Dave Smith and Michael Malice dissect the pandemic's sci-fi reality, debating economic collapse, media malfeasance, and the hypocrisy of racial naming conventions versus historical precedents like the Spanish flu. They critique political tribalism where governors act as corporate entities, while addressing anti-Semitism, divine judgment on global genocides, and the integrity of figures like Mitt Romney versus AOC. The dialogue challenges pro-choice justifications for abortion, noting inconsistencies in prioritizing access over the reality that most procedures stem from unwanted pregnancies, ultimately questioning societal moral frameworks amidst crisis. [Automatically generated summary]
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America's Next Enemy00:01:26
Fill her up!
You are listening to the Gash Digital Network.
We need to roll back the state.
We spy on all of our own citizens.
Our prisons are flooded with nonviolent drug offenders.
If you want to know who America's next enemy is, look at who we're funding right now.
Every single one of these problems are a result of government being way too big.
Oh, what is up, everybody?
Let this be my welcome.
I have got him.
The man, the myth, the legend.
Some question whether or not he really exists.
I question it sometimes.
And he's a good friend of mine.
And I'm like, did I just, did I dream him?
Was he my Tyler Durden?
I don't even know.
But Michael Mal.
Michael Malice is here with us.
Well, not here with us, but across the internet land.
Yeah.
And I'm very happy to see you and talk to you as always, but particularly in these times.
It's good to see your face, friend.
How are you?
I'm doing better.
I wasn't doing well at all with this.
You're also a lifelong New Yorker.
To me, I've said this on another show.
The Man, Myth, Legend00:06:08
It felt like one of those sci-fi shows where you're in the wrong timeline and you look at and you know what it's supposed to look like and you're walking around and you're like, how is everyone acting like this is normal?
I know what the normal timeline is supposed to look like.
So it was very disturbing to me to be walking around like a couple of weeks ago, the gym started closing.
So there was a, there's like an outdoor workout station in Prospect Park, which I went to.
And I work out at night.
So I went there at 10.
It was pitch dark.
And this is before like shit was really quarantined.
And no one was on the streets, which okay is a little weird in Brooklyn, but like none of the house lights were on.
And it's like, where is everyone?
It was so creepy to me.
And it's still creepy.
Like I've been going to the studio, you know, for compound rehab to do nightshade.
And to have these trains be empty and to have no one around in like Herald Square, Times Square, Union Square.
It's like, what the fuck is...
And I'm obviously trying to stay out as little as possible.
Like two things have been keeping me sane.
There's a Japanese supermarket near me.
So I've been getting like handmaids to Shimi.
I've been cutting it up myself.
But Michael, the Japanese are the ones who gave us this virus.
Yeah, the Chinaman from Japan.
And a fan, Phoebe, God bless you, she let me into her house.
She was in Florida, but she said where the key was and she had weights.
So I've been exercising, which is very important for me for mental health.
So I was like, all right, but it's rough, dude.
It's fucking because what this reminds me of, and I'm sure it reminds a lot of people of, to me, this feels like, and I haven't felt like this in at least 10 years, 12 years, like being unemployed, where every day runs into the next.
Every day is the same.
You have no idea how it's going to end.
You know, when you're unemployed, you're like, is this going to be forever?
Like, what if it never changes?
And that kind of emotional response was what I was going through.
And a lot of times when we have a disproportionate emotional response, it is something that it was in our past that's kind of like, you know, triggered.
It's like, you're not the same person as you were 18, but in the way you are.
And it felt just bad, like really, really bad.
But I'm a lot better now.
And I think I've kind of adjusted to this to some extent.
What I don't know that people are talking about is I feel like we're the underpants gnomes that, okay, we know step one is this.
We know step three is some kind of normalcy.
What's step two?
Like this transition back?
I don't see how that ever happens.
Well, I'll tell you, I really question whether step three is going to happen.
I don't think this is, unlike 9-11, unlike, I mean, look, 9-11 changed normalcy for Iraq, but it really didn't change normalcy for America that much.
I mean, it changed kind of like, you know, the spying and the warfare state and things like this.
But the average American isn't super affected by that.
It's, you know, some people certainly are.
And the Middle East was really affected by that.
But this is going to, I think this is going to fundamentally change American life much more than anything I've ever lived through.
This is unparalleled.
This is unprecedented in either of our lifetimes.
Just so many things about this.
And I've, you know, I've been, first off, the real fear is the virus right now.
And I know, you know, excuse me, I was getting shit on Twitter about this and people who think it's not real and it's a hoax.
And people say things like, you know, well, you know, the corporate press lies all the time.
So why are you believing them now?
Which is like, you know, it's maybe a reason to be skeptical of the corporate press, but it's not to say that nothing they say can be true.
And it's not the corporate press that's that's freaking me out about this.
Literally.
It's not.
But then people say these things like they'll be like, oh, well, you don't you don't trust the scientists when it comes to climate change, and yet you trust them when it comes to this.
And it's like, no, I do actually trust the scientists when it comes to climate change.
I just don't, the shit that Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren say about how life on the planet is going to be extinct, the scientists aren't saying that.
They're actually not.
None of them are saying that.
So it's not, I actually do trust the scientists.
The scientists will say things.
They'll put out a report like, and they'll be like, you know, if we don't tackle climate change in the next 12 years, it's going to be 30% more expensive to deal with it down the road.
And then AOC will say, all life will be over in 12 years.
And you're like, yeah, no, that's the bullshit.
But the scientists are giving a reasonable prediction.
I love how this virus has made Greta Thunberg a hasdin.
Yeah, really.
Because we don't have to worry about the world ending in 12 years.
It's happened now, bitch.
Well, listen.
So what freaked me out about this was this, when I first started getting freaked out was when I had an email correspondence with this guy who's like a world-renowned virologist who was working on the coronavirus in the 70s.
And he was like, listen, this is going to be bad.
And he goes, and I hope I'm wrong, but I'm not wrong.
This is going to be really bad.
And he's been right about everything so far.
And so that's when I started getting freaked out about it.
But yeah, now the thing to me is that let's just say like things go back to normalcy.
Let's say we figure out what B is from A to B and somehow we move to C and we're back to whatever the new normal is.
What happens?
Here's two random questions that I've been thinking about.
Number one, what happens when there's the next regular thing?
The swine flu, Ebola, a thing like that that didn't end up being a disaster.
But what happens?
Are we just going to sit back and not take precautions there?
Or is it just, well, there's already precedent to go in this crazy direction?
And the other thing is, relating to what you were just talking about, I mean, if you're going to say if the general consensus is in an emergency, we can do this.
Well, I mean, according to AOC and Elizabeth Warren and all of them, all of life is going to be extinct in 12 years if we don't do something.
