Part Of The Problem - Dave Smith - Baghdadi Dead, Nothing Changes
Aired: 2019-10-29
Duration: 01:36:40


=== Last Chance for Mafia Shirts (03:46) ===

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[00:00:49]  We need to roll back the state.
[00:00:51]  We spy on all of our own citizens.
[00:00:53]  Our prisons are flooded with nonviolent drug offenders.
[00:00:57]  If you want to know who America's next enemy is, look at who we're funding right now.
[00:01:02]  Every single one of these problems are a result of government being way too big.
[00:01:07]  You're listening to the problem on the Gas Digital Network.
[00:01:11]  Here's your host, Dave Smith.
[00:01:15]  Hello.
[00:01:17]  Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem.
[00:01:20]  I am Dave Smith, the most consistent motherfucker that you know.
[00:01:25]  And of course, I am joined, as always, by Robbie the Fire Bernstein.
[00:01:28]  He is the king of the cocks.
[00:01:31]  What's up, buddy?
[00:01:32]  You know, just doing stuff for my followers out there.
[00:01:36]  What are you doing?
[00:01:37]  All the cocks out there, you know, they're looking for guidance.
[00:01:40]  And they look to their king.
[00:01:41]  Yeah, well, I'm working on a program for him.
[00:01:43]  Oh, yeah?
[00:01:43]  Yeah.
[00:01:43]  What's that?
[00:01:44]  Some sandwich-related?
[00:01:45]  Well, it's sandwich-related to make sure everything, everyone's well-fred.
[00:01:48]  You don't want to show up to the revolution under underfed.
[00:01:51]  That's not what you want.
[00:01:52]  You want to have the right mutual.
[00:01:53]  Being underfed is what leads to the revolution.
[00:01:55]  Well, we want people.
[00:01:56]  No one's going to have a revolution if they're just sitting around eating sandwiches all day.
[00:01:59]  Well, we want people hungry in spirit, but well-fed enough to do well in battle.
[00:02:03]  Well, that was very poetic, very deep.
[00:02:05]  And this is why you're on the podcast.
[00:02:09]  This is why you got 98 episodes left on the podcast.
[00:02:12]  It's the countdown to exist.
[00:02:14]  Rob Bernstein contract countdown.
[00:02:16]  Can we actually get that in the small corner of the screen?
[00:02:18]  Yeah, but I want it actually break it down by the hours.
[00:02:22]  I want to watch every second take by.
[00:02:24]  Like the debt clock.
[00:02:26]  Yeah, that's kind of right, except it's going down instead of up.
[00:02:29]  Imagine the debt clock ever started going down.
[00:02:31]  Oh, we can dream.
[00:02:33]  We can dream.
[00:02:35]  So it's 500.
[00:02:38]  500 week is over.
[00:02:39]  This is episode 503.
[00:02:42]  Now we're going toward 1,000.
[00:02:44]  That's the new goal.
[00:02:45]  That's the new goal.
[00:02:46]  Okay, I also want to let people know that on Wednesday, our next podcast, my guest will be Joshua Smith, who is running for the chair of the Libertarian Party.
[00:03:02]  A lot of people have been requesting that I have.
[00:03:05]  That's a boring last name.
[00:03:06]  He should work on that.
[00:03:07]  I think it's a pretty cool last name, but whatever.
[00:03:10]  I don't think we really need to sit here and start picking people's names apart.
[00:03:14]  He's a little generic.
[00:03:15]  I mean, if you want to stand out in a field full of people, there's strength in normalcy, though.
[00:03:20]  So, you know, I think, I don't know.
[00:03:22]  I think he's doing a pretty strong name for sure.
[00:03:24]  Make things.
[00:03:25]  Blacksmiths, you know, Smiths.
[00:03:27]  Probably made something.
[00:03:28]  I don't know.
[00:03:29]  All right, whatever.
[00:03:30]  Anyway, Joshua Smith will be on the show on Wednesday, and a lot of people have been requesting that I have him on.
[00:03:35]  Excuse me.
[00:03:36]  So he's going to run.
[00:03:36]  He's trying to take the LP chair away from Nick Sarwalk.
[00:03:40]  So, you know, I know a lot of people, since we had Sarwak on, were hoping that I would have Joshua Smith on.

=== The Football and War Lie (14:40) ===

[00:03:47]  So we will.
[00:03:48]  That will be on Wednesday.
[00:03:50]  It will stream at 6 p.m. Eastern on GastDigitalNetwork.com and then be up for free after that for everybody.
[00:03:58]  So, you know, look for that one.
[00:04:00]  Should be a fun show.
[00:04:01]  I'm excited to talk to Joshua Smith.
[00:04:03]  He's a good dude, very smart guy.
[00:04:04]  And he's been endorsed by the Mises caucus in his race for the LP chair.
[00:04:10]  So, you know, I haven't heard from the king of the caucus yet, but I know that the caucus itself.
[00:04:15]  I got to stir up some fights here because I wasn't aware of this.
[00:04:18]  I mean, you would think they'd bring this to the king.
[00:04:20]  But you're like more of like, I feel like a modern-day monarch.
[00:04:23]  Like, you allow the caucus to make a lot of their own decisions.
[00:04:26]  But theoretically, if you wanted to weigh in and overrule anything, I mean, you are.
[00:04:30]  You're the royalty.
[00:04:31]  That's true.
[00:04:32]  I don't want to be bogged down with these details.
[00:04:33]  Oh, that's right.
[00:04:34]  If I need to step in, I will.
[00:04:36]  But otherwise, I got good people in place.
[00:04:38]  I like what they're doing.
[00:04:39]  All right.
[00:04:39]  See, I knew I could sell it to you in some way.
[00:04:40]  All right.
[00:04:41]  There you go.
[00:04:41]  The endorsement stands.
[00:04:43]  All right.
[00:04:44]  So I guess what we have to talk about to open today's show, it's the big news of the day.
[00:04:54]  And that is that Baghdadi is dead.
[00:05:00]  We got him.
[00:05:01]  The leader of ISIS has been killed in a raid the other day.
[00:05:11]  We were able to find out his locations.
[00:05:14]  They went in to get him.
[00:05:16]  I've heard some conflicting reports about exactly how we got the intelligence.
[00:05:19]  I know the Kurds are claiming that they were responsible.
[00:05:22]  Somebody.
[00:05:22]  And we've gotten way better at torturing.
[00:05:25]  I guess so.
[00:05:25]  We're not going to find out about this for a little while, but waterboarding was nothing because think about how long it took us to find Osama and how many people we had to waterboard.
[00:05:33]  They invented something way better.
[00:05:35]  Yeah.
[00:05:36]  Turns out bribing.
[00:05:38]  Bribery is where we got.
[00:05:40]  Who knows what they did, how they got the information.
[00:05:43]  I'm sure some of this stuff will come out over the next months and years.
[00:05:48]  But yeah, so they got him in, I guess of our dogs chased him into a tunnel.
[00:05:57]  He detonated a suicide vest and killed himself and two or three of his children, which lets you know what type of people these ISIS fellas are.
[00:06:10]  Pretty wild.
[00:06:12]  Anyway, so Baghdadi's dead.
[00:06:14]  Trump is taking a lot of credit for it.
[00:06:16]  Of course, that's being met with various criticism and praise, depending on what media you're listening to.
[00:06:27]  But Baghdadi is dead.
[00:06:29]  That was the head of ISIS.
[00:06:32]  And I don't know.
[00:06:33]  I guess here, I'll give you a couple of my thoughts on it.
[00:06:38]  So the two things that I think about at first, the first thing I think about, and maybe this is my own, you know, mindset, but it's like, okay, so the Islamic State, I mean, in terms of their caliphate, has been pretty much defeated in terms of like the actual territory that they hold.
[00:06:56]  We've now killed the leader.
[00:06:58]  The Kurds have allied up with Assad and are protected by Russia.
[00:07:01]  So the Kurds aren't really in too much jeopardy anymore.
[00:07:04]  And I'm just wondering what the new reason for why we have to stay in Syria.
[00:07:10]  We've got to protect the oil fields.
[00:07:12]  Right.
[00:07:12]  Yeah.
[00:07:12]  That seems to actually be what they're transitioning to.
[00:07:16]  So I don't know.
[00:07:17]  It's just, you know, there'll be a new reason because all of the bullshit reasons keep getting torn away.
[00:07:24]  And it's really, it's something to watch, especially when you've been in there kind of arguing that we should get out of Syria for a long time.
[00:07:35]  And the truth is that the reason we need to stay there, or the reason that they'll say we need to stay there, is actually the same reason that it's always been, but they just don't want to say it, which is that it's all about Iran.
[00:07:49]  That's really what it's been from the beginning.
[00:07:51]  It's the reason why we're in Syria to begin with.
[00:07:53]  It's because the Shiites took over too much power after we overthrew Saddam Hussein and they basically gained greater influence throughout that entire region.
[00:08:03]  It's really all about Iran.
[00:08:04]  It's really all about Russia.
[00:08:06]  But they don't want to come out and say that directly.
[00:08:08]  So there's always something else like, well, it's because Assad's killing his people or maybe it's because of ISIS or maybe it's because of protecting the Kurds or whatever it is.
[00:08:16]  But once all of those reasons get peeled away and you still want to fight this war, it becomes more obvious that this is never really what it was about.
[00:08:26]  And of course, even with Iran and all the hawks on Iran, you would have thought, you know, if you believed the neocon propaganda, the reason why we had to be concerned with Iran was because they were developing a nuclear weapon.
[00:08:44]  And if Iran gets a nuclear weapon, they're already dedicated to wiping Israel off the map.
[00:08:50]  So if they get a nuclear weapon, they're going to use it.
[00:08:52]  And then after the years of predictions that they're three years away, they're five years away, years and years go by.
[00:08:59]  They're not developing a nuclear weapon.
[00:09:00]  Then they ultimately sign an agreement allowing inspections, promising that they're not going to get a nuclear weapon.
[00:09:07]  People aren't even really claiming that Iran has a nuclear weapon or that they're going to get a nuclear weapon now.
[00:09:13]  But then it's like, well, but there were these ships that were attacked.
[00:09:16]  So we have to go to war with Iran.
