Part Of The Problem - Dave Smith - The Cathedral Collapses
Aired: 2020-06-06
Duration: 01:06:37


=== Roll Back The State (03:30) ===

[00:00:00]  Fill her up.
[00:00:02]  You are listening to the Gash Digital Network.
[00:00:07]  We need to roll back the state.
[00:00:09]  We spy on all of our own citizens.
[00:00:11]  Our prisons are flooded with nonviolent drug offenders.
[00:00:15]  If you want to know who America's next enemy is, look at who we're funding right now.
[00:00:20]  Every single one of these problems are a result of government being way too big.
[00:00:33]  That's nonsense.
[00:00:34]  Where's Romney?
[00:00:35]  Look at the index.
[00:00:36]  Oh, hey.
[00:00:37]  Oh, I didn't see you guys there.
[00:00:38]  What's going on, everybody?
[00:00:40]  Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem.
[00:00:42]  I was just catching up on some light reading.
[00:00:45]  How is everybody?
[00:00:46]  We are back with another crossover episode.
[00:00:49]  The man, the myth, the legend, the wonderful, Michael Malice is joining us.
[00:00:54]  How are you, sir?
[00:00:55]  I'm ecstatic.
[00:00:56]  How are you?
[00:00:58]  I'm glad to hear that.
[00:00:59]  As the city burns, Michael Malice owns the night.
[00:01:05]  Have you seen, we were talking about the other day on your show, some of the most delicious aspect of all of this has just been the media narrative collapsing into itself like a black hole.
[00:01:18]  And they just can't figure out what exactly, like what I love, one of the things I love the most is when the progressive cathedral has like two of its narratives getting pitted against each other.
[00:01:33]  Yes.
[00:01:34]  And so like one has to be wrong.
[00:01:37]  So, you know, the example that a lot of people use, which was really great, was in 2008 when there was a Prop 9, I believe it was in California, which was to legalize gay marriage.
[00:01:47]  And the Obama election drove this record high black turnout.
[00:01:51]  And they all voted down the proposition to legalize gay marriage.
[00:01:54]  And then the media is there like, all right, so whose side are you on?
[00:01:59]  Black people or gay marriage?
[00:02:01]  And it's like you just see their heads explode.
[00:02:03]  Well, no, they pretended it was, they were confused.
[00:02:06]  And then they started saying it was the Mormons.
[00:02:08]  Is that the Mormon vote came in and drove?
[00:02:10]  And it was just, it's the most pathetic thing.
[00:02:13]  So the one that's happening now is that they're really pitted between the white agitators and the black protesters.
[00:02:22]  And so if you see a bunch of black people throwing bricks, well, it must have been brought in by these outside white agitators.
[00:02:29]  So now all of a sudden it does seem like Antifa's real for the first time.
[00:02:36]  It just, Antifa started to exist.
[00:02:38]  Yes, all of a sudden, it's really, it's something to behold watching them try to put this all back together.
[00:02:46]  I don't know.
[00:02:47]  I had, so one of the things I've been, we talked about this on my show earlier this week.
[00:02:51]  One of the things I've been fighting very hard and what my next book is going to be about is fighting the black pill and the idea that, you know, we're doomed.
[00:02:59]  And you could still be pessimistic and not take the black pill.
[00:03:02]  The black pill is like, it's give it up.
[00:03:04]  It's just at this point, and I think many people could be like, all right, it's not looking good for us, but don't give up hope on the West and America, especially, which are very different perspectives in my opinion.
[00:03:14]  But last night, you know, they were having a meltdown because the New York Times had an editorial by Tom Cotton, senator from Arkansas, who's obviously someone whose points of view carries a lot of heft in our government and is someone that whether you like him or not, you have to listen to him because this guy has power.

=== Fighting The Black Pill (02:32) ===

[00:03:31]  And they were freaking out, like the members of the staff and whatever.
[00:03:35]  And one of their employees, some writer editor, she tweeted out, I understand, because he was saying that we need to shoot on these people, right?
[00:03:44]  Well, he was calling for the military to come.
[00:03:46]  And at a certain point, it's like, okay, it's like with the COVID, right?
[00:03:49]  There's no, they don't understand, they don't understand or they pretend they don't understand trade-offs.
[00:03:55]  It's either this goes on in perpetuity or you have to outforce them.
[00:04:00]  Those are really two of the, there's not that many other options, or you can convince people to stand down, which would be a third option, but that doesn't seem to be happening, especially with this administration.
[00:04:09]  And one of the cathedral operatives tweeted out, I understand why people think I work for a tobacco company.
[00:04:19]  And that had been a rephrasing of my quote, which is, the battle is won when the average American regards a corporate journalist exactly as they regard a tobacco executive.
[00:04:28]  And what's amazing to me is everyone, well, the midwits have to come in and be like, tobacco executives are better.
[00:04:35]  I'm like, what do you think regards means?
[00:04:38]  Regards doesn't mean identify.
[00:04:40]  It means we just got to get them to that point.
[00:04:42]  They're still wrong, but we just got to get to that point and we're set.
[00:04:45]  So they are already recognizing, you and I have discussed this in the past.
[00:04:50]  To what extent are they aware of how much they are hated and despised?
[00:04:55]  And it's got in their defense, I'll empathize with them.
[00:04:58]  If you go to the office and everyone around you thinks you're smart and funny, it's like being a hot chick, right?
[00:05:03]  Like Brian Stelta is the hot chick.
[00:05:05]  Everyone tells him he's smart.
[00:05:06]  Everyone tells him he's funny.
[00:05:07]  Everyone tells him he's insightful.
[00:05:09]  Then you go to the internet, which is widely known to be a cesspool, which is not inaccurate.
[00:05:14]  And you're told you're a potato and you're a moron and you're dipshit.
[00:05:19]  And first of all, psychologically, which is going to be easier to accept.
[00:05:22]  And second of all, which is more likely in a sense to be true?
[00:05:25]  The people who have jobs to work with you or anonymous assholes on the internet?
[00:05:29]  So you can't, in a sense, blame him for thinking, okay, I am smart and funny.
[00:05:32]  And these are just haters, right?
[00:05:34]  So to have it come permeate to them, this New York Times woman, even one, not only that we despise you, but the precise way in which we despise you.
[00:05:46]  It's not because you're a woman.
[00:05:48]  It's not because you're from New York.
[00:05:49]  It's not because you have liberal political views.
[00:05:51]  It's because you're promoting death for the sake of profit, if that.
[00:05:56]  And that is a very specific type of antagonism.
[00:06:01]  And I am shocked that it got through.

=== Hate For Profit (08:35) ===

[00:06:04]  And this is one of the reasons I think we will win.
[00:06:06]  Because for them to be getting this understanding, even through their moats and all the psychological constructs that they built around themselves to maintain their edifice of normalcy and morality, it's just a glorious day.
[00:06:20]  Yeah, you know, on this topic, Gene Epstein said this on the podcast years ago.
[00:06:26]  And this always really stuck with me.
[00:06:28]  And it was Gene Epstein's case for radicalism and optimism.
[00:06:35]  And the example he used was he said, if you were sitting around in 1845 and you said, hey, in the next 20 years, I think slavery is going to be abolished across the West.
[00:06:50]  People very rightfully in some way could have looked at you and said, you're fucking crazy.
[00:06:56]  This has been troublemaker.
[00:06:58]  But the idea of thinking this could possibly happen, like slavery has been with us for all of human history.
[00:07:05]  It's an institution that entire societies are built on.
[00:07:09]  There's no way this could possibly happen, but it did.
[00:07:12]  And if you were sitting around in 1983 and said, you know, within the next nine years, the USSR is going to fall.
[00:07:22]  It'll be a peaceful disillusion of the Soviet Union.
[00:07:26]  People would go, what?
[00:07:28]  It's just not possible.
[00:07:29]  There's no way.
[00:07:30]  But all of those things did happen.
[00:07:32]  And so even when things look really dark and really just like built into the system, there are these moments where humanity can take huge strides forward.
[00:07:44]  So I agree with you.
[00:07:45]  It's easy to take the black pill, but it is not the right path to go down.
[00:07:50]  My buddy Simon from Czech Republic, former Yugoslavia, his mom got pregnant while under the communism.
[00:07:58]  And it never entered her head that her son would live in a free Czechoslovakia.
[00:08:03]  And that is exactly what ended up happening.
[00:08:05]  So I get how there is this once-bitten, twice-shy aspect, because especially people like us who are skeptical of the state, to say the least.
[00:08:16]  to have any kind of hope we're going to see good news politically is nonsensical.
[00:08:21]  You know, it's kind of like hoping, well, maybe they're not going to want to go to war this year.
[00:08:24]  Maybe they're not going to increase the budget and all this other stuff.
