Dave Smith and Robbie Bernstein critique leftist power dynamics, citing the retracted Brett Kavanaugh story and double standards in Afghanistan drone coverage versus the Trump-Ukraine scandal. They debate Bill Maher and Michael Moore on progressive viability, noting Medicare for All's unpopularity despite demographic support, while Barry Weiss argues anti-Semitism stems from a "thought virus" rooted in Jesus' rejection. The hosts dismiss this as insufficient, highlighting how media bias ignores Palestinian displacement complexities and BDS goals, concluding that dismissing hostile views as irrational fails to address the real political threats facing Jewish communities today. [Automatically generated summary]
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Government Too Big00:03:59
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I just want to jam out.
I'm scared of some weed to that one.
Yeah, it's nice.
It's mellow.
I need it.
It calms me down a little bit.
I'm already amped up enough.
The old intro would just amp me up even more.
I'm going to have a goddamn heart attack.
I'm a father.
Can't do that.
No jewel today.
Yeah, no jewel.
That's right.
Good call.
Oh, hey, what's up, everybody?
Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem.
Didn't catch you there.
Snuck up on me.
Welcome.
Thanks for joining us.
I am the most consistent motherfucker you know, Dave Smith.
And as almost always, I am joined by the Flake, the Fire, the King of the Caulks, Robbie Bernstein.
What's up, my brother?
Pleasure to be here.
Well, it's good to have you.
It's good to be with you.
It's good to be with all you fine, good Christian, conservative people listening.
My debate from the Soho Forum is out.
It's up online.
Got like 10,000 views the first day, which is nice.
Yeah, so some people are interested in it.
And I thought I was, I watched back part of it.
I was pretty happy with how it came out.
Always, you know, it's always hard to do those things because you think about what you could have said differently and left this point off the table.
But I was happy, got an overwhelmingly positive response.
So thanks to everybody who watched and who said nice things.
And yeah, I thought it was a fun experience.
So go check that out.
And I will say, first day, 10,000 views.
The number one comment.
Where the fuck is Rob Bernstein's opening set?
There you go.
That was the number one comment on there.
Well, they got it up, but they got to start Mike in the crowd.
I got more laughs than that.
No, I know.
Listen, I should have warned you about this.
I've done these Soho forum debates, warm-up stuff a lot, and it always sounds like you're bombing, even when you're fucking killing.
And this is what happens in comedy when they don't mic the audience.
And it's amazing how much it changes what it feels like when there's not the laughter that there was in the room.
Anyway, it is what it is.
The crowd was a lot more lively than the video picked up in general throughout the debate.
It was fun as hell to do.
Yeah.
Oh, you were great.
You were great.
As I said in the debate, I'd never seen you be funny in front of people before.
It was amazing to watch.
I was like, holy shit.
I didn't know the kid had it in him.
No, Rob is a hilarious comedian, and you guys, I'm sure we'll see more of his stuff in the future.
But anyway, so that's up.
So go check that out.
We got a lot of cool stuff coming up.
I got some fire guests lined up.
I'm not telling you who any of them are, but I got some fire guests lined up for the show.
One that Rob just booked, one who reached out to me, who we still got to set up the details.
But I think a couple of guests who people are going to be real excited to have on the podcast.
So a lot to look forward to in the next couple weeks.
In the meantime, there were a couple stories.
There's a couple things going on that I want to comment on.
And then we got a couple videos that we were going to play and break down.
But first of all, because this week, so on Monday's episode, Lewis popped in.
We ended up spending a long time talking about the situation with our buddy Shane Gillis, hilarious comedian who got hired and fired in record time from Saturday Night Live and the crazy cancel culture nonsense that's been going on.
So we talked about that a lot.
And then Wednesday had Scott Horton on.
And so we never really covered this story, but I thought it was worth mentioning because I do think it was one of the biggest stories of 2018.
The Kavanaugh Article00:15:17
And then it popped its head up again just recently.
And of course, I'm talking about the Judge Kavanaugh New York Times article, which was interesting for several different reasons.
Of course, Kavanaugh, the whole spectacle that was the Kavanaugh confirmation hearings last year, was, I think, in many ways, you know, what it was an example of to me was a fight for power and how ugly that fight for power can get.
And I think, you know, in my opinion, in America, in American politics, speaking with a broad brush, what's considered the left and what's considered the right, it seems like when the right loses power, they bitch and moan a little bit.
And they say, you know, this is socialism or something.
But, you know, they kind of accept the fact that they lose power.
But when the left loses power, it's a different type of beast.
And I think part of this is because leftist ideology is so based on power.
It's based on authority.
You know, people say all the time, or I shouldn't say people say all the time, but people like us say all the time.
It's like, why couldn't decentralization be a compromise?
You know, it's like you try to pitch someone on the left and just go like, well, look, you know, you guys, if we just decentralize, if we just had like secession, you know, you could pretty much have everything you want in California.
But, you know, Alabama will get to do what they want to do.
If you've noticed, this is not appealing to anybody on the left.
The idea that, well, we could go live our life our way and you could go live your life your way.
That's not what their game is about.
It's about, no, everyone has to live our way.
And that's part of the reason why you see the cancel culture outrage, why you see the outrage over anybody.
It's not as if they go, hey, the fight for like, let's say, transgender rights is that transgender people have the right to have gender reassignment surgery.
You know, they have a right to hang out with people who accept them.
It's like, no, you got to recognize that that's a woman.
And you'd be like, yeah, but it's kind of a man who just had a surgery.
So I don't really recognize.
And even if they didn't have a surgery, it could just be a man who says, I identify as a woman.
They'll literally, they were calling Caitlin Jenner a woman before she got her dick cut off.
You could be like, you can literally be a man with a penis and go, I'm a woman.
And then they go, that's a woman.
And you go, no, it's a man.
And they go, hater, hateful person.
And it's like, there's something interesting about that where you're like, so you not only, like, you have to control how I think about this.
You have to control what I say and what I think.
I like to see myself as a lady who just gave birth and needs three months' paternity leave.
Yeah.
And, you know, you got the physique.
That's for sure.
It's time to get back in the gym, Rob Bernstein.
But isn't there something about that?
And it's just one example, but to me, it kind of window into the mindset of the left, which is that we, like, they, they thrive off power and control.
That's the whole thing.
And Donald Trump getting in, you see how much that drove them nuts.
I mean, I don't even think I need to expand on that much more, but Donald Trump becoming president really drove the left wing of the country nuts.
And Kavanaugh, as a Supreme Court pick, this is something where this is a lifetime appointment.
This is something that's going to affect the country for decades to come.
And they were willing to use everything, every dirty trick in the book to get him.
And it was really an amazing thing to sit back and watch.
I mean, I think at the time, what I said, what you said, what most reasonable human beings said.
Because if you showed someone your dick in high school, it's high school.
Well, you don't learn not to do that till college.
That's why you go to college.
They educate you and they let you know, hey, you can't just pull your dick out.
All right.
Here's your first 101 class.
Stop rubbing your dick on everything that moves.
All right.
And I don't know.
Maybe take some math.
Everything should be good.
You get a degree at the end of it.
Look, I will say honestly.
And this is, I was talking about this when I was on Kennedy the other night.
It's a hard thing to say publicly in today's climate.
But if you're having a private conversation with friends over a few drinks, or if you're just having an honest conversation in private with anyone, I think the vast majority of us would agree there's something to be discussed here.
But the truth is, if somebody in college rubs their dick on somebody or pulls their dick out at a party or something like that, I am 100%.
That's not, that's inexcusable behavior.
You can't do that.
You can't just pull your dick out in front of some chick.
You can't just rub your dick on some chick.
If you rubbed your dick on some chick in college and her boyfriend beat the shit out of you, not too many people are going to feel bad for you in that situation.
Be like, oh, yeah, you got your ass kicked and you deserved it.
Like, what the hell is wrong with you?
If you pulled your dick out and she reported you to the campus and you got suspended or she reported you to the authorities and you got arrested or something like that, you know, it's like, okay, I have no problem with that.
However, is it really a reasonable standard for society to say 30 years ago, a guy pulled his dick out in college or rubbed his dick on some chick in college and now we want him to lose his job?
I think most people would go, I don't know, that's a little bit funky.
That's a little bit like, and by the way, that's assuming the story happened.
We have no idea.
So now the next level is, let's assume, let's like someone's saying you pulled your dick out 30 years ago.
It's like, I'm sorry.
Wouldn't any reasonable person just go, yeah, there's nothing we can do with that information?
I'm sorry.
Especially not to a guy who just likes beers.
Yeah.
And a guy who's got calendars which prove that he wasn't pulling his dick out.
Oh, what was I doing on Tuesday?
Not pulling my dick out.
Yeah, I didn't remember.
You said it was on a Tuesday.
Why would that be every day on my calendar if I wasn't doing that?
But look, truthfully speaking, right, isn't it just the reasonable?
And we said this at the time.
But when Christine Blasey Ford comes out and she goes, this guy threw me down on a bed 36 years ago.
And you're like, okay, wow.
Like, where did this happen?
And she's like, well, I can't tell you exactly where.
I don't remember that clearly.
And you're like, well, who else saw it?
You're like, well, there were three people, but none of them can corroborate my story.
And you're like, oh, all right.
Sorry.
Like, we can't do anything with that.
I mean, I'm not saying it didn't happen.
I'm not saying it did happen.
Like, we don't know, but that's not enough to take action in any way.
I mean, again, I understand this isn't a court of law.
We're not putting a person in jail.
So it's not like you're innocent until proven guilty.
I'm just saying if we as a reasonable adult society are coming up with how we would handle that, I don't know.
It's strictly a he said, she said.
And if it did happen, it's 36 years ago.
Even if it did happen, I'm not so sure someone should lose their job for it nearly four decades later.
But, you know, there's not.
So anyway, that's just the backdrop.
That's what happened to him.
So the New York Times ran this piece about a new Kavanaugh accusation.
And it spread like wildfire.
And it was everywhere.
It's picked up by every major media outlet.
It's all over the place.
And boom.
And right away, you just go boom.
And I will say, and this is an interesting test, I just, I woke up and I see it on social media.
And then I see, you know, I Google it and, you know, you just get hits with everything, all the big, like everybody's covering it.
Everyone, you know, it's like Reuters, NBC News, CNN, blah, blah, blah, all the corporate press.
They're all covering it.
And you go, new accusation against Kavanaugh.
And my first thought was, oh, shit.
All right.
You know, I guess probably it turned out to be real.
And this guy was like doing creepy shit.
You know, it's not, none of these accusations were like, I mean, the most outlandish ones that got disproven were like, or not disproven, but just fell apart, were like, he raped people.
But most of these are just like kind of being a dickhead, you know, like jerk in college and being very inappropriate with women.
And, you know, the guy's like a fucking country club going where I think a Yale kid and all this.
So you're like, yeah, I don't know.
It's not beyond the realm of believability that like, oh, okay, yeah, maybe this guy's a jerk off.
Okay.
And then he did this shit.
And that's, but that's that.
And then I started looking into it and you realize how absurd this article was.