[00:09:18]  And if the same person who was selling you on this big lie then has that lie peeled away from them and still wants to sell you on that war, it might be a reason to go, you know what?
[00:09:29]  I'm not so sure that this wasn't all bullshit all along.
[00:09:34]  Because, you know, it just seems pretty convenient that as soon as your big reason for needing a war disappears, all of a sudden you have another small reason and we still have to go fight that same fucking war.
[00:09:45]  So anyway, that's my first thought on the whole thing.
[00:09:50]  And after that, I guess it reminds me a lot of Osama bin Laden getting killed.
[00:10:00]  And I'm sure a lot of people have made that connection.
[00:10:03]  I mean, Osama bin Laden was the leader of al-Qaeda.
[00:10:08]  And Baghdadi was the leader of ISIS.
[00:10:13]  And so, you know, Obama got him coincidentally shortly before his re-election effort.
[00:10:19]  And we also get Baghdadi, you know, going into Trump's re-election.
[00:10:23]  You know, who knows?
[00:10:25]  But it makes you wonder, you know, it's like you have this kind of celebration.
[00:10:30]  People are like, yeah, we killed this guy.
[00:10:34]  And it's hard not to ask yourself, like, so what do we get for that?
[00:10:39]  What do we get?
[00:10:40]  I mean, particularly for all the people who will advocate that we stay in Syria.
[00:10:43]  So like, what's the point even?
[00:10:47]  Is the Islamic State over now?
[00:10:49]  Do we get, you know, for all those people when Trump was like, we've defeated ISIS, and then there were a whole bunch of people in the media who were like, it's not true.
[00:10:57]  There's still these ISIS people here.
[00:10:59]  They're still going to inspire attacks around the West or they're still going to attack Europe or they're going to attack the Kurds or whatever the thing is.
[00:11:11]  So now this guy's dead.
[00:11:12]  Does anything change?
[00:11:13]  Does anything change?
[00:11:15]  I remember thinking that quite a bit when Osama bin Laden was killed.
[00:11:21]  Because he was really, I mean, much more so than Baghdadi.
[00:11:25]  You know, Osama bin Laden was the guy who masterminded a terrorist attack that actually went off and, you know, just a few blocks from where we're recording this podcast.
[00:11:35]  And thousands of Americans and New Yorkers, and I'm both, thousands of them were slaughtered by this guy or incinerated, whatever you want to say.
[00:11:46]  And that was kind of a thing that America had their eyes on for a long time was getting Osama bin Laden.
[00:11:52]  George W. Bush did the like, you know, wanted dead or alive Texas, you know, bravado talk, and he never got him, but then Obama did.
[00:12:02]  And then after you get him, you're kind of like, okay, so we got him.
[00:12:06]  So what now?
[00:12:08]  I mean, are we going to repeal that Patriot Act?
[00:12:11]  Are we going to bring a whole bunch of troops home?
[00:12:14]  Are we going to cut the Pentagon budget back to pre, you know, 9-11 levels?
[00:12:19]  And it's like, oh, no, no, no, none of that.
[00:12:21]  Is the Department of Homeland Security getting abolished now?
[00:12:24]  Is are the TSA going to stop groping grandmas and grandpas at the airport?
[00:12:29]  Or is it like, oh, no, no, no, all that's continuing.
[00:12:32]  So what does it mean?
[00:12:33]  What is it worth to get that?
[00:12:34]  What is it worth to get that guy?
[00:12:37]  What do we actually win here?
[00:12:41]  I'm waiting.
[00:12:42]  I mean, somebody let me know.
[00:12:44]  Please point me to what the actual victory is and what actually changes from all of this happening.
[00:12:49]  Because if there's nothing, doesn't it kind of make you wonder what the point is?
[00:12:54]  Right?
[00:12:55]  I mean, if there's no victory for getting the guy, what's the point?
[00:13:02]  To me, that seems like a fair question.
[00:13:04]  Don't fuck with America, Cred.
[00:13:07]  Yeah.
[00:13:08]  Yeah.
[00:13:10]  You know, it's like you think about killing Osama bin Laden and how much Barack Obama spiked the football on that.
[00:13:19]  I mean, they like were so just kind of bragging about it.
[00:13:23]  Osama bin Laden's dead.
[00:13:24]  Hey, for anyone who says we're soft on defense, Osama's dead.
[00:13:28]  Joe Biden used to say, Osama's dead and Detroit's alive.
[00:13:31]  That was like his slogan.
[00:13:33]  Of course, Detroit filed bankruptcy shortly after.
[00:13:36]  But you're like, okay, but if nothing changes, then who cares?
[00:13:41]  I mean, what are we actually winning?
[00:13:42]  Do we get some of our freedom back?
[00:13:44]  Do my taxes get lowered?
[00:13:45]  Like, is there less money that I have to pay on these crazy wars?
[00:13:48]  No, no, all of that's the same.
[00:13:50]  We're still in Afghanistan fighting who knows what.
[00:13:53]  Yeah, that's right.
[00:13:54]  And so, you know, what's the point?
[00:13:58]  What's the point of all of this?
[00:14:00]  You know, I will say I did actually kind of like Donald Trump's.
[00:14:06]  It's, you know, there's something interesting about Donald Trump when there's a, you know, the big criticism of Donald Trump all the time is that he's not presidential, which, of course, I could care less about.
[00:14:18]  But there's a, you know, there's really something to that.
[00:14:22]  He is certainly not presidential in the way other presidents have been, I guess, which would be the definition of not presidential.
[00:14:29]  Although I guess he is the president now, so I guess that's presidential now.
[00:14:33]  Like, what does that even mean?
[00:14:35]  But it was really weird to see his speech.
[00:14:38]  Did you watch any of that?
[00:14:39]  It's just, it's Trump.
[00:14:41]  It's not the way you would expect a president to talk when they got this guy.
[00:14:44]  And Trump really went out of his way to really shit on this guy and how he died.
[00:14:51]  And he was like, he died afraid, like a dog, whimpering, crying, all that stuff.
[00:14:57]  And I got to say, I kind of like that.
[00:14:59]  There was something about it that I kind of like.
[00:15:01]  I like the idea that, and this is true just for criminals across the board.
[00:15:08]  I like the idea of downplaying who they were and basically being like, yeah, this guy was a bitch and he died.
[00:15:13]  You know, I don't like the spiking the football thing that Trump also did.
[00:15:16]  I don't like that.
[00:15:17]  I don't think that even, you know, like anytime you kill somebody, even if you think you're doing it for a just reason, I don't think the appropriate civilized adult response is like to brag about it.
[00:15:33]  You know what I mean?
[00:15:33]  Like, I don't, like, even if you, if, like, what happened here is we killed a very bad guy who deserved to die.
[00:15:41]  Like, he legitimately, you know, I'm happy he's dead.
[00:15:45]  But children were taken out with him.
[00:15:47]  I believe a dog died in the process.
[00:15:50]  It's, you know, there's nothing like to be happy about here.
[00:15:54]  It's a somber event, no matter how you feel about the whole thing.
[00:15:58]  And I thought that was true with Osama bin Laden too.
[00:16:01]  So I don't like the like spiking the football.
[00:16:02]  I didn't like when Obama does it.
[00:16:04]  I don't like when Trump does it.
[00:16:06]  But I do kind of like the idea of describing this guy as a fucking criminal, and that's what he is.
[00:16:13]  I hate the kind of building up of people.
[00:16:15]  You know what I mean?
[00:16:16]  Like, because if when you build them up, I think in some ways you incentivize more people to, you know, kind of look at it as like he's a martyr.
[00:16:24]  This is glorious.
[00:16:25]  And there's no reason to do that.
[00:16:27]  And I kind of like, you know, the interesting thing is that.
[00:16:32]  So if you watch Trump, and look, I'm not trying to give Trump any passes here.
[00:16:36]  Trump is not ending wars.
[00:16:38]  He shouldn't be like, he shouldn't be praised.
[00:16:40]  You know, there's a tough position that we find ourselves in where Trump will constantly say, I'm going to end this war.
[00:16:47]  We're ending the forever wars.
[00:16:49]  We're pulling troops out of here.
[00:16:50]  And then the entire media will trash him.
[00:16:52]  The Democrat and Republican establishment will trash him for how reckless it is to end these wars.
[00:16:58]  And of course, it's impossible.
[00:16:59]  And I wouldn't ever want to ignore that and be like, yeah, they're crazy for trashing him for ending wars that we've been in forever that have been disasters.
[00:17:08]  But then also at the same time, Trump is not ending any of these wars.
[00:17:11]  He's actually sending more troops into Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan.
[00:17:16]  So I'm not, he doesn't deserve any credit.
[00:17:19]  He's not doing what he's saying he's going to do and what he was elected to do.
[00:17:22]  So you have to kind of bash both of them at the same time.
[00:17:26]  But Trump does at least seem to, at least rhetorically, what he's what he's talking about is that I want to end these wars.
[00:17:33]  And it's interesting to like juxtapose how he describes the terrorists versus how, say, George W. Bush and Dick Cheney would describe them when they wanted to get into wars.
[00:17:46]  And so Donald Trump kind of plays him down.
[00:17:49]  Like Donald Trump's kind of like, look, they've been completely defeated.
[00:17:52]  This guy's a bitch.
[00:17:53]  There's nothing to see here.
[00:17:54]  Like, he died like a bitch.
[00:17:55]  What a coward.
[00:17:56]  You know, for like, fuck these guys.
[00:17:59]  And I got to say, I kind of like that better than the George W. Bush, Dick Cheney thing where they would always build them up.
[00:18:06]  I mean, do you remember?
[00:18:07]  Like, after 9-11, they claimed that there were thousands of al-Qaeda sleeper cells located in the United States.
[00:18:16]  This is a claim that is just never borne out.
[00:18:18]  It was complete bullshit.
[00:18:19]  But right after 9-11, when people are straight up traumatized and terrified, they'd be like, by the way, they're all over.
[00:18:26]  They're all over the country.

