Dave Smith and the hosts dissect the Democratic debate, noting Michael Bloomberg's collapse under Elizabeth Warren's NDA attacks while Bernie Sanders emerges as the front-runner despite losing. They allege the establishment created ISIS to block Sanders, criticize the FBI for targeting Roger Stone while ignoring official lies, and condemn the Libertarian Party for defending mob violence against Caitlin Bennett. The discussion further analyzes Trump's pardon of Blagojevich as a ratings game, opposes state-run capital punishment, and argues that converting people to libertarianism outweighs mere wealth creation strategies. Ultimately, the episode suggests the entire political system is corrupt and destined to collapse under its own contradictions. [Automatically generated summary]
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Roll Back The State00:15:04
Now, let's start the show.
We need to roll back the state.
We spy on all of our own citizens.
Our prisons are flooded with nonviolent drug offenders.
We want to know who America's next item is.
Look at Google funding life.
Every single one of these problems are reserved of government being racist.
What is up, Philadelphia Live?
Part of the problem.
Oh, this is fucking nice.
It's sold out.
Frankie Bradley's.
Guys, give it up for Robbie the Fire.
Bernstein is here with me.
Ah, Philadelphia.
Our tour continues.
We started in Boston and now we're in Philly.
I asked Rob to book me in all the places where racism is still cool.
And here we are, stop number two.
And we're just going to go back and forth, you know?
So we'll fucking do a live part of the problem and we're going to do like maybe half of it as us bullshitting and then we'll take questions.
You guys can ask us about whatever you want to.
I'm excited.
We have a stand-up show coming up after this.
Clap your hands if you're coming to the stand-up show after.
All right, I love it.
Very good.
A good portion of the room.
We have found a way to sell our fans twice.
Man, this is what you get when a Jew's running the show.
Am I right?
I mean, I'm a Jew too, but you know, I'm not.
I had Nick Fuentes on last episode, so that takes me down at least a few fucking points.
So there's a, all right, there's a lot of fun shit going on.
Oh, holy shit, Michael Heiss in the motherfucking house.
What's going on, brother?
The Prince of the Meecox is here.
I appreciate you stopping by.
Good to see you, my man.
Huh?
Did you?
Did you?
All right.
Well, you're blessed for another term.
Very good.
Fuck yeah, how many of you guys support the mecox and the libertarian party?
Yeah.
All right, there we go.
I think we got a real shot of finishing third this time.
Holy shit, did you guys watch the fucking debate the other night?
Okay.
I get where you're coming from.
Now, I always say, you know, people are like, I love that you cover the debates.
Like, you watch them so I don't have to and all that shit.
Let me tell you about this last one.
You might want to watch that one.
It was glorious.
Fucking glorious.
Michael Bloomberg, you could actually see his soul leave his body.
Like, you, I've never watched a debate before where I could see the moment that a candidate realized he just blew $400 million.
Which, like, in perspective would be like one of us blowing like 50 bucks.
But you'd still be like, fuck, I shouldn't.
Elizabeth Warren came out swinging.
She just, whoo.
Let me tell you something about Elizabeth Warren.
If I was her campaign manager, I'd have been like, this should have been you from the beginning.
She was just an asshole.
And that suits her.
Like, don't do any of this, like, oh, you know, I'm just hanging out with my mom and my pa.
You know, you're being fake.
You're not nice.
You're not an Indian.
You're a cunt.
And that's okay.
You know what I mean?
Like, everyone has their role.
And she just came out swinging.
And Bloomberg had no answers for what should have been the most easily anticipated question or attacks ever.
And it just watched him just die on stage.
And it was glorious.
He did get that one line in that I liked.
I'm sure you liked that too, Rob.
I don't know which line you're referring to.
So he had one line where he goes, America, what a country, where the most prominent socialist is a millionaire who has three homes.
And the whole crowd went, not cool.
Bernie Sanders is, how dare you?
I work for those houses.
Those are my houses.
It was a fucking, like, I can't believe that point doesn't resonate more.
Like, it really doesn't bother them that Bernie Sanders is a millionaire with three homes.
Shouldn't that be like, shouldn't that piss them off?
Remember, he used to say the millionaires and the billionaires, and now he just says the billionaires because he's a millionaire?
I think the cure is we have to make Bernie Sanders a billionaire and then he'll just shut the fuck up.
So go buy his book is what I'm trying to tell you.
Buy his book, donate to his campaign.
Let's do whatever we can to get Bernie Sanders a billion dollars before he's just a fucking free market capitalist.
Bernie Sanders is going to turn into Ron Paul if he just makes enough money.
So Michael Bloomberg just got wrecked.
He got hit on Stop and Frisk.
They hit him on that real hard.
He got hit on the NDAs, the non-disclosure agreements that evidently some women at his company had to sign.
And I got to say, Elizabeth Warren, that was a brilliant political move where she just challenged him.
She goes, why don't you release the women right now from their NDAs on TV?
And he had to go.
Well, we came to an agreement.
Yeah.
Well, why would I do that?
I talked to the lady, we spoke it over, and we made an agreement.
So no.
He really did just give the jewiest New York answer ever.
He goes, well, it's an agreement.
It's an agreement.
But isn't that a weird position at a fucking Democratic debate?
You got to sit there and they're like, well, why don't you just let these women tell their story?
And you have to go, nah.
Like, women's stories are overrated.
And they're boring.
They keep going on and on.
I mean, do you really just want to let them open their mouths?
No.
Yeah, they always preface with, I have the funniest story, and then you're like 12 minutes into it, and you're like, nothing remotely funny has happened in this story yet.
So, like, I get where Bloomberg's coming from.
I don't need the highlights.
I don't need the play-by-play of the meeting you were at today.
Just give me the summation.
What happened at the end of this bullshit?
I thought he might at least be good at debating.
Like, I thought he might come in like, I'm an alternative.
He had nothing.
Joe Biden seemed 15 years older than he was at the last debate.
Mayor Pete is, I'm pretty sure, half robot.
I don't know if he's human.
Amy Klobuchore is shakier than Michael J. Fox.
I'm just going down the list here.
Who else?
Who else was on stage?
Did I miss anyone?
Yeah, no, that was everyone.
Andrew Yang's gone.
He wasn't there.
Yeah.
Andrew Yang fucking ran a campaign on I will give you money if you vote for me.
And people were still like, nah, I don't think so.
But he got a job at CNN for it.
Yeah, he sure did.
Do you think they just bought him out?
Like they said, hey, man, you're not winning this anything.
We'll give you a job.
I would never accuse the good folks at CNN of doing anything on tort like that.
It does seem a little bit strange, the timing.
Like, they didn't even give his campaign body a week to cool.
They were just like, come on in.
And now you're like commentating against the people you were just running against.
Seems like a conflict of interest.
He keeps sitting there.
He's listening to the debate.
He goes, That's a good idea.
But you know, it'd be a better idea is if we just gave him $1,000.
I just think it's like asking you to comment on a guy who just kicked your ass.
Like, it'd be like if you got in a fight outside the bar and you got the shit beaten out of you.
And then they were like, what do you think of that guy?
And you were like, I think he's a dick.
I don't know.
I think he sucks.
And I should have won.
I felt that way when Pete was going after Clubber Langface.
That should have been the undercard at this point.
Like when they're fighting, it's like, let's move on.
There's real contenders here.
Okay.
Yeah, listen, I'll support that.
I think that's an interesting idea.
Anyway, he was gone.
He wasn't at the debate.
Who else?
Oh, well, so Bernie basically won.
Bernie basically won the night.
He didn't even win the debate, but he won the night because everyone who was a credible opponent to him just came out looking like shit.
And there was something really interesting to me: everybody was going after Bloomberg, and no one was going after Biden.
Like, they're just treating Biden like your fucking racist grandpa, who you don't even bother to try to debunk.
You know what I mean?
Like, you have that grandfather who's just like, you know, blacks have an extra bone in their leg.
And you're like, sure, they do, grandpa.
And then you just like keep eating.
Like, you're like, he's past the point of anyone convincing him that this isn't right.
So you just keep moving on.
Like, they were just like, okay, Joe, like, have fun.
