
[00:42:38]  I'm not against like saying that.
[00:42:39]  Like Cain Velasquez, who was the UFC heavyweight champion, he's a Mexican dude and his dad like walked across the border and has this whole, and he has brown pride tattooed on his chest.
[00:42:50]  No one even thinks of this as slightly offensive or controversial because no one takes it as a message of like, I want to do harm to others.
[00:42:56]  They just kind of feel like, oh, he's proud of his heritage.
[00:42:58]  Now, if someone had white pride tattooed on their chest, they wouldn't be allowed to fight for the UFC.
[00:43:03]  Now, that's the fact.
[00:43:04]  Now, if you're just judging purely, we're anti-racism, that's racist because you are judging the white group differently than you're judging the brown group.
[00:43:13]  And you're just going to get into a lot of problems like this.
[00:43:16]  And if Charles Murray is so terrible, then you got to fucking hate this guy a whole lot more.
[00:43:26]  That's all I'm saying.
[00:43:29]  The thing is, this whole thing like brown pride and white pride, these are historically really kind of recent things.
[00:43:36]  Like black pride wasn't a thing.
[00:43:38]  White pride wasn't a thing.
[00:43:39]  It would be, I'm proud to be an Englishman.
[00:43:41]  You know, Britain rolls the world, or I'm proud to be a Frenchman, or I'm proud to be this or that.
[00:43:46]  So these are kind of recent historical developments.
[00:43:49]  You'd be proud to be a Mexican or whatever, you know, different place you came from.
[00:43:53]  It's also a consequence of people intermarrying more.
[00:43:55]  So it's hard to be like, yeah, I'm a Mexican, I have Mexican pride, but I also have Irish pride, or I'm Irish pride, Italian pride.
[00:44:01]  Like you're people used to stick to their own nationality.
[00:44:04]  And as that is heavily fallen apart, you're like, okay, what they have in common is my race.
[00:44:08]  And even that is to some extent falling apart.
[00:44:11]  Yeah, there's an irony.
[00:44:12]  There's a real irony in there is that I think in many ways white identity was a creation of the modern left and is embraced by like this kind of far-fringe right-wing group.
[00:44:23]  No, it was invented by Gobineau was the big one, Count de Gobineau.
[00:44:27]  He was the one who had the invention of like the different races.
[00:44:29]  And this was, it wasn't a modern left at all.
[00:44:31]  This was like 1850s.
[00:44:33]  No, but I just mean in terms of it actually being successful as what people identified as, because he may have like been claiming this.
[00:44:40]  And certainly there were like racialists in the past.
[00:44:45]  But I mean like people did not identify as white guy.
[00:44:49]  They were very, very secondary, you know, and now even passing, and I'm not even saying like, you know, white nationalist types, I just mean regular people will be like, yeah, I'm a white guy.
[00:45:00]  You know what I mean?
[00:45:01]  Like even if that's like it, but it's almost like this identity came about very recently that it's actually been popularized.
[00:45:08]  And you know this is true because you think about it, think how much contempt there was for a very long time for the Teutonic races, the Germans, right?
[00:45:14]  So before the 1910s, at least through the 50s, that whole period, you're not going to have solidarity along as whiteness with the Kaiser, the Hun, and then later Hitler.
[00:45:26]  There was also a big divide between, I forget which is which, the North and the South, and one were Scottish descent and one were Anglo descent or something like that.
[00:45:37]  And they're like, oh, we're the completely different races and blah, blah, blah.
[00:45:40]  So there was also division in that sense before.
[00:45:44]  Now, they would both consider themselves closer together than blacks, of course, but they very much, the people who were thinking of it in terms of race, drew these firm lines between, I don't remember even what they were.
[00:45:57]  I think it's yeah, but well, I mean, if you go back in your family lineage two generations, you know, like if you go to like your, you know, your grandparents, certainly if you go to your great-grandparents, it would be a huge thing if a Catholic was marrying a Protestant.
[00:46:13]  Oh, yeah.
[00:46:13]  Like that would be a huge thing.
[00:46:14]  They're like, wait, what?
[00:46:15]  I mean, my great-grandmother and great-grandfather were, he was Catholic and she was Jewish.
[00:46:24]  And it broke up their family.
[00:46:26]  Like people didn't speak to each other over them getting married.
[00:46:29]  And then I think years later when they had kids, they kind of like all came back together a little bit.
[00:46:34]  But like the families, like She was cut off from her family.
