James Smith and Robbie Bernstein dissect the 2020 Democratic primary, arguing that labeling Sanders supporters as "Nazis" mirrors Trump derangement syndrome while exposing Michael Bloomberg's "Stop and Frisk" record and billion-dollar funding threat. They analyze why Clinton lost in 2016 due to Bernie voters flipping to Trump, critique Elizabeth Warren's pandering, and predict Sanders will cave on Medicare for All amidst deep state obstacles. Ultimately, the episode suggests a revolutionary moment is unlikely as establishment dynamics ensure continued polarization and potential Trump victory. [Automatically generated summary]
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Philly Fed vs National00:03:59
Fill her up.
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Here's your host, James Smith.
Halloo, hello.
Welcome, Oovriboodi, to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem.
I am the most consistent motherfucker you know.
And he is the king of the caulks, the fire.
Robbie Bernstein, what's up, brother?
Good to have you back from the slopes.
Dude, I had the best time.
Did you?
Oh, my God.
The Steamboat Comedy Guys, they put on a hell of a show.
They packed out.
They got the teens coming in.
Becoming a new regular part of the problem.
Random music.
Those good shows.
Yeah, this guy, Kyle, he puts it together and they had like a nice local comedy scene.
The local guys were funny and it's supportive.
They get in front of real crowds.
And dude, fans of the show, firstly, fans of the show came out and skied with me and that was great.
That's awesome.
Yeah, that was great because I would not have skied terrain as tough as I did if I was there alone.
Like they were taking me in the woods.
I don't know.
Then you had to look cool.
Yeah, there was a little of that, but I wouldn't have skied the woods alone.
And I was like all up in the woods with these guys.
It was great.
And then some people came out from Denver to the show just for the show, which is insane to me.
We got some great loyal fans out there.
Great loyal fans with nothing to do on Valentine's Day.
I guess not.
That's exactly the audience we've been trying to court, Rob.
Oh, well, very good.
I'm glad you had that.
Yeah, man.
It was so fun.
And Philly is sold out.
Oh, yeah.
So, all right.
Don't say I didn't warn you because I know I'm going to get people like, hey, when can I get tickets to that Philly show?
I've been telling you this was great.
And by the way, if you fucked up on the tickets, usually I fuck up everything.
I tickets for Ween this Friday night.
I didn't get to go, but I was skiing, so it's all good.
But it said right on the website podcast and then right on the website stand-up.
So like, if you got tickets for the wrong thing, you got to like work it out amongst yourselves at this point.
Yeah.
Well, I'm sorry, but both shows will be good.
So whatever you got tickets to, we'll have a gay old time.
Don't you worry about it.
I am excited for that one.
It's been a little while since I've been to Philly.
I haven't been to Philly since done stand up in Philly since before my daughter was born, which is so anyway.
We got to run the Rocky Steps, eat some pretzels.
I don't know what that is.
You're probably just going to get drunk and have a Philly cheesesteak.
I mean, let's get real.
Let's be more realistic about this.
I've run the Rocky Steps before, and then after you've done it once, you're like, you know, it's just running steps.
There's nothing special about it.
You do that little dance at the top, but it's like children don't follow you up the steps, which is what's a little disappointing.
I want a whole sea of Philly riffraff just following me as I jog.
You're like, no one cared.
I climbed to the top of this and there's no fanfare whatsoever.
There's just some janitor sweeping up there and he's like, please get off.
All right.
Well, very good.
Well, it's good to have you back.
I heard while we're there, if at sunset we fill the crack in the Liberty Bell, the Federal Reserve will disappear.
That's a great libertarian myth that somehow you just have to do that because it turns out it doesn't happen and we've been arrested as terrorists for defacing a national monument.
But at least people have tried.
Yeah.
Well, that's right.
What did you do to try to end the Fed?
Nothing.
Sent out some tweet.
We're filling cracks in the Liberty Bell.
Do you think we can visit the Fed?
They must do tours or something.
Like, I mean, the Fed of New York building?
No, there's a Fed in Philly also.
I bet they're the Fed Fed everywhere.
No, I think this one's the bigger deal.
No, it's a bigger deal, but I feel like the Philly Fed's a little more local, so it's got like a calmer vibe.
Maybe you can harass them with more questions.
The Philly Fed doesn't know what the fuck's going on about those Philly shitheads.
I don't know.
Whatever.
have a hoagie.
Labeling Left-Wing Supporters00:15:46
Okay, so for today's show, there's a few things that I wanted to talk about, a few recent developments, but I must say that I really am loving more and more than I even realized I would watching what's happening in the Democratic Party.
And this is, it's really so reminiscent of 2016, where this Trump thing kind of, at least for me and I think for most people, kind of came out of nowhere.
Like Donald Trump comes down this escalator and he's like, hey, I'm running for president.
And everybody's just kind of like, okay, well, he just seems like, you know, kind of goofy, ignoramous.
What is this about?
He's probably, you know, there's probably some publicity stunt.
He's going to sell a book or something, you know?
And then all of a sudden you watched it become more and more real.
And then just watching the Republican establishment freak out at the possibility that we actually can't stop this thing from happening.
Like we, we were sure we would be able to well, they, you know, they really didn't.
You know?
And so anyway, now even what it's not required that you like anything particularly about Donald Trump in order to have enjoyed that moment.
And it wasn't any, it wasn't my admiration for Donald Trump that made me enjoy that moment.
It was just my hatred for the Republican establishment.
And that's really all it takes to make the moment enjoyable, to watch them all freak out and freak out to the point that they're like, they're showing their hand.
You know what I mean?
You're like, oh, okay.
So this is always what it was.
I loved like, you know, watching people like, you know, I'm trying to think of these people like Bill Crystal and stuff like that, like basically just become Democrats and, you know, push Hillary Clinton.
And you're like, oh, right, right, right.
So you've always for years said Hillary Clinton's the worst thing ever.
Cause that's, you know, that's like always how politics works.
It's like Mitt Romney versus Barack Obama or Bob Dole versus Bill Clinton.
And, you know, the, you know, Barack Obama's team is like, the worst thing that could ever happen in the universe is Mitt Romney gets in.
And Mitt Romney's like, the worst thing that could happen in the universe is Obama gets four more years.
Meanwhile, we all know it's the exact same thing.
There's no difference between the two of them.
But then when all of a sudden Donald Trump or someone like that comes into the picture, you see Mitt Romney being like, oh, I'll vote with the Democrats.
Okay.
And they're like, what a great hero Mitt Romney is.
You know, like all of a sudden, that whole charade gets dropped because someone who's actually not in, you know, in with the duopoly comes in.
And that's the effect Bernie Sanders is having right now.
And it's really, it's amazing to watch it happen.
The difference is that, and it's really, it's shocking.
Even to me, and I know I talk about this shit all of the time, but it's really crazy to watch because it's like they're so delusional and in their own bubble that it took them till the fourth quarter to realize what was happening.
I've been saying since we've been talking about this primary, I was like, this is Bernie Sanders race from the very beginning.
This is Bernie Sanders race.
The only question I ever had is if he really wanted it or not.
There was no other question.
I always said, if he wanted it, this is his.
He can have it.
And it took them that it's like they were just living in this fantasy land where it was like, well, Robert Mueller is going to lead Trump out in handcuffs or Trump's going to be indicted.
Trump's family's going to be indicted.
Trump's going to be impeached.
Joe Biden's going to win the nomination.
Like all of these ridiculous views that if you just assess this soberly, it's very easy to be like, okay, none of that's going to happen.
None of that's happening.
Trump's not being impeached.
Trump's not being arrested.
Joe Biden ain't winning the nomination.
None of this is happening.
And now that it's become pretty clear that all of those things are in fact realities, they're like, holy shit.
We're basically in a situation where we're going to have to grapple with the fact that Bernie Sanders is the frontrunner.
There's no other way to view the race right now than to see Bernie Sanders as the frontrunner.
And actually, it seems pretty clear at this point that the only other candidate who's got a shot at this is Michael Bloomberg.
And we'll talk a little bit more about Michael Bloomberg later.
But just to spoiler alert a little bit here, just like I did when I would go through all of the candidates and tell you why none of them had a chance, why this cannot work.
Like not that there's why this cannot happen.
This person cannot win.
Michael Bloomberg also cannot win.
Like there's it's not just that he cannot win.
Let me amend that a little bit.
Michael Bloomberg could theoretically buy the Democratic nomination, which is exactly what he's doing.
Don't get it twisted.
There's never been ever a more blatant example of someone just buying their way in, didn't participate in any of the debates, wasn't even on the first two ballots, and then is just going to be like, well, I'll pledge to spend $3 billion and I've already spent $300 million.
Where does that put me?
But he could theoretically do it, or he could at least push it to a contested convention where they could give it to him.
But him doing that destroys the Democratic Party and guarantees Donald Trump re-election, guarantees it.
But we'll get to that in a second.
But there's a lot of really interesting things about the Bernie Sanders dynamic, a lot of really positive effects that it has on the broader political climate.
And one of the, you know, like there's the obvious is the same thing I said about Donald Trump.
You don't need to like Bernie Sanders.
You just have to hate the Democratic establishment to enjoy them exposing themselves as they're losing power because that's what they do.
They just expose themselves.
It's like, I don't know, just go watch any of them for the last few weeks.
They're all freaking out.
It actually shows you how scared they are of this guy, Bernie Sanders.
And it's an interesting question as to why he's so scary to them.
And I mean, I have a few guesses on it.
I would say number one, and probably the most important thing is that Bernie Sanders is outside of the national security state consensus, which feel however you feel about Bernie Sanders' foreign policy.
He ain't no Ron Paul.
