Part Of The Problem - Dave Smith - Okay 2019, You Win
Aired: 2019-09-10
Duration: 01:16:12


=== Hosts Fundraiser Panel (06:55) ===

[00:00:00]  Fill her up!
[00:00:02]  You are listening to the Gash Digital Network.
[00:00:07]  We need to roll back the state.
[00:00:09]  We spy on all of our own citizens.
[00:00:11]  Our prisons are flooded with nonviolent drug offenders.
[00:00:14]  If you want to know who America's next enemy is, look at who we're funding right now.
[00:00:20]  Every single one of these problems are a result of government being way too big.
[00:00:25]  You're listening to part of the problem on the Gash Digital Network.
[00:00:29]  Here's your host, James Smith.
[00:00:33]  What is up, everybody?
[00:00:35]  Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem.
[00:00:39]  I am the most consistent motherfucker you know, and I am joined by the king of the cocks, Robbie, the fire Bernstein.
[00:00:49]  Shaved and prepared.
[00:00:51]  Fresh and looking good.
[00:00:53]  Thanks, buddy.
[00:00:53]  I like you with the shaved head.
[00:00:56]  You got a good head to shave.
[00:00:57]  It's solid.
[00:00:58]  It just takes a lot of maintenance.
[00:01:00]  How much maintenance is there?
[00:01:01]  Yeah, I mean, I got to buy my own buzzer, but then where do you buzz it?
[00:01:04]  You buzz it in the shower?
[00:01:05]  You buy your own buzzer, and then you have it.
[00:01:07]  Yeah, but there's one thing, and then it's done.
[00:01:10]  Where do you buzz yourself?
[00:01:11]  In the shower.
[00:01:11]  But then doesn't it end up clogging your drain?
[00:01:13]  Or that's someone else's problem.
[00:01:14]  So fucking buzz it on the floor in the bathroom and vacuum it up real quick.
[00:01:18]  Now that's like four things.
[00:01:19]  We just went from one to four.
[00:01:21]  And we didn't even brainstorm all the elements.
[00:01:23]  You're going to have to plug into an outlet.
[00:01:24]  How did you just record things?
[00:01:26]  Explain to me the four things.
[00:01:27]  You need a broom, a dustpan, and a garbage can.
[00:01:31]  That's three different elements.
[00:01:32]  I would go, like, do you have like a dustbuster type thing?
[00:01:35]  Like a little mini vacuum?
[00:01:36]  No, but that's another thing I don't have to take care of.
[00:01:38]  So now we're up to five things.
[00:01:41]  It's not five.
[00:01:42]  There's two things you have to buy.
[00:01:44]  These don't count as things because you have them forever.
[00:01:46]  Also, I've never done it before.
[00:01:47]  What am I going to practice on myself?
[00:01:49]  Maybe someone's got a dog.
[00:01:50]  Maybe I could shave someone's dog.
[00:01:51]  It's not like cutting your hair.
[00:01:52]  There's no skill to it.
[00:01:54]  You're taking off the clippers and going zzzzz until you're in the middle.
[00:01:57]  You mean I'm playing this barber literally for nothing?
[00:02:00]  Yes.
[00:02:01]  Oh, well, oh, you did this at a barber?
[00:02:03]  Hell yeah.
[00:02:03]  I went to the barber.
[00:02:05]  All right.
[00:02:06]  Hey, look, to each their own, but it's, you know, I would think maybe it would trigger your Jew spidey sentence.
[00:02:11]  It does.
[00:02:11]  You could save a lot of money.
[00:02:12]  That's why I don't go that often.
[00:02:14]  Yeah.
[00:02:15]  All right.
[00:02:15]  Fair enough.
[00:02:16]  I like it.
[00:02:16]  You know, it looks like you could be like, you know, you could be in a Tiki Torch march or something like that.
[00:02:22]  Which, you know, I mean, I think the...
[00:02:25]  Don't let them find out, if you know what I mean.
[00:02:27]  I think the king of the caulks should look alt-right-y.