But what's crazy about it is that that mentality, that's how this thing works.
So if you go like one person's accusing someone, you're like, yeah, I don't know what happened.
But if they go, another person comes forward, another person comes forward.
In your mind, you just tend to go.
It's the natural human reaction is like, oh, where there's smoke, there's probably fire.
And I guess it turns out there is more.
And if they're reporting it now, it must be a slam dunk.
So immediately, as this is all reported, all these fucking Democrats start calling for him to be impeached from the Supreme Court.
Okay.
So you had Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, a couple of the other Democratic nominees.
Joe Biden didn't go quite as far.
He just said we should immediately start investigating this, which is crazy because I think Kavanaugh's already been through six or seven FBI investigations because he's a judge at that level.
But everyone jumps on it right away.
So that's where it starts for me.
The other part of that that was just wild was it was treated like, hey, we got another accusation here.
It was almost treated like the new accusation was even more credible than the old accusations.
And it's like the last time we had the accusations, we actually put it up to the test and we're like, this doesn't really, this doesn't mean anything.
So the fact that they went, oh my God, there's another accusation here.
Clearly, like, well, it's just an accusation.
That's what we found out the last time.
So let's all kind of have some calm heads about this.
And then you had that dude at the head of whatever that committee was saying that the FBI didn't fail to, 26 witnesses, fail to even question them.
Right.
And he didn't retract that after the New York Times basically retracted their article.
Right.
So here's what happens with the New York Times piece.
So you read the New York Times piece and it's like, it seems kind of flimsy.
There's this one guy who's claiming that he heard the rumors that this happened.
And there's this rumors that he rubbed his dick on some other chick back in college.
Right.
And then it starts getting reported.
So basically what's happened is these two women wrote a book about Kavanaugh.
And then they put out an article in the New York Times, kind of in a way summing up what's in the book.
Like, here's the revelations of the book.
But some people have gotten, you know, pre-release copies of the book.
So they start going through it now.
You know, they start getting passed around by different journalists and looking at it.
And people start, you know, the kind of more Republican leaning media starts pointing out that huge, very important pieces of information are missing from this New York Times article.
The major piece of information that's missing for them, which is a pretty big one, is that the woman, the alleged victim, is not claiming that this happens.
She is saying she has no memory of this happening.
And the New York Times omitted that fact.
They also put that at the very end of the book.
Well, that's another point.
We'll get to that in a second.
You're absolutely right.
So they're, and I haven't read the book, but that is what I've heard.
So they omit the fact that this woman is not claiming that this happened.
Now, I'm sorry.
That is, for that to be omitted in an article, that is a clear-cut example of lying by omission, right?
This is why in a jury trial, they say you have to tell the truth.
Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
Because not telling the whole truth can be just as bad as a flat-out lie.
You know what I mean?
Like you could imagine if you were in a criminal trial and somebody were to say, you know, Rob punched a guy in the face, but you leave out the fact that he was running at you with a knife.
And you'd be like, okay, well, you just made it seem like this guy's guilty of assault, but obviously you need the context because this is a lie by omission.
I used that same example on Ari Shafir's podcast the other day.
But so the idea that you would run a story and keep, it's not just a lie by omission.
It's an unbelievably large one.
I mean, this isn't a detail.
The detail of woman isn't saying this happened in an article about an alleged sexual assault.
It's not only a detail that would need to be included in the article.
It's a reason why you would never run the article to begin with, right?
Like, there's no point in running an article if that's what you have.
Then it also comes out later, which was not disclosed in the article, that the guy who they're saying heard about the story was a judge that, excuse me, a lawyer who was working on Bill Clinton's team while Judge Kavanaugh was working on Ken Starr's team to bring Bill Clinton around.
So there's also a whole nother thing that should have been disclosed there.
So basically, this guy's got no credibility.
The woman isn't saying it happened.
The whole story is bullshit.
The New York Times comes out and apologizes for the story.
Basically, you know, like is like, look, we fucked up on this.
And the two women who wrote the story, the authors of this book, they said their excuse was basically that it was incompetence.
That it's not that we did something malicious, just that it was incredibly incompetent.
What happened?
And it was the editor's fault.
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But to take a step back, the New York Times decided to make a time investment of taking two, I guess, I think they took two people that worked there and put them on this project for a whole year or whatever.
So that's right.
They were looking to basically put together a piece of propaganda.
Look, it's very hard to believe, if you take a step back and look at the situation, that this was negligence.
It seems very clearly that this was intentional, but it doesn't look good for you when your claim is like, no, We're just incompetent.
But we're credible journalists.
Right.
But on this one, we fucked up.
It's not, it's such a massive fuck up.
It's almost worse in some ways if you weren't being malicious and just fucked up this way.
Because the idea that, you know, you're talking about a paper on the level of the New York Times, supposed to be the biggest, most trusted newspaper, right?
And you're talking about a process where someone's, this is something that people wrote a book about.
This isn't just like an article that had to be turned out by Thursday.
This is someone, they wrote a book about it.
They put an article together summing up the important parts of their book.
It's going to go to editors, go back to them, back to editors, back to them.
There's a whole process that's supposed to go on like a journalistic standards here.
And the idea they, and what they claimed was that they put the woman's name in the article, and then the editors decided to take the woman's name out.
However, when they took the woman's name out, they also removed the part about her not claiming that this happened.
Right.
I mean, that is, that's rough.
That's tough to believe.
But I'll say, I guess we don't know for sure.
Maybe that's what happened.
But that really is not much better than if you guys were just intentionally lying by omission.
I mean, that is a level of, you know, a level of journalistic malpractice that is hard to imagine.
Hard to imagine.
Anyway, so then it comes out, which is also kind of strange into this whole thing, is that they do name this woman in the book.
So they were taking this woman's name out of an article, which is essentially promoting a book where the woman is named.
So it doesn't seem to make a lot of sense that they would protect her name from this, like, well, you're going to get named anyway.
I don't know.
Seems very strange.
And as you just mentioned earlier, there's actually some really interesting stuff in the book.
And the two biggest, I guess, things in the book would be, number one, that the woman is not claiming this happened.
So it doesn't seem like it was that big of a deal, or more likely, just never happened.
But the other thing that came out in this book, which is very funny that they write this article talking about the book, this isn't the headline.
It's buried way in the back of the book.
But evidently, Dr. Christine Ford, whose story was that she went, basically her story was, right, her and a friend went to this party, and there was Kavanaugh and two other guys there who are friends with Kavanaugh, Squeak and something.
I don't know.
And that they, you know, whatever.
So there were like these four people who could theoretically, or three people, Kavanaugh being one, who could theoretically, you know, like testify on her behalf or could theoretically verify that she was there, corroborate her story, right?
So the two guys both swear up and down this didn't happen.
But I guess if just playing devil's advocate and trying to be fair here, you wouldn't necessarily expect them to back her up, right?
Because they were kind of his friends.
And her friend said she didn't remember any of this happening.
But in the book, they reveal that they actually talked to her friend and that she doesn't believe the story.
She was straight up like, she's like, I don't think this ever happened.
So, really, what they uncovered through all of this was not only not a new story about Kavanaugh, but more damning evidence that the first one was never real to begin with.
But all of that, even after it's come out, that hasn't stopped any of these Democratic candidates, any of these Democratic Congress people, and of course, just a million blue check marks and left-wing people in general from calling for this guy to lose his job over this.
So, it really just goes to kind of show, oh, yeah, as I said in the beginning, this was all about power.
That's what this game was about.
That Nader guy, he's the real sleaze, right?
Who?
Who's the head of the committee?
Kind of looks like a Jew out of a South Park.
Oh, is it?
I don't know.
Maybe I'm blanking on his name.
The head of the Senate Judicial.
Is it something Nader?
Whatever.
I know who you're talking about.
Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
Bald guy.
No, it's kind of like a patchy comb over, like me with hair.
Yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Bald guy.
Yeah, no, I know what you're talking about.
Yeah, they're all sleaze balls.
And again, that's why I never put it past Kavanaugh.
Like, maybe he did all this shit.
I don't fucking know.
But when you look at these cases, it's like, there's no way.
There's no way this is enough for anyone to operate under the assumption that he did it.
And it's just a really, it's a really grimy thing to do, really grimy thing to do.
And it shows how low they will sink for power and how full of shit they are.
Because at least, at the very least, the people who, once the New York Times is coming out and apologizing for the peace, you would think the people who are calling for him to be impeached would be like, oh, wait, no, yeah, this is, maybe we should pull it back on that.
We really don't have enough.
But it's just like, no, there's a sexual predator on the Supreme Court.
You know, it's like, okay, you guys don't care about whether or not this is actually true.
You don't give two shits about it.
The other story that just came out more recently over the last couple days was this thing about Donald Trump's phone call to Ukrainian government officials.
And once again, this is one of the stories where it's what's actually an interesting story about this doesn't seem to get reported in the coverage.
So the story is that a whistleblower anonymously comes forward and says Donald Trump was on the phone with the Ukrainian government and he was saying inappropriate things that he shouldn't be saying.
What exactly he was saying is not released.
Who is saying this is not released?
But it becomes a scandal that Donald Trump's being asked about.
Now, anyone, again, I just think that any reasonable person would go, okay, I guess that sounds like you're building a story.
You certainly don't have a story yet.
But they're just like, no, we're going to run with that.
But the interesting thing, that it seems that, like, if this was Obama, I think it would be so obvious that they would see this right away, but it's Trump.
So they're just like, good, we're getting him on something.
But you're like, who the fuck is this whistleblower?
And what is going on where Donald Trump has people around him who are constantly trying to undermine him?
Murdered Afghan Farmers00:06:28
And Donald Trump came out in his defense of it, and he goes, he basically said, he was like, look, I know there's a million of you guys listening when I'm on these phone calls.
I would never say anything like that.
I know what's going on here.
And so it's just interesting to another little insight into what is really going on in this dynamic.
And of course, while these stories get so much coverage and so much airtime, what story happens that gets relatively small coverage compared to that?
At least it's not like at the top of a lot of these news sites.
Is, oh yeah, drone strike kills 30 people in Afghanistan.
That's just the small news.
That's just the like, oh yeah, also the U.S. government murdered a bunch of fucking farmers in the middle of Afghanistan.
You know, isn't it funny?
It's like the dynamic.
It's the empire mentality.
It's this idea that the standards that we judge people or other countries or anything like that, the United States federal government doesn't play by those same rules.
Like they're not, you know what I mean?
Like we don't have to be judged.
30 people is massive.
Yeah.
That's no small, like, that's massive.
It's a lot of people to kill.
Oh, and it was 30 people killed.
I mean, I...
And they're just sitting around eating pine nuts.
I think.
Was it pine nuts?
It was some kind of nut.
Some kind of Afghani nut.
Yeah, it was some type of just horrifically terrible sounding Afghani nut.
Hold on, let me find this out.
And they don't even come out and explain to you how they fucked that up.
They go, ah, we're looking into it.
We're looking into the claims that we killed non-combatants.
Yeah, it was pine nut farmers.
Just sounds gross.