You're done.
And Bloomberg was the one they're scared of.
And then there was, I thought, what was one of the most interesting moments I've ever seen in a debate was at the end of it, the final question they asked.
Chuck Todd asked all the candidates.
He said, if no one gets enough delegates to secure the nomination, should they give it to whoever has the most or should it go to a contested convention?
And everyone except Bernie Sanders said, go to a contested convention.
And then Bernie Sanders is like, let's go with the delegates because I think that's obviously going to be me.
And that was just, it was almost like they just went, so are we all on the same page that Bernie is the front runner?
And everyone was like, yes, we are.
We are on, which was an amazing fucking moment.
It was crazy.
It was, did you see?
I mean, I know a lot of you didn't watch it, but the awkwardness of having to say, like, Democrats who have spent three years being like, Donald Trump didn't win the popular vote, you know?
And then they go, Do you think whoever wins the most votes should win?
And they all have to go, well, you know, the process has to play itself out, and we'll see how the process, the process, is the process.
They said process so many times.
Like, I think in 30 seconds, they said it 17 times.
The process is the process, and that's process.
Process.
And, like, okay, that seems like, yeah, yeah, trust the process.
I'm like, yeah, well, the process got you, Trump.
So have fun with that process.
But it was an amazing moment.
It was like they all conceded that, and I really do think there's something like the Democratic.
So I was talking, I was on Kennedy last night with Judge Napolitana, who was guest hosting.
Kennedy was out.
Yes, the great Judge Napolitana, who still has three fans left in a part of the problem crowd.
But I love the judge.
He's a great person and he's brilliant.
And so I was there, and one of the women on the panel was the former spokeswoman for John Kerry.
I'm not going to say what her name is because I don't remember, but she really wanted to swing that like I was just being a nice guy, but I swear to God, I'm blanking on her name.
But she was the head spokeswoman for the State Department when John Kerry was the Secretary of State.
And I reminded her four times in the green room that John Kerry created ISIS.
Anyway, she didn't say, I swear to God, I did.
It's a true statement.
I kept going, remember when your boss sent all those weapons to ISIS?
That was stupid.
And she was like, well, I don't know if we sent weapons to ISIS.
I go, well, you sent weapons and where did they end up?
And even she was like, ISIS.
Why does the State Department need a spokesperson?
I don't know.
Spin their bullshit.
It is.
It's weird.
She was a press secretary, I believe.
So when they come, you know, Kerry doesn't want to answer questions himself.
He got in trouble because remember he put out that bluff for Syria where he was like, if you guys get rid of everything, we won't invade.
And they're like, sure, we'll just get rid of everything.
Oh, that was so beautiful.
Do you guys remember that?
John Kerry, they were like, they were asking him questions, and he just like, it was like an off-the-cuff thing.
And this is when Obama was pushing for war in Syria hard.
And they were like, they were like, is there any situation that you wouldn't go to war in Syria?
And he goes, well, I guess if like Assad were to turn over all of his chemical weapons to the international community, you know, and fuck and let inspectors in, then fine, then we wouldn't go to war.
And Assad went, good deal.
And he turned over all his chemical weapons and let inspectors in.
And then they were like, well, I guess we're not going to war now.
You know, John Kerry went back to some furious bankers that night who were like, what the fuck did you just do?
You know how much money we could have made off that war?
And he was like, I was just fucking, I don't know.
I didn't think he was going to do it.
And they're like, of course he's going to do it.
We were going to kill him.
That's how this lady ended up with the job.
I guess before that, there probably weren't press secretaries.
Yeah, they were like, someone else needs to answer these questions.
That's our.
But so anyway, after I reminded her, or in between, I reminded her of John Kerry arming ISIS, I was talking to her, and she's like a real establishment Democrat.
And I remember I was doing these Fox News gigs in 2016 when Trump was running.
And it's like the same thing.
It's the same exact thing they're going through with Bernie Sanders right now.
Like they're slowly realizing that this guy just took over your party and that you're out and there's nothing you can fucking do.
There's nothing you can do.
And it's slowly dawning on them.
Like it was so obvious to everyone who's outside of this weird system a while ago.
It's like, who do you think is going to win?
You know, whose race is that?
Whose party is this?
Joe Biden or Bernie Sanders?
It's like, I don't know, is it the guy with 20,000 young people screaming their heads off, throwing their panties at him?
Or the one that never touched.
Right.
Or is it the guy who's fucking approaching you from behind with a wet nose like a dog?
Is that the guy who's probably going to be your nominee?
I don't know.
It could be either one, you know?
Who do you think the odds favor in this matchup?
But she's sitting there and I'm like, who do you think can win this thing?
And she's like, you know, I think Bloomberg maybe still has a shot.
And it's like, you're so desperate that you're looking for a fucking billionaire Republican to be your guy.
Like, that's how much you can't stand that Bernie Sanders is taking this shit from you.
Appeasing The Bernie Bros00:09:39
And there's just something amazing about it.
And I was saying to her, I was like, she goes, well, I think Bernie Sanders is going to have a really tough time, you know, getting moderate Democrats to support him.
And I was like, okay, how about Michael Bloomberg got to throw the blacks up against the wall?
How's he going to appeal to the woke left?
Like, how's that going to work out for you?
And she goes, it's probably going to be a struggle.
And I was like, okay, you're coming around slowly.
And then she was like, it might go to the convention.
And they, you know, basically, I mean, she didn't say this, but she was like, they could just take it from him at the convention.
Which, if you remember, this is one of my favorite moments in the history of politics was when they were talking about Donald Trump in 2016.
And the Republicans started saying this.
They were flirting with the idea of we're going to change the rules at the convention and take the nomination away from Donald Trump.
And say whatever you want to about Donald Trump.
You know, you say he's an idiot or whatever, but he's got a real like instinct, like a genius political instinct.
Okay?
Like Donald Trump, there's something fucking to him.
Don't downplay his thing.
Like you can, it's easy to look at him and be like, he's a buffoon, but this is a guy who, you know, ran a billion-dollar company and then he wrote a book and it was like a number one bestseller.
And then he had a TV show and it was the number one show in television.
And then he dipped his toe into politics and on his first try became president of the United States of America.
And then I know like people, you know, who are like, Donald Trump's an idiot.
And I'm like, dude, you make $22,000 a year.
Show a little bit of respect.
You know, he's doing a little better than you.
But so they were flirting with changing the rules and taking it away from Donald Trump.
And do you remember what Donald Trump said?
Yes, that's it.
There'll be riots in the streets.
That was Donald Trump's, that is how he checkmated the system.
Like he was like...
I was just gonna, with Bernie, he'll be fucking dance circles or something, you know?
Bernie was like, there will be hacky sack in the streets.
But there was a second gay parade.
But the Trump thing was real.
It was like, okay, you have like bankers and think tanks and the CIA and like all these other things.
He's like, you know what I have?
I have fucking furious men by the millions.
And yeah, with guns.
With guns.
And Donald Trump always courts the tough people.
You ever notice that?
Like whoever the tough group is, he always goes for them.
Like remember when you talk about cops and he would be like, you know, the problem is when you push their head down before they get in the car.
Slam them into the car.
Yeah, cops.
What are you guys?
Tough with guns?
I love you.
You know, and then play the military.
It'd always be like miners and like roofers, like everyone who's fucking tough.
Donald Trump like courts them.
And then basically the RNC was like, holy shit, Donald Trump has all the tough men and like Jeb Bush has all the nerds.
We're not going to win this fight.
And they just backed off and they fucking gave it to him.
And now Bernie is like, the question is going to be, is Bernie gonna really be able, you know, like, does he have the balls to fucking be like, my people will fucking riot.
Now, like, as Rob pointed out, it'll be a different riot, more colorful than the last.
But he could fucking take this shit.
And if he does, what a wonderful world we live in, where it's going to be Bernie Sanders versus Donald Trump.
And then here's what you're going to watch.
Because Donald Trump has long been compromised.
And I know a lot of people who listen to the show don't like that.
They're like Trump supporters.
But whether he's like in on it or not, I don't fucking know.
But everyone's gotten what they fucking want out of Donald Trump.
There was no revolution.