[00:02:29]  I think that brings some flavor to our movement.
[00:02:31]  That's right.
[00:02:32]  People always affiliate us with just freedom-loving and not, you know, all the racists.
[00:02:37]  I got to bring a little bit of racist flavor.
[00:02:39]  Well, Mr. Nicholas Sarwak has tried his best to affiliate the Mecox with the alt-right, but not very effectively, I don't think.
[00:02:47]  Anyway, I am debating tomorrow night.
[00:02:50]  Tomorrow night, it's going down.
[00:02:52]  It's me versus the chairman of the Libertarian Party, Nick Sarwak, debating the future of the Libertarian Party and what direction it should go in.
[00:03:01]  The resolution is the Libertarian Party should never again put up national candidates whose views are similar to those of Gary Johnson and Bill Weld.
[00:03:12]  And I am pretty excited.
[00:03:16]  You know, I tried very hard to really fight camp this thing.
[00:03:23]  Like, I didn't, you know, this was booked months and months ago.
[00:03:30]  And I knew I was like, I don't want to start preparing what I'm going to say now.
[00:03:34]  I don't want to get, you know, because it's just like, it's too much time.
[00:03:37]  You don't want to get dry on it.
[00:03:38]  So I tried to really put it out of my head as best I could.
[00:03:42]  And then I've just over the last week or so been getting my thoughts together and preparing them.
[00:03:49]  And I feel like I did a good job.
[00:03:52]  We'll see how it goes tomorrow.
[00:03:55]  Usually it's a do a lateral.
[00:03:58]  Me, this is, I've never put this much into anything in my life.
[00:04:02]  I didn't prepare for being a father this much.
[00:04:05]  I didn't give that a week of prep.
[00:04:08]  But seriously, it's been interesting, and I feel like I'm peaking right in time.
[00:04:14]  Like, I'm really excited to go do this.
[00:04:17]  I wish it was tonight.
[00:04:18]  You tapered in the right way.
[00:04:20]  Yes, I tried to, I made weight today.
[00:04:22]  I don't know if Sarwak made weight.
[00:04:24]  I don't know.
[00:04:24]  But I made weight, stepped on the scales, ready to go.
[00:04:27]  We're going to solve the world's problems.
[00:04:29]  Yeah.
[00:04:30]  Or at least, you know, just do a good job.
[00:04:33]  Probably won't solve the world's problems.
[00:04:35]  Just bring home a victory.
[00:04:36]  That's all.
[00:04:37]  That's what I'm looking to do.
[00:04:39]  And it's going to be, I mean, you know, look, at the end of the day, this thing isn't really about the Oxford style voting winning.
[00:04:46]  It's just about going there and doing something that I'm happy with and being like, I was happy with that.
[00:04:51]  The victory would be nice.
[00:04:54]  But I'm excited to go do it.
[00:04:55]  I'm excited.
[00:04:56]  I think it's going to be good.
[00:04:57]  I think it'll get a lot of eyes on it.
[00:04:58]  From what I've seen on social media and stuff, people are very excited about it.
[00:05:02]  And it's going to be a lot of fun.
[00:05:04]  We got a lot of people from the Mises Caucus, a lot of the Meekawks are going to be out.
[00:05:10]  We're going to do a thing, like a fundraiser for them afterward at Gene Epstein's place.
[00:05:16]  And we're going to record a panel, which we'll put out as a part of the problem episode.
[00:05:21]  So I think I'm going to host it.
[00:05:23]  I've never been.
[00:05:24]  I've never been.
[00:05:25]  I hate going over to people's, especially apartments, at least houses.
[00:05:28]  It's spread out.
[00:05:28]  They got multiple bathrooms.
[00:05:30]  Does it make you anxious at all to be invited to someone's apartment?
[00:05:33]  No, no, I'm okay with it.
[00:05:34]  Oh, really?
[00:05:34]  No, I'm not as socially awkward as you are.
[00:05:38]  I'm fine with being invited to somebody's apartment.
