Part Of The Problem - Dave Smith - The Globalists Lose One
Aired: 2020-02-01
Duration: 01:42:14


=== Freedom To Be Weird (15:22) ===

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[00:01:21]  We need to roll back the state.
[00:01:23]  We spy on all of our own citizens.
[00:01:25]  Our prisons are flooded with nonviolent drug offenders.
[00:01:29]  If you want to know who America's next enemy is, look at who we're funding right now.
[00:01:34]  Every single one of these problems are a result of government being way too big.
[00:01:39]  You're listening to part of the problem on the Gas Digital Network.
[00:01:43]  Here's your host, James Smith.
[00:01:47]  What's up, everybody?
[00:01:49]  Welcome to a brand new episode.
[00:01:50]  You know what?
[00:01:51]  Leave the camera.
[00:01:52]  I'm going to move up a little bit.
[00:01:53]  I felt a little bit low there.
[00:01:55]  Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem.
[00:01:58]  I am Dave, the most Smith consistent motherfucker you know, and he is the king of the caulks, Robbie the Fire Bernstein.
[00:02:07]  What's up, brother?
[00:02:08]  Good to have you back.
[00:02:09]  Oh, it's great to be here.
[00:02:10]  The smell of hops in the air.
[00:02:11]  Yeah.
[00:02:12]  It's Friday.
[00:02:13]  Friday.
[00:02:14]  This is, you've moved on from the cappuccino.
[00:02:17]  You're back to the alcohol.
[00:02:19]  Yeah, Monday's cappuccinos.
[00:02:21]  Friday's boozing it up.
[00:02:23]  Wednesday is heroin.
[00:02:24]  Well, that's why I'm not here.
[00:02:25]  Thursday, pretty much recovery.
[00:02:27]  Pretty much a recovery day.
[00:02:30]  It's good to have you back.
[00:02:31]  Rob was out with the coronavirus on Wednesday, but he seems to be doing just fine.
[00:02:37]  I requested he wear one of those masks.
[00:02:40]  Do you see, by the way, in New York, you see all the Asians who put those masks on?
[00:02:43]  Oh, really?
[00:02:44]  Every time, I've seen it all over the place, on the subway, all over.
[00:02:47]  Every time there's one of these fucking viruses, the fucking Asians, I don't know which slice of Asian it is that does this.
[00:02:54]  So I don't want to fucking lump all the other Asians in together.
[00:02:57]  I'm sorry that you got stuck on a continent with these mask-wearing people, but it freaks me the fuck out.
[00:03:04]  Like, I understand they're probably just doing it to prevent...
[00:03:06]  From what I understand, it doesn't do much to prevent getting a virus to put one of those on.
[00:03:13]  I think it's good at keeping you from spreading to other people, I guess, because you're not breathing out as much.
[00:03:20]  But it freaks me the fuck out.
[00:03:22]  It's basically just announcing to everyone else on the train, like, I have the coronavirus.
[00:03:26]  Even though probably they don't.
[00:03:28]  I don't be taking the subways.
[00:03:29]  I don't.
[00:03:30]  I like how you said it like a black comic in the 90s.
[00:03:33]  I don't be taking the subways.
[00:03:36]  Can't take the subways.
[00:03:37]  All them Asians over there?
[00:03:38]  Asians with a mask?
[00:03:40]  Trying to get up on it, brother.
[00:03:42]  All right.
[00:03:43]  Well, we've got a nice show planned today.
[00:03:48]  We're going to take some listener questions.
[00:03:50]  You get scooped about the coronavirus at all?
[00:03:52]  No.
[00:03:54]  I'll be all right.
[00:03:55]  Feel like every few years, the fucking media just decides we need a virus to scare everyone with.
[00:04:02]  And then they start hyping it up.
[00:04:04]  And it's never as bad as they make it out like it's going to be.
[00:04:09]  And I don't know.
[00:04:12]  There's like a dozen cases in America or something like that.
[00:04:16]  It's like less than that.
[00:04:17]  I think there's like a couple hundred in China.
[00:04:19]  And who the fuck knows?
[00:04:20]  Because the Chinese government is so shady.
[00:04:23]  That's got to be the scariest thing in the world when the Chinese government rolls into your town to quarantine it.
[00:04:28]  Yeah.
[00:04:28]  No more leaving.
[00:04:30]  And that is shut down.
[00:04:32]  Yeah, that's got to be real scary.
[00:04:34]  Yeah.
[00:04:34]  Yeah.
[00:04:35]  No, I know people talk often about like infectious disease is one of the examples people use against libertarianism.
[00:04:43]  I think this was like one of Jon Stewart's points against libertarianism.
[00:04:47]  He put a thing out years ago, like 10 tough questions for libertarians or something like that, which really weren't very tough.
[00:04:53]  Stefan Molyneux did a great job responding to it.
[00:04:56]  But I think one of them was like, well, how do you deal with a plague or something like that?
[00:05:00]  And it's like, okay, fair enough.
[00:05:01]  I mean, like, that's a challenging thing to deal with.
[00:05:04]  Not that governments did such a great job dealing with it.
[00:05:07]  But then you're like, oh, okay, so you can come up with this fucking scary scenario and be like, I want the power of a state to fucking, you know, handle a plague or a virus or something like that.
[00:05:18]  And it's like, okay, yeah, in that one scenario, maybe you can paint a picture where like that would be nice.
[00:05:24]  But how do you like living with that in every other time?
[00:05:28]  Like now there's a government who has the authority to do this.
[00:05:31]  What do you think?
[00:05:32]  Every time except for during the plague, they just chill.
[00:05:35]  Like that's what you got over in fucking China.
[00:05:37]  And then, you know, it's like, oh, yeah, okay.
[00:05:41]  Well, they'll quarantine your whole fucking town, but it's pretty scary if you're in that fucking town.
[00:05:45]  And it's also pretty scary if you just try to Google the wrong word.
[00:05:49]  But theoretically, if you had a plague that wiped out all of humanity, let's just say theoretically, would you go retroactively?
[00:05:57]  We would have been better off with an oppressive government the whole way through?
[00:06:00]  No, I don't think so.
[00:06:02]  I mean, look, I don't know.
[00:06:03]  Maybe there is some scenario you can come up with where you're like, oh, a government would have been, you know, if somebody just owned all the fucking land, they would have.
[00:06:10]  But no, truthfully speaking, with these viruses, I mean, to me, I think the advantage of a completely private society would be that people can just exclude you off their fucking private, off their property.
[00:06:23]  They just be like, no, no one else is coming in.
[00:06:25]  And I think it'd be pretty easy to, even if there was like collectively owned property, to get the property owners to agree, like, yeah, we're not letting people in.
[00:06:33]  Whereas with the government, you have basically this like, these kind of like, it's like the tragedy of the commons, but it applied to a virus.
[00:06:41]  So it's like you have all these public, you know, highways, public streets, public areas where basically everyone's coming in.
[00:06:47]  And then you have this dilemma of like, well, what can the government actually do there to keep people out?
[00:06:51]  No, I mean, I think, I don't know.
[00:06:53]  I mean, I'm not a fucking doctor or scientist, but I think the idea of these things, if they're spreading, like if they're airborne or something like that, you want people who have it to be fucking secluded.
[00:07:06]  And I don't know.
[00:07:08]  I mean, if somebody wants to invite them onto their property, like, hey, all right, go for it.
[00:07:14]  But I certainly would be in the group of people who say, no, no.
[00:07:18]  But people can have whatever testing they want before they let people in their private property.
[00:07:22]  And there's not all this bureaucracy that you'd have to go through, you know?
[00:07:24]  There is something interesting, though, that these viruses seem to come from people either just doing something disgusting or weird.
[00:07:30]  Like fucking a monkey is weird.
[00:07:31]  Batsup and disgusting.
[00:07:32]  You're going to tell me that's disgusting and weird.
[00:07:34]  Have you ever tried bat soup?
[00:07:35]  I can't say that.
[00:07:36]  Well, then, okay.
[00:07:37]  So you're speaking from a place of ignorance.
[00:07:39]  But I take the Ace Vinter perspective that bats are just, you know, they're basically rats with wings.
[00:07:46]  Take that, you wombling patch of Satan!
[00:07:48]  I think they're actually even worse than rats with wings.
[00:07:50]  Oh, really?
[00:07:50]  Because they're like fucking...
[00:07:51]  Bats are fucking freaky, man.
[00:07:54]  They're like, there's something about them that you know, there's just some animals like snakes that you're just like, they're evil.
[00:08:00]  Like, they just lug it in, you just know you're like, like, and there's a reason why they represent evil.
[00:08:06]  Roaches are demon creatures.
[00:08:07]  You're not, you're not, you know.
[00:08:09]  And then you see a puppy and you're like, well, obviously, you were made by God.
[00:08:12]  And then you see a fucking bat and you're like, you were made by Satan.
[00:08:16]  Clearly.
[00:08:18]  I mean, like I said before, I'm not a scientist.
[00:08:20]  Yeah.
[00:08:21]  But I think this is pretty basic biology.
[00:08:24]  I think this, you'll learn this in Biology 101, which I never took.
[00:08:27]  But I'm pretty sure that's that's like day one.
[00:08:30]  Puppies were made by God.
[00:08:31]  Bats were made by Satan.
[00:08:33]  But I just, the anti-libertarian argument is somewhat like, hey, they're in the other corner of the world being weird.
[00:08:38]  It's their freedom to be weird.
[00:08:40]  But then when disease starts being born out of it, then you're like, oh, maybe we should stop these people from being weird, which I don't agree with.
[00:08:46]  But I will say it's a reasonable question.
[00:08:48]  Oh, I completely agree.
[00:08:50]  I think it is a reasonable question as well.
[00:08:51]  I just think that more or less what you'd want out of that situation is like, it's not like the existence of states really stops anyone from being weird anyway.
[00:08:59]  So what you'd want is just to be able to restrict them from where you are.
[00:09:02]  And then you could, if you want to get into like some next level thing, like if them doing what they did over there was actually coming over and infecting you.
[00:09:11]  Or you got to, then you've got an argument.
[00:09:13]  You monitor them online and see if anyone's like messaging a monkey, you know?
[00:09:16]  Yeah.
[00:09:16]  Just being on Facebook trying to befriend him.
[00:09:19]  What are you doing?
[00:09:20]  And then you got to Chris Hansen them.
[00:09:22]  Yeah.
[00:09:22]  Man, have a seat.
[00:09:23]  Did you send this monkey?
[00:09:25]  Hey, monkey, why don't you pop by for a little Netflix and chill?
[00:09:29]  What did that mean?
[00:09:30]  And I'd be like, I don't know what you're talking about.
[00:09:32]  I just came over with cookies and condoms.
[00:09:33]  I just wanted to make sure he wouldn't hang out with other people that wanted to fuck a monkey.
[00:09:37]  Oh, do you ever see that on fucking Chris Hansen's shit where they would, that would be like a fairly common defense where they're like, no, I'm just out there.
[00:09:45]  Like, I'm doing your job.
[00:09:47]  Like, I'm just out there.
[00:09:48]  You're like, so why'd you come over here?
[00:09:49]  It goes, well, I just wanted to tell us you can't be meeting guys on the internet like that.
[00:09:52]  Like, you know, you're going to get in trouble.
[00:09:54]  And they're like, and you brought condoms.
[00:09:56]  And he's like, what?
[00:09:58]  Yeah.
[00:09:59]  I did.
[00:10:00]  Those were for myself.
[00:10:01]  Keep the cookies fresh.
[00:10:02]  I wrap them up.
[00:10:02]  Double wrap.
[00:10:03]  You know a better container?
[00:10:05]  Oh, there's nothing beautiful about that show.
[00:10:08]  I mean, you know, disgusting, but there's something amazing about dealing, just seeing someone who's on the spot caught in the worst situation.
[00:10:16]  And what type of bullshit you can weave right now?
[00:10:20]  Fucking.
[00:10:21]  I always fad mixed feelings about that show, though.
[00:10:23]  I met that guy, Chris Hansen, once.
[00:10:24]  I did Kumia's show with him.
[00:10:27]  And fucking with Artie Lang and Anthony Coomio.
[00:10:30]  It was fucking so much fun because Artie Lang was just, dude, he was just fucking pissing them off so much.
[00:10:36]  Like he was just making fun of him and shitting on him.
[00:10:37]  It was so fucking hilarious.
[00:10:39]  It's one of the old Anthony Cumia show episodes.
[00:10:41]  It's out there somewhere.
[00:10:42]  I mean, it's behind a paywall, but I don't know if there's like clips of it out or whatever.
[00:10:48]  But there was always something about that show that kind of rubbed me the wrong way.
[00:10:51]  Like he was a sleazebag too.
[00:10:53]  Like obviously the guys were sleazy, but there was something about it.
[00:10:56]  Like you're kind of look, I don't know.
[00:11:00]  Obviously, anyone who would ever prey on a child, you want to see them fucking removed from society in any way, you know?
[00:11:08]  But you start to wonder with that show, like, what percentage of these guys were actually ever going to prey on a child?
[00:11:14]  And what percentage of them did you just entrap into some situation that probably never would have happened?
[00:11:21]  Because they would literally go after guys and they'd be the fucking aggressive, like they'd be the one like, hey, I'm 14.
[00:11:29]  I'm home alone.
[00:11:30]  Come over.
[00:11:31]  Do this.
[00:11:31]  And you're almost like going after guys who are just online fucking weirdos and trying to convince them to come over.
[00:11:37]  Now, don't get me wrong.
[00:11:38]  I'm not letting them off the hook.
[00:11:39]  They came and there's something that's a really weird, bold move to come over to a child's house bold.
[00:11:45]  I'm speaking like AOC now.
[00:11:47]  That's fucking evil and creepy.
[00:11:49]  But you're almost like, I don't know.
[00:11:51]  If you're telling me the concern, it's not like the situation is kids are out there and someone's preying on them.
[00:11:57]  The situation is your 14-year-old is going online trolling for older dick, and then that's when the guy comes over.
[00:12:03]  It's like, it's just a little bit weird.
[00:12:06]  Like, how many...
[00:12:07]  And he brought cookies.
[00:12:08]  And he does, they always bring cookies.
[00:12:10]  It's not an all-bad experience.
[00:12:11]  Very weird.
[00:12:12]  Very weird.
[00:12:12]  They almost always bring a little something with them.
[00:12:16]  Anyway, I'm not, you know, I don't have any sympathy for those guys.
[00:12:18]  Fuck them.
[00:12:19]  But I also always felt like he was kind of a scumbag and he'd use this moment to kind of grandstand.
[00:12:23]  I always have a little bit of suspicion about those people.
[00:12:26]  Like, I think he might be doing something weird with kids.
[00:12:29]  I think that guy who hosts America's Most Wanted has killed some people before.
[00:12:34]  I always think everyone who's out there just putting themselves out is like, I'm Mr. against, you know, crime.
[00:12:42]  What the fuck's going on?
[00:12:43]  It's like the congressman is leading the charge against gay marriage and then you find him in a bathroom stall blowing a dude.
[00:12:50]  Anyway, okay, so to start today's show, first thing I want to talk about, because you know me, I always love this stuff.
[00:12:57]  There was a someone, I don't even know the context to this or what it was about, but someone posted this and said, this will be good fodder for the next part of the problem episode.
[00:13:07]  And I concurred.
[00:13:09]  So this was a video that was posted.
[00:13:12]  You know I love these moments.
[00:13:13]  Nancy Pelosi in 2014, I believe.
[00:13:17]  That's all the setup I got for you.
[00:13:19]  Let's take it away.
[00:13:20]  There are many very patriotic Americans who are engaged in the intelligence community for years, decades now.
[00:13:30]  I have saluted their service.
[00:13:32]  Wherever the decision is, whether it's from the administration, as was the case and the Bush administration, to withhold information from Congress, I fought that.
[00:13:43]  But you don't fight it without a price because they come after you.
[00:13:48]  And they don't always tell the truth about it.
[00:13:51]  There are many.
[00:13:52]  All right.
[00:13:52]  So there's Nancy Pelosi somehow looking 20 years older than she does today.
[00:13:59]  It is weird the way you age when you don't have a soul.
[00:14:03]  But again, what an interesting statement.
[00:14:06]  And, you know, before the Donald Trump days, people almost forget that before this current crazy political climate that we're in, where there's all this stuff on social media and all over the internet and Donald Trump is out there and the kind of term deep state has really been mainstreamed, that this type of stuff really wasn't talked about that much.
[00:14:34]  If you were just reading the New York Times or watching CNN for most of my life, you know, the CIA, not to say it never came up, but it was kind of treated as like a really irrelevant, you know, thing.
[00:14:47]  Like, yeah, yeah, it's there.
[00:14:48]  They're good, fine men and women and they have some information.
[00:14:51]  That's what they do.
[00:14:51]  They gather information, you know?
[00:14:54]  But now it's kind of out in the open and everybody's talking about it.
[00:14:59]  And there's just something amazing.
[00:15:01]  Like you're like, wow, how did that, right?
[00:15:04]  Think about this.
[00:15:05]  And this is just where the different priorities and the different way like that people cover the news and stuff like that.
[00:15:10]  Think about that story.
[00:15:13]  If you believed in honest journalism or anything like that, shouldn't that, like, I don't even, I pay attention to this shit for a living.