[00:46:39]  They were like that furious about it.
[00:46:41]  Me and my wife, I mean, she's Catholic and I'm Jewish, and it's not even kind of a thing for anyone.
[00:46:47]  So it is a pretty radical, quick transformation.
[00:46:52]  That's something that would be an issue a few generations ago to the point of like you might, like, your father and mother might cut you out of their life is not even a thought at this point.
[00:47:04]  Like that is that that does mark a pretty substantial, pretty quick change in society.
[00:47:08]  So a lot of, like you said, a lot of these identities are very new, if not new creations, they're newly actually believed and used as like primary identification.
[00:47:21]  So it's all kind of strange.
[00:47:22]  If you look at the 1920s, which was prohibition, and then you had Al Smith, who was a Catholic governor of New York, he later ran for president against Hoover.
[00:47:30]  Like, oh my God, we banned alcohol.
[00:47:32]  And now we're going to have this guy, you know, he's going to be the president taking orders from Rome and, you know, like having alcohol in every cup.
[00:47:39]  So this was, I mean, anti-we joke about it now, like anti-Italian, anti-Irish prejudice, but that was anti-Catholic prejudice.
[00:47:48]  And JFK to become president in 1960, which he barely did.
[00:47:52]  I think it was like the closest vote ever.
[00:47:54]  I know 1918 was very 1916 is very close as well.
[00:47:58]  But it's like, we, I mean, he's going to be taking orders from the Pope.
[00:48:02]  Well, he had to give a speech.
[00:48:03]  He had to give a speech about it to make it clear that he wouldn't be taking orders from the Pope.
[00:48:07]  This wasn't just like something people were whispering.
[00:48:09]  It was to the point where he had to actually come out and say, hey, I get your concern, and I'm not.
[00:48:15]  Don't worry about that.
[00:48:16]  And yes, it was close.
[00:48:17]  And I think he had some help from some of those Italians to get that election for him.
[00:48:22]  And his dad was like the first one, Joe Kennedy, to bring like Catholics into high society in Britain.
[00:48:30]  And basically, he forced it, or in Boston, I remember which one it was, maybe it was both.
[00:48:33]  He basically forced his way through.
[00:48:35]  But it was like he had to have, that's why the kids were all crazy because they all had to be picture perfect and they had to pass.
[00:48:41]  And like, all right, we're going to break down the door for the Irish.
[00:48:44]  And they did it.
[00:48:45]  Yeah.
[00:48:45]  And meanwhile, behind the scenes, JFK was like doing all types of blow.
[00:48:49]  He had a broken back.
[00:48:50]  He was fucking chicks left and right.
[00:48:52]  He had, he lived quite a life, that guy, JFK.
[00:48:55]  Yeah, but he also had like a bunch of surgeries.
[00:48:58]  And they were like, you know, a real wealthy family, but medicine was so like primitive at the time that they just kept fucking it up and they kept being like, yeah, we're going to do this on your back.
[00:49:06]  And he'd be like, that made it worse.
[00:49:07]  And they're like, oh, I don't know.
[00:49:09]  That's all we got.
[00:49:10]  Well, do you want leeches?
[00:49:11]  Because we also have leeches.
[00:49:13]  Yeah, it's like, really fun.
[00:49:14]  You know, it's only like, uh, it's only something like, I think it's post-1950s where they said that it's actually demonstrably true that medicine was helpful.
[00:49:24]  Yeah.
[00:49:24]  Like you might, you might have been better off just having no access to like hospital care, but like before like the 50s, it's so recent.
[00:49:31]  And it's kind of like, you'd be like, I don't know, they're probably going to make it worse than they will better, which is a real weird thing.
[00:49:38]  Or if they don't make it worse, you're going to catch something.
[00:49:40]  Right.
[00:49:41]  Right.
[00:49:41]  That's a that's a good um, what's it the clear pill?
[00:49:44]  Is that the opposite of the black pill?
[00:49:45]  Whatever.
[00:49:46]  That's a black pill, it's the white pill.
[00:49:47]  Mold black pill.
[00:49:48]  The white pill.
[00:49:49]  I'm sorry.
[00:49:49]  So the white, but that's a good white pill moment when you think about how doomed things are.
[00:49:53]  Think about the fact that literally only several decades ago were you like more likely to be injured than helped by modern medicine.
[00:50:01]  I just don't think it's like if we sit down, you're like, okay, we have a lot of sick people in our city.
[00:50:05]  This is something we're going to have to deal with.