[00:08:27]  But it's not simply a function of democracy and voting and there's outside forces.
[00:08:32]  And already, I was just minutes ago, the Minneapolis police, they were talking about city council, we're talking about disbanding the police department.
[00:08:41]  Now, I'm not saying it's going to be on Kapistan tomorrow.
[00:08:45]  What I'm saying is when these types of radical ideas enter the food chain, this is something that is exactly what we want.
[00:08:53]  Because then you, for example, if let's suppose just someone started floating the idea of ending the Fed.
[00:08:59]  I mean, wouldn't that be great?
[00:09:00]  Like, we're not going to believe it's going to end tomorrow, but the fact that people are going to understand what the Fed is and that there's alternatives to it and why are we letting it get away with any opposition, really, that people just take it for granted.
[00:09:12]  It's when things aren't taken for granted, that is a huge prerequisite for effective structural change.
[00:09:22]  And the thing that I just tweeted out is electing Trump showed Americans that everything's on the table.
[00:09:28]  Because it's like, all right, this is the president now.
[00:09:31]  Okay, let's talk about not having cops then.
[00:09:33]  If you want to play this game where like this guy's president, sure, let's not have cops.
[00:09:37]  Like, why not?
[00:09:38]  I mean, that's a lot more sane.
[00:09:39]  We've had places without cops before than that this guy's the president.
[00:09:44]  Yeah.
[00:09:44]  And one of the things I've been thinking about over the watching these riots take place across the country is that, you know, for so long, libertarians have talked about the police state and the militarization of the police and, you know, the incarceration rates and, you know, harassing people for silly things that, you know, nonviolent, victimless crimes.
[00:10:10]  And really what I'm watching happen is that the police actually, for all the militarization of the police, for all of the people that they lock up and stuff, what they did in the example that would be used for against me or you in a hypothetical, well, you can't be an anarchist because what if this happens?
[00:10:31]  This just happened.
[00:10:32]  And they abandon their post.
[00:10:34]  I mean, they literally, they have dis New York City, for example, they've disarmed essentially.
[00:10:39]  It's next to impossible to get a gun in New York City, let alone a concealed carry permit.
[00:10:44]  You can't protect yourself.
[00:10:45]  They're like, nope, we're the monopoly on protecting your life and your property.
[00:10:50]  And then when the mob came in, they went, all right, go ahead, take it.
[00:10:54]  Take Macy's, take this whole thing.
[00:10:56]  And it's almost like I'm going, wow, is it more, you know what those guys talk about with the term anarcho-tyranny?
[00:11:03]  Like maybe that's a more accurate description of what's going on here than just a police state.
[00:11:09]  It's kind of a mix of both.
[00:11:11]  You have this like heavy fist of the law that will come down on some hairdresser who wanted to go out during COVID and open her salon.
[00:11:23]  She'll get thrown in jail.
[00:11:24]  But then while they're smashing your store, oh, sorry, we'll sit back and watch them do it.
[00:11:31]  Yeah, this was actually the crux of my pro-Hamilton argument when I was with Tom Woods, meaning because the alternative wasn't anarchism versus a minarchist state.
[00:11:41]  It was what kind of minarchism, right?
[00:11:43]  Federal or state minarchism.
[00:11:44]  And the point that Hamilton understood is there's two types of weak government.
[00:11:49]  There's weak in the sense that you and I would be like, all right, where it's like limited and performs its functions, very specific, small functions very well.
[00:11:58]  Or there's the kind where it's ineffectual.
[00:12:00]  And that's kind of in between both chairs in the worst of all worlds, where you have the people, you know, lawful people are basically obeying the law, but then they can't enforce the law against unlawful people.
[00:12:12]  So everyone ends up getting screwed.
[00:12:14]  And that kind of like Detroit being an example of this.
[00:12:16]  They're really good at making sure no one who obeys the law has guns.
[00:12:20]  And they're really bad at making sure that people who don't obey the law don't have guns.
[00:12:24]  And they're really bad at providing the minarchist vision of peace, safety, and security in your person.
[00:12:31]  But they're really good at making you scared and whatever.
[00:12:34]  And it ends up being this kind of horrible middle ground, something that you usually like, but in this case, it's obviously just horrific and terrible.
[00:12:43]  This is not my moderate vision of the world.
[00:12:47]  Let's slow down a little Hamilton.
[00:12:49]  My God.
[00:12:50]  So I think that is something I think a lot of people are binary thinkers and have to understand a little bit of nuance, both in the Hamiltonian argument, which you don't have to subscribe to, or subscribe to rather, but certainly just in terms of looking at politics, like it's not as simple as smaller is better.
[00:13:08]  Because in some ways, smaller is actually bigger because then you do have this kind of anarcho-tyranny situation.
[00:13:15]  Right.
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[00:14:39]  I've been thinking, I mentioned it on your show the other day, but I've been thinking a lot about that line that you said in the Hamilton debate where you said Hamilton understood that the biggest threat to liberty was the mob.
[00:14:51]  And that's something I've really been thinking about a lot over this last week.
[00:14:56]  You know, we spend so much energy on the threat to liberty that is the state, but you look at the mob right now and that can be a pretty big threat as well.
[00:15:03]  And historically, like, you know, Salem witch trials and things like that, there's been examples of the mob being every bit as tyrannical, if not more so, than the state.
[00:15:15]  And that is a real concern.
[00:15:17]  And I think something that Americans are witnessing.
[00:15:21]  And this is something that isn't discussed about race relations because, God forbid, you look at race relations from the white person's point of view.
[00:15:28]  That goes against the, you know, the founding mythology of the civil rights movement and contemporary progressivism.
[00:15:33]  But if you look at 100 years and they always talk about lynching and how bad lynching is, and that's a no-brainer.
[00:15:38]  It's horrific.
[00:15:39]  But what people often forget is imagine you're a child or just an innocent bystander.
[00:15:44]  They didn't just lynch these people.
[00:15:46]  They would dismember them.
[00:15:47]  They cut off their generals and would keep them as souvenirs in their house and things like that.
[00:15:51]  So imagine like your regular guy, this guy's a rapist.
[00:15:55]  He raped this white woman or he killed her.
[00:15:56]  You know, like I put, I'm fine with putting a bullet in something like that.
[00:16:00]  But to watch your neighbors degenerate, you know, saying the black people, the animals, degenerate, take a human being who's screaming for his life, physically tear him apart, cut him up, and lift him up in front of you.
[00:16:14]  You're not going to, on the one hand, you're going to be like, okay, I'm glad he got justice, but I can't imagine any human being sees this and goes back to their house and is like, oh, everything's fine.
[00:16:25]  That is extremely disturbing to even imagine, let alone see.
[00:16:30]  So the fact that that's not even on the table is also another huge white pill in terms of how much better we all have gotten as a society.
[00:16:38]  Because if you saw something like that today, you wouldn't even be able to wrap your head around it.
[00:16:44]  That's quite a story to tell on the couch to your shrink.
[00:16:48]  I don't know.
[00:16:48]  I guess it goes back to this one time when my father and his buddies dismembered this guy in front of me.
[00:16:54]  And we kept his foot on the mantle.
[00:16:57]  It's like, what are you talking about?
[00:16:59]  And the thing is, a lot of these conservatives bring up this case.
[00:17:02]  There was this white girl and her boyfriend and a bunch of black kids did that to her.
[00:17:06]  They raped her for hours.
[00:17:08]  They cut them apart.
[00:17:09]  It's like, yeah, like you're right to be extremely disturbed about it.
[00:17:13]  And you're right that this is wrong, that this is not discussed more prominently.
[00:17:17]  And this is a testament to the cathedral's agenda.
[00:17:20]  But yeah, it's horrible.
[00:17:22]  Yeah.
[00:17:23]  I think that as you mentioned, the idea that you're never allowed to look at things from white people's perspectives.
[00:17:29]  You're never allowed to mention any racial grievance that white people might have.
[00:17:35]  You know, I really think this is not helpful.
[00:17:39]  I don't think it's helpful to black people.
[00:17:40]  I don't think it's helpful to white people.
[00:17:43]  I think it's really bizarre how, and in many ways, like I said before, we've seen push come to shove and the media will throw white Antifa under the bus before they'll throw black people under the bus.
[00:17:55]  Like that just correctly.
[00:17:57]  Well, perhaps, but there's it, it is a little bit incorrect to me, the absolute unwillingness to criticize anything black people do.
[00:18:09]  So we all have to pretend that there's just the whole situation is outside agitators, white people coming in, bricks being laid out, but we can't hold any responsibility on the people who grab the bricks and are throwing them through windows if they're black people.
[00:18:25]  It just doesn't seem right to me.
[00:18:28]  Was it, I think it was Doug Stanhope who had this whole bid about what percent of black disadvantage in America can you say is the responsibility of black people?
