Part Of The Problem - Dave Smith - Hot Mics
Aired: 2019-11-07
Duration: 01:06:41


=== Dangerous People in the Park (04:06) ===

[00:00:00]  Fill her up!
[00:00:02]  You are listening to the Gash Digital Network.
[00:00:07]  We need to roll back the state.
[00:00:09]  We spy on all of our own citizens.
[00:00:11]  Our prisons are flooded with nonviolent drug offenders.
[00:00:15]  If you want to know who America's next enemy is, look at who we're funding right now.
[00:00:20]  Every single one of these problems are a result of government being way too big.
[00:00:25]  You're listening to part of the problem on the Gash Digital Network.
[00:00:29]  Here's your host, James Smith.
[00:00:33]  What is up, everybody?
[00:00:35]  What is up?
[00:00:36]  Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem for this week's Wednesday one-on-one series.
[00:00:44]  I'm really excited about this one.
[00:00:47]  I am going one-on-one with me.
[00:00:52]  That's right.
[00:00:53]  Just me.
[00:00:54]  No guest.
[00:00:55]  No Robbie the Fire Bernstein.
[00:00:57]  It's just me.
[00:00:58]  I was thinking about it and I was like, how have we not gotten Dave Smith for one of these one-on-ones yet?
[00:01:03]  And I'll be honest, I'm thrilled we got him.
[00:01:06]  Very excited.
[00:01:07]  Yeah, so it's just me.
[00:01:09]  Just me for this episode.
[00:01:11]  But there's a lot of things that I want to talk about.
[00:01:14]  So we will, I think we have a nice show for you guys today.
[00:01:17]  I had some scheduling issues with the guest I was trying to get and Rob the Fire Bernstein, you know, AIDS flare-ups.
[00:01:26]  So he couldn't come in either.
[00:01:28]  So it's just me speaking to all of you good people.
[00:01:31]  And there's a few things I want to talk about.
[00:01:33]  I was last night, I went down to the Soho Forum.
[00:01:38]  It was a very special edition of the Soho Forum debate series that was not at the normal location.
[00:01:46]  They had it at NYU in some theater space down here by Washington Square Park, which, by the way, I was walking around Washington Square Park, and this may not be relatable for a large audience of people, but people who grew up around the New York City area, Washington Park has changed, man.
[00:02:08]  Washington Park used to be this sketchy fucking park where you could get jumped.
[00:02:14]  And like, it was where it was where there were like all types of drug dealers hung out there.
[00:02:19]  And none of that anymore.
[00:02:21]  It's like families playing down there.
[00:02:24]  I didn't even recognize it down by Washington Square Park.
[00:02:27]  And I think it's not unrelated to the fact that people are smoking weed everywhere now.
[00:02:34]  Like, I don't know if weed is even technically legal in New York, but it's pretty much decriminalized.
[00:02:38]  Like, people smoke weed on the street all the time in New York now and no one gives a fuck.
[00:02:42]  And it used to be very heavily cracked down on in New York City.
[00:02:48]  And then there would be all these drug dealers hanging out in the park, but now everyone's got like delivery services and stuff.
[00:02:53]  So you have to deal with the fact that the street, like if you don't like pot, you have to deal with the fact that, you know, you smell it now when you walk down the street more often.
[00:03:01]  But there's not a whole bunch of shady fucking cracked out drug dealers hanging out in the parks.
[00:03:06]  So that's a plus, you know?
[00:03:08]  Because I hear people say sometimes, which I can kind of relate to now, now that I have, like, I'm, you know, libertarian to the bone.
[00:03:16]  But now that I have a daughter, I can kind of relate to the idea.
[00:03:20]  If I'm like strolling the baby down the block and someone's smoking weed on the block, you kind of are a little like, could you like take this somewhere else?
[00:03:29]  I don't really want pot smoke being blown in my direction when I'm strolling my one-year-old baby.
[00:03:35]  She's almost a year, month away.
[00:03:38]  You know, so I understand that.
[00:03:40]  But at the same time, if the cost versus benefit is like, you know, there's someone smoking weed on the street every now and then, and that's the cost.
[00:03:50]  But the benefit is you have a park now that's not occupied by like seriously fucking sketchy, dangerous people.
[00:03:59]  I think that's one even a Christian conservative family values individual like myself can get on board with.