=== The Deep State Operative (04:38) ===

[00:15:22]  I don't even remember this clip.
[00:15:24]  I don't even know what it's in context to.
[00:15:25]  She's talking about the Bush administration, something about that.
[00:15:29]  Shouldn't that have been like national news?
[00:15:32]  If you were like, wait a minute, the Speaker of the House, or maybe former Speaker at that point, I'm not sure.
[00:15:36]  But this was after her first speakership.
[00:15:39]  The Speaker of the House is telling you that if she tries to expose wrongdoing by intel agencies, they come out and spread lies about her.
[00:15:50]  That's a big fucking story.
[00:15:52]  I mean, we're supposed to be a democratic republic where the people, you know, rule through their elected representatives or whatever the bullshit, however, the bullshit goes.
[00:16:01]  And then you're just like, oh, but then we have these shadowy fucking spy agencies that will try to fucking slander you if you if you cross them.
[00:16:11]  Pretty, pretty fucking amazing.
[00:16:12]  Like so many of I love these little nuggets and moments where you're like, okay, I mean, I know like you can say, like, oh, you know, Dave's being conspiratorial or something, but here they are admitting it, just telling you, this is how it works.
[00:16:26]  Rob, are you now?
[00:16:28]  Or have you ever been a member of the CIA?
[00:16:30]  I have not.
[00:16:30]  No, because you'd be the perfect guy for them to fucking hire to try to fucking undermine me.
[00:16:35]  You know, there's a price tag.
[00:16:39]  I am for sale.
[00:16:40]  I have very little values and I really like money and don't like being poor.
[00:16:46]  So as long as you're not going to throw Dave in jail or do anything too shitty, I'll play ball.
[00:16:51]  All right.
[00:16:51]  Fair enough.
[00:16:52]  Well, there you go.
[00:16:53]  I got to pick my circle a little bit better.
[00:16:55]  The problem with that is like every movie with the mob.
[00:16:58]  It always starts out.
[00:16:58]  We just want you to monitor.
[00:17:00]  But then once you're in, you know, by the end of it, you end up killed and you did something really shitty along the way.
[00:17:05]  Yeah.
[00:17:05]  So it's true.
[00:17:06]  I got your back, buddy.
[00:17:07]  Oh, good.
[00:17:08]  Look at that.
[00:17:08]  Rob talked himself out of stabbing me in the back.
[00:17:11]  It's good to know.
[00:17:12]  Oh, but isn't it fucking interesting?
[00:17:14]  And then I'll tell you, I see like fucking libertarians.
[00:17:18]  And by the way, oh, it drives me fucking crazy.
[00:17:20]  But the Libertarian Party, their Twitter page has been, it's, you know, I try to fucking help the Libertarian Party.
[00:17:27]  I just, I have to slap them around sometimes a little bit.
[00:17:30]  But it's out of love, you know?
[00:17:32]  It's like you're fucking...
[00:17:33]  Like, first I got rid of your shitty chairman.
[00:17:35]  Now I'm what more do you want from me?
[00:17:38]  Okay.
[00:17:38]  But they're tweeting whoever runs their Twitter.
[00:17:40]  It's like fucking, it's definitely more than one person because sometimes they'll have some tweets where you're like, right on, great fucking job.
[00:17:46]  And then they'll have some tweets like, what the fuck are you talking about?
[00:17:49]  It's like, who, who let Nick Sarr walk in charge of the fucking Twitter handle again?
[00:17:52]  Keep him away from it.
[00:17:54]  But they're tweeting out about how it's an outrage that they're not calling witnesses and for this to be a fair, a fair fucking, you know, impeachment.
[00:18:03]  We need to hear from all these different witnesses and all this shit.
[00:18:06]  And you're like, dude, how could anyone be a libertarian?
[00:18:10]  And I don't care how moderate of a libertarian you claim to be.
[00:18:14]  Like, you don't have to be a radical anarchist like myself.
[00:18:17]  You don't have to be a fucking, you know, just like your standard run of the mill.
[00:18:22]  I believe in kind of maximum freedom, only government intervention where necessary.
[00:18:27]  You know what I mean?
[00:18:28]  And whatever, like basic, the most basic mainstream libertarian, like Milton Friedmanite person, okay?
[00:18:37]  But your thing is kind of pointing out that generally speaking, the private sector does a better job than the government, than the public sector does, right?
[00:18:47]  That's like generally your thing.
[00:18:48]  So generally your theme is like, let's try to roll back the state.
[00:18:52]  Let's make, you know, I don't care how moderate about it you are.
[00:18:56]  How do you not see something like that Nancy Pelosi clip and go, oh, that's what we're battling?
[00:19:02]  It's not just as simple as like some government program we don't like.
[00:19:06]  It's like, oh, there's this secret cabal of spies who fucking will try to like ruin anyone who steps out of line.
[00:19:14]  Like, how, how do you not, how could you be a libertarian and not be kind of interested in the deep state?
[00:19:21]  It's the part of the state that nobody sees.
[00:19:23]  And now more and more people see them, but it's the part of the state that's secret.
[00:19:26]  Like, how could you not be interested in that?
[00:19:28]  And then when there's a fucking deep state operative whistleblower, you know, starts this whole impeachment thing.
[00:19:35]  How could you just blindly take their fucking side?
[00:19:38]  Yes, I'm on the side of the secret fucking organization that won't show me any of their fucking intelligence, won't even tell me who this fucking whistleblower is, won't tell me what was going on, what led to this.
[00:19:49]  And oh, by the way, anytime they do show you their intelligence, two years later, we find out they were just lying to us.
[00:19:57]  Who could be for that?
[00:19:59]  Come on, Libertarian Party.

=== Supporting Infinite CBD (03:37) ===

[00:20:01]  And by the way, of course, Jacob Hornberger is fucking perfect on this.
[00:20:05]  Perfect on this issue.
[00:20:06]  He got on Judge Napolitano's show on Fox Nation a few weeks back.
[00:20:10]  And the first thing, that's why I love him.
[00:20:12]  This is why I'm like enthusiastically supporting him.
[00:20:14]  The first thing he starts talking about, because they talked about the, it was when the shit in Iran was going on and that, you know, the judge was asking him about, you know, President Trump approving the assassination of Salamani.
[00:20:24]  And he's like, well, we've been doing secret assassinations for fucking decades now.
[00:20:28]  This is how our country runs.
[00:20:30]  The fucking CIA goes out and does secret assassinations all over the fucking world.
[00:20:33]  And like right away just starts getting into that.
[00:20:35]  And when they ask him about the impeachment, he's right away just like, and he's like very, very critical of Trump in the best way possible, like critical of his corruption, his wars, his spending, all that shit.
[00:20:46]  But then he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I know what this fucking impeachment is.
[00:20:49]  This is a CIA hitchhiker.
[00:20:51]  That's what this is.
[00:20:52]  It's just like what the Mueller report was.
[00:20:54]  It's just perfect.
[00:20:56]  Okay.
[00:20:57]  Anyway, just thought I'd open the show by playing that because I love clips like that.
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=== Why We Stayed In (03:25) ===

[00:23:39]  We're plugging new date on the calendar.
[00:23:41]  It'll be in the episode description, but we're going to be in Rochester, New York at the Comedy at the Carlson Saturday, May 2nd.
[00:23:49]  We're going to be doing both a live stand-up show followed by a live podcast.
[00:23:53]  Fuck yeah.
[00:23:54]  Boston sold out.
[00:23:55]  You slept on that one.
[00:23:56]  Philadelphia, tickets still on sale.
[00:23:58]  February 21st, Philadelphia.
[00:24:01]  Yeah.
[00:24:01]  Come on out.
[00:24:02]  And February 14th and 15th.
[00:24:04]  I'll be skiing.
[00:24:05]  I'm skiing with some fans and doing some shows up at Steamboat.
[00:24:10]  So come hang out.
[00:24:11]  There we go.
[00:24:12]  All right.
[00:24:13]  So if you do become a supporting listener, by the way, you get into the Facebook inner circle.
[00:24:16]  We're going to take some of their questions.
[00:24:17]  But the other thing that I wanted to mention before we get into that was the Brexit.
[00:24:26]  The great Brexit is finally happening.
[00:24:30]  Oh, so things must have really fallen apart.
[00:24:32]  Yeah, right.
[00:24:33]  I mean, years, the drama of that this was going to lay into a financial collapse of England and that there would be no more trade.
[00:24:40]  And because if they left, that was it.
[00:24:42]  They can't talk to you.
[00:24:43]  You want to break up with me?
[00:24:44]  I'm not talking any more.
[00:24:45]  Well, it is really something that it's fucking, I think it's almost four years later.
[00:24:51]  Took a long time.
[00:24:52]  Took a long fucking time.
[00:24:53]  Get rid of that motherfucker.
[00:24:55]  The people vote that you want to fucking leave.
[00:24:57]  And then they're just like, hmm, okay.
[00:25:00]  We'll think about it.
[00:25:01]  And they slow rolled it.
[00:25:03]  And from what I understand.
[00:25:04]  They didn't just slow roll it.
[00:25:05]  They kept saying, listen, if we leave, it's going to be a nightmare.
[00:25:08]  You guys don't really want us to leave.
[00:25:10]  Right.
[00:25:10]  You don't really want us to leave.
[00:25:11]  And then they put up to a vote for again, and then they voted for that Jolly Roger-looking dude.
[00:25:16]  Right.
[00:25:16]  Well, from what I understand, before these last elections, there was talk of another referendum, which was just fucking hilarious because there's no, like, there's no justification.
[00:25:26]  It's just like, well, we don't think you made the right vote, so let's vote again.
[00:25:29]  But the polling was even stronger for Brexit for leaving than before.
[00:25:34]  And then after these elections, they were like, okay, well, it's just obvious the will of the people.
[00:25:38]  And then there's this interesting dynamic that happens where it's like a lot of people, I'd imagine, I don't really know, you know, I don't exactly have my finger on the pulse of UK politics.
[00:25:48]  They just didn't want Syrians in their country.
[00:25:49]  Well, that you don't need your finger on the pulse of anyone for that.
[00:25:53]  Even Iraqis don't want Syrians in their country.
[00:25:56]  But they caused a lot of problems.
[00:26:00]  But there's something to the dynamic where, let's say, you were like on the fence, okay, about Brexit.
[00:26:06]  Maybe you even voted to stay, but you were like on the fence.
[00:26:09]  Maybe you didn't vote.
[00:26:10]  Maybe you voted to stay, but you were, we weren't sure about it.
[00:26:13]  And then they win, you know, and then the politicians aren't enacting the will of the people.
[00:26:17]  And they're like, oh, we should, you know what I mean?
[00:26:19]  Like, we're going to stay.
[00:26:20]  Then you're kind of almost like, even if you're just for democracy, you're kind of like, well, no, no, no, no.
[00:26:25]  This was the will of the people.
[00:26:27]  So you kind of got to fucking leave now because you asked us for our vote and we voted.
[00:26:32]  And I thought the idea was you work for us.
[00:26:34]  So anyway, the people wanted to leave.
[00:26:36]  Four years later, now they're going to get to leave.
[00:26:38]  This is a very exciting, man.
[00:26:40]  There's something.
[00:26:41]  It almost obviously it's not on the same level as like the collapse of the Soviet Union or something like that.
[00:26:48]  But I was, I don't know, what was I like seven years old when the Soviet Union collapsed?
[00:26:53]  You were alive for that?
[00:26:55]  Yeah, so were you?
[00:26:56]  No, I wasn't.
[00:26:56]  What year were you born?
[00:26:58]  I mean, 88, so maybe I wasn't alive.
[00:27:01]  He was in 1990.
[00:27:02]  I didn't even know there was a Soviet Russia.