[00:50:07]  I know.
[00:50:08]  Let's put them as close to each other as possible and have all the diseases in one building.
[00:50:12]  This is the smart approach.
[00:50:14]  Right, right.
[00:50:15]  Like, like before you really had sterilization down, like there's this like, this may really not work.

=== Modern Medicine Crime Concerns (14:11) ===

[00:50:21]  They had, I remember reading about this just during the whole COVID thing.
[00:50:25]  But one of the reasons why they, so during the Spanish flu, was that 1918 or something like that?
[00:50:33]  During the Spanish flu, there are so many people getting sick that they made these kind of makeshift outdoor hospitals.
[00:50:39]  Um, just like, and the recovery rate was like almost double in the outdoor hospitals that it was in the regular hospitals.
[00:50:46]  And that's when they started being like, Well, people got to stay outside, like, stay outside.
[00:50:50]  But you can imagine, right?
[00:50:51]  Like, they're in these close quarters, overcrowded hospitals, all inside on top of each other, people constantly just getting sick and like shit.
[00:50:59]  And then they're like outdoors, and you're like, oh shit, this is actually working a lot better.
[00:51:03]  It's kind of weird that during COVID, they told everybody to stay inside, but that's a whole lot.
[00:51:08]  So we had to take to the streets.
[00:51:10]  That's right.
[00:51:10]  Until racism got out of control.
[00:51:13]  All right.
[00:51:13]  So, Nick Cannon, I want to see if the Jews thing is still trending.
[00:51:17]  Well, you know, what's funny is that when I saw Jews was trending, I thought, you know, you click on it and you assume.
[00:51:23]  So, like, the other day, and I did an OnlyFans stream on this, but the other day, Jewish privilege was trending.
[00:51:31]  And it was just all you saw from there.
[00:51:34]  And I hate this, by the way, is all you saw there was, it was all just sarcastic.
[00:51:38]  You know, so it was like, it was like powerful Jewish people being like, my Jewish privilege is that my grandfather suffered in the Holocaust.
[00:51:45]  Hashtag Jewish privilege.
[00:51:47]  And then how's that sarcastic?
[00:51:48]  Well, saying like that, it's not privilege, but saying like they don't actually have privilege, that they're actually victims.
[00:51:53]  Isn't it privilege that your grandfather's in the Holocaust and you don't have to worry about anything?
[00:51:57]  That's privileged.
[00:51:59]  Well, so Sarah Silverman.
[00:52:00]  I mean, that's the real privilege.
[00:52:01]  Like my grandfather had to was murdered, and I'm here on Twitter flapping my gums with no fear of reprisals.
[00:52:07]  Well, right.
[00:52:08]  Yes, exactly.
[00:52:09]  Their irony is not warranted.
[00:52:12]  Well, Sarah Silverman tweeted out.
[00:52:14]  She goes, she's like, my Jewish privilege was having kids throw pennies at me on the bus and call me kite.
[00:52:22]  And you're like, could you guys like, and this is almost like my, and I said before, like, my advice to Jews.
[00:52:28]  I didn't realize that Sarah Silverman was the Rosa Parks of our age.
[00:52:31]  Well, that's right.
[00:52:32]  Yes, that's right.
[00:52:32]  But this is my advice to these Jewish people.
[00:52:35]  Like, if you really do think that anti-Semitism is a threat, like you're concerned about an anti-Semitic movement rising up, maybe it's not such a good look to have a multi-millionaire, very successful person bitching about what a victim they are because a kid was shitty to you in school once.
[00:52:56]  I mean, it is shitty to throw pennies at a kid and call them a kike.
[00:52:59]  I don't defend that.
[00:53:01]  If my kid ever did that, there would be serious ramifications for doing that.
[00:53:06]  It's horrible behavior.
[00:53:07]  But like to even be bringing up the story and lecturing other people that you were bullied once in school, like, yeah, so were a lot of us, and so are lots of kids.
[00:53:17]  And you are an outrageously successful person.
[00:53:21]  Like, what does this do to help like stamp out anti-Semitism?
[00:53:25]  If the only time your Judaism was an issue was on the school bus, that is privilege, right?
[00:53:32]  Like, literally, it's never been like for it to be an issue for me.
[00:53:36]  The only time it was a problem was when I was in the school bus, which is the worst environment for children ever, even worse than schools themselves, because you're physically in proximity.
[00:53:44]  There's no supervision.