He's not perfect.
But he's not one of them.
Very similar to Donald Trump.
He's not one of them.
It's not clear.
Now, Bernie Sanders, for different reasons.
Bernie Sanders, because I actually think deep down, he's basically like an old school communist sympathizer.
So he's like, oh, you know, I think this is just me speculating, but I think in my heart of, in his heart of hearts, well, part of in his heart of hearts, he might just be like kind of a con man, like Bernie Sanders enjoys living a cushy life where he's never had to work a real, you know, job.
But I think that quite possibly Bernie Sanders could be that and a communist sympathizer.
And I think his take is that, yeah, the commies were really never quite as bad as the CIA made it out.
You know, it's like, yeah, that was all CIA propaganda because he used to say that openly.
He used to say, ah, Castro isn't this bad.
The Soviet Union's not this bad.
It's just CIA propaganda.
Like that's not.
Now that all got, I mean, there certainly was some CIA propaganda, but those regimes were really that bad.
But I, and I think they, like most socialists you ever talk to, they kind of rationalize that away.
It goes, yeah, there were some excesses and that wasn't necessary and they should have been less authoritarian and more democratic, but more or less the goal is good.
But that being said, Bernie Sanders looks at the CIA as like, oh, they're a bunch of fucking liars.
These are the imperialists.
And that puts him outside of this, we need to go bring democracy to Iraq, you know, worldview.
And they don't like that.
They don't like that guy getting in.
And the other thing is that I think that the reality is the system that we live under is a corporatist system.
It's not a socialist system.
And they use socialism as a tool to gain votes.
You know, they're like, oh, we just care about the government taking care of people.
But really, I mean, who does this government take care of?
Takes care of fucking, you know, the politically connected and the wealthy and big banks and big corporations.
That's who the system takes care of.
And they can count on someone like Hillary Clinton or Elizabeth Warren to be like, well, I just want to give everybody universal pre-K and I just want to give everybody healthcare and all this.
But they know what's really going on.
But with someone like Bernie Sanders, they're a little bit worried about that.
It's just something to notice that's interesting is that the Democratic establishment really likes wokeism.
They really like the woke shit.
They don't so much like the hardcore socialist shit, which makes sense, right?
Because JP Morgan Chase can like put out a like, you know, higher all colors initiative.
And then all the left-wingers are like, oh, look at that.
They're great.
And it doesn't cost them anything.
But some hardcore socialists might be like, oh, no, you have to like share your profits with the workers or something.
And they're like, wait a minute, that actually costs something.
So they're probably not as into that.
But the best part about all of this to me is that a lot of people on the left, and Bernie Sanders isn't some fringe left figure.
He is currently the frontrunner for the Democratic nomination.
It's not like, you know, there are some people like really great left-wingers who just get marginalized or, you know, because, you know, like Aaron Matei, who works over at The Nation, he was absolutely right about the Russia collusion story from the very beginning.
Like he covered it beautifully.
He might have been the best reporter in the country on it.
He was just on top of it the whole time.
He was like, this is just the CIA lying to you.
This is all bullshit.
There's no evidence being promoted.
So he doesn't get invited on MSNBC or any of these shows.
They just kind of like push him to the side.
They marginalize him.
But they can't do that with Bernie Sanders because he's the fucking frontrunner for the Democratic nominee right now.
All right.
So what's happening is now a whole bunch of people on the left who are looking at this and going, oh, well, Bernie Sanders seems to be more the guy we like.
I mean, yeah, he's for free health care and free college and wiping away college debt and all that shit.
They're now seeing how the corporate press treats them.
You know, it's like, how doesn't, isn't it almost impossible that they don't at least on some level start realizing that the Trump derangement syndrome is not quite as simple as they, you know, or that there is in fact a little bit of a syndrome or something.
I mean, when Trump's calling CNN fake news all fucking, you know, four years or three years so far of his administration, and then CNN goes out and does that shit with Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders.
And it's like, what are Bernie Sanders people thinking now?
It's like, oh, yeah.
Well, you don't have to like Trump, but you could kind of recognize they are kind of fake.
Okay, anyway, all of this was building up to what I thought was one of the most incredible moments that I've seen in cable news, which is, you know, saying something because I've seen a lot of shit.
But it's a quick clip.
But here was the great Chuck Todd on MSNBC.
I'm going to bring up something that Jonathan last put in the bulwark today, and it was about how and Ruth, we've all been on the receiving end of the Bernie online brigade.
And here's what he says.
He says, no other candidate has anything like this sort of digital brown shirt brigade.
I mean, except for Donald Trump.
The question no one is asking is this: What if you can't win the presidency without an online mob?
What if we now live in a world where having a bullying agro-social media army running around popping anyone who sticks their head up is either an important ingredient for or a critical market marker of success?
Okay, that's I know everybody's freaking out about this, but you saw the MAGA rally that's prepared around here.
So, uh, I just thought that was amazing.
Who is he reading from?
Uh, he's, I, I, I forget the guy's name, but it's almost unimportant, but uh, it's some other reporter who can write about this.
But so he reads this piece that says, a digital brown shirt gang, which, of course, if you don't know, the brown shirts were the Nazis, were the fucking Nazis like, you know, they would have their groups of brown shirts that would go and kind of enforce their will, you know, or go like, you know, fucking harass businesses, beat up other protesters in the street and shit like this.
And to which, you know, Chuck Tott, of course, they do the Chuck Tott, this snakey fucking mainstream media thing where he's not saying it.
I'm just reading you a piece, but wow, is that and then Andrea Mitchell, the straight reporter for MSNBC, supposedly, shits there and goes, wow.
That's her response to that.
Wow.
Nobody sits there and goes like, um, isn't that a little bit fucked up to call like popular supporters on Twitter Nazis?
But this is the amazing part.
Here's the most amazing part.
And there's a couple other things that we could dissect about that little clip, but the most amazing part is it's like, hey, Bernie Sanders supporters, listen up.
Fucking swallow this and wrap your head around it.
You're Nazis too.
It's not just fucking Trump supporters or libertarians or anybody to the right of, you know, Mitt Romney, who now gets labeled as Nazis, but you too.
You are also Nazis.
Because it turns out the only non-Nazis, like it's a range from Hillary Clinton to Lindsey Graham.
And anything to the right or to the left of that, all Nazi.
That is the political spectrum, in case you're not educated on this.
It goes, Lindsey Graham, Hillary Clinton, and everything outside that is Nazi.
That's all that exists.
Bernie Sanders supporters, I'm sorry.
You have joined the club.
Team Nazi.
Don't worry.
We're actually much more inclusive than they portray us as being.
But don't, you know, like I've, I've laughed about this for years.
And I've, I literally at this point, just when I get tweets about it or whatever, I'll just like joke with them.
And fucking, it's really just boring at this point, just calling people Nazis.
But I've been called a Nazi or a Nazi sympathizer over the last three, four years more times than I can count.
And at first, you kind of like almost have the, you know, the reaction of like, you'll be like, you know, that's a wildly offensive thing to call somebody.
And then you kind of mock how stupid they are.
You know, you're like, I'm like a Jewish anarchist, so it's not exactly the same as the Nazis.
But after a while, it's like you can just, you just kind of have to roll your eyes or laugh at them because it's just boring and it's stupid.
It's like, and you're not even like, it's like I'm having a different conversation than you are.
You're not actually calling me a Nazi.
You're just, this is a word to shut you down kind of thing.
But it's really something to say, oh yeah, Bernie Sanders supporters, they're Nazis too, just because they're challenging the establishment, which, by the way, is always the only thing Donald Trump has had in common with the Nazis or that makes him called a Nazi.
Yes, Donald Trump is a fucking Nazi who just happens to be a huge Israel supporter.
You know, like that's, because that's exactly what a Nazi would do.
The Nazi Word Debate00:02:59
Would fucking do everything Israel wants.
But it's an amazing thing to like almost go, oh, okay.
So all you left-wing people realize that that's what this is all about.
It's not that anybody's doing anything that's even remotely Nazi-like.
It's just that Nazi is a very like Nazi is a word that still has some punch to it.
That's like the great, you know, it's in our history books, the great evil that ever existed.
And that's what you are for being.
So anyway, it's it I was really taken back that even on MSNBC, a channel that would typically be kind to Bernie Sanders.
Okay, now obviously they were for Hillary Clinton, but when it was a foregone conclusion that Bernie Sanders was going to lose, it was like nice talk with Bernie.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, no, you're cool.
He makes some good points.
He's got a loyal following, you know, but he's just, he's got to, you know, the Bernie people got to come over to Hillary to stop Donald Trump.
Okay.
But as soon as Bernie has a chance of winning and he actually might get the nomination, Bernie Sanders, the person who is on the verge of having a real shot of being the first Jewish president in American history, is now a Nazi.
That's the level of depth that Chuck Todd brings to the table.
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Cop Bullying and Minorities00:15:36
Rob, as an actual Nazi, are you offended that they just throw this term around so loosely?
Yeah, especially for these faggots on the left.
Yeah.
Yeah, I want like some hard, chiseled, other legit Nazis.
I don't want these fucking fruitcakes taking our name.
Nazis aren't.
Rob, as someone who has the haircut of a Nazi, do you feel like these wimps are?
Yeah, I had to work for this look.
I couldn't just wake up and be an automatic Nazi.
I had to shave my head, try and hit the gym just a little bit and throw some weird facial hair in.
I'm getting up to the tattoos.
I'm trying to save up some money so I can get a nice swastika.
It's good to have gold.
Yeah.
That's important.
We'll get there.
I also, I love the, um, is this the new, the question that Chuck Todd poses?