=== Gene Epstein Room Exposed (10:05) ===

[00:04:07]  All right.
[00:04:07]  So last night at the Soho Forum debate, Gene Epstein debated.
[00:04:13]  He stepped into the ring.
[00:04:14]  Nick Gillespie moderated and Gene Epstein debated Richard Wolfe.
[00:04:19]  Richard Wolf, if you don't know, is like a very prominent commie.
[00:04:28]  I don't even think I'm not saying that as like a pejorative.
[00:04:32]  This is a guy who identifies himself as a socialist communist Marxist.
[00:04:37]  And he debated Gene Epstein.
[00:04:39]  And the resolution was something along the lines of socialism is preferable to capitalism as an economic system that promotes liberty and prosperity and equality, something like that.
[00:04:51]  And I actually had to leave the debate a little bit early.
[00:04:54]  So I didn't catch their closing statements.
[00:04:57]  But Gene was just phenomenal.
[00:04:59]  He was phenomenal.
[00:05:01]  He debated the socks off of this guy.
[00:05:04]  They had a little bit of a problem, I think, with the NYU Wi-Fi.
[00:05:07]  And so the winners didn't get announced right away, but Gene won dominant fashion.
[00:05:12]  I just saw the results and I was really thrilled about this.
[00:05:17]  So Richard Wolfe's side actually declined.
[00:05:21]  And Gene went for...
[00:05:22]  So Richard Wolfe started with 25% of the room and went to 24.5% of the room.
[00:05:29]  Gene Epstein started with 49.5% of the room and went up to 71% of the room.
[00:05:34]  It's just like one of the most dominant victories I've ever seen at the Soho Forum.
[00:05:39]  And I was happy to see that because it was at NYU.
[00:05:42]  So there was like a lot of the normal Soho Forum fans came out to it.
[00:05:48]  But then there's also a lot of students who ended up coming out and the students seemed to be pretty pro-socialist.
[00:05:53]  And anyway, it was a really phenomenal debate.
[00:05:57]  It wasn't a phenomenal debate.
[00:05:58]  Let me take that back.
[00:05:59]  Richard Wolfe, who I will say, I met him and talked with him a little bit before the show.
[00:06:04]  Really nice guy, very pleasant.
[00:06:06]  We were all like laughing around and having fun.
[00:06:09]  He seemed like a good dude.
[00:06:11]  I couldn't believe how bad his arguments were.
[00:06:14]  This was a guy who's gone to, you know, he's like, he went to like Princeton and Yale, I believe.
[00:06:21]  Those were the schools that he went to.
[00:06:22]  He's been a professor for many years.
[00:06:25]  He's like one of the top world-renowned Marxist leaders.
[00:06:30]  The arguments, like you couldn't believe, you couldn't believe how weak they were, how weak the arguments were.
[00:06:37]  It was really something to watch.
[00:06:39]  I actually had to control myself at one point because I opened up the show and did some comedy.
[00:06:44]  It was fun.
[00:06:45]  Didn't have any of the socialist hecklers like I did last time.
[00:06:48]  And then I was sitting in the front row watching, and I felt like I was like making faces at him.
[00:06:53]  The arguments were so bad.
[00:06:54]  And then I was like, all right, don't be like, don't be rude about this.
[00:06:57]  But anyway, so I talked to Gene Epstein today.
[00:07:00]  We're going to do an episode recapping the debate.
[00:07:05]  And I think that'll be a really good, really interesting episode.
[00:07:08]  But I figured it would make more sense to wait till it came out.
[00:07:11]  So the debate comes out.
[00:07:12]  It's released, I think, as a podcast next week.
[00:07:14]  So sometime after that, maybe the week after that, we'll have Gene in for the Wednesday show.
[00:07:20]  And we'll go over that.
[00:07:21]  I'll try to work that out with him.
[00:07:23]  But anyway, look for that.
[00:07:24]  It's going to be the next Soho Forum that's released.
[00:07:27]  They put it out on the Reason podcast and on the Reason YouTube channel.
[00:07:30]  And it was worth watching.
[00:07:34]  It was pretty revealing.
[00:07:35]  I guess if we're going to do a whole podcast recap on it, I'll save the rest of my thoughts on that.
[00:07:40]  But it was a lot of fun.
[00:07:42]  And congratulations to Gene Epstein, who, man, that guy's the libertarian debate champion, the master debater.
[00:07:51]  All right.
[00:07:54]  There's a couple things that I want to talk about today, like the biggest stories that I thought were worth worth covering.
[00:08:02]  And one of them has to do with the impeachment process against Donald Trump.
[00:08:08]  It was just announced by the charismatic, always honest Representative Adam Schiff that next week, impeachment hearings, open impeachment hearings will commence.
[00:08:21]  So there's a lot going on here.
[00:08:24]  And I thought there was some of it that I'd like to try my best to break down.
[00:08:29]  It does look more and more like this is going to be a big story over 2020.
[00:08:34]  So we'll talk about that a little bit.
[00:08:36]  But before that, before we get into that stuff, what I thought was almost more important as a lead story for this episode was this Project Veritas video that I'm sure a lot of you guys have seen by now.
[00:08:52]  But it really is.
[00:08:53]  Project Veritas is, they're amazing.
[00:08:55]  They're fucking incredible what they do.
[00:08:57]  If you're not familiar with them, they do all of these sting operations and they get people who work at major media companies to secretly record people and then they send them over to Project Veritas and they get some really interesting dirt, some stuff that is going on behind the scenes.
[00:09:18]  And, you know, as a libertarian, I think, hold on, let me, I got to take off my jacket.
[00:09:23]  I'm fucking getting hot in here.
[00:09:26]  Obviously, our enemy is the state.
[00:09:30]  Excuse me, I apologize.
[00:09:32]  Very unprofessional.
[00:09:35]  So obviously our enemy is the state.
[00:09:38]  But, you know, as much as anything that were to actually roll back the state would be a huge victory, you know, if you were to say, oh, we found a way to expose, you know, something going on in the state or we found a way to cut the federal budget or anything like that would be great.
[00:09:55]  But the corporate press is as much an enemy as anything else because if it wasn't for them, I mean, they're like the they're the propaganda wing of the state.
[00:10:06]  So anybody who's who's exposing the media on a large level is doing a great service.
[00:10:11]  I remember when I worked at CNN, when I worked for Turner, talking with like Essie and some of the other people in the green room about Project Veritas, they hate these guys so much.
[00:10:23]  And this was before they had that big expose on CNN.
[00:10:26]  They just hated.
[00:10:27]  They hated the idea that someone had the nerve to try to go in and like try to expose what goes on behind the scenes at these major media conglomerations.
[00:10:38]  But anyway, this is the latest one that's come out.
[00:10:40]  It's going super viral.
[00:10:43]  It's incredible.
[00:10:44]  Everything about the video is really incredible.
[00:10:46]  So let's play that and then we'll discuss.
[00:10:53]  I've had the story for three years.
[00:10:55]  I've had this interview with Virginia Roberts.
[00:10:57]  We would not put it on the air.
[00:10:59]  First of all, I was told, who's Jeffrey Epstein?
[00:11:00]  No one knows who that is.
[00:11:01]  This is a stupid story.
[00:11:03]  Then the palace found out that we had her whole allegations about Prince Andrew and threatened us a million different ways.
[00:11:12]  We were so afraid we wouldn't be able to interview Kate.
[00:11:17]  That also quashed the story.
[00:11:19]  And then Alan Dershowitz was also implicated in it because of the planes.
[00:11:24]  She told me everything.
[00:11:26]  She had pictures.
[00:11:26]  She had everything.
[00:11:27]  She was in hiding for 12 years.
[00:11:29]  We convinced her to come out.
[00:11:30]  We convinced her to talk to us.
[00:11:32]  It was unbelievable what we had.
[00:11:34]  Clinton, we had everything.
[00:11:38]  I tried for three years to get it on to no avail.
[00:11:41]  And now it's all coming out.
[00:11:42]  And it's like these new revelations.
[00:11:44]  And I freaking had all of it.
[00:11:47]  I'm so pissed right now.
[00:11:49]  Every day I get more and more pissed because I'm just like, oh my God.
[00:11:54]  What we had was unreal.
[00:11:56]  Other women backing it up.
[00:11:58]  Hey, yep.
[00:12:00]  Brad Edwards, the attorney, three years ago saying, like, there will come a day where we will realize Jeffrey Epstein was the most prolific pedophile this country has ever known.
[00:12:10]  I had it all three years ago.
[00:12:14]  All right.
[00:12:14]  So there it is.
[00:12:16]  So this is an ABC News reporter, and she's on, I guess what you would call a hot mic.
[00:12:23]  It's really, you know, I know to a lot of people, it's crazy because they're like, well, you're there and she's mic'd up and she's just talking like this.
[00:12:30]  I will say, from my experience doing cable news shows, you would be surprised how quickly you forget a lapel mic is on you and you just start talking regularly.
[00:12:43]  Like I've actually had, we've joked around about this several different times before, like in the green room at Kennedy, but they'll come in and mic you up.
[00:12:51]  Sometimes they mic you up like 20 minutes before you get on air.
[00:12:56]  And it's not like holding a microphone in front of you.
[00:12:59]  It just kind of clips onto your shirt.
[00:13:01]  And then you're sitting there and you just start bullshitting with people and you're just talking the way you talk in the green room.
[00:13:07]  You know, you're just like talking to somebody.
[00:13:09]  And then you kind of like, it'll dawn on you sometimes.
[00:13:11]  You're like, oh, should I have a mic on right now?
[00:13:13]  Like, I don't know who's listening to me as I speak.
[00:13:16]  And that's, so it, it's, I would just say that just from experience, I was surprised how much you're like, yeah, you kind of just start talking like normal.
[00:13:25]  Like you're not really conscious of the fact that this is being recorded.
[00:13:28]  So I could see this happening.
[00:13:30]  And the other thing is that this woman is clearly pissed off.
[00:13:34]  Like she is legitimately pissed off.
[00:13:36]  And when you're pissed off like that, you let down your guard sometimes and you just start speaking candidly.
[00:13:43]  So that just think about what's being said here and what this all is and what it says about the mainstream media.
[00:13:53]  First of all, before even getting into the substance of the actual story involved, there's something interesting and Project Veritas has really kind of exposed this, that it's not as simple as one might imagine, as maybe I had imagined in the past.

=== Mudwater Morning Ritual (02:40) ===

[00:14:12]  It's not as simple as I'm sure a lot of you guys have imagined.
[00:14:16]  It's not as simple as the corporate press is evil or the corporate press is all controlled by the deep state or, you know, I mean, like there are elements of both of those things.
[00:14:27]  But the other element that I'm sure a lot of you, myself included, have really never appreciated until some of these recent revelations is how many people there are at these networks who want to do journalism and are not allowed to.
[00:14:49]  And that it pisses them off.
[00:14:52]  Now, I'm not saying they're like the fucking best journalists in the world, some of these people.
[00:14:57]  I mean, some of them, I actually find most of them to be very unimpressive.
[00:15:03]  But a lot of them are not bought, like they haven't bought into some conspiracy.
[00:15:10]  They still think of themselves as the good guys, or at least they want to.
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[00:16:47]  You know, identity is an is a powerful thing.
[00:16:50]  Identity is very powerful.

