James Smith and Peter Quinones dissect the philosophy of Black Lives Matter, analyzing audio clips they claim train individuals into Marxist factions using terms like "permanent revolution." They critique Joe Jorgensen's use of "anti-racist," arguing it violates libertarian principles by demanding equity of outcome rather than respecting private property. The hosts condemn reparations as societal madness and highlight how social justice warriors infiltrate academia and Hollywood, silencing dissenters through accusations of racism. Ultimately, they contend that logical appeals fail these groups, who rely on perpetual grievance, while exposing hypocrisy among libertarians who support non-state censorship against critics like Stefan Molyneux. [Automatically generated summary]
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Hey, what's up, everybody?
Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem.
This is the episode I was telling you about.
This is part two of a two-part series.
The first part was on Pete Quinones' fantastic podcast, Free Man Beyond the Wall.
If you guys haven't listened to that, go check it out.
You really should.
It's one of the best libertarian podcasts out there.
This is a deep dive into the philosophy of some of the central figures in the Black Lives Matter organization and movement.
And so we're going to continue part two with that.
I would recommend that people go check out part one, which is up wherever you get podcasts.
And then you can jump back into this one.
But either way, it'll be, I think it'll be worth your time.
So, Pete, thank you very much for coming on the show.
And thank you for proposing this idea.
I think it's a good one.
And very timely, huh?
Well, yes, of course, because in between part one and part two of this series, Joe Jorgensen, the libertarian nominee for president of the United States, made her now infamous tweet, which we talked about a bit on the last episode.
So I'm sure we will have no choice but to address that at a certain point.
But yeah, Pete first suggested this to me last week.
And he was like, look, I think this would be a really cool thing for us to talk about and a very important thing.
And it would be more than one episode.
So why don't we do one part on my show, one part on your show?
And I thought it was a great idea.
I really thought the first episode was interesting.
Some of these quotes are really alarming and revealing.
And it's pretty important for everybody to know this stuff.
I think whether you're somebody who's supporting Black Lives Matter, opposing Black Lives Matter, indifferent, somewhat sympathetic, wherever you might fall, which, by the way, I think probably me and Pete would fall into the somewhat sympathetic category where it's like, hey, yeah, I think there is a real legitimate gripe about police brutality.
It's something me and Pete have been talking about for years.
But then there's this other side to Black Lives Matter that's quite concerning.
And I think no matter where you fall, this stuff is pretty important.
Yeah, it's well, one thing before we start: the first three audios we listened to on my show were of Patrice Cullers, who is one of the co-founders of Black Lives Matter.
When we got to the fourth, for people who didn't listen to my show, this is from a group called Indivisible.
And they present themselves as an anti-Trump, fight the fascist kind of group.
But what they do is they get people in there and they train them to go out in the streets and to really propagandize other people.
And you hear there's a lot of Marxist language here.
And one of the reasons we use Indivisible is, and you can hear it in the last audio, is one of the things they do is they say, oh, what should I do now?
Well, look for a Black Lives Matter faction in your city.
So this group is training people and you'll hear what the training is.
And they're funneling them to Black Lives Matter.
So they're not technically Black Lives Matter, but they are giving, directing people who are receiving this training to them.
Yeah, right.
So it's all, it's kind of part of this web.
And as I said on Pete's show, it's from a libertarian point of view, you almost like admire them in a weird way.
Like you're like, hey, can we like, could you coach us a little bit?
I mean, I wish we could get our shit together and organize locally in every different state and countries around the world the way you guys do.
Like, Jesus, this is really, this is, this is impressive, especially when you look at just how much they're dominating the narrative.
I mean, I, you know, it just, it makes you imagine like, what if there was like, you know, an anti-tax, you know, organization that put this much in and organized this well.
And maybe, you know, there's, there's something where unfortunately libertarians just don't organize like leftists.
And I think that might be somewhat like in the libertarian DNA.
When you have an individualist movement, you're not great at organizing collectively.
But anyway, yeah.
So it's really quite something.
All right, let's jump in and we'll start with the next clip.
Do you want to set this one up, Pete?
This is a real short one.
I don't remember what this one is, number six.
Okay.
Yeah.
All right, just there is no questioning exactly what they're saying in them.
Okay, let's play clip number six.
To those of us who are non-black, your task is to move those around you, again, especially white people and non-black people of color, move them away from internalized racism toward anti-racist action.
Well, anti-racist action, the next clip, you'll get a definition of what that means.
But that was a clip from Joe Jorgensen's acceptance speech at the Libertarian National Convention, everybody.
Well, the look what they're saying here.
It's you have to keep moving the needle.
There is no talk about this ever being achieved.
And you have to concentrate on doing it to white people and non-black people of color.
Right.
So they're basically, they're saying we have to do this.
This is going to be, we won't be done until everyone in society is anti-racist.
Right.
Right.
And then it all kind of hinges on how you define what anti-racism is and looks like.
And of course, as I was talking about in the last podcast, there's these very, the reason why these terms are problematic, just like anti-racist and racist is problematic too, is because it's very intentionally vague.
And you don't know exactly what someone means by this, you know?
Like it's, and it's one of these terms.
I mean, racism has been, as everybody knows, has been this term that's been weaponized by the left for years now.
And what it does is it invokes the worst meaning, and then you can apply it toward a very minor, you know, a very minor instance.
So you kind of use this word that invokes like cops water hosing black people in a civil rights march or something like that.
But then you could apply it to someone saying colored people instead of people of color.
You know, like, so you can get labeled with this word.
And then anti-racism is also intentionally vague.
Like, what is it?
Okay, I'm against racism.
I don't want to, you know, beat people up for the color of their skin.
So I guess I'm an anti-racist.
But that's not exactly what it means to some people.
So let's go right into the next clip.
So there's a lot of different definitions of anti-racism, and I encourage you to read as many as you can find.
But one I found for now that I liked is the active process of identifying and eliminating racism by changing systems, organizational structures, policies, and practices and attitudes so that power is redistributed and shared equally, equitably.
Okay.
So there you go.
Isn't it funny when you go, oh, there's lots of different definitions?
I encourage you to read all of them and then gives this incredibly vague definition, but it does end with a word that should trigger libertarians, which is equity.
And I think like, you know, equality is already a big problem for libertarians.
You know, equality is, as Murray Rothbart has written a bunch about, there is equality, again, is one of these vague terms that can never really be achieved, just like eliminating racism or a war on terror.
You know, there's always going to be some terror.
There's eliminating racism, like what?
No one's ever going to have a negative thought about a different group.
And equality, of course, is impossible.
I mean, even like identical twins aren't exactly equal.
No two people are exactly equal.
And people don't end up in the exact equal, you know, place in life.
But equity is a much more strict version of that, meaning that everybody's got to end up the same way.
It's that straight up equality of outcome.
And that is, so that is what they're saying anti-racism means.
So what did you, what were your thoughts on that?
Well, I mean, I just go right to the whole Joe Jorgensen thing in the tweet because it says anti-racist in it.
And immediately, I'm seeing different things.
I'm seeing different things in everyone else because I know what this definition is because I've heard it over and over again.
And it's the farthest thing from libertarianism.