Is this the new standard, you know, that you have to have this online mob of bullies?
This online mob of bullies.
I mean, we just had this Trump event here and it was packed with roar, you know, raucous crowd.
Is that what you need now?
Because you get elected?
Everything else online is completely civilized.
It's very easy to recognize the mob and that their behavior is out of line and doesn't fit that environment.
It's so funny.
First off, it's like, well, isn't that your whole thing about democracy?
It's like, yeah, you got to have people who support you.
I'm sorry.
That's what it takes to be elected to something.
But like people enthusiastically supporting you.
I mean, that's, you know.
But it's so, of course, so funny.
So like, why?
This is like one of their angles that seem to be.
At least to me, maybe I'm missing something, but it seems to be just completely made up out of thin air.
But that the Bernie bros, these people who support Bernie Sanders are like vicious sexists.
You see this all over like mainstream news and media and all this stuff.
And I've seen very little evidence of this.
I mean, like the Bernie Sanders supporters, I mean, I see a lot of them as being like economically illiterate, very kind of soft men.
This is for the most part what I've seen, just saying.
But vicious sexists.
Like, what are you talking about?
And even if there's like a few, I mean, everybody's got a few, you know, supporters who are one way or the other.
They're barely even bros.
Yeah, that's the most offensive.
Yeah, really.
Too much.
To the point it's revolting.
Stand up to these broads.
Jesus, Bernie bros.
But no, so the real thing comes out that they're bullies.
And even Chuck Todd says, you know, like any good journalist will go, you know, we've all been on the wrong side of this.
So now he's speaking about his own, oh my God, the victim that is Chuck Todd.
I can't believe as you get paid $10 million a year to fucking be a horrific reporter, but you have to deal with mean tweets.
Man, oof.
I can't believe there hasn't been like a lifetime movie about your struggle yet of having to deal with people tweeting that you're full of shit.
Of course, you know, as we've pointed out before, I was talking about this when we were playing the Bill Maher clip.
No, he doesn't see himself as a bully in this situation.
I mean, here you are, the moderator of Meet the Press, calling this popular progressive movement a bunch of brown shirts.
But that's not, that's not being bullying or vicious or anything like that.
And of course, like Hillary Clinton calling Donald Trump supporters deplorables.
I mean, like, that's, you know, go look at what Hillary Clinton's supporters were saying about Donald Trump supporters through the entire election of 2016.
How is that not considered a mob of online bullies?
Basically, it's again, it's if you're outside of the paradigm that goes all the way from, you know, John McCain to Diane Feinstein, if you're outside of that at all, then you're basically a bully mob of Nazis.
What a weird fucking moment.
And the fact that no one on the panel pushes back against that at all.
It's just like, yeah, brown shirts, classic brown shirts with their tweets.
That's what we're dealing with.
So just see that.
I would just say, what's interesting is like to the Bernie supporters, just see that and then go, you know, if that feels a little bit unfair to you, if that feels a little bit like, wait, we get fucking labeled as Nazis just because we have policy disagreements with the corporate Democrats, like, okay, you know, yeah, that's unfair.
But maybe you realize that that term has been thrown around a lot toward pretty much anybody on the dissident right.
And, you know, it's pretty much like 99.9% of the time wildly unfair and not even close to accurate.
There are people.
Oh my God.
When fucking Milo came on Skanks, how many people threw the fucking Nazi word around?
Like Nazi.
He takes black dick every weekend.
It takes literally takes black dick on the regs.
That's not what Nazis did.
Well, probably a few of them did, but they had to be real secretive.
They sure as fuck didn't brag about it.
Yeah, you have to keep that black guy in your attic.
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
They keep it.
And then they end up smelling like Jews from the attic.
I can't say your attic anymore.
It takes me six showers to wash this juice smell off me.
Oh, fuck.
Anyway, it just, that was.
I actually couldn't believe it when I watched that clip.
I was like, there's no fucking way Chuck Todd is really going to go this far.
But they've got a real problem on their hands.
And Joe Biden really didn't help them.
Joe Biden really fucked over the Democratic establishment by collapsing at the absolute last moment, which was surprising to me, I got to say.
I did not think I thought he would fall apart much quicker.
I really, I thought Joe Biden would have been out of this thing at three months ago.
And I was surprised that he hung on.
But the thing that it's, it really pretty much, it wasn't until like Iowa that he absolutely just started tanking and tanking in the polls and tanking in the actual, you know, first two states and the first caucus in the first primary.
And now they're scrambling.
If it had happened three months ago, they would have had some time to see like, oh, well, maybe we can find someone else to get in there and fill that void.
But instead, it waited till the very last minute.
And now it seems like Bloomberg is their only shot.
Because let's get real.
Nobody else has a shot.
Look, you could still argue that Joe Biden could theoretically turn it around.
I don't see there being a chance of that.
But theoretically, it's possible.
His polls are dying.
Like he's taking a nosedive in the polls right when you need to be surging.
His fundraising is drying up.
And he's just horrible.
And I don't mean horrible, like a horrible person or has horrible policies.
All of that true.
I just mean he's horrible at this.
He's not good at politics.
He's not good at getting elected, at least for president.
So that's, you know, that's a big issue.
None of these other people have a shot.
None of them have a shot.
Like Mayor Pete did well in Iowa and New Hampshire.
He doesn't have a shot.
He's polling nationally at 10%.
He's not going anywhere.
He's still got zero black support.
Still, way too many problems.
Amy Klobuchar is not going anywhere.
Elizabeth Warren is not going anywhere.
None of these people have a path to the nomination.
Bloomberg now seems to be the only one who could actually come in and do this.
But as you've seen, now some dirt is starting to come out on Bloomberg.
And I don't even mean dirt, just Michael Bloomberg's record.
So this is the problem with waiting to this point for someone to get into it is that they don't like take their hits.
Like you're supposed to take your lumps throughout the course of a presidential campaign.
And then people kind of forget about the ones.
Some stick, some don't.
And then you kind of work with what you have.
But he's just getting in now.
So now all of a sudden, Michael Bloomberg, who was, you know, New York City's mayor, but has never really been scrutinized by the national electorate, is now getting that treatment.
And now it's coming out that basically Michael Bloomberg, aside from the things that we may not like about him, like the fact that he's like a soda authoritarian or whatever, or that he's like.
You shouldn't have so much sugar.
Yeah, right.
It's bad for you.
All the calories.
Exactly.
So he's like that, all that fucking ridiculous stuff, which I really do hate.
But there's that.
And, you know, obviously he's like a big climate change activist and he's big on like gun control and all that stuff.
And that's, there's a lot of things that, okay, Republicans are going to hate about him.
But the truth is that what Michael Bloomberg was in New York City was essentially a tough on crime Republican.
That's that's what Michael Bloomberg was.
He was quite literally a Republican for most of his adult life.
And as mayor, he was basically a continuation or even in some cases, an acceleration of Rudy Giuliani.
He got frisky with the minorities.
Sure did.
Black, they were frisking you.
Did you hear his audio that leaked about that stuff?
Can you find that?
I know that he has since apologized for it, which to me is politically even worse.
Well, this is the worst thing is that he, first off, it's like his fucking policy.
It was a huge part of New York policing under him.
It existed, Stop and Frisk, this is existed before Michael Bloomberg was mayor.
But I mean, I forget the numbers offhand, but it rose up like crazy.
And then it got pulled back before he left, but mostly because like courts were like limiting it before they finally just like you know eliminated it.
Do you have the quote that came up?
So he supported this policy for years and there so try to see if you can make this out.
The audio is a little fuzzy, but let's play it.
95% of your murders and murderers and murdered victims didn't want enough.
You can just take the description, zero access, and pass it out to all the cops.
They are male minorities like you like.
That's true in New York.
It's true in virtually every city.
And that's where the real time is, you've got to get the guns out of the hands of people that get killed.
She's going to be wanting to spend the money for a lot of cops in the street.
Put those cops where the crime is, which means being in minority neighborhoods.
So it's one of the unexpected intended consequences is people say, oh my God, you are arresting kids from marijuana.
They're all minorities.
Yes, that's true.
Why?
Because we put all the cops in the minority neighborhoods.
Yes, that's true.
Why we do it?
Because that's where all the crime is.
And the way you get the guns out of the kids' hands is to throw them against the wall at Christmas.
And then they start to say, oh, I don't want that.
I don't want to get caught, so they don't bring the gun.
They still have a gun, but they leave it at home.
So there's Michael Bloomberg saying that he really wants to protect black people.
So he's going to commit more of the cops to that area.
And even if he's got to frisk them to make sure that they're safe, you know what?
I'm back on board.
Well, there is something funny, right?
Even from the black issue.
Well, from the libertarian position, but from, I don't know, maybe just like an honest position where there's something.
Now, I am, I hate the policy of stop and frisk.
I think it's horrible.
That being said, it's not as if Michael Bloomberg is lying here.
Like there is something true that he's saying.
And you almost appreciate the fact that he's not sugarcoating it.
And he's like, well, look, this is the reality of the situation.
So you can hear the evil when he goes, but then we just put them up against the wall.
Yeah.
And you frisk them.
And if you find marijuana, they're in trouble.
Well, listen.
Well, that little afterthought is what makes you horribly evil.
Yes.
Yes.
No.
Well, absolutely.
And look, well, let me start by saying this.
The biggest issue with this is forget the policy of stop and frisk, which is over and in the past.
I mean, at least the actual technical stop and frisk is not the policy anymore in New York.
I don't, I don't think anywhere in America.
I might be wrong about that, but I don't think it is.
But the issue that you have here, which is in the context of what we've been talking about, which is the 2020 presidential race, is that Michael Bloomberg ain't running for the Republican nomination.
