Part Of The Problem - Dave Smith - The Revolution 2.0 With Scott Horton
Aired: 2019-11-27
Duration: 01:41:34


=== Joining The Libertarian Party (14:31) ===

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[00:01:29]  We need to roll back the state.
[00:01:31]  We spy on all of our own citizens.
[00:01:33]  Our prisons are flooded with nonviolent drug offenders.
[00:01:36]  If you want to know who America's next enemy is, look at who we're funding right now.
[00:01:42]  Every single one of these problems are a result of government being way too big.
[00:01:47]  You're listening to part of the problem on the Gas Digital Network.
[00:01:51]  Here's your host, Dave Smith.
[00:01:54]  What's up, everybody?
[00:01:56]  What's up?
[00:01:57]  Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem.
[00:02:00]  Of course, I'm Dave Smith.
[00:02:02]  Very, very, very excited for this episode.
[00:02:05]  I just want to say, real quick, before we start, thank you to all you guys who came out to the Paley Center last night and came to watch me on that panel discussion.
[00:02:14]  It's up.
[00:02:14]  I saw someone put it up on YouTube, and I know people wanted me to kind of give my thoughts on the panel.
[00:02:20]  And I got other stuff planned for this episode, so I'm thinking I might do a video and throw it up on my YouTube channel later, just kind of breaking it down.
[00:02:27]  But I was arguing with a bunch of liberals who are against free speech.
[00:02:33]  So it was kind of infuriating.
[00:02:35]  But anyway, I'll talk about that later because what we got to talk about this episode is way more important.
[00:02:40]  And I have my favorite guest that we have.
[00:02:43]  The person who I've had on the show more than anybody else, and that's for a reason.
[00:02:47]  Of course, it is the great Scott Horton.
[00:02:49]  Scott is the author of the incredible book, Fool's Eren, Time to End the War in Afghanistan, and just recently put out The Great Ron Paul, which I just started reading.
[00:02:58]  And it's just phenomenal.
[00:02:59]  It's a transcription.
[00:03:01]  Is that the right way to say it?
[00:03:03]  It's the transcribed interviews with Ron Paul over the years.
[00:03:06]  And there's just so much wisdom and unbelievable, you know, valuable things in that book.
[00:03:11]  So I highly recommend you go get it.
[00:03:12]  You can grab both if you go over to the libertarianinstitute.org, where I go every single day.
[00:03:19]  It's just one of the best websites out there.
[00:03:22]  Also, you can check out Scott Horton, his podcast at scotton.
[00:03:27]  Wait, wait, am I messing this up?
[00:03:29]  ScottHorton.org, right?
[00:03:31]  ScottHorton.org and anti-war.com.
[00:03:34]  Sorry, I confuse the orgs and the comms sometimes.
[00:03:36]  They're all saved in my browser.
[00:03:38]  Anyway, Scott, thank you for coming back.
[00:03:40]  And of course, now I will say, typically, okay, one of my rules of thumb in this podcast world is I try to not do a podcast on the same topic, the same subject that Tom Woods just did, because I get a lot of people who listen to both shows.
[00:03:55]  But this is so important that we have to do another episode on basically the same thing because everybody needs to know about this.
[00:04:02]  The topic is the Libertarian Revolution 2.0.
[00:04:07]  And that's what we're going to be talking about today.
[00:04:10]  And of course, this is all about Jacob Hornberger 2020, who's running on the Libertarian Party for the nomination for president of the United States.
[00:04:19]  And this is something me and you have both been very excited about.
[00:04:22]  So why don't you just talk about it?
[00:04:23]  I know you just joined the Libertarian Party.
[00:04:26]  Why don't you tell people why you did that?
[00:04:28]  Yeah, so I went ahead and put down the 1500 and joined up a lifetime membership to show that I'm serious.
[00:04:34]  And I never have joined the Libertarian Party up until this point.
[00:04:39]  But I'm happy to have joined now.
[00:04:41]  And I'm going to be doing everything I can.
[00:04:46]  Not in association with the Libertarian Institute or anti-war.com, which are both nonprofits, but I'll be writing about this at my own website, scotthorton.org.
[00:04:54]  And I'll be doing interviews like this and whatever I can to help promote.
[00:04:59]  And I'll be going to the convention and trying to get myself elected delegate so I can vote at the national convention.
[00:05:04]  And I'm really trying to beat the bushes and get everybody I possibly can excited about this to join up and take part in this.
[00:05:13]  And trust me when I say I am right about everything, that this guy is worth it.
[00:05:18]  You can have faith in Jacob Hornberger.
[00:05:20]  He is going to be everything that we need in a Libertarian Party candidate for president this year in the same way that you could have faith in Dr. Paul, that no matter what they ask him, he always gets it right, no matter what.
[00:05:33]  And, you know, it's really reliable, really means what he says, really understands libertarianism and really understands current events and what's really going on behind the scenes.
[00:05:42]  You know, the correct slant on all of the news, just good on everything, man.
[00:05:46]  Take it to the bank.
[00:05:47]  Good on everything.
[00:05:49]  And he's a mainstay of the libertarian movement.
[00:05:52]  He has he founded and has run founded the Future Freedom Foundation 30 years ago in 1989.
[00:05:59]  He writes an article there essentially every day.
[00:06:01]  So you know exactly where he stands on everything.
[00:06:03]  And you'll see he's thoughtful about everything.
[00:06:05]  He's a generalist, but he's good on every single thing from a libertarian point of view.
[00:06:10]  And he's actually, you know, he's really great.
[00:06:13]  I mean, I can't think of a single thing that I would really disagree with him on.
[00:06:16]  I mean, taking for granted this constitution and this system of nation states and whatever, the real world that we're living in, he's not here to argue, you know, libertarian anarchist theory to the very nth degree and angels on the head of a pin.
[00:06:30]  He's a constitutionalist and a minarchist, which makes him a perfect fit for the Libertarian Party.
[00:06:36]  That's, you know, the presumptions upon which they're running anyway.
[00:06:41]  And then the idea is essentially that you and me, Dave, and all our, you know, friends and fans and all the people in the libertarian movement who so many of whom have known and loved Jacob Hornberger for so long, that we can all join the Libertarian Party.
[00:06:59]  There really has been.
[00:07:00]  It's funny, outsiders might not understand this, but in the libertarian movement, there's been this huge kind of chasm between the Libertarian Party and the Libertarian movement.
[00:07:08]  And I don't just mean sort of this or that faction of the libertarian movement, but I sort of mean the whole movement is kind of different from the party.
[00:07:16]  It's really been a funny thing.
[00:07:17]  And there's historical reasons for that that don't matter.
[00:07:20]  But the point is, here's the opportunity for the libertarian movement, all your libertarians on Facebook, everybody you ever retweeted, all those people out there, for us all to join the party and then really get behind a great libertarian candidate to run in the general and a guy who, guess what?
[00:07:38]  All the Libertarian Party mainstays who've kind of run the party all along, they all know and love him from back in history, from back in the 1990s and all through whenever they read him.
[00:07:49]  They know who he is.
[00:07:51]  And so here we have Michael Heiss and the Mises caucus and all these millennial kids who are all really excited, Ron Paul youth types, now a little bit more grown up and ready to do something important.
[00:08:03]  And they're coming into party.
[00:08:04]  And what are we insisting on?
[00:08:05]  All these people, what do we want?
[00:08:06]  Oh, we want Hornberger, the guy that they've always wanted anyway.
[00:08:10]  The guy that, where has he been our whole life?
[00:08:11]  We've missed him.
[00:08:13]  And the fact of the matter is, like, he really, and here I'll say this too about it, is there's a dichotomy in the Libertarian Party, especially.
[00:08:22]  And I want to say it's a false dichotomy, but it's not that simple.
[00:08:26]  It's a real dichotomy and it's based on some real things.
[00:08:31]  And what it is, is it's the split between the radicals and the pragmatists, basically.
[00:08:36]  Okay.
[00:08:36]  So I'm on the side of the radicals here, but let me state the pragmatist case the best I can, as charitable as I can.
[00:08:43]  Okay.
[00:08:44]  They think that, look, what we need is not to scare everybody away with radical libertarian ideology that no one will understand, you know, legalize drugs and prostitution and whatever, and just make everyone run away.
[00:08:57]  And that instead, what we should do is we should find kind of warmed over Republican types who lean fiscal conservative and can bring us, bring the party attention, make us look like grown-ups and professionals for having people with reputations, you know, associate with us, former governors and congressmen and people like that, and raise a little money, get a little bit of media attention and grow the party slowly but surely.
[00:09:20]  And then someday something.
[00:09:22]  And so that makes sense on the face of it at least.
[00:09:26]  You know, it's a plausible take.
[00:09:28]  And then from those same people's point of view, you could look at the radicals and say a lot of times the radicals are totally missing the point.
[00:09:36]  And the radicals are off, you know, essentially arguing the kind of stuff that belongs in a libertarian email group where everybody's, you know, having a contest for who's the most libertarian guy in the room according to, you know, which theory and whatever, angels on the head of a pin stuff that doesn't appeal to or even, you know, make sense to people on the outside.
[00:09:59]  And so if you're a pragmatist and you look at some of the goofier radicals, then you go, well, what's the point of that?
[00:10:06]  I mean, clearly that reinforces the pragmatic angle.
[00:10:09]  But so my thing is that Jacob Hornberger is the solution to all of that because he is a radical, but he's the right kind of radical.
[00:10:16]  He's a minarchist and he's absolutely pure on theory.
[00:10:19]  I'm not saying that he's wishy-washy on theory at all.
[00:10:21]  He's extremely principled.
[00:10:22]  Please go read his articles.
[00:10:23]  You'll see he's extremely principled on all this stuff, but he's not like in a pissing contest over who's the most libertarian.
[00:10:30]  That's not what he's trying to do.
[00:10:31]  His radicalism is in his radical opposition to the U.S. government and what it's doing.
[00:10:38]  The wars, especially the Federal Reserve that causes the horrible boom-bust cycle that dislocates the entire economy every 10 years or so.
[00:10:45]  The wars on drugs, the art of you know, all the subsidies and problems with the welfare state and the regulatory state, rigging the game, especially in healthcare, where it's essentially the supply businesses, the supply side and the government in on a conspiracy against the consumers of healthcare to rig the prices artificially high at grandma's expense.
[00:11:08]  And it's so bad that you have real no-fooling conservatives thinking about voting for Bernie Sanders because somebody's got to pick up this incredible tab that's not generated by the free market, that's generated by our crony capitalist system and welfare state system in healthcare.
[00:11:23]  He's got all the right arguments for that.
[00:11:25]  So in other words, it's really taking on what are the most important issues to the American people.
[00:11:31]  I could have mentioned the problems of drugs and the problem of the drug wars, all of those kinds of things and on and on.
[00:11:39]  And it's taking things that really are at the top of the list of priorities of the American people that they care the most about.
[00:11:47]  And, you know, he really cares about these things, knows everything about them and knows the libertarian answer and how to explain the libertarian answer in a way that can be understood and appealed to everyone in America.
[00:11:58]  I mean, my presumption being, and I think he agrees with Is it, very few of us are already libertarians, right?
[00:12:05]  But he needs to be able to talk to everyone in 150 million Americans lean left and 150 million of them lean right, all to varying degrees.
[00:12:15]  And yet, the libertarian answer is the right one.
[00:12:17]  It should be good enough for all of them.
[00:12:20]  And so he's great at explaining that.
[00:12:22]  And we're in an era where the center is totally discredited.
[00:12:25]  John McCain is dead.
[00:12:26]  Hillary Clinton is defeated.
[00:12:28]  The House fell right on the Wicked Witch.
[00:12:29]  She's gone.
[00:12:30]  And so the center is totally discredited.
[00:12:33]  Same thing in Europe with Brexit and in the European Parliament, all right-wingers and populists elected to the European Parliament in the last few elections and all this.
[00:12:42]  And it's the rejection of the entire post-Cold War centrist, so-called neoliberal, neoconservative consensus of crony capitalism and empire and war.
[00:12:52]  And it's all broken now.
[00:12:54]  That Donald Trump sitting in that chair as we speak is all the proof you need of that.
[00:12:59]  But then as people are moving further to the left and further to the right, we don't want that.
[00:13:03]  People are embracing socialism and nationalism.
[00:13:06]  That's not what we need.
[00:13:07]  What we need is freedom.
[00:13:08]  What we need is liberty.
[00:13:09]  And as Ron Paul said, freedom brings people together.
[00:13:12]  The reason everybody hates each other so much is because they're all fighting over total power, the ability to make everything the way you want at the expense of everyone who doesn't want it that way.
[00:13:22]  And so that's why it's a battle royale to the death kind of thing because the stakes are so hot.
[00:13:28]  But if we just believe in freedom and you can do your wrong thing and I'll do my wrong thing and we'll leave each other alone about it, then we can continue to get along and share this country together that we all happen to actually live in.
[00:13:40]  And so that's what we need to do.
[00:13:41]  We need to not pass a bunch of new programs.
[00:13:44]  We need to just stop doing all the things our government's doing.
[00:13:48]  We need to end the wars.
[00:13:49]  We need to end the welfare state, end the regulatory state, end all the subsidies for immigration and all the prohibitions against it.
[00:13:57]  And everything that is all screwed up will dry up.
[00:14:02]  You know, that's the thing.
[00:14:04]  All of these problems, every one of them, the healthcare crisis and education, this sounds somehow petty to people or something like, oh, middle-class people complaining about the price of college, like only poor people matter or something that that's like a stuck up concern or whatever.
[00:14:18]  But actually, if you're say you make a good living, but still your son or daughter has to sell themselves into some kind of virtual debt slavery until they're 34 or something to pay off their student loans just to get a higher education.