=== Brexit And Immigration (15:23) ===

[00:27:04]  Well, yes.
[00:27:05]  First career about that right now.
[00:27:06]  Okay, well, I understand.
[00:27:08]  But, you know, you weren't very young.
[00:27:10]  I was young too.
[00:27:10]  It's not like I was paying attention.
[00:27:11]  Although I do actually have this memory of being at my grandmother's house and my grandmother and my grandfather watching it on television and my grandfather being like, this is the most historic, like unbelievable thing.
[00:27:23]  Like, this is just insane.
[00:27:25]  And then me being like, you know, put cartoons on.
[00:27:28]  But which is the appropriate response for a kid that age, I think.
[00:27:32]  It would have been fucking, you know, it would have been weirder if I was like way into it.
[00:27:37]  I was like, I don't know.
[00:27:38]  Where are those nuclear weapons going to be stored?
[00:27:39]  Even like the exorcist.
[00:27:41]  Yeah, right.
[00:27:42]  But so, but this is, you know, this is a pretty, we, we've been living in this world of globalization for at least the last, you know, 25 years.
[00:27:56]  And this is a big movement in the other direction.
[00:28:00]  I mean, you know, when they used to talk about, you know, people who were into conspiracy stuff, they would always talk about this push for one world government, right?
[00:28:08]  This was like Alex Jones' big thing for a long time.
[00:28:11]  And no question, there was something to that.
[00:28:14]  World government was always a plan, or maybe not always, but has been a plan going back at least 100 years.
[00:28:22]  I mean, like, it's not like a coincidence that after the end of World War, right, Woodrow Wilson pushed for us to be in the precursor to the United Nations, the League of Nations, they called it.
[00:28:34]  And that got rejected.
[00:28:35]  It got voted down by Congress, I believe.
[00:28:37]  But they always want, it's like, oh, well, we want a world war.
[00:28:40]  Well, now let's form these world government organizations.
[00:28:42]  And there are all these kind of like, you know, all of these moves in that direction.
[00:28:46]  Obviously, the United Nations being a big one, NATO being a big one, the fucking, you know, IMF.
[00:28:53]  Yeah, the IMF, absolutely.
[00:28:55]  That's still in play.
[00:28:56]  Yes.
[00:28:57]  Oh, absolutely.
[00:28:57]  And it's a major force, you know, like a major force.
[00:29:00]  World Bank.
[00:29:01]  Yes, yes.
[00:29:01]  SDR currency.
[00:29:03]  Yeah.
[00:29:04]  No, this is, and this has been, you know, these have been the trends.
[00:29:08]  And then you have the European Union, which in many ways is possibly the biggest of all of them.
[00:29:14]  Like to be like, whoa, well, we're actually forming this union, which look, a union and a nation state, if you will, not a nation in the organic sense, but a union and a nation state are, you know, it's a little bit fuzzy where the line begins.
[00:29:31]  I mean, a union, just keep this in mind, is what the United States of America was supposed to be.
[00:29:36]  A union.
[00:29:37]  Like we're these different states who are united together in this union.
[00:29:41]  That's why they would say the southern states wanted to leave the union.
[00:29:44]  You know, like that's the idea.
[00:29:46]  But now, these days, we just don't even think of the 50 states as states, really.
[00:29:51]  I mean, the term states just means that, but we're one nation state, the United States of America.
[00:29:58]  And this seemed to be the direction.
[00:30:00]  And I think this was the plan all along of where the European Union was going.
[00:30:04]  Well, all of the sudden, your country, like, like, when do you stop becoming a nation state?
[00:30:10]  When George Soros forces too many Muslims within your borders.
[00:30:13]  Well, that might be the answer.
[00:30:15]  But look, I mean, if you can't control, if you don't control your borders, if you don't control your tax policy, if you don't control your regulation, your regulatory policy, at what point are you just kind of a sub-state of the big nation state?
[00:30:29]  Also, when Greece and Italy print too much debt because they're basically freeloading off of German's currency power.
[00:30:35]  Yeah.
[00:30:36]  And as a couple of Jews, there's something that makes you a little bit nervous when Germany is paying the bills for all of Europe.
[00:30:43]  We've seen that lead in some bad directions in the past.
[00:30:47]  So, you know, it's like, it's really no wonder.
[00:30:51]  So the funny thing is, I could understand why some elites would want a European Union.
[00:30:57]  I mean, that's not very hard, you know, to understand, like, you know.
[00:31:01]  But, of course, it's just in the same way that, you know, it's like, which is the thing that like most Americans never fucking seem to get that, you know, you have this fucking split, which is, I mean, I know it's like just been talked about to death on this show, but there's such a split in America between kind of like the people who hate big government and the people who hate big business.
[00:31:23]  And those are kind of like the ones pitted against each other, right?
[00:31:26]  Like the left-wing people talk about big business and then the right-wing people will talk about big government.
[00:31:30]  And this is, this dynamic has changed a little bit, particularly on the right.
[00:31:33]  It's the same thing.
[00:31:34]  But dummies?
[00:31:34]  Well, that's the thing.
[00:31:35]  It's like, how fucking, like, like, how simple is it and obvious that no, it seems like no one just ever really like addresses it.
[00:31:42]  But it's like, okay, big business loves big government.
[00:31:46]  Why do you think they keep backing the candidates who vote for bigger and bigger government?
[00:31:50]  Like, it's obvious.
[00:31:52]  There's nothing, as Scott Horton said it once, he goes, there's nothing a billionaire loves more than welfare, it turns out.
[00:31:59]  But so, and pretty much every billionaire in the fucking country is on welfare of one sort or another.
[00:32:06]  But so, you know, anyway, so I understand why elites would want the European Union.
[00:32:11]  But the thing that's just crazy to me is why I can't believe they only got 52% of the vote to leave.
[00:32:17]  I mean, why would regular people in England say, yeah, I think instead of me getting to vote for a representative who decides policy, I'd rather it be like some bureaucrats in Brussels just deciding what kind of stove I can have.
[00:32:38]  I think most of the people who are in favor of it, I'm really talking above my pay grade here, but a lot of it just has to do with farmers who don't live in actual like England.
[00:32:46]  I think it's more Ireland that want to be able to export to the European countries.
[00:32:51]  And their fear is that I guess...
[00:32:53]  There'll be tariffs or something like that.
[00:32:55]  Yeah.
[00:32:56]  I think it's mostly exporters to make sure that they have easy access to these other areas.
[00:33:01]  I think there's definitely some of that.
[00:33:02]  I also think that what ended up being a thing is that a lot of the people who voted for Brexit were that they wanted to be able to have immigration controls.
[00:33:12]  That's the biggest thing.
[00:33:13]  And then the other side is like, well, you're the racist ones for wanting that.
[00:33:18]  So we're voting anti-racist for a European Union or something along those lines.
[00:33:22]  I think, again, just like you kind of disclaimed your statement, I'm not claiming to have any like expert understanding of the cultural or political dynamics in the UK.
[00:33:35]  But I do think it's a really interesting, you know, like it's a big deal that a major country like this is leaving the European Union.
[00:33:44]  And now that they're actually leaving, I, you know, this could potentially be something that if they can work out decent, you know, agreements and they can actually thrive and everything works out well, this could potentially be a game changer where it really encourages other countries to be like, hey, yeah, you can secede.
[00:34:02]  And even other areas, you know, even sub nations, you know, like other provinces or states or whatever, you know, in the way that we use the term states in this country.
[00:34:13]  Maybe it can encourage them.
[00:34:14]  It's like, yeah, there's nothing wrong with that.
[00:34:16]  There's nothing wrong with having more localized control, more representative government.
[00:34:20]  You know, I'd rather have no government, but still preferable.
[00:34:23]  And actually having more influence on your own decision making.
[00:34:28]  And by the way, don't forget how dramatic they were being in selling that if the UK leaves the European Union, it will be an absolute disaster.
[00:34:36]  Which, by the way, I could tell was bullshit because how can you tell me that this group of people that don't want to belong to some fictional organization aren't allowed to have their own countries?
[00:34:45]  That's insane.
[00:34:45]  Like, wait, did you go to war and conquer these people that they have to exist in this organization that they'd rather not be a part of?
[00:34:52]  No, that's a great point that you make that you are literally treating them how historically a people who were conquered would be treated and nobody fucking conquered you.
[00:35:02]  So that's, I mean, that's a really, that's a really like astute way to frame it because that is historically how it would work, right?
[00:35:08]  Like you'd get conquered and now you're a part of the fucking Roman Empire.
[00:35:11]  Deal with it, bitch.
[00:35:12]  Like that's your life.
[00:35:14]  Which, you know, might have been better for you.
[00:35:16]  But that was a different time.
[00:35:17]  Anyway, the point is that this is, you're absolutely right.
[00:35:21]  They made it out like in the same way that Don Lemon was laughing at all the fucking Trump supporters the other day.
[00:35:27]  They made it out like only idiots and racists wanted to secede because all the smart people are telling you that this will be a fucking disaster.
[00:35:35]  And now let's see.
[00:35:37]  It's amazing to me.
[00:35:38]  And there's so much of this, man.
[00:35:39]  And it's something about social psychology or just psychology in general where people really, especially a certain type of person, they really get influenced by like just being told, well, if you're a smart person, you'll feel this way.
[00:35:55]  Only the dumb people feel this way.
[00:35:56]  And then they go, oh, yeah, well, I'm smart.
[00:35:58]  So I feel this way with you.
[00:35:59]  You know, it's like whatever it is.
[00:36:01]  Like climate change is a great example of that.
[00:36:03]  Oh, well, only smart people.
[00:36:04]  I mean, you believe in science, right?
[00:36:06]  It's like, oh, yeah, I believe in God.
[00:36:07]  You know, nine out of 10 of the people you know who are like, you know, big like climate change, you know, advocates or whatever, they've never fucking read anything about climate change.
[00:36:16]  They just go, well, yeah, I've been told the smart people believe this.
[00:36:19]  So that's what I believe.
[00:36:20]  That's it.
[00:36:22]  Another one that, of course, you know, we did several podcasts about, which, and again, you go, you never get the fucking apology for it or anything, but was the fucking net neutrality thing.
[00:36:32]  That was so amazing to me how they were able to actually whip up genuine organic, maybe organic is the wrong word, but real support for keeping net neutrality in place.
[00:36:42]  Like there was real support, like real human beings who I know.
[00:36:45]  It's not just like bots, like real people I know were like, oh, the internet as we know it will be over if we repeal net neutrality.
[00:36:52]  And when we were doing these episodes and we were like, no, I'm telling you, this is not true.
[00:36:55]  This is not going to happen.
[00:36:57]  There's absolutely no reason to think this is going to happen.
[00:36:59]  And it got repealed.
[00:37:01]  And we're all still here.
[00:37:04]  The internet as we know it, in fact, continued to exist.
[00:37:07]  By the way, that was Bernie Sanders.
[00:37:09]  He also said the internet as we know it will be gone.
[00:37:13]  Never feels the need to go like, hey, you know, I got that one wrong.
[00:37:16]  You know, it's like, I just don't see that on our side.
[00:37:21]  Like, I know there's a lot of people, like, I know, look, Peter Schiff, Bob Murphy, a lot of these guys predicted that inflation would be much worse right now than it is.
[00:37:29]  But even they'll be like, okay, well, I was wrong about that.
[00:37:31]  And here's what I think I missed.
[00:37:32]  Like, I didn't know that the whole world was going to do quantitative easing at the same time.
[00:37:36]  And here's why I think there's going to be problems in the future.
[00:37:39]  But they just don't.
[00:37:39]  They never knew there was so much slave labor in China and that Amazon would be so efficient at bringing their goods over here that we wouldn't actually track inflation because stuff is so cheap.
[00:37:48]  Well, that's, look, there's a lot of different.
[00:37:49]  I've never known that.
[00:37:50]  But there's a lot of different factors.
[00:37:51]  But my point is just that Bernie Sanders never even addresses it or gets asked.
[00:37:57]  Like no one ever goes, hey, you know, you said two years ago the internet would be over as we knew it.
[00:38:02]  So like, what's up with that?
[00:38:04]  He doesn't even have grandkids.
[00:38:05]  You know that?
[00:38:07]  His dick doesn't work.
[00:38:09]  Bernie Sanders is a virgin.
[00:38:10]  You heard it here.
[00:38:11]  You heard it here first.
[00:38:12]  Anyway, very interesting to see.
[00:38:14]  And I wish the UK all the best in their future endeavors.
[00:38:21]  By the way, I'm no fan of their fucking government either, but I'd prefer that to a European Union, for God's sakes.
[00:38:30]  So what's the point of having a European Union if you're not going to keep brown Muslims out?
[00:38:34]  The whole point of a European Union is, hey, we're going to do the white thing.
[00:38:36]  You're telling me a whole bunch of white countries get together just to become Africa?
[00:38:40]  Yeah, that doesn't make any sense.
[00:38:41]  You're supposed to be Europeans.
[00:38:43]  Yeah, really.
[00:38:43]  That's what being Europe is all about.
[00:38:45]  Yeah, really.
[00:38:46]  Yeah.
[00:38:46]  Okay.
[00:38:47]  So the other thing I just want to mention quickly, and then we can start taking some questions, was just that it looks like now.
[00:38:53]  And I literally just got a news alert about this very briefly.
[00:38:58]  Are we breaking live news right now?
[00:39:00]  Well, not really.
[00:39:02]  But Britain has officially left the European Union, by the way.
[00:39:05]  That's official.
[00:39:07]  But that it looks like McConnell has the votes to deny any further witnesses, which means that this impeachment trial could be wrapping up in the next week or so.
[00:39:22]  And yeah, Donald Trump's not going to get removed.
[00:39:25]  Shocker.
[00:39:26]  I'm no fan of Donald Trump.
[00:39:27]  I'm no fan of Mitch McConnell.
[00:39:29]  But how cool is Mitch McConnell that just very quietly, like while everyone else is being a loudmouth and they're getting on the news every day, screaming, hollering, and sounding articulate, using good sales tactics, that guy's grumbly.
[00:39:41]  You can barely understand him.
[00:39:44]  Well, I just don't think Donald Trump sounds like that guy in Pet Cemetery.
[00:39:47]  Sometimes Trump is better.
[00:39:50]  But you don't even see or hear from him and then he just wins.
[00:39:53]  He's just quietly behind the scenes getting his way.
[00:39:55]  He, every now and then, Mitch McConnell, and I'm no fan, as you, as you said, but every now and then he'll just do something that you're like, oh, he is kind of politically savvy.
[00:40:04]  I loved my one of my favorite political moments of the last year was when he called for them to vote on the Green New Deal.
[00:40:12]  That was fucking hilarious.
[00:40:14]  Also, the AOC proposed it and he goes, oh, absolutely.
[00:40:17]  Let's have a vote on that.
[00:40:18]  Let's tear down 100 million buildings.
[00:40:21]  Sounds reasonable.
[00:40:21]  Who wants to vote?
[00:40:22]  Who wants to put their name on that?
[00:40:24]  And they were all like, you can't demand we vote on the page.
[00:40:28]  This is outrageous.
[00:40:30]  Supreme Court stuff was great too, where he wouldn't allow the vote in the end of the Obama one.
[00:40:34]  And then he just, he's slick, man.
[00:40:36]  Yeah, he is a slick politician.
[00:40:39]  But yeah, so anyway, look, I understand.
[00:40:41]  I did.
[00:40:42]  I was on record saying I had no problem with the witnesses coming.
[00:40:46]  I mean, just as a spectator, I was like, well, if they want to get fucking Bolton, these Republicans are going to get Hunter Biden.
[00:40:56]  And whoo, that's three podcasts right there.
[00:40:59]  Fuck yeah.
[00:40:59]  Let's get Hunter Biden to come testify, you know?
[00:41:02]  Like, and so just for the fucking entertainment value and for the content.
[00:41:06]  I mean, after all, I am a content creator.
[00:41:08]  Okay, sure.
[00:41:09]  I would have loved to have that.
[00:41:11]  However, I completely understand where somebody would be like, look, you had this whole fucking House trial.
[00:41:18]  You could have fucking called Bolton.
[00:41:20]  You could have had other witnesses if you wanted to.
[00:41:23]  You had these boring academics drone on about how Trump is bad.
[00:41:27]  And, you know, like, there's no, you have no new evidence to present.
[00:41:31]  We've seen the evidence and there's nothing.
[00:41:33]  This is but this is like insane.
[00:41:36]  Even if you felt like Trump was doing something wrong, maybe you wanted to contest it in the courts or something like that.
[00:41:40]  But to impeach and remove a president, to say we are going to do something that we've never done in the history of this country, impeach and remove a president.
[00:41:52]  And why?
[00:41:53]  For abuse of power.
[00:41:56]  Like, and what's the abuse of power?
[00:41:58]  Well, he thought about using military aid to try to get Ukraine to investigate Burisma.
[00:42:08]  And he was only doing that because that would damage the guy he's running against in the primaries or in the or that could be the guy he's running against in the general election.
[00:42:22]  And even though he didn't actually do it, he thought about doing it.
[00:42:25]  And that's still bad.
[00:42:26]  And like, what?