=== Royal Family Propaganda (14:41) ===

[00:16:53]  And if you identify with some type of conspiracy, like you're you're uh cynical enough to be like, yeah, we're gonna, you know, I'm gonna control the outcome here.
[00:17:05]  We're gonna control the narrative.
[00:17:07]  We're gonna trick people.
[00:17:08]  We're gonna do all this shit.
[00:17:09]  Then you can get into that role.
[00:17:11]  But if you identify as like, I'm a journalist, and then you're not allowed to do journalism, that's a tough situation.
[00:17:19]  Now, a lot of these journalists don't necessarily have the understanding of government corruption or economics or history or any of these things to really do solid reporting on, you know, government scandals or government corruption.
[00:17:41]  But when you're talking about a pedophile, you don't really need any of that to go, oh yeah, I think being a pedophile is fucking wrong.
[00:17:51]  And I've got the evidence that this guy is.
[00:17:53]  And he's a very rich, powerful person, as she said there, the most prolific pedophile in American history.
[00:18:00]  And the story was squashed.
[00:18:02]  Now, why was it?
[00:18:04]  I mean, she had a story about a guy who's incredibly politically connected.
[00:18:08]  Now, what did they say there?
[00:18:09]  They say that they were getting a lot of pressure from the royal family.
[00:18:14]  Now, what does this say?
[00:18:16]  The big takeaway from all of this, right, is what the fuck does this say about ABC News?
[00:18:23]  And then what does it say about the larger picture of the corporate press?
[00:18:29]  I mean, think about all of the shit that Fox News gets, like in the mainstream world.
[00:18:34]  Think about all of the heat that Fox News, oh, that bullshit Fox News.
[00:18:38]  You know, there's, okay.
[00:18:40]  But think about all the shit that Breitbart News gets or the fake news, right, online, like, you know, these fake news sources.
[00:18:47]  Remember that they were all like scared.
[00:18:49]  Remember, they all, people forget, but the term fake news was not something that Donald Trump came out with and started calling everybody.
[00:18:57]  It was something that CNN, ABC, NBC, all of these companies came out with, and they started talking about the problem of fake news on the internet.
[00:19:06]  And then Donald Trump took it and started being like, your fake news.
[00:19:10]  But so they started by calling all these other people fake news.
[00:19:14]  But look at this.
[00:19:14]  We now know that NBC News did everything they could to kill the Harvey Weinstein story.
[00:19:21]  And now we see that ABC News did everything they could to kill the Jeffrey Epstein story from coming out.
[00:19:28]  So right away, you know, it's like, what does it say about ABC News and the rest of the corporate press?
[00:19:34]  Who doesn't, who never criticizes ABC News?
[00:19:37]  They don't criticize, you know, you don't, you'll see them really criticize.
[00:19:40]  Like, it'll be our favorite little piggy on CNN will come out anytime if Laura Ingram says something like, you know, immigrants are changing the culture of our country.
[00:19:50]  They'll be like, oh, my God, it's dog whistling white supremacy, right?
[00:19:53]  Like, that's a big problem for them.
[00:19:55]  Did he have anything to say about, you know, CBS showing the Kentucky gun range and claiming it was a war zone?
[00:20:02]  Claiming it was the poor Kurds.
[00:20:04]  My poor Kurds.
[00:20:06]  My Kurds.
[00:20:09]  That doesn't seem to generate any outrage.
[00:20:11]  How about this one?
[00:20:12]  Are we going to have a whole thing?
[00:20:13]  No, if anything, they'll probably shit on Project Veritas.
[00:20:16]  So my point is they don't really have a problem with ABC News.
[00:20:18]  They all go along with it.
[00:20:19]  They have a problem with Fox News and Breitbart and alt-right news or whatever else it is.
[00:20:24]  But what do you have here?
[00:20:25]  First off, could you imagine?
[00:20:27]  So the pressure that they were saying they get from the royal family.
[00:20:30]  I mean, just to an average American listening to that, I would guess that your reaction to someone saying the royal family, like if I ran a news organization, which I don't, I'm just an idiot talking shit on a podcast.
[00:20:45]  But even right here on my podcast, let's say I'm talking shit on my podcast and Bobby Hutch told me, he goes, you know, we're getting a lot of pressure from the royal family about the last podcast that you did.
[00:20:56]  I would imagine my reaction would be like, okay.
[00:20:59]  Who the fuck cares about the royal family?
[00:21:03]  Didn't we win a war in the 1700s that kind of took care of this?
[00:21:07]  I don't give a fuck what the fucking, what the queen thinks about what I do.
[00:21:11]  Like, what can she possibly do to me?
[00:21:14]  Like, I don't know.
[00:21:14]  I'm scared of my own government if they were like coming after.
[00:21:17]  You know, if you were like, oh, you pissed off the CIA, they're coming for you.
[00:21:19]  That might freak me out.
[00:21:20]  But the royal family.
[00:21:21]  And then she says what they were saying is, you'll never get an interview with the prince and princess again.
[00:21:31]  So that was ABC News's standard.
[00:21:32]  They were like, well, I mean, we can't expose the most prolific pedophile in American history because then how will we ask the princess what she's going to wear at her next at the wedding or whatever the fuck.
[00:21:44]  Sorry, I don't keep up with the royal family.
[00:21:46]  I don't know.
[00:21:46]  I think it's not actually the princess, right?
[00:21:48]  She's not the princess.
[00:21:49]  He's the prince.
[00:21:50]  Whatever.
[00:21:50]  She's just some American half black chick.
[00:21:53]  Anyway, but that was more valuable to ABC News.
[00:21:58]  Now, I don't know if that's actually it.
[00:22:00]  I think the problem was more that it implicated all of these people, like the Clintons and Alan Dershowitz and a lot of fucking important people.
[00:22:08]  But think about what this is.
[00:22:10]  This isn't just ABC.
[00:22:13]  You know, like the Harvey Weinstein story, even that isn't nearly as disgusting as this.
[00:22:20]  None of those.
[00:22:21]  This is a fucking monster.
[00:22:23]  This is somebody, those girls who were with Epstein, they were as young as 13, 14 years old.
[00:22:29]  You're talking about somebody who should be put down like a dog.
[00:22:33]  A fucking child rapist.
[00:22:36]  That's what he fucking is.
[00:22:38]  I've heard this referred to so many times.
[00:22:39]  It'll be like, you know, the Epstein scandal or things like that.
[00:22:42]  Like, no, no, no, it's not a scandal.
[00:22:43]  He didn't cheat on his wife.
[00:22:45]  He raped children and they debted that story.
[00:22:49]  And she says right there, flat out, now this is just her saying it, but seems to be pretty believable, seeing as how it all turned out to be true, that she had it.
[00:22:58]  That all these details, she's like, we had the sources, we had the witnesses, we had details given.
[00:23:04]  We had it all.
[00:23:05]  A child rapist.
[00:23:06]  They're willing to cover up for that child rapist.
[00:23:10]  That is some fucking damning.
[00:23:12]  That is a damning fucking story.
[00:23:14]  And I would watch out for that woman's career.
[00:23:18]  May not be great.
[00:23:19]  May not be on solid ground.
[00:23:25]  The reason why I wanted to talk about that before getting into the impeachment stuff is that it's just like, you know, just keep that.
[00:23:32]  Like everything with the fucking the five, however many years we've been doing part of the problem now.
[00:23:37]  I was going to say five, 300-plus episodes that we've been doing in there.
[00:23:41]  Yeah, seven or eight years, something like that.
[00:23:44]  For as long as we've been doing this, it's just like one more drop.