[00:18:38]  5%?
[00:18:39]  Just 10?
[00:18:40]  Something?
[00:18:41]  None of it.
[00:18:42]  So I think that is a funny thing, but I think that also is changing to some extent because, you know, I was discussing this with you, like watching Chris Cuomo explain to Don Lemon about how upset Black Americans are using the words of Tupac.
[00:18:58]  It was just like the most white thing I've ever seen in my life.
[00:19:01]  But I think there is increasing within black intellectuals and the black community, this Farrakhan-like sense of this is on us.
[00:19:11]  And we can't expect white people to help us.
[00:19:13]  So we better get our shit together, if only for our own families and for our futures.
[00:19:18]  And I think you're seeing there's this kind of part of Kwanzaa too, this sense of black self-ownership and self-responsibility, which is permeating out on the extreme left, which I would guess would reach the mainstream through MSNBC and outlets like that and maybe Vox.
[00:19:33]  And I think that is very, very healthy because all of these other cathedral operatives, they still think they're marching on Selma when they do a Facebook update.
[00:19:42]  It's just funny.
[00:19:43]  I'd like the idea that Anderson Cooper thinks he's Nalcom X is really just, we talk about the levels of narratives being removed from reality.
[00:19:51]  Like that's where we are.
[00:19:52]  Yeah.
[00:19:53]  And you would just hope, and I know that there have been some voices saying this, but you would hope that it would start to resonate with people.
[00:20:02]  Like, this does nothing for you.
[00:20:05]  All the, you know, what is it?
[00:20:06]  So vote in a black face.
[00:20:08]  What's that?
[00:20:08]  If Joe Biden chooses Kamala Harris, what is that going to do for the black community?
[00:20:13]  What did Obama do for the black community?
[00:20:14]  This does nothing for you guys.
[00:20:16]  Like, at least get, like, I wish for all this like mob unrest and everything, at least have like four policies that you're actually behind that you'd want.
[00:20:25]  Like, okay, these are tangible things.
[00:20:27]  But I think they do, but we just don't know what they are because they're not going to report them.
[00:20:31]  They're going to report what Don Lemon says.
[00:20:32]  They're going to report what Chris Cuomo says as the solutions.
[00:20:35]  And I would bet any money that if you and I went to like some big Black Lives Matter website, they would have bullet points.
[00:20:40]  Nobody.
[00:20:42]  But you're not going to hear about them, right?
[00:20:43]  Because it's much easier to be like, okay, these are black people being upset.
[00:20:47]  So the conservatives are going to be like, okay, these are black people being upbitting.
[00:20:50]  They're upset and they're blocking traffic.
[00:20:51]  And they're yelling in your face at a diner.
[00:20:54]  What the hell's up with this?
[00:20:55]  Which is correct.
[00:20:56]  And then the lefties are like, oh, the answer is the answers we've been giving you for decades.
[00:21:00]  It's just the Republicans don't listen.
[00:21:01]  And it's like, we actually, I would bet any money that they've got very specific things that they're agitating for.
[00:21:08]  Yeah, no, I'm sure you're right.
[00:21:09]  I'd probably disagree with half of them.
[00:21:12]  Sure.
[00:21:12]  But it's a lot more coherent than Orange Man Bad.
[00:21:16]  And this is Russia's fault.
[00:21:18]  That's the thing.
[00:21:19]  I had this poll on my Twitter, which is not very scientific, of course.
[00:21:22]  And I said, of these two, whose views do you think you more align with?
[00:21:27]  Black Lives Matter activists or collegiate white women?
[00:21:30]  And the Black Lives Matter activists were winning seven to one because there is this belief that, okay, these are a group of people who are trying to make things better for their own population, you know, who are kind of maybe their tactics you don't like, but they certainly have a perspective.
[00:21:46]  Whereas these are the worst, where they're just making trouble for the sake of making trouble.
[00:21:51]  Their ideas are nonsensical.
[00:21:53]  They have no skin in the game.
[00:21:55]  And they're just annoying as hell.
[00:21:57]  Yeah.
[00:21:58]  And it really, I think it's counterproductive for everybody involved.
[00:22:03]  If you're going to see, and listen, obviously, I understand there are a lot of white Antifa agitators.
[00:22:11]  There are all of these elements, but there's no question there's also a lot of black people who are setting fires and beating people up and looting.
[00:22:18]  And if you say you're not allowed to call that out, like I see this behavior, but if I if I criticize black people are calling it out.
[00:22:25]  Right.
[00:22:25]  It goes, but what is that?
[00:22:27]  All that does is build tension and resentment.
[00:22:30]  And also it's not helping you at all.
[00:22:32]  I mean, it's not like, you know, if you're not a part, if you're not trying to loot, then it's not, it's not helping you at all to like shield them from that.
[00:22:38]  And there is, I got to say, I've been, you know, I know you don't, you don't identify as a libertarian or an anarcho-capitalist.
[00:22:46]  You always just call yourself an anarchist.
[00:22:48]  Yeah.
[00:22:48]  And I've, even though me and your views are very similar in terms of, you know, the role of government and politics and stuff like that, but I've never been more just disgusted with libertarians.
[00:23:01]  Not so much libertarianism, but libertarians.
[00:23:04]  And of course, there's a few who have been great.
[00:23:07]  A few good apples, Dave.
[00:23:08]  A few, yes, just like the cops.
[00:23:10]  We have a few good apples in the libertarian movement.
[00:23:13]  But I just, it seems to me that it's so like people are getting upset at me for calling out the vicious assaults and looting and rioting.
[00:23:22]  And it's like, what are you?
[00:23:24]  Are you too much of a coward?
[00:23:25]  Are you playing by the left wing's rulebook?
[00:23:27]  Like, I've really been like, where the hell is, you know, Rand, where's that streak?
[00:23:32]  I mean, I know where she is, but I'm just saying, like, where's like, yes, yes, burning in selfish hell.
[00:23:39]  But I mean, Ayn Rand would have called this.
[00:23:42]  Just hear her right now calling out the savage behavior of the mob is the antithesis of liberty.
[00:23:49]  You know, like I can just hear she would not hesitate for a second.
[00:23:52]  She worried about whether you're going to call her a name.
[00:23:54]  She had an article about this.
[00:23:55]  It was called The Chickens Coming Home to Roost.
[00:23:56]  So basically, this is happening when you left in late 60s.
[00:23:59]  She wrote about this at the time.
[00:24:00]  She goes, You built this.
[00:24:02]  Yeah.
[00:24:02]  Yeah.
[00:24:03]  And I mean, like, come on.
[00:24:04]  How, how would you not call this out?
[00:24:06]  It's every.
[00:24:10]  Oh, you broke up on me, buddy.
[00:24:12]  Destroying private property.
[00:24:13]  Oh, did I?
[00:24:14]  Did I break up for you, Brian?
[00:24:15]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:24:16]  Go ahead.
[00:24:17]  Okay, I'll start over.
[00:24:18]  It's everything libertarians should be against.
[00:24:20]  They're committing vicious assaults.
[00:24:22]  They're destroying private property.
[00:24:24]  It's anti-civilized behavior.
[00:24:26]  So it's just, it's very strange to me to see libertarians.
[00:24:29]  And then, you know, it's like the only thing that I've seen that so many of these libertarians have to offer is like, well, it was, it was wrong what those cops did.
[00:24:39]  And I feel like at this point, isn't that kind of like a useless statement?
[00:24:44]  It's like, oh, are you against slavery also?
[00:24:47]  Yeah, everyone knows it's wrong what those cops did.
[00:24:49]  Of course, it was despicable, but even cops agree with you.
[00:24:53]  Well, I was saying, I was on Tom's show earlier today, and I was saying it would be kind of like if Ron Paul had gotten up on the stage in 2007 and, you know, in the debates and he goes, you know what?
[00:25:04]  Terrorism is evil.
[00:25:06]  Yeah.
[00:25:06]  And I think the people who commit terrorist acts are evil.
[00:25:10]  It's like, so then what's the point of you being there?
[00:25:12]  If you're not, you're not adding anything.
[00:25:14]  You're not willing to say anything courageous.
[00:25:16]  It's like, no, how about actually stand up for something that might get you in a little bit of trouble that others aren't saying and be like, hey, I've been talking about the cops being evil forever, but you know what?
[00:25:26]  You don't get to just loot Macy's.
[00:25:28]  I'm sorry.
[00:25:29]  Like, you don't get to just destroy businesses that had nothing to do with this.
[00:25:32]  You don't get to deface churches.
[00:25:34]  You know, like, this is just, this is awful behavior.
[00:25:36]  And does it even really take that much courage to say that?
[00:25:40]  Yes, it does.