Tribal Mentalities Persist00:08:40
So isn't that a far bigger emergency that justifies far more sweeping government clampdowns?
And so I don't know.
And also in the midst of all this, we're quite possibly going to be in the second American Great Depression.
So a lot of shit's going down.
Yeah.
And I'm glad that we're doing this so that people can not feel so isolated and see us broing out a bit and give them some kind of semblance of normalcy.
It's tough.
I mean, again, seeing New York like this has really done a number on me.
I'm sure it's done a number on you.
Have you left your house at all?
I'm not in my house.
I'm out of the city.
Where are you?
I'm at my in-laws.
I took the wife and kid and got the fuck out of New York.
What state are you in?
I'm in Jersey.
Okay.
I'll tell you later.
That's a specific.
I'm not trying to be, I'm not trying to pry.
I was just curious.
Wow.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I hear you.
Is it as bad in Jersey as in New York?
It's, well, there's not, you know, I don't know.
There's a lot of cases in Jersey in general, but where I am in Jersey, it's very spread out and very suburban.
And I'm in a house that I stocked to the fucking brim with food and the means to protect that food, should it come to it.
And I just, I'll tell you, man, like when it comes to, look, I remember people saying, yes, that's right.
They are knuckles.
They'll take anyone out.
But when, you know, some people were kind of busting my balls and they were like, oh, Dave, you're like panicking and overreacting.
And, you know, you're a New Yorker and you just bailed on New York.
Yes, I don't care about anything except keeping my girls alive.
That is all that matters to me.
It's the only responsibility that matters.
And by the way, even to my audience, I care about it a lot more than any Murray Rothbard book that I ever read.
I care about it a lot more than any abstract principle.
Not that I don't care about my abstract principles, but they can all burn for me to protect my family.
So that's, you know, so that's, you know, it's more spread out.
There's a ton of huge supermarkets with a not very dense population.
So you don't have to shop right on top of each other.
The real thing that started freaking me out was seeing the empty shelves in supermarkets in New York.
And I was like, look, I don't know where this is going to go, but it could get bad.
And I need to have supplies and backup and make sure these girls are protected.
One of the things that I am very surprised by, because we've seen these movies, right?
The thing I'm very surprised by, and I've been hearing a lot on Twitter also, like, you should be surprised, blah, blah, blah.
Like everyone is such a know-it-all.
It's really amazing to what extent people are know-it-alls.
And this is me talking, is how docile everyone is.
Like, I remember very vividly, like, after Trayvon Martin was killed and he got off, Zimmerman got off, everyone's like, there's going to be riding, there's going to be riding, there's going to be riding, blah, blah, blah.
And all the black leaders went in their communities.
They're like, this is not the time.
Like, we got to stay cool.
And they did.
There was no civil unrest as a consequence.
And that was something everyone got wrong.
Or not everyone, but a lot of people got wrong.
And it really seemed like this would be like home invasions, looting, and there's none of that.
And now it could be it's coming.
Yeah, I'm surprised to what extent everyone's like, all right, let's keep it together and fucking try to get through this.
No, I agree with you on that.
That was another big concern of mine.
And I'm happy that that doesn't seem to be a big problem so far.
I mean, there's probably been little incidents here and there, but overall, there really doesn't seem to be a big uptick in anything like that.
But as you said, who knows where this is going to go from here?
And then, you know, it's like, what, look, man, we've already seen like, and I think a lot of people, because like, as you know better than everyone, with like probably your quote that's been, that, that's become the most famous quote of yours ever.
And you have a bunch of good ones.
But the thing about conservatives are progressives driving the speed limit.
Where, you know, it's like, it's not that the Democrats are socialist and the Republicans are capitalists.
Like, first off, they're all a bunch of fucking corporatists.
None of them are really socialists or capitalists.
Correct.
But they're two very similarly corporatist parties, and the Democrats like to move the ball a little bit faster than the Republicans.
So all of them buy into this weird, like mindset that there's enough kind of wealth out there, you know, kind of like what Elizabeth Warren says, like the idea that, well, we can just take from some people and spread it around, and that'll cover everything.
And for just two pennies, I mean, we could do everything in the world.
So it's almost like they don't really understand what they're doing to the economy.
Now, it might be that this is the smart move, considering how bad the virus is.
But regardless of that, you're looking at 3.2 million people filed for unemployment already, already in this.
Okay.
There's going to be a million small businesses that go out of business forever because of this.
And what type of civil unrest is this going to lead to in the future?
Like that, that's another question that, you know, is like in the Great Depression, you're talking about my grandfather/slash great-grandfather's time.
Like my grandfather was young in the Depression.
It was really my great-grandfather's time.
They were a little bit more accustomed to tightening their belt and getting through it.
And you move on and that's that and you don't bitch and you be a man.
Today, people might not, you know, and we're not going to face that level of poverty, no matter what our economy looks like.
Well, my guess is that they're, you know, it's like even just all of the economic growth since 1930.
Going to be worrying about food.
Yes, it's probably, probably not going to be that level.
We're still going to have technological advances and machinery from modern America and stuff.
But still, I do wonder, you know, how is our culture going to deal with what might be a best case scenario, I think, a severe recession?
Yeah, yeah, and worldwide.
That's the thing.
It's so interesting to see how different countries are facing this.
It's very sad to me how, and you and I obviously do not think very highly of politicians.
And we're going to talk about Thomas Massey in a second.
But it's very funny to me how the tribalism on Twitter is still prevalent now.
Because if you look at like Republican governors or Democratic governors, I don't think they're acting any differently at all.
And I think this is a case where, in many cases, politicians, when it is an emergency, act at their best, where it's like, all right, I'm the executive.
I got to coordinate this shit.
Like, basically, they are running the state as a company.
And they're like, okay, doctors tell me what to do.
All right, we need masks.
Who can get masks?
Blah, blah, blah.
It's not really an ideological thing.
And online for people to be like, oh, blah, blah, blah.
They're like the left or the right.
And it's just like, I don't, I don't see how Trump is particularly different from Cuomo in how he behaves.
And also because this is not a situation where there's really much wiggle room.
It's like there's a virus.
There's not two sides to this issue.
This isn't the corporate, the marginal tax rate.
This isn't gun control.
This is an abortion.
It's like everyone agrees this is bad.
Everyone agrees we have to mitigate the damage and help the people.
There's going to be this agreement about what to do, how, but that's just going to be a technical issue.
It's not going to be a philosophical one, per se.
So it's really kind of interesting to see how people are still like, oh, blah, blah, blah, Republican, Democrat, which is already something I am not a big fan of, as you know, and neither are you.