=== Abuse Of Power Explained (04:05) ===

[00:42:27]  I mean, the Constitution is like treason, fucking something else, high, other high crimes and misdemeanors.
[00:42:34]  Like, come on.
[00:42:35]  This is just, this is ridiculous that that would rise to the level of the first ever.
[00:42:41]  This is unprecedented.
[00:42:43]  I mean, sure, you know, other presidents have lied us into war and, you know, knowingly shipped drugs into the country while we're prosecuting a war on drugs.
[00:42:53]  And that sure they've, you know, like, you know, whatever, like repealed the Fourth Amendment, repealed the Second Amendment, repealed the First Amendment and all, you know, in all like in effect.
[00:43:07]  Sure, all of those things.
[00:43:08]  But here, I mean, there's not one fucking, you know, amendment in the Bill of Rights that you can't find a president has violated just outrageously.
[00:43:18]  But none of those do it.
[00:43:20]  It's just this thinking about using foreign aid to try to get someone to investigate a company, which you never really relinquished.
[00:43:29]  You ended up giving them aid, and you ended up giving them more military aid than the previous administration did.
[00:43:35]  And you never got your investigation, but you thought about doing that.
[00:43:39]  And if you had gotten that investigation, I guess we can say that was for political purposes.
[00:43:45]  It's just such a fucking ridiculous thing.
[00:43:47]  And, you know, it deserves to die a quick fucking death.
[00:43:52]  Okay.
[00:43:53]  So that's that.
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[00:46:02]  All right, let's get back into the show.
[00:46:04]  Let's take some questions.
[00:46:05]  What do you say, Robbie?
[00:46:06]  What do you say, Robbie?
[00:46:07]  The fire.
[00:46:09]  All right.
[00:46:10]  Here we go.
[00:46:13]  Hold on.
[00:46:14]  One second.
[00:46:17]  All right.
[00:46:17]  So I said to the pop uh, to the part of the problem inner circle, I said, I says, I said, I'll be answering some questions on today's show.
[00:46:27]  What you got?
[00:46:28]  So here we go.
[00:46:30]  First up is Andrew.

=== Chomsky As An AnCap (04:00) ===

[00:46:32]  And Andrew says, can you share your views on Chomsky?
[00:46:37]  Or can you one day do a Contra Chomsky?
[00:46:41]  Hmm.
[00:46:41]  Maybe.
[00:46:43]  I mean, you know, Noam Chomsky isn't like super relevant these days.
[00:46:47]  I mean, that is an interesting, you know, podcast.
[00:46:51]  I'm sure there's a lot of things to talk about there.
[00:46:57]  Noam Chomsky is.
[00:47:00]  Have you ever read any Noam Chomsky?
[00:47:01]  What is he?
[00:47:01]  MIT or Harvard?
[00:47:03]  I can't remember where he went to school, but he's a he's like one of the...
[00:47:08]  I thought he was a professor at one of them.
[00:47:10]  Well, he might have been.
[00:47:11]  I don't even know.
[00:47:11]  I don't think he's a professor anymore.
[00:47:13]  He's one of the world's leading linguists.
[00:47:15]  He's like a fucking genius, like an incredible linguist, but he's also a political commentator.
[00:47:21]  And then there were lots of areas where those kind of overlapped.
[00:47:24]  But he's absolutely brilliant.
[00:47:26]  Absolutely brilliant.
[00:47:28]  He's an anarcho-syndicalist.
[00:47:32]  It's more or less meaning that there should be no government and that like worker cooperatives should run basically the country, more or less that unions would kind of take the place of governments.
[00:47:47]  His anti-war stuff is phenomenal.
[00:47:49]  I mean, he's done a really great job.
[00:47:51]  He was like one of the leading left-wing intellectuals who are anti-Vietnam War.
[00:47:58]  And he's also written a lot of real, just really, really brilliant pieces.
[00:48:01]  He's a very talented writer.
[00:48:03]  I recommend people read him.
[00:48:04]  I've benefited a lot from reading them.
[00:48:06]  And, you know, I'll tell you, this is okay.
[00:48:08]  So I may have mentioned this on the show.
[00:48:10]  I may not have ever mentioned this, but I heard him once.
[00:48:14]  I think I heard this on YouTube, but he was like on a radio show and people were calling in.
[00:48:19]  And he got a call from, he got a question from like an ANCAP.
[00:48:23]  And the anarcho-capitalist guy said, well, listen, basically, like one of the main, you know, points that you hear ANCAPs make a lot where he was like, he was like, well, look, under an anarcho-capitalist system, you're free to have your anarcho-syndicalist community, right?
[00:48:40]  Like you guys can buy up property, share it amongst the workers, do whatever you want to, live by whatever rules you want to.
[00:48:47]  But then we're also free to live in like our capitalist community.
[00:48:51]  Would you like, you know, give us the same like courtesy?
[00:48:56]  Like if we were under your system, would we be allowed to be like, well, over here, we want to have privately owned businesses and, you know, whatever, employers and, you know, woohoo, employers.
[00:49:06]  And he basically was kind of backed into a corner and he said, well, you know, I don't imagine that anyone would voluntarily choose slavery if given the option for freedom.
[00:49:18]  But yeah, I don't think there should be any laws against it.
[00:49:21]  So I guess, yes, I wouldn't, you know, use force to so basically you're like to me, even though he like reluctantly said, well, I don't think anyone would choose that.
[00:49:31]  That's basically, to me, that's almost Chomsky acknowledging he's an ANCAP, not an anarcho-syndicalist, because you're basically saying there that people can have privately owned companies if they want to.
[00:49:43]  So, okay, then we're just coming down to what we think the market is going to look like.
[00:49:49]  And truthfully speaking, there's really no like laws on the books right now preventing union, you know, worker co-ops and things like that.
[00:49:59]  And there's not a whole lot of evidence that they're like out-competing all of these other companies and that workers are just going to choose to work for them.
[00:50:05]  But truthfully speaking, if that was done voluntarily, I don't really have a problem with it.
[00:50:10]  Like if that was the case, that workers were all just choosing to go to worker cooperative owned companies, then okay, there must be some benefit there that the workers are seeing.
[00:50:22]  So wonderful.
[00:50:23]  Then maybe if they're out competing fucking, you know, the more traditional capitalist firms, I have no problem with that.
[00:50:30]  So there's really not much.