It's the farthest thing from private property.
And it's the farthest thing from the non-aggression principle.
It's the exact opposite.
And immediately what happened was you understood, like I immediately went to social media and started posting about this.
And you realize how many NPCs are in the LP because immediately they said, well, you don't like what she said because you're a racist.
Yeah.
That's what, I mean, that was their response.
The response was, well, you're just a racist.
It's like, no.
I actually know what these things mean.
She is paraphrasing Angela Davis.
And if you know who Angela Davis is, she's a radical.
She was a, she is a radical Marxist, white-hating, you know, psychopath.
She's just a total psychopath.
And so to hear the presumptive, not presumptive, but the nominee for president of the Libertarian Party is just one of those things where you're just like, you know, I stepped back from the party.
I'm not, I'm done with it.
But, but this was three or four months ago.
But to just look at that and see, it's just another Gary Johnson.
I mean, and it's work to me, that's worse than Aleppo.
Oh, yes, much worse than Aleppo.
And, you know, it's funny because I've seen so, and it's been really disturbing to me because I've, of course, I did a podcast on this the other day and I've been, you know, tweeting at, you know, about this stuff.
And it's really disturbing to me to see how many libertarians don't get this, how many of them don't get it.
And they don't get it for different reasons.
And there's a lot of just, you know, someone said, you know, like at first I kind of thought, oh, this is just kind of like libertarians being autistic.
Like they don't get the fucking, the message behind this, the moment we're living in, what it means to people to hear this that would question them being like, wait, what?
What exactly are you saying?
But then I kind of, as I'm looking over it and thinking about it more, it's like, no, that's really not it.
There is, this is a result of propaganda in a way.
This is like people have been trained.
The amount of bending over backward to go like, oh, well, she's just against racism.
What's your problem with being anti-racist or any of these things?
I mean, it's as simple as, look, you can't say that you don't realize that there's a current movement going on where the term Black Lives Matter does not literally mean Black Lives Matter.
And don't pretend that you don't get that in the same way that if she had tweeted hashtag all lives matter, all of you would realize that that's different from just saying the words all lives matter, which people tend to agree with, but that that actually means something.
There's a context here.
And all those same people defending her would not be defending her if she tweeted out all lives matter.
They would right away see that, no, that means a protest against Black Lives Matter.
That doesn't just mean the words all lives matter, but they're pretending that they don't see that here when you say anti-race.
So Bob Murphy, this was one of my favorite tweets about this, but the great Bob Murphy.
I know which one it is.
Yeah, this is, well, he had a few, but this was my favorite of the of the group.
But Bob Murphy, of course, is a fantastic economist, great guy, really, really brilliant thinker.
And he tweeted out, if Jorgensen tweets, quote, we must never throw out our heritage, hashtag unite the right, hashtag Charlottesville, then those defending her Black Lives Matter post will surely jump in to say, there's a difference between the organization and the movement, and we can't judge all marches by their worst members, right?
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Now, of course, we see that that is ridiculous.
And again, it's like, I feel like you have to disclaim so many things here.
I'm not equating all of these things together.
I'm getting at a principle here that you can't just say these things and think they're in a vacuum in the same way that, you know, people, if you were to say make America great again, like a libertarian could say make America great again.
I mean, hey, we used to not have an income tax and now we have an income tax.
Hashtag make America great again.
But obviously that is associated with a Trump nationalist populist brand right now.
And to pretend you don't get that is ridiculous.
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One of the other things I saw people saying about the Jorgensen stuff since I've been talking about this, the response is that they go, oh, so do you believe Joe Jorgensen is some secret Marxist or something like that?
And it's like, no, I really don't believe that.
I don't know who around her put this tweet together.
I believe that Joe Jorgensen probably just tweeted this out without that much thought.
Or maybe someone else tweeted it.
Who knows?
I think someone else tweeted it out.
But yeah, it's my opinion that someone else tweeted this.
I mean, think about it.
If somebody in the LP, the existing LP, is running that account for her.
Is it really a shock that they would tweet that out when you know how there's a libertarian socialist caucus that has like five people, but the but the chairman, the board, or what is he?
The chairman, the chair, he defends, goes crazy if anybody attacks any of the socialists in there.
But, you know, the Libertarian Party Mises Caucus, you know, obviously they're just there to import fascists.
Right, right.
And of course, this is like what's so absurd about this whole thing is, you know, like that you're, we're supposed to, we're like trained to have this reaction toward fascism and not have the same reaction toward communism or whatever you want to call it, Marxism or Maoism or Nazism.
That's a tweet I put out on Friday.
And it didn't even, it triggered a couple people, but a couple people, there was so much cognitive dissonance that they didn't see what I was tweeting.
And I said, if there was an organization out there that was against police brutality, but they were alt-right, none of these people would be behind them.
Yes.
But it's okay.
And it's like this organization being libertarian, which I think Eric July actually was part of the founding of that.
Not sure, but he's definitely associated with it.
This is a meme that they put out.
This is a couple of years ago.
Not all BLM supporters are Marxists, but all of them decided that communism isn't a deal breaker.
Right.
Right.
Yeah.
And look, even if there's some of them out there marching in the street or whatever who have no idea about all this stuff, well, then, okay, but you're that ignorant that you're marching along with a group and you don't even know that so many of its roots are in this Marxist flavor.
And look, you could argue, and perhaps there's a case to be made.
I mean, I don't know.
I don't really agree, but you could argue, well, I think the Nazis were worse than the commies.
And you can get into this all day.
We're talking about two brutally evil regimes.
And you could say, yeah, well, Stalin might have killed more people, but if Hitler had won the war, he probably would have killed more people.
And like, that might be true.
And they're all really evil.
I don't really care to split hairs.
I would probably say communism objectively did a lot more damage, spread to a lot more countries, killed a lot more people.
But regardless of any of that, any libertarian should recognize they were both evil genocidal regimes.
And okay, there are like some, you know, like neo-Nazi types who are out there.
They're pretty much, they pretty much can't even get on Twitter.
You know what I mean?
Let alone get any real power.
They're they're, you know, they're basically universally loathed, you know, can't get, could never teach at a university.
My God, if you even showed some, even if you had tenure, I mean, if you showed like the slightest sympathy toward fascism, I mean, they try to get Jordan Peterson kicked out just for saying like, I don't agree with postmodernism or whatever, or I don't, I don't think we should write into law that you have to, you can't misgender people.
That's controversial.
However, there are Marxists in academia, Hollywood, in government, all over the place.
So wouldn't it seem like actually we should be a little bit more concerned about this threat than the other one?
So it's just like, it seems very strange to me that people can't like, you know, get that.
It's really not that complicated.
Yeah.
And people really need to look at like the more credibility that Black Lives Matter has, the leadership like Patrice Cullers.
I mean, these are college graduates.
These are people with postgraduate degrees.
I mean, if the squad can get elected in this country, they can get elected in this country.
Yes, that's right.
That's right.
And then it's just being legitimized.
And there's something, and I think one of the deeper reasons why people, and of course, it just drives me crazy that like, you know, people, it will give you this when I start criticizing Joe Jorgensen.