[00:05:41]  Doesn't bother me at all.
[00:05:42]  I instantly go full scale.
[00:05:44]  Oh, fuck.
[00:05:45]  Well, you're going to come by?
[00:05:46]  I don't know.
[00:05:46]  I was going to ask if it was.
[00:05:48]  Well, now you seem really excited.
[00:05:50]  I'm pumped for the debate, but not being in someone's home.
[00:05:54]  We're doing a panel.
[00:05:55]  It's going to be, I'm going to host it, and the panel is going to be, I believe, it's going to be Michael Heiss, who is, of course, the founder of the Mises caucus and the guy who got me to join the Libertarian Party.
[00:06:09]  It's going to be Michael Heiss.
[00:06:11]  Let's see who else is on this.
[00:06:13]  I have to remind myself.
[00:06:15]  Larry Sharp, I believe, will be on it.
[00:06:18]  Maj Ture will be on it.
[00:06:20]  And I'm missing one person, I believe.
[00:06:22]  Oh, no, maybe that's it.
[00:06:24]  Maybe that's the panel.
[00:06:25]  Anyway, so it's going to be some people who I love who are real interesting people.
[00:06:30]  I'm going to be excited to talk to them.
[00:06:33]  They're doing like a fundraiser.
[00:06:35]  So I think they'll talk about what they're doing in the caucus, what the future of the LP is going to be.
[00:06:41]  And I'm sure we'll recap the debate a little bit.
[00:06:45]  So all of that should be a lot of fun.
[00:06:47]  Very much looking forward to it.
[00:06:49]  But yeah, that's tomorrow.
[00:06:51]  Now I kind of got to put it out of my head and try to get some sleep before fight night.

=== Taliban Peace Talks (15:22) ===

[00:06:56]  Get in there and try to have a better showing than Dustin Poirier had the other night against Khabib.
[00:07:01]  Whooped.
[00:07:02]  Poof.
[00:07:04]  I felt really fucking bad for Dustin Poirier, man.
[00:07:06]  I was watching the post-fight press conference after, and he was just like, he was crying and real upset.
[00:07:11]  And it's like, dude, he's a monster.
[00:07:13]  He's a great fighter.
[00:07:14]  It's just Khabib Nermagomedov is a fucking Russian animal who grew up wrestling bears.
[00:07:22]  And from what I understand, putting them up against the cage and taking them down and holding them there.
[00:07:26]  And it's like, I don't know.
[00:07:28]  I don't know what you do when that guy gets a hold of you.
[00:07:31]  It's poof.
[00:07:33]  Dustin hits hard, man.
[00:07:35]  And Dustin's an excellent striker.
[00:07:37]  And he, like, he hit Max Holloway.
[00:07:39]  And Max Holloway was like, fuck.
[00:07:41]  Like, that hurt.
[00:07:42]  Max Holloway is a beast.
[00:07:44]  Max Holloway is one of the pound-for-pound best fighters in the world.
[00:07:47]  And he hit Khabib with that same shot.
[00:07:51]  And Khabib was like, okay, you want to wrestle?
[00:07:54]  We wrestle.
[00:07:55]  Khabib Striking's gotten a little better, too.
[00:07:56]  Well, he's got this real awkward crazy, but you know what a lot of it is is that you have to be so worried about his fucking takedowns that then all of a sudden the punch comes at you and you can't even really worry about that.
[00:08:07]  So you just get hit.
[00:08:09]  Anyway, that was a great fight.
[00:08:10]  Great card overall.
[00:08:11]  And Abu Dhabi.
[00:08:13]  It was weird seeing all those people in sheets in the front row.
[00:08:17]  I got to say, Khabib represents Muslims really well.
[00:08:20]  Yeah.
[00:08:21]  Talking about charity.
[00:08:22]  Oh, no.
[00:08:24]  Represents them super well by being white.
[00:08:26]  Is that what it is?
[00:08:27]  Is that why I'm not offended by the whole time?
[00:08:30]  I don't exactly know.