But it's just like, oh, okay, guys, you keep sticking to that script.
Yeah, it's weird to see people like people really just bought into their tribal mentalities so hard that they can't, even this type of situation can't get them to exit out of it.
And, you know, everybody kind of sees what they want to out of it.
So, if you want to see Donald Trump, you know, like downplaying this, that's what they'll say.
You know, but it's all so obvious where you go, like, okay, so they're going to be like, what they're hitting Donald Trump on is that Donald Trump did, for sure, try to downplay the virus when it first started.
I mean, he didn't call it a hoax, like people said.
That's a lie, but he did say it's the flu.
It's not going to be that bad.
Trump Downplays the Flu00:03:15
Everything will be fine.
Now, the flip side to that, and this is just so obvious to anyone who's not suffering from Trump derangement syndrome or whatever, is that if Trump had said week, if Trump had said the first week in January, we're having lockdowns over this, they would have all called him a Nazi for they would have been like, this is insane.
Oh my God, he's suspending the Constitution and he's, you know, so he, Trump is in a situation where he's going to get knocked no matter what.
And then also, you know, on the other side, you know, the Trump, which is also in, you know, an equal, whatever you want to call it, like a Trump derangement syndrome where he can do no wrong.
Yeah.
They're going to praise him no matter what he did.
If he had said lockdown the whole thing immediately, they would have praised him.
And if he had said it's no big deal, they are praising him for that.
We can never know this, but I can't personally, and this is going to be a failing of mine.
I can't imagine President Obama acting particularly differently if this was going down.
I mean, at a certain point, like a situation like this, it takes its own momentum.
And there really isn't that much that a president or any individual can do.
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The one group that I am surprised about in terms of the extent of their malfeasance and depravity is the corporate press.
They are really showing their dedication to having no care about human life as a whole and just really being pure agents of evil.
And there was one clip, I played this on Nightshade yesterday, and I couldn't even wrap my head around it.
Corporate Press Malfeasance00:15:17
And there was a reporter saying, you know, very politely, I mean, he wasn't being sarcastic or antagonistic like Jim Acosta does, which is Jim Acosta's right.
And I don't know that I'd be that different if that was my job.
Where he's like, you know, Mr. President, you said that when people aren't grateful to you, you're not going to call these governors.
Like, don't you think that's kind of fucked up?
And Trump goes, read the fucking quote.
And he's, Trump says, you know, I want them to be grateful.
I don't mean me.
I mean, you know, was it the army engineers and the core and blah, blah, blah.
And Trump's like, you were literally repeating me saying, I don't mean me.
And the reporter just didn't, it didn't click.
He still thought this was a gotcha question.
And you're sitting there and you're like, I've had a, I've argued with some conservatives about this about whether these people are evil or stupid.
And you're sitting there and I'm just like, I don't, I can wrap my head around cropping his clip and him saying they better be grateful to me or I won't call.
But then when the next sentence is literally, I don't mean me.
And I'm reading that out loud.
I would be like, oh, I feel like an asshole.
And there was no recognition in the guy's face.
And I'm like, this is scary to me.
Because to me, I try very much, like with the North Korea book, Dear Reader, and with the New Right, to see things from other people's perspectives, even those perspectives are things that I think are deleterious to life and just evil.
And this is one where I'm like, I can't wrap my head around someone who is intelligent acting this way and not having any kind of self-awareness.
Yeah, no, I completely agree with you.
It's a weird, you know, it's like sometimes I'll say, even for people like me and you, who really kind of specialize in talking and thinking about how evil the corporate press is.
Like we, we've spent a lot of time, we've convinced many other people of their depravity, but they never cease to amaze me.
I mean, there'll literally be times where I'm still blown away, even though I've been sitting here, you know, for like a decade, publicly calling them a mouthpiece for war criminals.
You know, nothing should surprise me at this point.
But, you know, there'll be like the things like what they've always done to Trump, right?
Like we all, we all know the whole, there were good people on both sides.
They completely took that quote out of context and perverted what he was saying.
Anybody, it's on video.
Anybody can go.
It's not as if he said this to a reporter and we're relying on that.
I'm not sure Biden saying the same thing earlier about the Confederate flag.
Right, right.
But Donald Trump, the crazy thing about that was that he said what he said.
Then a report, this is all on video.
Then a reporter followed up with him and went, wait, are you saying there were good people there?
He goes, no, no, no.
I'm saying on the debate of whether or not we should tear down statues, there are good people on both sides of that.
I am not saying neo-Nazis are good people.
Like he made it perfectly clear and they still run with this.
Okay.
But the one they also ran with, why don't you ever denounce neo-Nazis?
Yes.
And after many clips of him saying it, it's like, you're lying.
You won't denounce David Duke.
There's literally a reel of him denouncing David Duke over and over and over again.
Okay, so they do all this stuff and we all call them out for it and all that.
But now you're in this pandemic where everybody's scared and they're still doing the same thing.
And you're just like, holy shit, is there no limit?
Like, have you no decency that you wouldn't even in this moment go, I'm not just going to try to score cheap points?
It's, it's unbelievable.
Chris Salizza, who's one of the worst of them.
The worst of the worst.
He's really horrible.
He tweeted out a sweatshirt he just bought, which says America needs journalists, right?
And I sat there and I'm like, look, I've got a huge ego.
My biography is called Ego and Hubris, right?
I'm not going to take second fiddle to anyone on this regard.
For me to buy a sweatshirt that says America needs me and then to tweet that out and to expect not to be set on fire is so removed from my understanding of how people think and operate that I can't bridge my understanding to his worldview.
And there's another one, and I'm not trying to get you in trouble, and I apologize in advance.
Your girl Essie Cup.
I just hit her this morning.
She had this tweet.
She goes, when Trump says people should hate the press, he says you should hate me.
And I'm fine with that.
Bitch, you're not fine with it.
But she goes, but keep in mind, when he says that, he means people in war and people covering the virus in the field and people in the Middle East.
And it's just like, no one, no one, not the biggest special needs Trump fan confuses you with reporters overseas and those covering the COVID virus.
The only person muddling this distinction for very obvious reasons is you.
And I said, I can understand.
I've seen guilt by association.
I've never seen valor by association.
Like you have these guys who are like interviewing ISIS and Al-Qaeda and they're getting their heads cut off and just really putting themselves in harm's way to get information out to the world.
That's not you who doesn't have a makeup artist in your house at CNN and now all of a sudden your eyeglasses are crooked.
Fuck you.
I wish, and she got hit really fucking hard and deserved.
No, I saw her.
Believe me, every time, every time Essie Cup tweets something really outrageous, I get tagged by about a thousand different people in the tweet.