=== Ending The Welfare State (04:42) ===

[00:14:32]  Again, just like with the healthcare system, it's the subsidies and all the regulations, but especially it's all the government guarantees and price supports that drive the prices up so bad that you need them.
[00:14:44]  And so, in other words, you know, all of this stuff, every one of these crises caused by the U.S. government, in every one of these cases, Jacob Hornberger understands exactly how it works and exactly what the right answer is.
[00:14:57]  And he's the perfect guy to do it.
[00:14:58]  And like Ron Paul, he's a perfectly square character.
[00:15:01]  He's a Catholic.
[00:15:02]  He's a decent man.
[00:15:04]  You know, I just was looking at an email a friend sent in about how he ran into him early at the Ron Paul event in Houston a couple of weeks ago and how they just sat there talking and what a genuinely nice guy he was and asked all about him and where he's from and all these things and whatever.
[00:15:19]  And in fact, I had a call with him the other day.
[00:15:20]  You might have heard me say on Tom's show.
[00:15:22]  He called me and he'd gone around canvassing, talking to people in, I'm going to say Raleigh, North Carolina, or something like that.
[00:15:30]  And he just loved it.
[00:15:31]  He's like, wow, it's sure something to be out from behind my desk where I'm writing all the time and just meeting people.
[00:15:36]  And essentially, right, running for president is a great pretext to talk to somebody, anybody, right?
[00:15:41]  Like, hey, what are you concerned about?
[00:15:43]  Well, here's the libertarian answer to that.
[00:15:44]  How do you like that?
[00:15:45]  And again, we're right on everything.
[00:15:47]  So it's a pretty easy sell.
[00:15:48]  And he's a great guy.
[00:15:50]  They can tell.
[00:15:51]  And so he's having already, he's having the time of his life doing this thing.
[00:15:54]  And I just think, man, it is absolutely our responsibility to do everything we can to help support this guy and to lift him up, to make his name famous because it's not.
[00:16:02]  That's the one drawback.
[00:16:03]  He's not a former senator.
[00:16:04]  He does have an advanced degree.
[00:16:06]  He's a lawyer, not that he's been practicing.
[00:16:09]  He runs the FFF, but he has an advanced degree.
[00:16:12]  He's a professional level guy in that sense.
[00:16:15]  But he's not famous yet.
[00:16:16]  So we got to work on that.
[00:16:17]  But that's the part that's up to us.
[00:16:19]  The Ron Paul Revolution and plus all the rest of the libertarian revolution out there and the liberty movement out there.
[00:16:25]  Here's another thing that we can do.
[00:16:27]  And, you know, my email's going crazy over it.
[00:16:30]  I hope yours is.
[00:16:30]  Tom Woods told me he knows that at the very least, hundreds of people have already signed up through his link in reaction to my interview on his show, which just posted the other day.
[00:16:39]  So that's a good start.
[00:16:42]  But, you know, everybody in all y'all's Facebook groups and all y'all, whatever, get talking about this.
[00:16:47]  And, you know, I hate to be so pushy about anything, but what the hell?
[00:16:50]  We're just talking about supporting Hornberger's speaking to her on behalf of freedom here.
[00:16:55]  I don't work for him in any official way.
[00:16:57]  You know, I'm just a big booster, just like I'm asking everybody else to be.
[00:17:00]  There's nothing in it for me.
[00:17:02]  I'm not trying to be manipulative.
[00:17:04]  I'm just being pushy in the sense that maybe people need to hear that.
[00:17:07]  Like, look, this time, it's really important.
[00:17:11]  You get out from behind Facebook and you actually go down to the hotel where they're having the thing and make sure bring your cousin Jimmy with you and bring your father-in-law and vote for each other for delegate and get the spot.
[00:17:23]  Do the work required to join your state's libertarian party too, not just the national party and become a delegate.
[00:17:30]  Figure out what it takes.
[00:17:31]  It's not that hard, but you do have to do the work.
[00:17:34]  And in fact, you know, we're already kind of, I don't know, officially, but pretty much we've joined forces with Michael Heiss and the Mises caucus.
[00:17:42]  And they've done all this groundwork and they've been working and working for years now.
[00:17:47]  Oh, there you go.
[00:17:47]  See, what's this?
[00:17:48]  Oh, there you go.
[00:17:50]  So they've been working for years on building these networks up for us to use here and knows he knows all the rules.
[00:17:56]  And so if you look at lpmisescaucus.com or if you look up the Mises caucus on Facebook, you can interact with all of those guys, whatever state you're in.
[00:18:05]  They can help you find the rules, help you figure out when's the convention at what hotel and which town and how much it costs for all that you have to do to be a delegate.
[00:18:14]  In some states, you have to have been a party member for at least 30 or 60 days first or whatever.
[00:18:19]  There are different rules.
[00:18:20]  So people got to do a little bit of work, but it's totally worth it.
[00:18:23]  And just remember the Ron Paul Revolution, how huge that was.
[00:18:26]  And that was working against the entire Republican machine from within it.
[00:18:30]  But what if we have all that support on this outsider campaign and it's just all about this guy?
[00:18:37]  And not to be too rude and totally discount the other libertarians, but it just seems like, man, this is the guy to get behind for real.
[00:18:43]  We can make a whole Ron Paul revolution out of Jacob Hornberger right here, you know?
[00:18:47]  Yeah, we got a year to.
[00:18:48]  This is what's so exciting.
[00:18:49]  What's so exciting about having Hornberger running is that it has been since 2012 that we had a great libertarian running on the presidential ticket.
[00:19:01]  And now, listen, there is a lot of people and myself included, maybe around that time in 2012, it was like, well, you know, it doesn't even matter if you have someone running for president.
[00:19:11]  These ideas can just disseminate through the internet and stuff like that.

=== Becoming A Better Man (02:33) ===

[00:19:14]  But look, looking at the empirical evidence since then, it's really, really hurt us that we haven't had a great, true, pure libertarian out there giving our, you know, giving the correct answers.
[00:19:26]  There was nothing.
[00:19:27]  We've had some people who kind of lean in the right direction, some people who are good on certain issues.
[00:19:31]  We even, look, libertarians get excited about Tulsi Gabbard being in the Democratic debates because you go, as you put it at the Ron Paul Symposium, we've got one person who's the least wrong on the most important issue.
[00:19:43]  So it's like, hey, guys, check her out.
[00:19:45]  She's less wrong than these other guys.
[00:19:48]  But I really miss those Ron Paul days where you had someone who you just knew was going to give the right answer on every single goddamn question on every topic and just be the one who was no matter what the topic was, whether they were talking about taxes or monetary policy or health care or wars or history of the country or anything, every dumb person on that stage was going to have the exact same view.
[00:20:14]  And then there was this country doctor who was like, wow, he's thought about this way more than any of them.
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[00:21:36]  Let me just say this to just take you on my journey a little bit.
[00:21:40]  And I know a lot of people who listen to the show know this already, but I was not, I've been a member of the Libertarian Party for a little over a year now.