[00:23:47]  Almost every episode is one more drop of a reason why you shouldn't trust the fucking mainstream media.
[00:23:51]  One more piece of evidence, one more reason, one more obvious slam dunk of how they're fucking complete liars.
[00:23:58]  They are absolutely not journalists.
[00:23:59]  They're in the business of propaganda.
[00:24:02]  But so I just thought here, one more, a really good one right there to start.
[00:24:06]  And then you can talk about how the mainstream media is covering this impeachment thing and whether you should give them a fucking drop of credibility, which you shouldn't.
[00:24:19]  So Donald Trump is dealing with the beginning of an impeachment proceeding now.
[00:24:26]  And that's going to be, as I said earlier, the open hearings will begin next week.
[00:24:34]  At least that's what they announced today.
[00:24:36]  So I had an article up from CNN.com.
[00:24:40]  I wanted to go through this a little bit.
[00:24:42]  Of course, I've been talking about for quite a while now at first, the Russia collusion narrative, which I was telling you from the very beginning was bullshit and was going to fall apart.
[00:24:56]  I talked about the, you know, the fucking Mueller report and how the whole obstruction narrative was complete bullshit and that was going to fall apart.
[00:25:06]  And now I'm telling you, this impeachment thing is complete bullshit.
[00:25:09]  Not so sure it's going to fall apart, but we'll see.
[00:25:13]  I wouldn't predict this is going to fall apart as much as I did with that other stuff because when you're talking about a criminal investigation like the Mueller report or the Mueller investigation, you have to actually find some shred of evidence of a crime.
[00:25:30]  I mean, don't get me wrong, there's a lot of problems in the criminal justice system in America, and there's certainly a lot of problems.
[00:25:37]  You know, like if you have, if you have the deep state on your ass, they can get you for a lot of shit.
[00:25:43]  Like, I think, you know, from my understanding of the Constitution, I think that what, you know, Edward Snowden did was fucking, was, was legal, but I don't think he would win in a court.
[00:25:55]  I think if he came back to America, that motherfucker will be in a cell for the rest of his life.
[00:26:00]  But if you're trying to bring evidence of a crime against Donald Trump that is just completely made up, like the idea that he's in a conspiracy with the Russians, I just felt like there's no way they're going to have enough here.
[00:26:14]  And so I was able to predict that was going to fail.
[00:26:16]  With impeachment, all you need is for people in Congress to vote for it.
[00:26:22]  So now it's not a matter of like, oh, there's no jury, there's not lawyers, there's not evidence.
[00:26:27]  It's not like that.
[00:26:28]  It's not the same thing.
[00:26:30]  It's just what they're going to vote for.
[00:26:33]  And I don't trust for a second that a whole bunch of these Republicans would end up turning their back on Donald Trump and stabbing him in the back.
[00:26:40]  So I don't actually think it's outside the range of possibility that he gets impeached and removed.
[00:26:46]  But the odds are against it.
[00:26:48]  Let's say that.
[00:26:50]  But in terms of the actual substance of this, the whole thing is fucking bullshit.
[00:26:54]  It is just one more example of the deep state attempting to overthrow the president.
[00:27:01]  President, who I'm no fan of as a president, I'm definitely a fan of his as an entertainer.
[00:27:09]  The guy is goddamn hilarious.
[00:27:11]  Anyway, so here's an article, and it's on CNN.com.
[00:27:15]  The article is by Marshall Cohen, and the title of the article is Impeachment Inquiry Uncovers Three Clear Examples of Trump-Ukraine quid pro quo.
[00:27:29]  All right, let's get to the article.
[00:27:31]  The impeachment inquiry has uncovered at least three examples of the quid pro quo between the Trump administration and Ukraine, where U.S. military aid and a White House visit were used as leverage to secure an announcement that Ukraine was investigating President Donald Trump's rivals, according to documents and testimony from key witnesses.
[00:27:53]  So right away, just responding to the title, and I think this is something that'll become, I believe I've mentioned it before on the show, but this will become something that has to be repeated over and over again over the next year, or as long as this impeachment business is going on.
[00:28:09]  So the term quid pro quo that everybody is using is kind of a meaningless term.
[00:28:19]  And that's kind of the reason why they're using this term over and over again.
[00:28:25]  So quid pro quo means almost nothing.
[00:28:32]  Quid pro quo is basically another way of saying a deal.
[00:28:37]  It's a deal, like any deal.
[00:28:40]  Donald Trump ran on being the art of the deal guy.
[00:28:43]  Like he's like, I make great deals.
[00:28:45]  I'm going to make great deals.
[00:28:48]  That was like right at the center of his whole campaign.
[00:28:51]  But I'm the deal guy.
[00:28:53]  But that's what a quid pro quo is.
[00:28:55]  It's I want something in return for something.
[00:28:59]  So I don't really, it's not that there's no problem, at least in most people's minds and constitutionally, legally, there's nothing that would be different about Donald Trump making a deal saying, I want this for that.
[00:29:19]  And in fact, every president has done this.
[00:29:21]  This is, I mean, I don't even know how many examples you could choose throughout history, but we've had a million different deals.
[00:29:27]  I mean, like, NATO is a quid pro quo, right?
[00:29:30]  Like, it's like, we will agree to like a mutual defense agreement.
[00:29:36]  Like, we will defend your country as long as you agree to send troops when NATO declares a thing.
[00:29:41]  That's a quid pro quo.
[00:29:42]  It's a deal.
[00:29:42]  It's a we get something for giving something.
[00:29:44]  That's it.
[00:29:45]  A relationship with Saudi Arabia, a relationship with Israel, all of these things are quid pro quos.
[00:29:51]  But the idea is that they're deals for the country.
[00:29:55]  So if you're doing a deal that's just for you individually, that would be something different.
[00:30:00]  So if you were like, I don't know, if Donald Trump was like, I'll give you a whole bunch of military aid, but then I want you to buy 100,000 shares of Trump hotels, that would be something different where it would be corruption.
[00:30:18]  So it's not like a quid pro quo itself.
[00:30:20]  That doesn't mean anything.
[00:30:22]  What you'd have to demonstrate is that Donald Trump did something for himself, not for the benefit of the country.
[00:30:28]  Now, of course, that also happens all the time, and every single president does that.
[00:30:33]  Usually, nobody really cares to talk about it.
[00:30:37]  But if you don't, now you don't necessarily know every single time what the deal was, you know, like what exactly, like, did they ever explicitly say, I do this for you, you do this for me?
[00:30:49]  Or was it just kind of a wink and a nod?
[00:30:51]  Hard to say.
[00:30:52]  What we do know is that the effect of these quid pro quos happen all the time.
[00:30:58]  So just like for an example like that, right, is that is Obama continues the Bush bailouts of the big banks, and then Obama goes and gives a speech to the big banks and gets $400,000 for a speech after he's out of office.
[00:31:13]  So there's Barack Obama using the power of government to give trillions of dollars in liquidity.
[00:31:21]  The power of government, appointing Federal Reserve chairs.
[00:31:24]  I mean, okay, from the Congress, maybe he only approved, you know, whatever, a few hundred billion, but from the Federal Reserve, something like, I think, 15 trillion, according to the last like FOIA releasings.