And they're like, Dave, look at your girl now or go get your girl.
Yes.
So I was quite aware of this.
I used to say this to Essie all the time.
I mean, I used to say this to her regularly when I was a contributor to that show, where I would go, I think, and I would almost like, I liked Essie personally.
Like we never hung out off the show, but like she was always really friendly to me and she gave me a job.
And it was that, so you almost like, just on a human level, you want to be helpful in some way.
So I would always say, and I would say this to Brian Stelter too, to them, like we'd be in the green room and I'd be like, let me just, listen, who the fuck am I?
But let me just offer you a piece of advice.
Okay.
Instead of just talking about how dangerous it is that people hate CNN, ask yourselves why.
It resonates so much.
Like have an honest moment where you go, well, what is it about us that these people hate so much?
Just think about it.
Because I said, listen, I'm not trying to attack any of you, but I'll rattle off like 50 reasons if you want me to.
Like, like, literally, like, I mean, it really won't take me long at all.
And I would go like, and then I would just, you know, without anyone asking, I would start rattling them off, you know, like real quick.
They'd be like, I don't know.
I mean, how about, listen, like, it's not just that, like, you lied like that us into five different wars where these people have like lost kids.
And every single time it gets proven that your intelligence was wrong.
And after a while, even Joe Six Pack Middle America can tell you're trying to lie us into the next one.
I go, it's the fact that literally we had the worst recession since the Great Depression.
And the whole middle of the country didn't participate in the recovery.
And you guys never talked about it.
And then you called them racist for being concerned about it.
I mean, like, there are, it's, and you can just go on and on and on.
What was their reaction?
Um, they'd kind of get uncomfortable and like nod.
And then it was like, and then it was like the next time you talked to him, it was like that conversation had never happened.
Yeah.
If that, if that makes sense.
It makes sense.
Yeah.
It was just as if like you had never said this before.
You know, like I remember one time, and this was on camera, I said to Brian Stelter, he was going off about, so this was right after the Parkland shooting.
Yeah.
And he was talking about how dangerous it is that there are these conspiracy theories.
So I guess that the number one video on YouTube that week and it was like trending on Twitter was a video saying this was a, you know, a false flag.
Okay.
Which it wasn't.
And that's stupid.
But, you know, that, but Brian Stelter is going off about how dangerous that was.
And then Essie asks me, this is all on air.
I don't know.
Someone might have the tape of this.
But Essie asked me, she goes, why do these conspiracies, like, why is this so popular?
Why is this fake news, you know, so popular?
And I was like, well, I think that the truth is that there are tons of conspiracies that are real and the mainstream media never reports on any of them.
So then the people who do report on them gain a lot of credibility and they also throw a lot of other craziness at the wall.
And Brian Stelter goes, yeah, but this is dangerous.
This is more.
And I said, what I said at the end of my thing is I go, and then people believe silly stuff like this.
And Brian Stelter interrupts me and he goes, this isn't silly.
This is dangerous.
This is really dangerous.
And I said to him, and this is one of my favorite moments that I got this all on camera.
I said, I go, Barack Obama signed into law the right to detain American citizens without a trial and imprison them indefinitely.
And no one at CNN said anything.
I go, that's dangerous.
Someone making a YouTube video about a shooting that didn't happen is not really dangerous in comparison.
What was their reaction?
He just didn't say anything.
And then SE immediately, she jumps in and asks him an unrelated question.
So like she doesn't let the conversation go, you know what I mean, any further because there's really, there's no answer to that.
Speaking of which, this is really great, just tying in two things that we're just talking about.
Someone sent me a tweet once, which is, I wish I remembered their name, so I give them credit that they said, Pizzagate sure aged better than Russia Gate.
Oh, yes.
Yes, I saw that.
That's such a great tweet.
And just yesterday, a friend of mine alerted me to this, so I gave it a signal boost.
Jimmy Wales, I think is his name, the head of Wikipedia.
He had this like 20 tweet thread about like, guys, there has been a lot of pedophilia in our important organizations.
And this has been going on for a long time.
Here are the receipts.
And the press doesn't talk about it.
And that's how these people get away with it.
And it's really, really, really bad.
And this is an issue that has meant a lot to me.
I talked about it last time was on Rogan because a friend of mine came out as having been the victim of childhood sexual abuse.
And I'm like, all right, I'm going to make, do what I can in my very limited way to make this something people feel more comfortable discussing because there is a consensus about the predators.
But what we all forget is that these kids grow up and they don't feel comfortable telling their friends because their friends don't know how to react.
And now they're the ones dealing with it for years.
And I got some, you know, I heard from a lot of people after the Rogan show.
And one guy's like, yeah, I'm married.
Like the guy was like a hunk.
His wife was gorgeous.
He goes, I think about it every day and I have never told anyone.
And like I was the first person he told and I gave him advice and he followed it and it worked out very well.
But someone jumps in and I just talked about it yesterday on Twitter last night.
It was very late.
And someone jumps in and goes, well, you don't talk about this when your boy Trump is raping teenage girls.
And I'm just like, what kind of mind is this where I am saying, you know, this is a big issue that happens to children.
And your response is, yeah, well, what about Trump?
And it's just like, this to me is very disturbing.
It's like, it's like this, to borrow your terminology, it's like this midwit desperate.
It's Vox Day's terminology.
It's not mine.
I'm sorry, Vox Days, but that is good.
But he goes, it's this Midwit desperation to like, it's like they've got this little worldview.
And you said something way out here and they're like, let me pull this back into my worldview where you're team Trump and I'm team blue because I'm comfortable with that.
Right.
And which, you know, just making you team Trump to begin with is ridiculous.
Like he's, it's, it's really hilarious that someone like you who's just like, he's like, well, I'm an anarchist without adjectives.
Like that's how you describe yourself.
I'm just an anarchist.
And then Trump is the guy who presides over the biggest state in the history of the world.
And that anyone would go, oh, that's your boy.
And you're just like, no, you just enjoy his trolling.
Like, it's as simple as that.
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What was the guy?
There was the guy who was on that panel with Jim with Don Lemon and Rick Wilson, the Muslim guy.
I forget his name.
And I apologize because I got it wrong.
And I was arguing with him on Twitter about how, because I made the point that they're one second away from using the N-word the way they're describing low-class whites.
I mean, they're illiterate, they're inbred, they are shoeless.
Even the accent.
Even the accent they did.
Yeah.
And I said, this is, you know, this is decades away from you.
This is exactly the same stereotypes just applied it to poor urban white, to poor rural whites.
This is an observation Jib God had made.
And he comes at me, he goes, Would you be making the same criticism if President Trump was saying these things?