=== Starting A Ron Paul Revolution (09:53) ===

[00:21:47]  I was not a Libertarian Party guy at all.
[00:21:49]  I came into this world through the Ron Paul Republican presidential campaigns.
[00:21:55]  And when Ron Paul was asked, which they would ask him all the time, you know, they would say, well, are you going to run third party as a libertarian to do the thing you were talking about?
[00:22:02]  You know, look past the failure and go, well, obviously you're going to fail.
[00:22:06]  So they go, well, you know, you're not really a Republican.
[00:22:08]  You're really a libertarian.
[00:22:09]  Why aren't you over there?
[00:22:10]  And Ron Paul would say, he would go, well, you know, all the rules are kind of rigged against third parties anyway.
[00:22:14]  So I'm just going to run as a Republican and I'm the true Republican.
[00:22:17]  And that was like, to me at the time, I was like, good enough for me.
[00:22:19]  Good enough for me.
[00:22:20]  Yeah, forget third parties.
[00:22:21]  Libertarian party is irrelevant.
[00:22:23]  And then Ron Paul was always a better libertarian than the libertarian.
[00:22:26]  It's not like they were putting Harry Browns up.
[00:22:28]  It was Gary Johnson.
[00:22:29]  So it was like, yeah, we'll just go with the Republican Party.
[00:22:31]  And that was kind of my attitude in general.
[00:22:33]  Forget third parties.
[00:22:35]  And then something different happened in 2016.
[00:22:38]  And there was two elements to what happened.
[00:22:40]  Number one was Rand Paul fell flat on his face.
[00:22:43]  And that was in many ways because Rand Paul just, I don't know, there's a few elements.
[00:22:49]  He didn't understand the moment he was in.
[00:22:50]  He moderated too much and he didn't seem to enjoy the process.
[00:22:53]  And he, you know, there were a million problems with the Rand Paul campaign.
[00:22:56]  So that failed.
[00:22:57]  And then that was when I started to re-look at this thing where you went, oh, wow, this is kind of an interesting situation.
[00:23:07]  You've got the two most unpopular candidates and for good reason that have ever run since they've been taking the polls on popularity of candidates, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump had the highest unlikabilities of the highest negatives of any candidates ever, both in the same race, which is the only reason why it wasn't like a 49 state blowout and it was a very close race because everyone hated both of them, or at least a lot of people hated both of them.
[00:23:31]  And then you had this third party that bore the name libertarian as the alternative to this horribleness.
[00:23:40]  And right away, I was like, huh, you know, this does, there seems to be some opportunity there.
[00:23:44]  And then, of course, they ran Gary Johnson and Bill Weld and it was just a fucking shit show.
[00:23:48]  And you were just horrible on just about every issue.
[00:23:51]  And it ended up doing nothing.
[00:23:53]  They got some protest votes, but really did nothing.
[00:23:55]  But around that time, I started thinking to myself, wow, what an opportunity this would have been had there been a really great libertarian running on this libertarian party.
[00:24:06]  And right now, I got to say, looking into 2020, I think the opportunity is even bigger because Donald Trump, for everything that he's done in there, he has, he's still, he can't crack 45% approval rating.
[00:24:19]  He just can't.
[00:24:20]  The negatives are too high on him.
[00:24:21]  He's going through an impeachment hearing right now.
[00:24:23]  He's not come through on so many of the biggest promises of his campaign.
[00:24:28]  I mean, even if it's like not a libertarian thing that you're particularly concerned about, there still isn't any wall built.
[00:24:34]  There still isn't like so many things that he hasn't come through on.
[00:24:37]  The Democrats are losing their fucking minds.
[00:24:40]  They've got Elizabeth Warren, who looks like the most likely to win right now, is proposing a $52 trillion healthcare plan.
[00:24:48]  She's proposing a healthcare plan that's bigger than the whole government.
[00:24:51]  Bernie Sanders is 80.
[00:24:52]  He just had a heart attack in the DNC.
[00:24:54]  I'll never let him win.
[00:24:54]  Joe Biden can't put a sentence together.
[00:24:56]  This is going to be a shit show again.
[00:24:59]  And on top of all of that, the establishment is more discredited than ever.
[00:25:04]  The news media, the corporate press is more discredited than ever.
[00:25:08]  And now all of a sudden, so when I, anyway, so Michael Heiss and these guys started up the Mises caucus.
[00:25:14]  And I was like, okay, here are these young guys who are really passionate.
[00:25:17]  They want to get the Ron Paul revolution going again.
[00:25:20]  And the reason I joined, I'm not somebody who cares that much about like local races and stuff like that.
[00:25:25]  That's great.
[00:25:26]  If you can go get a libertarian elected in some local race, maybe you got a big impact.
[00:25:29]  But what I care about is the philosophy.
[00:25:31]  I care about the bigger issues of the injustices that the federal government perpetrates all around this world, the empire, which is the United States federal government.
[00:25:41]  And from the very beginning, I was like, what we need to do here is we need to get a really great libertarian running for president.
[00:25:49]  And it was a while ago when you told me that there were like, you were like, look, I think there's a good chance that Jacob Hornberger might do this.
[00:25:58]  And I remember thinking like, wow, that would be great.
[00:26:00]  I mean, if we could get Jacob Hornberger to run, then that's our guy because that's got to be like one of, I mean, in the whole country, he's got to be top three or four people that you could possibly think would run it.
[00:26:11]  And the other one is Ron Paul and maybe Tom Woods.
[00:26:13]  And like, that's it.
[00:26:14]  Like he's the next guy that you'd want to be this guy.
[00:26:17]  And then he didn't announce for a while.
[00:26:18]  So I was kind of thinking like, I remember you had told me this was a possibility, but I kind of thought, yeah, well, I guess he decided he didn't want to do it.
[00:26:24]  Didn't want to put himself through that or whatever.
[00:26:27]  But then, of course, he just came out and announced.
[00:26:29]  And to me, that's like it.
[00:26:30]  If we got Jacob Hornberger running, then this is obviously the moment to get right back in there.
[00:26:36]  The libertarian moment can be more alive than ever.
[00:26:40]  And the other big thing, the other big elephant in the room is that we all know that this next bust is coming pretty fucking soon.
[00:26:48]  And we're the only ones who have the answer for this.
[00:26:51]  We're the only ones who have an explanation for this.
[00:26:54]  It's really funny.
[00:26:54]  Like I've seen, you know, it's like these people on the left who, you know, they're like the mainstream kind of Democrat, liberal left consensus on the financial meltdown was that greed took over or capitalism.
[00:27:12]  I guess like greed spiked in 2004, 2005, and then it crashed in 2008 or something like that.
[00:27:18]  Like the greed meter went up or something.
[00:27:21]  And then the nationalist kind of like, you know, populist right thing is something like, I think Donald Trump would say we need very smart people making very good deals or something.
[00:27:33]  Like nobody has an answer for this boom bust cycle, but they all do kind of seem to know that the next bust is coming.
[00:27:39]  And we all know this next bust is going to be bad.
[00:27:41]  It's quite possibly going to be worse than 2008.
[00:27:44]  So this is the opportunity to get the guy in there who has the message.
[00:27:47]  The wars have never been more unpopular.
[00:27:50]  The establishment has never been more unpopular.
[00:27:52]  And it's about goddamn time we got someone up there telling the truth again.
[00:27:57]  And we haven't had it since Ron Paul.
[00:27:58]  So this is, this is very exciting.
[00:28:00]  I'm 100% behind Hornberger.
[00:28:02]  He's my guy for this election.
[00:28:04]  And yeah, let's go take this bitch over.
[00:28:07]  It's done.
[00:28:08]  If everyone who listens to this show decides to become a member, it's our party.
[00:28:11]  That's it.
[00:28:12]  So let's fucking do it.
[00:28:14]  Yeah, man, absolutely.
[00:28:15]  And on that note, especially, man, I know that there are 70,000 people here in this show.
[00:28:22]  And so that is many times the entire number of members of the National Libertarian Party.
[00:28:28]  And so, you know what it is?
[00:28:31]  We're being rude and we're crashing the party, but we're bringing Hornberger.
[00:28:35]  That's all we want.
[00:28:36]  We're not trying to do anything but give them the best guy that our movement has to offer who they already know and love anyway.
[00:28:43]  There's nothing to fight about.
[00:28:44]  There's no reason for them to feel threatened.
[00:28:47]  There's every reason, though, for us, you guys listening, to show up and make sure that this happens.
[00:28:55]  Because what if we do just have another Gary Johnson, another unremarkable candidate instead?
[00:29:00]  There is a threat that Lincoln Chafee, the former senator, former Democrat, former Republican, turned Democrat, turned libertarian, that he might run.
[00:29:09]  And there, you know, the pragmatists that I mentioned in the party, to them, that's music to their ears.
[00:29:15]  I mean, the guy was, I think, a governor and then a senator.
[00:29:18]  And everybody on TV knows him and likes him and would love to interview him.
[00:29:25]  And it makes sense from that very surface kind of point of view I was talking about earlier as a pragmatist that that's the kind of guy that they would want to run.
[00:29:33]  But so we just need to make sure that that's not an option.
[00:29:36]  This guy, and I think Lincoln Chafee is a decent man.
[00:29:39]  I think, you know, he did run in the primaries against Hillary just because of her foreign policy.
[00:29:45]  And then he dropped out thinking wrongly that, oh, Bernie Sanders in the race now.
[00:29:50]  And I'm sure he'll attack her foreign policy.
[00:29:52]  So I don't need to worry about it.
[00:29:53]  So he went ahead and dropped out.
[00:29:54]  And then Sanders didn't say anything about her foreign policy at all.
[00:29:57]  And so it was a big wasted opportunity.
[00:29:59]  I'm sure he regrets that.
[00:30:01]  I think he is sincere about his anti-war stuff.
[00:30:04]  However, he's brand new to our movement.
[00:30:06]  He couldn't possibly be our standard bearer.
[00:30:08]  He's brand new and we welcome him and he should learn a lot about libertarianism.
[00:30:12]  It's not the same thing as liberal Republicanism where he comes from.
[00:30:15]  It's a different animal altogether.
[00:30:17]  And we're happy to have him and happy to have him learn about that.
[00:30:20]  The fact that he's sincere in his anti-war beliefs is great too.
[00:30:24]  You know, and he can lead with that.
[00:30:26]  That's fine.
[00:30:27]  But to be our standard bearer in the election of 2020, not on your life, man.
[00:30:32]  No way.
[00:30:33]  We got to make sure that that doesn't happen.
[00:30:35]  So that's a call to all 70,000 of Dave's listeners.
[00:30:39]  And so I hope you'll all show up.
[00:30:41]  Again, lpmisescaucus.com is where you find the Mises caucus.
[00:30:46]  Michael Heiss is their fearless leader, but they got a great group of guys over there and they'll give you all the help that you need to find out what you need to do to, you know, the step by step to make sure you get it right.
[00:30:57]  Join the National Party, join your state party, figure out when the convention is and what you have to do and who you got to bring in your life, your family and your friends with you to all support each other to get those delegate spots.
[00:31:11]  And then in May, we're all going to meet here in Austin and have a big party and make Hornberger the nominee.
[00:31:16]  And then, man, are we going to jerk the Republicans and Democrats' chains for six months after that?
[00:31:21]  It's going to be fantastic, man.
[00:31:23]  It's going to be awesome.
[00:31:25]  Yeah.
[00:31:25]  No, it really will.
[00:31:27]  I just, it's getting me excited again.
[00:31:30]  I mean, I've really like, I've just watched, there's been like this almost like, for me, like I was first introduced to the ideas of Liberty in 2007.

=== Wearing Untucked Shirts (02:25) ===

[00:31:41]  And those first few years, you know, I was just like obsessing over it and reading a lot about it and getting into all this stuff.
[00:31:47]  And then 2012, it was like this amazing time, man, 2012, where we really, we really did do something there.
[00:31:54]  And obviously it didn't work out as well as it could have.
[00:31:57]  I mean, I still am heartbroken over Ron Paul not winning Iowa.
[00:32:01]  I mean, technically he won it, but they didn't call it for him.
[00:32:03]  And that's all that really matters.
[00:32:05]  They called Mitt Romney's name.
[00:32:06]  And then, you know, a month later when they tell, you know, it's kind of like how we just found out, you know, like now you get that WikiLeaks thing that's like, oh, it looks like Assad didn't actually gas his own people.
[00:32:15]  By the way, me and Scott were completely right about that from the beginning.
[00:32:18]  But anyway, yeah, that's just a little aside.
[00:32:21]  We're completely right.
[00:32:22]  We're still waiting for SE Cup's apology.
[00:32:24]  I won't hold my breath.
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=== Bringing Our Troops Home (16:07) ===