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[00:33:20]  So trillions of dollars, you know, in liquidity go to the big banks.
[00:33:24]  Then Barack Obama gets out.
[00:33:25]  He's getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for a speech.
[00:33:28]  Don't get me wrong, Barack Obama, very good speaker, but I don't really think these bankers just really wanted to hear a great speech.
[00:33:35]  I don't think that's the way bankers usually spend their money.
[00:33:38]  And there's lots of, that's just one out of a million.
[00:33:40]  There's lots of great deals.
[00:33:41]  I mean, look, the Clintons have made like hundreds of millions of dollars since leaving the White House.
[00:33:46]  The Joe Biden's made millions of dollars since leaving the White House.
[00:33:50]  This is how it works.
[00:33:51]  This is the normal process of how it works.

=== Biden Ukraine Investigation (13:51) ===

[00:33:57]  So again, so the issue would be, can you show something where Donald Trump is doing something for him personally that isn't about the country?
[00:34:05]  Okay.
[00:34:06]  So back to the article.
[00:34:08]  The question of whether there was quid pro quo is at the heart of the impeachment inquiry.
[00:34:14]  Well, again, like I just said, not exactly.
[00:34:16]  That's just intentionally vague.
[00:34:18]  See, what they want to do is kind of like, you know, kind of water this down.
[00:34:23]  So you go, oh, okay, I guess there was quid pro quo, so I guess he should be impeached.
[00:34:26]  But that's, that's, you know, maybe it's at the heart of it, but what's really at the heart of it, more specifically, is did he do something that is different than what every president does?
[00:34:35]  Or did he do something that is actually about him personally benefiting, maybe at the expense of the country, or that has nothing to do with the country?
[00:34:43]  All right.
[00:34:44]  Trump has been adamant that he did nothing wrong and tweeted at least 15 times since the inquiry began that there was no quid pro quo yet.
[00:34:52]  Many Democrats have said from the start that they saw evidence of Trump attempting to trade U.S. military assistance for political favors from Ukraine.
[00:35:02]  Legal analysts and experts on the impeachment process have said the investigation doesn't actually need to find incontrovertible proof of a quid pro quo for the House to impeach Trump.
[00:35:15]  And technically, they are right about that.
[00:35:17]  An impeachable offense is whatever Congress decides it is.
[00:35:20]  So they, yeah.
[00:35:22]  All right.
[00:35:22]  Nevertheless, after a month of interviews with senior Trump administration officials, lawmakers have unearthed at least three examples of quid pro quo.
[00:35:32]  Here's a complete breakdown.
[00:35:35]  The Volcker text message.
[00:35:37]  So there's three examples.
[00:35:38]  Here's the first one.
[00:35:38]  The Volcker text message.
[00:35:40]  Trump's special envoy to Ukraine, Kurt Volcker, told a senior Ukrainian official that the new Ukrainian president could secure a White House invite if he convinced Trump he would launch an investigation into potential Ukrainian meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.
[00:35:58]  All right.
[00:35:59]  So that's the first one.
[00:36:00]  What's the big problem with this one?
[00:36:05]  You guys all know what it is already, right?
[00:36:07]  What's the big problem with this?
[00:36:08]  It's that this isn't about Joe Biden.
[00:36:11]  This isn't about a political rival.
[00:36:13]  This isn't even about 2020.
[00:36:15]  This is about 2016.
[00:36:18]  And what happened that this whole fake Russian collusion narrative got inserted into the American lexicon.
[00:36:27]  That this was something that hung over Donald Trump's head for three years, leading to a special prosecutor, which ultimately exonerated him, or as close to exonerating as prosecutors do.
[00:36:39]  So that's what he wanted to investigate.
[00:36:42]  Now, what you'd have to argue is that this isn't in the best interest of the country.
[00:36:46]  It's just in the interest of Donald Trump.
[00:36:49]  I mean, you could make an argument that it's in the interest of Donald Trump, but look, come on.
[00:36:53]  I mean, if, like, how much do you want to, like, like, how far would you take that?
[00:37:03]  That if something at all benefits you, then it's got to be corrupt.
[00:37:07]  Like, for example, if, I don't know, if Donald Trump were to make a deal, let's say, with the Kurds, that they would give them weapons if they fought ISIS.
[00:37:25]  Would you say that that's a quid pro quo for Donald Trump to help himself?
[00:37:30]  Because then he gets to say, look, we beat ISIS?
[00:37:33]  Or would you just say, well, no, because that's in the best interest of the country.
[00:37:37]  ISIS has declared us, you know, war against the West.
[00:37:41]  So, no, I mean, you would want to beat ISIS, their maniac terrorists.
[00:37:45]  So I wouldn't necessarily say this is a quid pro quo, even though if it is in fact successful, sure, it would be good for Donald Trump, right?
[00:37:56]  So that just seems like way too much of a stretch.
[00:37:59]  That way, any president who ever tried to accomplish something, you could accuse them of just doing it for their own reelection effort.
[00:38:07]  Like, sure, but that seems like a stretch.
[00:38:10]  So the only argument that Donald Trump would have to make is that getting to the bottom of what happened in 2016 is in the interest of the country, which it obviously is.
[00:38:21]  So anything, by the way, none of this, you can't possibly say he's soliciting help to interfere in the election, dig dirt up on his political rivals.
[00:38:30]  I mean, okay, maybe he's digging up dirt on Hillary Clinton, but that political rivalry is over.
[00:38:34]  He already won.
[00:38:36]  He doesn't need to help himself win the 2016 election anymore.
[00:38:39]  So this is all looking in the past.
[00:38:41]  He's asking them to investigate something that happened in Ukraine.
[00:38:46]  And sure, I'm sure he's hoping for a certain result, but that couldn't be, you know, any more than there being an investigation of Trump under Obama, right?
[00:38:54]  I mean, you couldn't possibly, in fact, that's way more scandalous.
[00:38:58]  But anyway, so this whole thing now is just kind of moot because it's not about Biden.
[00:39:03]  That's what they have to say is that he's calling on foreign powers to interfere in an election.
[00:39:09]  So Volcker told Yermark in the text, good lunch, thanks.
[00:39:15]  Heard from White House.
[00:39:16]  Assuming President Z convinces Trump he will investigate, get to the bottom of what happened in 2016.
[00:39:22]  We will nail down date for visit to Washington.
[00:39:24]  Good luck.
[00:39:24]  See you tomorrow.
[00:39:25]  Okay, so it seems like at least somebody was suggesting that Donald Trump wanted to get to the bottom of 2016.
[00:39:31]  Of course he does.
[00:39:32]  Who wouldn't?
[00:39:33]  I do too.
[00:39:35]  What does that mean?
[00:39:37]  All right.
[00:39:39]  Number two, the Trump phone call.
[00:39:42]  After Volcker sent those texts, Trump got on the phone with Zelensky during the July 25th conversation.
[00:39:50]  Zelensky brought up the U.S. military assistance to Ukraine, which has been at the center of U.S. policy since Russia and its proxies invaded eastern Ukraine in 2014.
[00:40:03]  Excuse me.
[00:40:04]  So this is the phone call that everybody's talking about.
[00:40:08]  Here's Trump.
[00:40:09]  I would like, quote from Donald Trump.
[00:40:11]  I would like you to do us a favor, though, Trump interjected, according to a rough White House transcript.
[00:40:16]  Because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it, I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine.
[00:40:24]  They say crowd strike.
[00:40:26]  I guess you have one of your wealthy people.
[00:40:28]  The server, they say Ukraine has it.
[00:40:31]  This was the request for Ukraine to investigate the conspiracy theories about 2016.
[00:40:37]  Of course, then again, they throw up this word conspiracy theories.
[00:40:40]  It's like, I don't know.
[00:40:41]  A false accusation of Donald Trump got inserted into the fucking popular conversation.
[00:40:47]  It led to all of these investigations.
[00:40:49]  This happened, motherfucker.
[00:40:51]  Like, we may not know exactly how it started, but it happened.
[00:40:55]  So there's nothing there that, you know, I mean, yes, it is technically a conspiracy theory, but that does not mean there's anything wrong with looking into it.
[00:41:06]  Later in the conversation, Trump asked Zelensky to work with his personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, to investigate allegations of corruption by former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter, who had a highly paid position on the board of Ukrainian energy company, despite Trump and Giuliani's claim that there is no evidence of wrongdoing by the Bidens.
[00:41:28]  So there you have the first mention of Joe Biden.
[00:41:32]  And we all knew this right in the phone call.
[00:41:33]  He mentioned that Joe Biden, he thought this thing was could be corrupt.
[00:41:39]  Okay.
[00:41:39]  And then the third example, the Sondland pull aside.
[00:41:45]  As the summer progressed, a Trump-Zelensky meeting at the White House still had not been scheduled.
[00:41:50]  And news reports revealed that there was an inexplicable holdup in U.S. military and security aid for Ukraine, a $400 million package that was already approved by Congress.
[00:42:02]  Trump was meant to meet Zelensky at an event in Poland, but those plans fell through when Trump stayed home to deal with a hurricane.
[00:42:11]  Zelensky met with Vice President Mike Pence instead.
[00:42:14]  After the meeting, Zelensky's aide, Yermark, had a conversation with U.S. Ambassador to the EU, Gordon Sondland, a wealthy donor to Trump who handled Ukrainian issues.
[00:42:26]  After first denying there was ever a quid pro quo offer to Ukraine, Sondland made a significant revision to his testimony this week in which he admitted that there was.
[00:42:38]  Quote, I now recall speaking individually with Mr. Yermark where I said that resumption of U.S. aid would likely not occur until Ukraine provided the public anti-corruption statement that we had been discussing for many weeks.
[00:42:54]  Sondlin said in a revised testimony to House lawmakers, the anti-corruption statement is an apparent euphemism for public announcement that Trump hoped Zelensky would make, where Zelensky would say that Ukraine was investigating the allegations regarding Biden and his son, as well as potential Ukrainian meddling in 2016.
[00:43:15]  A declaration like that would give Trump a major talking point to use against Biden on the trail.
[00:43:23]  All right.
[00:43:24]  So this is what they've got.
[00:43:29]  Trump, they're claiming now, this ambassador to the EU, it's all a little bit weird.
[00:43:34]  Why would the ambassador to the EU have anything to do with Ukraine?
[00:43:37]  Leave that aside.
[00:43:38]  He now has revised his testimony this week and is saying that, yes, Donald Trump did want them to investigate the Bidens.
[00:43:46]  Now, this is where they'll say the problem there is that he's gaining personally because he's looking at them to investigate his political rival.
[00:43:56]  However, there's still a really big problem here.
[00:44:00]  And I'm not, you know, I'm not a legal expert, but if we're just talking about the spirit of these things, like what's really a scandal and what's not, here's the issue that you have to deal with.
[00:44:12]  Well, there's a couple, but here's the big one.
[00:44:17]  If Joe Biden is not, like, if he's asking them to investigate Joe Biden and he says this would give him a big talking point, well, if the investigation found no wrongdoing, then it wouldn't really, right?
[00:44:32]  If the investigation found wrongdoing, then it would.
[00:44:36]  But there'd be wrongdoing that was uncovered by an investigation.
[00:44:40]  So why is that really unfair?
[00:44:42]  I mean, nobody seemed to think, on this side at least, that it was unfair that Donald Trump was being investigated.
[00:44:49]  They were like, well, let's see if he did anything wrong.
[00:44:52]  So the fact that Donald Trump wants them to investigate, I mean, if he was telling them to investigate and make up dirt on Joe Biden, then sure, I'd see where the scandal is.
[00:45:03]  But just to investigate doesn't seem like much.
[00:45:05]  And here's the other problem, right?
[00:45:07]  Yes, it benefits Donald Trump.
[00:45:08]  But back to the example I used before, let's say just like Donald Trump was trying to secure a really great trade deal with China or something like that.
[00:45:18]  And he secured it.
[00:45:20]  And then they go, well, he only did this so he had a talking point for the next election.
[00:45:24]  It's like, okay, yeah, but that's not really the question.
[00:45:27]  The question is whether there was anything wrong in what he did that allows him to get this talking point.
[00:45:31]  So here's what I would say.
[00:45:33]  I would ask you this.
[00:45:34]  Let's say Joe Biden wasn't running for president and he wasn't Donald Trump's opponent.
[00:45:42]  That takes away your entire argument that there's anything wrong with this.
[00:45:46]  So let's say Joe Biden wasn't running for president and wasn't Donald Trump's opponent and he just goes, hey, I want you to investigate what was going on with the former vice president and his son.
[00:45:55]  You'd have to admit that this is fine, right?
[00:45:57]  Because your whole argument here is that this gives him a talking point for 2020, right?
[00:46:04]  So you see the problem here?
[00:46:06]  There's absolutely nothing wrong with what Donald Trump did unless Joe Biden runs for president.
[00:46:11]  And then Joe Biden runs for president.
[00:46:13]  And now you're saying he can't do that because Joe Biden is running for president.
[00:46:17]  But isn't there a problem here?
[00:46:19]  Because then couldn't Joe Biden just get out of being investigated by running for president?
[00:46:26]  Like it either has to be okay to investigate Joe Biden or it's not okay to investigate him.
[00:46:33]  But it can't be okay to investigate him unless he starts applying for a job and now all of a sudden you're not allowed to.
[00:46:41]  That seems to me to be a big problem, a real big problem that they're going to have to overcome.
[00:46:47]  But really the bigger problem with all of this, the bigger problem with all of these issues is who the fuck cares?
[00:46:57]  Who cares?
[00:47:00]  Tell me why anyone's supposed to care about this.
[00:47:03]  Well, I'll tell you why people do care about this.
[00:47:07]  People on the pro impeachment side, why they care about it.
[00:47:10]  It's because they hate Donald Trump.
[00:47:12]  They hate Donald Trump's guts and they want to get him on something.
[00:47:15]  They feel like he's corrupt.
[00:47:17]  So here we go.
[00:47:18]  Here's the corruption.
[00:47:19]  But that's the only reason why they care.
[00:47:22]  Because there's not really any other reason to care.
[00:47:25]  You really care about Donald Trump trying to work out an investigation that he was never able to work out.
[00:47:31]  You really care about Donald Trump trying to hold up aid that he ended up relinquishing anyway?
[00:47:38]  That's the thing that doesn't really come up a lot in this conversation is that Ukraine got the fucking aid and he never seems to have gotten any of the investigations he wanted.
[00:47:46]  So none of this really happened that way.