He's running for the Democratic nomination.
You got Democrats got to hear this tape.
And you're going to decide this is your guy.
I mean, if you want to defeat Donald Trump, this is just objectively the reality.
What you need is to get the energized progressive vote out for you.
That's what you need.
Now, you need the moderate Democrats to come out too, but you need all of them.
You know, you need high turnout.
And you're telling me that you have the Democrat, knowing where the Democratic voting base is in 2020, that you have the Democratic candidate standing up there saying, well, look, blacks are the ones who are committing the crime.
So you want to stop crime, you got to go after blacks.
You got to grab black kids, throw them up against the wall, go through their fucking pockets, and oh, big surprise, they have guns.
So then you arrest them.
And that's the problem.
Oh, they say we disproportionately target minorities.
We don't target them enough.
We disproportionately target whites.
We should be targeting the blacks more.
You tell me how that is possibly a winning message to Democratic voters.
Forget your feelings on any of this.
Whether you think that's a repulsive thing to say or you think it's a fair, accurate thing to say, for a moment, we can talk about that.
But for a moment, just forget that and tell me how you think that plays politically in 2020 with your average left-wing friend who hates Donald Trump.
I mean, you could call Donald Trump a Nazi and a racist and all this, but now he and Donald Trump, what's beautiful about the situation that Donald Trump's in is that he could play this from either angle and likely will play it from both.
And it doesn't matter because he's Trump.
Trump's just got this Teflon thing about him.
Like Donald Trump can contradict himself within a sentence and it just rolls off him.
And nobody fucking cares because the whole point of Donald Trump isn't that he's ideologically consistent.
Now, I don't like that quality about Donald Trump, but this is just the reality of the situation, you know?
Like Donald Trump can, you know, say things like, he can be like, I'm for free trade.
I'm the most free trade person you've ever met in your life.
But if you have a trade deficit, then a trade war is good for you.
And just say that all in one thought.
And people are just like, you know, the average Trump supporter is like, he's fucking trying to win for us.
Like that, it just works for him.
It wouldn't work for anyone else, but it works for him.
So what Donald Trump can do is actually attack Bloomberg from both angles on this.
And I bet he will if he's the nominee.
Bloomberg's Political Reality00:05:08
Like at first, he'll go, he'll be like, you were horrible to the black people in New York.
Yeah, I think the black people are wonderful people.
And you're talking about throwing them up against a wall.
That's true.
And then when Bloomberg starts going, no, no, no, well, I didn't mean that.
And I apologize for that.
And I think that was the wrong thing.
He could go, you were honest about the problem at one point.
And now you don't have the balls to be honest.
What?
But I don't know.
Like, he's, he can run circles around him on this issue.
And if you don't think like Donald Trump, if there's anything he is, he is savvy enough to bring shit like this up all the time.
And by the way, this is just the tip of the iceberg because this is just the first one to come out.
Bloomberg was championing these policies forever.
Bloomberg's actually, something I kind of like about him, a wildly politically incorrect guy.
He said a lot of things about like fucking, he had one quote once.
I just saw someone print it the other day.
They didn't have an audio of it, but he said something where like, he was talking about women who accuse people of rape.
And he was like, wow, you know, I mean, she's accusing you.
You have no way of knowing if this is true.
And they were like, well, what evidence would you need to know that it's true?
And he's like, I don't know.
Like a third-party witness who can attest to it.
Like, that's your standard for believing a rape accusation.
Like, I don't know if someone was there taking notes.
I guess I'll listen to that guy.
But he's, but so this is just going to be a fucking nightmare.
It's like every level of this, it's so obvious in the same way that it was so obvious looking at these other people and the mainstream media, you know, would be there like Beto O'Rourke has a real shot of winning this thing.
And you're like, excuse me, no.
Like, this is obviously not.
He obviously has no shot, like 0.0% chance we are swearing in President Beto O'Rourke in 2020.
And that was obvious.
And you're the experts.
You can't see this.
Any idiot could see this.
Here, one right here.
I can see it.
But then, like, all these other people have problems.
And now they're like, oh, Bloomberg, because he's the only shot to beat Bernie and they're terrified of Bernie.
They're like, no, Bloomberg, seriously, this guy could be.
And you're like, okay, so just explain this to me.
A billionaire who buys the election and is on record saying all of this shit is going to come.
And this is not going to split the Democratic Party in two.
You think the Bernie supporters, however you feel about Bernie Sanders, just saying the political reality of the situation is Bernie Sanders now has a big enough chunk of the Democratic Party.
I think he's polling nationally at 20, 25%, something like that.
That's a quarter of the registered Democrats.
You need them to vote for your nominee in order to beat Donald Trump.
Do you see Bernie Sanders supporters voting for Michael Bloomberg?
He says billionaires shouldn't exist.
They definitely shouldn't be able to buy the White House, right?
And, you know, say what you will about Donald Trump, you know, being a billionaire, but it is very different, particularly because Donald Trump didn't buy the White House.
Donald Trump didn't just go, hey, I'm going to spend a billion of my own dollars.
It's too cheap and he doesn't have the money.
Yeah, because he's like, Michael Bloomberg's much more of a real billionaire than he is, truthfully speaking.
Donald Trump was always kind of like, bless you, Brian.
He was always kind of like, you know, he gloats about his money, but we don't really know exactly how much money he has.
But Michael Bloomberg's got money.
He's got tens of billions of dollars.
But Donald Trump spent like a fraction of what Hillary Clinton spent on their presidential campaigns.
He didn't buy his way in.
But here, what do we pack poll from last week?
And what do they have?
Oh, that's the head-to-head of Sanders versus Bloomberg.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Listen, I don't put too much stock in the head-to-head polls at this point, but it's...
They have Klubichard defeating Trump.
So that's clearly inaccurate.
Yeah.
Like, I mean, it's...
Nice work, guys.
Well, it's like, but let's actually see what happens when they get out there on the trail.
There's no fucking chance.
But whatever, it doesn't matter.
She's not getting the nomination.
She's not getting it.
But Bloomberg could because he could.
Part of as much chance of turning into Cinderella.
Yeah, really.
But so it's just, you know, there's something about this whole dynamic where you're like, okay, so tell me how this happens.
I mean, this is the reality that it seems to me that the Democrats are facing.
And I think it's getting very similar to the reality that the Republicans face with Donald Trump, is that you start to realize you have no other option than to give this guy the nomination.
You have no other option because it's going to destroy your party to take it away from him and give it to anybody else.
And you got to just hope that fucking those, you know, like at a certain point, you know, you're like the political orthodoxy has always been, well, you can't have this radical here because the center won't vote for the radical.
But after a while, as with the Trump movement, they realize they're like, oh, no, no, the radicals aren't going to vote for the center when the radical is winning.
Endorsing Michael Bloomberg00:03:03
So now you get to a point where you're like, well, I mean, what's your bet here?
that the Democratic, the average moderate Democratic voter won't, yeah, maybe they don't love Bernie Sanders, but if presented with Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump, they're probably going to vote for Bernie Sanders, right?
Whereas the Bernie Sanders supporter presented with Donald Trump or Michael Bloomberg will probably not vote for Michael Bloomberg.
And this is a big part of the reason why Hillary Clinton lost, because, you know, a lot of the Bernie people actually flipped and went with Trump because they liked his populist message.
And, you know, it wasn't a huge percentage, but it was enough to be a problem for her.
And that was even with Bernie enthusiastically endorsing her.
I think it's going to be very tough for Bernie to enthusiastically endorse Michael Bloomberg, especially because he's already been like, this guy's buying his way into this.
This is an outrage.
And I just think, I think it's going to be much tougher this time to keep the Bernie people in the party.
It's like they were already bitter in 2016 that they got screwed out of that thing.
But then it's like, so we get screwed out of it in 2016.
We come back in 2020 and win and you screw us out of it again.
That's going to be really, really tough.
Really, really tough to get them to get them into it.
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New York Elite Circle00:08:44
I do say, in one way, I would really, I would love to see Michael Bloomberg on the debate stage with Donald Trump.
I do think that would be fun.
I'll at least admit that.
That would be a real good one.
Did you see him tweeting at Donald Trump?
He's tweeting at him, like the insults back and forth.
I have not, no.
Trump was calling him Mini Mike.
And then Michael Bloomberg tweeted back at him that he's got more money than Trump.
And he goes, you know, we know a lot of the same people in New York.
They all laugh at you behind your back.
And you're like, see, now what Michael Bloomberg's doing, and this is the impossible situation he's in.
It's like, so you're talking shit to Donald Trump in a way that would be effective to Donald Trump, which is true.
Like you're nailing that part of it.
It's a rich snob shit.
Yes.
But it's horrible for your base.
So yeah, that will piss off Donald Trump.
You can't afford the good caveat.
Yes, that's right.
So now he's got into that.
And I know on some level, that does piss Trump off.
Like, he's like, motherfucker, because that's the truth, is that Donald Trump really was a fucking, like, if you know the whole Trump story or you know New York at all, Donald Trump's father was fucking a Queens real estate developer.
And especially in those days, Manhattan real estate developers, they just look down at Queens, like whatever.
This is the big leagues.
You're over there and fucking, you know, fucking Queens.
That's nothing.
And then Donald Trump's big thing was, I'm going to take it into Manhattan.
I'm going to get that fucking respect.
That's what Donald Trump's always wanted.
So Michael Bloomberg knows exactly what he's doing.
He's going after him.
Like the two things that are fucking devastating to Donald Trump are number one, you don't have as much money as you fucking pretend to.
Like you're not actually that rich.