They'll be like, oh, well, that says something about you.
I mean, you're, you know, you're clearly like, wow, you're really like so upset that she's against racism or something like that.
And you're like, yeah, like, I'm against racism, at least if that means like not saying the wrong term, but if you mean actually being shitty to people based on their race or something, yeah, I'm against that.
I don't do that.
And I don't like people who do that.
But I'm also, I tweeted this out before.
I said, I'm also all for Iraqis having their freedom.
But if I tweeted, I support hashtag Operation Iraqi Freedom, I could understand where some people might think I support the war.
You know what I mean?
Like we're not just, we're not mathematical equations.
We're human beings who live in a human moment and these terms have meanings.
But the real, to me, the heart of the issue of why so many people got so upset with Joe Jorgensen.
And you see all, I mean, the tweet had like thousands and thousands and thousands of responses to it with people being like, That's it, I'm out.
You just lost my vote.
And I really ask people: look, do you really think it's all because they're these racist people who were considering voting for Joe Jorgensen and they're out because she's not racist?
And no, it's not even because they think she's a secret Marxist or that they think it's something more fundamental than that.
It's that she's not standing up.
She's not standing up to the mob.
She's bending the knee.
And that pisses people off.
They go, then you can't be our leader.
Like that's that is the one thing that is required if we're going to do anything here.
Look, this is the way all these things work, whether it was the COVID lockdowns or Trump trying to pull troops out of Syria or Ron Paul trying to end the Fed or any of these things.
What they do is they create a mob.
You get swarmed with a lot of people, right?
Like as soon as Trump was going to pull troops out of Syria, it was like the Kurds, the Kurds.
Everyone loves the Kurds.
You're going to let the Kurds get slaughtered.
And these people care about the Kurds.
We haven't heard about the Kurds since then.
Like no one, none of them care, but they mob you.
And you, if you won't stand up to the mob, then you retreat and you go, Yeah, you're right.
I do care about all Kurd lives matter, you know, and then you, and then we never get anywhere.
And this was just an example that you can be bullied by the mob.
And I think that's what people have a gut reaction to.
And they go, well, then you're not, you're not our person.
And let's just, let's just remember that if she did send that tweet out herself, she pretty much lives on a college campus.
I mean, she's a professor.
So, I mean, really, I mean, you would think a libertarian would just be a little more like, but I mean, not making excuses for her.
I mean, a libertarian cannot bow to this collectivism.
And I don't understand how they can support it either.
And this is just the name Black Lives Matter is just pure collectivism.
It's everything that's been written against.
I mean, it's collectivism is Marxism, fascism, Constitutional Republic, what we have now, neoliberalism.
It's just, that's what all the stuff that we say, no, we don't want it.
But no, no, on this, because we don't want to be seen as racist.
Then, you know, we have to, we, we have to do this here.
Yeah.
100%.
Um, all right, let's move up to uh to the next clip.
Do you want to set this up or should we just roll into them?
This is more anti-more anti-racism talk.
It's number eight and it's uh just talking about the more on the strategy of doing it.
Okay.
To be clear about it right now and going forward, anti-racism is not a place that we arrive to, but a lifelong practice.
Well, there it is.
That really spells it out for you right there.
So this is straight up Marxist permanent revolution.
Obviously, we can never get there, but we will always, so you will always be called racist for something.
We will always use this as a weapon.
We will always be able to demand something new.
You know, and you can see this already.
It's like, okay, we want all the Confederate statues gone.
Okay, people agree with you on the Confederate statues.
You know what?
We want, we want Lincoln and we want Washington and we want all of them gone too.
Okay, they're gone too.
I'm good with Lincoln.
Huh?
I'm good with Lincoln.
Oh, yeah.
Listen, I hate most of these presidents.
But again, you're like, what exactly is?
But look, I'll tell you, I hate so many of these presidents, but I also do think that it's the history one way or the other.
And I find something very troubling and uncivilized about tearing down statues in this kind of reckless way.
It's like one level removed from book burning.
Like we're supposed to protect, listen, I like.
Oh, it's not.
No, it is.
That's what it is.
It is the Soviet Union taking, I mean, obviously 1984 news speak where you just eliminate whole subjects from the past and you institute, you just change the whole narrative.
But I mean, it really is what they did in the Soviet Union, where you're just going to get, and really here, too, when you go to school here, you only get the history they want you to get.
They're not going to tell you that 20 years after Lincoln was killed, they went and interviewed one of his old law partners and they were talking about the myth of Lincoln, the great man.
And he's like, I have no idea who you are talking to, who you were talking about.
And I just like, I'm all for kind of correcting the record and revisionist history.
And I do think, you know, I don't think we should like blindly worship any of these figures of the past who have these kind of like dark, you know, and in some cases, very viciously violent, you know, aspects to their life.
But I don't like in the same sense that they turned Auschwitz into a museum rather than burning it down.
I just think the more, you know, like the more appropriate civilized response would be like, okay, let's like, you know, let's do something.
Let's like, let's build some monument to, you know what I mean?
Like somebody or let's have like, you know, a museum where we talk about the brutality of what Lincoln did and how he basically enslaved a bunch of people in the North and Sherman's March or any of this stuff.
Like I'd be fine with any of that, but it's a little bit different than just bullying and tearing things down.
But to the point of that clip, you realize that this is their plan, that it will never stop.
And as trivial a thing as a syrup bottle will be the next demand or what voiceover actors do who on The Simpsons, you know, and there will always be another thing and another thing and another thing.
And it is this kind of permanent revolution that we will never be allowed to just have a spontaneous order and have liberty to any degree.
Well, no, there's always a new thing that's going to and because all of these things like equity and all of these things don't arise organically, if people are left free, they will not end up with equity.
We know this for a fact.
You will always need to force them into this.
They will always need to be forced into adjusting something about your society because obviously you're never going to have a society where there's just no racists, let alone a society of anti-racists.
It's just, it's impossible.
Yeah.
I really have no more on this.
I was looking to see what the next audio was.
And it's the next audio is so very insane where it's just truth doesn't matter.
If you don't know the truth, validate your own ignorance and just keep going forward.
I mean, there's only three audios left.
The last one is a role play where you get to see how they train people to talk to other people.
And you also see that they're sending people to Black Lives Matter groups and everything like that.
But yeah, this one coming up is just, I mean, I had to listen to it like five or six times because I didn't really believe what I was hearing.
I thought I was just misunderstanding what was going on.
All right.
Well, let's play it.
Okay.
Last but not least, option C is validate your own ignorance.
And I do want to give a caveat about this.
I really love this particular one, but I want to be clear.
When I say validate your own ignorance, I'm not encouraging folks to use ignorance as an excuse for not doing anything or to stop where you are, but just rather to say that if you don't know what to say in response to someone else's argument or point, or if you don't have enough information to assuage your concern, their concern, that's okay.
Your feelings and your beliefs and what you're arguing for is still valid.
So you could just say something like, you know, I'm honestly not sure about that, or I don't have enough information to speak to that impact, but I still feel angry and concerned about the violence against black lives that got us here.
Wow.
Wow.
That is really something.
That is some brilliant propaganda.