=== Luring America into Conflict (08:59) ===

[00:18:28]  And that's how you get people to go, like, oh, okay.
[00:18:30]  Well, then do whatever the fuck you need to do.
[00:18:32]  Create the Department of Homeland Security.
[00:18:33]  Start groping fucking children at the airport.
[00:18:35]  Like, whatever.
[00:18:36]  Whatever you got to do.
[00:18:37]  Trump's thing is like very the opposite.
[00:18:39]  It's like, yeah, he was a coward.
[00:18:41]  There's nothing really to be scared of here.
[00:18:42]  This guy was a bitch.
[00:18:44]  And ISIS has been defeated.
[00:18:48]  You know.
[00:18:49]  So anyway, I don't know.
[00:18:52]  It's interesting.
[00:18:53]  Baghdadi was an interesting guy.
[00:18:57]  He was an evil person, that's for sure.
[00:19:00]  He was also a guy who kind of represented the split off of ISIS from Al-Qaeda, from al-Nusra.
[00:19:09]  And, you know, like we've talked about many times before, all of these things, it's like it's amazing that people still haven't really made the connection of blowback from American foreign policy to the problems that we're dealing with right now.
[00:19:27]  But this was a guy who, so, um, for so, obviously, al-Qaeda to begin with was an organization who got their who, you know, earned their chops fighting in Afghanistan against the Soviet Union in 1980.
[00:19:48]  And there's some dispute.
[00:19:50]  It's not exactly clear when America started arming and training and funding what was the Mujahideen in Afghanistan.
[00:20:00]  And, you know, there's been, I think it was Zbigniew Brzezinski who actually claimed in his memoirs that it was in 1979.
[00:20:09]  So basically his claim, and he was bragging about this at the time, that he was like, you know, everybody thinks that the Soviet Union invaded in 1980 and then we started arming the Mujahideen, but actually we started arming them beforehand and we were attempting to lure the Soviet Union in there because the idea was that they needed their own Vietnam.
[00:20:30]  So we had seen the damage that Vietnam did to our country, both economically, how it bled us dry, and also just how it decimated our military forces.
[00:20:40]  And I think even more important to that, just the effect it had on the country, how much it just demoralized and tore apart the culture of our country.
[00:20:48]  And we were like, yeah, we need to give the Soviet Union their own Vietnam.
[00:20:53]  And, you know, too bad.
[00:20:56]  Sorry you happen to be in Afghanistan, but that's the Vietnam now.
[00:21:00]  So anyway, we very specifically, I want to say we, I mean the United States federal government, very specifically trained what became al-Qaeda on how to lure a superpower into an unwinnable conflict and bleed them dry.
[00:21:18]  This was the exact strategy that they were using against the United States.
[00:21:22]  What was in it for Al-Qaeda then?
[00:21:25]  Oh, they're fighting off an invading force.
[00:21:30]  Oh, so they didn't provoke it.
[00:21:31]  Russia was already in Afghanistan.
[00:21:32]  Well, what they were saying is that there were, you know, this whole thing is kind of gray and debatable.
[00:21:37]  But once, I mean, Russia invaded Afghanistan, it was an obvious, you know, it was like fighting off a fucking, you know, these are a bunch of fucking Muslim fanatics and there's fucking these godless commies invading.
[00:21:48]  So they're going to fucking take your shit, fight them off, you know?
[00:21:53]  And they did.
[00:21:54]  And they fought and they won.
[00:21:56]  And it certainly, I mean, I don't think it's the factor that brought communism down, but it certainly sped it up, you know?
[00:22:04]  And it was a disaster for the Soviet Union.
[00:22:07]  No question about it.
[00:22:07]  I mean, they sent in something like 500,000 troops at one point and took huge losses and eventually retreated in defeat, the way many have in Afghanistan, the way we eventually will, but it might take a while.
[00:22:22]  And this was, we really created a monster that we, you know, would come back to get us.
[00:22:30]  And so, you know, there was a al-Qaeda, these groups were basically made up of Saudi and Egyptian, you know, dissidents who hated these governments.
[00:22:42]  And America propped up these dictators in Saudi Arabia and Egypt for years and years after that.
[00:22:49]  And they didn't like that.
[00:22:50]  They grew to resent us.
[00:22:51]  I mean, if you listen to Osama bin Laden, I'm sure he was also just like a crazy, horrible person.
[00:22:57]  But if you listen to the reasons he gave, it was things like, you know, the wars in Iraq, George H.W. Bush, the sanctions after that, the propping up of the Saudis, troops, American troops in Saudi Arabia, which is a big deal to those people.
[00:23:14]  And anyway, so they grew to see America as the far enemy.
[00:23:19]  And this was al-Qaeda's plan ultimately, was to use the same tactics.
[00:23:24]  It was the plan of al-Qaeda expressly, you know, they made it very clear.
[00:23:30]  Their plan was to lure America into a war.
[00:23:34]  Like, obviously, they knew that they couldn't defeat America militarily, but they could lure America.
[00:23:40]  They could provoke a response from America that would get us into these wars where we would defeat ourselves, where we would bankrupt ourselves, bleed ourselves dry, take losses.
[00:23:49]  You know, occupations never work.
[00:23:51]  We will go and occupy these countries.
[00:23:53]  And they could defeat us that way.
[00:23:54]  It's like Looney Tunes.
[00:23:55]  You keep blowing up mountains and then they're in a different cave every time.
[00:23:59]  It is.
[00:23:59]  Yes.
[00:23:59]  It's everything we learn from Looney Tunes.
[00:24:02]  Just like Bugs Bunny taught us.
[00:24:03]  Dress up like a chick.
[00:24:05]  Everyone wants to fuck you.
[00:24:07]  Remember that?
[00:24:07]  Remember how Bugs Bunny could just throw on a dress and all of a sudden all these grown men wanted to fuck this rabbit because they thought it was a chick rabbit all of a sudden?
[00:24:14]  Anyway, weird cartoon.
[00:24:17]  So they, you know, and this was their plan and it was actually, you know, in many ways working very well for them.
[00:24:24]  And when they, you know, there was no al-Qaeda in Iraq until Saddam was toppled.
[00:24:32]  And then Al-Qaeda sent all their people in there and they started, you know, recruiting people.
[00:24:36]  And the American, you know, the Americans were there as the occupying force.
[00:24:40]  That was the place to go get them.
[00:24:41]  There were also a lot of pissed off Sunni Muslims because their leader, Saddam, had been overthrown and the Shiites were being dicks to them.
[00:24:48]  So it was like, here, let's go.
[00:24:49]  Let's fight in this war.
[00:24:50]  And Baghdadi was one of the guys who joined.
[00:24:55]  And he was, he's an interesting story.
[00:24:57]  You know, I saw one report that said that his brother was in Saddam's army and had been killed in the Persian Gulf War.
[00:25:07]  So in the first war that George H.W. Bush fought in Iraq.
[00:25:11]  But either way, I mean, you'd got to think, right?
[00:25:13]  Like, I don't know how anyone, if you look at, you know, somebody who joins Al-Nusra, who joins al-Qaeda in Iraq in, you know, 2000, you know, anywhere post-2003, and think, well, why does this guy, why is he ready to take up arms against America?
[00:25:32]  Why does he hate us?
[00:25:33]  I mean, to completely remove that from blowback seems insane to me.
[00:25:38]  I mean, you know, well, why?
[00:25:40]  I mean, I don't know.
[00:25:41]  America at that point, through war and sanctions, was responsible for, you know, hundreds of thousands of deaths in Iraq.
[00:25:48]  Not to mention just, you know, how many people were displaced or how much poverty had been caused or, you know, any of that shit.
[00:25:56]  And they were already far poorer than us to begin with.
[00:25:58]  But, you know, just this country had been fucked up by Iraq.
[00:26:01]  They also had, there was, you know, also the Iraq-Iran war around the same time we were talking about that Soviets invaded Afghanistan, where I think something like a million people were killed in that war.
[00:26:13]  And, you know, America was heavily involved in funding that war as well.
[00:26:17]  And so, you know, it's like American intervention in this part of the world had been, you know, that like Iraq from, say, 1980 to 2003.
[00:26:27]  If you were looking for a place where America had been intervening, that might be the capital.
[00:26:31]  I mean, it was certainly up there.
[00:26:34]  So Baghdadi joined up with the Al-Qaeda fighters.
[00:26:37]  And ultimately, in, what was it, 2013, 2014, something like that, he ended up splitting and forming ISIS.
[00:26:44]  And ISIS was, you know, they got a lot of fucking attention because they were like, they were even fucking crazier than al-Qaeda.
[00:26:58]  Like, more or less, you know, ISIS, their plan was to form this Islamic state, which I think the al-Qaeda idea was like, well, no, no, no, we got to bleed America dry first.
[00:27:12]  We got to destroy the foreign enemy, get rid of them.
[00:27:15]  Then we can overthrow these governments here and form an Islamic state.
[00:27:18]  And al-Zahiri, I know, was like not happy with Baghdadi.
[00:27:23]  Like he was like, this is, no, you're like, I think he ordered him not to.
[00:27:26]  And he was like, fuck you.