But 30 pine nut.
Yeah, I mean, that's how you want to go out dying, eating a pine nut?
Okay, fine.
Usually you put pine nuts on something.
I can't imagine they're just having a pull upon it.
Not in Afghanistan.
You just eat it.
These pine nuts.
Thank you.
No, I haven't.
But maybe that would.
That actually sounds quite nice.
Anyway, 30 people were killed.
30, they're saying were 30 pine nut farmers.
Actually, at least 30 were killed, according to aljazeera.com.
And at least 40 others were injured.
This was a big attack.
Yeah.
How many people total died in 9-11?
Like 2,500?
Something in that ball.
Give me some perspective that, you know, we're over on the other sides of the world fighting an 18-year war because of what happened on 9-11.
And then we just blink at 40 people.
Oh, yeah.
It's like no big deal.
It's not treated like we terrorized another country.
Oh, and far more than that by an order of magnitude have been killed in that war.
But right, but it's not just that, right?
So it's right.
If they come over here and kill a bunch of us, that's, you know, terrorism.
We just attacked and killed civilians, innocent civilians, for no reason.
Now, and the other thing is like, if, let's say, Iran had done this in Saudi Arabia instead of the U.S. doing it in Afghanistan, this would be all over the news.
And it'd be a reason why the sanctions would be increased and there'd be call to wars and people would be criticizing Donald Trump for not dropping bombs on Iran fast enough.
It's this outrageous double standard and pretty much nobody, you know, no neocon, war hawk, any of those guys even denies it.
It's just like, oh, it's a given that you operate under this system where we're the good guys.
And so if we kill a bunch of people, we're like, oh, yeah, but we were trying to kill bad guys.
So it's okay.
Again, it's just, it's a very, this is the religion of the state.
It's the religion of the empire.
It's like if somebody did that to anyone you know, you know, if someone just went like, there was just like a family, like a family, like a mom, a dad, and three kids.
And then a criminal ran next to them.
And so you're like, I'm just going to murder all of them.
And you'd be like, sorry, collateral damage when I was trying to take out the one guy.
You'd be like, well, no, I mean, like, that's not acceptable because now you're as bad as that criminal.
Like, you're a murderer too now.
The whole point is that you can't do that.
But if we do that to people in Afghanistan, it's like, I don't know, man.
Now, why did this story actually come out?
I feel like there's been instances in the past where you've killed people from drones and usually don't get those stories at all.
I haven't really seen any news stories in the past of.
Oh, no, it comes out sometimes.
No, but usually the number just comes out where you go, oh, yeah, two years ago we killed 165 people.
And you're like, really?
But I've never seen, hey, last week, blink instantly.
I've seen it before.
Once with the wedding.
I can think of one other case where there was that wedding.
No, I've seen it.
I've seen it several times.
It depends on how many reporters are actually on the ground and what they can figure out and what other people have.
Now, there have been, by the way, we were denying the whole drone warfare for a while to begin with.
And what happened was, and this was years ago when it was like crummy little like cell phone, grainy cell phone pictures.
But in Yemen, they started getting pictures of drones.
And they were like, yeah, this is U.S. technology.
And then the government basically was like, okay, yeah.
That's probably what happened here is the absolutely.
They know they couldn't deny it.
They're like, ass shit.
If they can deny it, they'll try to deny it.
And this happens all the time, too.
No, listen, let's get real.
The amount of dead from war is far higher than what the United States government ever admits that it is.
But in this case, they must have had enough of a thing where there's no plausible deniability here.
How do they have these fuck-ups?
Like, how do they, they don't even answer, like, how did you manage to kill 40 pineapp farmers?
What do you think you were targeting?
I think that a lot of times they rely, I don't know the details of this case exactly, but a lot of times they rely on human intelligence sources that are not very reliable.
So this guy says this is an ISIS hideout.
They rely on, you know, different pieces of evidence that aren't great.
And then they're like, okay, let's strike.
And then you find out later, oh, shit, that's not what it was at all.
This happens over and over again.
And it's really, you know, it's sickening.
And it's again, it's like even General McChrystal said that whole thing about terrorist math or insurgent math.
And it was like, I forget what it was, but he goes, what's, he goes, what's 10 minus 2?
And the reporter was like, 8.
And he was like, no, not an insurgent math.
An insurgent math, 10 minus 2 is 20.
Because you killed two, you killed a bunch of other.
So if you have a list of people you want to take off your list and you're like, okay, we got three of them off the list.
They're like, well, here's a list with 20 more people on it because you also killed three innocent kids and their whole family are now joining the insurgents and all this stuff.
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It's basic blowback 101.
You just create more enemies.
You make a bigger and bigger conflict.
And, you know, like any just like common sense would tell you, you're probably not going to improve a situation by dropping bombs on it.
Anyway, yeah, longest war in American history.
This is what we got to show for it.
Just, you know, was it two American servicemen have been killed in the last few weeks there and 30 fucking farmers who never did shit to us, never posed any threat to us.
They're just fucking gone.
40 other people injured.
Lives lost.
Other lives ruined.
Families destroyed.
For what?
Because we don't have the balls to admit this fucking war is stupid and we can't win.
And as Scott Horton said on the show the other day, he goes, most, just about everyone will acknowledge, they'll be like, there is no military solution in Afghanistan.
So we're literally murdering people to save face.
He goes, well, I don't know.
It's not politically feasible to come home.
So we're staying.
Pretty disgusting.
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I was, you know, so the other day I was on Legion of Skanks doing the show with Jay and Lewis, and I think it was Lewis who had pulled up, or maybe it was Jay, I can't remember, but one of them had brought up a Bill Maher clip where he's going off about fat people.
And it was great, really, really great.
We watched the clip on the show, and he was making a point that I think is a really, really great point that doesn't get brought up nearly enough, but he was talking about the healthcare and how this is the Democrats' number one issue, and how nobody talks about in the healthcare debate the fact that something like 70% of the costs associated are preventable.
And the real problem in America with healthcare is that we're fat.
And like, no one really seems to talk about this in a serious way, that it's like, you know, like there's a lot of individual control over that.
And all of these, you know, like diabetes, you know, cancers, all the obesity-related illnesses, it's like a huge thing.
And he said, you know, at one point, I forget the exact numbers, but he was like, hey, he goes, you know, 40 people died in mass shootings last month.
It's terrible.
Like 40,000 died for obesity-related deaths.
So what are we, why are we like spending so much energy on this and none of that?
And he did it in this beautiful way.
It was really funny.
And it was great because I've said many times on the show, I used to really love Bill Maher as a kid.
It was kind of nice.
When he nails something, he's really good.
And it kind of inspired me.
I was like, you know, I haven't watched Bill Maher's show in forever.
The last couple of times I'd watched it, it was like just pissing me off.
And I stopped.
But I was like, hey, you know, I have HBO.
Let me go fucking go to HBO on Demand and watch an episode of real time and just check in.
And so I watched an episode of Real Time and it was great.
Not great, like they're nailing it.
Great, like, oh, this is going to be great content to fucking make fun of on the podcast.
That type of great.
So there were two segments of the show.
Both of them I just thought I was like, I really think there's something to discuss here.
And this is from last week's Real Time with Bill Maher.
And the opening interview, if you don't know the show with Bill Maher, right?
He usually does like a little monologue.
Then he has a one-on-one interview with someone, then a panel, and then a guest after the panel.
So his opening interview was with Michael Moore, as you know, the fucking fat, dumb communist.
And so Michael Moore, what was the old Greg Giraldo bit on Michael Moore?
If you remember that he said, he was like, you know, if you're going to be the leader of criticizing the excesses of American capitalism, you probably shouldn't be a 400-pound monster.
But anyway, so Michael Moore was on Bill Maher's show and the conversation got very interested.
And, you know, a lot of times, and this is true kind of across the board with people who are interested in politics in America today, where because of the internet and because of the different news outlets, people get more and more enclosed into like echo chambers.
I'm sure we're guilty of that to some degree too.
We pay attention to other news sources to kind of bash them or to learn what's going on.
But more and more people, and it's dangerous because people already have these kind of neurological malfunctions like confirmation bias and cognitive dissidence and things like that.
So if you, you know, people like to go to news sources that are going to re, you know, like give them a nice confirmation bias high.
They're going to tell you what you already believe is right, you know?
And if somebody's going to tell you everything you believe is wrong, people tend to kind of shy away from that.
So a lot of people who are like free market libertarian types, you end up going to a lot of people who are going to, you know, are already on that side, which is great.
I have no problem with that.
But I think it's worthwhile and sometimes interesting to go, oh, like, oh, what are the, what is the average kind of mainstream Democrat thinking about what's going on in the political world today and where are they at in their mind?
And it's, it's interesting for me to try to get into the heads of these people and be like, oh, wow, how do you, you know, how are we looking at the same things and seeing them so differently?
And I think Bill Maher and Michael Moore really do, in a lot of ways, represent pretty mainstream Democratic views.
I mean, Michael Moore, you know, used to pose like he was some radical, but he really never was.
He was just kind of a mainstream Democrat guy.
And Bill Maher used to pose like an independent thinker, but really has just become a mainstream Democrat guy, I guess with a couple little exceptions.
But anyway, so let's play this clip and we'll go through it.
And I think there's a lot of fun here.
So here is Michael Moore on Bill Maher, on real time with Bill Maher.
What we need is a change.
So it's not just getting rid of Trump.
I don't know if you agree with all the polls that we've seen.
There's at least four or five of the candidates that show in every poll they would beat Trump.
If put up against Trump in the poll.
But we're only playing intra-squad games now.
We haven't faced the real.
This is like, you watch Training Camp with the...
Yeah.
Okay.
No, you don't.
You watch that show on HBO?
Oh, I love it.
I watch the bachelor app, too.
So don't take me out too much of value.
But, you know, the quarterback wears a red shirt.
They're playing in shorts.
This is not the campaign.
We're going to be fighting against Donald Trump.
Right.
So it kind of doesn't matter, right?
You're afraid.
You're afraid that some of these candidates, if they say that there should be Medicare for all or that college should be free or whatever, that this is going to hurt us.
It's not going to hurt us because the American public...
See, Bill, this is the thing that's really, I wanted to talk to you about.
Who's us?
Yeah, that's who is the us.
Right.
The American people.
Well, it's both.
You and I have fought for years to get the country where it is now.
The majority of the, you talked about climate change 20 years ago.
You talked about so many things, legalizing marijuana.
The fact that that's just happening in one state after another.
Now, you were ahead of the curve for so many years.
We fought for these things.
No, we fought for these things.
The minimum wage.
I'll tell you what Bill Maher believes in.
The minimum wage should not be $7.25 an hour.
Of course, we're down the whole list.
Women should be paid the same.
But wait, but let's go to the drop.
All right, let's pause it right there.
Why?
So Michael Moore starts by saying, look, like five of the candidates are beating Donald Trump one-on-one in the polls.
And Bill Maher kind of shrugs this off.
And Bill Maher is completely right.
He's completely right too.
And what Bill Maher says is, number one, the season hasn't even started yet.