I mean, so you're coaching low information people on how to not be persuaded when they hear an argument that might like have a real good point to it.
So if someone comes at you with an argument, you go, huh, you know, that does make a lot of sense, or that does poke a hole in my logic, just tune that out.
Because no matter how ignorant you are, you're right.
Let me just tell you, you're already right about everything.
Don't worry about trying to find truth or common ground.
That's something.
Well, and the whole thing about whatever you feel, that supersedes anything.
It's like, I want you to ignore the fact that I don't know what I'm talking about, but I want you to see what my feelings are.
I want you to feed off of my feelings.
And if my feelings right now are anger that we have to go burn something down, that's what we should be doing.
Right.
It's literally, that's literally the argument she's making there.
That's why I told you it's so insane that was like, I had to listen to that five or six times because you listen to that.
And that's not how rational, normal people, that's not a conversation you're going to hear in the workplace.
Yeah.
In a regular workplace.
I mean, but yeah, it's, I would, I don't know how, I don't know how anybody continue to support.
The Problem with Equality00:04:02
And listen to the way they're talking.
I mean, they are, this is obviously about the whole Black Lives Matter movement.
And, but the problem is they're fine with the violence.
You know, what we talked about in the first on my show is the violence is fine.
And if you have to, I think it might be the next audio, but I mean, they really start making excuses for the violence and basically guilt you and say that if you if you have any problem with how these people are uh protesting, then you're a racist.
Right.
Right.
And there really is, you know, it's unbelievable when you start to look at these things and say, okay, so, you know, if you would just play, you know, the thought experiment for a sec with how would people have reacted if Joe Jorgensen had said white lives matter?
Forget even going to all lives matter.
Like what if she had said white lives matter?
That would have been, I mean, she would have been done.
The LP would be scrambling to hold another convention to have another, you know, nominee.
I mean, that would ruin you.
So give me all this anti-racism news speak bullshit.
You have your own racial preferences and your own racial judgments.
Now, you can make some argument that, well, those two things don't mean the same thing because blacks have a history of this, but you could deconstruct saying white lives matter and be like, no, I'm just saying like white lives matter.
And, you know, white people are killed by the cops a lot more than black people.
So I'm against that too.
And you could, you know, you could make an argument, but everyone would know.
And all of these people would judge it.
They would call you a fucking Nazi if you said something like that.
I've always, you know, it's funny because I get labeled, you know, I've been called racist a couple times in my day, which always, I really think, has no effect on me because I'm not.
And so I don't feel this need to like overcompensate and be, you know, like, I think so many of the people who are get so triggered by that shit are overcompensating for something.
And I just don't feel that way.
And maybe it's, maybe it has something to do with being a Jew or something where I kind of had an identity that was like, well, I'm kind of over here and you're these two groups and I'm just going to call them as I see them.
But my thing, and this is why I get called racist, is that I feel like we should treat everyone equally.
This is the irony of this whole situation.
I feel like my inclination is to go like, well, I mean, if you can say Black Lives Matter, you can say White Lives Matter or you say neither.
You know, you just like, that's kind of how I feel about it.
And in the same way, and this is how I treat everyone, this is literally what I get in trouble for is that if I like, I'm kind of a fan of Malcolm X.
I go, oh, yeah, I kind of respect someone who goes, we want to go our own way, live our own thing.
We want to be separatists.
I go, okay, well, good for you.
I mean, I don't know.
It's not exactly how I want to live.
And if I hear a white guy say the same thing, I go, eh, okay, you know, go ahead, go be a white separatist.
I don't really fucking care.
It doesn't like, it's not like I'm fine with one and triggered by the other, which was what I'm expected to be.
So because I try to treat everyone equally, they're so convinced that you shouldn't be treating people equally, that you must be the racist in order to do this.
Now, you can make an argument, right?
And I understand you can make an argument.
You go, well, look, there was slavery, there was Jim Crow, there was all this fucked up shit.
So you can't just treat white people and black people equally.
You have to tilt it in this other direction to balance out for the past.
I just don't really buy that.
I kind of feel like, well, what are we going to do?
Enslave white people for a couple hundred years and then have 100 years of Jim Crow for where white people have unequal conditions.
You can't correct for all the mistakes of the past.
The reason the past was fucked up is because we were treating people unequally.
So let's just kind of across the board, not judge people by races and judge them as individuals.
And that gets you labeled as racist these days.
So people need to understand the shit that's going on here.
Why Reparations Matter00:11:02
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Let's bring up like reparations.
You know, Walter Block, channeling Murray Rothbard, says, if somebody can prove that their family was damaged by a family now, that's fine.
But, and I agree.
You know, when you, if you read like Ethics of Liberty by Rothbard, I think that that would clearly spell that out, that there would be no problem with that.
There would have to be compensation on both ends, but that could be worked out.
But I mean, could you imagine blanket reparations?
I mean, like, I did my DNA test.
I'm 6% sub-Saharan African.
Does that mean that I get reparations?
6%?
Yeah.
Yeah, that's not even a drop.
That's not even like the one drop, you know, period.
I think I deserve some reparations here.
And I've traced my dad's family back.
My dad's family has been slaves and owned slaves at different times, you know, in Europe, not here, because they didn't come here until the 50s.
But yeah, I mean, this is just, it's madness.
I mean, and if, and the reason I brought up reparations is, okay, imagine they did do reparations.
Is that where it stops?
Are they going to be happy?
Or is it just going to keep going?
Well, I also, and this, when I say they, when I say they, most of my friends are black.
I live in Atlanta.
They all think reparations is the most ridiculous thing they've ever heard.
Now, they'll tell you, oh, I'm going to take it if you're going to, if you come, I'm fucking taking whatever you give me and everything.
But they think it's the most ridiculous thing they've ever heard.
And where does, you know, one thing, now, listen, my main concern is in, you know, justice because I'm a libertarian.
That's what we care about.
So, of course, I agree with Walter Block and Murray Rothbard and you that, yeah, I mean, if you can demonstrate, like if you can prove that money was stolen or, you know, something like that, then yeah, sure, you can, you should be able to win a judgment for that.
I think that's reasonable.
And that also, so, so, like, my main concern is justice, but you also have some concern for like, what type of situation are you creating here?
Like, what, now that's a very good, healthy situation because it's like, okay, people know that past injustices can be righted to the best of our ability if it can be demonstrated, but we're not going to victimize people today, you know, for no reason.
But I just, I wonder if like, if anyone ever thinks, and I think a lot of these people in the Black Lives Matter movement, like the people whose clips we're playing, I think they're aware of this and they like, you know, racial tensions.
They like, they think that that's part of the kind of permanent revolution Marxist thing.
But I wonder how many people, do you think that will improve race relations in America to have reparations?
You really want every white person in America to see on their paycheck, this is the money that was taken from you that was given to black people.
I mean, there's already racial resentments that are heightened because there's, you know, the perceived or actual reality that black people are on welfare disproportionately or something like that.
So white people get taxed and they feel like they're paying for black people who aren't working.
And that kind of heightens racial tensions.
But you want to explicitly show them this is where you're getting taxed for reparations to slavery, something you had nothing to do with.