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[00:27:27]  I don't take orders from you.
[00:27:28]  Bailed on the whole al-Qaeda.
[00:27:30]  Of course, al-Zahiri was, he took over after bin Laden as the head of al-Qaeda.
[00:27:34]  And then this is what formed ISIS.
[00:27:38]  And this was in the process.
[00:27:41]  This is after had already, America had already started supporting the Sunni jihadists in Syria to put pressure on Bashar al-Assad.
[00:27:51]  So everything about this just has American intervention written all over it.
[00:27:54]  I mean, killing Baghdadi, it's very much the same as with Osama bin Laden, although a much shorter timeframe.
[00:28:01]  We're talking like from 2012 to 2019, not from 1980 to 2000, you know, 11 or whatever.
[00:28:11]  This is a very short timeframe.
[00:28:13]  It's like, yeah, the guy who we were just like, we were just funding, just sending arms to, now we kill him and it's this big celebration.
[00:28:19]  And it really does make you wonder, like, well, who the fuck are we funding now?
[00:28:24]  Like, what are we doing over there?
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[00:29:55]  Anyway, he's dead.
[00:29:59]  And so, okay, what do we got?
[00:30:02]  What does this change?
[00:30:04]  Because you know for a fucking fact.
[00:30:07]  And this is what's so crazy about these things.

=== Not One Reason to Stay (14:10) ===

[00:30:08]  You know for a fucking fact that not one of these people who's getting up in the media and saying we have to stay in Syria.
[00:30:16]  Not one of them goes, oh, all right, we got Baghdadi.
[00:30:19]  So, okay, maybe we can leave now.
[00:30:22]  Like, I would respect him more.
[00:30:24]  I would entertain the idea that any of them are like honest actors or know what the fuck they're talking about.
[00:30:29]  If ever once there was one thing where you went, oh, okay, I guess we can, I guess we could leave now.
[00:30:34]  Like, imagine, imagine, you know, you saw somebody like, let's say, like, a Benjamin Netanyahu supporter who, like, you know, around the year 2000, when Benjamin Netanyahu is like, Iran is three years away from developing a nuclear weapon.
[00:30:53]  And then around 2008, they went like, hey, you know what?
[00:30:57]  I guess we were wrong about that.
[00:30:59]  Like, I guess they're not that close to developing a nuclear weapon.
[00:31:02]  It's fine.
[00:31:03]  Let's tone this down.
[00:31:05]  Why are there so few examples of that if these are honest, informed people?
[00:31:09]  Is there any example?
[00:31:11]  You know, Bashar al-Assad is gassing his own people, so we have to have regime change there.
[00:31:15]  Go, well, regime change isn't happening.
[00:31:16]  Goes, okay, well, then let's come home.
[00:31:18]  I mean, if we're not doing that, then let's come home.
[00:31:20]  That same person is like, well, we have to protect the Kurds.
[00:31:23]  Like, what?
[00:31:25]  Now you have some whole new reason that just happens to justify the same war that you wanted five minutes ago?
[00:31:31]  Seems a little bit strange to me.
[00:31:34]  Like, Also, all those people who were worried about Iran getting a nuclear weapon, shouldn't they have been really excited about the Obama deal that he reached with them?
[00:31:43]  It's like, oh, okay, we're making a deal with them.
[00:31:45]  So now they're not going to develop a nuclear weapon.
[00:31:47]  All right.
[00:31:51]  The same people who say, you know, like, what was it?
[00:31:54]  I remember when, you know, so when Baghdadi first started ISIS and the goal, at least from the point of view of the CIA and Saudi Arabia and Turkey and Israel, was that they were going to force Bashar al-Assad to step down or at least force him to make a deal.
[00:32:15]  And then they went and invaded Western Iraq, which was wide open.
[00:32:20]  And so they went and invaded Western Iraq and started taking stockpiled American military.
[00:32:24]  And we were like, holy shit, this is making us look really bad.
[00:32:27]  They're beheading American journalists and shit like that.
[00:32:29]  And we were like, wow, this is really fucking brutal.
[00:32:32]  And that was like, that was not what the plan was supposed to be.
[00:32:35]  Like, what the fuck are you guys doing?
[00:32:36]  And the craziest part from what I remember is that the best source of revenue from all that stuff, it wasn't all the stolen money.
[00:32:42]  It wasn't the stolen arms.
[00:32:44]  It wasn't the oil fields.
[00:32:45]  Taxes.
[00:32:46]  Yeah.
[00:32:47]  Yeah, that was funny to see like newspapers have to report on the fact, like, oh, now they got real revenue coming in.
[00:32:52]  And then you realize that that's where the real money, that's business right there.
[00:32:55]  Yep.
[00:32:55]  When you can form a government and start taxing people.
[00:32:57]  That's the ultimate level of business.
[00:32:59]  I remember Obama said about the Islamic State where he said, he said they're not Islamic, nor are they a state.
[00:33:07]  And he was like, no religion would condone killing people and no state would kill and rob from people and all this stuff.
[00:33:16]  And you were like, I think that's exactly what makes them a religion and a state.
[00:33:20]  They're the classic example of both.
[00:33:22]  A particularly brutal one.
[00:33:24]  How do you think they decide which team gets, you think like Delta Force complains to someone like, the SEALs got to kill the last one?
[00:33:31]  It's our turn.
[00:33:32]  We've just been training all this time.
[00:33:33]  You keep giving the good missions to them.
[00:33:35]  I don't know.
[00:33:36]  I am not privy to this information, but that would be interesting.
[00:33:39]  I also saw the two other things that were kind of fun to me.
[00:33:43]  One is Adam Schiff.
[00:33:44]  Did you see he was on the news kind of being like, what they did was great, but they should have consulted with us.
[00:33:49]  So it was wrong that they did it, but it was cool that they did it.
[00:33:51]  That was kind of fun.
[00:33:52]  Yeah.
[00:33:53]  And then I also saw some newspaper articles.
[00:33:56]  Because firstly, you know, they made a whole big stink that Trump was leaving.
[00:33:59]  And now he's putting troops back into guard the oil fields.
[00:34:02]  And then he went on this mission.
[00:34:03]  But I serve some people.
[00:34:05]  I guess as far as missions go, this one was pretty successful.
[00:34:08]  But people were like, it would have been more successful if he never had taken out those troops.
[00:34:11]  Like, you wouldn't believe all the logistics that were in the works that he undermined by pulling them out.
[00:34:16]  It's like, so much baloney.
[00:34:18]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:34:19]  Well, they just can't admit that Trump did anything good, especially when they're in the middle of trying to push an impeachment.
[00:34:26]  And Donald Trump will brag about it.
[00:34:29]  It's really, really just stupid and horrible on all sides.
[00:34:33]  But, you know, a bad person is dead.
[00:34:36]  So at least there's that.
[00:34:38]  It's going to be all over the, you know, I'm making America safe.
[00:34:42]  I took that guy out.
[00:34:43]  No more ISIS.
[00:34:44]  Oh, yeah, for sure.
[00:34:45]  No, it's definitely a talking point that Donald Trump will run on.
[00:34:49]  And, you know, we'll see.
[00:34:52]  I guess it all depends on who he's running against.
[00:34:57]  You know, right now.
[00:34:58]  Pete?
[00:34:58]  Pete's pulling ahead.
[00:35:00]  Is he?
[00:35:00]  I don't know.
[00:35:01]  I think I saw one headline of that.
[00:35:03]  Well, let me see.
[00:35:05]  What the latest.
[00:35:07]  He does come across the most reasonable in most of these debates.
[00:35:11]  In some ways, he does come across.
[00:35:15]  He's good at the debate performance stuff.
[00:35:18]  I just don't think...
[00:35:20]  The thing that Mayor Pete Buttstuff has working against him is that there's no look, there's no reason for being the raison d'être, as the French call it.
[00:35:35]  If you want to really fag things up a little bit, what was that word?
[00:35:38]  Again, raison d'être, a reason for being okay.
[00:35:43]  So here's the thing.
[00:35:44]  Right, if you look at, let's just say, a lot of uh, a lot of different candidates um, who has a reason for being, a reason for running for president?
[00:35:57]  Uh, so look at say um Bernie, Bernie Sanders.
[00:36:04]  There's a reason, there's a reason for being there.
[00:36:06]  Well, it's because income inequality is a moral issue and income inequality is out of control and we live in a country where, you know, we have billionaires and then we have poor people and that's just immoral and we should have free health care and student loans should be abolished.
[00:36:22]  There's his fucking reason.
[00:36:23]  He's got a reason.
[00:36:24]  Um, the reason that Elizabeth Warren is running?
[00:36:29]  Basically the same thing.
[00:36:30]  Um, the reason why Tulsi Gabbard is running, she wants to end these regime change wars.
[00:36:36]  Okay, you say the reason why Ron Paul was running, it's because we've drifted away from liberty.
[00:36:41]  We need to end these wars, cut the size of government, like all these things.
[00:36:44]  You say the reason why Donald Trump ran is to make America great again.
[00:36:48]  We don't win anymore and we need to win.
[00:36:49]  Like, at least you have a reason.
[00:36:51]  The problem with you know what's Joe Biden's reason?
[00:36:56]  We have to defeat Trump.
[00:36:58]  Yeah, it's really not much of a reason.
[00:37:02]  You don't really have anything.
[00:37:03]  The, the establishment people very rarely actually have a reason that they can put forward.
[00:37:09]  Kamala Harris, what's her reason for running?
[00:37:11]  Why should it be you, Kamala Harris?
[00:37:13]  Like i'm black, like what does she have?
[00:37:17]  I'm a black woman.
[00:37:19]  Yeah now, this is what mayor Pete Buttstuff fails at also.
[00:37:24]  What's your reason?
[00:37:25]  What's your reason for running?
[00:37:27]  It's like I don't know, I guess defeat Trump.
[00:37:31]  You know, it's like there's really nothing there and that's that makes it a lot tougher.
[00:37:37]  Um to it makes it tough if you can't at least sell one of the reasons.
[00:37:43]  I, even Barack Obama, had his reasons.
[00:37:46]  I mean they, you know, turned out to be bullshit, but he um all block.
[00:37:51]  Well, but it was like you know, it was ending wars.
[00:37:54]  It was, you know, getting rid of corruption and government and kind of undoing the George W Bush administration excesses and all that stuff.
[00:38:02]  So he, it just seems like I.
[00:38:05]  I just I don't know how much mayor Pete is actually resonating with anyone and?
[00:38:10]  Um okay, so let me just see in the last, in the latest, uh latest polls.
[00:38:16]  Well, that's south Carolina.
[00:38:17]  Let's look at the national polls.
[00:38:21]  Uh, Elizabeth Warren in first place with 28, Bernie Sanders.
[00:38:26]  Or Joe Biden with 21 percent.
[00:38:28]  Sanders with 15.
[00:38:29]  Uh, Butige at 10, Harris at five, Yang at one, Gabbard.
[00:38:37]  Hanging in at five.
[00:38:39]  Yeah, I'm pretty shocked that she's even able to deal with that.
[00:38:44]  I mean, that's really something.
[00:38:47]  She's just terrible.
[00:38:48]  But she's not going anywhere.
[00:38:49]  The thing is that it's looking more and more like it's going to be Elizabeth Warren.
[00:38:54]  And I got to say, I just, I can't, maybe there's something, maybe, maybe I'm wrong or I'm missing something, but I just can't imagine that the Democrats are actually going to nominate Elizabeth Warren.
[00:39:06]  She's just so terrible.
[00:39:08]  I mean, she's literally, like, she's horrible at giving a speech.
[00:39:13]  I didn't read the whole article.
[00:39:14]  She's a fake Indian, for God's sakes.
[00:39:16]  I didn't read the whole article and it seemed to somewhat turn and spin in her favor, but there was a New York Times pretty brutal article.
[00:39:23]  About the donors freaking out.
[00:39:25]  No, it wasn't the donors freaking out.
[00:39:26]  Oh, maybe it was, but it was talking about how when she was a bankruptcy lawyer, she defended some very large corporations against small individuals.
[00:39:34]  Interesting.
[00:39:35]  Yeah.
[00:39:36]  And all corporate interest type stuff.
[00:39:38]  And they were trying to put the spin on it.
[00:39:40]  I didn't read the whole article.
[00:39:40]  They were trying to put the spin on it that it's because she feels it's her, how important bankruptcy is, but she really went against poor individuals to defend corporations, which is very against her brand.
[00:39:54]  And that was all before she was in politics.
[00:39:56]  That's interesting.
[00:39:57]  She has a lot of money.
[00:39:59]  She's got some real problems.
[00:40:01]  One of the big problems with Elizabeth Warren that she's, I think, will be exposed more and more.
[00:40:07]  Liar?
[00:40:08]  Yeah.
[00:40:09]  No, I mean, that's it.
[00:40:10]  That's literally what I was going to say: is that she is a liar.
[00:40:13]  She's a phony person.
[00:40:15]  And that is, that's a big issue.
[00:40:18]  And it's not just like, okay, she's a liar.
[00:40:20]  Like, look, they're all pretty much liars.
[00:40:23]  Almost every single one.
[00:40:24]  She's a rich, successful one.
[00:40:26]  Yeah, well, that's true.
[00:40:27]  But it's not just that.
[00:40:29]  It's that it's not under control enough for her to mask it.
[00:40:34]  So, you know, the Indian thing you might think is kind of stupid.
[00:40:38]  Look, to people like me and you, it's like, I don't know.
[00:40:43]  It'd be easy to just kind of roll your eyes at it and be like, well, that's stupid.
[00:40:46]  Like, who cares?
[00:40:47]  And why would you say that?
[00:40:49]  But if you're a left-leaning, you know, person who Warren might attract, it seems like that would be like a really big problem.
[00:40:59]  Because really, the idea of claiming you're a person of color, or in other words, a non-white, that's supposed to be really important to them, right?
[00:41:11]  And I know they're on this whole transgender thing where you can claim to be whatever gender you are, but they're not quite there with transracial.
[00:41:18]  And the affirmative action programs are put aside for people who aren't white.
[00:41:22]  And also, if you actually really listen to their whole weird, weird worldview and philosophy, their thing is that, like, if you're the reason why they don't really care about like, say, Jews as a minority is because you're, um, you basically can pass for white, so you don't live the experience of being discriminated against and all of that, like you're a non-visible minority.
[00:41:46]  Um, and say whatever you will about Elizabeth Warren, even if she believed that she was part Native American, I mean, she's clearly a white lady, like anyone who looks at her thinks she's that.
[00:41:57]  And if she's taking advantage of these programs that are so important and put aside for people who are systematically discriminated against, then that seems like it would be a big problem.
[00:42:06]  But the real issue for the normals out there is that that's a very fundamental thing to lie about.
[00:42:15]  And if you're willing to tell a big lie about yourself and your own story like that, if you know anything about humans and how they work, that's usually, it's usually not like you do a one-off with one big lie about your own story.
[00:42:30]  That person is usually a liar who lies a lot.
[00:42:34]  And more of them already have been coming out.
[00:42:36]  Like Elizabeth Warren has been telling this story on every stump speech about how she was fired from her teaching job for being pregnant.
[00:42:45]  And then the problem is that this is like her story of back when, you know, she was starting off, she got fired from her teaching job for being pregnant.
[00:42:51]  And the problem is that now there's like old videos of her out there where she's talking about how she wasn't fired for being pregnant and how they were cool with her being pregnant.
[00:42:59]  It's like, oh, there's one more lie.
[00:43:00]  And it just seems to me like it's like, oh, if we've already found one more big lie, there's got to be five, six more big lies that'll come up.
[00:43:08]  You mean at one point she was saying kudos to this company for not firing me?
[00:43:11]  It's not that.
[00:43:12]  It's just that she was telling the story of why she left and it had nothing to do with being pregnant.
[00:43:16]  Oh, okay.
[00:43:17]  Like, and that is, so it's just the story's being like she, you can just play videos of her in the past that contradict her now.
[00:43:23]  And you just go, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:43:25]  Okay.
[00:43:25]  So more and more is going to be coming out.
[00:43:27]  This is not, these aren't the type of things that like just, you know.
[00:43:32]  Here's the other thing I was thinking when I was reading the Elizabeth Warren one is that I don't, I know some pretty successful and smart lawyers, but no one who's gone to Harvard Law School.
[00:43:40]  You got to be really uniquely smart.
[00:43:42]  Like I know people have gone Ivy League and they're not Harvard law.
[00:43:46]  Like I don't have that much of a work ethic and I know the people that went to slightly light like NYU law school and they're people that went to MIT, they couldn't get into Harvard.
[00:43:54]  This is a really smart person.
[00:43:56]  And then you look at her policies and you realize I don't think someone this smart could really think these are working policies.
[00:44:02]  They must be a liar.
[00:44:03]  Well, right.
[00:44:04]  Or you could just be a Native American and you can go wherever the fuck you want to.
[00:44:10]  And that's, you know, just seems like what's going on here.
[00:44:15]  I mean, look, this woman wrote a fucking Native American cookbook.