Like this isn't the real fight.
And that's a very good point.
The other thing that you would have to keep in mind is that, you know, it's a very different thing to poll, would you like the fifth guy in the race against Donald Trump?
And then when that guy actually becomes the number one guy in the race and we really start like examining that guy, the other thing should be mentioned in this, national polls don't mean anything.
Oh, we just learned that one.
Well, yeah, but it's not even just they don't, it doesn't mean anything.
It's like Hillary Clinton did get more votes than Donald Trump.
That's not what it's about.
It's about the Electoral College and the state-by-state races.
So none of these national polls, they're literally meaningless.
They're just, I mean, you could talk about them or see where the country's at, but it has nothing to do with who's going to be president.
And what Bill Maher then starts getting at is that there are these issues that he's a little bit worried that the Democrats are running on.
Now, anybody who's not just a left-wing ideologue should notice this dynamic.
It's like, wow, the Democrats are really committing to some issues that aren't that popular with the mainstream of America.
And then what Michael Moore goes to, he's like, oh, come on, the country's with us.
The country thinks the minimum wage should be higher.
It's like, okay, maybe they do.
That's quite possible.
I mean, they're wrong, but whatever.
Maybe the majority does think the minimum wage should be higher.
That's not the view anybody's talking about when they talk about the issues the Democrats are jumping on board with that are wildly unpopular.
And then he says, people think women should be paid the same amount for the same work.
And you're just like, okay, I mean, do we even need to respond to this anymore?
They are.
It's been illegal since 1968, the Equal Pay Act.
It's illegal to not pay women the same for the same work.
But anyway, okay.
Yes, the majority of the country is with you.
You know, they're also for the civil rights bill, but that also got handled in the 60s.
Anyway, so that's where we are right now.
And you see right away, Michael Moore starts with this.
Look, five of them beat him in the polls right now.
Let's go hard.
Let's go hard left because the country's with us and all these guys are going to beat Donald Trump.
So we're going to beat Donald Trump.
Let's not only beat him, let's really implement all of the views that me and you believe in.
Bill Maher, a little bit more hesitant.
So already an interesting kind of dynamic.
Let's keep playing.
Pull back now, Bill.
Let's go to the center because he's safe.
Because the country isn't there.
Because I'm sorry, you're lumping a lot of vague shit together.
The country is for raising the minimum wage, of course.
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The country is not for Medicare for all.
As soon as you ask the question, get rid of private health insurance.
I mean, Barack Obama said, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor, which turned out to be not true for only 2% of the population.
And the whole country went apeshit about the 2%.
Now are you going to take away everybody's?
Well, completely get rid of private.
Even though there were so many things to fix about Obamacare.
They don't like that.
People don't like that.
No, they like the fact that their 26-year-old can still be covered.
That's Obamacare.
That's Obama.
I like the things about Obamacare, but it didn't go far enough.
And we've got 30 million people that are uninsured.
We've got 50 more million.
Let's pause it for a second there.
That is the Nancy Avellosi.
You know, first off, of course, I have to say, I always find it funny when people talk about how people like a government benefit.
It's like, well, right.
I mean, yeah.
It's like if I robbed you and gave the money to Brian and I go, yeah, well, just go ask Brian what he thinks about this plan.
He says he likes the benefits.
Like, well, yeah, I mean, people like getting stuff.
That's the more adult question in my mind.
The more pressing question, obviously, would be, let's talk to Rob.
You know, how does Rob feel about the situation where he's being mugged in order to pay somebody else?
I was going to say robbed, but it just Rob being robbed didn't roll off the tongue.
Well, anyway, the thing, when people say, you know, that your 26-year-old can stay on their parents' health care plan, and a lot of people like that.
I'm sure.
I'm sure that a lot of people who have a 26-year-old like the idea that they can keep him on their insurance, right?
But how could you be discussing this?
How do you take a step back and be talking about this and not get at the underlying problem there?
I mean, don't you think you're just dealing with a symptom level issue if you say, yeah, well, you know, a 26-year-old can now stay on their parents' health insurance.
I mean, my first question would be like, why, why do 26-year-olds need to be on their parents' health insurance?
I mean, what the fuck is going on where a 26-year-old is not independent enough that they can provide for themselves?
I mean, historically speaking, a 26-year-old, you'd be like married, going on like your second or third kid at that point.
I understand that's not the world we live in today completely.
A lot of that's because we're wealthier than we used to be.
But if we're wealthier than we used to be, why the hell can't somebody who's 26 go out in the market and get some health insurance for themselves, take responsibility for their own lives?
I mean, a 26-year-old has been out of college.
I mean, been out of high school for what, eight years?
Been out of high school for eight years.
The government has you from age five all the way through age 18.
And here it is eight years later, and you still can't even take care of your, you still can't be responsible for yourself.
If they went to college and got another four years, then okay, what have they been out for five years of college?
Five years out of college and you still don't have like a job that can support yourself?
Isn't that the bigger question, the bigger issue there?
I mean, okay.
Like if you, if you were a, um, you know, I mean, historically 17 year olds have like gone to war.
You know, 26 is like when you'd be telling stories of years ago, you know, nine years ago when I got in the war, things were crazy.
And now that instead of going nine years ago, I was fighting in NAM.
Now you're going, I just got to call my mom and see if she can get me a referral for this.
Like, wow, that's, that's kind of depressing.
I, I mean, I think in any situation, if a 26-year-old is dependent on their mom for something, the question isn't like, how can we make sure this 26-year-old is covered?
The question is like, whoa, what's going on here?
What's happening?
Why is this kid not independent?
I mean, kid isn't even the proper term.
This is an adult.
So that's your question.
And of course, I think the answer would come down to the fact that healthcare prices are outrageously inflated.
Healthcare is incredibly expensive.
I mean, if you were like a 26-year-old, you know, can't, I don't know, buy his own shoes or something like that, right?
I think all of us would pretty much agree.
They'd be like, well, no, like, no one thinks we should go to the government and they should be like, that should be covered.
It'd be like, you need to get your life together.
Go get a fucking job.
Pay for your shoes.
I don't know what to say, right?
And why is that?
Because they're reasonably priced.
If something's reasonably priced, you go, yeah, I think you should be able to like kind of handle this yourself.
And so, no, like the problem is that you can't reasonably expect a 26-year-old to assume their own medical bills.
Well, why is that?
And then the answer is because the prices are so high.
And then you would go, well, why is that?
Why are the prices so high?
And even when Bill Maher said, he goes, oh, it was only like 2, 3% of people who couldn't keep their insurance.
It's like, well, okay, but we live in a country of hundreds of millions of people.
So that's actually a lot of people.
So it's a lot of people, you know, hundreds of thousands of people who couldn't keep their insurance and couldn't keep their doctor.
So if you look them in the face and say, if you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance.
You like your doctor, you can keep it.
And they get kicked out, you know, it's reasonable to be mad.
And the other thing is that Obamacare basically illegalized all of the catastrophe insurance, which is exactly what a 26-year-old would want.
That's exactly what a 26-year-old would want is be like, look, you're not some fucking 80-year-old who needs to go get fucking everything checked every two months to make sure you're dying a little bit slower than you were last time they saw you.
You're like, you know, I want some coverage in case I get hit by a car and I got crazy medical bills.
That's all.
And all of that stuff is illegal now because of Obamacare.
So this is just one more example where the government regulation creates the problem.
And then they're like, but people like the government bailouts.
Like, okay.
But how could you even talk about that?
It's like if there was some rule that goes, oh, look, I've just come up with some rule that allows 35-year-olds to still live at home.
And they'd be like, a lot of people don't want to lose that.
But when you go like, well, but why are 35-year-olds living at home?
Right?
Seems like the obvious question.
And how can you convince their parents to stop keeping Sabbath so that they can go do that?
Yeah, there you go.
Robbie Bernstein coming in hot.
Solve those issues.
Robbie Bernstein trying to move backward in life.
Rob's aspirations are to get back in his mom's own.
Yeah, just convince him that they don't want to keep Sabbath.
I'll go right back there tomorrow.
Could you just tell her to be cool, stop complaining about smelling pot?
I can only tell her the neighbors are smoking pot so much.
Rob, does it smell like pot in here?
I know these fucking neighbors, mom.
I think they're blowing it right into my room.
I don't know what's going on.
All right, let's keep playing.
He points out Obamacare is a better benefit.
The Medicare for All doesn't pay for catastrophic.
You got to do that yourself.
Look, Bill, we're going to beat Trump.
We're going to beat Trump.
Well, that's not a helpful thing to say.
No, it isn't.
No, I'm not predicting it.
I know.
No, no.
No, you're not talking.
We're the two guys who said Trump was going to win.
And I'll say if the election were tonight.
If the election were tonight, Trump would win.
How about that?
All right.
That's how dangerous it is.
Because everybody is so.
See, look at the same reaction when I said that three years ago.
Let's pause it.
No.
So.
I don't know what's going on here.
Basically, Bill Maher just starts calling him on his bullshit, and Michael Moore completely just caves in the middle of the interview and goes the other direction.
He goes, No, no, no, look.
If the election was today, Donald Trump would win.
He goes, Well, then why were you citing those polls at the beginning saying five of these people like him?
And the thing is, you know, Michael Moore, it's so funny because people just kind of know in their guts.
And I think anybody, I shouldn't say anybody.
I stopped saying it like that.
But a lot of people, let's say, when they've watched the Democrat debates, were like, holy shit, these Democrats are like trying to blow this election.
And Michael Moore can go, no, no, no, what are you talking about?
People really like Medicare for All.
And as Bill Maher points out, it's like, yeah, no, actually, they don't.
If you just ask in a poll, do you like Medicare for All?
People say yes.
But if you ask, do you like Medicare for all?
And you also have to all private insurance is illegal, they say no.
If you go, do you like Medicare for all, but your taxes are going to go up 10%?
They say no.
So it's not, if anyone is actually pushing back on Medicare for all, it becomes very unpopular.
But he's like, well, the minimum wage is popular and women getting equal pay is popular.
Okay.
Okay.
Right.
How about open borders?
How popular do you think that is?
How popular is it to abolish ICE?
How popular is it to decriminalize illegal entry into the country?
How popular is it to couple that policy with free health care for illegal aliens?
Hmm?
How popular is what's it called?
How popular is what's the word I'm looking for?
For slavery, fucking what's it called?
Yeah, reparations for slavery.
How popular is that?
Reparations for slavery.
How popular is it for the federal government to go door to door in Texas and take people's guns back?
Hmm.
Now, this is all stuff that's been talked about in the Democrat debates.
Now, how about those policies?
How popular?
How well do you think they play?
Ask yourself that, Michael Moore.
Not very is the answer.
All right, let's keep playing.
Oh, no, don't say that.
You have to respect the evil genius of this guy and how he gets away with every fucking thing.
Okay, so here's an interesting thing.
He will get away with us if we don't.
Ainu and I and others start fighting, fighting for the progressive things that we believe.
He wants to make the squad the face of the Democratic Party.
I know one other person who wants to do that, you.