=== HeshiSocks Wars and Feet (03:32) ===

[00:47:48]  At all, like everything's fine.
[00:47:51]  But why?
[00:47:52]  But look, there's nothing here.
[00:47:55]  If I talk about a scandal, right, like a scandal with Obama, like I talk about Obama starting the war in Yemen to quote placate the Saudis, I'm talking about the scandal.
[00:48:06]  If you were to ask me the quick follow-up, well, why would anyone care about this?
[00:48:09]  It'd be like, because there's a borderline genocide going on in Yemen.
[00:48:14]  That's why you care.
[00:48:17]  That's why you care about this.
[00:48:19]  There's an obvious answer.
[00:48:22]  If you ask about any of these wars, like why should we care about these wars?
[00:48:25]  Like, oh, because they're bankrupting the country.
[00:48:27]  They're killing hundreds of thousands of people.
[00:48:29]  They're fucking destroying everything.
[00:48:31]  So that's why you care.
[00:48:34]  You can point to like, it's like, oh, well, why should we care about that?
[00:48:36]  I don't know.
[00:48:37]  Like, ask the troops who are killing themselves every day why they care about that.
[00:48:42]  Go visit a VA hospital.
[00:48:44]  Tell them they shouldn't care about it, you know?
[00:48:46]  But this, why does anyone care?
[00:48:48]  It's corruption.
[00:48:49]  It's abuse of power.
[00:48:51]  It's such a stretch.
[00:48:53]  And here's the problem.
[00:48:54]  And this is what I see that the Democrats and the mainstream media and all these guys, what they're falling into here.
[00:49:01]  And they really never, you know, they never wanted to acknowledge what their weaknesses were that allowed Donald Trump to win.
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[00:50:46]  And this has been one of the crazy things.
[00:50:48]  We've talked about it a lot on the podcast.
[00:50:50]  But one of the crazy things over the last few years is that they never had a moment, for the most part, at least, like the vast majority of them, they never had a moment where they took a breath, where they went, let me assess what happened in 2016.
[00:51:02]  Like, how exactly did we get here?
[00:51:04]  None of that.
[00:51:06]  It was just easier to decide, well, the Russians cheated.
[00:51:10]  He's a Russian agent and everybody's racist.
[00:51:13]  That was easier than going like, holy shit, how did this end up happening?
[00:51:18]  How were people so pissed off that they were ready to go with Donald Trump?