[00:08:31]  I don't really understand Dagestan.
[00:08:33]  I mean, it's technically Russian, but it's kind of its own place, but it's under Russian control.
[00:08:38]  And it's kind of like on the south of Russia.
[00:08:41]  Like, I don't even know what the weather is like in Dagestan.
[00:08:44]  They're made like they're forged from fuck you.
[00:08:46]  Because they're not Russians, but kind of Russians and people are trying to get them.
[00:08:49]  Kind of Muslim, but not.
[00:08:50]  So like, we're going to be Muslim.
[00:08:52]  Yeah.
[00:08:52]  Yeah, but I was trying to figure out, because like, I don't, because so in Abu Dhabi, where they were, it was like 125 degrees with the humidity or something crazy like that.
[00:09:01]  And I was like, what's the weather in Dagestan like?
[00:09:05]  Is it like Russia or is it like the Middle East?
[00:09:07]  Because it's almost kind of like between the two of them.
[00:09:10]  Anyway, the point is it didn't seem to affect Khabib much at all.
[00:09:13]  So there you go.
[00:09:14]  All right.
[00:09:15]  So I have been focused on this debate and not so focused on what's going on in the news.
[00:09:21]  But there were a few things that have been happening that have caught my eye that I thought were worth talking about.
[00:09:29]  The first one, which is very interesting to me, is this business about Donald Trump's meeting with the Taliban, which he then canceled.
[00:09:42]  And the whole thing is very bizarre and almost a perfect little microcosm, like a little example that speaks to bigger trends about everything that's going on in the Trump administration and in the coverage of the Trump presidency and that type of stuff.
[00:10:02]  So Donald Trump was going to meet with the Taliban.
[00:10:10]  He wanted to do it at Camp David, and I guess it was going to be this week.
[00:10:15]  And there was a lot of outrage that Donald Trump was meeting with the Taliban on the anniversary of 9-11.
[00:10:24]  Now, he wasn't actually meeting with them on the anniversary of 9-11, but he was meeting with them on the anniversary week of 9-11.
[00:10:33]  So I guess now 9-11 gets a whole week.
[00:10:37]  Like, neocons have turned into fucking 20-year-old chicks.
[00:10:41]  Like, they get a whole week for their anniversary of 9-11.
[00:10:45]  And this is what it's really crazy to me the amount of outrage there was that they would meet on that week.
[00:10:53]  Like, supposedly serious people.
[00:10:56]  Like, you know, every neocon, major news outlets, Justin Amash even said a thing.
[00:11:02]  He goes, can't we end this war without meeting with the Taliban on the week of 9-11?
[00:11:09]  And you're like, are you actually concerned about meaningless symbolism if there's a possibility that we could end the longest war in American history?
[00:11:20]  Like, really?
[00:11:21]  This is a guy who's supposed to be anti-war.
[00:11:24]  Like, are there any fights that just aren't worth fighting?
[00:11:29]  You would actually publicly say this?
[00:11:31]  I found this to be just incredibly, I don't know, immature.
[00:11:39]  What was even the claim?
[00:11:40]  What's offensive about meeting with them?
[00:11:42]  Even if you did it on 9-11?
[00:11:44]  Well, because, you know, they're the ones who attacked us on 9-11, at least according to Tim Ryan.
[00:11:48]  Right, because I don't know, because I guess Al-Qaeda was planned 9-11 from Taliban-controlled territory where they allowed al-Qaeda to stay.
[00:11:58]  So the idea that you'd meet with those people all these, you know, like, I don't know.
[00:12:02]  I don't even know what the outrage is supposed to be.
[00:12:05]  But the idea that anybody who's who's supposedly anti-war would have a problem with this.
[00:12:13]  Like that, you wouldn't just be cheering on, negotiating some type of peace.
[00:12:19]  Anyway, there was an attack that the Taliban has been accused of perpetrating where some people died.
[00:12:26]  Donald Trump called off the meeting, and now everybody gets to celebrate Donald Trump calling off the meeting.