That swamp isn't fucking drained.
It's as swampy as ever.
I still don't have a wall.
That's the bullshit.
Yeah.
Rob actually lost a wall.
His apartment is now wide open.
That's how bad Trump's done for Rob Bernstein since he's been in.
He took wall from Rob.
But here's what you're going to see.
The same way you saw a lot of establishment Republicans go and fucking support Hillary Clinton.
You're going to see the opposite now.
You're going to see a whole bunch of establishment fucking Democrats go and support Donald Trump.
Because as crazy as Donald Trump is, now they got four years like, okay, swamp's still intact.
And Bernie Sanders is insane enough that they're like, holy shit.
Here's the problem, right?
Obviously, Bernie Sanders sucks.
He's a socialist.
I'm not a fan at all.
But Bernie Sanders actually believes half the shit that he spews out of his mouth.
And that's not what politicians are supposed to do.
Like, they're not supposed to believe any of the stuff they say.
And then he's like, everyone should have health care.
And there's like these fucking billionaires that are like, this motherfucker actually means that.
And they're like, that's a no-go.
I don't think that's okay.
And so I just think it's going to be a fucking shit show.
And it's going to be a lot of fun to watch.
And hopefully Michael Bloomberg loses $2 trillion in the process.
I don't know.
At least we have some entertainment.
And if not, if they take it from him at the convention, I'll tell you, that'll be fun too.
Because there will be, that convention will be a fucking shit show.
Do you remember the 2016 Democratic National Convention?
Like how that went down?
So basically what happened was this got like very underreported.
But day one of the convention was Bernie Sanders night.
Like Bernie Sanders spoke and all his people were there.
And they were at the Democratic National Convention 2016.
Every time Hillary Clinton's name was mentioned, they were booing.
They were fucking booing her.
And do you remember this?
Sarah Silverman came up and she was a Bernie Sanders supporter, but even she was like, you know, the Bernie or bust people are being ridiculous.
You guys got to grow up because they kept booing Hillary Clinton.
And that's not great optics at your own convention when you're running for president to be getting booed, you know?
And Hillary Clinton always has the best optics.
So this was a big change for her.
By the way, Hillary Clinton sucks so much that they had a hole.
And they admitted this, by the way.
This wasn't like, this isn't a conspiracy theory.
They admitted that the goal of the Democratic National Convention was to, quote, humanize Hillary Clinton.
Like, how terrible of a candidate are you when you've been in the public eye for 40 years and they're like, we're still not convinced that you're a human.
And then they were like, we got to work on that aspect.
And then every speech would be, you know, like, like, you know, Bill Clinton would be like, I fell in love with Hillary 40 years ago, just like humans do.
And, like, it was always like a loose attempt to convince you that she's a normal person.
And, you know, Chelsea was like, she always finds time to Skype with her grandchildren.
Which, by the way, they really missed on that.
That's not what humans do.
Like, humans see their grandchildren in person.
But Skyping with your grandchildren actually came off a lot more robotic.
But anyway, I digress.
So it's Bernie Sanders night.
And they're booing Hillary Clinton.
Sarah Silverman goes, you Bernie or bus people are being ridiculous.
They boo the shit out of her.
She gets booed off stage.
Like, this is weird.
This never happens.
Conventions are like rah-rah fests.
You know what I mean?
Everybody cheers for the people there.
They booed him the fuck offstage, or her offstage.
She got, I think Al Franken was with her.
They booed him off.
They get offstage.
And it was like, oh my God, this is going to be a disaster for Hillary Clinton.
And then enter Michelle Obama.
And Michelle Obama came out and all those Bernie bros were booing and booing.
But you know, they're like left-wing beta males.
So then they saw a black chick and they were like, I don't think we're allowed to boo her.
And Michelle Obama came up and I will say gave the most beautiful fucking speech that she's ever given in her life.
I'm convinced Barack wrote it because I've seen her give speeches before and she sucks balls.
But all of a sudden she had this great fucking speech written and it was beautiful.
It really was a beautiful speech.
And she ended on this thing about how slaves built the White House and she woke up every morning and saw her two black daughters playing in the White House lawn and how far we could.
Yeah, and there's like, and then I saw him kick a white guy right in the ball.
But it was beautiful.
And it won over the fucking crowd and it calmed it all down.
And then it was like, that was it.
Like it appeased the Bernie bros.
And then the next night, the Hillary Clinton people were like, if anyone has any, if anyone even looks like they support Bernie Sanders, do not let them into this motherfucker.
And they controlled it from there on out.
But this year, after screwing him over in 2016, if they fucking try to screw him over again in 2020, I don't think they have any Michelle Obamas up their sleeves.
And these Bernie people are going to be fucking booing the shit.
Calling Out Nazis00:15:17
It's going to, my point is it's going to be glorious to watch it all fall apart.
And then Jacob Hornberger swipes in and steals the presidency.
That's our plan so far.
That's my plan.
I don't know.
I don't know if that last part will happen, but I'm pretty sure the beginning of it has got a pretty good fucking shot.
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So, what else did we want to talk about?
We wanted to talk about our old friend Roger Stone, right?
So, Roger Stone, you guys familiar?
He was a guest on part of the problem.
I got to talk to him for a little while, and he is an interesting guy, odd fellow.
He's like a fucking political operative who I think openly participates in orgies and shit like that.
Like, he's a very, very strange guy, but he's very, all right, one fucking guy.
Something about one lone guy wooing for an orgy just doesn't go.
I think, I think you need to add some people to your group before it's technically an orgy, but all right, fair enough.
And I remember I asked him, and this is before he had been indicted or anything like that, but it was at the beginning of the Mueller investigation when he was on the show.
And I asked him at one point, like, I tried to have a human moment with Roger Stone, which I'm not sure that he does that very well.
But he asked him, What do you, like, are you scared?
Because you got like some serious enemies right now.
Like, you got a special prosecutor who's like on your ass.
The CIA, the NSA, the FBI, these motherfuckers hate you.
Like, you're in the crosshairs of the most powerful people in the world.
Isn't that scary?
And he goes, I don't fear other people.
I put fear into other people.
And I remember.
He shot himself.
That's what happened.
I remember.
I was just producing at the time and I was like, man, we're stuck in the room with this fucker.
This is gross.
Yeah, the line was badass for like half a second.
And then you're like, what's that smell?
And you're like, all right.
But now he's fucking, he's going to jail.
He was so sure he was going to win that.
Yeah.
Yeah, you think Trump's going to pardon him?
Maybe.
He can't pardon him until after the election, I'd imagine, right?
He's not going to fucking pardon him now.
That'll be a nice fucking talking point for them.
So Roger Stone still has to make it, what, fucking another, how many months we got here?
Still eight months in fucking prison?
He likes orgies, so he'll be fine.
I don't think he likes those type of orgies, Rob.
I don't know.
It's a whole different thing.
Can you just, my, can you imagine, like, in like a tough prison?
Like, fucking, you just picture like something out of a movie, like some guy named T-Bone and shit, and then fucking Roger Stone walks in.
Do they let him?
Do they let him keep his penguin costume?
I don't know.
There's no way he goes to real prison.
Where's Mana for now?
He's at like one of the tennis clubs.
Is he?
I don't know.
He's at legit prison.
Isn't it a fucking, isn't it, doesn't it just expose the whole fucking system that lying to Congress is a crime?
That you can't lie to the biggest bunch of liars in the world.
Like if they're like, they actually have the nerve to be like, we really look down on that thing and that sort of thing here.
Lying?
Like, we value honesty more than anything else.
Like, they're supposed, they claim they're the servants and we're their bosses.
Who the fuck isn't allowed to lie to your servant?
I thought that was the whole point of having a servant.
I can tell them whatever the fuck I want to tell them.
Like, before I answer that question, how's balancing the budget going?
And then they fuck it, you know, all the people who have lied, who don't fucking end up going to jail.
It's just, it's crazy.
And he's also like a fucking, is he 70?
I think he's old.
He's in his 60s at least.
He might be in his 70s even, but he's something close to that.
And he's like a grandfather and shit.
And he lied to Congress.
And now they're going to take him and throw him in a fucking cage.