And number two, these people whose respect you desperately wanted don't fucking respect you.
So it's a good tactic to piss someone else off.
The problem is, Michael Bloomberg, if you don't realize, you're playing to an audience here.
You're not just trying to win a battle one-on-one.
And so to your whole audience, you're going, well, listen, you think you're the New York elite?
I'm really the New York elite.
And let me tell you about the other New York elite.
They're laughing at you, Donald Trump.
Now, Donald Trump can obviously take that back to his supporters.
And I go, yeah, look at that.
I'm not really the elite.
And the elite are laughing at me.
And, you know, Donald Trump is very good at this.
I'm going, and they're not laughing at me.
They're laughing at all of you.
You know, and that's, and they are kind of.
So that's it.
And then how does this play to Michael Bloomberg supporters?
Like, what the fuck?
What is there for them in all of this?
Anyway, it's, I don't know.
I don't know.
I mean, you tell me, but doesn't it just seem like this is actually 2020?
It looks like for the Democrats, not for the Bernie supporters.
I'm saying for the Democrats, it seems like it's Bernie or Bust.
That's shit that the Bernie Sanders supporters used to say.
That's not just something they believe now.
I think that might just be the political reality.
And I don't know.
We'll see what the fuck happens.
You got anyone you're rooting for at this point?
Yeah, a bunch of Hooter girls to come out and go, Bernie or Bust.
We're bringing the bus.
Boom.
Get everyone voting Republican.
Huh.
All right.
Oh, yeah.
Well, we'll see.
It's possible.
I mean, at this point, maybe that's what happens.
I don't know.
And don't get me wrong.
I'm being friendly to Bernie all this time, but I'm going to make a hard pivot if Bernie actually wins the nomination and just starts shitting all over the worst of Bernie's policies.
But I do, I wonder, like, I just wonder how it would play out.
It'd be interesting to see.
I wonder how much of the red baiting, as they call it, how effective that's actually going to be and calling Bernie Sanders out for being a socialist and a communist sympathizer all these years.
I don't know.
I mean, the truth is that I think one of the things that Republicans kind of have to realize is that I actually think the woke shit is far less popular than the socialist shit.
Like, I think forgiving student loan debt or like, you know, Medicare for all or any of that shit, I don't think any of that's nearly as unpopular as just the woke shit.
I think that really doesn't work.
And the Democrats really haven't learned their lesson on that.
This fucking ridiculous shit.
And this is a big part of the reason why Elizabeth Warren's campaign just fell apart.
It's like she just doubled down on the woke shit to an absurd point where it's like, so Elizabeth Warren, did you see when she tweeted that black trans women are the backbone of this country?
So it's a real tweet that black trans women are the backbone of America.
Now, I mean, who doesn't roll their eyes when they hear that?
Like, who doesn't, even the 16 black trans women in America are like, this is so obviously pandering.
That's this weird dynamic where you're not even pandering to them.
You're like pandering to white liberal women, basically, but it's just anyway.
Bernie Sanders has, by the way, you know, there's other things besides the socialism stuff that are real weaknesses for him.
And that is that he has pandered to a lot of the woke shit.
And that he, that can be used against him.
And the other thing that I think is almost like a time bomb that could be played the right way is that Bernie Sanders used to be much tougher on immigration.
Now, in some ways, that like if he had kept those politics, he actually might be much more popular nationally.
Like if he was like, look, I want to have all these social welfare programs, but we can't have fucking open borders with it.
Like that's crazy.
The problem is that Donald Trump can get him on the hypocrisy of that.
Like you used to know that we needed immigration control and look what you did.
You sold out and all that.
So I think there's a there's something there.
Anyway, we'll see what happens.
All right.
With the time that we have remaining, I did say we would take some questions from the part of the problem inner circle.
Rob, if you were out there, just a regular Joe, and you wanted to join the part of the problem inner circle, what steps might you take?
Ooh, I would become a subscribing member to this very program.
I would use our promo code P-O-T-P.
Is that the P-OTP15?
It would get me a discount.
POTP.
Oh, I would use the discount code P-O-T-P, which would get me a discount.
I think it's 15% off the gas digital membership.
Then I would go to the subscriber form and I just put my name in there.
Nothing else.
I would just post my name and not just my name, but my name, however it appears on Facebook, right?
So three-step process.
First step, become a subscribing member.
Step two, you go to the forum.
You put your name in there the same way it appears to Facebook.
Then you go on Facebook.
You go to the part of the Prom Inner Circle.
You go, hey, I'd like to access this thing.
Then on our end, we do all the paperwork.
We investigate who you really are.
We look for your fingerprints.
We look to see your face.
Are there any massage connections?
Mazad connections, CIA.
You know, just all the important shit.
We match the things up and we go, all right, you're cool.
You can enter the group and then we hang out with you.
Do you watch Homeland?
Yeah, it's great.
I haven't seen the second episode.
Don't say a word.
But the first episode, it got me right back in.
It got me right back in.
And it's also such a good show that I'll root for the CIA.
Oh, I don't care.
You know, like they'll be like, yes, drone those kids now.
Drone them.
Drone them.
These kids are a threat.
It's all it takes to fall right into the propaganda.
God bless these good men and women.
It's all a bunch of Sauls.
That's what the CIA is.
You're worried about those guys?
Saul Berenstein, whatever his name is?
Okay.
So questions.
From time to time, I will take questions from the part of the problem inner circle.
And right now is one of those times.
Kyle writes, oh shit, am I first?
How quick will Hillary kill Bloomberg if she's his VP?
Okay.
Also, make sure Robbie tells you how awesome Steamboat is.
Oh, that's my boy Kyle.
Yeah.
Yeah, he's in the inner circle.
He puts together, he's got, he runs the whole, he's like a forward-looking guy.
He's an operator.
He's got a whole comedy scene going out there.
Very good.
Skier, a lot of fun.
All right, very nice.
Okay, so what Kyle is referring to is that there were some reports that Michael Bloomberg wanted Hillary Clinton to be his VP.
Metal Show Mosh Pit Stories00:02:47
Listen.
Hillary wouldn't take that.
No, of course not.
Of course not.
No, she wouldn't.
Hillary Clinton has no interest in being vice president.
That would be a slap in the face.
He wins, she would take a cabinet position because that's different because then you just get a little slice of the power pie.
But she's like, Hillary could have fucking, you know, tried to be Obama's VP.
She wanted to run the State Department.
She wanted to be his fucking VP.
Now, I don't think she'd want to run the State Department again, but she maybe would come in and, you know, run the Defense Department or run fucking some other big, you know, she'd be some big deal, maybe the National Security Advisor or something like that.
But I don't think she'd be interested in being VP.
And yes, Kyle, your point is well taken.
That would be a real danger.
Mike Bloomberg better fucking get a body double and extra security if Hillary Clinton is one Michael Bloomberg accident away from being president.
I can guarantee you something bad would happen.
But I also, I thought, I never thought there was anything serious about that.
I thought that was just, you know, campaign strategy to get yourself trending on Twitter and stuff like that, which probably worked.
But anyway, Jimmy said, I heard you talk about liking all that remains.
Do you dig any other metal bands and have any crazy stories from the pit?
No, no, no crazy mosh pit stories, but I've been to a decent amount of metal shows, mostly just because Jay used to get tickets to all these fucking metal shows, so we would go sometimes.
But I like some of them.
I've seen Slipknot a couple times, and I've seen Five Finger Death Punch a few times.
And trying to think what other bands I have a whole bunch of others.
I'm just kind of blanking on them.
I'm not a big metal guy in general, but it's, you know, you have fun.
Can I tell you a good pit story?
Sure.
I'm not a big metalhead either, but one random night in high school, I lived in the city.
I was bored.
I was just looking up the concerts that were going on.
I saw there was a heavy metal concert.
I was like, fuck it, I'm going to go to this.
And now, when I was in high school, I was tiny.
I'm 5'6 now, but I was probably like 130 pounds.
And that mosh pit broke out.
It was like serious, like death metal.
And people are just throwing punches and kicks.
And it's violent.
So I just clear out to the corner of the room.
I want nothing to do with this thing.
This giant, like 300-pound Polish guy just like sees me from across the room, like Babe Ruth style with the bad.
He just calls me out and he runs across the entire room, punches me in the stomach, lowers his shoulder, and flips me over a guardrail.
Jesus.
Yeah.
And I just land.
I'm like, all right, I got to leave here.
That sucks.
Yeah.
I guess it's a funny story now in hindsight.
The time probably wasn't that funny.
Oh, he wiped me out over that thing.
It was like a check into the board, but it was one of like those security, you know, like chain things.
I just went right over it, fell on my ass.
Personal Liberty Boundaries00:15:34
All right.
Well, hey, that guy, if you're out there and you're listening to this fucking show, you're a jerk.
Just know that.
You ruined metal forever for me.
Fucking.
It would be a total metalhead.
Well, just so you know, you thought you were never going to get your comeuppance.
Well, here it is.
You're mean.
Stop being such meaning.
All right.
Eric writes, What are your thoughts on the whole Bloomberg picking Hillary?
Just gave you that.
Bart, would you let Lewis or Jay dress up in drag and do library story hour for your daughter?
Who would look hotter?
Well, that is a pretty easy no.
But the who would look hotter is more of a, that's that's a more intriguing question.
Um, hmm.
I gotta say, I think Lewis would look hotter in drag than Jay.
I just don't think Jan, Jay, Jay's got a very manly facial structure that I just don't think would work if I'm giving my honest opinion.
Although, I'll say Jay looks more like the average drag queen than Lewis does.
So, you know, I don't know.
You pick.
Gregory asks, Will you read and comment on Mulbug's open letter to open-minded progressives?