[00:12:33]  You know, I saw on NBC News today, they were reporting, you know, there was a big split, a big split between Bolton and Pompeo because Bolton didn't want him to have this meeting at all.
[00:12:44]  And Pompeo wanted to have the meeting until there was the attack and then congratulated Donald Trump for canceling the meeting.
[00:12:50]  It's like, wow, what a drastically different difference of opinion.
[00:12:54]  By the way, I've heard those two don't like each other.
[00:12:56]  But from our perspective, or from the perspective of like sane people, it's like, who the fuck cares?
[00:13:02]  They're basically both on the same side of just wanting us to stay in this war.
[00:13:05]  And the thing that's really incredible is that like nothing, Afghanistan is probably the best example right now of the war party, of the war party's absurdity.
[00:13:20]  Because here you have a war that is the longest war in American history.
[00:13:25]  A war where at one point we had 100,000 troops in there and couldn't win it.
[00:13:31]  And yet we're still unwilling to just pull out.
[00:13:36]  Well, there must be some metrics of improvement if 18 years in that country.
[00:13:41]  Well, nope.
[00:13:42]  Actually, Rob, interesting you bring that up.
[00:13:44]  Less.
[00:13:44]  We have less territory.
[00:13:46]  Well, that doesn't sound like it's working out.
[00:13:48]  Dude, and you can go back and listen to through, like, you know, you had two terms of the Bush administration and two terms of the Obama administration, where every week they're giving you some bullshit about how this has been improved or this has been improved.
[00:14:06]  Every time there's an election, you know, a midterm election, a presidential election, whatever, they're like, well, we've made this progress and this progress, and it's all bullshit.
[00:14:15]  It's all bullshit.
[00:14:16]  And it turns out that we couldn't win it with 100,000 troops the same way the Soviets couldn't win it with hundreds and hundreds of thousands of troops.
[00:14:23]  It's because it's fucking Afghanistan and the mission is impossible.
[00:14:28]  What do the troops even do out there?
[00:14:30]  Occasionally they end up in fights with the Taliban or I don't even.
[00:14:33]  No, they're like training up the Afghan army, which is just a joke trying to train, you know, illiterate fucking, you know, little boy fuckers into how to fucking beat the Taliban.
[00:14:48]  Do they fuck a lot of boys?
[00:14:49]  Yes.
[00:14:49]  Oh, I didn't know that.
[00:14:50]  So the Taliban is very...
[00:14:54]  Are they anti-boy fucking?
[00:14:55]  They don't fuck boys.
[00:14:56]  Very anti-boy fucking.
[00:14:57]  However, they don't.
[00:14:58]  They were opposing that.
[00:14:59]  They don't let women do shit.
[00:15:01]  So there's no women's rights.
[00:15:03]  So they come down and they crack down like they'll close girls' schools and things like that.
[00:15:07]  And then we like to have this nice PR like, oh, look, this girl's school is back open because the Taliban, you know, lost control.
[00:15:13]  They're all getting fucked.
[00:15:13]  But the boys are getting fucked.
[00:15:15]  So that's your trade-off.
[00:15:16]  It's the yin and yang.
[00:15:17]  Yeah, you want your girls to read or you want your boys to get fucked, which what really means something to you?
[00:15:24]  Anyway, it's just the whole thing is a shit show.
[00:15:26]  It's so tragic when you think about the idea that there are kids serving there who were one years old or something like that when we first invaded the country, who weren't even born on 9-11.
[00:15:39]  You know, it's like, it's just terrible.
[00:15:43]  But then the other thing that gets completely lost, and this is what I mean about the Trump, the dynamic of the Trump administration.
[00:15:49]  And this was true.
[00:15:50]  This is just like kind of to me, the whole nature of the two-party duopoly.
[00:15:56]  So like this, this has been going on forever.
[00:15:58]  But like, so with Obama, I remember Obama would just like, you know, I mean, what did Obama, how many wars did Obama start?
[00:16:07]  So he said he was going to end the war in Afghanistan.