[00:34:06]  All right, let's get back into the show.
[00:34:08]  But anyway, but so, you know, it's like it's that, it didn't work because it wasn't at the time.
[00:34:13]  And, but man, I mean, you think about the impact, how many people's lives were changed through those campaigns.
[00:34:18]  The fact that Donald Trump was able to come along to the Republicans and run against the wars and win.
[00:34:23]  I mean, this was all groundwork that Ron Paul had laid.
[00:34:26]  And now there's so much more of that groundwork.
[00:34:29]  And it's just, it's, I've watched what happened to the Liberty movement since 2012.
[00:34:34]  And believe me, it's been fine for me.
[00:34:36]  It's been the best time of my career since 2012.
[00:34:39]  Like, I've built up a good thing here, but I want to see, like, I want a bigger, broader movement that can actually do something.
[00:34:46]  And frankly, we really, if you are one of those people who's just out on Facebook or talking about this out, you know, like tweeting at people about how, you know, because we're right about everything.
[00:34:56]  So it's fun to tweet at people and show them why they're wrong.
[00:34:59]  But we don't have any other choice than to go for it, to take a shot.
[00:35:03]  Because man, things are getting pretty serious and pretty ugly.
[00:35:07]  I mean, this country is, there's getting, it's not just that it's being torn apart and being polarized.
[00:35:14]  That would be fine enough if people were just going to go their separate ways and just have decentralization or whatever, but it's getting torn apart and more polarized while the federal government is getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
[00:35:25]  And that's a really dangerous combination.
[00:35:28]  And we need to insert the basic common sense principles of liberty back into the conversation.
[00:35:35]  This can't just be a battle between like some type of neo-Marxism and neo-fascism.
[00:35:41]  That can't be the whole conversation.
[00:35:43]  There needs to be the obvious common sense middle ground of what the story of our country is supposed to be anyway, which is the Bill of Rights, liberty, the thing that should be able to rally Americans around it if there's any chance for anything.
[00:35:59]  And so we might as well take a shot.
[00:36:00]  I'll say this too.
[00:36:01]  I had a, this is, here's one of the things where it's already had an impact on me since Hornberger announced is that now I'm, and I, there, there was a beautiful thing that a lot of people who are in the liberty movement or were in it back in the Ron Paul days is like, I know there's infighting in the libertarian movement and the libertarian party and stuff like that, but it didn't really used to be the way it is now.
[00:36:22]  In the Ron Paul days, the liberty movement was pretty united behind Ron Paul.
[00:36:27]  And then after his campaign, everyone kind of split up into these warring factions.
[00:36:31]  And I'll tell you already, just from Hornberger announcing, I was tagged in this Facebook post, some like left libertarian Facebook page, and they were shitting on me for being against Trump being impeached.
[00:36:44]  You know, it's like these left libertarians who were like, oh, Dave doesn't even care about abuse of power and he doesn't realize how terrible this phone call to Ukraine or whatever, you know, like however terrible this whole thing is to hold up military aid or blah, blah, blah, blah, and, you know, and they tagged me in it.
[00:36:59]  And so I argued like for a little bit with them, like a couple posts.
[00:37:02]  And then after like going back and forth a few times and a few of them being kind of nasty to me, I just went, hey guys, guess what?
[00:37:08]  I don't care about any of this.
[00:37:10]  I don't care about this.
[00:37:11]  Fuck Trump.
[00:37:12]  He sucks.
[00:37:13]  And fuck the Dems.
[00:37:14]  They suck too.
[00:37:15]  Go check out Jacob Hornberger, man.
[00:37:17]  He's our guy.
[00:37:18]  He's the guy for you and for me.
[00:37:19]  Let's all get behind him.
[00:37:21]  And it's already now when you just have a leader who is a good leader, you go, you know what?
[00:37:26]  I'm starting to realize how petty all these differences are.
[00:37:28]  I don't really care if you think Donald Trump sucks.
[00:37:31]  I mean, so, okay, Donald Trump sucks.
[00:37:33]  He should be impeached.
[00:37:33]  Then we're going to get Mike Pence.
[00:37:35]  You like that?
[00:37:35]  Do you like that guy?
[00:37:37]  Do you like Elizabeth Warren?
[00:37:38]  Do you like Joe Biden?
[00:37:39]  No, me neither.
[00:37:40]  I don't like any of these guys too.
[00:37:41]  We're all together on this, man.
[00:37:43]  So let's just get Jacob Hornberger in.
[00:37:45]  And then like that kind of like, they just kind of stopped.
[00:37:47]  I mean, they didn't like agree with me or give me credit, but it's at least like you see, like this can bring people together who actually care about the issues that matter the most, which is ending these fucking wars, drastically reducing government spending and government regulation, freeing up the market and healthcare, ending the disastrous war on drugs.
[00:38:05]  Like these things are so fucking important and they ruin so many people's lives, like real human beings' lives.
[00:38:12]  It's just a goddamn mass tragedy.
[00:38:14]  And if we can start talking about those issues that no one else wants to talk about, nobody.
[00:38:19]  I guarantee you, all those issues I just named will, if it's Trump versus Warren, they won't come up.
[00:38:24]  No one will bring them up.
[00:38:25]  We'll just pretend like they don't.
[00:38:26]  I mean, Donald Trump will say end the wars.
[00:38:28]  Elizabeth Warren will say end the wars and neither of them will fucking do it.
[00:38:31]  Like we both know, neither of them will do it.
[00:38:33]  So let's fucking take a shot with Jacob Hornberger.
[00:38:35]  He's our guy.
[00:38:36]  Yeah.
[00:38:36]  And here's the thing too, man, is I don't know any libertarian who was born a billionaire or, you know, whose dad runs the chamber of commerce in the gigantic city they live in or has a lobbying firm that actually gets things done their way without real high power type things.
[00:38:58]  We're just a bunch of regular slubs here, all of us in the libertarian movement, a bunch of guys with essentially very little power and influence to move the margin on anything.
[00:39:08]  Best thing we can do is try our very best to change the narrative, which is just like what you're doing with your show, just like I'm trying to do here.
[00:39:15]  And then, so a presidential campaign like this and a libertarian party campaign and with a guy like Jacob Hornberger is essentially like all of a sudden we're now billionaires.
[00:39:25]  Now we have a chance to have a billionaire's worth of influence on the margin, not just pissing in the wind like always, but something we can really do.
[00:39:34]  Most Americans don't pay attention to politics except in a presidential election year.
[00:39:38]  And even then, all they pay attention to is the presidential election, the one that they have the least influence in, which is fun.
[00:39:45]  But anyway, this is what they pay attention to.
[00:39:47]  Who's going to be the leader of the country?
[00:39:50]  That's the race that captures the most attention and imagination.
[00:39:54]  And so that's exactly where we want to be running.
[00:39:57]  And again, not just in the primaries, but in the general election, all the way up until next November is the plan here.
[00:40:03]  And that's the kind of PR stunt that you could not make up.
[00:40:08]  You could fly a Jacob Hornberger blimp over every major city in America for 10 years and not get as far as having the guy run for president and say all the stuff that we think, all the stuff we want him out there saying, and in the context of running for chief executive.
[00:40:27]  And that's the key to everything.
[00:40:28]  It's a ton of free publicity.
[00:40:30]  And, you know, while I'm on this point, I've been making that same claim kind of construct of a thing to my new friends at bringourtroopshome.us, which is this new right-leaning group of combat veterans, all of them from the 21st century terror wars, Iraq and Afghanistan and more.
[00:40:49]  And so they're think they're brand new at this.
[00:40:53]  It's a brand new group that's been around just a few months, although it's really spreading like a lot really fast around the country.
[00:41:00]  They have all new chapters and all these things.
[00:41:03]  And here they are playing the Horton rule to the perfect T, attacking the right from the right and doing everything they can to undermine support for the war on the right and everything they can to bolster anti-war forces on the right, like the state houses that are coordinated by the Young Americans for Liberty.
[00:41:20]  They're introducing these defend the guard resolutions to say that the national government is forbidden from activating their state guard forces unless they have a constitutional declaration of war, which is driving the war party crazy.
[00:41:34]  This kind of thing.
[00:41:35]  These guys also, none of them are billionaires.
[00:41:38]  None of them own a third of a state somewhere.
[00:41:40]  None of them are the heir to some Exxon fortune or some kind of thing.
[00:41:46]  They're all a bunch of regular guys.
[00:41:47]  They're combat veterans, most of them infantry, some officers, but they're regular guys.
[00:41:53]  And so how can a group of guys like them really wield influence in an outsized way, right?
[00:42:01]  How can they punch above their weight as a group of guys who don't control some big lobbying firm somehow?
[00:42:08]  And then so the answer is you play the, you attack the right from the right.
[00:42:11]  You use the Horton rule and you go after the core narrative in America that the right, largely speaking, supports foreign intervention.
[00:42:22]  They like kick and butt.
[00:42:23]  They hate and fear Muslims and explosions are cool on TV.
[00:42:27]  So keep the wars going forever.
[00:42:29]  Is that what the right things?
[00:42:31]  Or is that not what the right things?
[00:42:33]  And the election of Donald Trump goes to show that they were ready to hear the renunciation of George W. Bush, just one presidency removed from his power.
[00:42:42]  They were willing to hear Donald Trump support Donald Trump's election on Bush's ashes.
[00:42:47]  And so they definitely, you know, the time is ripe for the right, broadly speaking in America to be led by groups like bringourtroopshome.us, who are doing this great work.
[00:43:00]  And then what?
[00:43:01]  And then change the entire understanding of the American people at large.
[00:43:07]  It turns out that old narrative that the right wants to fight and the right just is interested in macho and hating Arabs and whatever, that that era is over.
[00:43:17]  George W. Bush is dead.
[00:43:19]  That's not the way it is anymore.
[00:43:21]  The right wing, led by the combat veterans, say they've had enough of this bullshit.
[00:43:25]  They know it's bullshit and they've had it and they're really pissed off.
[00:43:29]  You want to send more guys over there when this is the time.
[00:43:31]  And I'm not speaking for them.
[00:43:33]  That's them.
[00:43:33]  You guys can go and see what they're all about.
[00:43:35]  Any combat veterans in Dave's audience, you got to check these guys out.
[00:43:39]  They're not asking you to move left, not one bit.
[00:43:42]  You like your identity?
[00:43:44]  You can keep it.
[00:43:44]  All they're saying is it's time to turn against these wars.
[00:43:47]  And what that is, again, it's a billionaire's worth of power.
[00:43:52]  It's the ability of a bunch of regular guys to completely change the narrative and the common understanding, the discussion, the way foreign policy is even understood in the minds of the average Joe.
[00:44:05]  It turns out the liberals, we already knew, were unreliable at best, but it turns out that the right wing is really mad now and they've really had it.
[00:44:15]  And that's somewhat true.
[00:44:17]  And these guys are doing everything they can to make it more true.
[00:44:21]  And it's another great example of how if, you know, regular libertarian anti-government types like us, if we can be creative and use the opportunities we have, that we can get a Ron Paul revolution sized publicity stunt.
[00:44:38]  You might remember, I guess you do.
[00:44:40]  That was the greatest speaking tour on behalf of peace and liberty and sound economics in all of history.
[00:44:46]  And so we could do that.
[00:44:48]  They did it twice.
[00:44:49]  We could do that again and support something on that level.
[00:44:53]  And so that's the kind of thing that really, I mean, if you drive by the billboards up and down I-35 in Austin, Texas, you see the powerball and the Texas lotto, hundreds of millions of dollars.
[00:45:06]  I never play.
[00:45:07]  How could I ever win?
[00:45:08]  And if I had that money, I bet I couldn't have as much effect as I could have just helping support the Hornburger campaign.
[00:45:15]  Yeah.
[00:45:15]  And I bet I could bet you're right as these guys that bring our troops home.us are able to do just by standing there and being serious about it and saying that they mean it when they say it.
[00:45:26]  And let me just say, because I really am the Horton rule of attacking the left from the left and the right from the right, it's not just that it's the strategy for liberty, which it is.
[00:45:37]  It is that.
[00:45:38]  And it's the most effective strategy.
[00:45:40]  But it's not as if there's not one inch of dishonest manipulation in it.
[00:45:45]  The truth is that, I mean, I remember when Ron Paul would take these anti-war positions and fucking, you know, like Chris Wallace and these Fox News types, they'd be like, you're to the left of Obama when he was running in 2008.
[00:45:57]  You know, like, you're to the left of these warp.
[00:45:59]  And Ron Paul used to point this out, and he's absolutely right about it.
[00:46:02]  We'd be like, there's a long tradition of being anti-war in the conservative wing of the Republican Party.
[00:46:09]  I mean, the conservatives, the old right, like he would invoke, you know, like Robert Taft and people like that.
[00:46:16]  And like the old right, they were the ones who wanted to keep us out of World War I. God, the whole last hundred years are a disaster because we didn't listen to those fucking people.
[00:46:25]  Like that's literally what set everything on.
[00:46:27]  We have you have the commies and the Nazis because you didn't listen to the conservatives who wanted to keep you out of that war.
[00:46:33]  And how many, even like up to, you know, Richard Nixon got elected on we're going to end the war in Vietnam and he didn't.
[00:46:39]  He ended up expanding the war.
[00:46:40]  I mean, you know, lots of more modern parallels to that, but that was what he got elected on.
[00:46:45]  And as far as like the left goes, I mean, obviously, you know, like that so much of the left is kind of rooted in the 60s anti-Vietnam War.
[00:46:53]  And you know what?
[00:46:54]  They were completely right about that.
[00:46:56]  So really no side has to give up their identity.
[00:46:58]  You can just be true to the best of your political heritage, which was standing up against these wars that are so obviously evil.
[00:47:07]  They're so obviously wrong.
[00:47:09]  And not just that they're, it's not just that they kill innocent people.
[00:47:13]  That's the number one thing, but that they're so obviously not even in our interest.
[00:47:17]  It's not even like we're going and robbing someone and we get all this money and you go, oh man, I mean, that was kind of wrong what you did, but look, we got this money now.
[00:47:24]  We're bleeding ourselves dry.
[00:47:26]  We're destroying our country to go murder innocent people.
[00:47:29]  Now, okay, so in the Scott Horton framework of the Horton rule of attacking the left from the left, the right from the right, let's pitch each side on Jacob Hornberger.
[00:47:42]  So let's do the left first.
[00:47:45]  If you're talking to someone who's, and when I say left, I'm literally saying just the left half of the country.
[00:47:52]  So anyone from a liberal, a Democrat, a hard leftist, a Democratic socialists, any of those type people, if you wanted to tell them why they should come over and support Jacob Hornberger, what would your pitch be to them?
[00:48:06]  Okay.
[00:48:07]  Well, all real leftists, I think, would demand of their Democratic Party leaders an anti-war position, an anti-drug war position.
[00:48:20]  They obviously oppose all of the crackdown and building the wall and all of this stuff at the border.
[00:48:26]  And they're very much for, and this is tied up in the drug wars, but the, you know, the they're very tied up in racial grievances and all of those things.
[00:48:37]  And essentially, you know, the fact is Jacob Hornberger is great on all of that stuff.
[00:48:42]  And there's not a liberal Democrat other than maybe Dennis Kucinich or somebody who's out of power who could hold a candle to Hornberger when it comes to committed opposition to foreign interventionism.
[00:48:53]  It's not some convenient thing.
[00:48:54]  It's his core conviction.
[00:48:56]  And he knows all about it.
[00:48:57]  He was one of the guys who spent the 90s worrying that if we keep this up, we're going to get a major terrorist attack in this country.
[00:49:03]  It's going to be really bad.
[00:49:04]  I mean, he's been good on this all along.
[00:49:07]  And there's no question of his sincerity.
[00:49:09]  There's no posturing there.
[00:49:11]  This is a guy who knows, not just in theory that he's a pacifist or something like that, but that he really just knows this stuff and he knows better.
[00:49:21]  He always has.
[00:49:22]  You look at the drug wars.
[00:49:24]  This is a guy who will unapologetically argue for the legalization of heroin.
[00:49:30]  And he's not and cocaine and the so-called hard drugs to end the entire drug war, not just on pot, and to explain to people that the worst kinds of consequences of drug abuse actually come from the prohibition.
[00:49:47]  The main example is what is now could legitimately be called an epidemic of overdose deaths on heroin in especially the eastern half of the country.
[00:49:59]  And that is almost all attributable, not just to the heroin, but to the spiked and unpure doses of with fentanyl and other drugs in there that are causing people to misdose and drop dead, right?