=== Lose Game Con Man Talks (04:07) ===

[00:51:21]  Why do they have such low trust in media?
[00:51:23]  Like, what's going on here?
[00:51:26]  And obviously, you know, I mean, there's a lot of reasons that go into that, but obviously it's a lot easier.
[00:51:31]  It's a lot easier to just say, well, the Russians interfered and everybody's racist than to actually look in the mirror.
[00:51:37]  Obviously, then you don't have to think about how terrible of a job you've done, how lousy of a journalist or how lousy of a politician you are.
[00:51:46]  But there's also a major weakness in not doing that.
[00:51:50]  You know, it's like if someone, if you get fired from a job or maybe you're an athlete and you lose a game or something like that, and if you want to go and in your mind, you just go, well, I got fired from that job because it was completely unfair and everybody hated me.
[00:52:05]  Or you lose the game and you go, well, they just got lucky.
[00:52:07]  It's like that might be a little bit easier on you, right?
[00:52:11]  That might be like a defense mechanism.
[00:52:13]  It might make it a little bit easier to get to sleep that night.
[00:52:16]  But even though the other route is harder, I think we could all see that it's also beneficial on a lot of levels.
[00:52:24]  Like if you're an athlete and you lose a game and you just go, oh, they got lucky.
[00:52:27]  You don't really grow from that.
[00:52:28]  But if you're an athlete and you lose a game and you go, I did X, Y, and Z wrong, then maybe you can try to improve those areas.
[00:52:34]  You can at least address those areas, right?
[00:52:37]  So there's a big weakness of the mainstream media and of the political establishment in general.
[00:52:43]  They never take a look at what they did wrong.
[00:52:45]  Well, here's a big part of it.
[00:52:47]  And there's many different parts of it, but here's a very, very big part of it.
[00:52:51]  Donald Trump spoke to what people care about.
[00:52:56]  And the media and the Democrats did not.
[00:53:00]  They just straight up didn't.
[00:53:02]  So they would talk about how offensive Donald Trump is and, you know, grab him by the pussy tapes and like all this like ridiculous shit.
[00:53:11]  And what was Trump laser focused on?
[00:53:14]  I'm going to bring your jobs back.
[00:53:17]  Like he was talking to people about shit that they actually cared about.
[00:53:21]  Now, he was a fucking con man then.
[00:53:23]  He's a con man now.
[00:53:24]  Donald Trump doesn't fucking know.
[00:53:25]  Like he doesn't have any great plans for all this shit.
[00:53:28]  And I actually, you know, I think it's kind of ridiculous how much faith a lot of the pro-Trump people have in Donald Trump.
[00:53:34]  And to see these people spin these arguments, you know, like he's playing 4D chess every time he does something stupid.
[00:53:40]  Like, yeah, okay.
[00:53:42]  But you can understand why somebody in fucking, you know, the Rust Belt who's seen their like small town gutted, like is like, well, he's saying he's going to bring our jobs back.
[00:53:52]  I don't know.
[00:53:53]  This guy's a billionaire who's telling me we're going to win.
[00:53:56]  And he cares about me.
[00:53:58]  So he's speaking to issues they care about.
[00:54:00]  And now you have this entire impeachment, you know, fucking craziness.
[00:54:06]  And it's all about something that no one cares about.
[00:54:10]  Like, this is not a real voting issue.
[00:54:12]  What Trump did or didn't say to Ukrainian officials on the phone, what his people said to them when they met, none of this affects your life at all.
[00:54:22]  There's real things going on.
[00:54:24]  There's an opioid epidemic.
[00:54:26]  There's a homelessness epidemic.
[00:54:28]  Well, the country is bankrupt.
[00:54:30]  Obamacare is failing.
[00:54:32]  Like all of these fucking things are going on.
[00:54:34]  This is real in real people's lives.
[00:54:36]  You know, inflation is fucking destroying the country.
[00:54:39]  That's something nobody fucking talks about.
[00:54:41]  But the fucking value of a dollar is nothing compared to what it fucking used to be.
[00:54:45]  This is really just fucking puts tremendous pressure on the working class, the middle class.
[00:54:53]  You know, like, like nobody can afford anything anymore.
[00:54:57]  Like, like, nobody can fucking afford.
[00:55:00]  Young people can't afford to buy a house.
[00:55:03]  What 25-year-old can buy a house today?
[00:55:05]  Well, that's different than it used to be.
[00:55:07]  25-year-olds used to be able to buy a house.
[00:55:10]  So what the fuck's going on in the housing market?
[00:55:12]  That's a real fucking issue that people care about.
[00:55:14]  You got to go into crazy debt to send your kids to college.
[00:55:17]  Kids are going into crazy debt to go to college.
[00:55:19]  Most of them shouldn't even be going to college to begin with.
[00:55:21]  These are real issues, real things that are going on.
[00:55:24]  You know, for all the criticism, I could throw at Bernie Sanders.