That's the system we live in.
And the fucking lefties, the people who are supposed to have the bleeding hearts and we care about all this shit, these bloodthirsty monsters are like, good.
Throw him in that fucking cage.
They SWAT team rated him.
Roger Stone.
They swat team like he was a threat to somebody.
They're like, fucking, you imagine breaking into Roger Stone's home.
He's in his underwear and a fedora.
Like, what the fuck is going on here?
FBI breaking in?
Like, freeze, you know, sound grenade.
Yeah, right, right.
He was going to fucking get away from there.
Watch out with that Black Guns Matter shit.
Some Bernie bro might attack you outside, sir.
That's a racist shirt.
What?
Does anyone know what happened with that fucking thing, by the way?
No, with the guy, wasn't there a guy at a Bernie rally who got in a fist fight with someone because he was wearing a Black Guns Matter shirt?
And they thought it was racist to say black guns matter?
How would you even perceive that as being racist?
Some of my guns are black.
Some of my best guns.
Some of my best guns are black.
I hang out with guns that are black all the time.
I mean, you know.
My brother married a black gun.
I don't know why you're talking about that.
Just fucking weird excuses.
Black guns matter.
Like, fuck you.
We love black people, and that's why we want them disarmed and weak.
Anyway, so it's sad to see the fucking Roger Stone thing go down.
And then you see, and there's so much shadiness from the very beginning, from the crime being bullshit to the fact that there's like fucking pictures of the fucking judge and the jury like giving Obama a hand job and shit.
I don't know.
I'm not following it closely, but it was something like that.
And anyway, I hope Trump does pardon him.
I hope he pardons him, and I hope he pardons Flynn too.
And Flynn probably, like, he's a military guy, so he probably should be in jail for some other shit.
I don't know.
Like, probably murdered a bunch of children.
So maybe I shouldn't root for his pardon, but they did him dirty.
They did him.
That's just such a dirty way to get somebody.
The FBI came over and they were like, hey, bro, let's chat.
You know?
And he was like, do I need a lawyer?
And they're like, lawyer.
Needs a lawyer.
Like, we're not interested in you.
And they're, you know, like, and then they just got him on some bullshit lie.
Anyway, the message is don't talk to Congress or the FBI.
Just don't talk to any of them.
I'll be honest, I don't think they want to talk to any of you, but don't talk to them if they do.
Everyone talk to you.
Fucking.
The crazier side of that story is that the Democrats, you've all seen in the news, are talking about how we live in this authoritative state now where Trump is intervening in the Justice Department and Bill Barr has to step down.
And they're completely missing the story that you had Manafort and Yet Stone.
They've been in government forever.
And then all of a sudden they help an outsider get in and the system turns against him.
It's no different than when you see in China someone goes down for corruption.
No, just the state turned against him.
They're all fucking corrupt.
And that's exactly what's happening here.
And then they make this like crazy claim that, oh, we really got to change something here because Trump's becoming...
It's like, no, that's what's backwards here.
It's the deep state that's been working against us.
And they're just going to take out anyone who, you know, that's how you never end up with an outsider.
You should help me out here.
But you get what I'm saying.
Oh, I was fucking, I was learning something right there.
Preach.
Preach, Robbie the Fire.
Well, this is...
We stopped for a cheesesteak on the way here.
We already got a sandwich.
Oh, see, this is the fucking thing.
They go where?
And now no matter what I say, half of you stupid Phillies fucking people are going to hate me because we went to Pats and I know now all the Genos people, see, they're like, my grandfather built Genos from the ground.
It's listen.
Do you see how you fucking trigger these people in Philly?
Listen, I'm such a peacekeeper.
When I showed up, I said, let's eat both.
That's what I said.
I said we can live in a country where sandwich shops are equal and you can have two lunches at once.
That's what I'm saying.
Yeah, and I said, I'm sorry, Rob.
I'm not taking a three-hour drive home with your two cheesesteaks farts stinking up the whole goddamn car.
We can choose a place and get cheesesteaks there and then come back.
I know.
I'm sorry.
I knew whatever answer I gave was going to offend half of the room.
I know fucking Philly people, okay?
I know.
If you're cut, you bleed wawa or whatever.
I know the fucking deal.
Some of my best friends are from Philly.
By the way, coincidence.
They're all garbage.
But just happens to be a coincidence.
All absolute garbage people.
But, you know, I'm sure that.
Cowboys suck.
There.
Sure.
No problem.
So anyway, Roger Stone.
But you are right, Rob.
You are right.
And here's, okay, so here's what I love about the Bernie Sanders moment that we're having here.
Because this is the only hope that I see right now.
Is that, like, did you guys see, I was talking about this a couple podcasts ago.
Did you see when Chuck Todd called Bernie Sanders supporters Nazis?
That's a beautiful, beautiful moment.
Because my guess is going to be that a whole lot of you in this room have heard the term Nazi or Nazi apologist or something like, you know, because you're like, if you're like against universal health care, that makes you a Nazi now.
And then you do the dumb thing where you're like, you know, the Nazis had universal health care.
And they're like, that's what a Nazi would say.
Like, there's no reasoning with these people, okay?
Don't even attempt to prove to them, like, at a certain point, you just have to like go like, I know, right?
We're all undercover now.
But.
So everybody gets called, like, you know, people call, I've been called a Nazi on Twitter, and I'm like, I am a Jewish anarchist.
And they're like, that's exactly who the Nazis would pick.
You know, like, they can't be dissuaded of their Nazi talking point.
And so, but now the Bernie bros are getting it.
Like, you're a fucking Nazi too.
Oh, look at that.
Isn't that amazing?
You guys can, because, and a lot of them are fucking hypocrites because they were in on that shit too, right?
Like, they were calling people Nazis.
But here's my advice.
Don't even throw it in their face right now.
Don't even throw it.
Just let them sit there and if anything, go like, isn't that so unfair that you would call someone a Nazi just because you disagree with them?
Right?
Well, right.
But I'm saying, but use this as a moment to just be like, hey, isn't that crazy that CNN, or sorry, in this case, MSNBC, will call you a Nazi just because you support a candidate who's not the candidate that they like.
That seems really unfair, you know?
And let them sit in that.
See, here's all I want, this is what I want them to realize, right?
Is that the shit Rob was saying about how the deep state and all those guys in the media turned on Trump, now they're all turning on Bernie too.
And that's a moment for a lot of left-wing people.
Look, there's a lot of left-wing people who might be teetering on supporting Bernie or not.
Maybe like Elizabeth Warren supporters type people, you know?
And they may have gone with Warren or like Mayor Pete or someone like that over Bernie, but even they might see where they go, I don't really think Bernie supporters are Nazis.
You know what I mean?
And then they can be like, wow, that's a little fucked up that because this guy's winning, now the whole system turns against him.
Because at this point, all you can fucking hope for is that everyone starts seeing.
Like, look, I don't know if I could convince everyone to be a fucking anarcho-capitalist.
Half my fucking audience to this show, I haven't even been able to convince to be anarcho-capitalist.
I'm still getting, I've been doing this show for fucking eight years, and I still get a question about how the fucking, you know, like, how would we get roads to Wawa or whatever in an ANCAT society?
There's still like these little thing, you know.
And like, okay, fine.
So maybe I can't convince you to be an ANCA, but this is how I've built my fucking audience at this show, is that I can convince you beyond a shadow of a doubt that this whole system is fucking bullshit.
That's what I can fucking convince you of for sure.
I can prosecute that case to a point that you can't even question it.
That's kind of my niche.
That's what I figured out.
Here's the secret to my fucking success is I can just fucking play CNN and be like, they're obviously full of shit.
And like that, so that's the beautiful moment is that maybe some of these Bernie supporters are fucking realizing that.
And once you realize that the whole system is full of shit, maybe the next step would be, hey, why don't you try to achieve all your goals without going through the fucking system?
And what's really more the system than the federal government.
So maybe if, you know, they're never going to give you universal health care.
All I'm saying is there will be opportunities with a Bernie Sanders nomination and even a Bernie Sanders presidency.
Like once fucking Bernie Sanders gets in, he's not going to fucking pass any of this shit that he's fucking running on.