=== Solving The Overdose Epidemic (03:41) ===

[00:50:14]  They stop breathing, their heart stops and they're dead.
[00:50:16]  And so before they had a problem with drug abuse, now they're dead.
[00:50:20]  And we're talking about people's moms and sisters and brothers and uncles.
[00:50:23]  And these are not all bad people with a moral failing.
[00:50:26]  These are people with drug problems who need to be helped.
[00:50:29]  And you might have noticed heroin's been plenty illegal in America since the 30s.
[00:50:34]  We've had a hardcore crackdown on it since the early 70s under Richard Nixon.
[00:50:38]  And that hasn't solved the problem.
[00:50:40]  It's made it worse.
[00:50:41]  And so what we're going to do is we're going to finally just be smart about this.
[00:50:45]  We're going to recognize morality and economic reality, you know, human nature and economic reality.
[00:50:51]  We're going to legalize these drugs.
[00:50:53]  People are going to buy their heroin at Walgreens.
[00:50:55]  And then we'll do everything we can to help people solve their drug addiction problems if they got them.
[00:51:00]  And we'll intervene, not the government, but society will then have to do everything they can to figure out how to help addicts stop being addicts without kicking their doors in and without Ever again using contraband items as a pretext to tyrannize the people of this country.
[00:51:20]  No more searches on the sides of the roads.
[00:51:23]  No more, I thought I smelled something so I was able to kick in your door and shoot your wife in the head.
[00:51:28]  No more any of these atrocities anywhere, not in black communities, not in white communities, not in Hispanic communities, not anymore.
[00:51:36]  No more pretext for this police state against us.
[00:51:39]  We're going to have to handle drug problems another way.
[00:51:42]  And you can take it to the bank that he means it.
[00:51:46]  And he's not going to do like Obama and say, oh, well, only Congress can reschedule drugs when that's not true at all.
[00:51:53]  And we know, you know, that's not true, you damn liar, who then leaves office pretending like it was Congress who wouldn't reschedule these drugs on the DEA's chart as entirely up to his whim.
[00:52:04]  He wouldn't have to lift up a pin.
[00:52:06]  He could just say out loud and it would be done.
[00:52:09]  But anyway.
[00:52:10]  Yeah, the same guy who thinks he can do nearly anything through executive order, which is really the irony of it, too.
[00:52:16]  Yeah, yeah, right.
[00:52:17]  Exactly.
[00:52:18]  Yeah, you can bomb Libya, no problem.
[00:52:20]  Back Al-Qaeda in Syria, that's all fine.
[00:52:22]  In fact, Congress is just demanding more of that.
[00:52:24]  So that doesn't count kind of.
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=== Stopping Artificial Immigration Inducements (06:34) ===

[00:53:55]  All right, let's get back into the show.
[00:53:57]  Anyway, and then, so listen, and then I think the major problem above all other problems in this country between races is essentially that black and Hispanic minorities feel like the white people hate their guts and because they won't call off the drug war dogs.
[00:54:16]  The worst stuff that happens to them at the hands of the government is all in the guise of the enforcement of the war on drugs.
[00:54:24]  And so you have a, you know, people who are not the victims of these kinds of policies who they can't think of a better idea than I guess we need another better crackdown to solve these problems.
[00:54:35]  But meanwhile, people, you know, minorities and poorer people too, are, you know, who are a minority when it comes to power sharing around here anyway, that they're basically crying in desperation that will you please call off these rabid dogs?
[00:54:51]  They're what they do to us in the name of these substances, it ain't fair.
[00:54:56]  And so the reality is the white people don't hate black people.
[00:54:59]  It's just that they kind of don't know.
[00:55:02]  It's not like the local news ever explains how this really works in a way where the average person can even really understand that, yeah, these people don't appreciate you cleaning up all the drug dealers off the streets.
[00:55:14]  That's not really what it is.
[00:55:15]  It's more like you got SWAT teams kicking in their doors in the night, like some kind of Delta Force squad in Afghanistan or something in our own towns.
[00:55:26]  This is no bullshit, man.
[00:55:27]  This is Radley Balco at the Washington Post.
[00:55:30]  Dave, there are 50,000 SWAT raids a year.
[00:55:35]  A thousand a week.
[00:55:37]  Okay, assume they take off the slightest break for Christmas and Easter and their kids' birthday.
[00:55:44]  50,000 SWAT raids a year.
[00:55:47]  That's totalitarianism if you're on the receiving end of it.
[00:55:51]  That's just like when I was in fifth grade, how they taught me it was in the Soviet Union, which still stood at that time, that they come in the night with ultra violence and with overwhelming force and drag your sorry ass out of there in this kind of deal, you know, like the IDF on the West Bank terrorizing children in Hebron or something.
[00:56:12]  Like we're all Palestinians.
[00:56:13]  And what?
[00:56:13]  Over somebody said, somebody you extorted said that he, you know, bought pot there before, huh?
[00:56:20]  Or something like that.
[00:56:21]  It's insane that we've done this.
[00:56:23]  And so that's, it's the, the war on drugs and the list of its consequences and, and it goes on and on and on with the addictions and the deaths and whatever.
[00:56:33]  But I think it's the key, the number one worst part of race relations in this country at this point is the police state that minorities and other, you know, poor people also of all races suffer at the hands of the drug war enforcement regime.
[00:56:49]  It's just nuts.
[00:56:50]  These cops all have to get jobs.
[00:56:52]  And that's the end of that.
[00:56:53]  And then so when it comes to immigration, Hornberg is absolutely against all of the enforcement at the border, the entire constitutional, do you know about this?
[00:57:03]  The constitution free zone.
[00:57:05]  Yes.
[00:57:06]  Name of border enforcement for 100 miles inland, not just from the Canadian and Mexican borders, but from all the coastlines too.
[00:57:12]  In other words, hey, guess what?
[00:57:14]  About 85% of the population of the country, of our country, lives in a constitution-free zone where federal police, in the name of immigration, can detain and search and do all sorts of things on far lower thresholds of probable cause or of any cause or suspicion than they could otherwise do in the name of immigration.
[00:57:36]  And we have all of this, you know, seizure of private property to build this wall.
[00:57:40]  We have the policies where, you know, Peter Van Buren wrote this great thing about how they made the legal immigration rule so convoluted that the only real loophole is to claim refugee status.
[00:57:52]  So then you have all these people claiming refugee status who may or may not exactly be refugees, but that just leads then to this whole extra, because that's a loophole, then a flood of people make it through that loophole.
[00:58:04]  Then you need this whole clampdown and this whole war and taking kids away from their families and all these things.
[00:58:09]  And Hornberg is just absolutely disgusted by that.
[00:58:11]  He's from Laredo, Texas, on the border, grew up on a ranch there and is totally against all that stuff.
[00:58:17]  But at the same time, too, he's also against America's drug war in Mexico, which despite what you might have seen with Butta Jug and Tulsi Gabbard the other night, it doesn't matter whether we have real GIs, RGIs on the ground there.
[00:58:32]  It's America's drug war.
[00:58:33]  George W. Bush was the one who insisted that they call out their military forces against the drug cartels in the early 2000s.
[00:58:42]  And that's what's escalated the war to a degree where some estimates are as high as 150 or 200,000 dead.
[00:58:48]  So the low-end estimates are 50,000 dead and including ISIS-style beheadings and savagery and these cartels proving their point, who owns what turf and all of those consequences.
[00:58:58]  He's against also, of course, Obama's coup in Honduras, which is second place after Mexico for the most refugees, economic and violence, you know, escaping refugees coming.
[00:59:12]  And he's against Donald Trump's coup in Bolivia that took place just last week and all the future consequences from that.
[00:59:18]  So and then not only is he against the foreign policies that destroy these Latin American countries and drive all these people into our country, but he's also against all the socialism.
[00:59:28]  that is an artificial inducement to all of these immigrants to come in.
[00:59:34]  You'll get all free health education and welfare and schooling for your kids and they'll buy all your groceries for you and all these things, welfare that most Americans don't get and don't want, but we have to pay the groceries for all these newcomers and all these things.
[00:59:47]  And that is a reason it's an artificial inducement of people to come who might not otherwise have come.
[00:59:52]  And so instead of having these huge pro-immigration programs and horrible and just as horrible anti-immigration programs, we're just going to call the whole thing off.
[01:00:02]  We're not going to subsidize immigration.
[01:00:04]  We're not going to do right-wing coup d'etats in Latin America and drug wars in Latin America.
[01:00:09]  And so we're not going to be driving all these refugees into the country.
[01:00:11]  We're not going to be subsidizing them, but we're not going to be using a sledgehammer to kick them and hit them in the face and drive them out the way that it's been under Obama and under Donald Trump, which has been real violations of human rights all over the place, on all kinds of things.