=== Critiques On Capitalism (05:31) ===

[00:50:32]  Once he admitted that, that I'm almost like, okay, so I don't really know what to say.
[00:50:35]  Now, he's had a lot of critiques on capitalism that I thought were wrong.
[00:50:40]  But I don't know.
[00:50:41]  Like, if you found me a specific Noam Chomsky piece, I'm sure I could tell you what it is.
[00:50:45]  I think he's getting wrong about that.
[00:50:46]  And he's, he was, he was critical of like Ron Paul for, you know, wanting to like abolish welfare or something like that.
[00:50:56]  Like, you know, he was saying, oh, people will starve or things like that, which I thought were just kind of silly and, you know, not at all true.
[00:51:03]  And it also was never Ron Paul's proposal to like snap your fingers and end all welfare tomorrow.
[00:51:08]  I thought Ron Paul had the most reasonable proposal that I've ever heard for how to manage the government.
[00:51:14]  And what Ron Paul's proposal more or less was, and this was outlined in his actual budget that he had, which cut a trillion dollars out of the budget in the first year.
[00:51:24]  I loved it.
[00:51:24]  It was the only like real bold fucking budget proposal I've ever seen before, where he was like, okay, year one, we cut a trillion dollars.
[00:51:30]  And more or less, what he was, his plan more or less was we're going to immediately cut all of the really evil and unnecessary things the government does.
[00:51:40]  So right away, we're going to cut all of the bombing brown people money out.
[00:51:44]  Like we're ending wars.
[00:51:45]  We're slashing defense spending, you know, military spending.
[00:51:50]  We're going to end the war on drugs.
[00:51:52]  We're going to end, you know, like foreign aid.
[00:51:54]  We're going to end all of these programs.
[00:51:56]  And then, like, we're basically going to put dates on the social programs and be like, hey, in 10 years, this social program runs out.
[00:52:04]  So you got 10 years to fucking figure it out.
[00:52:06]  But this is going to fucking, you know, we're cutting this off now.
[00:52:10]  And then, and it was just like, that's by far the most reasonable plan I've ever heard.
[00:52:14]  So it could be done in a way where no one has to, you know, starve to death.
[00:52:18]  Okay.
[00:52:19]  Mike asks, did Robbie's coronavirus kill off the full-blown AIDS?
[00:52:27]  No, I wish it did, but what's nice about having AIDS, everything else after that, it's like, I can handle fucking coronavirus.
[00:52:33]  Yeah, I'm good, man, dude.
[00:52:35]  AIDS already took my hair.
[00:52:36]  What else are you going to take from me?
[00:52:38]  I'm good.
[00:52:38]  Your dignity?
[00:52:39]  What's coronavirus going to do to you?
[00:52:41]  Nothing.
[00:52:42]  All right.
[00:52:42]  Well, there you go.
[00:52:43]  You heard it.
[00:52:44]  You know how good I am at handling AIDS?
[00:52:45]  Who else have you seen put on weight while they had AIDS?
[00:52:48]  Boom.
[00:52:49]  No one.
[00:52:50]  It's impressive.
[00:52:52]  I'm the world-class virus beater.
[00:52:54]  Yeah.
[00:52:55]  People wonder sometimes why you're fucking my co-host on this podcast, but it's like, you know, you come, look at it.
[00:53:01]  Getting fat on AIDS.
[00:53:02]  Fuck your coronavirus.
[00:53:03]  You tell me you don't want that guy having your back who also openly muses about stabbing you in the back, but you know, whatever.
[00:53:11]  Shit happens.
[00:53:14]  All righty.
[00:53:17]  John asks, do you think Paul Krugman titled his new book, Arguing with Zombies, as a troll on Robert Murphy and Tom Woods?
[00:53:28]  You know, I don't know, but I did have that same thought myself.
[00:53:33]  I did have that same thought myself.
[00:53:34]  I don't know if you know, but Tom They don't look like zombies.
[00:53:36]  Well, Tom Woods and Bob Murphy had this YouTube video a long time ago where they were talking about like arguing with a zombie, and they were basically saying however in the mainstream media are zombies and get zombie responses.
[00:53:49]  And then he called his new book Arguing with a Zombie and they do a Contra Krugman podcast.
[00:53:53]  So like he's definitely familiar with who those guys are.
[00:53:57]  So it's quite possible.
[00:53:59]  But I wouldn't be so concerned with Paul Krugman's trolling as I would be with his kitty porn.
[00:54:06]  Paul Krugman's into kitty porn?
[00:54:08]  Well, he's claiming that his computer was hacked.
[00:54:11]  Oh, Paul Krugman looks at kiddie porn.
[00:54:13]  Which is, look, it is possible it was hacked.
[00:54:15]  How'd they bust him for it?
[00:54:17]  I don't even know.
[00:54:17]  I saw that he tweeted about it.
[00:54:19]  That's how I saw about it.
[00:54:20]  Like he was like, you know, it looks like my computer's been hacked or something like that.
[00:54:24]  And so I've called the authorities and blah, blah, blah.
[00:54:26]  I don't know.
[00:54:26]  Maybe his computer was hacked.
[00:54:28]  Or maybe.
[00:54:31]  Yeah.
[00:54:31]  Okay.
[00:54:32]  Casey says, with the coronavirus thing, I was thinking about how a stateless system could handle something like that.
[00:54:38]  Also, thanks for all you do for Liberty, you Nazi.
[00:54:41]  Not cool.
[00:54:42]  Not cool, Casey.
[00:54:43]  Not cool.
[00:54:44]  You outed me.
[00:54:45]  That's what you just did.
[00:54:46]  You added me.
[00:54:46]  Actually, technically, I guess I outed me because I read it.
[00:54:49]  Well, I think we kind of talked about this, more or less.
[00:54:51]  I mean, I don't know.
[00:54:52]  I think the answer more or less is that if there's private property, people can keep you off of their property.
[00:54:57]  And my guess is that when there's a fucking virus going around, not too many property owners would be inviting a whole lot of Chinese.
[00:55:05]  When states run this stuff, it's not like, listen, I would see an argument against anarcho-capitalism if, say, you lived, like, let's say the government had already shut down all air traffic from China coming in, and this quarantined the virus, and it didn't spread to anybody in America.
[00:55:25]  And then there were all of these like private, you know, areas who were like begging for Chinese people with the virus to come in.
[00:55:32]  And you were like, well, look, see, the public sector would have invited them all in, or the private sector would have invited them all in.
[00:55:38]  Then the government intervened and made sure they didn't do that.
[00:55:40]  But that's not the situation.
[00:55:41]  The situation is almost certainly private property owners wouldn't want people from a disease-ridden area, a virus-ridden area to come in right now.
[00:55:48]  And the government is allowing them in.
[00:55:50]  So I think we'd be better off.
[00:55:53]  I would live in Purel City, man.
[00:55:55]  We would take all our kids.
[00:55:57]  We'd send them to another city.
[00:55:58]  You keep it.
[00:55:59]  That's a great name of like an anarcho-capitalist city, too, just named after a fucking corporation.

=== Editing Out Random Jokes (09:42) ===

[00:56:04]  OCD Germany.
[00:56:05]  Purel.
[00:56:06]  Yeah, there's a man-made lake of Purel right out back.
[00:56:09]  You just dive in.
[00:56:10]  Take a fucking swim.
[00:56:12]  Okay.
[00:56:13]  Shane.
[00:56:15]  My boy Shane from the Hopa podcast.
[00:56:18]  Shane writes, other than what you've said on the show before, how else did your worldviews change when you became a parent?
[00:56:28]  Hmm.
[00:56:31]  Well, you know, it's hard to, like, obviously there's been lots of, like, my worldview.
[00:56:39]  If you're talking about like specific issues, I mean, obviously, like, you know, but this is stuff I've talked about before on the show, like, whatever, abortion or, you know, different kind of traditional values.
[00:56:49]  I think what really changed my worldview about having a parent, or excuse me, about having a child, was just, it's a refocusing of what your life is about and what, you know, what you're doing here on this planet.
[00:57:08]  And I don't know that I ever, before having a child, ever really had a like, you know, if you had just asked me, what would what is your purpose?
[00:57:18]  Like, what are you, what are you living for?
[00:57:21]  I think it would have been something like, well, I want to be a great comedian and I want to have fun and, you know, probably something along those lines.
[00:57:32]  And now my purpose is just so crystal clear is to protect and provide for my daughter and that's it.
[00:57:39]  And anything else is like a means to an end of that.
[00:57:43]  In terms of my worldview, I would say for sure, you know, I don't know what I haven't discussed on the podcast, but I would say it definitely made me more conservative in what I'd like to see happen for the future.
[00:57:59]  You know, rather than just being like, oh, like, you know, if you told me there was going to be a period of, you know, dangerous chaos for 10 years, but then a libertarian order might emerge out of that.
[00:58:11]  I think I would have been down for that, you know, five years ago.
[00:58:14]  Like, fuck yeah, let's watch it all burn down and let's take our shot.
[00:58:18]  Now I'm more like, my bigger concern is like the least amount of danger for my child.
[00:58:26]  And whatever is going to be the smoothest transition is what I'm, you know, what I'm for.
[00:58:34]  That's just, that's just where my head is at these days.
[00:58:41]  All right.
[00:58:41]  Jonathan asks, does your infatuation with politics make it hard to write material for your comedy act?
[00:58:49]  Can you just write comedy anymore without injecting politics into the content?
[00:58:56]  No.
[00:58:56]  I've never felt that it made writing comedy harder.
[00:59:00]  I've never really had a tough time writing stand-up comedy.
[00:59:05]  I'm always literally since I was very new in stand-up, I always turned over new material at a pretty fast rate compared to other comedians.
[00:59:14]  And I mean, I just think because of my interest in politics and the way my mind works compared to other comedians, I've never had a tough time having my own take.
[00:59:29]  on whatever is going on.
[00:59:31]  It does, you know, obviously, like, right, like my hour libertas was pretty much all political or cultural, culturally driven, mostly political.
[00:59:40]  Now, there were other bits.
[00:59:42]  I initially did, like, the shows were like 90 minutes long and we cut it down to an hour.
[00:59:48]  There was other stuff in there.
[00:59:50]  It's just during the editing process, it kind of made more sense for the other random jokes to go.
[00:59:56]  And it was my fucking like introductory special.
[01:00:01]  So, and I do specialize in political commentary and shit.
[01:00:04]  So, I wanted to kind of make it that.
[01:00:05]  And, you know, Lewis was the director, and he kind of like felt like that was a good idea.
[01:00:09]  And I agreed with him.
[01:00:10]  But no, I mean, I'm working on the next hour now, which I'm hoping to put out this year.
[01:00:16]  And there's a lot of just, you know, stuff about being married, having a kid, all that shit, because that's like what's in my life.
[01:00:24]  You know, if you get married or have a kid, there's very few comedians who aren't going to have at least like a few jokes about that because it's like what your life's about and that's what you're thinking about.
[01:00:34]  That was while I was obsessed with politics, not that I'm not anymore, but that's what I'd be talking about.
[01:00:39]  But I still write jokes that have nothing to do with politics.
[01:00:42]  What do you think, Robbie Fire?
[01:00:44]  I try not to talk about my AIDS babies.
[01:00:46]  My wife and kids, not a lot of people.
[01:00:48]  But every now and then, you can think of something good and you're like, ah, this AIDS baby thing's got to go in there.
[01:00:52]  No, I don't know.
[01:00:53]  I have fucking, I have, I have, you know, I could do an hour and not mention politics.
[01:00:58]  My struggle is more writing dicks that, I mean, jokes that don't have something to do with my dick.
[01:01:02]  It's like I keep turning over a new 10 minutes and I'm like, oh man, I got 10 new minutes.
[01:01:06]  It's like, no, it's just 10 more minutes of dick jokes.
[01:01:08]  You can't do it.
[01:01:08]  Sometimes it's hard for me to write a joke that doesn't have to do with Rob's dick.
[01:01:12]  You know what?
[01:01:12]  You're like, the punchline works for any setup.
[01:01:15]  It's an interesting piece.
[01:01:18]  Literally.
[01:01:19]  All right.
[01:01:21]  Bob writes, I think this guy is naturally blind to the problem, just like too many libertarians.
[01:01:28]  It could be cowardice, but perhaps they are just unable to see the problem ever.
[01:01:32]  A six-minute discussion?
[01:01:34]  Ian, I don't understand.
[01:01:36]  Where's your question, Ian?
[01:01:38]  Oh, and then there's a link to another.
[01:01:40]  Oh, God, dude, this is just way too long.
[01:01:42]  I'm sorry.
[01:01:43]  There was a link to another.
[01:01:44]  I'm going to have to skip this one.
[01:01:45]  I apologize, but it's got to be, it's a link to a whole other Facebook thread that's like six paragraphs long.
[01:01:52]  Or actually, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten paragraphs long.
[01:01:57]  I'm sorry.
[01:01:57]  Ten paragraphs is too much for one of these.
[01:01:59]  I apologize.
[01:02:00]  You're going to have to condense it next time.
[01:02:03]  Bob, I'll start with you next time.
[01:02:06]  I'm probably going to forget that.
[01:02:08]  Remind me, Bob.
[01:02:09]  All right.
[01:02:10]  Jesse, how do I convince you to have someone on the show?
[01:02:14]  He's the founder of Bastion Magazine, which all good Missesian libertarians subscribe to, including your boy Tom Woods.
[01:02:21]  Yeah, I'll have the founder of Bastion on the show.
[01:02:23]  Sure.
[01:02:24]  There you go.
[01:02:25]  That's how you do it.
[01:02:26]  Okay.
[01:02:28]  Connor writes, what is Robbie Bernstein, Robbie the Fire Bernstein's stance on Publix Chicken Tender Pub Subs?
[01:02:38]  You know what?
[01:02:39]  Do you know what that is?
[01:02:40]  I'm going to step in here and I'm going to say part of being the king of the cocks, the sandwich king of America, the man with all knowledge when it comes to everything delicious.
[01:02:50]  I'm willing to admit, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
[01:02:53]  I love all these new nicknames you just came up with yourself.
[01:02:56]  I know nothing about, but that, if anything, it's.
[01:02:59]  P-U-B-L-I-X.
[01:03:01]  I don't know, that sounds good.
[01:03:02]  Do you know what that is?
[01:03:02]  Is it good, Brian?
[01:03:04]  Sounds like a restaurant.
[01:03:05]  Brian's saying not good.
[01:03:05]  There you go.
[01:03:06]  That's why I never heard of it.
[01:03:08]  It's like a down-south wall bounce.
[01:03:10]  Oh, okay.
[01:03:11]  It's a down-south thing.
[01:03:12]  Sorry, talking to a couple of people.
[01:03:14]  I have a Northeastern Jews.
[01:03:16]  Listen, I got like good sandwich mechanics.
[01:03:18]  I can even just visually look at a sandwich.
[01:03:20]  I can look at proportions.
[01:03:22]  It's like seeing through the matrix.
[01:03:23]  So if you send me a picture of it, I could probably give you a review, but I haven't traveled the whole country, so I can't tell you, you know, you're a random.
[01:03:30]  I've never eaten, what's that burger chain in California?
[01:03:34]  In-n-out.
[01:03:35]  I've never had an In-N-Out burger.
[01:03:36]  Yeah, I've had it.
[01:03:39]  It's good.
[01:03:40]  But it's not what everybody freaks out about.
[01:03:42]  It's a good fast food burger.
[01:03:45]  I don't care for their fries, and they only have four things on the menu.
[01:03:50]  And if you only have four things on the menu, better be good.
[01:03:52]  Like, they kind of all have to be good.
[01:03:54]  I like the burger, though.
[01:03:55]  And I bet it's kind of fun.
[01:03:57]  No one fucks with McDonald's fries.
[01:03:59]  No fast food place fucks with McDonald's fries.
[01:04:02]  Fries are the best.
[01:04:03]  Look at that.
[01:04:03]  You hear it here first.
[01:04:04]  Rob, not a fries guy.
[01:04:05]  In Pittsburgh, they put fries on the sandwich.
[01:04:08]  It's weird.
[01:04:10]  Wasn't a big fan of it.
[01:04:11]  But I like Pittsburgh.
[01:04:12]  Good people there.
[01:04:13]  Okay.
[01:04:14]  Fries are great in a shawarma, though.
[01:04:16]  Yeah, not my deal.
[01:04:17]  You know what?
[01:04:18]  I tell people, hey, I don't want the fries.
[01:04:20]  I stick away from fries.
[01:04:21]  But now fries can work in a sandwich.
[01:04:24]  Okay.
[01:04:24]  All right.
[01:04:24]  Especially if you like fries, then it goes great.
[01:04:26]  Is a shwarma a sandwich?
[01:04:28]  No, nothing's a sandwich but a sandwich.
[01:04:30]  I've become a sandwich purist.
[01:04:31]  I don't want to hear any of this bullshit about tacos, hot dogs, even though hamburger is more close.
[01:04:36]  Sandwich is a sandwich.
[01:04:38]  It implies what it is.
[01:04:39]  Let's have a conversation about sandwich if we're talking about sandwiches.
[01:04:42]  As somebody who's also a purist in many regards, I respect it.
[01:04:45]  All right, Bill writes: now that the Mises caucus exists, what's the plan for the 2020 nominate?
[01:04:53]  Oh, Jacob Hornburger.
[01:04:54]  That's the plan.
[01:04:55]  Right now, the plan is to get him fucking the nomination.
[01:04:59]  And then we got some things up our sleeves for after that.
[01:05:03]  But that's the plan right now, all in Hornburger 2020.
[01:05:07]  All right.
[01:05:09]  Jim, do you plan on going to the convention in Austin?
[01:05:15]  You know, quite possibly.
[01:05:17]  Haven't decided yet.
[01:05:19]  But yes, I'd like to be there for that.
[01:05:22]  You go, maybe I'll go, man.
[01:05:23]  I think the FadCast guys are going to bring me out for they do a whole event out there in the woods.
[01:05:28]  Yeah.
[01:05:29]  Is that at the same time as the convention?
[01:05:30]  It's like the day after the convention.
[01:05:32]  Childerburger.
[01:05:33]  Childerburg.
[01:05:34]  You want to perform with me at Childerburger?
[01:05:36]  Maybe.
[01:05:37]  Maybe.
[01:05:38]  I'm not sure yet.
[01:05:39]  Okay.
[01:05:40]  RJ writes a follow-up.
[01:05:42]  Once Robbie replies for Dave Smith.
[01:05:45]  What?