Because we don't, and this is a thing a lot of right-wingers and libertarians get wrong a lot too.
We don't live in a socialist society.
I know a lot of people think that it's like some secret communist plot or something like that.
None of that shit's happening.
We don't live in a socialist country.
We don't live in a communist country.
We live in a fucking fascist corporatist country.
That's the game.
They don't fucking want socialism.
That's the fucking enemy of fascism.
They'd fucking fight a war to make sure.
We think Hillary Clinton wants redistribution of fucking wealth or something like that on any real scale.
They claim they're for that and then they have a state that redistributes more wealth to them.
Living In A Fascist Country00:03:47
You know what I'm saying?
Like it's not.
So they fight for fucking big business.
That's what it's all about, the state-big business partnership.
And these guys fucking scare them.
So just all I'll say is just don't take this moment to shit on fucking Bernie Sanders.
Once he gets the nomination, go for it.
But for the next few weeks, root hard for the Democratic establishment to fucking collapse because that is good for all of us.
If there's nothing else, I'll say, look, the fucking, this is, this is why, and I didn't vote for him or anything like that, but this is why I rooted for Trump to beat Jeb Bush because however you feel about politics, the Bush family dynasty deserved to die.
Like they deserve to fucking die.
And I mean, not literally for any feds that are watching, but if there are no feds, literally.
I mean, literally, they deserve to fucking die.
Like after a trial or something.
But I want to teeter right on the edge of not going to jail.
But, and the same way the fucking Democratic establishment, they all fucking deserve, they all deserve to fucking be destroyed too.
So it's a cool moment, and we'll see what happens with that.
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And, you know, with that, I think we'll take some questions.
Hell yeah.
Do you want to do that?
Anyone want to ask me or Robbie the Fire Bernstein a question?
Raise your hand, Robbie.
Are you going to go to that?
I'll grab that mic.
I'll go to them.
Oh, there's a cordless?
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, very good.
Beautiful.
Do you want a drink?
First question.
It was a good one.
Yes.
Yes, I do.
Let me do like an IPA.
Did you just say IPA?
I did.
You did.
I'm going to fuck this guy later tonight.
That was pretty incredible.
That guy just looked right into my soul.
It was like he heard from him.
Can you tell me anything else about myself?
Remember that time in third grade when Casey Sheska called you ugly?
Like, what?
If she's listening, by the way, that's a real story about a real girl in third grade.
All right.
Oh, thank you, sir.
I appreciate that.
Wow, this question and answer segment is going awesome so far.
Cheers, everybody.
Cheers.
Thank you guys so much for coming out.
Long live the Meekhawks.
All right.
What do we got?
Who wants to ask a question?
This gentleman right here in the LOSFN shirt.
I feel like Price is right walking around with this thing.
Cultural Lessons For Libertarians00:15:27
Who are you tonight?
Are you willing to make a prediction on the Democratic National Convention?
On the convention?
Oh, well, look, I mean, okay, if I had to make a prediction right now, Bernie Sanders takes over the fucking party and he's their nominee.
It's not, now, I don't know because the question is: will the Democrats just destroy their party to keep Bernie Sanders out?
Which would be good too, because that destroys them.
Right now, I'm guessing that they will try, they will try, they'll let him have the nomination, sabotage him, take four more years of Trump, and try to come back.
Because that is, if I'm thinking like a smart CIA sociopath, it is the smarter move to let Bernie have the nomination, go, hey, we gave you your Democratic socialist, and he lost.
You see, that's why we can't have Democratic socialism than to go and fucking take it from him and give it to what a billionaire Republican.
They're very good at not exposing themselves completely.
And they have a lot of different techniques for how to box people in and control them, right?
Like the big reason why they were against Donald Trump, and I know I say this all the time on the show, but it's like all the people, everyone, even anyone here, anyone on the staff or anything like that who hates Donald Trump, I understand why you hate Donald Trump.
Hate Donald Trump all fucking day long.
I hate Donald Trump for a lot of different reasons.
Just understand this.
The CIA does not hate Donald Trump for the same reason you hate Donald Trump, okay?
The CIA isn't like, he said mean things on Twitter.
You know what I mean?
Like, these are people who will starve brown babies to death.
They don't care if he's racist.
What they hated Donald Trump for was that Donald Trump got up on the campaign and said, you know, why do we fight all these wars in the Middle East?
We're spending trillions of dollars on this.
We're killing tons of people.
This is now Donald Trump isn't like some fucking Ron Paul humanitarian.
He didn't look at it and go, oh my God, there's like babies dying.
You know, like if you, like Ron Paul, you could just feel that from him.
That was his problem.
There are babies dying over these wars.
We have to stop this.
Like, I'm a Christian.
This is my calling in life.
Donald Trump came in and went, This is bad business.
That was his angle.
He goes, We're spending trillions.
We don't even get anything for it.
Do we get oil?
I mean, what do we even get for all that?
You know, like that was his angle.
But he still said, Wouldn't it be nice if we could work with Russia, end all these wars, and just have peace with Russia?
Like, what's bad?
And then we could spend all that money back here.
That was like his business sense, you know?
Which doesn't, it doesn't take a genius to figure that out that that's better business.
And they hated that.
But so even after he got in, well, how did they fucking box him in?
Well, every day for two straight years, all you heard in the media was Trump-Russia collusion.
So go try to make a deal with Russia now, right?
See, all these people think the Mueller investigation failed.
It didn't.
It succeeded.
They got what they want.
They boxed him in to a point where he couldn't possibly make a deal with Russia because if he did, they'd go, there's the proof.
He colluded with Russia, and now he's fucking making a deal with them.
So that's, and they have a million ways to box Bernie Sanders in if he fucking wins.
So that's my guess.
He will win.
They'll realize that's the better play and they'll fucking let him in.
All right, next question.
I saw on the way over here that Michael Bloomberg agreed to let three women out of the non-disclosures.
Yeah, I saw that.
Do you think he's actually having people give him this advice or is he just crazy like Trump and like throwing shit out there on Twitter and a tweet?
Because he sounds like an absolute fool.
Yeah.
He didn't just sound like a fool.
I mean, he was so bad.
Like he was like timid and smug at the same time, which I didn't even know you could be both of those things.
You know, I always thought you had to pick one of the other.
No, I think he's got some campaign advisors who are like, dude, in this me too world we live in, this is a death blow to what you answered at that debate.
And so you have to do something.
And he went, well, maybe there's these three chicks who, you know, is probably the least worst of the offenses.
Maybe he can throw money under the table or something like that.
Like maybe, you know, I don't really know.
I don't know.
Listen, I will say I'm somewhat sympathetic on that in that stuff because I don't know.
You know, it's a weird situation, right?
It's like when if there's like a chick on a college campus who goes, I was date raped, that could mean anything from literally the most horrific thing you could imagine happened to me to I got drunk and hooked up with a guy and didn't feel good about it the next day.
And you just have no way of knowing what that actually means.
So what actually happened with these women, who knows?
But I think this is just a political attempt to, you know, control the situation and probably won't work.
That'd be my guess.
If he's cherry picking three of them, it's going to be the three ladies who are like, no, he just wanted to give me extra money and wanted me to sign this.
Yeah.
I'll be like, I'll let three women speak and I'll choose them randomly.
My mom, my wife, and her best friend.
He could have handled that so much better.
I know someone should just hire me to help him with their campaigns, but I would have just been like, I'm rich, I'm a successful guy, and sometimes when you become as powerful as I do, people come after you.
And what you do is you just pay to make it go away.
And I never did anything wrong, but why do we have to dig through the trash?
I'm wealthful.
I'm wealthy.
I'm successful.
I'm going to help you guys out.
So let's move on.
Isn't that what would been it?
Isn't it fucking disturbing that Rob Bernstein just gave a better answer than Michael Bloomberg?
Thank you.
Did it his debate?
Available for hire.
I'm actually shaken to my core that that was a substantially better answer than what he was able to give.
His was like, well, they signed it, so, you know, I got what I was looking for.
Why would we go back and look at that?
Yeah, wow.
He really, you, I swear to God, Rob should be available for hire.
Yeah.