=== Abolishing The Democratic Party (14:37) ===

[01:00:30]  And I forget my whole list of issues that healthcare costs.
[01:00:34]  Now, listen, liberals ain't going to like this, but the reality is you can compare to any other industry.
[01:00:40]  Okay.
[01:00:40]  And in fact, you'll see it's essentially higher education and housing and medical care are the things where costs keep going up and why?
[01:00:51]  It's because those are the industries where government is the most involved.
[01:00:55]  Now, everybody's looking at the cart before the horse kind of a thing.
[01:00:59]  The government is what's causing the problem.
[01:01:01]  The subsidies are what's driving up the cost.
[01:01:04]  And that's true for healthcare just as well as in education.
[01:01:07]  We really just have a free market.
[01:01:10]  The consumer is king.
[01:01:12]  But let me tell you, a libertarian, and because I'm talking to liberals and left-leaning people here now, libertarians don't worship business.
[01:01:19]  We just like free markets.
[01:01:22]  And that means if a business, any particular businessman or any particular company or corporation has to go out of business, good riddance.
[01:01:29]  I guess they weren't satisfying their customers' needs and wants.
[01:01:34]  And by the way, any businessman, as far as I know, no offense to any particular one out there who could be supporting my institute, but it should be taken for granted that any businessman who can get on the dole, who can get his company on the dole, who can use regulators to snuff out his competition, who can use taxation to hurt his competition, who can get some special deal for himself at the expense of somebody else,
[01:01:59]  who can provide a contract for a service that government needs and is willing to pay way too much for, they will do it.
[01:02:06]  They will absolutely use and abuse this system.
[01:02:09]  The nth degree of that, of course, is the military industrial complex, but it's the exact same thing with big pharma, with the giant firms that the conglomerates that own giant swaths of the hospital companies around the country and with the American Medical Association stranglehold on doctors licensing and all of those things.
[01:02:31]  And so, and who am I leaving out?
[01:02:34]  Oh, and the insurance companies.
[01:02:36]  The big banks, of course.
[01:02:38]  The banks, yes, of course.
[01:02:39]  And the insurance companies who are the middlemen between the American.
[01:02:43]  And so essentially, these guys write all the laws and write all the regulations.
[01:02:48]  And the liberal answer to this, I'm not making funny, but the liberal answer to this is more and better democracy will make that better.
[01:02:54]  But no, not really.
[01:02:55]  I mean, the answer, instead of making these economic decisions political, we need to return them to the marketplace.
[01:03:02]  And then it's just reality.
[01:03:05]  I mean, it's almost impossible to deny, I would think, even for a liberal or a leftist, you'd have to concede the reality that every company who's trying to provide healthcare, every doctor's office are so bogged down in rules and regulations and legalities and paperwork and administration that every single one of these businesses are extremely top heavy in a way that the markets would have never created or provided.
[01:03:32]  And that huge amounts of this money is being completely wasted.
[01:03:36]  And because it's Medicare and Medicaid and all these set prices that are set by political committees, then they just drive up the prices for you.
[01:03:44]  Just like Harry Brown used to say, they break your leg and then they give you some crutches.
[01:03:48]  They make the cost of healthcare so high that you really need them to subsidize the cost for you when they're the ones who drove the cost up in the first place.
[01:03:57]  And then, but the reality is that in the market system, it doesn't matter what big pharma wants.
[01:04:03]  It doesn't matter what the insurance companies want.
[01:04:08]  They have to serve the wants of their customers or they pay the price and they lose in the market.
[01:04:15]  And so that's what we need is completely deregulate, completely de-socialize healthcare and let them all compete and let people see where they can get good health care.
[01:04:28]  And it ain't, you know, a mystical force like Star Wars or whatever.
[01:04:33]  It's just the market.
[01:04:34]  It will provide.
[01:04:36]  And look at the way we're going.
[01:04:39]  We're going to have the cops are going to be our doctors.
[01:04:42]  We're going to have the government in charge of all of our healthcare decisions, but they're going to be much more gracious than the insurance companies, huh?
[01:04:48]  And we can count on that for what reason?
[01:04:51]  And especially in a society where, again, everybody is in absolute terror of what would happen if the other side gained control of the government.
[01:04:59]  Okay.
[01:05:00]  So you're going to turn your healthcare decisions over to Donald Trump Jr. when he beats Elizabeth Warren in four years?
[01:05:06]  Is that what you're going to do?
[01:05:08]  You know, this, it's not thinking straight.
[01:05:10]  You know, the turnover rate, the only real dynasties in America are political dynasties.
[01:05:15]  In the market, the turnover rate is far too rapid.
[01:05:19]  And so kick all the insurance companies, the drug companies and all the hospital companies off of welfare, deregulate the entire thing and turn the market back over to the consumers.
[01:05:30]  And that really is the solution to the problem.
[01:05:32]  Same thing with education.
[01:05:34]  And so what am I leaving out?
[01:05:36]  I actually took some notes so I wouldn't forget.
[01:05:38]  Oh, and I think corruption is another huge one that just everybody knows that everything is corrupt from top to bottom in this country.
[01:05:45]  You know, they say that, oh, Afghanistan and Iraq are the most corrupt countries in the world.
[01:05:50]  Huh, that's a coincidence, I guess, huh?
[01:05:53]  But the thing is, is they couldn't possibly compare to an America whose budget, you realize the budget for next year is $4.75 trillion.
[01:06:02]  But you're telling me Afghanistan is more corrupt than that when they are one tiny thousandth of a fraction of a percent of that budget goes to support the corrupt regime in Kabul.
[01:06:15]  But all of that essentially is a massive honeypot for connected interests.
[01:06:20]  And yes, there are just old ladies on the receiving ends of those checks.
[01:06:24]  Social Security and that kind of thing is part of that number.
[01:06:27]  But then where does that money go?
[01:06:29]  All those Medicaid and Medicare dollars and social security subsidies goes essentially are channeled into these programs.
[01:06:37]  And in other words, again, you know, artificially increasing competition and driving up or decreasing competition, driving up prices.
[01:06:45]  And so, you know, anyway, same up and down the board.
[01:06:49]  Now, you want me to say the same thing from the right?
[01:06:51]  Well, let me just, yes, I do, but let me just add also.
[01:06:54]  Huh?
[01:06:56]  No, let me just, let me just...
[01:06:57]  I already did both like on immigration.
[01:06:58]  You did, you did a little bit of that, but I do think, but let me just add one more layer.
[01:07:02]  I think obviously I think you're spot on with all of this stuff, but one more layer that I do think will be an interesting play is so once we do, as we're going to, take over the Libertarian Party and the Libertarian Party nominates Jacob Hornberger as their presidential nominee.
[01:07:17]  I think there's a really strong pitch to honest leftists.
[01:07:22]  Okay.
[01:07:22]  And there still are a few of them out there in the country.
[01:07:25]  I mean, I know it's like, you know, it's, it's the loudest, most dominant voices are like the worst ones.
[01:07:29]  And believe me, I know as much as anyone.
[01:07:31]  I spent a lot of time on this show talking about the dishonest and just horrible leftists, but there are the Jimmy Doors of the world.
[01:07:38]  There are like the people out there who are really great, honest, you know, like leftists who, you know, yes, they get some things on economics wrong, but they've got some really, you know, good principles.
[01:07:47]  And I think whatever happens at the end of this primary process, it's going to be a very strong pitch to say, look, man, this two-party system isn't working.
[01:08:01]  It's broken and it needs to be broken.
[01:08:03]  Look at what happens anytime you put anyone honest into the Democratic Party.
[01:08:09]  Now, look, Bernie Sanders' economics suck.
[01:08:11]  Okay.
[01:08:12]  I absolutely hate his economics.
[01:08:13]  But Bernie Sanders, you got to at least acknowledge, right?
[01:08:16]  Like you pointed out, he has that really great proposal to decriminalize marijuana on a federal level.
[01:08:22]  He's been really, really good in the Senate on the war in Yemen.
[01:08:25]  He did help lead the opposition to the war in Iraq.
[01:08:28]  He said something really nice about Palestinians' rights at the last debate.
[01:08:33]  Bernie Sanders is in some ways a principled guy.
[01:08:37]  And look what the DNC did to him.
[01:08:39]  Look how despicable the treatment of him.
[01:08:41]  Still to this day, he gets the Ron Paul treatment.
[01:08:44]  It's goddamn hilarious.
[01:08:45]  It's even funnier when you're not as emotionally invested in the candidate as I was with Ron Paul, but where they're just like, you know, it's like the whole thing is like, it's like Joe Biden, you know, is like at 32%, Bernie Sanders at 20%, Elizabeth Warren at 18%.
[01:08:59]  And the MSNBC is like, Elizabeth Warren coming on to challenge Joe Biden.
[01:09:04]  And you're like, but what about the 20% guy?
[01:09:06]  I mean, he's right there.
[01:09:07]  And who's the other somewhat honest person in the Democratic race?
[01:09:11]  Obviously, Tulsi Gabbard, a veteran, a combat veteran.
[01:09:15]  I mean, you know, in a medical unit, in saw action, voluntarily enlisted to go fight in these wars that these blood-soaked monsters got us into.
[01:09:24]  And what do they do to her?
[01:09:25]  When she turns around and says, hey, I don't think we should be fighting all of these wars.
[01:09:30]  All of a sudden, they become a worse version of Joseph McCarthy.
[01:09:35]  They call her on a national stage that the last nominee is calling her a Russian asset.
[01:09:40]  They do everything they can to denigrate anyone with any principle.
[01:09:45]  Look, man, you might be a leftist.
[01:09:47]  We may not agree with everything, but this party is broken.
[01:09:50]  The Libertarian Party now actually stands for something.
[01:09:53]  You may not agree with every plan that Jacob Hornberger has, but he's a man of integrity.
[01:09:57]  I mean, that's an easy sale to make.
[01:09:59]  And it's just like, let's get on board with something else.
[01:10:02]  This is the only other third party that really has any chance to make any noise.
[01:10:06]  I think there's a strong pitch in that area there because we all know whatever happens with this Democratic nomination process, they won't let Bernie Sanders win.
[01:10:16]  No matter what he does, they will not let him win this thing.
[01:10:19]  And they're going to continue to smear Tulsi Gabbard.
[01:10:22]  And it is just really horrible what they do to both of those guys.
[01:10:25]  So I think there's a really strong argument there.
[01:10:28]  Yes, then let's transition into this other thing.
[01:10:31]  And maybe I'll lead into your, if you're pitching Jacob Hornberg to the road.
[01:10:37]  Sure.
[01:10:37]  For the leftists, the Patriot Act and all the NSA spying and all of the federal police, you know, Homeland Security State and all of that stuff.
[01:10:45]  Jacob Hornberger's absolutely can't stand any of that.
[01:10:48]  He would do everything in the world to fight against to roll back even the existence of the Department of Homeland Security.
[01:10:54]  No, absolutely.
[01:10:55]  Well, that's and that's that's a great way to outleft the left too.
[01:10:59]  It's like you guys are talking about abolishing ICE.
[01:11:01]  We're talking about abolishing the Department of Homeland Security.
[01:11:04]  It's a creation of George W. Bush.
[01:11:06]  This ain't, this isn't something that's been around since 1780 that we need to keep there.
[01:11:11]  This is George W. Bush.
[01:11:12]  And what did George W. Bush get right?
[01:11:14]  That's right.
[01:11:15]  Nothing.
[01:11:15]  He got nothing right.
[01:11:16]  So he didn't get this one right either.
[01:11:18]  This has got to go just as well.
[01:11:19]  It's a great.
[01:11:20]  And by the way, I also think what you're leading into here is a pitch to the right because this would be my biggest.
[01:11:25]  Now, I think the biggest criticism from Trump supporters, right-wing types is going to be like, here, I'll say it like this.
[01:11:32]  I was watching Donald Trump's first campaign speech for 2020, which let's get real.
[01:11:37]  He's never stopped giving campaign speeches, but it was the first like official campaign speech.
[01:11:42]  And he said in there, and I got to say, it was even to me watching it as somebody who thinks Donald Trump should, you know, be tried for war crimes over what he's done in Yemen.
[01:11:53]  It was compelling to me when he said, he said something along the lines of he said, like, there is an unholy alliance between the deep state, the media, and the Democratic Party.
[01:12:06]  And I'm the only one who's fighting back against them.
[01:12:10]  And even to me, hearing that, I went, God damn, there is something compelling.
[01:12:15]  And he said, and now that unholy alliance wants to usher in socialism in the United States of America, and we can't let that happen.
[01:12:24]  So right away, I think the big thing that a Trump supporter is going to say to you, it's like, yeah, this might be nice.
[01:12:30]  Jacob Hornbrook, you know, really embracing liberty and the Bill of Rights and all this stuff.
[01:12:35]  This might be a nice idea.
[01:12:36]  But you know what?
[01:12:37]  It's Trump or deep state and socialism.
[01:12:41]  And look at what these Democrats did.
[01:12:43]  They worked with the CIA for an they're still actively working at an attempted deep state coup against a duly elected American president to tell me they don't deserve to lose.
[01:12:55]  And therefore, we got to support Donald Trump.
[01:12:58]  What do you say to those guys?
[01:13:00]  Yeah, well, they're certainly right about the Democrats absolutely deserve to be wiped off the face of the earth for the Russiagate hoax.
[01:13:08]  They knew they were lying.
[01:13:09]  They could have said, you know what, John Brennan, why don't you go pal around with your al-Qaeda friends in Syria and stop lying about Donald Trump?
[01:13:16]  He's got enough problems without, you know, this kind of nonsense.
[01:13:20]  And you're absolutely right.
[01:13:21]  They picked it up and ran with it.
[01:13:22]  And to a man, they should be shot into the sun with no trial.
[01:13:27]  Anyone who believed in Russia Gate even should have to pay for that.
[01:13:31]  Yeah, no, no mercy for them.
[01:13:34]  But you don't have to support Trump to support seeing the worst thing happen to the Democrats.
[01:13:41]  And after all, the very best we're going to do here shooting for, you know, absolutely the stars would be what in the low tens of millions if we had magic wishes kick in here.
[01:13:54]  It's not like it's going to be the margin to hurt Donald Trump.
[01:13:58]  And like you said about the left there in that whole conversation, there's no reason to think that Hornberger would appeal more to the right than to the left in any way.
[01:14:08]  I think it'll be fun to jerk the liberal media's chain that way and, you know, have him.
[01:14:13]  My idea is not to spoil it, but after he gets the nomination, we'll have him just attack Donald Trump for like six weeks so that the liberal media get all in love with him and want to use him to hurt Trump and split Trump, you know, vote Trump.
[01:14:26]  And then he could lead with exactly this.
[01:14:28]  Like, well, actually, the Democrats, every single one of them, the Democratic Party should be abolished and completely replaced after the Russiagate hoax.
[01:14:36]  How dare they participate in this CIA putsch against our leader?
[01:14:40]  And everybody knows Donald Trump belongs in prison for war crimes in Yemen, not for some fake Russia gate hoax.
[01:14:47]  Him and John Brennan and Barack Obama, all three of those guys should be sharing a Super Max cell for the rest of their lives.
[01:14:54]  The filthy rats.
[01:14:56]  But anyway, yeah, so Trump, look, he's not any less commie than they are.
[01:15:01]  If you think Elizabeth Warren is meaningful steps to the left of Donald Trump, you're wrong.