=== Free Goods And Votes (15:07) ===

[01:05:46]  Okay.
[01:05:46]  I'm sure you've considered that Democrats are the party of illegals because they're the only party that seems to advocate to let them in.
[01:05:55]  If Republicans switched to an open borders closed safety net platform, wouldn't they quickly become the favorable party to these people?
[01:06:04]  Aren't most working class religious pro-lifers aren't most like most of the immigrants working class religious pro-lifers tan rednecks?
[01:06:15]  Okay.
[01:06:16]  I just don't think the Dems are able to import a voting block because of social services.
[01:06:21]  I think it's because they're the party that will let them in, and I haven't heard much evidence to the contrary.
[01:06:30]  I mean, I don't even know.
[01:06:31]  I guess you'd have to run that experiment to see if the Republicans basically became pro-open borders, but they were very strict on any welfare going to illegal immigrants.
[01:06:45]  Look, there are some problems.
[01:06:46]  There are problems, okay?
[01:06:48]  Once you have a society that is as statist as ours, it's how exactly are you going to close off welfare benefits?
[01:06:59]  I really don't understand game theory that well.
[01:07:02]  The issue with his argument is that he's assuming that people that move here would vote to help other people also be able to move in as opposed to in their own interest to get social services.
[01:07:15]  And I reject that premise as being true.
[01:07:17]  Well, I guess the premise is that because the Democrats are the parties who kind of welcomed them in.
[01:07:22]  Not necessarily.
[01:07:23]  No, but that's not true.
[01:07:24]  I'm saying once they're here, you got to look at the decision-making process once they're here.
[01:07:27]  And if the choice is between the person that helped them get here or the person that's going to help them receive free goods, I think they're going to vote in accordance with free goods.
[01:07:35]  That's a fair point.
[01:07:36]  But the point that I was making was just like, how are you going to cut off the free goods once they come?
[01:07:41]  I mean, are you going to say, you know, like in our current society, do you think it's at all practical that either one of the mainstream parties are going to say, oh, your kids don't get public schooling?
[01:07:53]  That's the problem.
[01:07:53]  Or kicking you out of emergency rooms.
[01:07:56]  Like, how is this going to work?
[01:07:58]  I mean, it's now, don't get me wrong.
[01:08:00]  I understand how it could work in a more libertarian society.
[01:08:03]  But in the society we have right now, it seems very unlikely to me that any of those things are going to change or that the Republicans are going to come out for that.
[01:08:14]  And the other thing, of course, is that there's a lot of people who just don't want them in the country.
[01:08:19]  And it doesn't help that at all to give up the position.
[01:08:23]  So would that would, you know, I don't know.
[01:08:26]  I really don't know.
[01:08:28]  Somehow I doubt it.
[01:08:29]  I doubt that a lot of people, look, I mean, let's just be honest, a lot of people, the vast majority of the people who illegally immigrate into America, not all, but the vast majority, come because there's much more opportunity here, because they can make a lot more money here, because they're not making a lot of money back home.
[01:08:45]  So those people who come for money, I'm sure a lot of them are fucking, you know, decent people who are coming over because they're like, hey, I can work and make more money.
[01:08:54]  But if you're really poor and you're coming over to make more money and someone offers you free money, that is probably going to have at least some influence on who you support.
[01:09:04]  The other thing that's interesting about that is if the Republicans were to play the gamble of, hey, I want to help out minorities from third world countries, they're now appealing to a new base.
[01:09:14]  And the idea that they would appeal to a new base just by trying to make arrangements for them to come in and then not also make investments and trying to give them free goods, I think ignores the political reality that people need to basically appeal to bases in order to get votes.
[01:09:28]  Now, to reframe the whole thing, I have zero problem with people from like, I like them.
[01:09:32]  Every time, every Mexican, Dominican, I like these dudes.
[01:09:35]  I've hung out with, like, I have no problem with anyone from anywhere in the world.
[01:09:39]  My issue is you can't have free goods and just let anybody in here.
[01:09:42]  Also, I don't think anyone should be imposed to live with people that they don't want.
[01:09:46]  So if like, if you are a racist from the South, I'm not.
[01:09:49]  I live in New York City.
[01:09:50]  I'm friends with everybody.
[01:09:51]  But if you're a racist from the South and you want to have your little racist town, I'm not here to force people upon you.
[01:09:58]  No, I mean, look, I tend to agree with that.
[01:10:00]  And also just the term racist gets thrown around a little bit.
[01:10:04]  It's like, I don't know.
[01:10:05]  I wouldn't, whatever.
[01:10:06]  It's not that you're even incorrectly using the word.
[01:10:09]  It's just that the word is so broad that it's like it can cover somebody who doesn't like hate anybody else, isn't violent toward anybody else, is just like, I'd like to live amongst my own people.
[01:10:19]  Like, when there are like black people in New York who complain about Harlem being gentrified or complain about, you know, neighborhoods I used to live in, or not live in, but live near in Brooklyn, whether it's like Crown Heights or Bed Steye or these neighborhoods that they'd complain about it being gentrified.
[01:10:37]  I don't look at them like, you fucking horrible, despicable, racist human being.
[01:10:43]  I go like, I get where you're coming from.
[01:10:45]  Now, by the way, I'm not supporting any government intervention to back that up, but I just go, I get where you were living amongst people, your group of people, and you liked it that way.
[01:10:55]  And that doesn't necessarily mean you hate other people, but you might just prefer it that way.
[01:11:00]  So, no, just like you're saying, like, I don't judge that person.
[01:11:03]  And I think if you do own the property, you have a right to try to keep it the way that you like it.
[01:11:08]  Like, that's your preference.
[01:11:10]  Again, like you said, I'm a New York guy.
[01:11:12]  That's not really my thing.
[01:11:14]  And I've met.
[01:11:15]  There's a ton of Mexicans in New York.
[01:11:17]  And I know I've met a bunch of them.
[01:11:18]  There was the first job I ever fucking had.
[01:11:20]  There was a bunch of Mexicans who worked there who all got paid under minimum wage.
[01:11:24]  Some really great guys and some incredibly hardworking guys.
[01:11:28]  Like guys who worked for fucking six bucks an hour, five bucks an hour, had three kids, you know what I mean?
[01:11:34]  Just worked their ass off.
[01:11:36]  They weren't fucking criminals.
[01:11:37]  They weren't doing anything wrong.
[01:11:38]  They were literally just trying to fucking give their family a better life than they would have had back home.
[01:11:43]  I have nothing against those guys, but I agree with what you were saying.
[01:11:46]  It's just, you know, when you have a welfare state and then just all types of government services, there's, you know, there's real problems in this shit.
[01:11:53]  Now, just one more thing to respond to the meat of the question.
[01:11:59]  You know, it's not as if Republicans historically have been border hawks.
[01:12:04]  There's one guy, Donald Trump, who ran on this issue and he really hasn't even gotten that much done on it.
[01:12:09]  Ronald Reagan had a huge amnesty.
[01:12:12]  Okay?
[01:12:13]  Now, Ronald Reagan didn't do much to cut back on welfare, but he was kind of seen as the guy who was trying to cut back on welfare.
[01:12:20]  And he had this huge amnesty program.
[01:12:24]  Didn't fucking assure him a majority of the Hispanic vote or even of the fucking, you know, immigrant vote.
[01:12:33]  They still kind of went to Democrats.
[01:12:35]  So, and George W. Bush had a huge amnesty.
[01:12:37]  So I don't really see evidence that just being pro-open borders or something like that is going to be enough for them to switch back.
[01:12:45]  Look, as unfortunate as it is, do not underestimate the power of politicians buying votes.
[01:12:52]  Think about this, okay?
[01:12:53]  The black vote switched to the Democratic Party in the 30s under FDR, okay?
[01:13:01]  For his New Deal, which was explicitly racist.
[01:13:05]  Like, it gave white businesses preference over blacks, but it still gave them something.
[01:13:12]  And when people are fucking desperate, like, I don't even blame black people, you know, for switching over to the Democratic Party.
[01:13:18]  It's like, you're bribing people who are desperate.
[01:13:21]  You got to think these were black people in, you know, the Great Depression.
[01:13:26]  They didn't have it very good.
[01:13:28]  If you were going to offer them something, they'd be like, okay, well, fuck, that's something.
[01:13:32]  You know what I mean?
[01:13:33]  So it's just the problem is that welfare poisons poisons society.
[01:13:42]  Ryan writes, what's your favorite Tremors movie?
[01:13:45]  The fucking one.
[01:13:46]  The first one.
[01:13:47]  The first one.
[01:13:47]  First one.
[01:13:49]  Were any of the other ones even good?
[01:13:51]  Yeah, it was just the first one.
[01:13:52]  That's an easy question.
[01:13:54]  Come on.
[01:13:55]  Step it up, Ryan.
[01:13:56]  All right.
[01:13:57]  Will writes, what would become of nuclear weapons during a transition to anarcho-capitalism?
[01:14:05]  Well, let's hope they're not set off.
[01:14:08]  That is a really good question and important one.
[01:14:11]  I don't know if I'm going to have a great answer to that.
[01:14:13]  Of course, famously, there's unaccounted for nuclear weapons from when the Soviet Union collapsed.
[01:14:20]  There's like a bunch of nuclear warhawks.
[01:14:21]  People don't know where they fucking are.
[01:14:23]  Or warheads, I should say.
[01:14:25]  People don't know where they are.
[01:14:27]  Like to this day, some Russian oligarch is holding onto a fucking nuke in his basement somewhere.
[01:14:32]  It's fucking creepy.
[01:14:33]  I don't know.
[01:14:34]  And you certainly want them to be accounted for.
[01:14:39]  But who knows?
[01:14:39]  Who knows how many like secret government weapons there are out there in the world?
[01:14:43]  That's a really good question.
[01:14:43]  I got to tell you, I don't have a great answer to it.
[01:14:45]  it but maybe I'll look into that.
[01:14:46]  Maybe there's some libertarian who's who's put some thought into this.
[01:14:50]  But that is that is an important question and something we would have to deal with.
[01:14:56]  All right.
[01:14:58]  Michael asks, can you try to explain how IP is bad?
[01:15:05]  I can't wrap my head around it.
[01:15:07]  Okay.
[01:15:09]  So let me just put it like this, right?
[01:15:13]  This is the example I used to fucking use, the idea of intellectual property and why it's not, in my opinion, consistent with libertarianism.
[01:15:22]  Okay.
[01:15:22]  And I think there is a lot of confusion around this issue, but I actually think it's simpler than people make it out to be.
[01:15:28]  This is the example I used to use, right?
[01:15:30]  Back in the day, which I think I said on this podcast, but it might be like 400 episodes ago that I said this.
[01:15:35]  But here's like the basic like libertarian idea, right?
[01:15:38]  It's that initiating violence against peaceful people is wrong.
[01:15:42]  And that's true whether a government does it or whether just some person does it.
[01:15:47]  And that's true whether there's a government or not.
[01:15:49]  Like if you just think about some like, you know, let's go desert island, as I like to do.
[01:15:55]  There is no government.
[01:15:56]  There's no law.
[01:15:57]  But somebody, you know, is like going about their day and somebody else comes up and beats the shit out of them or kills them or something like that.
[01:16:05]  That is equally as wrong as it is if somebody here in New York City goes and beats the shit out of somebody and kills them.
[01:16:13]  Like we may have a system of laws and courts and all of that shit, but it's the same crime.
[01:16:18]  It's the same act.
[01:16:19]  The reason why we have laws and rules and all this is because we recognize that it's wrong and we want to have some type of like, you know, system.
[01:16:26]  But it's always wrong to do that to somebody else.
[01:16:29]  Now, in the same sense, the libertarian, here's libertarian property rights to me in kind of a nutshell.
[01:16:34]  So you have some woman out there and she's on this desert island and she collects some seashells and she's got a little piece of twine and she puts them around.
[01:16:44]  She makes a little necklace.
[01:16:45]  Okay.
[01:16:45]  Now someone else runs along, snatches the necklace off of her and runs away.
[01:16:50]  It's like she stole that from her.
[01:16:52]  Like that was hers.
[01:16:53]  She put the work into gathering them.
[01:16:55]  They were unowned.
[01:16:56]  She gathered them.
[01:16:57]  She fashioned it into a thing.
[01:16:59]  And so it was hers and you stole that from her.
[01:17:02]  Okay?
[01:17:02]  Fairly straightforward, right?
[01:17:04]  Like property rights comes from owning yourself.
[01:17:07]  Now you own, you know, unowned resources that you mixed your labor with.
[01:17:11]  Okay.
[01:17:11]  Now, intellectual property is this chick goes, gets some seashells, makes a fucking necklace out of it, goes, I've made seashell necklaces.
[01:17:24]  I now own the idea of seashell necklaces.
[01:17:28]  Somebody else down the road made a different seashell necklace, mixed her time with labor's, and she goes and snatches that off her and says, that's my property because I own the idea of seashell necklaces.
[01:17:42]  So who's initiating violence there?
[01:17:44]  To me, it's pretty clearly the one who snatched the necklace.
[01:17:47]  Like, that's not yours.
[01:17:48]  Now, here's where things get confusing, right?
[01:17:52]  That people will say this all the time.
[01:17:53]  They'll be like, how do you not believe in intellectual property?
[01:17:55]  But you were a comedian.
[01:17:57]  You wouldn't want someone else stealing your jokes, right?
[01:17:59]  It's like, yes, no, you're right.
[01:18:01]  I wouldn't want someone else using my jokes.
[01:18:04]  And there are systems that are built within, you know, a private property to stop this.
[01:18:10]  So like clubs will stop booking you.
[01:18:13]  Even YouTube taking down videos if you take copy, you know, like whatever, all that stuff.
[01:18:17]  That's that I don't have a problem with private companies doing.
[01:18:20]  The question about intellectual property is if someone steals my joke, do we treat that like property?
[01:18:27]  Is that treated the same way as if someone steals my car?
[01:18:32]  Like should I should the state come in and arrest somebody for doing my joke and should they be looking at a prison sentence?
[01:18:40]  And to me, the answer to that is obviously no.
[01:18:42]  So I don't believe that it is property, if that makes sense.
[01:18:46]  I'm not saying it's not wrong or there aren't problems with taking someone else's ideas, but it's not theft in the same way that physically taking their property is.
[01:18:55]  Can I argue against this?
[01:18:56]  Sure, go ahead.
[01:18:58]  Okay.
[01:18:58]  So to me, and maybe this is going to come down to we're arguing over definitions and what I'm proposing is doesn't fall into a standard definition.
[01:19:10]  But I do think that part of law is a function of being cooperative.
[01:19:15]  And so if people opt in and go, hey, for the sake of research and development, I believe that we're better off in a system in which if someone has an idea, there's a protection for that idea.
[01:19:26]  The risk being that if someone spends a lot of time trying to figure out an idea that's going to benefit all of us, we understand that if it's taken from him, we're going to disincentivize people from investing in research and development.
[01:19:37]  So as a cooperative, we're all going to decide that even though it's not property in the same way of a tangible good, we're all going to respect that, hey, you've created this thing.
[01:19:47]  And since we want to incentivize people to create things, we're going to say that that belongs to you.
[01:19:52]  So once people decide to get together and go, hey, we benefit by having this cooperative system and we're going to create law that says that this now belongs to you, that now belongs to you.
[01:20:02]  Yeah, but the problem is that you're saying this thing where this is kind of like the statist idea that we all get together and we all said that.
[01:20:08]  Well, if everyone gets together and everyone agrees on that, fine.
[01:20:10]  But evidently everyone's not agreeing.
[01:20:12]  No, I'm saying even in your world where we could have a libertarian thing.
[01:20:16]  So it could be, hey, I decide to live in blank area and like zoning laws.
[01:20:20]  One of them is that there's a cooperative or intellectual property.
[01:20:23]  Absolutely.
[01:20:24]  If you voluntarily come to some agreement like that, then fine.
[01:20:27]  You could all voluntarily come to the agreement that you paint your houses green.
[01:20:30]  You know what I mean?
[01:20:30]  Like I don't care, to borrow an example.
[01:20:33]  So I don't care about that.
[01:20:35]  That's completely legitimate to me.
[01:20:37]  But that doesn't, that's not the same thing as a monopoly enforced law.
[01:20:43]  And that's not the same thing as how you would protect theft.
[01:20:46]  So if there's some other community that doesn't recognize that, you can't own some random chemical compound just because you came up with it.