[00:25:42]  I mean, you know, it does, because I think when you're part of a herd, when you, it's like, you know, many of these packs of animals, these are the real animals.
[00:25:51]  PACK behavior is that when an animal is weak, they're often pecked to death because it's going to drug predators.
[00:25:56]  And so they're very much thinking in that sort of mindset.
[00:26:01]  And again, I mean, I've talked about this with Thaddeus Russell.
[00:26:04]  Like, if you're on the left, a certain type of leftist, like to see a black person in trouble and that you could, you know, defend in any context, I mean, they're tripping over themselves.
[00:26:15]  They can't wait.
[00:26:15]  Oh, my God.
[00:26:16]  This is my personal march on Selma.
[00:26:17]  I'm basically Martin Luther King.
[00:26:19]  So they're ecstatic.
[00:26:20]  And it completely, I talk about this in my book, reduces black people to a vehicle for white salvation.
[00:26:28]  Like they're not human beings and human beings sometimes do fucked up shit and sometimes human beings do nice things.
[00:26:33]  But like, no, they're there for me as a white person to sanctify myself.
[00:26:39]  They're a means to an end.
[00:26:40]  It's really a very twisted mentality.
[00:26:44]  And if you talk about racist, racists not viewing black Americans as fully human, this is a whole other level because this is not someone with agency.
[00:26:53]  This is not, hey, this is what I also love.
[00:26:55]  This is an example with the conservatives that just tweeted this out earlier today.
[00:26:59]  It's like, well, you shouldn't vote Democrat.
[00:27:01]  It's like, hold on.
[00:27:02]  You're saying if I vote for the political party and then like I'm like robbed at knife point in my neighborhood, I was asking for it.
[00:27:09]  You really think, well, if you vote Republican, there's not going to be, like, what about San Francisco?
[00:27:13]  Are you saying there's not that much violent crime there, from my understanding?
[00:27:17]  Oh, well, they're voting Democrats.
[00:27:19]  So, you know, they should expect more violent crime.
[00:27:21]  That's so stupid and it's so collectivist because it's often the idea that you're going to have Republicanism is not even there.
[00:27:28]  But even if it was, I don't know that it's necessarily going to make things profoundly better.
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=== Creating A War Situation (05:21) ===

[00:29:02]  You know, the other thing that drives me crazy about that Republican narrative that, well, it's just the fault of Democrats, you know, running these cities for a long time.
[00:29:09]  Well, look, fair enough, point.
[00:29:11]  Democrats have run a lot of these cities and not done a very good job.
[00:29:14]  Okay, fair enough.
[00:29:15]  But you also might ask yourself why these communities have stuck with the Democrats for so long.
[00:29:22]  And a big part of it is that they're not wrong.
[00:29:26]  They know what the Republicans have been.
[00:29:28]  Like, you know, not that many, not, I don't know what the percentage of white people who are like very aware that Ronald Reagan was shipping drugs into black communities while fighting a war on drugs is, but it's way higher in the black community.
[00:29:44]  Like they know that shit.
[00:29:45]  This is not something that they're unaware of.
[00:29:48]  They know what the Republicans are and they know exactly how the Republicans treated them.
[00:29:52]  And that's part of the reason why they've gone with Democrats for so long.
[00:29:55]  So yeah, I just, I, that whole narrative to me is just, I don't know, the very blue-pilled Republican, you know, establishment bullshit.
[00:30:06]  Anyway, it's just, it has been to me a moment where I've kind of been, I got to say, I've been a little bit, look, I'm no fan of the cops and I never have been.
[00:30:19]  And I think that cops abuse their power all the time.
[00:30:21]  I think power corrupts.
[00:30:22]  I think that police have all the problems that come along with monopolies, but it's much worse because it's a monopoly on enforcing laws, you know.
[00:30:32]  So it's like the worst kind of monopoly.
[00:30:35]  But that being said, I do, you know, when it comes to like the mob versus the police, I'm probably more sympathetic to the cops than I've ever been in any other situation that I can think of.
[00:30:49]  And even when they go, and I've seen cops doing some horrible things that I don't, you know, that I think are outrageous, with, you know, where they're like firing rubber bullets haphazardly at people, not all of which are violent people, you know.
[00:31:03]  Did you say yesterday that I got to interrupt you?
[00:31:05]  There's this girl who was bopping the cop in the face with a balloon.
[00:31:09]  You know what I mean?
[00:31:09]  Because she's, and he just went and fucking pepper sprayed her.
[00:31:12]  It's like she starts screaming like she'd been murdered.
[00:31:15]  And I'm like, I'm sorry.
[00:31:18]  You do not deserve a proportional response if you go up to a man and start hitting him in the face with anything.
[00:31:24]  You deserve a beating.
[00:31:26]  How bad can I feel for you?
[00:31:27]  I mean, it's also when they're like, they'll be like power.
[00:31:31]  Yes, they'll swarm them, 50 people and start pounding on a car and then be like, oh my God, he drove into the crowd.
[00:31:38]  And you're like, what?
[00:31:39]  Are you serious?
[00:31:40]  Am I supposed to feel bad here?
[00:31:42]  Am I supposed to feel like that's a car?
[00:31:45]  That's what cars do.
[00:31:46]  Don't stand in front of it.
[00:31:47]  I don't know.
[00:31:48]  And it's like, if you try to create a war-like situation, then, okay, this is going to get ugly.
[00:31:56]  And really, I'm not saying the cops have done a lot of fucked up shit, but in this moment here, you guys are the ones creating the war-like situation.
[00:32:03]  So don't, you know, it's so funny to me because for so long, people like myself and you, we've been lectured to by the left when you'll defend gun rights and they'll be like, what do you think?
[00:32:13]  You're going to take out the government with your little AR-15?
[00:32:17]  You think you're going to beat the militarized police?
[00:32:20]  And then it's like, well, you guys are trying to do it without guns.
[00:32:24]  What do you think is going to happen?
[00:32:26]  You think this is going to be a successful revolution?
[00:32:28]  You are straight up fighting for a revolution right now.
[00:32:31]  When you're like taking Macy's, that's like taking New York City.
[00:32:35]  You're like, we are taking this city over.
[00:32:38]  What do you think the response to this is going to be?
[00:32:40]  Facebook updates.
[00:32:42]  Yeah.
[00:32:43]  I'm like sternly worried.
[00:32:45]  Did you, that really, by the way, and this was like a real like Randian moment that I had.
[00:32:52]  It really, it was heartbreaking to me to see them taking Macy's.
[00:32:57]  I saw this.
[00:32:57]  Macy's on 34th Street?
[00:32:59]  Macy's, the Macy's on 34th Street.
[00:33:01]  I didn't buy it today.
[00:33:02]  It was fine.
[00:33:03]  Well, I think they boarded it up afterward.
[00:33:06]  So this is the cops did rush in there after, but they fucking broke a window and swarmed into fucking Macy's, which for people who don't know, Macy's is huge.
[00:33:15]  You could be in Macy's for a year and nobody could find you.
[00:33:18]  Like it's a huge department store.
[00:33:20]  But there was something about watching it.
[00:33:22]  You know, New York is my city.
[00:33:23]  I lived my whole life in this city.
[00:33:26]  And Macy's is Macy's.
[00:33:28]  It's like the American 34th Street.
[00:33:30]  Yes, it's the first department store.
[00:33:32]  I think Macy's might have been around in the year 1905 or something like that.
[00:33:35]  Like Macy's is there.
[00:33:36]  And to watch that being taken, I did feel this kind of Randian, like the, this is like the great accomplishments of man and industry and commerce.
[00:33:46]  And then to watch this barbaric behavior just kind of take it over was, it was really funny because it's very affordable.
[00:33:55]  Like you can actually afford pretty much a lot of Macy's.
[00:33:57]  And if you go to Macy's.com, they have huge sales all the time.
[00:34:00]  I just got a great blazer from there for $100.
[00:34:04]  Macy's like a great place for like, if you're like some like poor guy who has a job interview and needs a suit and tie, Macy's is like the spot to go.
[00:34:12]  Yeah, and you'll look great.
[00:34:13]  Yeah.
[00:34:14]  So that is sad.
[00:34:16]  I did not see that footage and I'm saddened to hear about it.

=== Contradicting Your Narrative (11:30) ===

[00:34:23]  Okay, you were just frozen again.
[00:34:24]  I just, yeah, no, I got that.
[00:34:27]  Yeah, it was, it was really disappointing and really, really heartbreaking for me to say.
[00:34:31]  I mean, not as heartbreaking as some of the other images that have come out, but that one was pretty bad.
[00:34:35]  So here's another dynamic on your theme of narratives collapsing, which has really been the one that to me is the craziest.
[00:34:45]  And I think everybody's kind of noticed this.
[00:34:47]  But the fact that COVID has gone away is just, this is too staggering to me.