Yes, we'll win.
We'll win.
The squad?
Let me tell you: 70% of the people who are going to vote next year are either women, people of color, or young adults between 18 and 35.
That's 70% of the electorate.
Women, people of color, young adults.
We should be appealing to them.
And if you're saying you don't like those women because they're, you know, you disagree with a policy thing.
Yes, exactly.
What do you say?
They are not popular.
They're going to hate the police.
They're not popular.
That's not true.
Young people love them.
People of color love them.
Women love them.
I'll say it again.
70% of the electorates.
Of the entire electorate.
Not one of them has an approval rating above 25%.
So you're making this up.
They're not beloved.
All right.
Pause it right there.
Because they don't believe that.
Is that not an amazing moment?
He's absolutely right.
He goes, of all of them, none of them have a national amongst the voting population.
None of them are an approval above 25%.
And Michael Moore's just looking there.
Women love them.
People of color love them.
This and that.
It's like, okay, so why is their approval rate so low?
And it's funny is that the audience starts clapping when Michael Moore says this.
This is a Bill Maher's liberal audience.
And then Bill Maher goes, you know, three out of four people despise these women.
Just technically speaking, it sounds like I don't think when he's saying, all right, I think Michael Moore is saying that these policies would be popular because if you look at the voting demographics, women, minorities, and young kids would all like a more progressive policy.
Man, he's really making a case for libertarians to hate women, minority, and young people.
I'm not saying any, yes, because he's literally saying, hey, these are the voting demographics now, so we can actually win with these policies.
He's actually not, to me, we can rewind, maybe I'm misunderstanding him.
He's saying that the policies that these people represent would be popular.
He's not actually an individual.
He said is what Bill Maher said is that Trump wants to make the face of the opposition the squad.
He said, I only know one other person who wants to do that, you.
And Michael Moore responds, yes, we'll win.
So he is kind of actually saying that if they are made the opposition, we'll win.
And he is spectacularly wrong about that.
Right.
Well, the Bill Maher stat is great.
25%.
Yeah.
You ever see like AOC's like national popularity?
AOC can only win in her South Bronx district.
That's where she wins.
She's not winning the fucking whole country.
And what's even more, it's not that.
But here's part of the picture on that.
Like in even in the list that the FATS, what's his name?
Michael Moore.
Michael Moore says there.
So he doesn't mention the Green New Deal.
So I bet like if you remove the Green New Deal from AOC's policies, I bet she becomes more likable nationally.
Well, maybe.
But if you remove the Israel stuff from the Zoom, yes, but here's the thing is that almost all of the presidential candidates have signed on to the Green New Deal in one way or another.
Right.
These things are not going to be popular national.
So they are actually signing on to these policies.
He may not have mentioned it because that one isn't going to help his argument here.
But these are the policies that are going to be the problems.
I mean, he didn't mention any of the policies.
Oh, here's the other very misleading thing about what he's saying: is he's saying that 70% of the potential voters would be interested in these progressive policies.
That's probably a very different stat to.
I think a high, I'm just guessing that a higher percentage of old people actually show up to vote.
Oh, no, you're absolutely right about that.
So the idea of saying, hey, we can win because 70% of the potential voters like this is a very different concept of the actual voting people to show up.
Well, that's for sure.
But it's also what really, what it really ignores, and this is part of the reason why I pointed out before when I said, you know, you could say like all these national polls, or this is what the percentage of people are.
If you talk about, you know, the percentage of the Latino vote or the percentage of the black vote or female vote or whatever, well, it's like, well, look, I mean, okay, you talk about the percentage of the Latino vote, but it's like, how much of that is accounted for just in like California?
Doesn't matter.
That's already a blue state.
That's not where you're competing.
Where you're competing, where Donald Trump won the election is like the Rust Belt, these swing states.
You're talking about states where it's like, oh, no, none of that is going to be the difference maker.
Right.
So do you think AOC is going to swing any of those swing states back into the Democrats' favor?
Once you actually start looking at the electoral map, you go, oh, no, no, no, this is suicide.
This is going to be the difference.
That's not going to swing Florida back in your favor.
That's not going to swing fucking, you know, like Virginia or any of these swing states.
So it's very, very bad.
Can I just take a step back here?
What's the game that they're playing?
So Michael Moore is trying to argue that very progressive policies could win a national election.
And Bill Maher is trying to say, hey, we got to ditch some of these super progressive policies because it's going to cost the election.
Well, Michael Moore is kind of waffling around.
So I don't know exactly what he's saying.
Guy also loves waffles.
But what Michael Moore was starting by saying more or less was like, look, we're going to beat Donald Trump.
We're going to win.
And the country is very progressive.
So we need to go hard progressive and not meet in the center.
We need to go hard progressive.
And Bill Maher's like, no, actually, we should meet in the center because the country isn't this far left.
And we want to beat Donald Trump.
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So let's not say all this crazy shit that most people actually don't want.
That's more or less Bill Maher's point, I think.
Let's play the rest.
That a lot of people believe in.
Like what?
Not Medicare for all.
And people do believe in Medicare for all.
People do believe it.
I know you've got your polls.
I've got my poll right.
But I'm calling it.
People, people think that this.
How hilarious is that?
Listen, you got your polls and I got my.
Wait, that's not the way statistics work.
No.
Like, it's either we have numbers that support this.
But what it is, is what I was saying before.
He's like, so if you just ask, do you like Medicare for all?
You get like a majority of people who like it.
If you say, do you like Medicare for all, but you've got to lose your insurance, not as many people like it.
If you go, you like Medicare for all, but you got to lose your insurance and your taxes go up.
Very few people like it.
So he goes, well, I got my poll.
You got your poll.
But the thing is, your poll isn't fucking, doesn't actually mean anything.
Because if someone's running on Medicare for all and someone's running against it, they're going to press you on that issue.
You already see this happening with Kamala Harris, with Bernie Sanders, with all these guys.
Once they're pressed on their Medicare for all plan, it gets less and less less.
This is why they don't want to talk about it.
They want to just go Medicare for all.
Everyone's covered.
You know, just like the way Medicare is, everybody gets it.
That's it.
Yeah, no questions.
It's like, okay.
And then somebody at one of the moderators goes, yeah, but this is going to cost $32 trillion.
Where are we getting this $32 trillion from?
And they're like, this is a Republican talking point.
Well, how are we going to pay for it?
Republican talking point.
Wouldn't that be amazing if you could just use that in your everyday life?
Like if I just went to my wife and I was just like, baby, we're going on vacation for six months next year, six months of the year.
I'm taking off work and we're going on vacation.
And she goes, wait, how are we going to pay for that?
And I go, that's a Republican talking point, baby.
Don't ever bring Republican talking points into this marriage.
Now quit your job.
I'm quitting my job.
We're getting the hell out of here.
That's, you know, that'd be a nice, nice way to live life.
The Bernie Sanders way.
All right, let's keep playing.
That's why all the candidates have tried to sign on, but they didn't like it when they called Nancy Pelosi a racist.
You know, they think they go too far.
And I think they go too far in a number of issues.
Guess what?
And some young people go too far.
You know, this thing where we're always, you are always romanticizing the young people.
Everybody looks good when they're young because they're not in power.
They don't have to make decisions.
But they're so perfect.
They're so innocent.
And you know what?
When they get to our age, they'll be assholes too.
Because when you get like every generation, Mike, every generation.
This veneration of the young.
Yes, of course, everyone's idealistic at that age.
And then you have to pay taxes and you raise a family.
You have to find a way to put food on the table.
You have to do all this shit.
And you get near money and you like it and it corrupts you.
Do you think they're going to be as innocent as everybody else?
That's the great thing is that we were young.
There's so many of us at our age now.
We were hippies.
And then they voted for Reagan.
And now, and now, no.
Some of them did.
He got elected.
If you were 55 years old in 1980 and you voted for Reagan, you're dead.
Okay.
No, don't put down what our generation and the people that came after us did.
We actually, we held on to our values, and that's why gay people can get married.
You're training our generation.
No, you're making it sound like, you know, young people, it's going to get tough for you and it's going to be awful.
And then you're going to get more conservative.
They are.
No, they're no.
Our generation is not more conservative.
We live in a liberal country.
The majority of Americans, I'll go through it again, Bill, agree with us.
I'm a minimum wage, mass incarceration, women's rights.
I agree.
Pro-choice.
They're with us right now.
Why not take the moment when we're in power and use it in this election?
Let me ask you.
Pause it right there for a second.
There's something really infuriating about boomers bragging about how great they are because we got gay marriage.
It's like, no, come on.
Look how awesome our generation is.
The gays can get married.
It's like, okay.
I mean, even if I grant you that gay people should be allowed to get married, like you guys inherited the biggest, like the biggest windfall ever.
I mean, you inherited the greatest country that's ever been created, the highest standard of living that's ever been created.
And you put us on a path to national suicide.
You bankrupted the next three generations for your present consumption.
And like, what did you guys do?
The family unit was destroyed under your watch.
An epidemic of single motherhood, drug problems, all these like horrific government policies that you didn't like fucking do anything to stop or at least like allowed to continue.
They brag about what a great generation you were.
They're so proud of themselves because they're less racist than their grandfathers were.
It's like, yeah, okay, you are.
And generally speaking, I think that's a good thing.
But like previous generations sacrificed a lot for you to have what you have.
And that's just the reality of the situation.
If anyone in Michael Moore's generation had to go back and live the way they lived two, three generations or even one generation before them, they'd be like, man, life is a lot harder.
People came over to this country.
Many of the people who immigrated over, probably both of our families had people who came over to this country and worked really, really hard, had really difficult lives.
And they were happy to do that because they knew their kids would have a better life, their kids would have a better life.
Like that's kind of how we're all here.
It's pretty much the story of just about all of us.
Most people in America today, you don't have to go back too far to find a story where it's just, holy shit, this guy, like that guy's life was so fucking hard compared to what mine was.
I mean, I know, you know, like I've told the story about my grandfather before and what a hard life he had.
My wife's grandfather, I think I might have told that story on the podcast too.
I mean, I was talking to this guy.
He's in his 90s now.
And really cool, he met our daughter, which is really cool.
I never met any of my great-grandparents, but they've met a couple times.
And, you know, he's 96, I think, now.
So he's, you know, he's doing about as good as you could do at 96, but he's fucking 96.
But he was telling me like stories about his life.
The guy was like, you know, like, grew up in the, like, he was lived through the depression.
His family, one of the, they were like a family of nine, and one of the kids got sick and died.
And his mother just like really fell to pieces after that.
And his father couldn't handle eight kids by himself.
So they got like put into an orphanage.
And it was just like he got into the Navy and he fought in World War II.
And he said the Navy was like the best time of his life.
Like once he got into the Navy, even though they had to go to war, he was like, he got three meals a day because he got three meals a day and like you got a bed and it was like unbelievable.
Like that was a big thing to him that you got to eat every day.
It's like that's how hard their lives were.
That wartime was almost like, oh, yeah, this really ain't so bad.
We're kind of at war all the time.
So, you know, what like we most people in our generation can't even comprehend this.