No one in your family had anything to do with.
And then what do you think is going to happen every time they see a black guy with like fancy sneakers or something like that?
They're going to be like, yeah, that's my fucking tax month.
Like, why would you want to do this?
You're going to create a society that's pitting groups of people against each other.
And I think you asked the question and you answer.
That's why people want to do this.
Well, you are, that would pit a society against each other.
And that's what Marxists want.
They want conflict because they thrive when conflict is there because they go in and pretend they have the answers, but their answer is really extending it out.
It's the whole, you know, it's the whole thing about just Jesse Jackson and the Al Sharptons of the world.
I mean, Jesse Jackson's been around for how long fighting for black people?
I mean, who's gotten rich besides Jesse Jackson from Jesse Jackson's efforts?
Right.
I mean, yeah.
But the, yeah, and let's not forget that we got off on a little bit of a tangent here, but let's go back to the fact that facts don't matter.
So it's like, how do you, how are you ever going to, if you want to work with these people, if you want to side with Black Lives Matter, the movement on the ground, as opposed to the org and every, and it's like, that's the most ridiculous thing.
And I tweeted out today.
I said, yeah, I support the brown shirts.
I don't support the SS.
Right.
Yeah.
I mean, doesn't it say something if the movement is naming themselves after that organization and if members of that organization are out in the streets with the movement?
I mean, okay, I listen, I understand the point of saying, well, not everybody who's out on the street is tied into this, but you're telling me I can't discuss that?
Like, I can't mention that this is kind of related to that.
I mean, like, and you know, again, like we said before, it's this type of attitude would never be given to a different side.
Like if it was anything right-wing, we've been trained to know, no, I'm sorry.
And you know what?
Sometimes that's fair.
I mean, if you're in a march and only, you know, a few guys there have like, you know, swastika flags out, the rest of you are kind of still marching with people who have swastika flags out.
So it does kind of taint the whole thing.
And likewise, same with the hammer and sickle.
I mean, if I see people out there with that, I'm kind of like, well, you may not all like, don't get me wrong.
Yes, I assume the vast majority of them have never read anything.
I don't think they know that much about it, but they're still, for whatever reason, willing to go along with this shit.
And it is tough.
You know, when you say something like facts don't matter, the thing that comes to my mind, right, like is logic.
Like, I just think of like some Hoppyan argument or, you know, something about self-detonating, you know, self-contradicting statements.
Like, obviously, this can't exist.
If you say facts don't matter, you're saying it is a fact that facts don't matter.
And I'm presenting you with this fact that matters.
You're contradicting yourself just by opening your mouth.
But the thing that I've been grappling with a lot lately is that they don't care.
It's like, okay, great point.
Sweet logic, bro.
We don't care.
This is the message we're telling people.
And people are receiving this message.
So the power of logic is not going to win the day, unfortunately.
Yeah.
I mean, if there's one message that I could get into people's heads from doing these couple episodes is that you may be supporting them, but and you talked about the appealing to SJWs.
It's like you're never going to do enough.
It's never going to be enough.
Even if they got police reform, even if they got police reform that we liked, that we were like, whoa, wait a minute, this is exactly what we want.
Police just follow the non-aggression principle.
They're out there to protect body and property.
They can only get violent if someone gets violent with them or gets violent with someone else.
That's awesome.
Great.
It's not going to stop there.
It's not going to stop there.
And these audios prove it.
I would rather talk to, I mean, like, I think you'd have more success and I would just enjoy the conversation more, but I would rather talk to Like a fucking hardcore, um, like you know, like the nation of Islam.
I'd rather talk to black Israelites, I'd rather talk to white separatists, I'd rather talk to you know, branch Davidians.
I mean, like, there's like a whole group of people that are very different that have all types of beliefs that I probably wouldn't believe in.
Like, I'm not really convinced that David Koresh was the second coming of Jesus, but I'd rather talk to him and his group about like the role of government and what we think this should be.
I'd rather talk to, I'd rather, I'd go hang out with like Elijah Muhammad or like you know, Farrakhan or something like that and talk to them.
Randy Weaver, a white separatist, a guy who thought a thought a race war was coming, so he moved to within a half hour of the Canadian border in Idaho.
You're gonna, you're gonna be able to convince him of more, more your point and more probably of libertarianism than any of these SJW types.
And I mean, I know using the term SJW just is like almost like cultural Marxism now and everything.
It's the best, really, the best way to describe them because a social justice warrior, properly understood, is one of these people who is never going to be happy.
And is, I mean, I put out a tweet, and uh, I think it was this morning, or it was yesterday.
I said, Many of the people that you are many of the people that many of you are defending would line you up against a wall given the power to do it.
Biden's Political Pandering00:15:13
Okay, no, one 100%.
Oh, you see them when they try to go after people's careers and ruin them.
Like, that's that's not a joke.
That's a that's a really serious thing to do to somebody to try to go at how someone supports their family.
And they'll do it without thinking twice about it.
I mean, they don't care about like ruining uh somebody, and somebody who would do that, you do have to wonder like if they had the power, what would they be willing to do?
And I think that a lot of people, and a lot of really good and really smart people, um, have not perceived this uh as much of a threat, even though they kind of think it's like it's annoying and it's stupid, but who's really going to believe in any of this shit?
And it's just kind of like, okay, there's just like some dumb people in on college campuses who believe this and they'll grow out of it or whatever.
And while people had that attitude, they've really taken over the universities.
Um, and that's like kind of grand, like it's kind of like a cult where there's like these different levels, you know, like where you're like, that's like grand wizard level, you know, like they, you know, believe it all, will cut people out of their lives, all that shit.
And then it's kind of like they have this influence where, you know, people in Hollywood pander to them.
I don't know if they really believe it as much as the college gender studies, you know, major, but they pander to them and they, and then the politicians pander to them, and then everybody's kind of pandering to them.
And before you know it, you're like, well, what's checking this philosophy from just exploding?
And it turns out kind of nothing.
And again, it's not that, you know, this is mobilizing disenfranchised black Americans is a big part of their goal.
And I think that, like, this is just my suspicion, is that I think a lot of that is because that's their tough guy area.
You know, I talked about this a lot back in like 2016 and stuff like that, where I go, there was something really brilliant about what Donald Trump did, where he would always pander and cater to the toughest people.
And when they said, when the RNC was talking about changing the rules and stealing the nomination from them, and he said, if you try to do that, there'll be riots in the streets.
I thought that was like political genius because what he was saying was straight up like, okay, I've got all the fucking big, tough fucking miners and roofers and fucking all these guys who are like our minds.
They're the hard, tough working class Americans.
I got the gun owners with me.
I got the cops with me.
I got like all these groups that you're like, oh shit, those are an actual fucking threat.
And you got Jeb Bush's nerds.
You want to see, you want to see some type of conflict between these two?
Like, how do you think this is going to go?
So it was always praise the military, praise the cops, praise the gun owners, praise the tough people who work with their hands.
And on the left, you're like, what are you going to go to war with your gender studies majors?
I mean, like, who are you going to have as this fucking permanent revolution?
But here's their play.
They're like, well, we know some real fucking thugs in the hood.