[00:34:52]  Like I've lived through things where, you know, a lot of the seeing things like Sean Hannity supporting Donald Trump while he says we should get out of these wars.
[00:35:03]  And like, if you're old enough to remember the Bush administration, you're like, what?
[00:35:06]  How are you not going to at least say like, oh, I was wrong and this is why I changed my mind?
[00:35:10]  You're just contradicting your narrative.
[00:35:12]  But in his defense, he at least waited nine years before he did it.
[00:35:18]  Yes, it's nine minutes later.
[00:35:20]  So they had this hospital, you know, like doctors and nurses, medical professionals were coming out and kneeling with the protesters.
[00:35:33]  And then there was this group of epidemiologists who like wrote this letter saying that, you know, while COVID is a national health issue, racism is also a national health issue.
[00:35:44]  And we stand with your right to protest.
[00:35:46]  And it's like, holy shit, I'm sorry.
[00:35:50]  But you just told all of America that we had to suspend everything for months.
[00:35:56]  But now because it's racism, it's okay.
[00:35:59]  Did you see what Tom Wood's tweet was about this?
[00:36:01]  I don't think so.
[00:36:02]  He emailed me.
[00:36:03]  He goes, his tweet was, I was so proud of him.
[00:36:05]  He goes, I guess what we're learning is that it's okay to kill grandma if you do it for the right reasons.
[00:36:10]  I did see that.
[00:36:11]  Yeah, phenomenal.
[00:36:13]  And to just like sit here and say, now, look, I understand that people have been saying, and Tom has been great making this point for a while.
[00:36:20]  I think he was spot on that people be like, look, an epidemiologist is not an authority on policy.
[00:36:24]  Sure.
[00:36:25]  You don't get to just dictate like what everybody does.
[00:36:28]  But okay, if we're talking about a viral outbreak, okay, we're listening to virologists and epidemiologists and they're telling us what's going on, you know, scientifically.
[00:36:38]  Okay, I can kind of, you know, get on board with that.
[00:36:41]  But for you to say, hey, racism is so bad that that's worth protesting, but going, you know, having a funeral is not that important or going to work isn't that important or protesting against the violation of civil liberties, which were the lockdowns.
[00:36:58]  That's not that, excuse me, an epidemiologist has absolutely no right, no credentials to tell anybody that this is a worthy cause and this isn't.
[00:37:10]  And I don't think COVID cares.
[00:37:13]  I think this is, we're seeing in some ways, I don't know about the last gasp, but the last something of the blue pilled because they're going down, they're doubling down hard.
[00:37:27]  You know, there was this guy who wrote a book, I think we talked about this book on Star Wars, who was saying, why doesn't Lucasfilms tweet out Black Lives Matter?
[00:37:34]  Just yesterday, we saw, or Tuesday, rather, everyone changed their Instagram to a black square, even though black people aren't literally black, but that's okay.
[00:37:44]  As my buddy Raka pointed out.
[00:37:46]  And there's very, there's, it's what I had, I was very proud of this tweet.
[00:37:53]  Corporate America has allowed white women to appropriate the cause of black people.
[00:37:58]  Like once, you know, if you, if you, it's funny, because like a lot of the lefty argument used to be, I don't think they say it as much anymore, that basically all these corporations are bastions of conservative republicanism.
[00:38:11]  And then you look at Times Square during Pride Month and it is so rainbowed out.
[00:38:16]  And I've said this, I said, only corporate America can make sodomy and perversion seem boring.
[00:38:22]  So now that they're all down this Black Lives Matter hole, it's, you know, what happened?
[00:38:26]  It's going to be like the Me Too movement.
[00:38:28]  It used to be Rose McGowan was in charge, who was a victim, who has a screw-loose, who still has a story to tell, and who isn't playing around.
[00:38:37]  And she's like, this is pervasive.
[00:38:40]  It's not just Harvey Weinstein wants.
[00:38:42]  This is a lot of you.
[00:38:42]  It's systemic.
[00:38:44]  And then she went off script and they brought in Alyssa Milano.
[00:38:47]  And now it's, you know, Alyssa Milano, who is Marie Antoinette, cosplaying as Joan of Arc.
[00:38:52]  And the same thing is happening now with Black Lives Matter.
[00:38:56]  I don't know who they're going to cast as the voice in the face of Black Lives Matter.
[00:39:01]  It's going to be someone like a Don Lemon.
[00:39:03]  And that is going to be very, in my view, deleterious to the actual concerns of Black people and very funny for the rest of us.
[00:39:11]  Yes, I agree with both of those points.
[00:39:14]  This is woke capitalism has been a really fascinating development that a lot of people, you know, I was giving Rand a lot of credit before, but this is one thing she got really wrong, the idea that like business was going to be the great, you know, hedge against statism.
[00:39:32]  And there's to me, there's two factors that really play into it.
[00:39:37]  And number one is something that our mutual friend Jeff Dice said when he was on my show: he goes, What you're seeing with woke capitalism is corporations understanding that the left always wins the cultural battle.
[00:39:52]  Oh, yeah, yeah.
[00:39:52]  And so they're going to take sides.
[00:39:54]  They're not being silent.
[00:39:55]  They're actually taking sides.
[00:39:56]  They're going, This is the winning side, and we're putting all our chips in on this because this is what's going to win.
[00:40:02]  Believe me, these corporations don't fucking care about this is what was so funny.
[00:40:06]  I just made this point.
[00:40:07]  Someone was like, Oh, why doesn't Amazon care about Duncan Lemp?
[00:40:10]  And I go, I assure you, Amazon cares as much about Duncan Lemp as George Floyd.
[00:40:15]  Zero.
[00:40:16]  Yes.
[00:40:17]  Yes.
[00:40:17]  Don't you fucking get it?
[00:40:18]  Well, if you see, like, right, like something like, you know, Pepsi or some company like that doing like a rainbow flag thing, you think they're doing that in Saudi Arabia?
[00:40:27]  Yeah.
[00:40:27]  You think they're doing that?
[00:40:28]  You think they're doing that in a market where that doesn't play well?
[00:40:31]  No, of course not.
[00:40:32]  If it was, if they thought conservatives were going to fucking dominate the culture in the next couple decades, they'd be running ads about the sanctity of marriage.
[00:40:41]  No, no, it would be choose life and choose Pepsi.
[00:40:43]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:40:45]  And it would be like, look, I've made two great choices today.
[00:40:48]  I'm keeping my kid and I'm having a soda to celebrate because I can't drink while I'm pregnant.
[00:40:51]  It writes itself.
[00:40:52]  Yeah, no, absolutely.
[00:40:54]  And so that's the major factor.
[00:40:57]  In fact, I got to disrupt you again.
[00:40:58]  I'm so smart.
[00:40:58]  That was their slogan during the 80s: the choice of the next generation.
[00:41:01]  They would just revive it and have it be a pro-life message.
[00:41:04]  The life of the next generation.
[00:41:06]  Yeah.
[00:41:06]  There you go.
[00:41:08]  And so this is there.
[00:41:09]  And you know, you can understand where corporations would make this choice.
[00:41:15]  There's another thing Jeff Dice pointed out in my show, and I think he's absolutely right about this: is that he said, when the left fights cultural battles, they mean it.
[00:41:22]  They really mean it.
[00:41:24]  When they're like, we're going to make gay marriage legal, they are going to make gay marriage legal.
[00:41:28]  When they're like, we're going to insert trans rights into the conversation, they mean it and they'll go with everything they have.
[00:41:35]  When Republicans say, you know, we're pro-life, do they really mean it that we're going to repeal Roe v. Wade, that we're going to outlaw abortion?
[00:41:44]  Nah, we all kind of know they're just trying to get votes and survive to the net and they'll cave at the end.
[00:41:48]  They're not serious about fighting a culture war.
[00:41:51]  They're just not.
[00:41:52]  Even the ones who really say they're all about that.
[00:41:54]  If they were, the people at ABC who killed the story about Jeffrey Epstein would be in jail.
[00:42:01]  Or if they wouldn't be in jail, they'd be in front of Congress, sworn testimony, and they would be raked over the coal for days, just like they did to Mark Zuckerberg.
[00:42:11]  Yeah.
[00:42:11]  No, that's right.
[00:42:12]  I'm sure he stays in his place.
[00:42:13]  Not one of them.
[00:42:14]  What happened?
[00:42:15]  And it's interesting to see where political will really lies.
[00:42:19]  Because even when the Democrats and Republicans are like, we hate each other, the do-nothing Congress can't get anything done.
[00:42:24]  And then it's like, oh, the Patriot Act expired.
[00:42:26]  It has to be reauthorized.
[00:42:28]  And it's like, oh, done.
[00:42:29]  Yeah, okay.
[00:42:30]  That day.