=== Stamps.com Saves Small Business (02:25) ===

[00:44:19]  Really?
[00:44:19]  Yes.
[00:44:20]  And from what I understand, she plagiarized some of the recipes in it.
[00:44:23]  I mean, this is like, she wasn't just, she didn't just like claim.
[00:44:26]  It's also not, it's not a thing like she just fucking claimed like, oh, I have some Native American blood in me.
[00:44:34]  It's not like she just said this in interviews.
[00:44:37]  She checked this on her like bar like questionnaire thing or on her law license thing.
[00:44:44]  She fucking, she wrote a book about it.
[00:44:45]  She was listed as Harvard's first female of color professor.
[00:44:49]  Like she, this is a woman who really, really leaned in to this identity.
[00:44:53]  This is craziness.
[00:44:54]  We should do one of her recipes every week and put it out there.
[00:44:57]  That's actually not a bad idea.
[00:44:59]  That might be a future segment.
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=== No Risk with Clinton Plans (09:24) ===

[00:46:45]  All right, let's get back into the show.
[00:46:46]  But I got to think, so there was, speaking of the Times articles, there was a Times article like two weeks ago where they're basically writing about these Democratic fundraisers, some of the big wig Democratic fundraisers or donors, I should say, who are... who are freaking out.
[00:47:03]  And they're basically starting to do what we've been doing, what Scott Horton was doing when he was on the show with us, where there is, where you start going like, it's like, wait, so actually start going through every candidate and realizing that once it gets to a one-on-one, it's very hard to see any of these people beating Donald Trump.
[00:47:21]  They don't want to put the money in.
[00:47:22]  Well, they're freaking out.
[00:47:23]  They're like, we've been putting money into all these guys.
[00:47:25]  And what the fuck is going on here?
[00:47:26]  Like, what are we doing?
[00:47:28]  What has this, like, really step back and think about it.
[00:47:32]  Donald Trump is very beatable, but what has the entire Democratic primary been so far other than an exercise in handing Donald Trump talking points?
[00:47:43]  I mean, look, I try to remove myself, which is impossible, but I try to remove myself from my own, you know, personal perspective and go, let's say I'm a Democratic donor and I'm looking down the line and you're like, okay, well, who's the guy?
[00:47:59]  Okay, well, is it Joe Biden?
[00:48:01]  I mean, like, Joe Biden is a fucking 80-year-old who looks like an 85-year-old who can't put a sentence together, can't go do an event without nuzzle humping some kid, can't fucking remember dates and places, is constantly just making himself look like an idiot.
[00:48:19]  You're like, holy shit.
[00:48:20]  I mean, I don't think this is the guy.
[00:48:21]  He's like a dumbass.
[00:48:23]  You look at all the other establishment people who they've tried to push out there.
[00:48:26]  Beto a roarkeek, you're like, oh, what a fucking joke.
[00:48:29]  I mean, this guy is just couldn't.
[00:48:31]  This guy is just terrible.
[00:48:33]  Clearly not built for this thing.
[00:48:35]  Can't get any pot.
[00:48:36]  They tried to give Kamala Harris this big boost.
[00:48:38]  She's at 5%.
[00:48:40]  She's not going to be the nominee.
[00:48:41]  It's not going to happen.
[00:48:43]  You know, I guess you could maybe try to rationalize something about Mayor Pete, but it's like, well, what is he?
[00:48:50]  He's at 10%.
[00:48:51]  He's not getting any black support.
[00:48:52]  There's no real reason why he should be the guy.
[00:48:55]  He's like a mayor.
[00:48:58]  There's nothing really good.
[00:48:59]  And then you have the fucking socialists and you have Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, who it's like, okay, the problem with that is that if there's anywhere near a decent economy and there's not an economic collapse between now and then, if Donald Trump can just say, I don't know, you want to have a socialist revolution or you kind of want to keep going with this?
[00:49:19]  Do you want all of, do you want 150 million people to not be able to get to keep your insurance?
[00:49:25]  You want to ban all your private insurance?
[00:49:27]  You want to fucking double the size of the federal budget?
[00:49:31]  Really?
[00:49:31]  Is that the plan here?
[00:49:33]  Seems pretty winnable for him.
[00:49:34]  Not to mention, personally speaking, there's no way Elizabeth Warren can beat Donald Trump one-on-one, just as the person she is.
[00:49:43]  There's no way this nagging fucking, you know, like, she's like the chick who's like your boss at the office who's a bitch.
[00:49:51]  Like, there's no way this person is going to beat Donald Trump.
[00:49:55]  Bernie Sanders maybe could, but he's got a problem that he's kind of falling in the polls.
[00:50:00]  He's in a solid third place now.
[00:50:02]  He doesn't have that killer instinct that Trump has.
[00:50:05]  He can't get the black voters, it seems.
[00:50:07]  And the Democratic establishment is completely against him.
[00:50:10]  Like they're just never going to let him be the guy.
[00:50:13]  So that kind of eliminates him.
[00:50:15]  And then you keep going down the list and you're like, well, who is there here?
[00:50:18]  And it turns out there's no one.
[00:50:19]  And what this article in the New York Times was saying is that a lot of Democratic donors are starting to think that somebody else needs to get into the race.
[00:50:27]  And the names that they were throwing out there were Hillary Clinton and Michael Bloomberg.
[00:50:34]  And the problem is that these are two other people who can't possibly win for their own reasons.
[00:50:38]  So even the other names they're throwing out there are people who can't possibly win.
[00:50:41]  Why would Bloomberg go down in flames?
[00:50:44]  Well, okay, Bloomberg is a whiny, effeminate Jew from New York.
[00:50:49]  If you think he's the guy who's going to win where you need to win.
[00:50:53]  I mean, you know.
[00:50:54]  I mean, in New York, you can get away being a gay Jew, but nationally, it's not happening.
[00:50:57]  Nationally, it's not going to happen.
[00:50:59]  That's right.
[00:50:59]  Nationally, what you need from Donald Trump is to win the Rust Belt.
[00:51:04]  That shit ain't going to fucking fly.
[00:51:07]  He's also, you know, like complete, you know, a complete gun grabber, a climate change activist.
[00:51:14]  I want to ban your big gulp sodas.
[00:51:17]  I mean, it's just that this guy's just not going to do it.
[00:51:19]  It's not going to happen.
[00:51:20]  And Hillary Clinton, you know, she might get back into it.
[00:51:24]  I'm believing more and more that she might, but she will, listen, here's the problem with Hillary Clinton running again.
[00:51:30]  She already ran and lost to Donald Trump.
[00:51:33]  All of the horrible qualities that she has are still there.
[00:51:36]  She's older.
[00:51:38]  It's not just that she's older, dude.
[00:51:40]  She is, how do I say this? Broken.
[00:51:46]  She is broken.
[00:51:48]  Donald Trump broke her.
[00:51:50]  There's something about Donald Trump and the killer instinct that he has and the way he does politics.
[00:51:56]  He doesn't just beat people.
[00:51:58]  He destroys them.
[00:52:00]  He takes their soul.
[00:52:02]  Like, Jeb Bush is still somewhere in a fetal position crying.
[00:52:07]  No one will ever look at Jeb Bush the same as they did before he ran against Donald Trump.
[00:52:11]  It's true for Marco Rubio, for so many of these other guys.
[00:52:14]  Like they're just, Donald Trump just dismantles you and he leaves you in a place where like no one will ever look at you the same way.
[00:52:23]  And he broke Hillary Clinton.
[00:52:25]  I mean broke her.
[00:52:27]  Like it's not just that he pointed out all of the corruption and now everybody kind of looks at Hillary Clinton as this incredibly corrupt person, but he clearly couldn't handle losing that election to Donald Trump.
[00:52:43]  And I must say, you know, psychologically speaking, it must be a fucking really crazy thing to lose the presidency.
[00:52:50]  Well, look, if you were thinking of, if you were, and I don't know, but if there's any, you know, psychologists who are listening or psych majors or anything like that, I'd imagine if you were saying like, what are the most devastating things that happen to a person in their life?
[00:53:05]  I'd imagine losing a job is one of the big ones.
[00:53:09]  I mean, you know, there's probably a few bigger, like losing a loved one or, you know, a divorce or something like that.
[00:53:15]  There might be, you know, some bigger things.
[00:53:18]  But aside from like death of a family member or divorce or, I don't know, some horrible accident or something like that, losing a job has got to be a really big thing, you know?
[00:53:28]  Like if you, you know, real career problems, that can have a real, take a real toll on somebody.
[00:53:33]  And could there be any more drastic job-related loss than that?
[00:53:42]  I mean, it's not just like getting fired or being up for a big promotion and not getting it.
[00:53:49]  It's the most like the contrast between where you expected to be and where you are is the Hillary Clinton was like all but assured that you're going to go down in history as the first female president of the United States of America.
[00:54:08]  You're going to be sitting in the Oval Office and deciding what nations survive and what nations fall.
[00:54:15]  You will be moving mountains.
[00:54:18]  Like, you know, the closest thing that a human being can have to like supernatural powers.
[00:54:25]  You're going to be the most powerful human being in the world.
[00:54:28]  And then you go from that to nothing.
[00:54:33]  That to nothing.
[00:54:34]  You go from, I'm going to be sitting in the Oval Office deciding which government we're going to topple next to I'm sitting in a Barnes and Noble's signing a what happened book.
[00:54:45]  That is, that is, look, for anybody, that must be just an incredibly difficult psychological hurdle to overcome.
[00:54:57]  And Hillary Clinton, you know, is somebody who's tasted power and I think was, you know, safe to say, a little bit drunk on it and just lost all of it.
[00:55:05]  And if you see Hillary Clinton, it's pathetic.
[00:55:07]  She's still bitching about the Russians and Trump and Comey and everyone who did her wrong and blaming everyone except herself.
[00:55:14]  If she tries to get back into it, she's just going to fail miserably.
[00:55:18]  And, you know, she doesn't even have the biggest thing that I think she had going for her, which is that Donald Trump is just too risky.
[00:55:27]  You just can't risk putting this guy in there.
[00:55:29]  It's like, well, now we've done that already.
[00:55:30]  So that's pretty much over.
[00:55:32]  And the risk is what?
[00:55:34]  That he might end a war a little bit too quickly.
[00:55:36]  I mean, you know, he's not.
[00:55:39]  But really, you know, the problem with Donald Trump is that it's pretty much the same.
[00:55:44]  That's the biggest problem with Donald Trump.
[00:55:45]  It's not that like, oh my God, he's got his finger on the button.
[00:55:48]  Donald Trump has access to the nuclear codes.
[00:55:51]  It's like, well, actually, he's just kind of, if anything, slightly slowing down the war machine.
[00:55:58]  It's not starting any new wars.
[00:56:00]  Certainly not ending any.
[00:56:02]  But I mean, she would, I also just think that Hillary Clinton is, I think she was a worse candidate in 2016 than she was in 2008.