And so many of these people were happy to do this, work their fingers to the bone so that the next generation could have it a little better.
So to the baby boomers, it's like, so what exactly did you do for the next generation?
What did you sacrifice to pass on to your children and grandchildren's generation?
What would you say?
Well, the gays can get married.
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That's what you're telling them?
That's what you're bragging about?
I mean, again, I'm, you know, okay, gays can get married, fine.
But like, it's just this confidence.
Like, we did it.
And then even Bill Maher's like, but didn't we vote for Reagan?
Like, is this really sad?
It's like, no, we didn't do that.
We didn't.
Didn't you win 49 states in a landslide reelection?
I mean, some of you guys did it.
No?
Oh, that was just old people.
What's old people?
We won 49 states.
I don't think it was just old people.
He carried California.
All right.
Also, I love that he attributes people becoming conservative to bitterness and not to wisdom.
Of course.
There's no concept that aging might bring you insight or wisdom.
It's entirely that life becomes so harsh that you become a schmuck as you age.
Right.
Because as everybody knows, right, as everyone knows, you're so much wiser at 19 than you are at 50, right?
Yeah, come on.
What are we kidding here?
It's like, and I do agree with Bill Maher where it's like this kind of worship of the young, I think it's something really backward in our society.
Most societies historically have like, you know, worshiped the old, the wise ones.
You know, like those are the ones you want to learn from, you want to talk to, you want to take their advice seriously.
Who the fuck wants to take a 20-year-old's advice seriously?
I don't know what the hell you're talking about.
I apologize to the 20-year-olds listening here, but believe me, in 10 years, you're going to be a lot wiser than you are now.
There's nobody I know at 30 who's not like, you know, a lot wiser than they were at 20.
If you're not, you probably died from a drug overdose or something.
If you're alive at 30, you're probably a lot wiser than you were at 20.
All right, let's play the rest of this.
You don't want to do that.
I want to talk about how I met in Michigan, how we turned things in November.
Is that okay, guys?
Okay.
I just want to give you an example.
Michigan went red in 2016, voted for Trump.
Myself, my friends, a whole bunch of other people in Michigan said, this is embarrassing.
We have to turn this around.
So what we did was we decided to go with ballot proposals last November.
We got two ballot proposals that were targeted to get out the youth vote and targeted to get out the thousands of African Americans who stayed home and didn't vote for Hillary in 2016.
And so we put a gerrymandering proposal on the ballot to make gerrymandering illegal.
And we put a legalized marijuana proposal on the ballot.
I've been out for that for a long time.
Okay.
And we passed, we passed both of those ballot proposals.
But what it really did was we doubled the number of young people who came out to vote from the last off-year election in 2014.
And we brought out thousands of African Americans who had had it and stayed home because they didn't want to vote for it.
If we want to win next year, if we get ballot proposals on in the swing states that will bring out young people, free college, minimum wage, that will bring out African Americans, how about the states that don't have the Equal Rights Amendment for women?
Okay, let's put those on the ballot next year and let's have millions of more women come out.
This is how we win.
Yeah.
I mean, you're fighting an election that isn't the real election because no matter how many people come out in those kind of places, that's California.
You can win by 5 million votes in California.
It won't matter because you have to win Wisconsin and Michigan.
We are going to win if we do these things.
We can win.
We don't even.
You're not Nostradamus.
Well, I know that.
I know that Bernie, Bernie, and the Bernie won Michigan and Bernie won Wisconsin.
And then she wouldn't go there.
But the last guy that really won big was Barack Obama.
He was a centrist.
No, he wasn't.
He governed as a centrist.
He ran as a populist.
No, he didn't.
He ran.
He ran.
I voted into that bill.
I went as a centrist.
No.
You just saw him.
I voted him for him.
I went in the voting booth and on the ballot, it said Barack Hussein Obama.
That's not a policy.
No, but if you're playing it safe, you don't put fucking Hussein on the ballot.
I don't think it was up to him.
He's a centrist.
I don't think he's like to call himself Hussein.
Yes, it may not have been up to him whose name got on the ballot.
No, the candidate has to sign off, whether you're William Jefferson Clinton or Bill Clinton.
Yes, it's up to the candidate.
If you're telling me that Obama purposely put Hussein on the ballot, yes, he did it to get votes.
We'll have to have that discussion another time.
He did it because he had courage.
Put your money where your mouth is.
I'll bet you on that.
He didn't say, let's get Hussein on the ballot.
I wanted this middle name.
How much are you going to bet me on that?
I will bet you.
All right, so we can pause there.
This is where we can bail on this clip because that's where the interview ends.
But Bill Maher kind of led him off the hook by getting into this bet of who had control of the name because I think Bill Maher is actually wrong about that.
I do think the candidate controls what name they put on there.
Fighting Anti-Semitism Concerns00:15:43
But that was the most ridiculous argument for ever for why he's a radical.
Well, he's a radical because his name is Hussein.
It's like, okay.
I mean, by the way, I kind of tend to agree with Michael Moore in that I do think he governed as a centrist or as a corporatist, but he ran as more of like a left-wing guy.
But it's just the most ridiculous thing anyway.
But yeah, it's like, okay, but did Obama, did Obama win really because, you know, he embraced radical positions?
It's like, well, maybe.
But really, the positions that Obama ran on were like ending these wars, ending the corruption of the Bush administration.
He was an incredibly charismatic guy, ran on hope and change.
Obama's policies in 2008 would get him labeled a fascist in the Democratic Party today.
That's what Michael Moore avoids there.
It's like, yeah, you're right.
He also was against gay marriage.
You know, he also was for like cracking down on illegal immigration.
There are a lot of other things that Obama was pretty hawkish on that, you know, today that wouldn't really play in the Democratic Party.
So there's the problem that they don't want to talk about.
All right.
What I want to move on to is the next clip on this one.
And I think this one might be a little bit controversial because it's about the Jews.
The Jews.
And they had Barry Weiss on to talk about her new book, which is, I believe, called How to Fight Anti-Semitism.
Kind of a chick is named Barry.
Jewish broad.
That's weird.
Now, Barry Weiss kind of, she rose to prominence.
She's a New York Times writer, and she kind of came up as one of these people who was being reasonable about social justice warrior stuff.
Like she was like, kind of like, hey, you know, the Me Too moment is going a little bit crazy.
Social justice warriors on college campuses are going a little bit crazy.
Let's be a little bit more reasonable about this stuff.
And she made some fairly decent points on that stuff.
And then her foreign policy started coming out little by little, and she really embarrassed herself.
Most famously on Joe Rogan's podcast when she said she called Tulsi Gabbard an Assad toady and then didn't know what the word meant and then just came off like an idiot after Rogan.
Because Rogan, who I'm sure from Barry Weiss's point of view, she's like, look, I'm a New York Times writer.
I'm talking to a comedian.
I can just kind of assert these things.
But Rogan actually knows a little bit about foreign policy.
He's had Tulsi Gabbard on his show.
She started attacking Tulsa Gabbon and Roger's like, why?
I like her.
I think she's really cool.
And then she just fell apart into herself.
So anyway, that's who Barry Weiss is.
And she has a new book out.
So let's get to her interview with Bill Maher a little bit.
Well, actually, before we do that, I just want to say, I want to disclaim where I'm coming from when I talk about anti-Semitism.
When we did that podcast on the JQ and things like that.
Kill them all.
Yes.
I mean, that's why it was our shortest episode ever.
It's very simple.
Kill them all.
All right, this week's episode is button to you.
But let me just say this.
Look, I hate to admit this as the host of the number one Christian conservative podcast on the internet, but I'm a Jew, okay?
And so I'm leaving.
I'm out.
I'm doing it.
Rob, you are too.
Oh, shit.
Now, I will say that I do, particularly, as I think any Jewish person would, it's hard to ever talk about this issue and completely remove yourself from your own self-interest.
And I think that's true in general for any time you're discussing people hating you and whatever group you're in, right?
Like, there's no, I'm sure, like, if a black person was talking about the rise of hatred of black people, they'd pretty inherently be like, yeah, well, I'm against that.
Dave, here's the difference.
We get together weekly.
We have secret meetings on the Sabbath where we talk about how we're going to rob the world for the rest of their wealth.
And so we have to be self-reflective.
This is recorded.
And understand why they don't.
Oh, fuck.
I forgot.
This is going out to everybody.
Oh, my bad.
I'm sorry.
Those meetings don't happen.
Ixne on the conspiracy K.
It's going out to the oy gays.
So, but look, obviously, I do have a vested interest in an anti-Semitic movement not rising up.
That is not something I'd want to see happen in this country.
I don't agree with anti-Semitism.
I don't believe in it.
I also am Jewish.
My family is Jewish.
You know what I mean?
Like, a lot of people I love are Jewish.
I don't want to see people hate them.
And in the worst case scenario, you know, be violent toward them and something very bad happen, which has happened in other societies.
I glue my foreskin back on, so I'm good.
Well, yo, Rob, I'm telling you, Rob, your face is going to give it away.
Is it really?
I don't think my face is that Jewy.
No, actually, you could probably pass for something.
You glue that foreskin back on, and you're fine.
Yeah, you're helping.
You're doing your best.
No, but you know what I'm saying?
Like, I do.
I come at this from a place of saying, like, I don't want to see Jews who did nothing wrong get blamed for bad things.
And I certainly don't want to see anti-Semitism rise up.
So I am with you if you're saying, hey, here's how we fight anti-Semitism.
It's like, okay, I'm all ears.
So what do you got?
So that's just preface with that.
Here's Barry Weiss.
She's a staff editor and writer for the New York Times off-end section and author of the new book, How to Fight Anti-Semitism.
Barry Weiss is back with us.
Barry Weiss.
Hello.
How are you?
It's great to see you.
Oh, you got your cards.
You're all ready to go.
Getting nervous, Bill.
I know.
Well, let's talk about your book.
You must know your book pretty well.
You just wrote it.
Yeah.
Well, I thought, yeah, of course it is very serious, but I thought the interesting, many interesting parts of it, but something I would like to hear you talk about is the fact that anti-Semitism, it's more than just about the Jews.
It's about the health of a society that for pretty much all through human history, certainly as long as the Jews have been around, whenever a society becomes anti-Semitic, it's an indication about something wrong in their body politic.
That's interesting to me.
That's exactly right.
I wrote this book not just because my synagogue in Pittsburgh was the one that was shot up in October 27, 2018, but because the more I researched this topic and looked at Jewish history and really all of history, I found that societies where anti-Semitism thrives are societies that are dead or dying.
Why is that?
It's because anti-Semitism is the ultimate conspiracy.
And when anti-Semitism thrives, it's a sign that that society has replaced truth with lies.
Okay.
And so let's pause it already, right?
So here's the thing.
If you're going to ask how you fight or you're going to tell people how to fight anti-Semitism, I would think maybe you'd want to take on what the anti-Semites are saying.
Like meet their argument somewhere.
Instead, first of all, to just say, look, anti-Semitism is a sign that a society is dying.
It's really not factually true.