[00:42:30]  That day it was done.
[00:42:31]  All of a sudden, there's all this political will that just, you know, those problems.
[00:42:34]  The Republicans kept saying they were going to abolish the Department of Education.
[00:42:37]  We just couldn't get it done.
[00:42:39]  You know, like, because there was no real will for that.
[00:42:42]  But the other factor that is involved in the woke capitalism dynamic as well is, I think, more nefarious than just picking the winner and loser in the cultural battle.
[00:42:53]  And it's the fact that corporations, and of course, a lot of this is because of cronyism, but big corporations have had a hell of a run in the last 20 years.
[00:43:03]  And they have really benefited from the growth, from the growth of the state.
[00:43:07]  Their profits keep going up and up and up and up while so many people in the middle class and the working class are getting squeezed by a lot of these policies.
[00:43:16]  And this is their way to appease the left and get off the hook economically.
[00:43:24]  So you see JP Morgan Chase with their like woke ads, and they're kind of like, hey, we're on your team, right?
[00:43:31]  No need to focus that lefty energy over here at the big banks because we're totally on your team.
[00:43:36]  So it takes no actual cost from them.
[00:43:40]  They just have to say the right thing.
[00:43:42]  And now everybody's supposed to ignore the fact that inequality has gone through the roof.
[00:43:48]  Now, we may have different answers for why inequality has gone through the roof, but this is something the left is supposed to care about.
[00:43:54]  And they're really, if you're like the rich guy bankers, your fear is probably more the left than the right.
[00:44:00]  And so this is the perfect way to like buy off your enemy with nothing.
[00:44:05]  Yeah.
[00:44:05]  Oh, yeah.
[00:44:06]  You need me to put on this, put this flag in my lawn once one month a year, and then I get to get away with murder.
[00:44:11]  Okay, gee, I wonder what I'm going to do.
[00:44:13]  Yeah.
[00:44:14]  And then there's still that signaling and in-group signaling.
[00:44:17]  And it's just like, okay, he's one of us.
[00:44:19]  Why?
[00:44:20]  Because he just has a flag.
[00:44:22]  Yes.
[00:44:22]  And I got to say.
[00:44:24]  Well, right.
[00:44:25]  That's it.
[00:44:26]  Yeah.
[00:44:26]  And I got to say, and this is like the more conspiratorial part of my mind, but understand when I say something is a conspiracy, I'm not saying it in the sense that everyone is marching lockstep.
[00:44:36]  I'm just saying that I think there are people who push things in a certain direction.
[00:44:39]  And I made this point a couple podcasts ago.
[00:44:42]  And it's not original to me.
[00:44:43]  Other people have pointed this out, but that, okay, twice as many white people get killed by the cops every year.
[00:44:51]  Now, you could say it disproportionately affects black people.
[00:44:54]  You could get into why that happens.
[00:44:55]  But aside from that, if something was happening twice as much, you'd think you'd hear about it sometimes.
[00:45:03]  Why is it that something that's happening half as much gets amplified so much?
[00:45:07]  And this doesn't.
[00:45:08]  And it does seem to me that we're coming off a period, this tremendous period in American history, where the government fucked everyone on a monumental level.
[00:45:18]  And now it's starting to be realized by people.
[00:45:20]  Oh, shit, we didn't need to kick 40 million people out of work.
[00:45:24]  Oh, my God, while we kicked 40 million people out of work, we robbed you and gave the biggest corporate giveaways in human history.
[00:45:31]  Trillions of dollars to the big banks and big corporations.
[00:45:34]  All of these people have been fucked by this one group of the ruling elite.
[00:45:40]  And very conveniently, right after that, what gets stoked is this very divisive thing where rather than looking up at who's really been fucking you, we're all going to be looking at each other.
[00:45:50]  And it just seems very convenient, the timing.
[00:45:53]  Yeah.

=== Corporate Giveaways (02:11) ===

[00:45:54]  Oh, yeah.
[00:45:55]  I agree with you completely.
[00:45:56]  And that's why I'm excited to see what's going to happen next, because this is in some ways uncharted territory, I think.
[00:46:01]  Yeah.
[00:46:02]  Yeah.
[00:46:02]  Oh, you got to start asking yourself, like, how much can our country actually go through?
[00:46:06]  Right.
[00:46:07]  And, you know, I think that, you know, a lot of things in my life, like after 9-11 and kind of like the wars after that, I think there were a lot of Americans who were kind of like, okay, when do we go back to the pre-9-11 America?
[00:46:22]  And it slowly dawned on all of us that we're not going back to that.
[00:46:26]  That's not happening.
[00:46:27]  Not on the table.
[00:46:28]  That's gone.
[00:46:28]  That's gone forever.
[00:46:30]  And I think whether, you know, you're talking about the new normal or whatever, I think a lot of events that have transpired in the last few months, we're not going back to the way things were before them.
[00:46:40]  Where we go, I'm not sure.
[00:46:41]  All right, guys, let's take a quick second.
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=== Unite Us Against Them (15:14) ===

[00:48:06]  Yeah, I think there's an understanding, hopefully, I don't know how they operate to be fair, but you would think if you're a part of the corporate press, the argument had been once Trump goes away, people are going to like us again and give us the respect we're due.
[00:48:21]  And I don't think, I think they're starting to realize that's not going to happen because Trump has been doing a good job of keeping his mouth shut relatively during all this.
[00:48:30]  And the feedback toward them has been, from what I've seen, extremely hostile.
[00:48:36]  When you have CBS News have a headline that says, white bartender shoots black protester to death and no charges are filed.
[00:48:46]  And then you realize he was in the middle of being assaulted.
[00:48:49]  He shot his gun several times in the air.
[00:48:51]  He said, get off me.
[00:48:52]  They were fighting for the gun.
[00:48:53]  And this is all on video.
[00:48:56]  And that's how they frame it.
[00:48:59]  And especially when I think many people in the black community are like, all right, this is a time we have to work together because we don't have the numbers.
[00:49:06]  So it is important to have white allies.
[00:49:08]  When you see articles like this, you're like, oh, it's like Maj Touré's t-shirt, a media, most effective devil in America.
[00:49:15]  It's, it's, or it's not hot up Jesus.
[00:49:17]  I'm being totally racist.
[00:49:18]  One of them has those shirts.
[00:49:18]  Oh, that's my job.
[00:49:19]  I've seen Maj wearing it.
[00:49:20]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:49:21]  So it's like, okay, there is an increasing understanding of what is going on and who is the opponent here.
[00:49:30]  Let's talk about Maj for a second, though.
[00:49:32]  Sure.
[00:49:32]  Did you see that him with Tom and the LP?
[00:49:36]  No.
[00:49:37]  I don't think so.
[00:49:37]  There was a Tom Wood, the LP, Libertarian Party, they had their black square on Twitter and blah, blah, blah.
[00:49:44]  We support Black Lives Maritime, so that good stuff.
[00:49:45]  Fine.
[00:49:46]  And Tom Woods goes, it's interesting.
[00:49:48]  When you had a popular black person, Maj Touré, you know, whose party joined the LP, you kicked him out of the party.
[00:49:57]  So I guess you like black people in theory, but only ones that would behave the way you like.
[00:50:01]  And the guy replies or runs that account, and I'm paraphrasing this, so I'm sure I'm getting some of it wrong.
[00:50:06]  Says something to the effect of, he insulted repeatedly several of our members and blah, blah, blah, blah.
[00:50:12]  And Maj jumps in and goes, you're lying.
[00:50:15]  Tom Woods is right.
[00:50:16]  Whoever is running this account, come talk to me and I will set you straight.
[00:50:19]  This is a lie.
[00:50:21]  So I thought that was very hilarious to see.
[00:50:23]  Any thoughts on that?
[00:50:25]  Yeah, I think what happened with the Maj situation was a fascinating example of how so many of these times these people who love to virtue signal and talk all this shit actually are fucking the worst bigots when it really comes down to it.
[00:50:41]  What happened?
[00:50:42]  They got furious.
[00:50:43]  Basically, they didn't like him because he was like a hardcore dude who was like fucking very charismatic, really bringing a lot of people on board.
[00:50:51]  And he was going at some of the kind of milquetoast like losers who run the party.
[00:50:58]  And they were like, they found tweets of his that were like three years old where he like called someone gay, like in a derogatory way, was like, stop being so fucking gay or something like along those lines.
[00:51:09]  And then there was one thing that he had gotten charged with bootlegging DVDs like a decade ago.
[00:51:16]  And they like used these as excuses to take him off.
[00:51:21]  Exactly.
[00:51:22]  And then the thing with calling someone gay is it's kind of like, oh, right, right, right.
[00:51:25]  So you like, you're all about black people, but your, you know, your white cultural preferences were offended by this.