=== Fox News vs MSNBC Bias (10:50) ===

[00:56:10]  And I think she'll be a far worse candidate in 2020.
[00:56:12]  So the Democrats really, I mean, they need somebody else, someone outside.
[00:56:18]  I think Oprah might be the person.
[00:56:21]  Oprah maybe could do it.
[00:56:24]  But aside from that, I really don't see anyone.
[00:56:27]  Anyway.
[00:56:29]  All right.
[00:56:29]  Let's switch gears a little bit.
[00:56:31]  There was something else that I wanted to talk about.
[00:56:34]  There's a video I wanted to play.
[00:56:36]  I thought we might get, it might be useful to look at this.
[00:56:39]  And I thought we could check this out.
[00:56:41]  So I watched a little bit.
[00:56:43]  I just saw it on YouTube.
[00:56:45]  I didn't actually watch the show.
[00:56:48]  But this was a Bill Maher's show last week or just last Friday, so just a few days ago.
[00:56:56]  And he had our boy Fredo on the show.
[00:57:00]  And I thought it was an interesting conversation that maybe we could play and respond to a little bit as we love to kind of examine the mainstream media here on this show.
[00:57:13]  And Chris Cuomo has been one of our preferred targets in the past.
[00:57:17]  Not our favorite.
[00:57:18]  Not our favorite.
[00:57:19]  There's others.
[00:57:20]  But he's a good one.
[00:57:22]  And so Chris Cuomo was on Bill Maher's show.
[00:57:26]  Let's play this interview and let's talk about it.
[00:57:31]  There was a time when you brought on an anchorman and they would not get a standing ovation.
[00:57:36]  Anchormen are kind of having a moment.
[00:57:38]  Did you read that story?
[00:57:39]  They're a big popular on talk shows and stuff.
[00:57:43]  Yeah, my therapist has been talking to me about it a lot recently.
[00:57:47]  You have a therapist?
[00:57:48]  I was here with Howard Stern.
[00:57:49]  I have a whole team.
[00:57:50]  Oh, Jesus.
[00:57:52]  Am I the only one left in the control group?
[00:57:54]  Okay.
[00:57:56]  But, you know, CNN, which is where you're at.
[00:57:59]  Yes.
[00:58:00]  I mean, you started at Fox.
[00:58:01]  I didn't know that.
[00:58:01]  I was reading about it.
[00:58:03]  What was that like?
[00:58:03]  Did Roger Ailes ever grab your ass?
[00:58:07]  No, but apparently I was one of the only ones that he did.
[00:58:11]  But I did start there.
[00:58:12]  It was my first job.
[00:58:12]  You fit in with the, they must have known your pedigree.
[00:58:16]  No, I left for a reason.
[00:58:19]  You know, the funny thing is, Roger was one of the only people who would hire me because he took a chance on whether or not I would be able to be fair.
[00:58:29]  You know, at the time, you couldn't come from a political family and have any hope in journalism, that you'd have to be an analyst, you know, or go into politics itself.
[00:58:39]  And I didn't want to do that.
[00:58:40]  So he gave me an opportunity for a little bit.
[00:58:44]  I love the moral of like, at the time, they would be, you know, skeptical about bringing someone in from a political family.
[00:58:49]  And it's like, yeah, well, that seems like a fairly reasonable rule if you're looking for an objective journalist.
[00:58:55]  And he goes, you'd have to go into being an analyst or go right into politics, like, or get a job.
[00:59:01]  There's also option C here.
[00:59:03]  Just go do anything.
[00:59:05]  Do whatever you want to.
[00:59:06]  But yeah, if you're the governor's son and the future governor's brother, probably you can't be a journalist covering them.
[00:59:15]  Seems reasonable.
[00:59:16]  I did not realize he was actually credentialed as a journalist.
[00:59:20]  Yeah, well, I mean, you were probably correct in your instincts.
[00:59:25]  But anyway, it's just not a funny way.
[00:59:27]  So it's like already the way they open it is like, yeah, they used to have these crazy rules about objectivity.
[00:59:32]  But Roger Ailes was willing to take a shot on me.
[00:59:35]  I was like, oh, okay.
[00:59:36]  And now I guess CNN is.
[00:59:37]  I guess they have no problem with that.
[00:59:40]  All right, let's keep going.
[00:59:41]  You try out lots of different parts of reporting.
[00:59:44]  He really knew a lot about interviewing in particular, but the idea of telling a story.
[00:59:49]  But eventually I had to leave because I couldn't tell stories the way he wanted to.
[00:59:52]  Already there are people mad at you because you said some nice things sort of about Roger Ailes.
[00:59:56]  And this is something you and I both face because we platform people, Chris.
[01:00:00]  In other words, we give people who we don't agree with a chance to speak.
[01:00:04]  And there's a lot of liberals who hate that because you should only talk amongst the people who already agree with you.
[01:00:08]  I mean, they hate you because you are friends with Kellyanne Conway and have her run.
[01:00:13]  I wish that were the only thing.
[01:00:14]  I feel like I'm so surprised when anyone is nice to me at any time, you know, including my kids, because everybody's got an opinion now.
[01:00:22]  They used to just not watch.
[01:00:24]  Now I wish they didn't watch.
[01:00:25]  Well, it's interesting because CNN used to be the neutral station.
[01:00:28]  I mean, there was MSNBC on the left and you had Fox News on the right.
[01:00:32]  I mean, we all knew that.
[01:00:34]  Sometimes I would watch Fox News just to see what they're saying.
[01:00:37]  I couldn't take too much of it.
[01:00:39]  I knew what MSNBC was, but CNN was like, okay, these guys are trying to play it right down the middle.
[01:00:44]  Now you're getting sued by the president.
[01:00:46]  How do you play it down the middle?
[01:00:48]  I guess is the question when the president is so far to one side.
[01:00:52]  All right, let's pause it right there.
[01:00:53]  Look.
[01:00:54]  So this is an interesting line of questioning.
[01:00:57]  And this is what got me interested in this interview when he started going down this path.
[01:01:00]  And I was like, oh, maybe this might be a conversation that's worth talking about.
[01:01:05]  But notice the framing.
[01:01:08]  So you go, it used to kind of be that like Fox News was the Republican station.
[01:01:13]  MSNBC was the Democratic station.
[01:01:15]  CNN at least attempted to play it right down the middle.
[01:01:18]  Now, there is something funny about the fact that both MSNBC and Fox News will not admit that they're the Democrat and Republican channels, respectively.
[01:01:29]  That really is, that just shows you something about how just full of shit both of these guys are.
[01:01:36]  By the way, I prefer Fox News.
[01:01:38]  They have me on.
[01:01:39]  They'll be back on the Greg Gutfeld show in two weeks.
[01:01:43]  But it is like just unboxing.
[01:01:45]  I mean, imagine like if this show here, like we just wouldn't admit we're a libertarian show.
[01:01:49]  Like, well, you guys obviously lean libertarian.
[01:01:51]  Like, I don't know what you're talking about.
[01:01:52]  I don't know what you're talking about.
[01:01:53]  No, no, we just call, you know, calls them the ways we see them.
[01:01:58]  Yeah, exactly.
[01:01:58]  Like, it's like, okay, well, come on.
[01:01:59]  No spin here.
[01:02:00]  I mean, you obviously like, we do call it the way we see it, but clearly we have an ideology.
[01:02:06]  We have a viewpoint, which I also hate the idea of pretending anybody doesn't have a viewpoint because I just think that's insane.
[01:02:12]  I've said that many times on the show before.
[01:02:13]  It's like you can be objective to some degree, as much as human beings can be objective, but everybody has a viewpoint.
[01:02:21]  And to pretend you don't just seems like disingenuous to me.
[01:02:25]  Like, how could you not?
[01:02:26]  What are you, a robot?
[01:02:27]  No, you obviously, you're a human being.
[01:02:29]  You have to have an opinion on a lot of these things.
[01:02:32]  But so anyway, so that's, but he goes, but CNN has always tried to be objective and call it right down the middle.
[01:02:38]  But how can you call it down the middle now that you're actually getting sued by the Trump administration?
[01:02:45]  And it's like, okay, well, I guess we could start there.
[01:02:49]  But why is the Trump administration suing you?
[01:02:52]  Why is there this animosity between you and the Trump administration?
[01:02:55]  Are we supposed to pretend that CNN was calling it right down the middle, was giving Trump a completely fair shake until this recent lawsuit came about?
[01:03:04]  I mean, by the way, I don't even know the details of the lawsuit.
[01:03:08]  I read about it and I've completely forgotten.
[01:03:10]  Some things just aren't important enough for me to retain the information.
[01:03:13]  But come on.
[01:03:16]  Anybody who's like watched CNN in the last three years, they've been out to get Donald Trump since he announced his candidacy.
[01:03:25]  So, of course, it's not like this didn't start with Donald Trump just being so terrible as president that you had to not be, you had to not, even calling it down the middle would mean just criticizing Donald Trump.
[01:03:38]  It's like, no, obviously something else happened here.
[01:03:41]  And it just seems strange that they can't address it.
[01:03:44]  It's as strange as MSNBC pretending they don't lean Democrat or Fox News pretending they don't lean Republican.
[01:03:51]  Let's keep playing.
[01:03:52]  I think what has changed is the president and how he has decided to conduct his office.
[01:04:01]  There's nothing non-neutral about facts.
[01:04:04]  You know, if you want to talk about what's going on and test arguments, that is what it is.
[01:04:08]  It's not left or right.
[01:04:09]  Either you're telling the truth or you're not.
[01:04:11]  Either your argument makes sense or it doesn't.
[01:04:14]  I think what has changed is how this president is.
[01:04:16]  What we never had before was someone who would say, no, it's not that I disagree with you.
[01:04:22]  It's that you're a bad person, Bill, for asking me that question.
[01:04:26]  You're bad.
[01:04:27]  They shouldn't like you.
[01:04:28]  And it's fake.
[01:04:29]  What you said about me is fake scum.
[01:04:31]  He said that about his own people.
[01:04:32]  I know.
[01:04:32]  Let's pause it here for a second.
[01:04:34]  His own people.
[01:04:35]  By that, they mean Republicans.
[01:04:38]  You know, there's something interesting about saying it's not an opinion.
[01:04:46]  Facts are facts.
[01:04:48]  And of course, like, yeah, kind of.
[01:04:52]  Facts are facts.
[01:04:53]  But what facts you choose to talk about, what you choose to admit, what you choose to make the story, this is really where opinion journalism comes in.
[01:05:02]  You know, MSNBC misreports some facts sometimes.
[01:05:06]  And CNN misreports some facts sometimes.
[01:05:08]  And Fox News misreports some facts.
[01:05:10]  It happens.
[01:05:12]  You know, ABC News literally just played a video and said this was a war in Syria and it's from fucking a bourbon gun range in Tennessee.
[01:05:22]  So, or in Kentucky, or was it?
[01:05:24]  Anyway, that's not important.
[01:05:26]  But, you know, that's not really where the major problems with the media come in.
[01:05:34]  It's not that they get facts wrong.
[01:05:36]  It's what they choose to obsess over and what they choose to ignore or give a minor, minor amount of coverage to.
[01:05:44]  So it is a fact that Obama armed Al-Qaeda.
[01:05:51]  It is also a fact that Donald Trump lied about the crowd size at his inauguration.
[01:05:57]  Both are facts, okay?
[01:05:59]  But if you don't treat one as a more serious outrage than the other, this is where you can use facts to be misleading.
[01:06:08]  So just saying, well, it's about the facts and that's that.
[01:06:11]  It's like, well, no, actually, because you're still informed by an ideology.
[01:06:15]  You're still informed by a perspective that tells you what facts deserve more attention than the others or what facts will be reported on, right?
[01:06:25]  Like, you're not just going to have like a CNN 8 p.m. hour that sits there and goes like, you know, just lists off random facts in the universe.
[01:06:36]  You're going to decide what you're going to put in there.
[01:06:38]  And that's where your ideology comes in.
[01:06:41]  That's where like you're informed.
[01:06:43]  It informs what you're going to say.
[01:06:45]  But it's interesting if you, you know, like we're all guilty of, if you're already, when you already come from one ideological, like you already have one ideological predisposition, then you kind of, it can make you feel like you're like, yeah, we're just telling the facts.
[01:06:59]  There's no other problem here.