And I said to him, My view is that President Trump should, no, I will compromise on saying that Trump should be in jail with every other politician.
And he didn't have anything to say about that.
And believe me, I would have no problem locking up the entire political class.
And neither would you.
This is what I said, but I said this.
I've said this so many times on my show.
It's like, I don't even know.
I've lost count.
It's literally probably in the hundreds of times that I've repeated this, especially through Trump's impeachment.
But I absolutely think that Donald Trump should be impeached and tried for war crimes for what he's done to Yemen.
It's absolutely despicable.
It's a crime against humanity.
He should be convicted in a court of law, in international court probably, and hung publicly for what he's done.
He's starving babies to death.
It's the most evil shit ever.
But if we want to be just about it, he should be joined by Obama and Bush and Clinton and Bush Sr. and every president of my lifetime.
So it's like, no, he's not this unique evil.
He's continuing the evil.
Ignorant About Ukraine00:08:42
But the point you were making, I mean, that was like a real, a real amazing moment where, again, it's like, it just answers itself.
Like I posed the question earlier that I said to Essie and Brian Stelter, why don't you think about why they hate you?
And then play that segment and just really scratch your head.
Like, why do you think it is that they hate you?
Because you have utter contempt for them.
Well, it's also the converse.
And I talked about this on Ruben: is what mindset do you have to have that you think knowing where Ukraine is on a map is a signal of your brilliance?
I said, we've all played risk.
I was born there.
I mean, even if a lot of people can't find it, you're hardly Einstein that you can find one of the largest countries in Europe on the map.
But what they, and if you know how to spell your correctly, which is a second grade thing, you're not a genius.
You're at the second grade level.
This is not do you ever, I forget who it was.
Oh, it might have been in that same clip.
And it was, oh, goddammit, I'm blanking on his name.
Damn it, damn it, damn it.
But he's like, real, real smart, conservative guy who was a neocon, but is now like a kind of Trump supporting guy.
Oh, I think he's at the Hoover Institute.
Damn it.
I'm blanking on his name.
But he was talking about this because I think they made fun of farmers on that at one point.
Like something about that.
And he was like, do you know how much like how crazy modern farming is?
Like how much intelligence goes into it.
And by the way, I don't, this was all news to me.
I don't know anything about farming, but it's like really fucking crazy to like know everything.
These idea that these fucking, especially the like, quote, like foreign policy, you know, experts who roam around, the like max boots of the world, they think they're so fucking brilliant and sophisticated because they know.
And by the way, they're not even good on their thing.
They don't even know.
Like I'm an idiot comedian and I know more about this shit than they do.
I literally would, I'd school any one of them in an argument about what's going on in these Middle East countries.
And I'm an idiot.
I just like, I paid attention to the right people.
But they, they, they just like kind of talk down to these people who it's like, yeah, so you may know where Ukraine is on a map.
Do you know anything about food production?
Do you know anything about like, you know, like how hot water systems work?
I mean, there's like a lot of things to know.
And the idea that you would pick this as the thing, that like there might be somebody, and in fact, there are tons of people who couldn't find Ukraine on a map who have knowledge about very important things that you know nothing about.
It's really, yeah.
And so, of course, now, just bringing it back to this whole pandemic situation, one of the things we're seeing, and I think we're seeing this from the political class and from the corporate press, is that they really are, in many ways, one-trick ponies, that they don't really know how to adapt to a situation like this.
Which is an advantage for us.
Well, in some senses it is, but in some sense, I mean, look, the government's first reaction to this crisis was to just give trillions of dollars to the people.
Yeah, yeah, no, I agree.
So that part ain't so good.
But I'm just saying, it shows that if someone can only hear sing one song, it's a lot easier to red pill people and be like, look, it was just yesterday, just yesterday, Susan Rice was on with, I forget who it was, MSNBC, I believe.
And she was saying, oh, calling it Chinese virus is to stigmatize people of Asian descent.
And this was by design.
It's like, okay, let's break this down, bitch.
First of all, it's much more racist to equate China and Asian people as one thing.
You fucking go to Asia, go to Japan, go to Korea, go to any of these countries and say, oh, you're Chinese.
And watch their fucking reaction to you.
It's deranged.
Just like, this is one of the big reasons I'm not an identitarian.
And I talked about this with Jared Taylor.
It's like, you don't go to a French France and go, oh, France, Germany.
It's basically the same.
And they're like, are you, they don't even know where to begin, you know, talking to you, number one.
Number two is the fact is, you know, and I make this conservatives can't wrap their head around this.
And this is how I explain it to them.
I go, all of conservatism, or largely, is based on the Constitution.
The Constitution, we should go back, Constitution, my Constitution, right?
So it makes sense that if you're going to argue for something politically, it's going to be in reference to the Constitution.
Everything for them is a function of race and racism for this type of leftist.
So when you have a pandemic which comes out of China and your concern, Amy Klobuchar was tweeting about this.
Your concern is, what does this mean about racism in Asians?
By the way, for the first time, they've discovered racism against Asians.
This is unprecedented.
Yeah, it's really funny.
sudden now they care about racism and Asia.
I never thought about that angle of it.
That's a really good point.
And it's like, again, people are dying.
It came from China.
MRSA, ME stands for Middle East, you know, all these other diseases.
And your only concern is what does this mean about minorities?
It's like you are a member of a fundamentalist faith, which does not take in any data and always has the same message.
And that's what I'm saying is very helpful.
It's like when you point this out, it's just like, holy shit, these people only have one song.
You're right.
And of course, another thing that goes along with this, which would be obvious, is that the neocons are also a member of that exact same faith.
I remember, I saw it.
I can't remember if it was Bill Crystal or David From.
I'm pretty sure it was one of them who tweeted out.
They were like, calling it the Chinese virus is ridiculous.
That's why no one calls it the Spanish flu anymore.
I went viral.
I've only heard it referred to as the Spanish flu.
I'm sorry.
Oh, you didn't see the second part.
Someone has sent it to me and then I retweeted it and it went wide.
He had called it the Spanish flu years ago.
And I just retweeted and I go, what changed, Mr. From?
And it went completely wide.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, I must have missed that.
Oh, God, it's so funny.
Oh, yeah.
You could find it on my Twitter.
Of course, because everyone calls it the Spanish flu.
What are we pretending?
No, you're absolutely right.
And it's really, the funny thing about it, the real irony of it is, is it's, I would, I would just add to the point that you were making because it's even further.
It's not only do Japanese and Chinese not consider themselves one, they're the quickest to give you the real dirt on the other.
Oh, yeah.
They're the quickest to let you know, oh, these fucking, you know, these Chinese shady motherfuckers are the ones that they'll do you like this.