[00:53:46]  So, yeah, I'd say, Sarah Silverman, you do have a pretty good and you are privileged.
[00:53:49]  Yeah, well, it also made me think of your lines, which is up there with one of your best.
[00:53:53]  That for many people, school is the only time they'll be, well, I forget exactly how you said it, the only time that they'll be physically experienced physical violence in their lives.
[00:54:02]  Yeah.
[00:54:03]  And so that's a point of it too.
[00:54:04]  But it's also like, I just hate this kind of like, it's kind of like the hate crime philosophy that, like, if you, if you were to go beat the shit out of somebody because they're gay, this is somehow a much worse crime than if you were to beat the shit out of somebody because you didn't like the way they look.
[00:54:22]  You know what I mean?
[00:54:22]  It's like, the problem is getting the shit beat out of you.
[00:54:25]  It really doesn't matter what the reason is.
[00:54:27]  I don't find that to be any worse morally or the experience to be any worse.
[00:54:32]  And it's like, it's almost like this thing, like, okay, so if someone threw pennies at you and called you a kike when you were a kid, now it's like you have this experience of racism.
[00:54:42]  But if someone just like made fun of a kid for having a mole on his face and threw stuff at him, ah, sorry, that's not like, that's not really in right now.
[00:54:50]  We can't do anything for you.
[00:54:51]  And it's like, I don't know.
[00:54:52]  The actual event of that story is you were bullied.
[00:54:55]  Kids were shitty to you.
[00:54:57]  This happens to a lot of people.
[00:54:59]  Move on.
[00:55:00]  The reason they made fun of her is because she picked up those pennies.
[00:55:04]  It was a pretty good day for Sarah Silverman.
[00:55:06]  So, yeah, I made 12 cents today.
[00:55:08]  It's pretty exciting.
[00:55:09]  And I got some attention, which I love.
[00:55:12]  She went home and she's like, dad, the kids threw pennies at me and called me a kite.
[00:55:16]  And he's like, and where are those pennies?
[00:55:18]  I lost them.
[00:55:19]  Did you not bring those pennies up?
[00:55:20]  I lost them, Dad.
[00:55:21]  Excuse me, you lost them.
[00:55:22]  Get out of my house.
[00:55:23]  It's horrible.
[00:55:25]  All right.
[00:55:25]  But anyway, so I don't, all right, I don't see it up in the trending thing anymore.
[00:55:28]  But anyway, we got it suppressed.
[00:55:31]  But the, well, what I saw about this one that I thought was kind of like, oh, interesting is like when I clicked on the Jewish trending, it wasn't just a bunch of people being like, it's so horrible that Nick Cannon was anti-Semitic, which I thought it would be.
[00:55:43]  It was actually, from what I saw, a lot of black people being like, yeah, finally, someone criticizes the Jews and they get shut down.
[00:55:50]  And that did kind of pique my interest.
[00:55:51]  I was like, oh, shit, more people are actually talking about it.
[00:55:55]  There are, as you mentioned earlier, there are all of, and this is what's funny is that, so the Republicans in general have pretty much one demographic.
[00:56:10]  There's obviously exceptions to this, but the general Republican voting block is like older white people in America.
[00:56:19]  That's like more or less who they have who vote for them.
[00:56:22]  The Democratic voting block is all of these different factions.
[00:56:26]  And they try to play to all of them.
[00:56:28]  And I think that's partly why the intersectional view is useful to them because they can be kind of like, hey, gay people, you're in the same boat as trans people.
[00:56:36]  And you guys are both really in the same boat as Muslim people and black people and Puerto Rican people.
[00:56:43]  But in reality, there's all types of different feelings from these groups.
[00:56:48]  In reality, you do not want to be in that same boat with black people.
[00:56:50]  That trip does not end well.
[00:56:52]  That is not a boat you want to be on.
[00:56:54]  It's not a good boat ride.
[00:56:55]  Believe me, you want to try to avoid it at all costs.
[00:56:58]  But if you walk into some like black neighborhood and just start discussing trans people, you might be surprised to find that the conversation is not exactly what the DNC would have as their approved talking points.
[00:57:12]  And as you said, there's all of these different kind of dynamics and the black kind of Jewish relationship is interesting.
[00:57:20]  It's one that really doesn't get discussed often.
[00:57:22]  I mean, there were like, I grew up not far from Crown Heights where there was like a mini war between the Jews and the blacks.
[00:57:30]  And this is, this is not long ago.
[00:57:31]  I mean, this is the same.