=== Ideology Creates Media Bubbles (14:59) ===

[01:07:00]  All right, let's play.
[01:07:02]  About people in a human party.
[01:07:04]  He didn't say it about me.
[01:07:04]  He said much worse.
[01:07:05]  Human scum.
[01:07:07]  And then the press secretary, this is what's new.
[01:07:10]  So usually the press secretary comes in with pumps.
[01:07:13]  Sorry, there was something on the screen.
[01:07:15]  I heard something.
[01:07:16]  Scum.
[01:07:17]  How can you say scum?
[01:07:18]  No, this was the other thing that actually, which I meant to say just now that stuck out at me that he goes, and this is really something.
[01:07:29]  Okay, anybody, I don't know if I'm really right-wing or not.
[01:07:32]  I certainly get called that by a lot of people.
[01:07:34]  You know, Jeff Deist, when he was on the podcast a couple episodes ago, he said, you know, they call me right-wing libertarian.
[01:07:40]  And he was like, fine.
[01:07:41]  I'm fine with that.
[01:07:42]  If that's what you want to call me, okay, I'm a right-wing libertarian.
[01:07:45]  I don't know if it's accurate or not.
[01:07:47]  I don't know.
[01:07:47]  I get called right-wing a lot.
[01:07:48]  I've heard different definitions for right versus left.
[01:07:54]  I tend to honestly, although this almost, I feel like today sounds like kind of a weak statement to make, but I really kind of believe what Walter Block always said, that libertarians are the third leg on the stool.
[01:08:07]  Like there's right left and there's libertarians.
[01:08:09]  And we're not either of these things.
[01:08:12]  Like we're our own thing completely.
[01:08:15]  If you were to call me right wing, I think that there'd be a lot of problems with that.
[01:08:21]  Like I don't really, I mean, I don't know.
[01:08:26]  Like, yeah, I guess I believe in a hierarchy, as we've talked about before on the show, kind of everyone does, even those pretending not to.
[01:08:33]  I know Michael Malice said once that, oh, by the way, I'm recording with Michael Malice tomorrow.
[01:08:39]  So I'll be on the next episode of Your Welcome.
[01:08:42]  But, you know, it's like his question was, do you think some people are better than others?
[01:08:52]  And if your answer is yes, immediately with no hesitation, then you're right-wing, which is an interesting, fun way to think about things.
[01:09:00]  But even if you don't answer yes immediately, everybody does believe that.
[01:09:04]  So I don't know if that to me is like the best test.
[01:09:08]  Okay, I'm a right-wing guy.
[01:09:10]  I'm a right-wing guy who doesn't support the military or the police.
[01:09:14]  I don't know.
[01:09:15]  I'm not really like, as much as like, I'm not really a traditional guy who just believes in traditional values for the sake of them.
[01:09:22]  I'm just not on board with trying to turn a three-year-old into a transgender.
[01:09:27]  So I guess that makes me by today's standards.
[01:09:29]  Like, I don't know.
[01:09:30]  My point is, I don't really think I'm a right-wing guy.
[01:09:33]  I don't know.
[01:09:34]  I don't care if somebody calls me that.
[01:09:37]  But in today's world, I'm certainly not with the left-wing agenda in 2019 America.
[01:09:44]  Okay.
[01:09:44]  So I'm certainly on the outside of that.
[01:09:46]  So the point they make before is they're like, well, what's different about this president is he's not just disagreeing with your ideas.
[01:09:53]  He's insinuating that you're evil for having them.
[01:09:57]  So this is what Bill Maher was getting at when he used the scumbag.
[01:10:00]  Scumbacks?
[01:10:01]  He calls them scum.
[01:10:03]  I mean, who does this to people they disagree with?
[01:10:06]  Insinuate that they're evil.
[01:10:07]  Not just that I disagree with you, but that you're evil.
[01:10:10]  That is something that I guess if you're in this ideological camp of the left today in America, which both these guys are broad, you know, strokes, I see where you could see that because it's always been a given that you're the good guys and that no one can really call you evil.
[01:10:26]  We might disagree with you.
[01:10:27]  I mean, hey, even when I had Nick Sarwalk in here, the chairman of the Libertarian Party, he goes, communists are misguided, but racists are evil.
[01:10:37]  Like that's the take, right?
[01:10:38]  It's always, but if you're not with the left-wing program, like you're not marching in line with them, this is so fucking laughable.
[01:10:49]  The idea that, oh my God, someone was saying, not only do I disagree with you, but you're evil.
[01:10:55]  This is just so like unusual.
[01:10:57]  This never happens to anyone.
[01:10:59]  Please tell me anybody who listens to this show who's at all either considers themselves to be right wing or is considered by others to be right wing.
[01:11:08]  Have you ever encountered that before?
[01:11:09]  Where someone doesn't just disagree with you, but kind of insinuates that you might be evil?
[01:11:15]  That's all you get from the left.
[01:11:17]  That is, I mean, I'm not, if I said 95% of the interactions, that is a gross underestimation.
[01:11:24]  Like, of reactions from left-wing people to anybody who has some right-wing views.
[01:11:31]  It's like at least 95% of the time, the response is that you must be evil.
[01:11:38]  I mean, come on, you've been calling, Joe Biden said about Mitt Romney that he wants to put y'all back in chains to a big black group of black people.
[01:11:50]  This has been the playbook forever.
[01:11:52]  So once you realize that if you're not in this little world, in this bubble that they're in, I know Bill Maher likes to talk about a bubble a lot.
[01:11:59]  If you're not in that left-wing bubble, to the right, to everybody who's on the other side of it, and I'm not on the Trump side, but I'm certainly outside of their bubble.
[01:12:09]  It's like, oh, no, no, no, he's just playing the game that you guys have been playing forever, which is, by the way, kind of describes everything about Trump, everything about the new right, everything about the alt-right, everything about the alt-light, as they're called, all of these groups.
[01:12:23]  It's that they're just going, hey, we're going to play by these rules too.
[01:12:27]  Since you're playing by these rules, we kind of feel like if we don't play by these rules, then we're just losing at this game.
[01:12:33]  So we'll play by these rules too.
[01:12:35]  Okay, if identity politics works for you, we're going to play identity politics on the other side.
[01:12:40]  Oh, okay.
[01:12:40]  If you're all about this team winning, I'm all about this team winning.
[01:12:45]  All right.
[01:12:46]  So if you're saying that your enemies are not only wrong, but they're evil, well, guess what?
[01:12:50]  We think you're evil.
[01:12:52]  Now, by the way, I've been calling pretty much all of these people evil for quite a long time.
[01:12:56]  So I think I'm being fairly consistent.
[01:12:59]  Maybe even the most consistent motherfucker, you know.
[01:13:02]  But the idea that two people on the left would go, this is like a new phenomenon where not only do we disagree with you, but you're evil.
[01:13:11]  I mean, tell, listen, you show me a right-wing person who has spoken to more than just his family and friends in some like heavy red state area.
[01:13:24]  Like who's ever ventured outside of talking to just right-wing people and talked about politics at all, who's never been called racist, sexist, xenophobic, something that has evil like associations or connotations with it.
[01:13:38]  Show me that person does not exist.
[01:13:41]  Does not exist.
[01:13:42]  This is what people on the right or people like myself who are labeled right, you know, who I don't really know.
[01:13:48]  I'm also by the hard right labeled left.
[01:13:50]  I don't fucking know, you know, what really makes sense.
[01:13:53]  But anybody who's not with the modern woke 2019 left has been called all these things.
[01:13:58]  And by the way, Bill Maher has been called these things by the left as well.
[01:14:03]  So, you know, you ever see that thing where Sam Harris was on Bill Maher with Ben Affleck after that whole thing blew up where they were talking about how fucking crazy the Muslims are?
[01:14:14]  How many left-wing people call Bill Maher evil?
[01:14:16]  This isn't unique to Donald Trump.
[01:14:18]  I mean, Trump certainly rolls up his sleeves and gets into the fight, but it's not, he didn't, he's not the first one to ever do this.
[01:14:24]  Oh, he called people scumbags.
[01:14:26]  Well, why is that so much worse than calling, say, someone racist or fascist?
[01:14:31]  Is scumbag really so bad?
[01:14:33]  Let's tally up how many times Donald Trump's been referred to as a fascist or a racist.
[01:14:40]  Like on CNN, on your network.
[01:14:42]  So this is where you can say, well, we're just talking about facts, but it's like, well, what about all these other facts that you're omitting?
[01:14:49]  All right, let's keep playing.
[01:14:52]  Dumb, which means they're just one part of the hand.
[01:14:54]  Now she comes in and says, yeah, that's how it is.
[01:14:58]  If you've been against this president, that's how we should speak about you.
[01:15:02]  That's the biggest problem I think we all have.
[01:15:04]  Well, and also, I mean, CNN The trust factor in CNN has gone way down from something like 64% 20 years ago to like 48%.
[01:15:18]  What is that about?
[01:15:20]  You saying it's just me?
[01:15:21]  No.
[01:15:23]  No.
[01:15:24]  I was nervous about this.
[01:15:25]  Now I know why.
[01:15:26]  Here's what I think has happened.
[01:15:28]  If we are honest with ourselves, people have been skeptical about institutions and the media for a long time.
[01:15:34]  You can get a sense of bias in the media that it's only telling you certain stories a certain way.
[01:15:39]  And I think very often that criticism is well-founded.
[01:15:44]  However, I will tell you this.
[01:15:46]  This president is playing on every weakness in our social fabric.
[01:15:51]  I believe the book that will be written about him that will be most dispositive of what he meant is the luckiest man in the history of the game because he lies a lot and people suspect that they all lie.
[01:16:06]  He says that he's going.
[01:16:09]  So isn't that really just the this is where I was like, oh, we're going to talk about this on the podcast.
[01:16:14]  So Bill Maher points out to him that like, hey, trust in media and in your company particularly has like been decimated.
[01:16:24]  Like the vast majority of people now don't trust you.
[01:16:27]  So what's going on here?
[01:16:29]  Like what were the numbers that he said?
[01:16:30]  It's down to like 20 something percent of people who have trust in media?
[01:16:34]  I think it was higher than that, but it was a little, I thought it said 48.
[01:16:37]  Oh, that wasn't good.
[01:16:39]  Well, it's like the challenge.
[01:16:40]  Trust him 60 or something like that.
[01:16:42]  Yeah, the trust in media is plummeting.
[01:16:44]  So what's going on here?
[01:16:46]  And the response is like, well, look, let's be honest.
[01:16:49]  You know, people have been skeptical of media and institutions for a long time.
[01:16:53]  And there's some fair, you know, there's some truth in that.
[01:16:56]  But Donald Trump has done blah, blah, blah.
[01:16:58]  It's like, well, that's not being honest at all.
[01:17:02]  I mean, let's, so what is it?
[01:17:03]  So why is that?
[01:17:04]  Well, Donald Trump has played on, you know, the divisions in our social fabric.
[01:17:09]  Okay, quite possibly.
[01:17:10]  Why has that been successful?
[01:17:12]  Does anyone ever like ask themselves the deeper question?
[01:17:15]  Does anyone go a little bit beneath the surface?
[01:17:18]  So why?
[01:17:19]  Why is it?
[01:17:20]  Well, Donald Trump lies all the time, so most people assume they all lie.
[01:17:24]  Does that even make sense?
[01:17:25]  Does that even meet the smell test?
[01:17:27]  So just because Donald Trump lies, that would make people assume they all lie.
[01:17:32]  Here's what seems like a little bit more likely that they do all lie.
[01:17:37]  Donald Trump comes along and the media goes, oh my God, he's lying.
[01:17:41]  And people are like, yeah, they all lie.
[01:17:43]  Right?
[01:17:44]  I mean, like George W. Bush's signature achievement was the war in Iraq, which was sold on lies.
[01:17:53]  Obama's signature achievement was Obamacare, which was sold on lies.
[01:17:57]  And then Donald Trump gets in and goes, we had the biggest crowd sizes ever at our inauguration.
[01:18:02]  And they're like, he's lying.
[01:18:04]  Oh my God, he's lying.
[01:18:04]  So this is why people go, yeah, okay, he's lying.
[01:18:07]  But whatever.
[01:18:08]  They all lie.
[01:18:10]  It's because, in fact, they all do lie.
[01:18:13]  And the trust in media, I mean, I don't know.
[01:18:16]  Maybe it's because you guys get everything wrong.
[01:18:20]  I mean, imagine like working at an organization that was claiming that Trump is conspiring with the Russians for the last three years.
[01:18:28]  And people go, why don't people trust you?
[01:18:30]  And you go, well, it's because Trump lies.
[01:18:32]  All right.
[01:18:33]  Not very reflective of yourself.
[01:18:36]  It actually gives me a lot of hope because it makes me think, yeah, people really don't believe these guys.
[01:18:42]  And this is their attempt to adjust and to deal with that fact.
[01:18:46]  And you're like, yeah, I don't think they're capable of actually pulling people back into believing them, which is probably a very good thing.
[01:18:54]  All right, let's keep playing.
[01:18:56]  Going to do something, but it doesn't happen that way.
[01:18:57]  They believe it's the industry standard in politics.
[01:19:00]  He does things with Ukraine.
[01:19:02]  They believe what must happen all the time.
[01:19:03]  He says the media is fake.
[01:19:05]  People have been suspicious of that.
[01:19:07]  So he's playing to people's prejudices as a demagogue does.
[01:19:12]  But I'll tell you this, Bill.
[01:19:13]  I've never had so many people say, I support what you're doing as is happening right now.
[01:19:20]  But you get a lot of hate, as you said.
[01:19:22]  I do.
[01:19:23]  All right.
[01:19:23]  Pause it.
[01:19:24]  All right, right there.
[01:19:25]  Now, I will say, by the way, one of the things that stuck out at me in this interview, and you're going to see some of this coming up now, is that Chris Cuomo is skilled at what he does because this is really how a propagandist operates.
[01:19:37]  But so you kind of end, like, first off, and there's something about it that's sales related too, where somebody says, okay, well, look, I have these numbers where most people think you're like completely full of shit.
[01:19:49]  And you go, yeah, I completely understand that.
[01:19:51]  And I think there really is something to that.
[01:19:53]  And we need to reflect on that.
[01:19:54]  But really, it's this other guy who's full of shit.
[01:19:55]  And I've never had so many people come up to me and tell me, I really appreciate what you're doing.
[01:20:00]  And you leave with this thing of it's like, okay, so you just told me anecdotal information about random people complimenting you.
[01:20:05]  I'm giving you the numbers here.
[01:20:07]  There's way more people who don't compliment you, right?
[01:20:10]  But he kind of leaves with that and then they applaud.
[01:20:12]  And then you kind of feel like, oh, well, he just told me people are coming up to him and telling him how great a job he did.
[01:20:17]  And you're like, yeah, well, okay.
[01:20:19]  So you didn't, the first part of the question, this is what salesmen do in general, is that if someone has a concern about buying something, you don't go, like, bad sales is like, um, is like being combative.
[01:20:34]  So if somebody goes, like, well, I don't want to buy this product because I'm worried about X, Y, and Z. You don't go, well, you're wrong.
[01:20:40]  That's not a good salesman.
[01:20:41]  You don't go, you're wrong about that concern.
[01:20:43]  Because then someone retreats, they go, you just told me I'm wrong about my concern.
[01:20:46]  What you do is you go kind of like, absolutely, I totally understand that concern.
[01:20:50]  A lot of people have that concern, and that's something that we've been dealing with.
[01:20:53]  And by the way, here's some other piece of information that doesn't really have to do with your concern, but is a reason why you should be buying it.
[01:20:58]  That's like kind of how you do it.
[01:20:59]  You try to like kind of take their energy and give them back something positive.
[01:21:03]  And by the way, so it came off like, no, I told you you were right about your concern, but we're not really talking about that concern anymore, particularly if that concern is like an actual weakness in your product.
[01:21:13]  And you know about this, Rob.
[01:21:14]  This is what you do.
[01:21:15]  I don't know what you're talking about.
[01:21:16]  I would never utilize techniques like that.
[01:21:19]  Oh, see?
[01:21:19]  Well, you just lost my sound.
[01:21:22]  You should have said something more like, I totally understand why you would think I would do that.
[01:21:25]  And I've been trying to improve it.
[01:21:26]  Well, you know what?
[01:21:27]  After reevaluating, Dave, I think you're onto something here.
[01:21:30]  And excellent salesmanship.
[01:21:34]  But right, so that's, but so you're left with this.
[01:21:36]  Well, I've never had so many people coming up to me.
[01:21:38]  The truth is, it's like, okay, Chris Cuomo, why don't you go try to walk through the streets anywhere outside of like New York City where the CNN building is?
[01:21:47]  Why don't you just go try to walk around fucking, you know, any Trump district for a little bit.
[01:21:52]  Go out to just Long Island.
[01:21:53]  You have to go to Alabama or something.
[01:21:55]  Just go to Long Island and fucking walk around.
[01:21:57]  People will tell you how much they fucking hate you right away.