His fucking strategist.
And he'll work for cheap.
Trust me.
All right.
Who's got the next question?
Now we'll go over here.
Young lady in the back.
Hi.
Hey.
I want to know, do you think that the Libertarian Party will ever learn their cultural lesson, especially in light of the tweet about the Ohio State incident with Caitlin Bennett?
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
So, by the way, I mean, I so did not even care to comment on that fucking situation until the Libertarian Party had to send out that dumbass fucking tweet.
And now that I'm like a member of the party and I'm like one of the biggest recruiters and stuff and like all that, it's like I almost feel this obligation to, when they say something that retarded, to be like, hey, this is not what we're for.
You know, now I don't know.
I really don't know.
So they say, okay, so this Caitlin Bennett chick, I don't know anything about her except that she was the Kenn State gun girl.
That's all I know about her.
And I think she's associated with that Liberty Hangout page.
And I only really know about them because I think like a year ago, they put me on a top 10 list of like most influential libertarians.
And so I was like, well, these guys seem awesome.
You know, they have great tastes.
I can tell you that much right now.
And I know TJ who used to work there, who like I hung out with at the Mises Institute and stuff.
And he's a good guy.
And so I don't really know that much about him.
And a lot of people tell me like they suck and she sucks.
And it's like, I don't know, man, whatever.
Okay.
So maybe they do.
So stop following them or something.
I don't care.
But she does this thing where she goes to college campuses and she does try to like create these like, you know, kind of like potentially viral videos.
You know, she'll ask these lefties questions and whatever.
It's not my thing to do that, but there's room for that.
And I would, I think there is some value.
Now, for anyone listening who's like, well, she's horrible because X, Y, Z, fine.
I'm saying I don't know and I don't care.
Like whatever.
I'm not looking at her like she is the person.
I don't know her.
But there was this fucking video of like a mob of college students.
I mean, I don't know.
I watched the video, like a few hundred college students surrounding her, screaming in her face, throwing drinks and toilet paper at her.
They fucking blocked her entrance to her car for a bit, screaming in her fucking face.
And then when she got in the car, they just pegged drinks at the car and wouldn't let the car move for a while.
That's all the video shows.
And the fucking Libertarian Party, like, I don't know who tweeted this out.
It was Sarwak.
But I don't know.
It could have been anyone from Nick Sarwalk to Sarwalk to Nick Sarwalk's assistant following directions from Nick Sarwalk.
But so he tweets out, like, you have a right to go say your, something along the lines of, you have a right to go say your piece, but they also have the freedom of assembly and protest or something like that.
And like, come on, man.
I mean, this is just like too fucking outrageous for me.
Now, feel however you feel about her.
This is a young woman who's being assaulted, intimidated, and having her property vandalized by a mob for the Libertarian Party.
I have no problem if they say nothing.
They don't have to fucking defend her, but don't come out and defend these fucking outrageous college students, these fucking privileged fucks.
You're at a fucking college in a first world country, and this is how you fucking act to a young woman who, why?
Because she asks questions you don't like?
I mean, like, I'm sorry, get the fuck out of it.
So they said that, and, you know, I tweeted back, just being like, this is insane.
And then I argued with a whole bunch of supposed libertarians who were telling me that throwing a drink at somebody is not an assault, which just legally they're wrong.
Like, I mean, like, it's depending on the state, it's assault or battery.
But yeah, it's worse than assault in many states.
But, yeah, like, what?
You think you can just throw drinks at people?
And then I was just like arguing with some really dumb people on Twitter.
And I hate to say that, but like really dumb arguments where they were like, oh, they threw a drink.
So should kids get arrested every time they have a water balloon fight or something like that?
And you're like, well, I mean, if you walk down the street and just peg some lady with a water balloon, yeah, that might be a little bit of an issue.
Like, do you really want to live in a world where you're just allowed to throw your drink at somebody?
Like, of course not.
And, you know, I mean, if somebody threw a drink at my wife, I would, I mean, I would beat them unrecognizable.
So I don't know, like, what, how you think this is okay.
Bless you.
And anyway, so, but your question about the Libertarian Party, you know, it doesn't change anything about the reflection.
The Libertarian Party is what it is right now.
That's the whole reason the Mecox exists because, you know, certain people need to fucking go.
Won't name any names.
And, you know, it's, and the whole process from the beginning, at least as I understand it, Michael can correct me if I'm wrong.
But the whole process is that it is, you have the third biggest political party in the country with ballot access on 50 states with a lot of infrastructure.
It bears the name libertarian, and they claim to stand for the non-aggression principle.
That's worth fighting to make something out of.
And so, yeah, it sucks.
There are aspects of it that suck right now, but I think it's worth fighting for.
Like, it's not like we have a lot of other options in town.
You know, they're the only game.
So that's worth it.
As far as the Libertarian Party learning their cultural lesson, I don't think they have to.
Like, I don't, you know, everything I've been saying about like learning my cultural lesson is like what libertarians, I think, need to realize is that there is the legal political philosophy of libertarianism.
And if we stick to that, we are right about everything.
Like, we are dead on right.
But if you cross over into the cultural world and then go, and also, because legally you should have a right to do whatever you want, I also support you doing whatever you want.
That's fucking stupid.
It's a recipe for a terrible society that will never support the legal order.
And it makes this whole thing completely unmarketable.
Like, and no, but just to be clear, the Libertarian Party is concerned with the political and the legal.
They don't ever have to cross over into this cultural area.
Like, Ron Paul didn't really do that.
I mean, you knew who he was because who he was.
But Ron Paul was never out there like preaching family values.
And I don't know that that was his role to do that.
And like, you know, like, that's fine.
I know a lot of really good people who disagree with me on this stuff, and that's fine.
And the Libertarian Party, I think, should be a place for people who believe in the non-aggression principle and private property rights.
They can feel however they want to culturally.
That'd be my pick.
I'd rather have a candidate that could actually appeal to a lot of people.
That's the issue.
All right.
Next.
Okay, Mike Heiss has some side information.
About 30% of the existing.
Hold on, into the mic.
Wait for the mic.
Wait for the mic.
So to the cultural question.
These people enjoy the incumbent's advantage.
And that's pretty much all they have.
But one thing that should give us all hope is that about one-third of the existing membership of the Libertarian Party came in in 2019.
And that's when the Mecocks really started hitting their stride.
That's when you became active.
That's when Tom Woods became active.
That's when Jacob Hornberger ran.
That's when Scott Horton started doing his thing and recruiting people in.
So if there's anybody that hasn't taken the leap yet, if you want to see that cultural change, it's up to you and it's up to us.
And we can do it.
And you're not alone.
It's already underway.
And it's as simple as that.
You just got to show up.
All right.
Very good.
I'm with you, man.
That's fucking...
The prince can pitch, baby.
That was.
All right, who else has a question?
Right over here.
Yeah, you've touched upon it over the years, but I still haven't figured it out myself.
So selfishly, I'll ask your thoughts on the death penalty for murderers in a 100% private property and capped society.
I think it was Walter Block who I read, did a piece on that, where it was more or less like that would be like if the families were, you know what I mean?
Like if the family of the victim or whatever could make the decision on that, and I'm fine with that.
I mean, I'm not against like, if you almost like separate the theory, I would never support the death penalty as run by the government.
You know what I mean?
Because like, number one, I don't fucking trust them.
They're terrible.
No monopoly should have that type of fucking power because monopolies by nature are just do a bad job.
But if you're just asking me the philosophical question, should anyone ever be killed?
Like, is that ever a fair response?
I, well, like, absolutely.
I think it is.
And like, particularly just from, since having a child, I mean, if you, like, short of like murder, like, if you fucking hurt a child in a serious way, I think you need to be removed from this earth.
And I'm fine with that.
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Anything else?
Just come over here.
Hey, obviously, gambling is as libertarian as it gets.
So what are your thoughts on the state-run lottery system?
Well, I mean, sure, gambling is obviously amazing.
Do it at betdsi.com, promo code P-O-T-P.
Well, that's like, by the way, that's like, that's less of even an opinion question than just objective fact.
That's like one of the worst gambles you could possibly like fucking have.
There's like no worse gambling.