There have been lots of societies throughout history that were viciously anti-Semitic, and it wasn't always at the very end of the society or at the same time.
And the Romans built the Coliseum with Jewish slaves.
Yeah, I mean, like, there's been societies going back to whatever, even before, really, the ancient Egyptians, right?
But I mean, even all throughout history, there's been societies that hated Jewish people in very vicious ways.
And it was not always a sign that the society was collapsing or dying or in some type of terminal condition.
Yes, Nazi Germany went genocidal as the society was collapsing.
It was in the middle of a war.
So like, yeah, they lost the war.
I don't know.
If they had won the war, then they weren't collapsing, but they lost the war.
Okay, fine.
Fair enough.
But if you're going to say, well, it's a sign of a, that societies are collapsing.
I actually think you'd have a tough time proving that point.
But even so, you go, so it's a sign that the society is collapsing.
Why is that?
Well, it's because, and here's the answer.
It's because it's the ultimate conspiracy theory that's devoured of truth.
Well, here's the problem, okay?
There's an obvious rebuttal to that from the anti-Semitic point of view.
Now, I'm, by the way, as I said in the beginning, I'm coming at this from a place I have no interest in anti-Semitism rising.
And I think my answer of how you fight anti-Semitism would be to deal with the arguments that people are putting forward.
That would be my case.
I don't know what a Federal Reserve is.
Oh, you guys are a conspiracy theory.
You're just divorced from reality.
So if you're going to say, well, when a society is dying, people start blaming the Jews.
Well, okay, but what's the next obvious question?
Why?
Why are they blaming the Jews?
Why is the society dying?
Do Jews have anything to do with the society dying?
Are they maybe disproportionately representing the forces that are killing the society?
I mean, how are you going to bring up this topic and avoid that central question, right?
So what I would say, and I've said before we talked about this question, is I go, well, look, I mean, Jewish people are very overrepresented in many fields.
The idea of just saying, oh, there's a Jewish conspiracy, it's like, well, no, I don't think there is blatantly a Jewish conspiracy.
Although, by the way, Jews, much like other groups, have an in-group preference.
And lots of Jews like to do business with other Jews and treat Jews differently than they treat people who are not Jewish.
That's something that most Jews are at least aware of.
But I think the same could be said for, you know, Chinese people or, you know, Japanese people or black people or lots of others.
It's just Jews are, you know, happen to be very powerful and control large areas of different industries.
Jews are vastly overrepresented in the warfare state and the people who push the warfare state.
The country of Israel has a little bit of something to do with our foreign policy.
They seem to be way on board with every one of these disastrous wars that we're fighting.
And when it comes to banking and the mainstream media, let's just say there's a few of them out there.
There's a few floating around.
So if you're somewhere where you're overrepresented by like 3,000%, to just dismiss it as a conspiracy theory, listen, I've always tried to go from the tact where it'd be like, well, look, I get what you're saying.
There are a lot of Jews in this area, but that really doesn't have anything to do with Barry the dentist from down the street.
And Barry the dentist, like Jews are way overrepresented in dentistry also.
And like, yeah, they're doing a pretty good job, right?
Your teeth are being fixed.
Jews are overrepresented in physics.
That's helped our lives a lot.
So you try to point out that it's like, look, I understand where you could go down this path, but really your problem is probably more with the policy than it is with the Jewish people.
And you really don't want to just be hurting innocent people or hating innocent people because that's kind of wrong and a waste of time.
I just think that's a more effective way to fight anti-Semitism to actually speak to those people, say, look, I get what your concern is.
See, here's what I think, right?
And this is what I think with the whole with a lot of the rise of the alt-right and a lot of, you know, say these like kind of types of groups of people.
I think there's a dynamic where if there's a concern that human beings have, particularly if there's a lot of human beings who have this concern, that is a reasonable concern.
And they're not allowed to voice this reasonable concern.
They have no outlet to voice this reasonable concern.
And in fact, if they voice this reasonable concern, there are harsh consequences.
You know, you're like fucking like there, we're going to try to ruin you.
We're going to smear you.
We're going to label you horrible things for voicing these reasonable concerns.
That energy gets funneled into some pretty extremist areas.
You know?
So if you're not ever allowed to talk about certain things, then those people end up coming out with a way more dangerous, way more extreme thing because fuck it.
I'm not allowed to talk about it anyway.
I might as well embrace the most hardcore ideology.
So I would say allowing people to voice reasonable concerns would be a good way to fight a bad anti-Semitism that you don't want to spread.
That's more or less kind of my feeling.
Any thoughts, Jew boy?
It's also, I mean, it's a slightly weird argument.
I'm really going to go into the land of theoretical here, but if you go historically, every single time a society went under, it was because of anti-Semitism, right?
But like, let's say you literally had a Jewish dictator here who just murdered people.
He just murdered people and had all the wealth and said, well, historically speaking, every single time we turned into anti-Semites, it was a sign that society was going under because for other reasons.
So even though there's this murderous dictator guy, don't think it's the fault of the murderous dictator guy because look at history.
Oh, yeah.
You want to go the way of the Nazis?
Don't hate the Jews.
Yeah, so I don't know that like that.
Well, it just seems to me right away that this argument, that like the first thing that the way it struck me was I go, this is not, if you're talking about how you fight anti-Semitism, you're not even engaging with anybody who's sympathetic to anti-Semitism.
You're not even engaging.
You're literally, it just seems like you're virtue signaling to a whole lot of people who already hate anti-Semitism and saying, see, anti-Semitism's wrong.
It's like, okay, but if you're actually trying to fight it, I would think the way to fight it, I mean, look, it seems to me like there's not too many different ways to fight anti-Semitism.
One would be to convince people who are anti-Semitic not to be.
Another would be to by force make them not be.
Maybe there's another option that I'm not really seeing there, but it seems like those two are pretty much the options.
Now, she's not advocating, I don't think, that we fucking throw people in jail or kill people who are anti-Semitic.
So what does that really leave you with?
Let's convince them not to be.
And this argument so far will convince nobody who's anti-Semitic not to be.
And oh, by the way, the fact that Barry Weiss is a Jew who's out there publicly on the biggest podcast in the world slandering a woman who's anti-war for being like allies with a dictator and all these horrible things.
It's like, hey, maybe that's not helping the cause for ending anti-Semitism that well.
You know?
Maybe that's not helping too well.
All right, let's keep playing.
Kind of the one way to think about it is that it's a thought virus that's carried forward in civilization.
And just like any of us have lots of viruses in our body at a given time, as long as we're healthy, they don't show themselves.
When a society begins to become unhealthy and tearing itself apart, as we see here and throughout Europe, anti-Semitism begins to show its face.
But why the Jews?
Why do they have the kick me sign on their back?
Well, I mean, I'd have to go back to the book of Matthew and even before that to Egypt in 300 BCE.
I mean, there's so many different peoples in the world.
Sure.
I mean, a lot of them have gotten shit from a lot of people.
Why the Jews?
It just seems the Jews are always on the move.
Yeah, we are.
We are.
And I think here's one reason for it.
When the Jews rejected Jesus as the son of God.
Oh, that thing.
Okay, that thing.
I knew that was something my intriguing bad whole thing.
A little detail.
He paused again.
Just along the, like, so also, if we're going to take a historical standard, so historically speaking, people have this thought virus where they come to the conclusion that there's something wrong with the Jews.
Wow, I guess maybe there's something compelling about that, that people's thought virus all of all of human history led them to think.
Jesus And Jewish Hostility00:14:55
Well, but Bill Maher asks a pretty obvious follow-up question, right?
Which is why?
Why do people hate the Jews?
And I always like, dude, I just never believed.
It's the same thing when people would say with Muslims.
It's like, well, why, you know, when I would, you know, argue with people like about blowback theory and be like, well, the reason these terrorists, like, are terrorist attacks are happening is because we're like slaughtering innocent people over there and then funding and arming the terrorists.
So we give them the weapons, the planning, the training, and then we kill all these people so they have this recruitment tool to be like, let's go get the people who just killed us.
And they'll be like, eh, dude, do you know what the Muslims did in 700 AD?
And you're like, what?
Are you really going back?
Like, just think about how human beings act.
If you act tomorrow, if you're angry about something or you go and do something, would you really say the cause of your feeling is that your great, great, great, great, like 90 more times grandfather did so-and-so?
Get the fuck out of here.
The problem is that the Jews rejected Jesus.
I'm sorry.
I'm just really not buying that that's the reason why the Jews are so targeted.
And by the way, there's lots of religions that don't believe in Jesus.
So it wouldn't explain why anyone who's not a Christian is not a believer in Jesus.
It's certain that God's still mad at us.
That ever since we rejected Jesus, that's a more reasonable argument than what she's making.
But it's like, it's like, so this is how you're going to fight anti-Semitism.
It's like, well, no, I'm sorry.
Why the Jews?
And why not say the Sikhs who also reject Jesus, right?
It's like, well, the Sikhs aren't running the banking, the military, like political power.
They don't have this disproportionate influence.
So obviously the story, even if you think it's bullshit, the story of the Jewish conspiracy is a lot more compelling because the Jews are so disproportionately represented, so absurdly disproportionately represented in so many of these areas that are so destructive to society.
Is that true of all times of, like, I thought, like, if you go back to like the Crusades, that the Jews weren't doing that well, but I don't know.
I'm not sure.
Yeah, that might be true.
Like, I'm not a historian.
No, I think you might be right about that.
I'm not sure.
I'd have to look that up.
And look, there are lots of different parts in the world where there are market dominant minorities.
A minority group that only makes up, you know, 4% or 5% of the population, but they're kicking ass and dominating.
lots of areas in the world that wrote a lot about that.
Like I think the Nigerians kick ass here.
Yeah, it's not like the Jews.
Oh, really?
But it's just not, look, Nigerians are doing good.
But they're not as many as that.
They're not, no, but they're also not running the banking industry and the media industry.
And it's just not quite the same.
They're not running Hollywood.
They're not run.
You know, it's like, there's some...
Now, I'm not saying that this is a reason to hate all Jewish people or there's some Jewish conspiracy.
In fact, I very explicitly am saying, like, I don't believe either of those things.
I'm just saying this isn't even taking on the question.
So if you're going to write a whole book about it and the book is about fighting anti-Semitism, just go, yeah, well, basically, here's how I'm going to fight you.
This is how, here's how I'm going to convince an anti-Semite not to be anti-Semitic.
You got a virus.
You're just mad because we don't like Jesus.
Hey, you better?
You feeling better about Jews now?
Probably not.
All right, let's play.
Oh, he comes back to heaven as bad.
Just think about it.
Just think about it for one second.
So if you look at the idea that the Jews get the most power, the tiny Jews get the most powerful empire in the world, the Roman Empire, to do their bidding by killing Jesus.
And if you look at the anti-Semitic tropes that we see now, what is the Jew?
The Jew is not, it's not like racism where the person of color is subhuman and the racist is punching down.
In the anti-Semitism, can you pause again for a second?
This has not in any way ever been a part of my reality.