Sure.
I'm down to read it, but I haven't read it yet, so can't comment on it right now.
Um, Grishka, am I saying that right?
Grishcha asked, What color is your leg hair?
And when it's wet and I smooth it down, does it stand back up?
Well, yes, yes, of course it does.
It's blonde, and the kids used to do this at Joe Biden.
Oh, okay.
No, I got dark brown, dewy leg hair, and uh I don't think it stands back up.
I think if you smooth it down, it's gonna stay down for a little while.
And I'm not letting any kids mess with it.
A couple LP questions.
I'll talk about that stuff later.
James says, Would you say at this point that you've learned your cultural lesson?
Well, yes, I've been saying that for years.
I certainly have learned my cultural lesson.
I'm learning it more and more.
Jeffrey writes, What are you doing to get ready for the coronavirus?
I'm just hanging around Rob a lot, and I feel like that will be right.
And I just feel like if I'm around Rob like in small doses, then I'll build up a response to it.
Yeah, exactly.
Yes, antibodies, right?
Perfect.
Okay, Dante says, Have you, like most of us, I'm sure, lost some respect for Gene?
He seemed to be okay with everyone else expressing themselves, but you're not allowed to have the wrong opinion.
Also, best episodes are just you and the fire.
Oh, he's so sweet.
Well, I mean, except the gene part, not so sweet.
I like Gene part.
What a narcissist you are that he just went right to your part and went, oh, this guy sounds like an awesome guy, man.
He's just throwing your friend under the bus.
But you go, Wow, that's really cool, though, what he said about me at the end of the year.
Dave's a fag, and I hope he dies.
But Rob's cool.
You go, I like that guy.
That guy seemed really good.
Well, okay, if you think the best episodes are me and Rob, then, you know, you're in luck because that's what most of the episodes are.
No, I have not lost any respect for Gene Epstein.
I love Gene.
Gene is fucking a great guy.
He's a brilliant economist.
I love having him on the show.
He's been a friend for a long time and has always been just a really great guy to me.
I look up Gene is like one of my mentors, I would say.
I've learned a ton from him.
And, you know, he's like about as sharp as any economist you'll ever talk to.
I just disagreed with him on the last episode, but I also don't like, you don't have to lose respect for people or have this view because you have disagreements on different issues.
And actually, I thought that, you know, I mean, maybe, you know, obviously you, the listener, can have your own opinion, but I thought it was a great show.
And it's valuable to me.
And I think it's valuable to all of us to get pushback on some of our positions because it helps you kind of refine them and question them.
And if you still end up believing them after that, it makes you that much stronger in your views.
So I agreed with him.
And I thought he made some points that were good.
Like there were certainly some data points that he corrected me on that he was right about.
I mean, just factually right about.
Like I said the thing about women entering the workforce in the 70s and he pointed out that the rate of women entering the workforce from the 50s to the 60s was pretty consistent with the 70s.
So he's right about that.
Look, I think truthfully speaking, I kind of reject what Gene's starting point was on the last show, which was that Penn teller quoting PJ or Rourke or the other way around idea that as libertarians, there's this kind of guiding principle that we can't know what's best for other people.
I might be misquoting this a little bit, but it was something along the lines of we can't know what's best for other people.
And so we have to respect everybody's decisions.
And I don't know if I completely agree with that.
I certainly agree with the moral principle of non-aggression.
So I agree with that, that people have like you have an ownership in yourself and you ought to be allowed to do with your life what you want to as long as you don't violate other people's property or their bodies or whatever.
But I don't, you know, I certainly, I don't know that it's true that you don't know what's best for other people.
I mean, I suppose you could say you don't know with certainty, but you can know with a, with a pretty high degree of certainty quite often in life, what's best for somebody else.
And I'm sure every single person listening to this and every person here in the studio has had a situation where they've known somebody and they kind of know they're fucking up.
Like, I know you shouldn't be doing that.
This is really not what's best for you.
You should be doing this.
Now, that's different from believing that you have a right to enforce that on them.
In the same way that you could, you know, let's say theoretically, if there was like some woman who you were interested in who is with some guy who's really shitty to her and you were like, you know, I would be really good to this person.
I know that like it would be better for you if you weren't with this guy because he's always hurting you and making you unhappy or whatever.
And I wouldn't be that guy.
You can feel, I think, with a reasonable degree of certainty that you know that this would be better for her.
But that's a very different thing from believing that you can force her into a relationship with you.
Like those are different things.
I think quite often if people are, you know, abusing their bodies with drugs, if people are living in fucked up ways, you can quite often, like with a high degree of certainty, be like, this isn't what's best for you.
But that's a different thing than feeling like you can enforce it.
And the other thing that I really disagreed with is the idea that you have to respect everybody the same.
I mean, I just don't, I don't buy that.
You have to respect people's rights to be a libertarian, but you certainly don't have to have respect for everybody.
And as, you know, we were kind of talking about this outside or whatever, but if there's somebody who's like a really talented person, let's say you have two really talented people who both start from humble beginnings.
Or if actually, just to make my point stronger, let's say you have a really talented person who starts from humble beginnings, works their ass off and creates something amazing.
Like they build a huge company that helps a whole bunch of people, employs thousands of people.
They're a great father.
They're really great to their wife and their kids or whatever, you know, just great guy.
And then you have someone else who's like, has a very privileged life, is also really talented and just does nothing with it, just plays video games all day and jerks off and doesn't do anything to contribute to society.
Now, you know, a libertarian would say you both, you have a right to do that.
I'm not going to, no one should force you to do something else with your life.
But I certainly don't think it's on me to respect both of those two men in the same way.
And I don't.
And I thought, you know, I just thought there were some contradictions in some of Gene's, some of Gene's points.
Like, you know, once you go to a place where you're like, you know, he was acknowledging that he thinks of himself as a thick libertarian.
I'm not so sure.
I guess I got to think through that more, but I don't know if I'm a thick libertarian or a thin libertarian.
I kind of always thought of myself as a thin libertarian, but that there are these other points that are outside of the scope of libertarianism that I could also, you know, have.
But if you're going to say, hey, a company has the right to say no Jews and no black people are allowed in my establishment.
But we have the right to say, we think that company is horrible and we're going to boycott them, which was the starting point that Gene started with.
Okay, so I agree with that completely.
Like to me, that is, that's exact libertarianism right there.
But then at the same time, I feel like I can say, okay, you have a right. to have kids and basically have a nanny who spends more time with them than you do.
But I have a right to criticize that and go, maybe you shouldn't have kids unless you can actually raise them and take care of them full time.
And I understand Gene's point where he was like, just because you have a nanny there doesn't mean you're not raising your kids.
Maybe I was being a little over the top with that language.
But if you look at some of these two, you know, mother and fathers who work full-time jobs, both of them, and add up the time that the nanny spends with them compared to the time that they spend with their kids.
And it's, it's, it's pretty, like, if you actually look at it that way, it's pretty crazy.
Like if you go to, if you go to work all day long, you're not spending that much time with your kid that day.
That's the truth.
And if both parents are working full time, they're really not spending much time with their kids at all.
What do you do?
I mean, what do you, what time is your kid going to school or whatever?
Or what time are you going to work?
You're going by 8 a.m.
So what are you leaving at 7 a.m?
What time is your kid waking up?
6.
So do you have an hour with them in the morning, which is mostly like, you know, getting shit done, brush your teeth, have breakfast, you know what I mean?
Like at this, okay, packing your bag or whatever.
And then what are you off at?
5?
You're home by 5.30, 6.
And when does your kid go to sleep?
8?
So three hours that day, that day with your kid.
That's just, I'm just saying it's not a lot.
Now, all I'm saying is I, in the same way that you have a right to judge, like, it's very nuanced because it's not as clear.
It's like, okay, like here'd be my example.
And I'll move on to the next question in a sec.
But so when Gene said, or if any libertarian says, I'm not trying to pick on Gene, but if he said, you know, if there was some business who discriminates, we could judge them.
Well, certainly in the situation, if it was just some like coffee shop and they were like, no blacks allowed, or, you know, like, and they were just dicks about it and stuff like that, whites only coffee shop or something.
Yeah, sure.
I have no problem saying, oh, you're a fucking dick, right?
Like, fuck that business.
I'm not going to go to that business.
I'd say that publicly, and then I'd go there and be like, I've never enjoyed coffee more in my life.
Just a nice white coffee environment.
But like, okay, fine.
But let's say there was like, I don't know, let's say there was like in a libertarian society, there was like a poker, you know, room that said men, men only.
Like, that's what our thing is for.
Our thing is for men who just want to be around other men and play poker.
Do I have to judge them for that?
Because I don't.
I get where maybe some men just want to play poker with other men.
I don't think that's so crazy.
You just want to be able to talk about some chick's ass and not like see a chick around there and just have like that type of zone.
If there's a place that doesn't allow men, you know, they have these things.
I don't know.
It closed before my wife was pregnant.
Not that she ever would have gone there, but I remember it was, we saw it closed right when my wife first got pregnant.
But there was this place called Upper Breast Side that was like a place to breastfeed.
Like it was a place that you could like go out with your baby.
Like if you were breastfeeding mom, I guess if you were out going for a walk and you needed a breastfeed, you could like stop in there and have a drink and breastfeed in the place.
And if a place like that want to say no men allowed, I mean, that seems reasonable to, so I'm just saying, even in the point of saying, well, discrimination is bad.
Well, no, not so, you know what I mean?
Like not so quickly.
Maybe it's not actually bad in some ways, you know?
If a Catholic church wanted to say only Catholics in here, that seems fairly reasonable to me.