I think I might be wrong about this.
Double check it on Google, but I think slot machines play better odds than fucking than state lottos.
There's no dumber fucking bet than that.
Go gamble on something, you know, where you have like a shot.
I mean, like, I just think that's like the dumbest form of gambling.
But whatever.
I mean, you know, if they're raising money that way, I suppose it's better than fucking through taxation or something like that.
But I think it's fucking stupid.
I've played a few scratch off tickets in my day, though.
I'm not going to lie.
I don't mean to like fucking condescend, but I wouldn't advise it to anyone else.
All right, what do you got?
We'll come over here.
Sorry.
Yeah, you were saying that it was unlikely that Roger Stone was going to get pardoned before the election.
And I was wondering if you could run game theory on what was going on with the Rob Blagojevich pardon.
Oh, okay, so I don't even know, and I'm going to give Rob credit on this, but who did you say?
You said that was, who was it, McCabe?
Yeah, so Trump basically pardoned a whole bunch of people that McCabe had put away and was responsible for investigating.
I didn't get too much further in my reading than that, but it does seem like there's some real interesting shit going on there.
Yeah, there's, I mean, there definitely is a game theory explanation for that.
I don't know what it is, but there's some reason why he fucking chose that guy, right?
Because the optics of it aren't fucking great.
So there must have been something.
I don't know if they knew each other or anything like that.
I don't know what the deal is.
Oh, he was on Celebrity Apprentice.
Well, make good television.
There you fucking go.
Got to get that guy out for the ratings.
He's trying to get him back for another season.
All right, let's go to the next one because we're coming up against, oh, we still got some time.
This is for you and Robbie.
If you had like some money, if you both had to put money on it, pair knuckle boxing match, butstuff versus Klobuchar, who do you put your money on?
That is a ridiculous question.
Klobuchar would beat the shit out of Mayor Pete Buttstuff.
She has an anger inside her.
That is, like, I'm sure Mayor Pete was taught some martial arts in his CIA training, but Amy, Amy, all day, every day.
No question about that one.
I'm taking Clubber Langface too, you know?
She basically looks like a trans Pinocchio doll, so I'm not picking a fight with that angry lady.
All right, coming over here.
So I was wondering if you had thought any more about Rob's intellectual property argument when the person broke in and stole the plans for the great thing.
So I've always thought about that intellectual property argument, and it just eludes me.
Yeah, I'm so confused by it.
So I've thought...
You made me more confused by your analogy.
Okay, so I've thought about it a little bit more since, and it turns out I was right.
Which is not surprising to any of us.
Well, no, I just, look, man, I just, look, I'm a guy who, like, I'm not a fucking genius.
There are smarter people than me in this fucking, in this movement, in this room, I'm sure.
You know what I mean?
But I just, I do start from like basic principles, and I don't work off of like, you know, consequentialist arguments, because I think that takes you to a really bad place.
And if you just have that, then you basically say goodbye to morality.
You know what I mean?
Like, if you, you can say, I mean, if you just, in any sense, even if you use like a freedom argument from a consequentialist point of view, like this leads to better outcomes or something like that, you know, you could justify killing somebody and harvesting their organs to save like six other people's lives.
Like you could, you could justify any really horrendous thing with some like, this is for the greater good argument.
So the R ⁇ D and arguments like that like don't really do it for me.
I just go like, look, you can't, you, you can't claim to own an idea that you put out into the public.
And what Rob was saying, which was a really smart and interesting example, was like, oh, well, what if someone comes and breaks in and stole something from you?
You know, it's a physical property, but really the value was in the idea that was on the physical property.
But I would also think that in some ways, like if you, if someone came in and stole like your business plan from you or something like that, like if you fucking had a plan to start like a chain of restaurants or something like that, and someone stole that and fucking somehow ruined your ability to start this chain.
It's not that you own the right to open restaurants and no one else can open one, but they have, you know what I mean?
Like they've stolen from you this kind of thing.
And maybe there's something to like when you put the idea out in public that then it's kind of like public domain where if someone steals a secret from you that you were kind of guarding, maybe there's something different there.
I don't know.
I think, you know, Kinsella is the guy to look to on that.
But that would be my take.
Rob, please don't respond and ask the next question.
No, I'm just kidding.
You can respond.
I'll come down the line.
Thank you.
All right, I got two questions.
One's real quick.
What do you like most about Michael Malis?
Nothing.
Not one redeeming quality on that guy.
I like, I fucking, I, you know, there's a million things I like about Michael Malice, but most is I just, I like funny people.
And Michael's hilarious.
Everett stole his look.
That's not, that's not my least favorite thing about him, for sure.
Okay.
And my second question is, last week I was listening to Stapleton and he actually, I don't know if you heard it, but he did call you, not call you out.
He mentioned you in name and was very complimentary and he was talking about how to advance the liberty movement and he was talking about how a lot of people will talk about philosophy and whatnot and how to advance it.
But his point was that the best way to advance it is by living it yourself.
And while I think that you do agree with that, what do you say to that?
Like, what is the best way to advance the liberal movement?
All right.
Well, I did, I listened to it because somebody posted it in my private Facebook group.
And so I listened to it.
And I was like, I'm not going to respond to it.
But now I will.
No, it's fine.
I'm not going to fucking not answer if I'm asked the question.
So let me say it like this.
I was a little bit offended and insulted by what he said.
And he was respectful toward me, but he was very disrespectful, I thought, toward my audience, which I thought was a kind of shitty thing to do.
And by the way, you remember when that whole thing with him and Mance went down?
He was offended because Mance insulted his audience.
And then he went on this whole thing about that.
So it's like, all right, dude, you know, he's going to sit here and say, I attracted this big audience of like terrible people who aren't doing anything with their lives or something.
And look, let me just preface this by saying, because I do, I really, I like Jason.
I think he's great.
From listening to the podcast, I can say I don't think he's as great as he thinks he is.
But I think he's great.
Jason was really, really cool to me when I was first building my show.
And I'm grateful for that and everything.
But, you know, I just thought it was kind of disrespectful to be taking shots at my audience.
I thought he was wrong.
Like, I think that there is a segment of my audience.
But it's like a thing, like, if you have a podcast that gets like 100,000 downloads an episode, and then Jason Stapleton maybe gets like 12 people on Twitter who are shitty to him, who are listeners of mine, and take like personal shots at him.
He's like, see, his audience is all a bunch of.
And you're like, dude, this is like the tiniest fraction of my audience.
So I thought there was some of that, and that was what it was about.
But the actual arguments that he was putting forward, I just thought were bad.
And like, I remember listening when Jason Stapleton first went out to California and his like first episode, and he was like, let me tell you what I'm going to do.
I'm going to build the biggest libertarian podcast in the game.
He goes, I want 50,000 downloads an episode by the end of the year.
And like, I got that that year that he went and did that.
So it just seems weird to like take shots at me for like, okay, so you changed directions.
I'm sorry I succeeded at the plan you had originally.
You know what I mean?
And if he's going to say that, oh, okay, you know, like he basically, he was just wrong about everything.
And his co-host was wrong about everything too.
He said the whole message of my podcast is just to vote for somebody.
Like who listens to part of the problem whose takeaway from this is, well, our only hope is through the political system.
Like, what are you talking about, man?
That's like literally not what.
Now, no, I do support Hornberger, but it's like a multi-pronged strategy.
My strategy, right?
Here's my big strategy that I think is so crazy.
I think if we want to live in a libertarian society, we need more libertarians.
That's like the deep level of sophisticated strategy that I came up with.
And so I think if you want to actually move in the direction, you need more people who get this shit and believe in this shit.
And I got to say, I've done a pretty good job of bringing a lot more people in, right?
So if you want to say, well, no, that's worthless.
What you really need to do is quote Tony Robbins 20 times a day and fucking give like some self-help thing.
Like, by the way, good.
I like him.
Then that's fine.
If you're teaching people how to build wealth and influence and all that, great.
That's a great thing to do.
But you know, we got like a record number of billionaires in this country and the state's bigger than it's ever been.
So I'm not exactly convinced that teaching people how to fucking build wealth is going to do anything in this game either.