[00:57:32]  And it led to the 90s election.
[00:57:34]  Yeah.
[00:57:34]  Yeah, that's right.
[00:57:35]  I mean, what was this in the late 80s or in the early 90s?
[00:57:38]  Yeah.
[00:57:38]  So this was, you know, there's a lot of stuff like this that's all kind of swept under the carpet.
[00:57:44]  And they'd rather simplify it into this oppressor-oppressed narrative.
[00:57:48]  Do you not remember what happened in 93?
[00:57:49]  David Dinkins was our mayor, first black mayor.
[00:57:52]  And they were, as recently, in the last couple of years before COVID, there were assaults on Jewish people in Brazilian Crown Heights.
[00:58:00]  And David Dinkin announced that he's going to start cracking down and jaywalking.
[00:58:04]  So like at that point, it's like, okay, cool, cool.
[00:58:06]  Yeah.
[00:58:07]  And look, crime was, it really is, it's hard to overstate it, but it was a different New York City at the time than it is today.
[00:58:18]  Ungovernable, they said.
[00:58:20]  Yeah.
[00:58:21]  It was really, I mean, like the muggings and beatings and stabbings and murders were just, I mean, like probably 10 times higher than they are in the city now.
[00:58:31]  And there have been some disturbing trends in that area recently, which, you know, that does, I really do wonder what the ramifications of all this stuff going forward on crime in New York City is going to be.
[00:58:45]  I'm a little concerned about that.
[00:58:47]  And I'm scared it's going to eat on it, yeah, feed on itself.
[00:58:49]  And it kind of escalates, and this leads to this, which leads to that, which leads to this, which like leftists talk about that a lot.
[00:58:54]  Like you have crime-filled neighborhoods, that's going to lead to bad education because kids are scared to go to school, people scared to get their jobs, blah, blah.
[00:58:59]  And then it's like, there's something to that.
[00:59:02]  And when it's citywide, it's not going to be good, especially for poor people.
[00:59:05]  Yeah.
[00:59:05]  And there's also a dynamic where, and I know particularly that libertarians oftentimes are, you know, argue about over-policing.
[00:59:13]  And certainly it's something I've been talking about for a very long time and, you know, being against the war on drugs and all of these different things.
[00:59:20]  But the truth is that in an anarchist society, property owners would have a lot more discretion to police their own properties the way they see fit.
[00:59:31]  And what you have oftentimes with the state is you get into this weird, you know, kind of like a tragedy of the commons type thing where, okay, this is all being run by the government now.
[00:59:43]  And now if the government doesn't, you know, just kind of pulls away, you kind of have this almost like this vacuum.
[00:59:49]  They accuse us of, you know, having the problem of a vacuum, but it really happens with the within the status context.
[00:59:56]  And I wonder, you know, like I was in New York City the other day and I'm seeing just kind of a vibe where you'll see people just kind of like, I saw somebody just walk in through the street, just jaywalking with an open container, just kind of like chugging it and like cars are kind of honking at him.
[01:00:14]  And he's like, I don't fucking give a shit, whatever, I'm walking.
[01:00:17]  And you didn't see that as often.
[01:00:19]  And there's just like a little bit of like, yeah, the cops aren't going to fucking come arrest me right now.
[01:00:23]  They got a million fucking things going on.
[01:00:26]  There's riots that they fucking weren't even, you know, like taken care of.
[01:00:29]  And I don't know that that's good for the city.
[01:00:35]  This, I mean, what Giuliani put into place was something called broken window policing.
[01:00:39]  And his point was, it came from the Manhattan Institute, the idea, I think it was Michael Hugh Wilson, I forget the guy's name, that if you live in a neighborhood and you see that the windows aren't getting fixed, I'm screwing this up a little, but this is basically the gist.
[01:00:52]  I'm being truthful, but not factual.
[01:00:55]  You'll see, okay, if they're not fixing this window, people aren't really taking care of this neighborhood and making sure everything's neat and tidy.
[01:01:03]  So I'm probably going to be able to get away with a lot of stuff.
[01:01:06]  And the example they also used is, excuse me, hold on.
[01:01:10]  Bless you.
[01:01:11]  Bless you.
[01:01:12]  Thank you.
[01:01:13]  We'll take it on post.
[01:01:14]  Is that if people are jumping the turnstile and they know that they can get away with that, they're like, you know what?
[01:01:20]  Who knows?
[01:01:21]  It seems like I can probably get away with a lot more.