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[01:15:08]  She's not.
[01:15:09]  She's nothing but Hillary Clinton.
[01:15:10]  The worst, most leftist type thing she might ever do is try to regulate Wall Street banks more and reinstall the Glass-Steagall Act or some kind of thing like that.
[01:15:21]  But she's not going to pass any $50 trillion healthcare problem.
[01:15:26]  She's not even going to try to.
[01:15:27]  Okay.
[01:15:28]  She is nothing but an absolutely acceptable Clintonite, not acceptable to me, but I mean, to them, to this, to power.
[01:15:36]  She's an absolutely acceptable, you know, center left.
[01:15:41]  You know, not even liberal Democrat.
[01:15:44]  And so it's funny to see the right wing talk about her and go, my God, she's such a communist.
[01:15:49]  And it's like, really?
[01:15:50]  Don't tell the communists that because they hate her.
[01:15:53]  They see her, and I think correctly, as a neoliberal.
[01:15:56]  In other words, a big crony capitalist for the status quo that we still have after four years of Trump doing absolutely nothing to drain the swamp, doing absolutely nothing to roll back the military industrial complex.
[01:16:12]  Like I said, he's about to sign a $5 trillion budget.
[01:16:18]  Where is any effort of Donald Trump or his Republican Party to roll back any of this?
[01:16:26]  He's expanded every single one of the wars in Afghanistan, in Yemen, in Somalia.
[01:16:32]  He even sent the infantry to Somalia.
[01:16:35]  He increased the war in Syria and Iraq and has vowed to never leave either ever.
[01:16:40]  He's increased the war in Libya that, of course, Obama and Hillary started is still raging there.
[01:16:47]  He's got special operations forces all throughout North and West Africa, you know, hunting down any Sunni with a rifle wherever they can find them, wherever they can chase them further and further.
[01:17:00]  He's done absolutely nothing to roll it back whatsoever.
[01:17:04]  When it comes to Ukraine, he sold the missiles, the javelin missiles that Barack Obama refused to sell.
[01:17:10]  Obama didn't hire a bunch of Nazis to overthrow the government in 2014, but he was afraid to sell them a bunch of missiles and pick a fight with Russia.
[01:17:19]  And Donald Trump has also sent troops to Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia to do military exercises, increased troop numbers in Poland, has brought Montenegro and Macedonia into NATO for what good possible reason could they be in NATO at all, other than to somehow serve as a tripwire for conflict with somebody.
[01:17:43]  What use are they to America's power?
[01:17:45]  Nothing.
[01:17:47]  But so, you know, this is Donald Trump who loves to talk a good game.
[01:17:51]  He talks, you know, he's an expert essentially in taking all sides of every issue.
[01:17:57]  And so if you're not listening closely and you want to believe, then he'll say something that sounds like what you want to hear.
[01:18:04]  And so, and this is true.
[01:18:05]  In fact, his fan, Scott Alberts from the Dilbert cartoon back in 2016, he was admiring Trump for his skills and explaining how this works.
[01:18:13]  And he gave a bunch of examples where Trump had said, Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid, they're all totally bankrupt and horrible.
[01:18:21]  And we got to get rid of them and phase them out and go on to a free market type of a thing.
[01:18:26]  And then he turns right around and says, I'm the greatest champion of Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid ever.
[01:18:32]  And I will save them and I will prevent the bad people from taking them away from you.
[01:18:36]  And then he says about the wars, ah, I'm going to end all the wars.
[01:18:38]  I hate all the wars.
[01:18:39]  The wars are all stupid.
[01:18:40]  By the way, what we're going to do is we're going to bomb the shit out of them and we're going to torture even their family members if we want to, because even if it doesn't provide a good information, they deserve it anyway.
[01:18:49]  And who cares?
[01:18:50]  And by the way, if you're a convicted war criminal, no problem.
[01:18:53]  I'll pardon you.
[01:18:54]  That's fine.
[01:18:55]  How dare the military even try to rein in and have any discipline whatsoever inside the special operations forces or any of this stuff.
[01:19:04]  And so, you know, and on down the line about whatever it is.
[01:19:09]  I think he even at one time had said some positive things about the war on drugs.
[01:19:13]  Well, all the rest of the time he's talking about how, you know, what I really like seeing, and I don't know why you guys do this anymore, is what you're supposed to do is when you put them in the back of the cop car, you smash their head on the top of the car.
[01:19:24]  That'll teach them to mess with the boys in blue and blah, blah, blah.
[01:19:29]  This is our champion of freedom to hold off Elizabeth Warren.
[01:19:33]  You got to be kidding.
[01:19:34]  Yeah.
[01:19:35]  You know, he doesn't have a single redeeming quality other than look who's after him.
[01:19:40]  Right.
[01:19:40]  In other words, John Brennan believed Trump.
[01:19:45]  What an idiot.
[01:19:46]  He could have just as easily befriended him and said, can I stay on at CIA?
[01:19:50]  You'll continue the war in Yemen, right?
[01:19:53]  You'll contact up the promise, won't you?
[01:19:56]  And so they do that too.
[01:19:58]  They split up.
[01:19:59]  You know what I mean?
[01:20:00]  So they have Lindsey Graham and John Bolton and those guys who did befriend him and basically got everything they want.
[01:20:06]  I mean, if you tallied up who's gotten more out of their friendship with Donald Trump, Lindsey Graham gets his way every time.
[01:20:12]  Rand Paul never does.
[01:20:13]  Rand Paul gets a little bit of rhetoric.
[01:20:15]  He gets something that Trump says at a speech.
[01:20:17]  And then Lindsey Graham gets the policy.
[01:20:19]  Like every single time.
[01:20:20]  Down the line, Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Israel, every single time Lindsey Graham ends up getting the policy he wants.
[01:20:27]  The other thing I would say, just adding to this, is it's like, look, here, let me say this.
[01:20:31]  I think Donald Trump has provided a valuable service.
[01:20:35]  Okay, actually two valuable services to Americans that I would thank him for in all sincerity.
[01:20:42]  Like salute to Donald Trump for these two services.
[01:20:46]  Number one, he made it in a way that even Ron Paul didn't, although I think he was building on that.
[01:20:51]  He made it okay to be right wing and say you're against these wars.
[01:20:55]  Good for him on that.
[01:20:56]  That is something that is great in his legacy.
[01:20:58]  He never actually did anything to end a single war, but now it's like, look, even Trump says he's against these wars.
[01:21:04]  So some Fox News host can say it and it's not a big deal anymore.
[01:21:09]  That's great.
[01:21:09]  Thank you for your service, Donald Trump.
[01:21:11]  Number two, he exposed how full of shit the corporate press is and however ever present the deep state is.
[01:21:19]  And thank you for your service on that again, Donald Trump.
[01:21:22]  Two great things that will go down in his legacy.
[01:21:24]  But guess what?
[01:21:25]  Those are both already completed.
[01:21:27]  And having him around for another four years to do that does nothing.
[01:21:30]  The work is already done.
[01:21:32]  The benefits are already in.
[01:21:33]  The truth is, in terms of actual policy, what Donald Trump's done, as you pointed out, the spending is through the roof.
[01:21:39]  Barack Obama couldn't have done a better job in terms of expanding the size and scope of government.
[01:21:45]  The wars are raging on.
[01:21:46]  And, you know, I'd say this to the Trump supporters who do get what's going on.
[01:21:52]  Hey, you're absolutely right.
[01:21:54]  There was a deep state attempted coup.
[01:21:56]  They'll even tell you.
[01:21:57]  I mean, Andrew McCabe will tell you we sat around the top three people at the Justice Department and discussed invoking the 25th Amendment.
[01:22:05]  We were like, what can we do to get this president out?
[01:22:08]  We are unelected fucking spies and cops and bureaucrats.
[01:22:12]  And we're deciding we've decided the American people voted wrong.
[01:22:16]  And we're going to try to remove this guy from.
[01:22:18]  And that is a goddamn crime against the Constitution if the Constitution means anything.
[01:22:24]  That is as anti-American, anti-democracy, anti-republic as anything could be.
[01:22:31]  That being said, what's Donald Trump doing?
[01:22:34]  This motherfucker just reauthorized the Patriot Act.
[01:22:38]  So none of this is going to change because Donald Trump doesn't actually have it in him to say, I'm rolling back this whole National Security Act, National Security State.
[01:22:47]  We're getting rid of these agents.
[01:22:49]  I'm working to abolish the CIA, abolish the NSA, get rid of the FBI, all of these organizations that never should have existed to begin with.
[01:22:56]  So he's not doing anything to actually make the problem any better.
[01:23:01]  And even if he got another four years or eight or 12, he's just going to hand all of these institutions off to his predecessor.
[01:23:08]  So they're going to be here with us forever.
[01:23:10]  So the only option we have here is to get somebody principled in who actually is going to run on abolishing these god-awful institutions that never should have existed in the first place.
[01:23:23]  And that's Jacob Hornberger.
[01:23:25]  Yeah, exactly.
[01:23:26]  And you know what, too, man, is even if at the last minute, to stop Biden, you're going to vote for Trump or to stop Trump, you're going to vote for Biden.
[01:23:36]  You can still support Jacob Hornberger for a year up until that day.
[01:23:40]  And if you really think that your vote is going to mean everything in your swing state, fine.
[01:23:46]  But still, don't you want to have Trump, your guy, Trump, or your guy, Biden that you're stuck with on either way?
[01:23:52]  Don't you want them to be feeling this pressure from the libertarian, not Hawks attacking Trump for not being mean enough to Iran and not, you know, some corrupt argument about, God knows what mess Hillary, Elizabeth Warren.
[01:24:08]  Sorry, they all look alike.
[01:24:11]  You know, is going to get us in, but instead have Hornberger attacking them both all the time.
[01:24:15]  I'm like, hey, Elizabeth Warren, you call yourself a liberal, but I don't hear you attacking Trump for his wars all day.
[01:24:21]  I bet your liberal constituencies must be upset about that.
[01:24:24]  And then same thing on the right.
[01:24:26]  Hey, Donald Trump, you said you were anti-war, but you look a lot like Barack Obama to me, dude.
[01:24:31]  You continued every single one of the wars he left you.
[01:24:34]  So what does that make you other than his third term, pal?
[01:24:38]  And what have you, you know, all of those things.
[01:24:40]  Do you want that?
[01:24:41]  Or do you want what we had last time in 2016, Gary Johnson, who might as well not have even showed up at all?
[01:24:46]  An entirely missed opportunity.
[01:24:49]  Not even wasted, but just didn't even happen at all.
[01:24:52]  And right now we have an opportunity to dominate the narrative, to be, you know, remember when Weld was attacking Trump, never mind when he was endorsing Hillary, but when Weld was attacking Trump, the obvious thing there would have been for these guys to coordinate, right?
[01:25:08]  And have it where, and I think we can do this with whoever our vice presidential candidate is here with Hornberger, is we make it where on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, Hornberger attacks Trump and the vice presidential candidate attacks the Democrat.
[01:25:21]  And then on Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday, they switch.
[01:25:25]  And then, but they make sure every day that when they're talking trash, that they're accusing both candidates of the exact same thing.
[01:25:32]  So make sure on Tuesdays we're going to attack him over Yemen and on Wednesday we're going to switch, but we're going to attack him over Yemen again.
[01:25:38]  And then on Thursday, we're going to switch, but we're going to keep it on the welfare state or whatever it is.
[01:25:44]  And then all backhanded compliments, at least Trump isn't as bad as Warren on this.
[01:25:47]  And at least she ain't as bad as Trump on that.
[01:25:50]  And all of these things, we can jerk their chain and have so much fun with them.
[01:25:53]  And that's every reason right there that you should want or could possibly need to support Hornberger, at least from now until election day.
[01:26:02]  And then on election day, if you really, really think that, you know, on a on a margin that matters to you, that the Republican or Democrat is worse to such a degree and that you think that your vote might matter in an infinitesimal way in your very important swing state where the candidate is not, you know, one or the other candidate doesn't already have the state locked up, then by all means, vote your conscience, do what you got to do.
[01:26:32]  And again, you know, look, the Republicans deserve to be destroyed for, you know, Trump's Israel-Palestine policy alone, much less for continuing all the wars or whatever.
[01:26:41]  They're just as guilty as the Democrats.
[01:26:43]  But yes, again, absolutely.
[01:26:45]  The Democratic Party should be abolished and replaced with some entirely other thing for how dare they try to do this puts against Trump the way that they did.
[01:26:54]  It's just absolutely insane.
[01:26:56]  And that's another thing Hornberger's great on too, right?
[01:26:58]  Is he'll be sticking up for Trump on the coup and then turn right around and say, just like you or me would, I know what we could convict him of, and then say something good.
[01:27:08]  You know what I mean?
[01:27:09]  Got plenty of opportunity there to make hay.
[01:27:13]  And so, and now attacking the right on the right here on a couple of things real quick.
[01:27:17]  I'll try to go through real fast.
[01:27:19]  Look, the war on terrorism is all Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton and Barack Obama's fault.
[01:27:23]  Okay.
[01:27:24]  I'll leave out all your Republican heroes for you for argument's sake.
[01:27:28]  But it was Jimmy Carter who started back on these guys.
[01:27:31]  It was Bill Clinton who turned them against us.
[01:27:34]  And then after George Bush handed them Western Iraq, it was Barack Obama who took their side in Libya and Syria and made everything so much worse.
[01:27:43]  It's not radical Islam that's put us in this situation.
[01:27:47]  It's not aggression by this stateless band of former American-backed mercenaries.
[01:27:51]  It's all American superpower policy that's made it this way.
[01:27:55]  You know, in the Clinton years in the Pentagon, they used to say, hey, terrorism is a small price to pay for being a superpower.
[01:28:03]  That was the slogan.
[01:28:04]  And the idea was, hey, it's just a truck bomb here and there every once in a while.
[01:28:07]  Who cares?
[01:28:08]  You know, and they tried to sink the coal, but it didn't sink.
[01:28:12]  After all, they only got 17 guys, 19 at Cobar, a few hundred, but mostly Africans at Dar es Salaam and Nairobi in 98.
[01:28:24]  And so, meh.
[01:28:26]  But terrorism is not the reason for America's Middle East policy.
[01:28:30]  Terrorism is a side effect of America's Middle East policy.
[01:28:33]  And all we have to do is just stop trying to be the dominant force in the Middle East.
[01:28:38]  And all this is going to go away.
[01:28:40]  Whatever's left over, America can be protected by our coasts and whatever minimal police force exists after we abolish the Department of Homeland Security to keep these guys out at customs, that if you fought for Barack Obama and John Brennan in Syria, you're not allowed into the United States, stuff like that.
[01:28:59]  Otherwise, you know, the problem solves itself.
[01:29:02]  America's not supposed to be an empire anyway.
[01:29:05]  You want to conserve the Constitution?
[01:29:06]  You have to abandon the empire to protect the Republic.
[01:29:10]  It's the only way.
[01:29:10]  It's as simple as that.
[01:29:12]  And same thing on economics.
[01:29:13]  Are you scared of Americans becoming socialists?
[01:29:16]  People talking with a straight face, not on the fringe, but in the Congress about making America a socialist country?
[01:29:23]  That's all in reaction to the boom and the bust.
[01:29:25]  And the boom and the bust is all because of our paper money standard, our fake government-backed money standard.
[01:29:33]  And they're artificially always artificially low interest rates that distort the economy and cause these massive boom-bust cycles that generate all the support for socialism.
[01:29:46]  If you ask every single American on the left about what's so bad about capitalism, everything they say will be accusations really against government.
[01:29:57]  The boom and the bust is at the heart of it.
[01:29:59]  The wilds of capitalism lead to these massive bank failures and then massive bank bailouts and these horrible economic dislocations.
[01:30:07]  And everybody has to reset.
[01:30:09]  Every mom and pop business goes under.
[01:30:11]  And if they're lucky, they get to try again in a year and a half when business picks back up.
[01:30:15]  The people at the lowest end of the economic ladder, completely decimated every 10 or 12 years.
[01:30:21]  And it hurts like hell.
[01:30:22]  And I know because I do nothing but read news and other things, but especially news all day long.
[01:30:27]  And in 2009 and 10 and 11, we were talking.
[01:30:31]  I don't know if anybody did a study about this, man, but I know it from anecdotal evidence and what have you that dudes are killing their families and blowing their own brains out at record levels.
[01:30:42]  The proverbial jumping out the window, like in 1929 and the stock market crash, is this is the result of the economic crash of 08.
[01:30:53]  That's still even to say that word, it hurts like hell.
[01:30:56]  People remember that and they blame capitalism and they're right to blame capitalists.
[01:31:01]  But the problem is that the capitalists control the government and they use the government to manipulate the interest rate, to manipulate the money supply, their interests at the expense of all the rest of us.