[00:16:09]  He said he was going to end the war in Iraq.
[00:16:10]  He didn't, he ended up, you know.
[00:16:12]  Keeping us there his entire Uh presidency, even though they say he pulled out.
[00:16:17]  He was out for, you know, barely any time at all and we kept an embassy there the whole time, always had troops on the ground, and then he went right back in after, you know the, the Sunni maniacs he was arming, ended up coming back in and anyway, so he keeps it.
[00:16:32]  He keeps our troops in Afghanistan.
[00:16:34]  He gets us involved in a war in Syria, he gets us involved in war in Libya, a war in Yemen, you know, bombing all over a whole bunch of other countries as well, Niger Somalia, a whole bunch of other countries that Obama bombed.
[00:16:47]  And then Republicans will come out and they'll go, Obama's soft he, he pulled out of Iraq or whatever the, the criticism was.
[00:16:57]  So then you end up getting an argument between is Obama soft and should he be doing more, so that the argument is between what Obama's doing and should it be more, and then Democrats will even like argue they'll be like he's not soft, look at all the great bombing that he's doing.
[00:17:13]  And then what he completely gets a pass for in this dynamic is that he's actually the biggest war hawk that we've had.
[00:17:20]  He's this huge.
[00:17:21]  He's this war Hawk who's who's completely not followed any of his promises.
[00:17:25]  So what you have right now is that it's like the same dynamic when they try to control it.
[00:17:29]  The conversation is, yeah, at the last minute, Donald Trump canceled this meeting, but he was about to have a meeting with the Taliban on the week of 9-11.
[00:17:37]  How soft is that?
[00:17:39]  And what no one is actually focusing on is is the obvious story, which is, once again, Donald Trump fails on his promise to get us out of this goddamn war.
[00:17:50]  I mean, Afghanistan should be of all the conflicts to end.
[00:17:54]  Afghanistan should be such a slam dunk.
[00:17:56]  If you can't end this war, you're never going to end one.
[00:17:58]  By the way, the whole Syria thing, he completely fucking backed off of that.
[00:18:02]  Remember, there was all that.
[00:18:03]  He'll come out and say he's gonna fucking pull the troops out, then that he gets all this backlash and then he doesn't do it.
[00:18:08]  That's more or less the Donald Trump presidency.
[00:18:11]  Yeah, he would have been better served just pulling out of Afghanistan and just claiming that we were victorious because no one's following, no one knows why we're there, just go.
[00:18:19]  Hey, we've been there long enough.
[00:18:20]  We've actually secured enough of the terrorists.
[00:18:21]  That's what?
[00:18:22]  Uh, that's what Rand Paul said yeah, he was talking about having that military parade.
[00:18:26]  And Rand Paul was like yeah, have the military parade, just declare victory.
[00:18:29]  Let's have the parade.
[00:18:30]  We won yeah yeah, we won.
[00:18:32]  No, don't let anyone pay attention, realizes we're there, that's right.
[00:18:36]  So you?
[00:18:36]  But you would think the Afghanistan, the war in Afghanistan would be the easy one, because in Syria, you know, or in these other wars they can go.
[00:18:44]  Well no no no, no.
[00:18:45]  I mean we still have this and that that we have to do.
[00:18:47]  We still need to defeat the last little bit of ISIS, we still need to blah, blah and, like I don't know, we've kind of been in Syria.
[00:18:53]  I mean covertly, since what?
[00:18:54]  Like 2011 2011, 2012, something like that.
[00:18:58]  I guess you can make that argument.
[00:18:59]  But with Afghanistan, you're like, we've been there since 2002.
[00:19:03]  It's like, dude, it's about to be 2020.
[00:19:08]  If you're telling me we still have this to do or this to do, just go, you know what?
[00:19:12]  It's not happening at this point.
[00:19:13]  If we still haven't been able to do it, what are we going to do now that we couldn't do with 100,000 troops, with a few thousand?
[00:19:19]  It's not going to happen.
[00:19:20]  Everyone's coming home.