And the Japanese and these motherfuckers are like, you know, I mean, they, and I remember seeing one video, which I'm sure you, particularly given your, you know, background would, would, you know, pick apart right away.
But it was a Jared Taylor video and he was basically making the point that really what matters is race because he goes, you know, he was like, well, look at, you know, like, I forget the some sub, you know, sub-Saharan African country, and then look at, you know, America or look at, you know, Singapore, and then look at Sweden and look at these countries.
And he goes, no, they have very different political systems.
I mean, Sweden has this general social safety net, but everybody seems happy and it's a functioning country and all this.
But look at this African country and it doesn't matter.
And it doesn't matter.
Somalia, they have like no taxes, but look at Somalia and blah, blah, blah.
And so it leaves you with this impression of like, all that matters is identity, right?
All that matters is your race.
And it's like a strong identitarian argument.
Except the problem with that is like, now do that with East German, with East Berlin under communism.
Right.
Now, North Korea, South Korea.
Now do like any of these.
Now do China, Hong Kong.
No, actually, the system does really matter.
Maybe you can't find an African example of like a really like, you know, prosperous country, but that doesn't mean that whiteness alone sure as fuck ain't going to be enough.
I don't engage with the anti-Semites on the issue of Judaism because I don't think I can win because no matter what I say, but the one thing I've never said, which I've often thought is, you know, there's the big argument about divided loyalties, right?
You care about Israel more than you care about America, blah, blah.
I never talk about Israel.
I'm not informed in Israel.
But you guys talk about Germany and Sweden far more than I talk about or care about Israel.
And I don't blame you for caring about Germany and Sweden and what's going on and in Rotterdam and England and all that.
I care about these things too.
But that's not divide loyalties.
That's just concern for general human happiness and trends that could have very bad consequences.
Yeah.
No, that's that's a fair point.
Loyalty vs Human Concerns00:08:37
I, so I was, um, I don't know, I was, I was joking around with my wife last night where I was saying, like, you know, like, you'll, like those stories like in the Bible where God's like wiping a bunch of people out, like Sodom and Gomorrah, or like Noah's Ark or any of that shit.
And like, I go, like, if God was, was wiping out our society with the coronavirus or he was just like destroying us and you tried to argue with God why we deserve to be saved.
I feel like you'd be about five minutes into that conversation before you'd go like, all right, God, you're right.
Just wipe us out.
I guess I don't really have it.
I guess I don't really have much of a thing to say.
There's so many jokes that I can't say.
Like, I'm such a hipster.
I'm old enough to remember that when plagues just hit gay people.
Like, shit like this, but like, you got to fucking hold back.
I mean, like, really?
If you looked at our society and you were like, and God was like, I mean, there's, I'm wiping you guys out.
This is awful.
You'd be like, no, come on, God, we're not that bad.
And you'd be like, there's like four genocides going on in the Middle East.
And what are you doing about that?
And I was like, I mean, I've been podcasting pretty hard about it for a while.
And he was like, I mean, Jesus Christ, that's what you're doing.
You're podcasting about it.
Well, I don't know.
It just seemed like the comfortable.
I'm part of the problem.
You can't claim that I'm being dishonest.
Yeah, that's right.
And then I'd be like, no, but there's, it's not all people who are committing genocides.
You know, there's a lot of people who are like watching Jerry Springer and stuff like that.
You know, I mean, there's.
A lot of us are committing it.
Some of us are indifferent to it.
Yeah.
It's like, I feel like I'd, without him even saying anything back, I would just, I'd be like, okay, you, you were probably right to do that.
I'm sorry for wasting your time, God.
So I went to yeshiva Jew school when I was a kid.
And there's actually, so every kind of Bible story has been like analyzed to death and looked at from every angle.
And a lot of it's really entertaining and funny.
And that Sodom and Gomorrah story, something we were taught about, which was really kind of cool and interesting, which is it's Abraham is arguing with God about wiping out Sodom and Gomorrah.
And he's like, all right.
And he's haggling.
It's very Jewish.
He's like, all right, if I find 50 moral people in Sodom, will you spare it?
And God's like, all right.
He's like, okay, all right.
What about 45?
And he's like, okay.
Oh, that's what I was my final answer.
And he gets him down to 10.
But the analysis that we were taught is what he was trying to do.
He goes, can I want to find 50 people?
And God's like, sure.
And Moses goes, what about if I took five off?
And God's like, okay.
And what he meant was, take the five off 50 and leave zero.
So like, like, all right, I'm not going to find any, but I got you.
So I really love that kind of interpretation of the story where even Abraham is like doing what you're saying.
He's like, all right, I'm fucked.
These people deserve to be killed.
But let me see if I can still save him with my Jewish trickery.
Yeah.
Well, there you go.
And look at this.
You're converting to an alt-right identitarian in the middle of this podcast.
You're like, hey, you know what?
I don't know.
I've got my degenerate hair, which I can't get rid of because I can get a haircut.
I'm literally, I'm close to having my wife cut my hair, which I'm not.
I'm a little bit terrified about it.
And she's so into it, which does it.
She's like, oh, let me cut your hair.
Let me cut your hair.
And I'm like, first off, now you're too excited about this.
Does she have any experience?
No.
Oh.
No.
She's like, no, she's like, I do.
I feel like it's easy to cut curly hair, right?
Because it'll fix itself.
Wavy.
I don't know.
I've gotten some bad haircuts before.
She's like, she's been a makeup artist and an esthetician and stuff.
Oh, okay.
She's got a little, but it's not cutting hair.
It's a different thing, you know?
Anyway.
Well, let me ask you this.
Thomas, okay, I'm interested in what's going on.
Sure.
I was in DMing with Thomas Nassey, and he was going to be a surprise guest and you're welcome.
Right.
And then he's like, you know what?
Let me hold off until my primary, which is in May.
And I remember when we had this conversation.
I've never told this to anyone before.
And then he's on your fucking show.
So what the fuck?
How did that happen?
Listen, bro, you got Hoppa.
I got Massey.
All right.
So we all get our interviews.
Oh, I didn't know.
I had no idea.
State as fuck.
You could have Massey.
I'll take Hoppe.
You got the capital.
You got the more hardcore guy.
Well, you have to understand for a Romney supporter, Massey is a pretty wild guy to have on your podcast.
No, you know what?
A fan of my show, Brian.
I don't want to say his full name because I don't know if he'd want to be mentioned on the show, but he set it up.
He was like, hey, I was talking to some of Massey's people and they'd be down to do it.
Would you be interested?
And I was like, yeah, absolutely.
And then he put me in touch with the campaign guy.
And even when he did that, I was like, this is probably a long shot.