=== Richard Spencer Racial Meltdown (11:12) ===

[00:55:28]  At least he talks about real issues.
[00:55:30]  Sure, he's got his dumbass socialist solutions for him, but he talks about real fucking issues.
[00:55:35]  He talks about fucking poor people.
[00:55:37]  He talks about student loan debt.
[00:55:39]  Talks about people.
[00:55:39]  You know what I mean?
[00:55:40]  Like, those are real issues.
[00:55:42]  Whether you like it or not, healthcare, these are real issues.
[00:55:44]  Okay, his fucking plans suck, but at least he's talking about shit.
[00:55:48]  But these, like, the fucking CNN guys, what is this whole article about?
[00:55:53]  This is nothing.
[00:55:54]  No one cares about this.
[00:55:55]  And what you are talking, what you are talking about is a non-issue, and it's complete bullshit.
[00:55:59]  It's like such a stretch.
[00:56:01]  Such a stretch.
[00:56:03]  So anyway, we'll keep talking about this stuff, but we'll see what happens with it.
[00:56:16]  Oh, real quick, I meant to mention this earlier in the show, but I did want to at least, I'm going to be talking about this more over future episodes coming up, and I'm going to try to get him on the podcast.
[00:56:27]  But I got to say, I was very excited that Jacob Hornberger announced that he was running for president on the LP.
[00:56:35]  He's going to be, he got in the race.
[00:56:38]  And I got to tell you, I really, really like this guy.
[00:56:41]  Really like him.
[00:56:43]  Really smart, really principled libertarian.
[00:56:46]  And he's, you know, he doesn't have the biggest name, and he's not the most exciting public speaker.
[00:56:55]  He's a little professorial and a little bit, you know, subdued.
[00:56:58]  But this is a really, really sound guy who's really principled.
[00:57:01]  And I'm excited that he's running.
[00:57:03]  I think he's going to end up having a good shot at getting that nomination, at least out of the people that are running right now.
[00:57:09]  I'm going to try to get him on the podcast going forward.
[00:57:12]  So anyway, thought I'd mention that.
[00:57:14]  Okay.
[00:57:15]  Moving on.
[00:57:16]  Let's have a little bit of fun.
[00:57:18]  So I've gotten a lot of people who have asked me to comment on this next clip.
[00:57:27]  I don't know why I get so many tweets and comments about this.
[00:57:32]  I don't know why I've been related to Richard Spencer, but I had him on the podcast once.
[00:57:39]  We had a fairly interesting conversation back in, I believe it was 2017.
[00:57:45]  And yeah, so there's a new video of Richard Spencer or audio of Richard Spencer that came out that evidently, from what I've been told, was leaked by Milo Yiannopoulos, by our guy Milo.
[00:58:02]  Milo, who I've actually met.
[00:58:04]  Richard Spencer just Skyped in to the podcast.
[00:58:08]  But so both people that I've had conversations with before.
[00:58:13]  And so there's some alt-right drama going on here.
[00:58:16]  So Richard Spencer, I guess after Charlottesville, this was audio that was recorded of him having a bit of a meltdown, let's say.
[00:58:28]  So let's listen to this thing.
[00:58:30]  We are coming back here like a fucking hundred times.
[00:58:34]  I am so mad.
[00:58:35]  I am so fucking mad at these people.
[00:58:38]  They don't do this to fucking me.
[00:58:40]  We're going to fucking ritualistically humiliate them.
[00:58:44]  That's right.
[00:58:46]  I am coming back here every fucking weekend if I have to.
[00:58:49]  Like this is never over.
[00:58:51]  I win.
[00:58:52]  They fucking lose.
[00:58:54]  That's how the world fucking works.
[00:58:56]  Little fucking kites.
[00:58:57]  They get ruled by people like me.
[00:58:59]  Little fucking octaroons.
[00:59:02]  That was rough.
[00:59:29]  Man, that was rough.
[00:59:31]  That is not a good look.
[00:59:33]  Not a good look for old Richie Spence.
[00:59:37]  Man, I don't know what to say.
[00:59:40]  That was a real meltdown, a real temper tantrum.
[00:59:44]  I couldn't believe it.
[00:59:44]  It literally sounds like a four-year-old having a temper tantrum when he's screaming, I fucking win and all that shit.
[00:59:51]  I win, you lose.
[00:59:52]  He screams, we're going to humiliate them, and his voice cracks in the middle of it.
[00:59:55]  It was just, oof, that's, that's really embarrassing.
[00:59:59]  And, uh, oof, I don't know what to say.
[01:00:01]  Um, what did he call the oxaroons?
[01:00:05]  What was that?
[01:00:06]  Is that what am I saying it right?
[01:00:07]  Octoroon.
[01:00:08]  Octaroon.
[01:00:09]  Are we supposed to know what that means?
[01:00:11]  Is octorune a racial slur?
[01:00:13]  It sounds like a racial slur that my great-grandpappy might have used at one point.
[01:00:19]  This neighborhood hasn't been the same since the octoroones started moving in.
[01:00:24]  A person who is one-eighth black by descent.
[01:00:27]  One-eighth black?
[01:00:29]  That's an octaroon?
[01:00:30]  Oh, I get it now.
[01:00:31]  Octoroon.
[01:00:32]  Okay.
[01:00:32]  Yeah.
[01:00:34]  So, okay.
[01:00:34]  Octoroon.
[01:00:36]  I don't get the rune part.
[01:00:37]  I get the octa.
[01:00:38]  So one-eighth black.
[01:00:40]  Oh, Richard Spencer, come on.
[01:00:41]  You're going to have to run some 23andMes on that Charlottesville rally.
[01:00:44]  I bet you got a few people coming close to an eighth.
[01:00:48]  Anyway, look, I mean, obviously, this is embarrassing.
[01:00:51]  I'm sure Richard Spencer is not thrilled to have that out there.
[01:00:54]  And, you know, that's weird.
[01:00:58]  I mean, you know, I suppose in his defense, what happened at Charlottesville was pretty fucked up.
[01:01:04]  I mean, you know, they all got fucking like maced and tased.
[01:01:07]  Not tased, but like maced and fucking shit thrown at them.
[01:01:10]  The cops led him into that thing.
[01:01:12]  I think they might have, Richard Spencer might have been arrested or detained after it.
[01:01:16]  And, you know, their event that they planned out didn't get to happen.
[01:01:19]  And it was a whole scene.
[01:01:20]  So I'm sure we've been through quite a thing.
[01:01:23]  But anyway, so I've been getting a whole like response from people about this, about they're like, like as if this was some revelation.
[01:01:30]  I mean, all this is, is like, this is gayness.
[01:01:37]  I don't know what to tell you.
[01:01:38]  Every inch of this is just gay.
[01:01:40]  It's Milo, this gay dude, who's releasing this tape by Richard Spencer, this not gay dude, and putting this tape out there to humiliate him because he's having a very childish meltdown and saying these like incredibly cringy, embarrassing things about how he wins.
[01:01:58]  And it's really kind of sad at the end of the day because you're like, he's making these predictions.
[01:02:02]  This is back in 2017, right?
[01:02:05]  So he's like, we're going to come back.
[01:02:06]  I win, you lose.
[01:02:08]  And of course, none of this bears out.
[01:02:10]  They don't come back.
[01:02:11]  He doesn't win.
[01:02:12]  None of this happens.
[01:02:14]  He's not enslaving anybody.
[01:02:16]  I don't know.
[01:02:16]  But so all these people have these reactions.
[01:02:18]  They're like tweeting at me because I had the guy on my podcast once.
[01:02:22]  So they're all tweeting at me.
[01:02:24]  And like, you know, I don't know what to say.
[01:02:25]  Like, I thought it was an interesting conversation that I had with Richard Spencer.
[01:02:29]  I've heard him say some things that I thought were like, I think he's a fairly intelligent guy who I disagree with on a lot of shit.
[01:02:35]  I mean, what else is fucking new?
[01:02:37]  I love people too.
[01:02:39]  Like, I've seen so many people on the internet who are like, like, Richard Spencer's a fucking idiot.
[01:02:44]  And it's like, who are probably 10 times dumber than Richard Spencer, but they say that.
[01:02:50]  It's like, I don't know.
[01:02:51]  Go discuss history with Richard Spencer.
[01:02:52]  I bet he knows way more than you do.
[01:02:54]  It's just that you think he's racist, so you don't like him.
[01:02:57]  But idiot and person I don't like aren't the same thing.
[01:03:01]  Just like person I don't like and Nazi aren't the same thing.
[01:03:04]  These aren't all the same.
[01:03:05]  They're not all interchangeable terms.
[01:03:07]  But that's what everyone, they all call Richard Spencer a Nazi.
[01:03:10]  And they all go, well, you talked to him in 2017.
[01:03:13]  So, you know, it's like all these tweets, like, what do you think now?
[01:03:17]  It's like, I don't know.
[01:03:18]  I don't really think anything differently than I thought before.
[01:03:22]  You know, if you had told me that in private, Richard Spencer throws out some racial slurs when he's pissed off, I wouldn't have been shocked by that.
[01:03:31]  You know what might shock you?
[01:03:33]  A lot of people throw out some racial slurs when they're pissed off.
[01:03:35]  A lot more people than just Richard Spencer.
[01:03:37]  He ain't the only one.
[01:03:40]  I know a whole bunch of people have thrown out some racial slurs when they're pissed off, and I bet you do too.
[01:03:45]  So anyway, yeah.
[01:03:47]  So, okay.
[01:03:48]  And then one guy tweeted at me, and I don't know why I thought this was so funny, but he goes, he goes, you still think it's not okay to punch Richard Spencer?
[01:03:55]  And I was like, why would that change?
[01:03:58]  Why would you punch somebody who's having a meltdown?
[01:04:01]  You just punch someone in the middle of an embarrassing temper tantrum?
[01:04:05]  Like, what good would that do?
[01:04:07]  Isn't it so obvious with this gayness?
[01:04:09]  Like, what's the appropriate reaction to this?
[01:04:11]  I don't know, to laugh at it and then move on with your life?
[01:04:15]  Like I said, the idea of punching Richard Spencer, it's like if you like, first of all, obviously, the obvious thing is that, no, like in a civilized society, it's not okay to punch people who say things you don't like.
[01:04:28]  All right?
[01:04:28]  You can't just go around punching people.
[01:04:30]  That's not okay.
[01:04:32]  Listen, like, I'm not saying I've never punched anyone in my life.
[01:04:36]  I'm saying that wasn't okay for me to do that, right?
[01:04:39]  Like, yeah.
[01:04:40]  Listen, men are men.
[01:04:41]  They get in fights sometimes, but that doesn't, that's different than saying it's okay or it's something that should be celebrated.
[01:04:46]  It's like, no, no, you can't do that.
[01:04:48]  And in fact, there are laws against that, and you might get in trouble if you do it.
[01:04:51]  And that's not bad.
[01:04:55]  But yeah, but you know, it's like if I were to see one of those black Israelites on the street and they're preaching all this stuff about how we're the real Jews and the Jews are fake Satanists and, you know, we're going to take over this country and give it back to the indigenous people or whatever the nonsense they say.
[01:05:11]  And I walked up and punched one of them.
[01:05:14]  I think you'd all be like, whoa, what are you doing?
[01:05:16]  You can't just punch people.
[01:05:17]  I mean, I know he's saying a bunch of crazy shit.
[01:05:19]  And I went, no, It's not just crazy.
[01:05:22]  It's racist.
[01:05:23]  So I punch it.
[01:05:24]  You'd be like, what?
[01:05:24]  Who cares if it was racist?
[01:05:26]  Who cares if it was crazy?
[01:05:27]  Why is it not okay for me to punch this guy?
[01:05:30]  Because this guy is not doing anything to me.
[01:05:32]  He has no effect on me.
[01:05:34]  That he has no power over my life.
[01:05:36]  He can't do anything to you.
[01:05:39]  He can't have any impact on you whatsoever.
[01:05:41]  And yet they're all so like, this is all just in your head, man.
[01:05:45]  This is all in your head.
[01:05:47]  One of the people were tweeting at me and I said at one point, I go, you realize he didn't do any of this, right?
[01:05:52]  Like, he's threatening to destroy a town and enslave people.
[01:05:56]  I go, so how did that work out?
[01:05:57]  How's the town doing?
[01:05:59]  How are you doing?
[01:06:00]  Like, listen, the town's fine.
[01:06:01]  You're fine.
[01:06:02]  Nobody's been enslaved by Richard Spencer.
[01:06:04]  Everything's okay.
[01:06:07]  All that being said, there is something about me that I find it a little bit shitty to put out a video of somebody being recorded when they're having a meltdown like this.
[01:06:17]  I mean, what does it accomplish?
[01:06:19]  You're just trying to humiliate the guy, you know.
[01:06:22]  Anyway, there.
[01:06:25]  I addressed it.
[01:06:25]  That's all I have to say about it.
[01:06:27]  But a lot of people asked me about it.
[01:06:28]  So there you go.
[01:06:29]  Yeah, I had Richard Spencer on the podcast.
[01:06:31]  I'd probably have him on again.
[01:06:32]  I'd be down to talk to him.
[01:06:34]  Anyway, that's the show for today.
[01:06:37]  We will be back on Friday with a brand new episode.
[01:06:40]  Thanks for listening.
[01:06:41]  Peace.