You know, like I, I don't, so I'm not just like everything is nuanced.
And so I think libertarians have a right to criticize the practices we don't like and, you know, then be okay with other ones.
And I just don't think that's crazy.
And in terms of like the drag queen story hour and the transgender stuff, I just think.
Yeah, shit's gotten pretty wild today.
And not everybody, if you don't really pay attention to it, I think you might not be aware of how crazy it is.
Maybe I just have a different opinion on that stuff than Gene.
We're both libertarians because we don't want to use the state to intervene in these activities.
But I find something really creepy about drag queens reading stories to children.
I just do.
I think drag queens are, just by their very nature, an adult thing.
Let's say that I don't want to insult them and say like, you know, they're fucking degenerate or something like that.
But I think they're adult.
I don't think they should be for children.
I don't think they're showing children, look how creative you can be.
You don't have to be constrained by any rules of clothing or makeup or sky's the limit.
You know, someone posted a thing that I actually thought was a really good, a really good point to all of this where they said, well, how would a libertarian feel?
Let's say you had a libertarian society or like even a non-government school, like a private school, and they were just teaching kids that two plus two equals five.
Could a libertarian be like, hey, I think that's wrong that you're teaching kids this factually inaccurate thing as if it's fact.
And to me, that is a perfect analogy for teaching children that a man can be a woman if you choose to.
It's really kind of the same thing.
You're just teaching somebody that this is a biological reality when it's not.
And that's, I feel like we have every right to speak out against that.
And the more important thing is that, like what I was saying, my ultimate point was that I think libertarians, I think it's a very losing argument that will put us in a corner of being irrelevant if we, if there's, you're in the middle of this culture war and the libertarian, you know, like what we have to say about the culture war is that we can't comment.
Like no comment.
Shaping Cultural Arguments00:03:24
Everybody do whatever they want to do.
I mean, if our argument is that the state shouldn't shape the culture, well, let's say the state goes away tomorrow.
What is going to shape the culture?
The people are, right?
And that's by trying to influence others.
So nothing that I'm doing is trying to violently force other people to live a certain way.
I'm just saying I'm just using my platform to try to influence people to do, you know, what I think, or at least share with them what I think.
I think I read, I think it was Charles Murray's Coming Apart, but I might have the...
Great book.
I might have the wrong book here.
It might have been one of the other books.
The Bell Curve.
No, it definitely wasn't the Bell Curve, but he's got a new one out.
The last one I read was about the Madisonian fund, which was really interesting, that basically we should create an insurance fund for legal cases against the government, which would make it too unaffordable for some of the.
That was really interesting.
That's a really interesting idea.
The one before that, though, he was saying that, you know, what's interesting about kind of the wealthy or the elites in this country is that they hold themselves to like a certain standard.
And so like they'll only eat a certain way and they want to educate their kids in a certain way.
And the big one that he talks about is that they stay together.
Well, they stay together and raise their kids.
They stay together.
They raise their yeah, they stay, but they don't have wedlock.
But at the same note, they won't judge other people for that.
And what's interesting culturally is that if you had more of like the elites imposing, not necessarily imposing, but like outwardly saying, hey, this is the right way to do it.
Might uplift everyone where like, they feel like oh, I want to act the way the nobility is because that's working out for them.
Yeah, I forget the numbers he goes through, but he'll show you where, like the illegitimacy rate of like the average person in America in say, like the 1950s and before, was very, very high, like it was even in in like the communities now, like in the black community and things like that, they're like 80% legitimacy rate.
Like they got married and then had kids and then it's now it's like 70% illegitimacy rate in the black community and even the white community.
It's not quite as high, but it's like way higher than it was.
But then he goes.
If you look at the elite legitimacy rate, it's the exact same that he used to be like they never stopped having kids in wedlock, but now they're like.
To your point, there's like, but they're like, but we won't judge you if you do.
And it's like, well, maybe you should like, maybe you should, or maybe you should at least be like, no, this is the better way to live.
And yeah, to your point, it might.
That might help people out, is it really?
I mean, is it really that crazy to say that I think it's better for kids to have fathers like, is that okay can?
Can you say you know, because that just seems so obvious to me, okay?
Um, Jeff asks, when is your next comedy special coming out?
Uh Jeff, it will be this year, it will be 2020.
I will put out another hour of stand-up comedy in 2020.
That is my uh, that is my goal and my pledge to you.
I'm working, i'm working the hour out now.
It's still it's not quite there, but it's, uh, it's coming together.
It's uh, these things are uh.
You know, I wanted it to be 2019 but uh it's, it's 2020.
So that's what's happening.
You know, had a kid and and uh, kind of slowed me down a little bit.
It was just hard.
It was hard to like really get out on the road as much when when you got a, you know, a newborn and stuff so.
But i'm getting out there now.
I'm working it out.
Philly, you're about to see my uh, my new hour, so you'll see uh, what you think.
Boston already saw it and uh, they told me.
They said, go to Philly, keep working.
Uh no, i'm saying that it's.
It's a killer dude.
Thank you very much.
Hornberger Nomination Ideas00:06:11
I appreciate it.
Also, don't wait for it.
Live.
Comedy is the shit, I promise you.
Even some of the jokes that won't make it to the hour are always fucking hilarious.
Oh, there'll be a bunch of those and you only get to see those live.
So you know, come live we're.
We're setting up more tour dates, hopefully the whole country.
That's right, you heard it here first, but we will be doing a lot more uh, a lot more tours.
All right, let me get to this next uh question, what do we have here okay?
So Sean says uh if, if Joshua Smith fails to capture the chairmanship and or Hornberger doesn't get the nomination, what's your game plan regarding the LP?
Um, burn the whole thing to the ground?
No, I don't know.
I mean uh look, i'm like that's the game plan right now.
I don't really have a lot of like contingencies.
After you know, if that shit doesn't work out uh, the big one to me is Hornberger getting the nomination.
You know, I don't like uh Sarwalk being there.
I don't trust Sarwalk.
Uh, if there was a you know Hornberger Libertarian Party that he would really be uh, a great chairman to have.
Um, and uh I, you know, on a personal level, just feel like he deserves to not keep that job, um, But that being said, the more important thing to me is Hornberger getting the nomination to have a really good libertarian.
And I am very, I'm not like looking at this through, you know, some like, I'm not like a wide-eyed optimist about this.
I understand that, you know, there's, it's going to be, there's a lot of challenges involved in really making a difference.
But I just think it is important.
It's, it's important enough and has enough potential that it would be silly to not pursue trying to have the biggest third party that bears the name libertarian actually have a standard bearer that represents something that you'd be like, oh yeah, okay, they're actually putting some really important ideas out there.
I mean, like, if you more or less, if you go, we live in America where you have this fucking government that is planning on spending $5 trillion a year in the next few years, running up trillion dollar a year deficits, involved in wars that are older than the people fighting in the wars with 50,000 SWAT raids a year, the biggest prison population in the planet, a crazy overregulated economy,
department after department that we don't even fucking need, like just ridiculous levels of government overreach.
And then you have a party that's like, hey, we're the free market party.
They've got something to offer, you know, this political climate.
And I just, I look at, you know, like I know the Ron Paul days are in the past.
And I don't think it's easy that, well, we'll just get the Ron Paul days just like that with the snap of a finger.
But I also don't think there's any reason, like I see a lot of pessimism with some libertarians where it's like, oh, the libertarian moment came and passed.
And it's like, okay, well, if we all feel that way, then yeah, it's over.
But there was a libertarian moment when it didn't look like there would be one.
So why can't we fucking have another one?
And I think it would be silly to not pursue this as one of the outlets.
And to anybody who says, which I always think is so fucking stupid, and people will be like, you know, well, it's politicians don't affect the culture.
Politics is downstream from culture or something like that.
Or be like, the job of the LP isn't to convert people or some ridiculous shit like that.
It's like, well, first off, politics is downstream from culture is only half true.
I mean, politics and culture both affect each other.
So it's not, it is true that the culture affects the politics, but it's also true that the politics affect the culture.
Take a country like Korea that was one country at one point with a kind of similar culture.
And now look at North Korea and South Korea.
And they have kind of different cultures.
And I think that might have something to do with the governments that are ruling over each side.
Okay.
So yeah, actually, you know, like East and West Germany or something like that, right?
They were all, they were all one culture at one point, East and West Germany.
And then the fucking West took over one half and the communists took over the other half.
And it seemed to have an effect on the culture of the two sides.
So, and particularly for a libertarian, if you're going to sit here and be like, well, a politician running for president isn't going to influence a lot of people to become libertarians, except the only time we had a libertarian moment was when a politician was running for president and influenced a whole bunch of people.
I don't even know.
I don't know how to respond.
It just doesn't make any sense.
Of course they can.
Of course somebody could get up there.
You know, libertarians tend to, the thing about it is, right?
And this is true for all people who are like very into politics, or I should say who are into radical political ideologies, is that you get into it and you get into it for a while.
And now it's like you fucking, you know, like, Rob, someone like you, like you've been reading about the free market and all of this stuff for years and years now.
You've read like many, many books about the subject.
You've thought about it for years and years.
And you almost, it's easy to sit there and go, well, I guess people just aren't sold on this because they're fucking, nobody's jumping.
You know, they're still saying the same old shit that I debunked 10 years ago.
And it's like, you kind of forget that a lot of people just have never been introduced to these ideas.
There's a whole bunch of people.
In the same way that you once never really thought about these ideas and then were introduced to them.
And then you were like, oh, shit, yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
There's a lot of people that are still in the blue-pilled phase.
And I don't know how many people we can convince to be libertarians, but I know for a fact there are more.