=== The Italian Slur Debate (13:46) ===

[01:21:59]  And of course, that's the thing that happened to him recently where he was called Fredo.
[01:22:03]  All right, they're going to get into that.
[01:22:04]  So let's keep playing.
[01:22:05]  Those are only my four cousins that clapped.
[01:22:07]  Right.
[01:22:08]  I mean, you know, you.
[01:22:10]  Hell hate too, by the way.
[01:22:11]  Not I don't like what you said.
[01:22:13]  Right.
[01:22:13]  Come to your house, find your kids on social media, talk to your kids in a restaurant at nine years old and say things that you should only say man to man.
[01:22:23]  That's new for me.
[01:22:24]  Yeah.
[01:22:25]  No, I know you had that dust up when you, with the Fredo thing.
[01:22:28]  Oh, you heard?
[01:22:29]  I heard about that.
[01:22:30]  And, you know, I feel bad for you all that.
[01:22:32]  I mean, look, believe me, I get some of this too, but I don't have a family, so I don't have to worry about kids.
[01:22:36]  Thank Christ.
[01:22:37]  A man should be able to just work as a propagandist and live his life pushing military expeditions and war in other countries.
[01:22:45]  Well, I do.
[01:22:46]  No, listen.
[01:22:48]  I will tell you, I do have some sympathy for the kid thing.
[01:22:51]  I don't think if there's a nine-year-old around or some kid around, I think you're a piece of shit if you go up and start talking shit to their parent.
[01:22:58]  Because look, like, feel however you feel about that guy.
[01:23:01]  Like, that kid doesn't deserve to watch his father about to get into some fucking damage.
[01:23:04]  But the kid might become a piece of shit, too.
[01:23:06]  They watch their dad every day.
[01:23:07]  They think their dad's the man.
[01:23:08]  And then you might be able to re-steer this kid on a better course in life.
[01:23:12]  I think you're more likely to just fucking scare the kid or traumatize him.
[01:23:16]  I highly doubt you're going to re-steer him in this confrontation.
[01:23:19]  But that being said, it's like, right.
[01:23:23]  It's hard to, when you actually think about the wars CNN has sold, it's like, oh, I mean, like, I can only spend so much time feeling bad for your kid when there's kids starving in Yemen right now and you choose to not report those facts because you're only about facts, but certain facts.
[01:23:40]  It's like, oh, okay.
[01:23:42]  And, you know, look, I certainly do think that it's like, I don't really like the personality type that like confronts Chris Cuomo.
[01:23:51]  If I ran into Chris Cuomo tomorrow, I wouldn't confront him on the street.
[01:23:54]  I'll just, you know, call him Fredo a whole bunch on the podcast.
[01:23:57]  Seems like a more adult way to handle it to me.
[01:23:59]  Anyway, let's keep playing.
[01:24:01]  But it must be horrible.
[01:24:03]  I can't imagine what that's like.
[01:24:04]  But the Fredo thing, I just got it.
[01:24:06]  What bothered me about that is that liberals have this reputation for make everything identity politics.
[01:24:11]  And Fredo, I'm sorry.
[01:24:13]  It's just not a thing.
[01:24:14]  It's just not a slur.
[01:24:16]  It's not an Italian slur.
[01:24:17]  It means dumb brother, which you're not.
[01:24:20]  But you have a brother who's the governor of New York.
[01:24:22]  That's where that came from.
[01:24:23]  I'd like to see you call him that.
[01:24:25]  See how that goes.
[01:24:26]  I'm not going to call anybody that.
[01:24:28]  Where it came from is I've dealt with this.
[01:24:30]  But it's not about ethnicity.
[01:24:33]  I think the context matters.
[01:24:34]  That is not my experience.
[01:24:35]  No.
[01:24:36]  They talk about, they call me Italian names ever since he came into office.
[01:24:41]  They started identifying me by ethnicity, mobster this, godfather that.
[01:24:45]  I see it as an extension of that.
[01:24:46]  Your father had it when he was the governor of New York.
[01:24:49]  That was one of the scuttlebutt things they would say about him, like, oh, Mario Cuomo.
[01:24:54]  He'd somehow end with the mob because he's Italian.
[01:24:56]  That's a slur on the Italians.
[01:24:58]  Fredo just means dumb brother.
[01:25:00]  Okay, we can agree to disagree.
[01:25:02]  Well, I'll tell you what's interesting about, I guess this is social progress, that you can now have an opinion about what an Italian can find offensive.
[01:25:10]  You know.
[01:25:12]  I didn't say you couldn't find it.
[01:25:14]  You can.
[01:25:16]  Look.
[01:25:16]  Okay, goodbye.
[01:25:18]  If you're using when we shake hands, you're gone.
[01:25:21]  Well, thank you.
[01:25:22]  I mean, of course.
[01:25:24]  Well, it's interesting because a lot of times white men are not allowed to have an opinion about anything.
[01:25:28]  Political correctness has a great set of things.
[01:25:34]  So this is why he is kind of good at his bullshit is because he found a way.
[01:25:39]  The way he just shakes his hand and goes, I'm a big fan, he just sucks up.
[01:25:44]  This is the thing that fucking comedians have a lot of, and I'm probably as guilty as anyone at this, is that we're all fucking narcissists.
[01:25:49]  So he just immediately starts playing to Bill Maher's ego and going, I'm a big fan and blah, blah, blah.
[01:25:54]  And gets this stupid line out, gets a reaction from the audience.
[01:25:56]  Is like, let's just get away from this fucking subject because the idea that Fredo is an Italian slur is ridiculous.
[01:26:04]  It's a ridiculous claim to make.
[01:26:06]  It's not an Italian slur.
[01:26:08]  It's a comment on you.
[01:26:10]  It's saying you're the stupid brother.
[01:26:13]  That's the point.
[01:26:14]  That you're the stupid, fucking useless brother who thinks he's smart, but is actually a fucking retard.
[01:26:19]  That's the fucking comment of Fredo.
[01:26:22]  And for him to go, like, well, I think it's actually, it really shows social progress that you can have an opinion on what an Italian should be offended by.
[01:26:29]  It's like, yeah.
[01:26:31]  What?
[01:26:32]  So Bill Maher's, it's an opinion show.
[01:26:35]  Of course he can have a fucking opinion on it.
[01:26:38]  And then Bill Maher goes, well, I guess white guys aren't supposed to have opinions on anything.
[01:26:42]  And you're like, wait, so are we removing Italian from white now?
[01:26:47]  Is that the new rules when it suits Chris Cuomo?
[01:26:50]  Okay.
[01:26:51]  So what's white?
[01:26:53]  It's not Italian.
[01:26:54]  Well, then it's not Irish either.
[01:26:56]  It's not going to be Jewish either.
[01:26:58]  How about just Catholic in general?
[01:26:59]  No?
[01:27:00]  Can it just like, what are you even talking about here?
[01:27:04]  This is like insanity.
[01:27:05]  But Bill Maher was calling him out on it and he was able to slither out of that segment.
[01:27:10]  I was almost kind of impressed.
[01:27:12]  But anyway, you know, I just like, who the fuck even cares, by the way, if it is an Italian slur or something like that?
[01:27:22]  Who the fuck cares?
[01:27:23]  The guy was insulting you.
[01:27:24]  I don't know.
[01:27:25]  My wife's Italian.
[01:27:26]  My daughter's half Italian.
[01:27:27]  It's like, is it like Fredo really something?
[01:27:30]  By the way, I was talking to her family about this.
[01:27:31]  They were all laughing about the idea that you would get offended by someone calling you Fredo.
[01:27:35]  It's like, if anything, they appreciate the fact that you're using a godfather reference.
[01:27:39]  They're like, yeah, we know what a fucking Fredo is.
[01:27:41]  This guy's a Fredo.
[01:27:43]  Anyway, so he slithers out of that pretty good.
[01:27:45]  Let's keep playing.
[01:27:46]  And how we get there has been very uneven.
[01:27:50]  And I think it's a concern for us as a society because now you have a president that once again is playing to people's questions about political correctness and not in the way that you do with this razor-sharp scalpel on when it makes sense and when it doesn't, which is part of your genius.
[01:28:07]  Finish your thought, Chris.
[01:28:09]  And Bill Maher falls for it.
[01:28:11]  Like he's joking around and he falls for it.
[01:28:13]  I would not have missed the show and phone all the way out here if I didn't think that you were the best at what you did.
[01:28:17]  Thank you.
[01:28:18]  But that's not what he does.
[01:28:20]  No.
[01:28:20]  What he does is his plays on all the prejudices that make political correctness necessary.
[01:28:25]  And, you know, we have to be careful that you don't wind up punishing the people that you need to help protect your cause.
[01:28:31]  And I think we're still finding it.
[01:28:33]  Okay, so I watched you on the LGBTQ town hall.
[01:28:36]  Yes, CNN had.
[01:28:38]  This to me says a lot about the Democrats.
[01:28:40]  Here are the Democrats doing a town hall just for the LGBT community.
[01:28:45]  Yes.
[01:28:45]  Liberal people supporting this liberal principle.
[01:28:48]  And they were interrupted by protesters who, I guess, thought they weren't going far enough.
[01:28:53]  Betto and Pete, who I believe has some credentials in the LGBT community, were both interrupted by people screaming, you know, trans lives matter.
[01:29:08]  No one was disputing this.
[01:29:10]  What did you make of that?
[01:29:11]  Here's what I made of it, because I was there.
[01:29:13]  I probably got to see.
[01:29:14]  First of all, see, this is what I think is really fascinating about this interview, right?
[01:29:18]  So they're both, this is the thing they take for granted that they don't even think about because they've never heard these terms come at them before.
[01:29:26]  And look, as somebody who I've been called for quite a while now, but it's really gotten more vicious in the last three years.
[01:29:36]  But I mean, I've been called racist and sexist.
[01:29:40]  I've been called a self-hating Jew, a Nazi sympathizer, an actual Nazi, alt-right, whatever like the latest pejorative thing is.
[01:29:49]  They've all been thrown at me for various different things, for like the crime of having people on my podcast who you don't like or having opinions that you don't like.
[01:29:57]  I've gotten called all this shit.
[01:29:59]  And it's uh, when you haven't, uh, it's maybe you're not used to it.
[01:30:05]  And when you're in the left-wing world and you think the right wing are the bad guys, you're kind of like, well, yeah, but you're just calling the bad guys bad guys.
[01:30:13]  So who cares about that?
[01:30:15]  But then when you start getting called it, you're like, whoa, they're even calling us that shit.
[01:30:19]  I mean, trans lives matter.
[01:30:22]  They're screaming at us like that was ever even in dispute.
[01:30:25]  It's like, okay, but how about when people were screaming Black Lives Matter at people on the right?
[01:30:31]  Like, how many of them were ever disputing that Black Lives Matter?
[01:30:35]  Like, what is this?
[01:30:36]  What do these statements even mean?
[01:30:38]  I don't know.
[01:30:40]  They fucking occupy Wall Street.
[01:30:42]  I remember them protesting Ron Paul and screaming about how they're against the banker bailouts.
[01:30:48]  And Ron Paul was sitting there like, wait, what?
[01:30:51]  You think I'm for the banker bailout?
[01:30:53]  They don't even care.
[01:30:54]  You're just, you're right wing.
[01:30:55]  You're a Republican.
[01:30:56]  You're the bad guy.
[01:30:57]  It's like, that's fine.
[01:30:58]  They can call him all that, calling Ron Paul racist and all the Ron Paul supporters racist and all these fucked up things.
[01:31:04]  I mean, we've been dealing with this forever.
[01:31:06]  So it's interesting to see people react to this where they go, oh, what are they talking about?
[01:31:10]  What?
[01:31:10]  But here's the thing, right?
[01:31:12]  It's well, there's a couple things.
[01:31:15]  Number one, you've endorsed this as a tactic forever.
[01:31:18]  So why wouldn't these people turn it on you?
[01:31:21]  So that's like the, it's, it's like the fucking people in the communist party, people in the Bolshevik revolution, who all of a sudden then they start fucking coming for you.
[01:31:29]  And you're like, wait, what?
[01:31:30]  Well, I know, I was a part of the fucking revolution.
[01:31:32]  What are you talking about?
[01:31:32]  It's like, well, yeah, well, you endorsed a violent revolution.
[01:31:35]  What did you think that was fucking would never turn on you?
[01:31:38]  Like, it's like keeping a fucking pit bull in your home who you train to attack and attack all your fucking neighbors.
[01:31:45]  And then one day it attacks someone in your family and you're like, whoa, whoa, what are we doing?
[01:31:49]  It's like, well, what did you think?
[01:31:50]  You thought this could never be turned on you?
[01:31:52]  You know, they make up these fake fucking groups.
[01:31:55]  It's like when they say people of color because they just want to like kind of like use every like, basically they want to like go for the non-white vote who might be aggrieved in some way in a white majority country or be more open to the, you know, kind of like systemic racist argument.
[01:32:12]  But people of color is a completely made up term.
[01:32:14]  It's just something invented.
[01:32:16]  There's no, there's nothing real about that there.
[01:32:18]  I mean, even like within like, you know, the Latino community, the Latino community is kind of a made up term.
[01:32:25]  What do you think?
[01:32:25]  Fucking Mexicans and Cubans are exactly the same?
[01:32:28]  Or Puerto Ricans and Dominicans are exactly the same?
[01:32:31]  Actually, they fucking hate each other.
[01:32:32]  Like, that's fucking the truth.
[01:32:34]  Go look at their two countries.
[01:32:35]  They don't like each other very much.
[01:32:36]  Or I guess Puerto Rico is in a country, whatever.
[01:32:39]  They fucking hate each other.
[01:32:41]  Okay.
[01:32:42]  Like the fucking, you might find that like, I don't know, whatever, like, maybe let's say Mexicans, the word socialism may be like whatever to them.
[01:32:51]  Go try that shit with the Cubans.
[01:32:53]  They're like, oh, we have a whole different association with socialism because we fucking escaped Castro.
[01:32:57]  So like there are these different groups that you're trying to make one thing and that's just within the Latino community.
[01:33:02]  What do you think?
[01:33:03]  Latinos and blacks are just the same and Native Americans.
[01:33:05]  They're all the fucking same, right?
[01:33:06]  Like everybody who's non-white is supposed to be the same.
[01:33:10]  Well, here's the same thing, right?
[01:33:11]  So you LGBT, this is a made-up thing.
[01:33:14]  They don't all go to fucking gather.
[01:33:16]  First off, and that's not even like there's any type of genetic like thing.
[01:33:20]  Gays and lesbians didn't grow up together.
[01:33:23]  They're not in a culture together.
[01:33:24]  They're not a group together.
[01:33:26]  They're actually kind of polar opposites in a way, right?
[01:33:29]  Like if you were really to construct it in a logical way, wouldn't there kind of be like gays on this side, then like straights, then lesbians over on this side?
[01:33:37]  But no, you decided to put them together and go, oh, it's LGBT.
[01:33:42]  Okay.
[01:33:43]  Well, what happened is Mayor Pete got fucking, you know, heckled by some transgender activists saying trans lives matter.
[01:33:53]  And he goes, well, Mayor Pete has some street cred in the LGBT community.
[01:33:58]  It's like, yeah, only in your mind, because that's not a real community.
[01:34:02]  Why is it that you think that gays and transgenders are the same thing?
[01:34:08]  They have nothing to do with each other.
[01:34:10]  You guys just made that up.
[01:34:11]  There's nothing.
[01:34:12]  Somebody who feels that they were born in the wrong gender, who wants to have surgery and fucking, you know what I mean?
[01:34:20]  Like all this crazy shit that like has become the fucking new normal.
[01:34:25]  What does that have to do with some dude who likes to have sex with other dudes?
[01:34:29]  It's just that you made that up.
[01:34:31]  So yeah, they're fucking protesting you guys now, even though you're doing your best to pander to them.
[01:34:38]  Sorry, deal with it.
[01:34:39]  You unleashed this thing on everybody else and now you got to fucking deal with it too.
[01:34:44]  It's interesting to see them start fucking realizing that.
[01:34:47]  But they still don't question the whole beast that they've fucking thought up.
[01:34:52]  I'll tell you this in general.
[01:34:53]  And this does not represent me, but I think represents most people on the right.
[01:34:57]  Now, it might be too late.
[01:34:58]  The toothpaste is out of the tube.
[01:34:59]  It's too late to fucking put it back in.
[01:35:01]  But I think that the vast majority of people, like Republican voters or people who would largely be considered on the right in today's society, I think they would have been fine if you had talked to them 10 years ago, certainly 20 years ago, maybe even five years ago, if you had said, hey, we can disagree on some issues, but let's not ever say that somebody's an evil person just because they disagree with us.
[01:35:24]  Let's have the conversation about the issues.
[01:35:26]  I think they would have taken you up on that in a second.
[01:35:29]  I really do.
[01:35:31]  But sorry, you guys didn't want to play that game.
[01:35:33]  You wanted to call everyone who disagreed with you a racist and a sexist.
[01:35:37]  You want to play this identity politics game.
[01:35:39]  Why are you criticizing a gay guy when you're a tranny?
[01:35:42]  You're basically all the same.
[01:35:43]  Oh, I didn't realize a white guy could have an opinion on an Italian.

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[01:35:46]  I was like, what the fuck is this?
[01:35:49]  And if you want to play this game, don't expect no one else to play back.
[01:35:54]  You know?
[01:35:55]  It's like if you're in a fucking fist fight and then all of a sudden you pull a knife out and then like that other guy runs home and gets a knife and you go, he's got a knife.
[01:36:03]  What's he doing with a knife?
[01:36:04]  Where'd this come from?
[01:36:05]  It's like, yeah, it feels a little bit different when the guy opposed to you has a knife.
[01:36:09]  Well, you started it.
[01:36:11]  It's a knife fight now.
[01:36:12]  And it's going to get bloody.
[01:36:14]  All right.
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