[01:01:23]  And we're seeing it start now where people in the last nine months, they're just blatantly playing their radio on the music, blasting it on the subway.
[01:01:30]  And there's not even a possibility of someone stepping to them or them stopping even their signs in every train car.
[01:01:36]  And as if you need to be told, you don't blast your music in public.
[01:01:39]  So that is a disturbing area.
[01:01:41]  It's like, oh, if I get away with this, let me push my luck.
[01:01:44]  Well, you can understand where, particularly if it's a black person doing it, where if a black person is committing some minor crime right now, a cop really probably doesn't want to engage that person.
[01:01:58]  Now, I'm not saying that's just like a bad thing.
[01:02:01]  There's probably a lot of good to that as well.
[01:02:04]  But you could imagine a cop being like, I don't really want to go get into an altercation where someone's going to pull out their phone.
[01:02:10]  I'm going to be on the news.
[01:02:11]  Like, this is going to ruin my life.
[01:02:13]  I'd rather just let it go.
[01:02:14]  Now, there's bad associated with that as well as good.
[01:02:17]  And the truth is, I think what libertarians, you know, like myself really would like is that I'd like there to be essentially zero enforcement of nonviolent victimless crimes.
[01:02:28]  I don't want any nonviolent victimless crime to be enforced.
[01:02:32]  However, violent crime, there needs to be enforced.
[01:02:36]  And I would much rather the police be privatized, but that's not the world we live in.
[01:02:40]  And so, you know, you just, you don't want to create a situation where, you know, where there isn't kind of like a deterrent for violent crime.
[01:02:51]  And then there's also a real problem with the government, you know, police, where things like just blasting your music on the subway or something like that.
[01:02:59]  I mean, I don't know.
[01:03:00]  When you have the state, it creates all these problems where it's like, look, I don't want five cops to come and end up cracking the head open of some guy who's blasting music on.
[01:03:10]  Oh, I disagree.
[01:03:11]  I don't want that.
[01:03:11]  Would you want that?
[01:03:12]  You do want that.
[01:03:13]  Not ironically.
[01:03:14]  Yeah, really?
[01:03:15]  Yeah, if you're going to be that brazen and flout basic civility, I have very little sympathy for you.
[01:03:21]  And here's my rule.
[01:03:22]  If I'm going to have a government monopoly of police, I'm going to have police brutality.
[01:03:25]  I don't see how there's any way around it.
[01:03:27]  So if I'm going to have police brutality, I'd rather have it against people like that than against old ladies.
[01:03:31]  Well, listen, that I agree with you.
[01:03:33]  Rather than old ladies.
[01:03:35]  Okay.
[01:03:35]  Well, you're really letting it out.
[01:03:37]  Michael Malice does not like music on the subway.
[01:03:39]  Well, I'll tell you, it is.
[01:03:40]  Because it makes everyone feel unsafe.
[01:03:42]  Well, it does.
[01:03:43]  And it inconveniences everybody.
[01:03:45]  And it's shitty.
[01:03:46]  It's just very shitty behavior.
[01:03:47]  It's like, look, we all pay to be here.
[01:03:49]  This is not yours.
[01:03:50]  You're kind of taking over other people's experience.
[01:03:53]  Venue, including someone's house or a nightclub where it's appropriate to bring your own music and start blasting it.
[01:03:59]  Yeah.
[01:04:00]  Especially when we have these, you know, nice little devices where you can just put it in your ears.
[01:04:04]  Yes, that's right.
[01:04:05]  And one of these days you're going to get around to untangling that.
[01:04:08]  They retangle.
[01:04:08]  You know how they are.
[01:04:09]  They just revert.
[01:04:10]  It's like you put it in your pocket five seconds later, it tangles up.
[01:04:12]  Yeah, you can't put them in your pocket.
[01:04:14]  Yeah.
[01:04:14]  That's the thing.
[01:04:14]  It's just, I used to have that problem all the time in the city.
[01:04:17]  It's raised because you go out on walks with them and stuff.
[01:04:19]  Yeah, it's just, it's, and then they also end up fucking breaking one of the years.
[01:04:23]  Just doesn't work.
[01:04:24]  All right.
[01:04:24]  All right.
[01:04:24]  Well, listen, that's our time for today.
[01:04:27]  Always a pleasure to talk with Michael Malice.
[01:04:29]  Thank you guys all for tuning in.
[01:04:30]  We will see you next time.
[01:04:32]  Peace.