If we fucking, you know, like really persuade them that there's this whole system and that they go get the cops, again, with some truth to it, we can get them to go fucking run in and loot this store.
And you see little examples of this in the riots where there are these agitators handing out bricks to thugs and like telling people where to go loot and this stuff.
So they'll have you go in and do your shit.
And maybe you get arrested or something and end up going to jail for 10 years, whatever.
That's fine.
They go back to their college campus.
But there's something about this dynamic, which is like there's, it's part of it.
Yeah.
I'm going to toot my own horn a little bit here.
Back in 2017, I decided I wanted to self-publish a book and I put out a book that basically attacked the state.
And in attacking the state in the book, a lot of it is attacking the right.
There was a little bit of attacking the left in there, but it's probably more the authoritarian right.
So I decided to follow it up with a book attacking the left.
And you wrote the forward for it.
And I went back and looked at it because you write a book and you forget about it.
You're like, I don't even remember what I wrote in that.
And you were talking about these power centers, like, you know, Hollywood and everywhere.
In there, I had written a page on that these people are getting these degrees that are pretty much useless.
Well, a lot of the people who get useless degrees end up in human resources departments of huge companies.
And what have we seen since this all started?
All these companies that are now woke and everything.
I mean, do you maybe some of them had to bring in people to help them be more woke in their in the way they're going to talk about how they're going forward in the future?
But I would be, I wouldn't be shocked if the HR departments were already set for this because they where are these people going to go once they graduate?
Yeah.
And I like, I have no problem.
Okay, in the literal definition of the word, I have no problem with like the LP saying we want to be against racism.
Like we want to be anti-racist.
We find, you know, whatever their platform says something about bigotry being collectivist and repugnant.
Okay, I'm fine with all of that.
I have no problem with the Mises caucus saying we don't like identity politics, you know, okay, fine.
But then why is it that something like the book white fragility gets a fraction of the outrage that any right identitarian, you know, movement would get when they have nothing like that.
They don't have any book like that that's like, oh my God.
Listen, if some like, you know, alt-righter, if that's even a thing anymore, I don't know.
But if one of them, if Richard Spencer wrote a book and it was like the most popular book in America, I'd understand, okay, you're going to blast this and put a lot of energy behind that because this is like real, ugly identity politics that we don't want to be a part of.
Okay, fine.
But that's not what's happening.
The reality is all this shit is happening.
People are getting fired left and right for saying the most like what would have been considered a completely normal thing to say even five years ago.
And there's a book out there, this white fragility thing, just like pure hatred of white people from a white chick, but whatever.
But it's like pure hatred of white chicks.
So why can't I just like also have a reaction against that?
And this is a whole part of it.
And this is why the whole thing, and why it's a useful thought experiment to ask yourself, what if Joe Jorgensen had tweeted all lives matter?
What if she had tweeted white lives matter?
And while you're preaching to everyone else to be anti-racism, maybe look into your own prejudices a little bit.
Why have we been trained to be so comfortable with one, but not the equal opposite?
It's worth pointing out.
And now you hear these people in these quotes breaking down how they're training people.
It's interesting.
I'm not saying it's an all-encompassing thing, but it's really worth thinking about.
Yeah.
I believe the next audio is going to go into some more of the facts don't matter and ways to manipulate your not only feelings but ignorance, more of that.
So, okay, let's play the next clip.
And then, last but not least, a very common theme right now: you might be hearing folks say something like, I support the protesters, but violence never helps, or rioting never helps, or looting never helps.
The best practice we want to offer here is primarily to redirect to shared values with a side dose of appeal to their best self.
So, a couple notes here with redirect to shared values.
For one thing, we want to avoid rabbit holing about the specific thing the person is arguing for or against, not because we don't care what they think about that, but just because it can be more productive to focus on the values and the needs underneath that that person really cares about and that you care about too.
And that kind of brings us to the part about appealing to their best self.
Sometimes the easiest way to get someone on board with what you're saying is to talk to them as if they already are, or imagine that you're talking to some part of them deeper down that's already with you.
Well, that's actually that's just straight up sales.
It's just like assume, assume the sale.
This is, it really is like this is this is really brilliant propaganda.
It's like you know, some people might have some hang-ups, you know, they might say, Hey, I just saw a woman beaten within an inch of her life with a two by four, and I kind of thought that was wrong.
And it's like, okay, yes, you have to deal with that, but now we have to appeal to your better self.
There's this larger picture involved, you know, it's not, yeah, okay, I get what you're saying.
You have a reaction to watching people destroy someone's business so that they can get a new iPad.
I get it, that's gonna, you know, like that watching your city burn down might create some feelings of like, I don't think this is good in you, but here's where we have to appeal to their better self and assume they're already with us.
This is fucking creepy apologizing for violence.
I would want to say that it's ends justify the means, but they don't, there is no ends, right?
You know, so it's like, well, being violent and beating people and looting is perfectly fine because you know, that's how we achieve our goal.
But what's our goal?
They've already said that, like, anti-racism is a lifelong thing that'll never be achieved.
So, to me, what they're saying is the goal is to just inflict as much chaos upon society as they can until society starts to, until, well, it's not going to be society, it's going to be the government, it's going to be the elected officials, bow to them and start ceding ground.
Yeah, and then it just doesn't stop, and it's happening already.
I mean, they are already like giving ground.
I mean, look, Joe Biden put out, oh, let me rephrase that.
Joe Biden didn't put anything out.
Someone who has their thoughts together around Joe Biden put out proposals for his administration.
Now, you don't know exactly what kind of, you know, what will end up actually getting in there or whatnot.
Some of this is just pandering to get votes.
But there's all these little things in there that are really informed by this kind of equity worldview.
One of the things he said was that this is one of the major complaints by the left that is that black kids are suspended from school at disproportionate rates to white kids being suspended from school.
And so Joe Biden has proposed legislation to make it that you can't do that, that you have to suspend kids in a proportional manner to the racial makeup of society.
So now all of a sudden, you're not suspending a kid based on their behavior or based on other behavior.
Now, it might be true that like these things are complicated and they're layered.
Okay.
But there is a real violent crime problem in the black community in America.
Okay.
Now, by the way, the victims of it are mostly other black people.
So if you care about black people, it's like, yeah, we should probably try to see if there's anything we can do about this.
I have my own ideas about what's caused this.
I think obviously the welfare state, the war on drugs, I think all these things have been disasters.
I do not believe it's like a genetic function.
In fact, I find that right-wing argument really stupid.
And also just the fact that it's kind of demonstrably false.
Like if you look at the illegitimacy rate in the black community, well, it used to not be like that.
So obviously it's not a genetic function.
I mean, the legitimacy rate in the black community went from like 70% in wedlock to like 70% out of wedlock or something like that.
So it's obviously a function of circumstances and environment.
But that being said, if there's this violent crime problem in the black community, that might be why kids are getting suspended more likely.
But now we're going to force what schools to keep kids who are beating people up or something like that in school in the name of racial justice.
I mean, these are like really creepy policies.
And that's just one of like a list of policies he put forward.
So yeah, it's like all of these things in the name of equity or anti-racism that are really bad, really un-libertarian policies.