Probably won't happen.
And then they jumped on it.
He was a stable thing.
I'm going to follow up with him now.
I have a cell phone number.
He fucker gave me a cell phone.
I'm like, what the fuck?
I literally just lost confidence in Thomas Massey.
I don't know.
I feel like he shouldn't give Michael Malice his cell phone number.
I don't know why.
I know, dude.
You should have an email at best.
I have that too.
He's my favorite statist.
He is.
He is as good.
He is.
That's how I entered him on the podcast.
But he is.
I said, there's only two congressmen I've ever had on the show.
He's my first sitting congressman I've ever had on the show.
I had Ron Paul and Thomas Massey.
And I said, and now in my list of congressmen that I really admire, I have had all of them on my show.
Like, that's it.
They're the best that you'll ever get is a Ron Paul or Thomas Massey as far as what technically is a statist.
But really, they spend their whole lives fighting against the state.
But yeah, he's the best guy in the house by far right now.
Oh, yeah.
Did you ask him about Justin?
I didn't watch the episode yet.
Apologies.
Did you ask him about Amash?
No, he mentioned Amash at one point.
Okay, good.
Yeah, yeah.
No, I didn't get into that at all, but he did say, you know, that he, like I mentioned at one point, because I mentioned Judge Napolitano for something, for some reason, I can't remember.
And I said, like, I was like, look, I disagreed with Napolitano on the impeachment.
And he said, I did too.
Like, he supported Trump through the impeachment.
So I'm sure he disagreed with Amash on that.
I did one time.
This is, I guess I could talk about this, but I talked to Senator Mike Lee just not on the podcast, just backstage at Kennedy.
And we chatted for a while.
And I was thinking to her, I was like, what the fuck is Amash doing with this whole thing?
And he was kind of like, yeah, I don't really get it.
Like, it's weird.
So I think some of the other guys were kind of like, Amash just chose a really weird moment to take this stand that I just felt like.
He didn't leverage it.
That's the thing that's weird.
Like, I can understand how you're like, all right, I'm going to be the maverick and I'm going to make my name here.
And he didn't seem to be doing that.
So I'm like, what is your endgame here?
And he didn't pick a good issue.
He picked like the Mueller report.
Yeah, the only two Republicans who turned are your favorite people, Romney and Amash.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There you go.
My guy.
I got to speak that out.
No, no.
Don't go spreading misinformation.
I'm not a big Amash guy.
He's a little radical.
Explains all his votes and everything like that.
I don't, you know, it's like, he split his vote.
It's integrity.
Yeah.
Oh, my God.
Dude, when fucking, who is it?
Tarlov was on your show.
I was watching that recently when she was talking about Mitt Romney's integrity, which, by the way, I was like, oh, he's going to make a joke about me in here.
I know he is, but you didn't.
You missed your opportunity.
But it's just, man, what a weird, what a weird mindset.
And I like Jessica.
She's great.
I've done a bunch of shows with her and stuff.
I adore her.
I can't understand the mindset.
Here's why I was confused by that or I didn't agree.
Romney is a flip-flopper.
He's known for this.
He's been attacked for this.
His whole career.
Yeah.
That's the opposite of integrity.
Like by definition.
So it's it's easier for me to say, and I'll say this plain as day: Warren, Sanders, AOC have more, uh, uh, fucking, I uh, what's what's the name?
Um, Ilhan Omar, they've got more integrity in a political sense than Romney.
They're sticking to their guns.
So that's not the word you use to just standing up to your party is often a very good positioning technique because now you're the, you're the, you are different.
So that is very good in terms of where you want to position yourself.
So it's, it would not be an example of integrity.
It just, it was an odd descriptor of him.
Abortion Integrity Debate00:09:42
Yeah, it was ridiculous.
Especially him.
He was, he was auditioning for the Secretary of State role.
And we all know if he had gotten it, he would have said nothing but nice things about Donald Trump.
And then it's, no, it's, oh, just the worst.
I hate to slam my boy, but he's just, you know, he fucked up on that one.
I also, by the way, watching that, I've, I've never felt more solidified in my pro-life position than watching Jessica squirm around your, because you're just coming from it from a position of like, you're not like coming from a pro-life or pro-choice position.
You're you're coming from a position of like, you know, I'm thinking about this issue.
Yeah, I know.
And I have some.
I want to be convinced because it's what I'm being heard for the pro-choice camp, I'm finding very disturbing.
So please bring me back.
And it was, she was saying things that made no sense that were just like ridiculous.
And then as you called her out on going out of her way to use this weird terminology where it's like, you know, a real sign that you're wrong about something is that you can't even state it clearly.
You can't even say what your position is.
You have to constantly use euphemisms and constantly dance around it.
That's a real bad.
And then she said at one point, she said that she said she would only be for late-term abortions if the life of the mother or the baby were on the line.
And I was like, well, the life of the baby is on the line in every abortion.
That's the point of the abortion.
There's never a situation where you need an abortion because the baby might die.
Like if it's going to be a stillbirth or is a stillbirth.
But there's not technical abortion.
No, a stillbirth is when the baby is born.
No, no, but I think a lot of times they induce like a lot of times the baby will die and they induce a delivery to get it out of there because it's that that wouldn't be an abortion.
That's an emergency effort to save the baby.
They're trying to get have you deliver that baby right now and sometimes it doesn't work.
But the idea that you would go, oh my God, we think your baby could die.
So we're going to kill it because, you know, we wouldn't want your baby to die.
So it's like, and that's, and to me, it's like, if no, if, if you're at the point where you can't admit that, that a third trimester baby that committing an abortion is killing a baby, then I, I just don't think we're having an honest conversation about this anymore.
I mean, there is nothing, and it's, I'll tell you, after, and I bet there's a lot of fathers who could relate to this, but one of the first things that I remember thinking as I was holding my daughter the day she was born in my arms was, and it's the thing, it's like so trippy and it blows your mind.
You're holding this baby and you're like, yesterday, she was living in my wife.
Like, like literally, and at a certain point, you're like, an hour ago, she was living in my wife.
And you're like, and now she's here in my arms and she's this baby.
And you realize there's nothing magical about the vaginal canal.
I mean, there's, there's some things magical, but in terms of creating, like, there's nothing, it's not like, oh, she became a person the second she passed through that.
She was the same thing.
Understood the argument, or even that there is an argument, that because there's this amount of skin between what's inside the womb and the outside world, that somehow this isn't a human being.
Like that makes zero sense to me when it's largely developed.
I don't get it.
And I hear anything the contrary.
Okay, we said a slight tech issue there, but I'll try to fix that in post.
So, yeah.