[00:19:23]  I think you should still go.
[00:19:23]  I think it was a miscommunication.
[00:19:25]  The Taliban, they just wanted to get one more killing.
[00:19:27]  You know, they were going to have to.
[00:19:28]  Hey, what?
[00:19:29]  I thought we were having fun.
[00:19:30]  I thought we were going to have a meeting.
[00:19:31]  I thought they're like, you know, we were going to give it up after tomorrow, so we had to get out of the way.
[00:19:36]  Oh, is the peace Eastern Standard Time?
[00:19:39]  I'm sorry.
[00:19:41]  Yeah.
[00:19:41]  Now, why would the Taliban go ahead and attack an embassy prior to China, unless they never wanted to show up for peace talks, which is possible.
[00:19:50]  I don't really know that much about what's going on with Taliban.
[00:19:53]  Listen, I don't know.
[00:19:54]  And I'd be interested to ask Scott Horton that at some point and what he thinks exactly was going on here.
[00:20:01]  Some other people who know more about this stuff than I do.
[00:20:03]  I don't know.
[00:20:04]  Could be that it wasn't actually them.
[00:20:07]  That's what he said.
[00:20:08]  Or it could be.
[00:20:09]  I suppose it's possible that they thought this was a sign of weakness by the Americans.
[00:20:13]  And they're basically like, look, we just got to outlast these guys.
[00:20:16]  There's no more political will to be here and we're going to take over anyway.
[00:20:20]  This is our country.
[00:20:21]  And truthfully speaking, it kind of is their country.
[00:20:23]  And that's, you know, it's like at a certain point, what the hell are we, are we even trying to do there?
[00:20:31]  But it's, the whole thing was pretty crazy to me.
[00:20:33]  And I couldn't believe that Justin Amash, and this is what like bothers me so much when there's so many people who are like calling for Justin Amash to run for president on the libertarian ticket now that he's not a Republican anymore or whatever.
[00:20:48]  And it's like, what are you doing?
[00:20:50]  If you want to pick a fight with Donald Trump, fine, pick a fight with him.
[00:20:55]  But you should be picking a fight with him for him canceling this meeting.
[00:21:00]  Not for him talking about having it.
[00:21:02]  You should be picking a fight with him for him not ending these wars or pick a fight with him for the tariffs or for the fucking spending levels.
[00:21:11]  There's so much there.
[00:21:12]  Like, pick a fight.
[00:21:13]  I get it.
[00:21:14]  Go for it.
[00:21:15]  Fight with him.
[00:21:16]  But the things that Justin Amash has chosen to be, the issues he's picked fights with Trump on, are him, are the Mueller investigation and this.
[00:21:31]  It just seems so strange.
[00:21:33]  Like what lane are you trying to occupy?
[00:21:37]  What are we looking for?
[00:21:38]  The neocons?
[00:21:40]  Is that who the libertarian party is looking for?
[00:21:42]  And, by the way, it might be.
[00:21:43]  I mean, we ran Bill Weld last time.
[00:21:45]  Maybe that's, maybe that's their plan.
[00:21:47]  Go get, get that Neocon vote.
[00:21:49]  Oh great, so.
[00:21:51]  So maybe you can get a few more votes.
[00:21:53]  And what good does that do us?
[00:21:56]  Anyway, the whole thing is just very, very strange to me and I I I don't know what to make of it other than the fact that the story is that and you know, I gotta say um, what's disappointing is that even some people who I know, like people at Antiwar.com and stuff and like people who really know about this stuff, a lot of them were saying to me like six months ago they were like no look, I think the Syria thing isn't going to happen.

=== Neocon Voting Plans (04:45) ===

[00:22:19]  It looks like he's not going to end up pulling out of there, but it looks like he really does want peace negotiations in Afghanistan and that we're really finally going to get out of Afghanistan and you could see where you.
[00:22:30]  You would think that Donald Trump might want to do that before his reelection campaign.
[00:22:35]  And just one more feather on his cap be like I ended the longest war in American history.