=== Profiting From Your Work (10:35) ===

[01:20:54]  And by the way, if your argument, which is like a consequentialist argument, that, well, it's going to be better for society for, you know, whatever, like it wouldn't be economic, it wouldn't economically make sense for all this R ⁇ D investment if somebody couldn't own the product at the end of that.
[01:21:11]  There might be somewhat of an argument there.
[01:21:13]  The problem with that is that it's also not great for the economy when the fucking government just fucking sells off these patents on the craziest absurd things that now one corporation fucking is granted government monopoly fucking privilege over.
[01:21:28]  So there's a ton of that, like a ton of that.
[01:21:30]  Okay, so even to say, because I'm not making an argument that government steps in and distorts what should or shouldn't be property rights, what I'm saying is to say that they're, to say that proper, like there should be no concept of property rights or that you can't have an idea and someone stealing your idea is being theft.
[01:21:48]  That to me seems weird because like just, okay, take, for example, like in your example of the person being on an island and they create a necklace, right?
[01:21:58]  So when you go and you create a duplicate necklace, it's hard for me to say you've taken anything from me because you're walking around with the necklace.
[01:22:05]  That doesn't really cost me anything.
[01:22:07]  Now let's go back to, you know, we're in New York.
[01:22:10]  I'm the first person I thought of snapback hats.
[01:22:12]  That guy, I think, made a shit ton of money.
[01:22:14]  Simple invention.
[01:22:16]  You know, you don't have to, you know what I'm talking about.
[01:22:18]  I invent the snapback hats.
[01:22:19]  So it's patent pending, like everything on Shark Tank.
[01:22:21]  Is that true?
[01:22:22]  Well, no.
[01:22:22]  Everything there is patent pending.
[01:22:23]  We always say we're patent pending.
[01:22:25]  So if you run out into the marketplace and you take my invention and you make a shit ton of money from it, there's a cost to that to me.
[01:22:33]  So it might be the cost of future gains, but it still doesn't cost me.
[01:22:37]  Like in the island example, it doesn't cost me anything.
[01:22:39]  The fact that you're walking around using, there's no cost there to.
[01:22:42]  Yes, but the cost.
[01:22:43]  Look, I understand what you're saying, but something, there being a cost to you isn't enough of an argument.
[01:22:47]  I mean, you could say, if I open a competing business next door to your business, that there's a cost to you.
[01:22:52]  That to me is not a just, the question is, can somebody come use violence against you?
[01:22:59]  Like, that to me is the question of property.
[01:23:01]  So if you, if you open a store and I come in and I take something and run out of the store, you can have your security guard.
[01:23:09]  I don't know why I had to make it a security guard.
[01:23:11]  I was just like, yeah, Rob's not taking me.
[01:23:13]  So you could have some big guy you hired, but you can come fucking tackle me and take the property back because that's property.
[01:23:21]  Now, when we're talking about ideas, now look, if you can, you can have a contract with somebody that's like, hey, I've come up with a really great thing, but you have to agree that it's mine.
[01:23:30]  And I get the, like, okay, fine.
[01:23:32]  You can do that.
[01:23:33]  But you can initiate violence against somebody else for also having an idea or even for taking your idea.
[01:23:39]  If they took it, you don't own an idea.
[01:23:41]  Like, it's not property.
[01:23:43]  It's not, it doesn't meet the basic requirements of property, which is that it is scarce.
[01:23:52]  Like, it's fucking, you, you can have it.
[01:23:54]  Like, same with the necklace idea.
[01:23:56]  There could be, I mean, theoretically, everyone who finds a fucking necklace can make one if there's enough CPU.
[01:24:01]  Is it part of property also that you forge different elements together and through forging them together, you've created it, which is not that dissimilar from forging together ideas?
[01:24:10]  Well, no, I mean, but the idea is that you've merged your self-ownership with scarce resources, okay?
[01:24:18]  And that then they've basically one of the scarce resources is my thought process.
[01:24:22]  If I take different compounds together and I build a unique idea, nobody's taking it from you.
[01:24:27]  Nobody's taking your thought process from you.
[01:24:30]  Well, they're taking any ability of me to profit off of what I've created.
[01:24:36]  But again, that's not, but, but that could be done by out-competing you.
[01:24:39]  They could take your ability to profit off of something.
[01:24:42]  That's still not, that's still not stealing anything from you.
[01:24:45]  But then, okay, just to go circular one more time, but yet I still, fine.
[01:24:51]  So it's not theft in a traditional way, but you can still have, like, we can decide, hey, the benefit of people being incentivized to do research and development outweighs the cost.
[01:25:03]  I'm not even saying this correctly.
[01:25:04]  I would just think to me, if you so choose that you want to opt into the fact that it's worthwhile to protect people's ability to create things and then giving them some sort of an ownership over the idea, then it becomes that you're violating like that contract and then there's theft.
[01:25:19]  Well, look, even if there is, you know, if you're just going to say you want incentive for people to create things, this can justify a whole lot of government intervention.
[01:25:29]  Well, I'm not even talking about, I'm saying if you're having a system of law, people can decide, hey, I'm going to create law around what I think is going to be benefit all of us.
[01:25:38]  And if we can all agree that being cooperative in this way benefits all of us, let's do it, which can extend to social goods.
[01:25:44]  It can extend to, hey, we're all going to throw, everyone living in this area is going to throw some money into a gym because we want to make sure we don't like fat people in this town.
[01:25:53]  We want everyone to have access to a gym.
[01:25:55]  So everyone's got to contribute to this.
[01:25:56]  And then you got to go move somewhere else.
[01:25:58]  Right.
[01:25:58]  So I'm just saying like the idea of can't.
[01:26:00]  Well, maybe that's where we could find some common ground on this is that I definitely agree that if everybody comes together and agrees on something, they can do pretty much whatever they want to as long as it's voluntary and agreed upon.
[01:26:13]  I also think that, you know, and look, we can, we could talk about.
[01:26:16]  But then just to go one step further, I would say if I extend to that, then within a government model, if there are some things that they, I guess, do enforce that I think are for the public good, then I can't like necessarily, for example, even take more, like if they're going to lock up murderers, you can go, well, now they're acting violently against this murderer.
[01:26:34]  Well, I think that there needs to be someone who's removing murders.
[01:26:37]  Sure.
[01:26:39]  But the difference in that situation is that in a sense, you also do have somebody who initiated violence.
[01:26:45]  And really, if you want to break it down from pure philosophical libertarian terms, there was theft of the worst kind, that they stole somebody's life.
[01:26:53]  And when you steal something, you're kind of like, you owe that person back for what you stole.
[01:26:58]  Now, in the case of stealing someone's life, that person isn't really around anymore.
[01:27:01]  But the argument would be that you owe their family, you owe the people around them.
[01:27:04]  And if those people want to see you fucking, you know, kicked out of society or killed or whatever, it's a different argument than just you took an idea from somebody.
[01:27:17]  Anyway, I just want to I want to move on because we don't have much more time in the show, but I do agree with you that there is that, you know, people can come together and make whatever agreements they want to.
[01:27:30]  I just have a tough time saying that ideas are property.
[01:27:35]  Okay, hold on.
[01:27:36]  I lost my place on this.
[01:27:38]  So let me see if I can get back to where were the questions that we were.
[01:27:46]  Okay.
[01:27:49]  Shit.
[01:27:50]  Lost the fucking thread.
[01:27:54]  All right.
[01:27:55]  When are you coming to DC?
[01:27:57]  We're working on that one, buddy.
[01:28:00]  When are you coming to Pittsburgh?
[01:28:02]  Maybe we'll try to do that as well.
[01:28:04]  A lot of talk.
[01:28:06]  When will you talk to Jay Dreyer?
[01:28:08]  Do I know?
[01:28:09]  I feel like the name's familiar, but I'm not remembering who that is.
[01:28:12]  I apologize.
[01:28:14]  Can I suck your dick?
[01:28:16]  That's going to be a no.
[01:28:17]  I'm going to shoot you down a no.
[01:28:18]  That was a dude asking me.
[01:28:19]  But if it was a chick, it would be the same.
[01:28:21]  The same.
[01:28:22]  Then I look for the referral.
[01:28:24]  By the way, I'll just say this.
[01:28:25]  Maybe this is more responding to that question from before.
[01:28:28]  But you know what really said?
[01:28:30]  What's kind of changed in my world?
[01:28:32]  You Shane asked that question since having a kid.
[01:28:34]  And it's not really just since having a kid.
[01:28:37]  But I think what changed probably in my worldview, and a lot of this is maybe where, you know, the kind of cultural stuff that I talk about and the traditionalism and, you know, I've kind of different views on abortion and immigration and all of these other things.
[01:28:50]  But I think what changed in my worldview, not just having the kid, but it was, you know, meeting my wife and getting married.
[01:28:59]  And that really, I think, changed my worldview more than anything else.
[01:29:04]  And I think a big part of it was I just kind of reassessed my view of traditional values and family values and things like that.
[01:29:17]  And I really am.
[01:29:18]  I know there's some, you know, left libertarians out there who feel that I've like strayed from my pure libertarianism or something like that.
[01:29:24]  But I'm as much a libertarian as I've ever been.
[01:29:27]  I mean, I don't, you know, I have nothing but tolerance for people who live different lifestyles.
[01:29:33]  I'm around a lot of people who live different lifestyles.
[01:29:35]  I don't think anybody should ever enforce any, you know, lifestyle choices on anybody, you know, but I just was somebody who lived a very different way.
[01:29:46]  You know, like I was like a degenerate for many years.
[01:29:49]  I was a comedian.
[01:29:51]  I was, you know, on the road.
[01:29:53]  I was involved in all sorts of debauchery and drug use and partying and all that stuff.
[01:29:59]  And I always wanted certain things.
[01:30:04]  Like I really, really wanted to be a professional comedian.
[01:30:08]  I really wanted to have a fan base and have a following.
[01:30:11]  I really wanted to be a political commentator.
[01:30:14]  I really wanted like all of these things.
[01:30:16]  And then I kind of got all of the things that I wanted.
[01:30:19]  And of course, I could always be more successful, but I kind of got all of the things that I wanted.
[01:30:24]  And none of them made me nearly as happy as finding my soulmate and having a child with her.
[01:30:30]  Just none of them made me as happy.
[01:30:32]  None of them were as fulfilling.
[01:30:34]  And then Once you go through that, you're kind of like, oh, wow.
[01:30:39]  And then you have this audience.
[01:30:40]  You're like, well, how an asshole I would be if I didn't tell them that.
[01:30:45]  You know what I mean?
[01:30:45]  Like, if I didn't tell you, like, hey, just so you know, this whole, you know, thousands of year old history of getting married and having kids, there's really something to it.
[01:30:54]  It's almost like we're made for this.
[01:30:56]  Like, maybe, you know, there's, there's really some value in this kind of tradition.
[01:31:04]  And so I think that more than anything else really changed my outlook is once you've kind of seen that, you're like, oh, okay.
[01:31:12]  Well, now you have like almost a different set of goggles on that you view the world through.
[01:31:17]  And you don't look at these.
[01:31:19]  It's much easier.
[01:31:20]  You know, if people want to be kind of like, oh, like, fuck religion or fuck traditionalism or fuck family values.
[01:31:26]  You're kind of like, you might be being a little bit short-sighted there.