What I was saying is the argument or the claim that because there's some skin, a woman's stomach between this baby and the outside world, and therefore it's not a human being, to me makes no sense.
And I say this as someone who does identify himself as pro-choice, but we're talking about eight or nine months.
Like, if you could induce labor today and this kid would survive in the incubator, and that means in any sense, this woman isn't a murderer, unless, again, there are cases when murder is acceptable, killing is acceptable, right?
Like, this is an imminent threat to something like that.
I get it.
And I don't think doctors are going to do that lightly.
I should hope not.
And I don't think that they will.
But this claim that it's just like, it's like, oh, shucks, what are you going to do?
It's healthcare.
I'm like, I can't wrap my head around it.
Yeah.
And I always just, you know, what ended up happening to me, and I guess it, you know, it wasn't until I had my daughter that I really became pro-life.
But I was starting to for a while before then.
And one of the things that happened is that every single pro-choice argument, the holes in it just started to seem bigger and bigger and bigger.
I just thought of a great tweet.
Sure, go for it.
How pro-choice are you on a scale of one to Eric Clapton?
Jesus.
You're a bad person, Michael.
That's a bad person.
That is such a good line.
It's not, it's not bad.
That's that is even radical Democrats would be like, that's too, that's too far for me.
Too far.
Oh, fuck.
But these arguments, I mean, I remember Jessica saying on your show where she's like, you know, they start going into these things where it's like, you know, most women who have an abortion don't just do it because they feel like it on a Tuesday night.
You know, and then they start kind of like mentioning these things.
And it's like, wait, but that, what?
No one's who cares?
Who cares what your motivation was when you went in or what your attitude was?
And then she'll say, you know, they bring up third-term abortions, but those are very rare.
So now all of a sudden, very rare is an argument that we shouldn't.
Murder's very rare.
Well, the number of people who are murdered in real life is extremely rare.
Yes.
And it doesn't matter.
But then they'll contradict themselves when they start talking about the life of the mother being threatened.
You're like, okay, well, that's very rare.
That's a very rare situation, but we're allowed to talk about that.
Rape and incest are very rare, but we're allowed to talk about those situations.
So does very rare matter or does it not?
And the truth is that the overwhelming majority of abortions happen because they don't want the baby.
Yeah.
I mean, like one way or the other.
It's just they don't want it.
But I'm it drives me insane.
And this is a reason I still, you know, I don't feel comfortable with the pro-life camp is this argument of, well, you know, you don't get to punish someone else for something you did wrong.
And I'm like, I don't think getting laid is something that should be punished.
I don't think that's something people should be ashamed about.
I don't think it's something that is, I mean, it's going to have negative consequences if you do too much, sure, like drug use or anything else in excess.
But this inherently like sex is somehow bad premise is something I find very subtle in a lot of pro-life rhetoric and something that I find very off-putting.
Well, it's not, I mean, I don't know that it's subtle because I think that the majority of pro-lifers are devout Christians and they believe that you should be waiting till marriage to have sex.
And so it's kind of like, well, yeah, this is kind of, you shouldn't be having sex out of wedlock at all.
And if you are, like, this is what happens.
You have a baby.
So I agree that I don't think sex should be punished.
I also don't think of a baby as a punishment.
Exactly.
And the question libertarians, and I know you don't identify as a libertarian, but the question for people who are concerned with non-aggression, and I think that does describe you, is it or is it not an act of aggression to kill even as Jessica admitted?
And, you know, it's funny because I'll say like it's killing a baby and people will right away be like, okay, but that's kind of like, I don't know, I guess they accuse it's like begging the question because if it's a baby, then it's already wrong.
And if it's killing, so you're all, but the truth is, even Jessica would admit with all of her friends, they talk about it as a baby.
Like they go, if her friend is pregnant, they're like, oh, did you pick out the baby's clothes?
Did you pick out the baby's room?
Because that's how we all think.
Because that's what it is.
It is a baby inside of you.
If someone, and here's the other case, if it's not an abortion and God forbid someone has a stillbirth or a miscarriage, you're not like, oh, shucks, let's go to Cabo.
You're like, this is really bad.
So what you're left with in the pro-choice argument is that your feelings or desires determine the humanity of what's in you.
If you want it, it's a baby.
If you don't want it, it's all shucks.
Now you're selling it because I have no problem determining the humanity of other people because I think very few people are fully human.
Yeah, no, I know, but you wouldn't be, but I know you're half kidding, but you're more talking about how you value other human life.
If we're talking about the right to kill other human life because you don't value it that way, that's that's, you know, that's reminding you of the old government in your home country a little bit that you can just, you can just talk about what life is, you know, not valuable.
And really, you know, like the other thing, man, I really didn't even plan on talking about this.
And I don't want to pick on Jessica too much.
So this will be the last thing I say because I like her.
She's cool.
She's always been cool to me and she's a good person.
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But she, when she said the thing, she goes, you know, the problem is they don't have enough of these clinics in these poorer areas and that disproportionately affects black people.
And you're like, your problem is black people don't get enough abortions.
Like, that's really your issue.
You think they don't get enough abortions?
Do you know what percentage of black babies are aborted?
It's a percentage.
I don't know.
Me neither.
But it's very large.
I'd have to look it up.
It's large.
Okay.
Yeah.
Let's take that to the bank.
It's large.
I was really hoping you weren't going to call me out on that.
Literally, as I was saying it, I was like, oh, shit, I can't remember what the percentage is.
But there you go.
All right.
Let's, so let's, let's bring this rodeo to a close.
What go ahead?
We're going to be telling this to the fans.
So we're going to be doing these crossover episodes.
Yes.
For as much of this quarantine.
So I'll see you on your welcome on Tuesday.
All right.
Excellent.
So we'll do a part of the problem.
And I think what we need to do is we both have our own little groups.
Let people write in or tweet at us questions that we want to discuss.
And I'll be glad to be receptive to what the plebs have to say in this unique circumstance.
You will determine their humanity based on their questions.
They are welcome.
Exactly.
They're welcome to, you know, and I think a lot of what I like when I do this sometimes with Tom, the very failed podcaster, is a lot of times, like, what do you guys want to hear us talk about?
They'll have some really good, interesting questions.
And it's like, I would never think this would be of interest, but sure, let's fucking go for it.
So, yeah, I think it'll be a lot of fun.
Absolutely, dude.
And it's always a pleasure in life, whether it's recorded or not.
I always enjoy talking with you, man.
Stay safe and stay sane.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Absolutely, brother.
All right.
Thanks, everybody, for listening.
And I'll see you on your welcome coming up in just a couple of days.
And yeah, so submit your questions, put them in the part of the problem inner circle or in Michael's group.