[00:51:33]  And I even got an argument with some of these people who were like, you know, it's not very libertarian of you to be, you know, be insulting gay people or being homophobic or something.
[00:51:44]  I said, the only libertarian position is, bless you, is that there shouldn't be laws against homosexuality.
[00:51:50]  There's no libertarian position that tells you what words you can use.
[00:51:55]  Like, what are we talking about here?
[00:51:57]  And, you know, it's so, so that is interesting to see what happens there.
[00:52:02]  But I love Maj.
[00:52:03]  I think he's great.
[00:52:04]  What is the deal with this Joe Jorgensen lady?
[00:52:06]  She came out.
[00:52:07]  We were talking on like who you thought was going to be the nominees.
[00:52:09]  You gave me the rundown.
[00:52:10]  She wasn't even in contention.
[00:52:11]  And where did she come from?
[00:52:13]  She pulled it out somehow.
[00:52:15]  I was very surprised.
[00:52:16]  It's like the way the Libertarian Party works is it's like the delegates vote for who the nominee is.
[00:52:21]  And so I guess like a bunch of the candidates who had gotten a certain amount of delegates ended up throwing their support behind her.
[00:52:29]  And so she was able to take Kornberger out that way.
[00:52:32]  But she's cool.
[00:52:33]  I had her on the show the other day and she's, you know, she's a good libertarian.
[00:52:38]  I don't know.
[00:52:38]  I have my concerns about how effective she's going to be at, you know, waking people up, which is all I really care about out of libertarian party politics.
[00:52:49]  But oh, man, speaking of bashing the LP, they fucking, you know, so did you see Mattis wrote this piece about how Donald Trump is dividing us and he doesn't try to bring the nation together.
[00:53:01]  And then Sarwak, the chairman of the LP, tweeted out, I'd like to invite Mattis to join the Libertarian Party.
[00:53:09]  And like, yeah, he's so right about this message.
[00:53:11]  I just tweeted out in response.
[00:53:13]  I said, mad dog Mattis, a libertarian hero, if ever there was one.
[00:53:18]  Yeah, it's, it's, but I mean, I can even wrap my head around it if his goal is to get attention from the LP.
[00:53:26]  That makes, and that's the way to do it, I guess.
[00:53:29]  I think it's really funny how many of these former Trump people have turned on him and publicly so, which tells me that he's probably a lot crazier than we realize.
[00:53:39]  I think not only crazier, but I think there's something about Trump.
[00:53:45]  Like Trump is really vicious.
[00:53:47]  And Trump is like, look, you are, the way he works is you are terrific, wonderful, unbelievable, or you're fake news, stupid, unimpressive, underachiever.
[00:53:58]  It is a binary.
[00:54:00]  And he uses both of those, like the fucking, you know, the carrot and the stick, right?
[00:54:05]  Like, that's his thing.
[00:54:07]  And a lot of these people have never been talked to like that before.
[00:54:12]  And it drives them nuts.
[00:54:15]  Especially publicly.
[00:54:16]  Yes, it fucking drives them nuts.
[00:54:19]  And he does something like he breaks people's brains.
[00:54:23]  And, but look, as a libertarian, feel however you feel about Donald Trump.
[00:54:28]  Him and Mattis's split was when he wanted to pull troops out of Syria.
[00:54:33]  And Mattis was like, no way, I won't work for you.
[00:54:37]  I will leave before I end a war.
[00:54:40]  Because, you know, that's not, that's not how our military operates.
[00:54:43]  So for the libertarians to like take Mattis's side and then say like that old, oh, the most fucking hack blue-pilled justification ever.
[00:54:52]  Well, Trump doesn't bring people together.
[00:54:55]  And we want to bring people together.
[00:54:57]  No, not really.
[00:54:59]  Do you think a libertarian platform is not going to be divisive at all?
[00:55:03]  Do you think it's really going to bring people together if we say we want to repeal Obamacare?
[00:55:08]  We're going to eliminate the Department of Education.
[00:55:10]  All of Ayn Rand's novels have the same plot in which the hero secedes from a corrupt society.
[00:55:18]  All four of them.
[00:55:19]  That's the one thing that they have in common.
[00:55:22]  And sure, she didn't consider herself a libertarian, but freedom of association is one of the most basic libertarian premises.
[00:55:29]  Bringing us all together is synonymous with totalitarianism.
[00:55:34]  Yeah, totalitarianism is the idea that everything has to be done by everyone for everyone.
[00:55:38]  Yes.
[00:55:38]  That there's no room for you to separate from the rest of your nation.
[00:55:42]  So they attack Trump for being this crypto-fascist nationalist.
[00:55:46]  This is the purest expression of nationalism of the worst kind there is, which is we all have to come together.
[00:55:54]  And if someone is not part of this, they are the enemy.
[00:56:02]  Yes, absolutely.
[00:56:04]  And that is you really can't have one without the other.
[00:56:07]  And also to what you were speaking about before, the people who think, oh, if we just get Trump out of there, we go right back to our respectability.
[00:56:15]  We go right back to where we were.
[00:56:17]  It's like, can't you also, just as a realist, look at America today and go, we're not coming together.
[00:56:22]  That's not happening.
[00:56:24]  This is completely.
[00:56:26]  You know what I think it is?
[00:56:27]  They're so used to having a monopoly on the conversation that they think, not ridiculously, that once they get rid of Trump and they take social media, which the last time they had to seize a new medium has been forever, someone pointed out to me on Twitter, then they'll be able to reestablish, if not universal consensus, at least close to the appearance of one.
[00:56:48]  And I don't think technologically that's feasible anymore, but I think that's the mindset they're coming from.
[00:56:53]  Yeah, I think you're right about that.
[00:56:55]  But it's just, you know, I don't think they're dealing in reality.
[00:56:59]  And I'm sure a big part of it is because they've had it this way for so long that it's just hard to imagine you wouldn't be able to continue having it.
[00:57:07]  But the differences between, you know, broadly speaking, the left and right in America, these differences are not going away.
[00:57:16]  And, you know, even if Donald Trump were assassinated tomorrow, the 63 million people who voted for Donald Trump are not going back to Mitt Romney.
[00:57:28]  Right.
[00:57:29]  They're just not going to be.
[00:57:30]  Despite your work and your efforts to the contrary.
[00:57:32]  It's heartbreaking.
[00:57:33]  It's heartbreaking to accept, but we're never going to get that Romney.
[00:57:37]  I still want a recount from 2012.
[00:57:39]  I feel like there was Florida.
[00:57:40]  In 2008, he should have been the nominee.
[00:57:42]  Oh, yeah.
[00:57:43]  This McCain stole it from him.
[00:57:45]  McCain was pretty radical.
[00:57:46]  Yeah.
[00:57:47]  You know, I was like, we got mittens up there.
[00:57:50]  Let's just go with someone who can unite us.
[00:57:52]  But like these, these Trump people are not going back.
[00:57:55]  And okay, maybe they get the brown wave or they get whatever, you know, they have so they can never win the presidential election again.
[00:58:03]  Okay.
[00:58:04]  They're still not disappearing.
[00:58:06]  There's still 60 plus million of them.
[00:58:08]  They still could very easily take the Senate.
[00:58:10]  Right.
[00:58:10]  Then what are you going to do?
[00:58:12]  And even if they don't, even if they couldn't take one political office, they're still here.
[00:58:18]  They're still your countrymen.
[00:58:19]  They still exist in this society.
[00:58:22]  And that's not really a recipe for success to have what it, if it's 45% of the country who hates the ruling 55%'s guts.
[00:58:31]  Right.
[00:58:32]  And they don't think in those terms.
[00:58:34]  Yeah.
[00:58:34]  Yeah.
[00:58:35]  That's what makes it so much fun for me.
[00:58:37]  Yeah, no, I agree.
[00:58:38]  And it does seem more and more.
[00:58:40]  I feel like I've been saying since I've been in any of this that America should have mass secession.
[00:58:48]  I wrote that article in 2016, which I'm pretty brain.
[00:58:51]  Yes, it was a great article.
[00:58:53]  And I feel like over the years, it went from people being like, you're fucking crazy.
[00:58:58]  You think America is going to break up?
[00:59:00]  To being like, okay, I kind of get what you're saying.
[00:59:02]  Being like, yeah, that does.
[00:59:04]  So a lot of people being like, I think maybe you're right.
[00:59:06]  I think maybe we all should just break up.
[00:59:09]  And I think the last few months have just been more, you know, of that on display.
[00:59:14]  It's always funny because there's this kind of alt-right argument that we have to avoid at all costs, the balkanization of America.
[00:59:20]  That's a term that they use.
[00:59:22]  And I feel like autistic shrieking because the Balkans aren't that bad.
[00:59:28]  You know what I mean?