=== Economic Crash Fuels Suicide (10:22) ===

[01:31:11]  So we don't need socialism.
[01:31:13]  Okay.
[01:31:14]  Again, with the welfare state driving up the costs of health care so high.
[01:31:21]  I mean, I know literally, this is no lie, Dave.
[01:31:23]  I know conservatives who say they might vote for Bernie Sanders in the primary and for president because they want a communist healthcare system.
[01:31:31]  Because the way they figure is they can't get a free market one.
[01:31:35]  The one they've got is this corrupt, crony, capitalist, frankly, fascist, rigged game against the consumers of health care, of all things.
[01:31:46]  Sick people.
[01:31:48]  It's horrible.
[01:31:49]  And you have regular, decent, hardworking, right-leaning folks who, hey, they can't take care of their wife.
[01:31:56]  Their primary responsibility in life, taking care of their wife.
[01:32:00]  And they can't do it because the Republicans rigged the game so badly that now they're willing to turn to the most leftist Democrat that you could find to try to pay their bills for them, to pick up the tab for them.
[01:32:13]  That's how bad it's getting.
[01:32:15]  That's how bad the left half of America, and even including a lot of swing voters and right-leaning people, are abandoning the concept of capitalism, of free market capitalism, because they know we don't have it and they can't get it.
[01:32:29]  Instead, they're the victims of a crony system that puts them in such desperate straits that they push towards socialism.
[01:32:37]  But so all of this, and most especially the wars, is why we have to have the paper money system and the artificially low interest rates so that they can monetize the debt and they can borrow money instead of raising our taxes to pay for the wars.
[01:32:53]  If you want a sound dollar and a strong economy, a capitalist economy that works for everyone, then you have to have sound money.
[01:33:03]  You have to abandon the empire.
[01:33:05]  Of course, the Democrats and the Republicans believe that the American people can afford it forever, but that's not true.
[01:33:12]  We can't.
[01:33:13]  It's just too much.
[01:33:14]  Look at a map of Eurasia.
[01:33:17]  We can't dominate that, nor should we try.
[01:33:21]  The whole thing is completely stupid and wrong.
[01:33:24]  And everybody in the Bush and Clinton consensus since the end of the Cold War have just been wrong.
[01:33:31]  All of them.
[01:33:31]  They suck.
[01:33:32]  Look, their smartest one of them is Hillary Clinton or what, Colin Powell or something is the deepest thinker they've had up there this whole time.
[01:33:41]  They're horrible, terrible people.
[01:33:42]  They've been wrong this whole time.
[01:33:44]  They dug us all these foreign policy problems, all these pits, our problems with Russia, our problems with China, our problems in the Middle East.
[01:33:52]  All of it is the USA's fault, every bit of it.
[01:33:54]  All we have to do is knock it off.
[01:33:57]  It's not surrendering to Putin.
[01:33:59]  It's stopping and antagonizing him.
[01:34:02]  That's all it is.
[01:34:03]  And so Hornberg is just right about that.
[01:34:06]  You know, if you want to conserve your constitutional republic, you have to abandon the empire.
[01:34:11]  This permanent state of emergency and mobilization and paper money printing all the time is undermining the very core of what conservatives mean to conserve.
[01:34:20]  And I take them at their word.
[01:34:21]  I know they do mean to conserve it and they don't oftentimes see the connection.
[01:34:25]  But this empire is like one big suicide bombing.
[01:34:29]  It's murder-suicide.
[01:34:30]  We get them, but we destroy ourselves too.
[01:34:33]  And what's the point when Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton started all this in the first place?
[01:34:37]  It doesn't have to be this way at all.
[01:34:38]  Yeah, no, you're absolutely right.
[01:34:40]  And, you know, it's like nobody else since, of course, the great Ron Paul, who's there's that beautiful sketch of him over your left shoulder there for the new book, The Great Ron Paul.
[01:34:51]  Nobody since him has made this connection.
[01:34:54]  And Hornberger, Jacob Hornberger, is going to do this.
[01:34:57]  And he's been writing about this for decades.
[01:34:59]  And this stuff, it's funny because it really is all so interconnected.
[01:35:04]  We need the paper money standard.
[01:35:07]  The government has to be able, and it's not even paper money at this point, it's like digital money standard in order to maintain the empire.
[01:35:14]  Yet having that standard creates the boom-bust cycle.
[01:35:17]  And the busts are what lead to all of this misery throughout our country.
[01:35:21]  And by the way, I mean, you're absolutely right when you talk about the rising suicide rates being connected to the crash of 2008.
[01:35:27]  The other thing is that it's the heroin epidemic is very, very connected to the crash of 2008.
[01:35:33]  I mean, there's been lots of studies over this stuff, but there's, it's not this old school mentality of like the drug is just so addicted that, you know, it's like the stuff like my grandpa used to say, you try it once and you're an addict.
[01:35:43]  That's all bullshit.
[01:35:44]  What it is is that when people don't have jobs, when they don't have purpose, when they can't, when they can't form meaningful relationships, that when men can't take care of their families, they turn to despair and they become addicts.
[01:35:56]  And this is, you know, basically that those 70,000 deaths a year or whatever it is now, they're, you know, a big portion of them are essentially suicides.
[01:36:04]  It's essentially people who have lost so much meaning in life that they're so wrapped up in despair that they kill themselves with drugs.
[01:36:10]  It's, it's like horrific.
[01:36:12]  And they're all related.
[01:36:13]  And that's why it's all ties back to the empire and all of this stuff.
[01:36:17]  And nobody else, nobody else is even going to get at the of these important issues other than Jacob Hornberger.
[01:36:25]  So I'm so goddamn happy that he's running.
[01:36:27]  I'm really happy that you helped encourage him to run.
[01:36:30]  We're going to have Michael Heiss on the show on Friday, and he's going to give more information about what exactly we can do to get involved and become delegates and do all the things we need to do.
[01:36:40]  But that's the plan here.
[01:36:41]  We're taking over the Libertarian Party.
[01:36:43]  We're making the Libertarian Party libertarian again.
[01:36:46]  We're starting up the revolution, the Ron Paul Revolution 2.0.
[01:36:51]  It's the Hornberger Revolution this time.
[01:36:53]  And we're going to fucking make our voice heard again in this conversation.
[01:36:58]  I'm just sick and tired of all these other fucking factions that have risen up since 2016.
[01:37:04]  It's the Democratic Socialists or the alt-right or the nationalists or the fucking progressives or any of these groups.
[01:37:11]  They've all got it all wrong.
[01:37:13]  I mean, just about, you know, they have some grievances that are understandable grievances.
[01:37:17]  And then their prescription is everything wrong, everything we don't need to do.
[01:37:22]  And it's about time that the liberty movement reasserted itself.
[01:37:26]  And I think Jacob Hornberger is the guy, the guy to be the leader.
[01:37:30]  So I'm excited about this, man.
[01:37:31]  I'm excited in a way that I haven't been since 2012.
[01:37:35]  And yeah, we're going to go take over the Libertarian Party and then we're going to kick up dust.
[01:37:38]  And as you said, it's just going to be, if nothing else, it's going to be a lot of fun, man.
[01:37:43]  It's going to be a lot of fun to have a guy up there just giving it to everybody, giving the right answers, pissing everyone off and making everyone not know what to think of them and what box to put them in.
[01:37:54]  It's going to be a lot of fun.
[01:37:56]  Yeah.
[01:37:56]  And also everybody's showing up and making friends and drinking beer and networking.
[01:38:01]  And, you know, in the Ron Paul revolutions, there were all kinds of new families that were created, new businesses that were created, new relationships, and new libertarian movements in all different directions.
[01:38:14]  People working on, you know, single issues on a libertarian basis.
[01:38:19]  Uncountable all over the world, certainly all over this country.
[01:38:23]  And so if you like beer and having fun and meeting new friends, then come on out to this thing.
[01:38:29]  I mean, that's how it's going to be.
[01:38:30]  This whole thing is going to be awesome and all in support, again, of a guy that we can absolutely bank on.
[01:38:36]  No question that he's worth it and worth believing in.
[01:38:39]  He's got a track record.
[01:38:40]  You just go to ffff.org slash blog.
[01:38:43]  That's the Future Freedom Foundation.
[01:38:45]  And if you go to slash blog, that's his, you know, daily articles.
[01:38:49]  And you can read his long form stuff in the Freedom Daily and all that.
[01:38:52]  But you read his blog there and he's got an article a day every day going back for at least, he's been writing every single day for at least 10 years, 15 years or something like that.
[01:39:01]  And I don't know, before that, plenty too.
[01:39:05]  And just no question there that this is a guy that you can feel totally comfortable getting behind and supporting who absolutely knows what's right and knows what's the right answer and all that.
[01:39:15]  So I'm just going to say thank you in advance to the Dave Smith army, 70,000 of you guys all joining up the Libertarian Party in your states and bringing your girlfriends and your wives and your brothers and your brother-in-laws and your best friend Jimmy and everybody down there to make sure that you guys get elected delegates and all that.
[01:39:33]  I really appreciate it a lot.
[01:39:34]  And I know that that's not just blowing smoke, that actually, in fact, thousands, hopefully tens of thousands of Dave Smith listeners are going to take this up and are going to do this and make sure this works.
[01:39:46]  And so that we can all celebrate the great success together, right?
[01:39:50]  So yeah.
[01:39:51]  And I appreciate it, guys.
[01:39:52]  All right, man.
[01:39:53]  Well, Scott, as always, thanks for coming on the show.
[01:39:56]  And I'm sure we'll have a lot of fun having you on the podcast throughout this whole Hornburger run over the next year.
[01:40:02]  And there's just going to always be fun stuff for us to talk about and break down.
[01:40:05]  So I can't wait.
[01:40:07]  And it's always great to talk to you.
[01:40:08]  Real excited about this stuff.
[01:40:10]  And just one final reminder that we were right.
[01:40:12]  Assad never gassed his own people.
[01:40:14]  Go check out those WikiLeaks, what they just released.
[01:40:17]  It's just great.
[01:40:18]  And I mean, it's a tragic way.
[01:40:22]  And lpmisescaucus.com.
[01:40:25]  LPmisescaucus.com.
[01:40:27]  That's where you can find all the instructions, all the how-to stuff.
[01:40:30]  You'll be hearing from Michael Heist later this week of how to get this work done.
[01:40:34]  It's all there for you.
[01:40:35]  And also check out jacobforliberty.com.
[01:40:38]  Jacobforliberty.com.
[01:40:40]  Absolutely, man.
[01:40:41]  And of course, if you're not already, you got to go to libertarianinstitute.org, scotthorton.com, anti-war.com.
[01:40:49]  That's where you can get all his stuff.
[01:40:51]  Wait, hold on.
[01:40:51]  What did I get?
[01:40:52]  ScottHorton.org.
[01:40:53]  I'm sorry.
[01:40:53]  I'm sorry.
[01:40:54]  Yeah, there's this newspaper man in Oklahoma who got ScottHorton.com back in like 94.
[01:40:59]  I'll never get it.
[01:41:00]  So scotthorton.org, anti-war.com, libertarian institute.org.
[01:41:05]  Sorry for getting my orgs and comms confused.
[01:41:09]  All right, everybody.
[01:41:10]  That's our episode for today.
[01:41:12]  And we will be back on Wednesday.
[01:41:14]  I got on Wednesday, we got Ryan Dawson coming on the show.
[01:41:18]  I know I got a lot of requests to have him on.
[01:41:20]  So I'm looking forward to that.
[01:41:21]  And then Friday, Michael Heist.
[01:41:22]  So we got a whole bunch of shows with guests coming up.
[01:41:25]  A lot of fun stuff to talk about.
[01:41:27]  Jacob Hornberg 2020, Jacob Hornberger 2020.
[01:41:30]  And we're going to take this bitch over.
[01:41:32]  All right.
[01:41:33]  See you next time.