=== Defining Intellectual Property (09:47) ===

[01:31:29]  So maybe that was a different property question.
[01:31:32]  Oh, yeah.
[01:31:33]  Okay.
[01:31:33]  Sure.
[01:31:33]  We got a few minutes left.
[01:31:34]  How would you define?
[01:31:36]  Such a great libertarian autist that you just literally just zoned out all that.
[01:31:40]  He goes, all right, as soon as Dave's done yapping about loving his wife and kids.
[01:31:44]  So back to property.
[01:31:47]  How would you define private property?
[01:31:51]  How would I, a definition of a private property?
[01:31:56]  Well, what are you asking me to define property?
[01:31:59]  Yeah, what is like, what is, what is property?
[01:32:02]  So if intellectual property doesn't exist, what categorizes something as property that you own it and someone else can't have?
[01:32:09]  Well, I would say that property would be scarce natural resources or resources that have been mixed with human labor that is privately owned.
[01:32:20]  So owned by individuals or a group of individuals.
[01:32:24]  And private property ownership, I would describe as the legal and moral right of exclusive ownership.
[01:32:33]  So in other words, not to say exclusive ownership in the sense that you alone own it.
[01:32:37]  You could own it in a group, but the right that you can exclude others from using what you have.
[01:32:43]  And like, how would you claim a natural resource as being your, like, let's say, you know, people didn't live in the West.
[01:32:49]  You walk somewhere in the West and you go, all right, I now own from blank area to blank area.
[01:32:54]  Okay, so that, it does get a little bit more murky when you merge into, and there's been different like kind of rules and there's a little bit of arbitrary, you know, there's an arbitrary aspect to what exactly you can legitimately claim you own.
[01:33:06]  You know, there's different rules where you could fence off, but it can't be more than a certain amount of acres.
[01:33:11]  Like you can't, there was the old, was it a Lockean example or something like that?
[01:33:14]  He said, you know, you can't dip your toe in the ocean and claim you owners.
[01:33:17]  So can I ask you a question from that?
[01:33:18]  Well, let me just, just to answer the question more specifically.
[01:33:21]  So if we were accepting the principle of self-ownership, the idea is that, and as you said before, I believe that we live in a world of scarcity, that this scarcity can lead to conflict.
[01:33:33]  And the purpose of law is so that we have rules that can avoid this conflict as best as possible.
[01:33:40]  So when you mix in some way your time, energy, your self-ownership to better natural resources in some way, then you have the best claim that anybody could have of that property.
[01:33:57]  What I'm somewhat taking from this is that there are arbitrary elements to what's considered property, and it's more of a social construct in order to facilitate cooperation.
[01:34:08]  And so once you introduce the element of it's more about we're all going to respect property in order for there to be an element of cooperation, there's not a lot of extension to also apply that to intellectual property.
[01:34:20]  But again, listen, I get the point you're making, and I don't even, I don't disagree with the way you characterized it.
[01:34:24]  It is to some degree a social construct, the idea of property ownership.
[01:34:29]  I mean, even the idea of self-ownership, you could say is somewhat of a social construct.
[01:34:34]  However, somewhat less so than land ownership.
[01:34:38]  However, when I say that it's the idea is that you're trying to mitigate conflict or reduce conflict or eliminate in best case scenario conflict.
[01:34:50]  The idea is that if you, let's say whatever, you mix your labor.
[01:34:55]  So you spend your time, you know, tending to land to make it more livable or to make it so you can grow crops or make it so you can build a house or whatever, you know, but you spent all of your time making land better and then someone else just moves on to that land.
[01:35:11]  Now they are taking from you your time.
[01:35:14]  Like they're taking the time and resources that you put into that land, okay?
[01:35:18]  Whereas the necklace example, again, to go make another necklace is not taking anything from you.
[01:35:25]  You still have everything that you put your time and resources into.
[01:35:28]  So the issue to me at the heart of libertarianism is who's aggressing against you.
[01:35:34]  And you can see where if you spent all day long working on something and then someone takes that physically from you, that they took your time and your effort.
[01:35:44]  I got a wild question for you.
[01:35:45]  Here we go.
[01:35:46]  Okay, let's say I'm in my basement.
[01:35:47]  You can't suck my dick.
[01:35:49]  I'm not sucking your dick.
[01:35:51]  I live in the middle of the woods.
[01:35:53]  I got this electric fence around my property.
[01:35:55]  And in my basement, I'm working on an invention that I think is going to be worth a billion dollars.
[01:36:01]  Forget a billion, $100 billion.
[01:36:02]  I figured out how to portal things from one place to another.
[01:36:07]  And the technology is actually really simple.
[01:36:09]  And I've been guarding my property.
[01:36:11]  It is simple technology.
[01:36:12]  I figured it out, dude.
[01:36:13]  And I'm in my basement and I'm working hard on this.
[01:36:15]  You trespass onto my property.
[01:36:17]  You get into my basement and you steal the designs.
[01:36:20]  Now, to you, is the only thing that I theft, the only thing, like if I were to go to court, really the only thing I'm responsible for would be I have to pay you back for trespassing and stealing a piece of paper because in truth, there is no such thing as intellectual property.
[01:36:35]  So the only thing I've stolen is being on your property and taking a piece of paper.
[01:36:41]  No.
[01:36:42]  Hmm.
[01:36:43]  Let me think about that.
[01:36:44]  Yes, but if you did that, then, you know, because you could argue that you, like, literally the piece of paper was yours, right?
[01:36:54]  And the information on it at this point was valueless.
[01:36:57]  No, no, no, I understand.
[01:36:58]  But you could demonstrate that in the same sense that, okay, and there would always, I think even in a libertarian society, there'd be some type of like tort, you know, like laws and courts and things like that.
[01:37:09]  Like if you cause like damages to someone in that way, in the same way that you could argue if you had some secret recipe or something like that, like you're KFC and you have a secret recipe and you don't tell anybody what it is.
[01:37:24]  And then you were like, you know, like keeping it a secret and then somebody broke into your house and put the secret out there.
[01:37:31]  And then that, their act of aggression of breaking in was going to cause you all of these damages.
[01:37:36]  Then I think there might be grounds for intellectual property.
[01:37:39]  Well, no, because what's- Because you're not saying, hey, I just stole a piece of paper.
[01:37:42]  No, because it's different, because it's stealing secrets of yours.
[01:37:46]  That's a lot different than if you put that information out yourself and then somebody else was just act on the information.
[01:37:52]  Do you get what I'm saying there, though?
[01:37:53]  I do think that's a real question.
[01:37:55]  I create a design for a product that I want to bring to the market and I get a patent for it.
[01:38:00]  So in your opinion, someone could even take your patent.
[01:38:03]  There's no such thing as intellectual property.
[01:38:05]  You don't own anything.
[01:38:05]  And there wouldn't be a patent if there's no intellectual property.
[01:38:07]  No, because, well, I'm saying, well, you're saying he shouldn't even be allowed to go get a patent.
[01:38:12]  So if he does, I have no reason not to.
[01:38:15]  That's stealing a secret.
[01:38:18]  I created, I forged a design.
[01:38:20]  Hold on, I'm not following this example.
[01:38:21]  So what's the example now?
[01:38:23]  Okay, same as KFC.
[01:38:24]  KFC keeps something and they got in a basement.
[01:38:27]  No one knows about it.
[01:38:28]  So, the idea of getting a patent is, hey, I've got this secret thing, and I want to be the exclusive person who can go profit from it.
[01:38:34]  So, I'm going to go get a patent so that everyone respects the fact, hey, this is my design, and it's nobody else's.
[01:38:40]  And you go, if you take that design, there's no such concept of owning a design.
[01:38:45]  So, to me, it's no different.
[01:38:47]  If I steal a piece of paper out of your house that has a design on it, I've stolen a piece of paper.
[01:38:51]  There's no such thing as owning a design.
[01:38:53]  Yeah, I do think, you know, I'll actually have to think about this a little bit.
[01:38:56]  It's a really good example that you've laid down.
[01:38:59]  I would say that if you do, if you break in and steal something from someone that has like information that's then going to damage you, I think there would be an argument for a tort, like some type of damages that you've created there.
[01:39:13]  But I do think that there's a big difference between that there's financial value to information.
[01:39:19]  No, I'm recognizing that the act of aggression of breaking into your house and stealing something caused you damage.
[01:39:26]  That's a lot different than what damage did it cost.
[01:39:29]  So, I'll pay you back for a piece of paper.
[01:39:30]  No, no, no, but I'm saying I'm recognizing that the idea getting out when you didn't want it out caused you some type of damage for your business that you were planning.
[01:39:38]  I'm saying to me, that's a different idea than you saying, I'm opening a hat store and I own hats.
[01:39:45]  Now, let me just say, just to say this, take your, because I get what you're saying.
[01:39:48]  I actually think that's a really good example and very challenging.
[01:39:52]  But take your example to its logical conclusion.
[01:39:56]  Can you say, like, okay, well, I have this flip hat that I made, I'm the first one, so I own all flip hats.
[01:40:01]  Why not just hats?
[01:40:03]  Why not just anything on your head?
[01:40:06]  You know, like, where do you draw the line of what you get to own?
[01:40:10]  Like, some idea.
[01:40:12]  Like, could someone just come up with, like, like, would you want to live in a or would you find it like ethical or moral to live in a society where the first person who ever put like shoelaces in a shoe gets to go, I own all shoes that have laces.
[01:40:28]  This is all my, wouldn't you feel at a certain point that this shuts down more business and is just like fucked up?
[01:40:33]  Like, you get to rule over this whole concept because you thought it was a bad thing.
[01:40:37]  Well, you can even view that a little bit differently.
[01:40:40]  So, you might be if you layer the bricks, you could go, okay, law is a construct by which people are going to cooperate because otherwise there's going to be chaos.
[01:40:49]  Now, if I have an idea, for example, of uh shoelaces, now all of a sudden everyone can wear a shoe that's more comfortable.
[01:40:57]  Um, now perhaps me sharing this with everyone's gonna benefit everyone.
[01:41:01]  I could duct tape my shoes that you don't know I have a shoelace in there and no one actually knows.
[01:41:05]  I don't want it, I don't want credit, but the entire world is going to benefit from me.
[01:41:09]  Let's go with a better example.
[01:41:10]  I got a drug, a lot of people are going to benefit if I let them know, hey, I've got this thing, and people are willing to pay.
[01:41:16]  I don't know.

=== Law As A Construct (00:57) ===

[01:41:17]  I tell myself that I was like, You made a really great example a second ago, and then that gave me confidence.
[01:41:22]  I was like, oh, Rob's got another one coming here.
[01:41:25]  And I was like, duct tape the shoe.
[01:41:26]  Okay, I'm with you so far.
[01:41:28]  And then you just bailed on that.
[01:41:29]  I got to say that that one about breaking in is going to, that's there.
[01:41:32]  There's my libertarian autistic streak.
[01:41:34]  I'm going to be thinking about this for a couple of days now.
[01:41:36]  We are over time.
[01:41:37]  We will be back on Monday.
[01:41:39]  Don't forget, come see us, Philly, coming up February 21st.
[01:41:43]  Let's sell this bitch out like we did in Boston.
[01:41:45]  I need you, Philly.
[01:41:47]  February 21st, live podcast, analyze stand-up comedy show, two separate shows.
[01:41:51]  Come on out.
[01:41:52]  Go listen to Rob's Run Your Mouth, his podcast.
[01:41:55]  It's hilarious.
[01:41:56]  It's very entertaining.
[01:41:58]  And also, you'll learn something from it occasionally in between sandwich talk.
[01:42:02]  You actually do learn a thing or two.
[01:42:04]  Follow on Twitter at Robbie the Fire.
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[01:42:07]  We'll be back on Monday with a brand new episode.
[01:42:14]  Peace.