And then his fucking co-host made this point that basically Sarwalk landed a really good blow on me at the debate because I was talking about how we need to convert more people and that's all that should matter to the Libertarian Party national like political fucking nominees.
And he goes, you know, Sarwalk said at one point, it's not my job to convert people.
That's your job to convert people.
Now, I don't know how you could think that was like a good point.
First off, I never said it's Nick Sarwalk's job to convert people.
Obviously.
Have you met the man?
I don't expect him to convert a lot of people.
All right?
I do not want Nick Sarwalk to attempt to convert a lot of people.
What I was saying is that it is the job of the nominee who you're running for president to try to explain to people what libertarianism is and why you should want to support it.
Okay.
And then they basically go like, you know, it's like, well, politics is downstream from culture, which is like, that's only half true.
I don't know what to tell you.
That's only half true.
It's like, yeah, politics is downstream from culture.
You don't think politics has any effect on culture?
Really?
You think it just comes the other way?
It's just culture affecting politics.
It's never those guys shaping the fucking, like, do you know anything that the CIA has done over the last 60 years?
Do you know anything like that the political, you think that has no effect on the fucking culture?
Like, they fucking, they have a huge effect.
And if you're a libertarian, this is just, I know they go, oh, well, the Ron Paul moment is over.
Like, okay, fine.
Maybe that's a bitter pill to swallow, but maybe there's some truth to that.
The Ron Paul moment's over, but it happened.
You know what I mean?
Like, it was a guy running for president that was our last moment.
So why would you just write that off?
That's not my only strategy, but I think it would be foolish to not pursue the only one that's had any success in recent times.
And then the only other thing I'll say is that he said at one point, like a thing about how, you know, you want liberty, but what is liberty for?
Like, what's liberty leading to?
And he said something about, this is a co-host, not Jason, but he said something about, like, well, the point of liberty is to like create wealth and increase wealth.
And I just, I don't, like, I don't think that's true.
I mean, like, that's maybe some people want to do that with their lives.
But I mean, for me, like, I mean, I want to make money, you know, as much as anybody else.
But my, I would, you know, I'd rather, as I've said before, I'd rather make, you know, $100,000 a year and, you know, spend every single day with my daughter than make $10 million a year and, you know, only see her on the weekends.
So the whole point of liberty is for you to pursue meaning and purpose in whatever way you see fit.
But so that's not me.
I'm not a like, here's how to create, you know, increase your net worth guy.
But good for him.
And I think fucking my audience is a lot of fucking really great people.
And I'm sure his is too.
I'm not taking shots at him.
Huh?
All right.
Good talk.
All right.
Anyway, so that's my thing.
But I do, I like Jason a lot.
I think we got time for like two more.
Now we got, I think, 10 minutes left.
So yeah, let's do it.
Let's do a couple more.
If for some reason Jacob Hornberger doesn't get the nomination, impossible.
Who would you endorse as a second place?
And I understand I'm giving a New York Jew like a Sophie's choice kind of moment right here.
I don't have to kill Jacob, do I?
I don't know.
Yes, you do.
That's how the state works, Dave.
You know, I mean, I don't.
There is like right now no second place for me.
It's just not.
Like, it's just then I'm just, like, I don't care about just not supporting a presidential candidate this year.
And I decided a long time ago, I'm not just going to support the best one there.
I mean, that's like the same argument as this is like the logical fucking, like the logical box that I boxed Nick Sarwalk into that he just couldn't defend his way out of.
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But it's like, well, if you just have to vote for the lesser of two evils, that's the same argument for Democrats or Republicans or anything like that.
And like, so what you have to do, the only like reasonable thing is you pick a line and you go, okay, any over this line is too much for me where I can't support that guy.
And I'm not interested in supporting somebody for the Libertarian presidential nomination who I don't think can deliver the message.
And I just don't see anyone else except Hornberg.
It's not like he's my favorite guy there.
He's the only guy there that I think can actually do it in a successful way.
And like, no, you know, no disrespect to the other guys.
I think, you know, I don't really know that many of them.
I know Lincoln Chafee, who I think is really cool Democrat.
You know, like he's a pretty good Democrat.
And it's cool that he wants to come over to the Libertarian Party.
But he's not the fucking standard bearer of the Libertarian Party.
I mean, he doesn't even know what it is.
And he's anti-liberty on like six really important issues.
And as far as Adam Kokesh goes, you know, like I like Adam, but I just don't think he's going to persuade a lot of people.
All I've really seen, like, I think you have to be kind of a serious person.
And, you know, I really, I don't want to insult Adam because I do, you know, I think he was like a really great influence for a while.
But all I've seen from him recently is like going around and losing a lot of debates to alt writers.
And, you know, like kind of this kind of, it's almost like he's retreated into this goofy, you know, like he is like a cartoonish version of what all the criticisms of libertarianism is.
Like you just live in this world of abstractions and principles and can't talk about anything tangible or actually look at real results.
And I just think that's a disaster, a disaster, you know, for the current moment.
So Hornberger's my guy.
I got no second pick.
Yeah, Hornberg or bus.
There we go.
What do you got, Rob?
Let's take one last question.
One last question.
Who's the last one?
Going this guy right in the deep corner of the room.
Deep corner all the way in the back.
All right.
Did you have to give Gene CPR when you told him you were out of the atheism business?
No, he there was already, that was toward the end, and he didn't really have much of a reaction.
It was basically just what you saw on podcasts about that.
Like, I love Gene, and he's like one of my favorite people and just a brilliant economist.
I just, you know, I thought part of the disconnect in that episode was a little bit of like a generational thing.
And I think that people in Gene's generation probably, they grew up in a time with real, like a really different culture.
I don't know if they like appreciate how different the culture was when Gene grew up to today, you know?
And I could completely understand.
Like if you came up in the, like, let's say like the 1950s culture, which is a little before Gene, but just for the example, like if you came up in the 1950s culture, I could completely understand you being like, hey, you know what?
This culture is a little bit like confining and it's not really cool to minorities and gay people and like this is like really fucked up and we need to change this and people should be able to do whatever they want to.
But coming up in today's culture, it's like.
I don't know if people realize how much there are like, it's like you're not allowed to teach values to children.
Like none.
And I just think that's fucking really bad.
Like really, really bad.
And I will say, and having a kid is really what changed my mind.
And I know there are a lot of libertarians who'll say like, oh, well, you can feel that way about your kid, but you shouldn't like express this to other people, how they raise their kids or anything.
But it's like, well, why would I, wouldn't that be more of a dick move?
If I like had a kid and I was like, well, what's so important to me is that you instill some values in her.
You guys go be heathens, but like my kid has to have that.
So I just think it's like, and I think Gene may not realize the extent to which kids are being propagandized today with like some really next level crazy shit that I think a lot of times their parents aren't even aware of.
And like, again, if you're going to say, you know, as libertarians, of course, we can, you know, and I know, listen, man, I was like a left-wing guy for a long time.
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I'm like on a podcast called Legion of Skanks.
I've lived a very fucking wild life.
Like, I don't, I know, I hear it from the other perspective.
But if you're going to say as a libertarian, you know, businesses have the right to discriminate, but if we do that, if they do that, I have a right to say that you're a disgusting person, you know, you're a disgusting business and I'll never go there again.
It's like, okay, well, why do I not have a right to also say like, I don't know, maybe like J-Lo shouldn't be grabbing her pussy and pole dancing at an event that's for children.
Like, like, you know, I don't know.
Do I not have a right to say that?
That like maybe, you know, okay, sure, take control of your kids and don't watch if you don't want to.
But also maybe this is just kind of not the best thing.
And like, I definitely don't want my daughter to see that.
And I'm just, I'm just giving my take.
And the atheism thing, it's, yeah, I don't know.
That's, you know, I changed my mind on that.
So left Gene Epstein and the atheist Jewish community.
All right, that's the fucking last question.
Listen, thank you guys so much.
I appreciate very, very much you guys coming out.
I have to duck in the back for like five minutes and call my wife and check in.
And then I'm going to go downstairs and I'll take pictures, hang out, have a drink with you guys if you want to do that.
And then we'll be back up here shortly for the stand-up comedy show.