And it's this stuff is fucking creepy.
One of the reasons, another reason I wanted to put this out there is I think a lot of people can listen to this kind of training and just really poo-poo it and put it as you know, brush it aside.
But what they're doing is they're training normal people to go out.
And if you understand like the breakdown of this country, I mean, you have probably one third on the left, one third on the right, and then you have this middle.
And that's who everyone's fighting over.
The people on the left, when you start talking, because I mean, basically what this all is, is we're just going to accuse you of being racist until you become anti-racist.
And the people on the left aren't going to have any problem with that.
Most of them aren't.
I mean, there's, you know, maybe some of the more centrist liberals and they might fight against that.
The right's going to tell them to go fuck themselves.
But those people in the middle who are just living their lives, just going to work every day, they don't want to be, they don't want to appear as racist to anybody.
That's the last thing they want.
Most of those people just want to be left alone.
And that's why this is dangerous is because these people go out, get this kind of training, go out into the workforce and get around people.
And they start spouting this stuff off and they start putting this stuff out there.
And it can really actually start swaying a large segment of the population.
Now, I'm not, I don't care about democracy.
I don't really even care about voting, but the culture is what is going to move everything, is what is going to affect you on a daily basis.
And that's what they're going after.
And if they, it's pretty easy to see how they can get a hold of it, especially if libertarians are supporting them.
Yeah.
You know, one of one point that the left has, and when I say this, I mean like the more kind of like principled, you know, leftists, the kind of, you know, the more economic, like democratic socialist type.
Jimmy Doerr.
Jimmy Doers, the Noam Chomsky's of the world, the people like that.
Ostracizing People Appropriately00:14:30
But there's a point that they'll make sometimes, even like Richard Wolf, who I think is a little bit of a blowhard, but they'll make this point as like a counter to libertarians.
And I don't think it's a fair counter to us, but it is a fair point.
And they'll say things like, well, yes, governments can be oppressive, but there's a lot of other forms of oppression in the world as well.
And I don't think that that justifies government.
I think that's the essential libertarian understanding is that, yeah, you're right.
There are these other things, but the state still, we still shouldn't initiate violence against people in order to get them to conform to a certain way.
But there is a really fair point to say that the state is not the only thing that can oppress you.
And somebody saying, if your employer says, we're going to fire you if you don't have the exact right views, that can be somewhat oppressive too.
If Hollywood and the media is demonizing certain groups, that can fuck with you too.
Look, if your entire neighborhood decides to shun you, that can also be pretty fucked up.
Now, libertarians essentially believe that the state shouldn't be used for any of this.
And I believe in that very much.
And I think that the state will not solve these problems.
It will make them much, much worse.
But there is something to these other, like I was saying before, these other power centers, these other forms of oppression in society that since we don't want the state involved, we got to kind of figure out how we're going to use these things.
And they're tools that are important.
I mean, sometimes it's appropriate to ostracize people.
Sometimes it's appropriate to fire people.
But they really seek while trying to control the state as well to control all these different apparatuses and make sure that anybody who just kind of goes like, even if somebody, you know, is just saying like, oh man, these fucking, I saw these people acting like savages looting this fucking store the other day.
They'll be like, you're a racist.
You hate black people.
You're fired.
And you're like, well, I didn't say black people were savages.
I'm saying this group of people who I saw fucking beating someone up and looting their store.
Those people, those 12 people, not saying every, but they train you to kind of like confine you into this worldview.
And I agree that I think it's something that people got to pay attention to.
And it's almost getting to the point where it's not going to be much longer that you have an option to not pay attention to it because it's coming everywhere.
Well, you were saying about how not having the approved opinion can get you fired.
Those same libertarians who are like, well, if you don't agree with what Joe Jorgensen tweeted, you're racist, are the same ones who will just go, well, it's a private company, dude.
They can do whatever they want.
Oh, they kind of want you fired.
They're kind of quite happy with that.
Like, look, they cheered when fucking Stefan Molyneux's YouTube page got taken down.
I feel however you feel about some of the stuff you put out there.
It's like, that's what you want.
You want that world where someone could just have their work taken away from them?
Really, literally, a digital book burning.
That's what you're for, as long as it was a private book company and a private, you know, a group of people doing the burning.
And then you start to realize, you start to ask yourself about those libertarians.
They go, what position have you ever taken that was dangerous at all?
What position have you ever taken a position that could actually get you in trouble?
That could actually get you fired.
And the answer is almost always no.
The answer is almost always no.
And then ask yourself, then what value are you providing?
I mean, if you're never saying anything that could get you in trouble, that goes against, this is the brilliant fucking line.
My favorite line that Tom Woods ever wrote in Real Dissent was his thing.
And I'll paraphrase it and not do it justice.
But when he said about being against slavery until was it 2016, I think he wrote that book.
And he was like, if you're against, or 2015, maybe, he was like, if you're against slavery in 2015, it's basically meaningless.
Slavery has been abolished all around the world and 99.99% of people agree with you.
It doesn't mean anything to be against slavery.
But if you were against slavery in 1840, that really meant something.
And you were probably putting yourself in personal danger to be an abolitionist.
So that's the only question that matters.
Are you willing to stand up against something that's evil when it will cost you something?
So all those people who are happy for other people who say unpopular things, even if they're the wrong unpopular things, to get ruined for it, it's like, oh, yeah, this is why, because you have no fear that that'll ever happen to you because you will say whatever is popular.
And that shit just disgusts me.
Yeah.
The people who are championing YouTube and everyone and Twitter for taking down Stefan Molyneux, those are the people who will back Black Lives Matter until the point where they're up against a wall.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And unfortunately, this is how it always works with totalitarian movements, in particular with the communists, the communist movements everywhere, is that a whole bunch of those people put up against the wall were communists.
They're just, you know, like they're the ones, as soon as the revolution is over, the revolutionaries are the ones who become the biggest targets because they're the ones who have already had practice overthrowing a government.
And now you get in and you're the new government and you're like, well, I don't know about these guys because pretty soon some of them might realize that we're actually not going to do shit for the proletariat except starve them.
So, you know, it's like they might, oh, some of these guys might be true believers.
That's a little dangerous.
All right, let's play.
We have one more clip, I believe.
Okay.
Yeah.
This is, it sounds ridiculous when we start listening to it, but it's just two people role playing.
It's like, oh, well, how would you say this to this person?
So they've been talking about all this stuff and now they're going to role play.
And you'll, then you get the reveal that they are telling people, after you learn all this, go be in a Black Lives Matter group.
Find a Black Lives Matter group.
So.
Okay, let's play.
No, for sure.
I mean, no, I'm like totally with you on that.
That made Alex makes a lot of sense to me.
Yeah, I don't know.
I guess sometimes I just, maybe what comes up is like, aren't there more effective ways to make a difference than rioting?
Like, it just feels really hard to understand how looting is going to is going to help.
Yeah, I definitely share your curiosity.
Something I've learned recently is that we as white people should not be telling or questioning why or how black people are protesting.
Like one way we can support black activists is by doing their asks, listening to what they need.