And let's try to get as many of them as we can.
Why wouldn't we do that?
And to me, it's like that was always just kind of obvious that, well, that's what you need.
If you ever have a chance of having somewhat of a free society, you've got to convince as many people as you can to want a free society.
That seems fairly logically sound to me.
So that's a, and I think the LP is a big part of that.
Vaccine Trust Issues00:03:12
I got away from your question.
If they fail, then I don't know.
We pick up the pieces and we see where we are and you keep fucking moving forward.
The cocks will rise again.
The cocks will rise again.
I don't know.
And I keep podcasting about how dumb Joe Biden is.
I don't know.
We'll be fine, baby.
Talk about how cringy Bloomberg is.
Oh, I didn't see this.
He was on Barstool Sports or something.
I don't know.
I don't know.
He's cringy, though.
Cole writes, just a basic type thing compared to the last election, how are the timelines compared?
Polls, scandals, media presence.
I'm not following the question.
How are the timelines compared from the last election?
I don't know.
Does that make sense to you?
I'm not following.
I'm sorry, Cole.
You're going to have to try again.
Back of the line.
Back of the line, Cole.
Jason says vaccines.
I guess I figured libertarians would be more on the skeptical side.
I mean, the government has lied about everything else from wars, revolving doors with corps and regulatory agencies, lobbyists, the food pyramid, dietary guidelines.
But we're supposed to believe that when it comes to vaccines, they're completely honest and forthright.
Well, I certainly don't believe that the government is completely honest and forthright about anything.
That being said, I'm not, I lean more toward being okay with vaccines than being against them.
What I recommend to other parents is just do a lot of research.
Read stuff from different angles and try to talk to your doctor and work out a plan for you.
There were some that I wasn't for and that we didn't do.
And we spaced out the ones that we did.
But I don't know.
I mean, like, I'm, you know, just, for example, like, you know, polio was a real thing that like a lot of people got and now they don't.
And I'm fairly confident that's because there's a vaccine for it.
And I don't want my daughter to have polio.
So she got the polio vaccine.
And, you know, like, there's, you can, I know like probably the most controversial one is the MMR vaccine.
And I understand why it's controversial, but you also see where like these communities, which are, you know, them or us, depending on how you look at it, but not us, the, the real crazy ones, the Hasids who don't get the MMR, is they had a huge measles outbreak.
It's like kids getting measles all over the place.
So I just, I understand the urge to be against what the government does or to not trust the government, but just be careful that you don't go too far in the other direction.
Like things like kids get things like whooping cough and the measles and like this is real.
This happens.
And the kids who are vaccinated don't for the most part with like 99.8 degree.
Whipping cough.
Cough like a whoopee cushion, just fart noises coming out of your mouth.
Debating Truthfully00:08:19
It's fine, but he can't get it.
Can I tell you what bothers me about that question is I don't actually know, but it does sound like it would be like a real like, whoo, fucking pick cough.
No, but I know I've heard like the Monopoly man.
I know Kennedy from Fox, she's had like a friend who was like some hippie and they didn't vaccinate their kids and their daughter got whooping cough and like almost died.
Like it's fucking scary shit.
So I don't know.
There's fears on all sides of it.
I don't know if I have a much better answer for that.
Okay.
Okay, Brian says, let's say Bernie wins, but it's still divided government with a GOP-held Senate.
What do you foresee Mitch caving on?
Huh.
That's an interesting question.
You have any thoughts on that?
Bernie Sanders is president.
The Republicans still have the Senate.
Does Mitch McConnell go along with Bernie Sanders?
Let's just say the Democrats still have the House.
Let's say Congress is the same, but Bernie gets the presidency.
McConnell's as slick as they come.
He's going to fight him tooth and nail to the extent that his power allows him.
And anything that he has to fold on will be because it was forced upon him.
Yeah.
There's going to be, and believe me, he'll be as slick as anyone ever was in terms of trying to hold up things getting to the floor and every trick in the book.
He'll do a lot of that.
You'll hear a lot of talk about actually debt being important, that that will come back.
Yes, it'll be a talking point.
But, you know, I don't know if I completely agree with you.
I think he will hold up some things and be slick about some things, but I think it would probably be somewhat like with like truthfully speaking, I think it would be somewhat like with Obama and somewhat like with Trump and probably not that much different.
My honest guess if Bernie Sanders were to come in would be that he doesn't get Medicare for all through.
He doesn't forgive student loan debt.
He gets a portion of the student loan debt thing through.
Like they come together on some bill that forgives a portion of student loan debt for lower income people or something like that.
They reduce the cost of some public colleges, but he doesn't get his free public college.
You know what I mean?
Like maybe they get the minimum wage.
Maybe he'd get that one.
My guess is they probably don't get that.
My guess is that Mitch McConnell talks a really good game about spending and deficits and debt.
And then they have the same thing where they come up to the last fucking week where we're about to hit the debt ceiling and they come up with some agreement that adds another trillion dollars or another couple trillion dollars to it.
And we keep kind of spending at the increase rate that we're spending now.
Nothing gets rolled back.
And I bet that every national security state thing that they want gets passed.
I bet that's it.
He'll damn sure make sure that the Patriot Act and all these things continue on.
I don't believe the defense budget will be cut.
I just don't believe any of that shit.
I think Bernie will cave on all of that shit and the Republicans will cave on spending at about the rate that they've been caving on spending under Obama or Trump.
That would be my guess.
That would be my guess as to what happens.
I don't think Bernie Sanders will come in and have some revolutionary moment.
And the other thing that would be possible, but I'm not sure, but that, you know, you see, and this is what Bannon was talking about when he was on real time, which I think is a reasonable thing to look for, is that quite possibly Bernie might face some of the deep state obstacles that Donald Trump faces as well.
There might be different types of things that are thrown at him.
I don't think it would be exactly like what was Trump, but I think he would be undermining.
There would be some fatigue for it.
And like, yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
So they'll, but they'll be creative.
They always are.
They have different options.
And, you know, let me say this.
Bernie Sanders is pushing 80, and he had a heart attack just a few months ago.
Let's not forget that.
And I'm just going to say, I wouldn't be shocked if something else with Bernie Sanders' health happens to come up in the next few months.
If he were to get into the general election and if he were to win, I just wouldn't be shocked if something were to happen.
Could be real easy and something nobody could really question, right?
It's already an 80-year-old who had one heart attack.
Maybe he has another one.
Maybe he ends up picking a fairly establishment Democrat as his running mate.
And all of a sudden, he's fucking out of the picture.
I just wouldn't be shocked.
Who'd you just guess would be his pick for VP?
Man, you know, it's a really tough one.
It's really tough.
It's really tough for me to think right now.
But usually what happens typically when there are these candidates, the closest we've ever had to kind of an outside of the mainstream approved person candidates, they end up with a real establishment VP.
That usually is the deal.
So maybe it would be Elizabeth Warren if they could patch things up or something like that.
I don't know.
I don't know.
It's hard for me to see who it would be.
I really haven't given that any thought.
John Kerry?
I don't know.
Oh, I couldn't picture John Kerry, but maybe that would be something.
Michelle Obama.
Oh, yeah.
Oprah.
Man, Oprah Bernie Sanders.
Fuck you.
I vote for that one.
That's fun.
Let's get weird.
Let's fucking do it.
All right.
Joe says, have you asked Gavin McGinnis to come on the show?
If not, why?
I asked Gavin a bunch of times to come on the show, but this was like years and years ago.
I always wanted to get Gavin on the show.
And he would have me on his show all the time.
My show was pretty small at the time.
Now, look how the tables have turned.
Gavin, now, I'd be happy to have Gavin on the show.
I would love to.
I haven't talked to Gavin in a long time.
I think I tried to fucking text Gavin and he didn't get back to me.
Maybe his number changed.
I don't know if I even have his right number anymore.
And, you know, Gavin's not on any social media or anything like that.
So I don't even fucking, I think I lost contact with him.
But I love Gavin.
He's a fucking hilarious, interesting dude.
I'd be down to talk to him.
Fucking got Nick Fuentes is coming back on the show on Wednesday.
So that'll be our next episode back with the dangerous Nick Fuentes.
Okay, we can take one more question.
Let me go through this one.
All right.
Sean says, can you get Tim Dylan and Nick Mullen on the show to talk about government pedo rings or just Mullen on to debate his socialism?
I mean, I'd be down to do that.
I had Tim Dylan on like a couple years ago.
And I'd always be down to have Tim on the show.
And I invited Nick on, but he didn't.
I didn't think he wanted to.
I didn't think Nick really wanted to come debate socialism versus libertarianism.
I respect Nick.
I think Nick is a fucking hilarious guy, a really fucking funny broadcaster, and he's great on his podcast, and he's fucking great as a guest on skanks and shit like that.
I think that, I'm just being completely honest, I think when he talks about libertarians, it's a very surface-level mischaracterization of what it is.
And I don't really think he's prepared to really fucking debate those things.
And which I, by the way, I get where he doesn't have to.
I think he's like a funny guy first.
And most comedians I know don't really want to get into this shit anyway.
And I totally get that.
So, I didn't think he would really want to, but I said something to him.
I did one of the last times I saw him, which is a while ago now.
I was like, hey, dude, if you ever want to come on part of the problem and like fucking talk about any of this shit, I'm happy to have you on.
But he didn't, you know, he didn't seem to really want to.
I forget exactly what he said, but he didn't say yes or no, but then he never responded to me, which is which is fine.
But sure, if him and Tim wanted to come on and talk about fucking some conspiracy shit, I'd be down to do that.
I know he knows, I think he knows a good amount about that stuff.
But anyway, all right, that's our show for today.
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