Whatever she's describing as being relationships between groups of people, it's like a chick on acid describing like a parallel universe.
I don't experience, I don't know what you're talking about.
This is like, by the way, this very Kabbalistic.
Some like the Kabbalistic writings.
They like to really break down these trends.
I once read this book.
It was by this guy, Rabbi Weinberg.
It's actually, you can just pick it up.
It's in English.
It's called Patterns and Times.
And they like to take these incidences that took place in the Bible between Jacob and Ace of.
That's the way I, I don't know how it's pronounced in English, but Jacob and Asaf and they'll go, these are the character traits of the Jews and these are the character traits of the other nations.
And you can see it running through all of human history.
So like this is the thing Jewie people like to do and it's just, it's nonsense.
What?
Just complaining about anti-Semitism?
No, but no, no, not that.
This analysis of saying like there's these trends in like, there's like these tribes and like the tribe behavior goes through all of human history, which is kind of what she's slightly describing is actually, I think.
And the racist thinks that the blacks are subhuman and he's just punching down and that kind of thing, you mean?
Well, I'm not sure what do you mean by you have to.
Well, that's what she just said.
No, I'm saying I'm lost in her entire analysis because I just don't see the world through this lens.
I also don't think it makes sense for Jews like in America to be complaining so much.
It's like Jews by and large are succeeding in the country.
I mean, it's like, I don't know.
We're doing pretty well.
I've never in my life faced any real hurdles for being Jewish.
The worst thing you're talking about, I mean, obviously there was this mass shooting that she's referring to.
That's fucking horrific.
But really, I mean, there was a mass shooting at a black church.
There's been mass shootings of groups of white people before.
That in itself is just kind of a one-off.
It's not like that's a regular problem in America that temples are just being shot up.
But overall, I don't think it helps the case to be complaining that much.
Look, my attitude is always like this.
I think any minority group in a country, if you only make up a small percentage of the group, I think, and you're doing very well in that country, I think if anything, if you're talking about the country, you should be kind of thankful.
It's like, hey, thanks, guys.
You guys did a lot to, you know, help build this country that we're like thriving in.
I hope we're doing everything we can to make your lives better too, because you're doing a lot to make our lives better.
That's a good way for us to all work voluntarily together.
And if there's one group of your tribe that's doing something that hurts everybody else, it'd be good to call that out and go, hey, stop doing that.
And if for nothing else, just for strategic reasons.
Because if you're 2% of the population and you're doing something to fuck over the other 98% of the population, it's like, hey, they got a lot more people than us.
So maybe we shouldn't do that.
Probably not in our self-interest to do so.
People are kind of tribal.
They might start to blame all of us.
So I'm going to say, hey, I'm calling out the neocons, the Federal Reserve, the people who control the mainstream media, right?
Like, I don't know.
That seems fairly reasonable to me.
And that's about as much of a collectivist as I care to be.
You know, it's like, I don't know.
I don't really have any control over them.
I don't even really have a very strong Jewish identity.
But like that, if you're going to talk about these issues, anti-Semitism, that seems more reasonable to me than just be like, you have a virus.
It's because we don't like Jesus.
And, you know, it's, you know, it's, well, it's a conspiracy theory.
It's like, well, okay, but why?
Why does that play so well?
All right, let's finish this.
The Jew is the wily manipulator, the puppeteer.
That sounds bad out of context.
Well, I am no expert on the other side.
I'm sorry.
That's what I'm saying where she's trying, like, it's this patterns and time thing where it's like.
It's like an Adam and Eve thing.
Like, listen to even Christians who too.
They'll go, hey, this incident happened with Adam and Eve, and now we see that it's in human nature and it just keeps playing out.
And that's the relationship between...
She's like taking an original sin thing to when we kill Jesus and saying that now they're like, or since we, I don't know what she's saying we did to Jesus that people don't like us for, but it's that kind of thought analysis.
Got the Romans to kill Jesus.
Yes, we got the Romans to kill Jesus and now there's this fraction between the world and the non-Jews and that's going to continue to play out.
Well like maybe if Israel wasn't getting America to fight all of their wars, that theme wouldn't play out.
You know what I mean?
Maybe the fact that this is a story in the Bible and then you can see such an example of like it kind of playing out.
Like maybe there is something to that.
But talk about the second one too.
Why do they see that now?
What reality are they seeing?
I'm just saying the theme analysis, I don't know that that really it's not.
No, I don't know.
It's very like, it's speculative.
I really don't know what to think of it.
All right.
Anyway, let's keep playing.
Let's listen to more of the Melody Broad.
I try never to pay retail.
You and me both, brother.
But I...
You're going to get in trouble for that.
Oh, like I can give a fuck.
Oh, like this week will be different.
But you also make the point that they're kind of getting it.
The Jews are from both sides.
I mean, it was always the right, the fascists.
They always had a thing out for the Jews.
But, you know, in the last 20, 30 years, it's also been the left.
And, I mean, you talk about how being anti-Semitic now is survivable in American politics.
Well, it's certainly survivable in European politics.
I mean, just look at the Labor Party, which is run by an anti-Semite, Jeremy Corbyn, who's transformed one of the most important political parties in his immigration.
One Jew.
Isn't that great?
One Jew.
But look what's happening.
I mean, my fear is that that sort of thing could be happening in the Democratic Party.
And I see that in the squad that you and Michael were talking about before, where, unfortunately, some members of the squad support the BDS movement against Israel, which seeks nothing less than the elimination of any Jewish state between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea.
I mean, I'm sure people are going to say, hey, you're all talking about this when just this week, B.B. Netanyahu was talking about annexing parts of the West Bank, which I'm not sure if I think that's a great idea.
But, you know, they have had 70 years to do something, to come up with a peace deal.
If there wasn't this incessant hostility, yes, it's a terrible situation.
Both sides have a claim to the land.
The Jews 70 years ago were like, let's share it.
They were like, no, we want to kill all of you.
So when you demand all and you don't get it, make a deal.
But also, So, yeah, this is how we fight anti-Semitism.
This is our story of history.
So, the story was the Jews were like, hey, let's share this land.
And the Muslims were like, we want to fucking kill you.
And they were like, hey, bro, we just want to share the land.
And they were like, we want to fucking kill you.
That's the history.
Do you really think there's not any more to it than that?
I mean, even, I know there's some people who listen to the show who are somewhat pro-Israel, but do you really think that's the entirety of the history?
You don't think it's a little bit more complicated than that?
You don't think that the Israelis kind of, that the Jews kind of moved into an area that was populated by a different group and then got some claim to it from a UN, a body that had no real authority to give this land up and then fucking forced a whole bunch of people out of their fucking land and never let them back and have killed a whole lot of them and have fucking that the story here is that Netanyahu is talking about taking over more of the Gaza Strip, but yet it's always got to be the Jews who are the poor victim there.
Like this is how we fight anti-Semitism?
I mean, it just seems like so, I don't know, so dishonest.
All right, let's play the rest of it.
Insisting because it benefits their worldview, the far left, on conflating what I think of as Bibism with Zionism.
These are two very distinctive things.
I am a huge critic of the current prime minister of the state of Israel.
I believe that just as the Jews have a claim to the land, so too do the Palestinians.
And if Israel wants to be a democratic state, there needs to be two states.
But the idea, it's like, but those people are trying to say that just because Bibi's prime minister, that somehow Israel doesn't have a right to exist.
You would never make that argument that just because we have a terrible president right now to dismantle America.
Let's not forget that first pause it.
I've never heard anyone make the argument that because Bibi Netanyahu is prime minister, Israel doesn't have a right to exist.
So it's really easy to like knock down straw men to just like say an argument that nobody, or at least no serious person is making at all, and then go, but that would be like doing that.
Right, but no one's saying that.
No one's saying that.
The people who are saying Israel doesn't have a right to exist are like, look, the Jews didn't have a right to this land.
Somebody else was here first.
And look, if you can say like, oh, there's all this hostility toward like the Jews, I mean, yeah, and the Jews have a lot of hostility toward the Muslims as well.
I'm not saying one side is completely innocent and the other one's completely guilty, but it's, but they are.
They are actually saying that.
And that ain't going to fight anti-Semitism.
You got to have a more honest conversation than that.
All right, let's play the end of the video because we're over time.
100% of the West Bank was on the table in the 90s in the Oslo Accords.
They did not take that deal.
Also, the West Bank was controlled by Jordan for 19 years.
Where was the Palestinian state then?
These are things you don't hear in the American media.
Okay, let me ask you.
Oh, now we have five Jews.
So let me ask you.
All right, let me just pause right there one more time.
And you know what?
We're just going to cut off the clip because basically I've made my point and that's it.
But when he goes, those are things you don't hear in the American media.
You know, those, it's like, look, I can understand you being as pro-Israel as you want to be.
It's like, I can, I understand where some people are like incredibly pro-Israel people.
But to go, these are the things you don't hear about in the American media.
Like, really?
You think the media has an anti-Israel bent?
Do you think Congress has an anti-Israel bent?
Why?
Because there's four of them that have said some critical things about Israel.
In the middle of the last government shutdown, the Congress resumed their first bill that they passed was like a thing denouncing the BDS movement.
It was bipartisan.
These two parties who are supposed to hate each other so much come together to support Israel.
Israel is one of the closest allies of the United States of America.
The idea that the real, that somehow there's a pro-Palestinian bias in our politics, in our corporate press.
And I literally was about to say mainstream media, and I looked and saw Michael Malice in the next studio, and I was like, corporate press.
Sorry, I remember.
But that is nutty.
And it's certainly not how you're going to fight anti-Semitism.
If you actually wanted to talk about people...
Pose like Christian conservatives and be super cool.
Roll Up Your Sleeves00:01:25
Yes.
That's what we're doing.
We're saving the Jews over here.
Yeah.
Sorry.
Some of us are rolling up our sleeves and trying to save the Jews.
That's it.
It's that simple.
You just fucking throw him a couple of bones, be like, pat him on the head.
You're right about this.
You're right about that.
But no, in all seriousness, you do it.
You got to roll up your sleeves and actually listen to some of the people who are making these arguments.
Hear them out.
Maybe there's a little bit of truth to that.
You know, look, man, this is true in general.
Like, people hate.
Look, if there's some black guy who hates white people, you know, you could just be like, oh, you're fucking racist.
You're evil.
But if you really want to talk to him, maybe you got to talk to him and be like, hey, you know, he's got a few good points.
If there's some white guy who really hates black people, you could just be like, oh, you're evil.
You're a racist.
But maybe you got to talk to him.
Maybe, oh, he's got a few good points.
And same with people who hate Jews or are hostile to Jews.
You know, I just don't think that if you were to just, to anybody, instead of just dismissing them and saying, you have a virus, you have a thought virus.
That's what it is.
It's like, oh, this isn't going to do anything.
Now, by the way, I wouldn't be picking on her if her book was titled, Why Anti-Semitism is Wrong.
I mean, it'd still be stupid, but whatever.
Or if her title was, I'm Against Anti-Semitism.
But the title is How to Fight Anti-Semitism.
And this sure as fuck, ain't it?
All right.
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