For example, I've been following requests in my neighborhood for people to contact our local elected officials to push for police accountability.
Have you heard of anything like that in Chicago?
No, I mean, I don't know.
I don't think I really hear about that kind of stuff very often.
Oh, well, it's easy.
A great place to start is social media.
Do you follow Black Lives Matter?
They're pretty easy to find on Facebook.
You can just search Black Lives Matter, Chicago.
I bet you'll find them.
Keep on participating.
Okay.
Let me just, I guess I'll check this out right now here.
Oh, yeah.
There's like a lot of ghosts popping up on this first search here.
Yeah.
Okay.
Cool.
Okay.
Yeah, that sounds good.
Like, what else is going on with you?
Yeah.
Okay.
What they're doing is they're saying you can't question rioting, looting, anything.
Now that you have this training, go join Black Lives Matter.
Yeah.
That's right.
Now that we've gotten you to acknowledge that any behavior taken by black people cannot be questioned, go ahead and join up with your chapter.
This is your obligation.
And white people can't question how black people protest, even if that means violently beating people up, looting, any of that shit.
And then also, by the way, we can't, you know, I guess, question the white people who are doing it along with them.
That's also completely okay because they're kind of on that team, which is also, you know, the convenient thing to how this gets played.
Like none of them ever say, you know, if Eric July is making some point, no one, none of them ever go, oh, you can't question what he says because he's a black guy.
So he's got to be right.
It only really applies to the black people who are suiting the Marxists interests.
But that is really quite something.
God, let me just say, because this is so obviously should be the libertarian response to this, that if any libertarian doesn't have this response, I just don't understand how it would be.
If someone said, well, you can't question, you know, what is looting and rioting help?
You go, well, I don't think it's our role as a white person to be able to question them.
You'd be like, bullshit.
I can question how anyone behaves in the same way that any black person could question how white people behave.
White people can't go like, who goes, didn't Dylan Roof kill all those people in the church?
You go, well, I don't think black people should, you know, question how a white people, well, they're like, what?
No, fuck you.
That guy's evil.
And you have every right to question that.
And vice versa.
It's the exact same thing.
I have every right to say, no, you can't fucking assault people.
You can't vandalize churches.
You can't loot businesses.
No, you can't do that.
That is unacceptable behavior, period.
And if libertarians, you know, you really do see where this is the antithesis of libertarianism, where what I remember, okay, so I got very quick, and then I'll give you the final word and we can wrap up.
But so I was in a debate about abortion with, it was me, Walter Block, and this woman, I'm blanking on her names.
I think it was Avans.
I apologize.
Evans O'Brien.
Yes, that's who it was.
And it was the cringiest, craziest.
I wanted to shut it off.
Well, this is the thing, right?
And she's kind of like a left libertarian.
I mean, she may not define herself that way, but she is, whether she knows it or not.
You know, and that's oftentimes left libertarians are like, what?
I'm just a libertarian.
But then you say things like this.
And this is what she said to me, which I really kind of like took me back a little bit.
But at one point she said, and she was arguing for the pro-choice position.
I was arguing for the pro-life position.
And at one point she said, she goes, well, you know, like laws restricting abortion is telling a woman what they can do with their body.
And I don't really think libertarians are into telling people what they can and can't do.
And I remember I responded and I said, that's exactly what libertarians are concerned with.
That is the essence of the whole philosophy is telling people what they can and can't do.
That's it.
We draw a very clear line of what you can't do.
You can't initiate violence against peaceful people or their property.
That's what you can't do.
That is the whole philosophy is to, but the left libertarian is kind of like this mindset of like, well, whatever, just do kind of, you know, no rules, man, or something like that.
But of course you can tell people what they can do, what they can't do.
And that's what any libertarian should see about this.
It's like, no, if you all of a sudden decide there's this one group that we can't tell that they can't violate people's property or initiate violence against people, then the whole thing kind of falls apart.
No, of course you can.
You can tell people that they can't be violent.
You absolutely can.
I mean, in self-defense aside, that they can't initiate violence.
So anyway, that's my final thought.
I'll give you the closing thought on that last clip or anything else, and then we got to wrap up.
Yeah, what I've seen in the last couple of days is the same people who actively go and say that Dave, Dave is trying to recruit alt writers for the LP.
Those same people who don't want to be associated with far right, people on the far right have no problem completely defending people on the far left.
They have no problem with that association.
And you know what I think it goes back to?
I think that even some libertarians actually believe that whole friggin thing of, well, people on the left, they really mean well.
They just, which is total fucking horseshit.
These people are violent sons of sons of bitches who will line you up against the wall.
Yeah.
So, and so will the far right.
Right.
Why are you choosing one?
Yeah, no, the far right's a little more honest about it.
They're like, yeah, we'll line you up against a wall.
You know, I mean, not all of them are, but like, but it's just, there really is this thing.
And it's like, how much evidence, I mean, how much would have to happen in the 20th century to dispel you of the idea that the far left are just misguided, but they're not really evil.
I mean, they don't really have evil intentions.
I mean, no, they are just as power hungry.
They can be just as evil.
And if they get out of control, can be just as deadly as the far right can.
And yeah, I think that's a fair point.
Again, I still, you know, I still haven't gotten any criticism from that whole group of people for like being too chummy with Jimmy Dore or referring to Jimmy Dore as great.
I mean, doesn't that say something?
Like if you go like, okay, so if I, you know, compliment Stefan Molyneux, that gets outrage from libertarians.
But if I compliment Jimmy Dore, it gets none.
Like you, you can't argue to me that you cannot even present the argument that Jimmy Dore is ideologically closer to ANCAP libertarians than Stefan Molyneux is.
You just can't make that argument.
And by the way, I'm fine with people who criticize Stefan Molyneux.
If he, you know, if he gets something wrong, go for it.
Criticize him.
Like, that's fine.
And also with Jimmy Dore.
But like, anyway, that is interesting and it's kind of revealing.
And honestly, I think the truth is most of the people who criticize it, they're not doing it in good faith.
And they're kind of just looking to, I think, you know, lob accusations and insults at people.
And as we said before, kind of go with the approved opinion.
Okay, so that's our show.
I really appreciate you coming to me with this idea because I think this made a great two-part series.
And everybody out there, if you haven't already, you got to go check out Free Man Beyond the Wall.
It's one of the best podcasts out there.
I really love it.
And I've benefited a lot from listening to it.
So thank you, Pete.
Anything else you want to plug?
Go to YouTube and search the monopoly on violence.
Anarchy Reversed00:00:59
Of course.
It's at Stateless Productions.
That's the channel.
That's a documentary that myself, Chris Kofer, and Robert Biller put together to bring anarchy to the public.
And now we're in 45 minutes of just explaining that how horrible the state is and that there could be a better way.
And we, you know what's one thing that we do that the left wouldn't do if they made an thing about anarchy?
We gave them a fair shot.
We said, hey, these are the founders.
They were the ones who came up with the term libertarian, with anarchy.
But if it was reversed, I don't know if we'd get a fair shake.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't.
The film is really fantastic.
I was really honored to be a part of it.
So one more time.
Thank you very much, Peter Quinonez, and we will see you on the next episode.