[00:59:28]  Like of all the places on earth where it's like, we don't want to end, like Venezuela is where I don't want to end up like China, Africa, parts of Africa.
[00:59:35]  But like the Balkans, is that really a nightmare of nightmares that if we were that, you know, into like 10 small countries?
[00:59:42]  I don't see it.
[00:59:42]  It's looking like the best case scenario.
[00:59:44]  Yeah, I don't know.
[00:59:45]  But that started with Pat Buchanan.
[00:59:47]  He was writing about the Balkans.
[00:59:48]  You don't have Estonia, do you?
[00:59:49]  I'm like, is that the Balkans?
[00:59:52]  Like, I don't really know.
[00:59:53]  Right.
[00:59:53]  But that's, this is what was Pat Buchanan was writing about it and he wrote about it as being like this, this horrible threat.
[01:00:00]  And I understand from Pat Buchanan's perspective, it's all about saving the United States of America.
[01:00:05]  It's all about returning to the glory of what this great country was.
[01:00:09]  But even Pat Buchanan at this point would probably accept it's not happening.
[01:00:13]  We're not going back to the 50s.
[01:00:14]  That's just not, that's not in the cards.
[01:00:16]  And we could be a great, you know, Czech Republic or Serbia, whatever.
[01:00:21]  Maybe not as small as Serbia, but yeah, it doesn't, it's, that's where my money is at anyway.
[01:00:26]  Yeah.
[01:00:26]  No, I, uh, I think that would be the best case scenario.
[01:00:30]  You just see these two sides and like they have these issues that are they're not going to be reconciled.
[01:00:39]  Right.
[01:00:39]  You know, if you have one issue, if you have one side that says the most fundamental right a woman has is control over her own body and the right to choose, you know, and the other side says it's killing a baby.
[01:00:53]  Yeah.
[01:00:53]  Where's the compromise?
[01:00:54]  How do you come together on that?
[01:00:56]  Like, where's the compromise?
[01:00:57]  And if you have, you know, what we've just seen in the last few months, you have one side who's saying that, you know, we have to listen to the science.
[01:01:06]  And if you go outside, you're killing grandma.
[01:01:08]  And the other side says, it's my constitutional right to go wherever I want to.
[01:01:12]  How do you reconcile that?
[01:01:14]  Or even as simple as I want my boardroom to be diverse.
[01:01:18]  And the other being like, I don't give a shit about black people one way or another.
[01:01:21]  Like, not even like racist in the sense of like animist, but it's like, I don't care.
[01:01:24]  Like, so how do you reconcile that?
[01:01:27]  Yeah.
[01:01:28]  And it does, you know, that's the other thing.
[01:01:30]  And maybe this will be the last thing that I'll say, but it does seem that they are, and this has been a, you know, a dynamic that's been going on for really the last decade, but it's really picked up in the last five years or so.
[01:01:41]  But it's almost as if the left is willing the alt-right into existence.
[01:01:48]  Like they're demanding, is that quote that demand for Nazis outstrips supply?
[01:01:53]  Well, sure, but not just not just that aspect of it, but the fact that they're pushing white people into a place where you have to play this game.
[01:02:03]  They're making you.
[01:02:04]  They're like, hey, listen, come over here and take a knee and accept that every law needs to be written against you.
[01:02:11]  Or, you know, or what's your other option?
[01:02:14]  Right.
[01:02:14]  Okay.
[01:02:15]  Well, then, okay, I'll be racist.
[01:02:17]  And then it's like, if you're like, okay, well, I don't know.
[01:02:20]  So we, I mean, what does it mean to say, I want more jobs for black people and people of color and women and all these things?
[01:02:27]  It's like, well, I want less for you.
[01:02:29]  And I want the law to enforce that you get less.
[01:02:32]  Well, I don't know.
[01:02:33]  How long before you go?
[01:02:35]  No.
[01:02:37]  I vote no on that.
[01:02:39]  And I could do this quietly and I don't have to argue with you.
[01:02:41]  We'll use code words and whatever you want, but no, I'm going to look after people I actually know.
[01:02:47]  And they almost push.
[01:02:48]  And even someone like me, right, who's always had the opinion of being like, hey, I am against the cops.
[01:02:53]  I think the cops fuck over black people.
[01:02:55]  I can, let me try to be empathetic to where black people are coming from.
[01:03:00]  And oh, look, historically, the state has done X, Y, and Z and all these things to black people.
[01:03:04]  They like push you to a point where you're just like, you can't, they go, you know, and they'll just do these things where they're like, it just goes, and all these black people die and the cops are out there just genociding black people and they murder black people in cold blood every day.
[01:03:17]  And a black guy can't even go for a jog without being shot.

=== Gun Hold And Beating (03:17) ===

[01:03:20]  And you're like, well, none of that's true.
[01:03:23]  That happened just this week.
[01:03:24]  So that case I was talking about where the bar owner killed who was described as a protester, not a violent assailant.
[01:03:31]  There was a, it's a Nebraska and a city councilman or state senator, I don't remember which one, I'm sorry, he was fighting about this, you know, because they're not going to press charges, even in this video, and saying, well, we don't know what the victim would have said.
[01:03:46]  We don't need to know.
[01:03:47]  If you're beating the shit out of someone and wrestling with their gun, it's not like, hold on, let me hear your point of view.
[01:03:53]  But if we're at that level where your definition of fairness is someone is assaulting someone violently who has a gun on his own property and you think there's two perspectives, there isn't two perspectives.
[01:04:07]  Yeah.
[01:04:07]  That's my perspective.
[01:04:08]  And you go away because I'm not discussing anything with you.
[01:04:11]  That's right.
[01:04:12]  It's just.
[01:04:13]  If you're going to say I'm a racist, because I don't, I'm not entertaining your nonsense.
[01:04:16]  Yeah, that's twice.
[01:04:18]  I'm completely uninterested in further discussion with you.
[01:04:20]  Yes, that's right.
[01:04:22]  And it's just, you know, it is hard.
[01:04:25]  Like somebody can only, even if you want to be sympathetic with someone, they can only tell you bullshit for so long before you're like, I'm sorry, that's bullshit.
[01:04:35]  And I'm not doing that.
[01:04:36]  You know, it was like when they're fighting Islamophobia and they said, look, between 2002 and 2019, Islamic terrorism killed on average, blah, blah, blah.
[01:04:45]  I go, what about 2001?
[01:04:47]  Anything happened there?
[01:04:47]  Anything happened there?
[01:04:48]  I'm like, skew these numbers.
[01:04:50]  So when you're playing these fucking games, like you're not interested in a dialogue, your position is, and I bring this up all the time, what do I need to say to get you to do what I want?
[01:05:00]  Yes.
[01:05:01]  And then here's what I say.
[01:05:02]  I'm going to do what I want.
[01:05:04]  And I don't want to do what you want.
[01:05:05]  So case clays, conversation over.
[01:05:08]  Right.
[01:05:08]  And it goes.
[01:05:08]  That means you too.
[01:05:09]  To me, it goes, oh, geez.
[01:05:11]  To me, it goes back to what you, that Stanhope bit that you brought up.
[01:05:14]  You're like, so what percentage of what black people do wrong can we talk about?
[01:05:19]  What percentage is on you?
[01:05:20]  Because it's hard when you're just being lectured to.
[01:05:24]  And also they're demanding you quite literally get on the knee and apologize to them.
[01:05:28]  You couldn't, it's, you couldn't make this up in a cartoon.
[01:05:31]  This is literally what they're demanding of you.
[01:05:33]  And then you go like, do you know what it's like to be a black guy who's scared of the cops?
[01:05:37]  And you're like, well, I guess not.
[01:05:41]  But white people are scared of huge areas in every city across the country.
[01:05:47]  Do you know what that's like?
[01:05:49]  I mean, maybe you do, but I'm just saying it's like, eventually you're going to be like, no, it's almost like I was willing to not talk about this stuff, but you pushed me to the point where it's like, now I'm going to bring it up and, you know, get called names.
[01:06:04]  And it's also because on the one hand, you want to claim that correctly that race is complicated and there's a lot of history and there's a lot of nuance and people come with chips on the shoulder and there's misunderstandings.
[01:06:14]  And then the next sentence, it goes, it's really quite simple.
[01:06:16]  Do what I want.
[01:06:18]  You can't have both.
[01:06:19]  Right.
[01:06:20]  That's absolutely right.
[01:06:21]  Absolutely right.
[01:06:22]  All right.
[01:06:23]  My brother Michael Malice of this fascinating conversation.
[01:06:27]  What was your favorite part?
[01:06:29]  No justice, no peace.
[01:06:32]  Well, you be welcome.
[01:06:35]  All right.
[01:06:36]  Thanks, everybody.
[01:06:37]  See you next time.
[01:06:37]  Peace.