[00:22:40]  That that would seem like a nice talking point going into the 2020 elections right, But now, of course, it's all that seems like it's not happening.
[00:22:51]  Who knows?
[00:22:52]  You never know with Trump.
[00:22:53]  He might turn back around.
[00:22:55]  But at a certain point, you're like, I know people, there are people who give Trump credit for not starting a new war.
[00:23:04]  And I kind of get that.
[00:23:06]  If you're grading on an Obama-Bush curve, you could say, hey, he's the first president in quite a long time to not start a new war.
[00:23:18]  But at what point do we have to go beyond that and go like, well, so if we, if we give him credit for that, then what are we just conceding that will never stop?
[00:23:28]  Like a war will never end?
[00:23:30]  If you can't end Afghanistan, what war can you end?
[00:23:35]  You can't end the one where we're going on two decades.
[00:23:38]  It's the longest war in American history.
[00:23:40]  We have no real enemy.
[00:23:41]  We have nothing to show for it.
[00:23:43]  No progress, nothing.
[00:23:45]  I remember talking to some military guys.
[00:23:48]  This is like years ago, like maybe four years ago, or whenever I first started getting the Fox News gigs.
[00:23:53]  And there were a couple of these military guys.
[00:23:55]  And I'd talk to him, like, we'd go out, grab a drink after the show and stuff.
[00:23:58]  And you'd like talk to him kind of off the record over a beer, like really talk to him about.
[00:24:03]  And some of them would talk about their experience.
[00:24:05]  A couple different guys told me about their experiences in Afghanistan.
[00:24:07]  And these are not anti-war libertarians.
[00:24:10]  These are like hawks, like fucking, you know, would have gladly voted for Jeb Bush or fucking, you know, maybe got on the Trump train later.
[00:24:19]  But really, these were guys who were like, you know, this is before Donald Trump.
[00:24:23]  And we would talk about it.
[00:24:25]  And they were like, dude, Afghanistan is a shit show.
[00:24:29]  They were like, there's nothing.
[00:24:31]  One of them told me, this is this green beret dude who was talking to me about it.
[00:24:35]  And he was like, look, man, he goes, Iraq is, he goes, I don't know if we could ever have true victory in Iraq, but Iraq is a fucking fairy tale compared to Afghanistan.
[00:24:45]  He was like, you know, Iraq is like, you have like cities and buildings and hospitals and, you know, the Iraqi people who, the army you're supposed to be training, like a lot of them had military experience.
[00:24:58]  These are people who are literate.
[00:25:00]  You know, they're still a lot different than we're used to.
[00:25:04]  You know what I mean?
[00:25:05]  They're not like civilized in the sense that we think of the word to mean, but there's something there you can work with.
[00:25:11]  He goes, in Afghanistan, it's literally like these illiterate goat herders that you're supposed to be training into an army.
[00:25:18]  And he would say, like, we'd give like these group of people like weapons and give them some training.
[00:25:24]  And then you leave and you come back like a few days later.
[00:25:27]  And they killed all their goats?
[00:25:28]  Well, not even the goats.
[00:25:30]  They just robbed everybody.
[00:25:31]  They just took everyone else's goats.
[00:25:33]  You gave them guns and they went around and robbed everybody else in the village.
[00:25:36]  And then you come back and you're like, what the fuck are we doing here?
[00:25:39]  And the other thing that not too many people like to talk about, I actually give Pete Hegseth some credit.
[00:25:46]  He's a guy who's over at Fox News.
[00:25:49]  He's one of their big guys over there.
[00:25:50]  He's in the military.
[00:25:51]  He talked about this once on air, but about the boy fucking.
[00:25:54]  And he was like, look, we all know this is going on.
[00:25:56]  People were furious about it.
[00:25:58]  It was like a big thing because what happens is basically you're not like our military isn't like allowed to like, you know, you don't have like arresting power.
[00:26:06]  You don't have like you're not like the and these are the people on your side.
[00:26:10]  So you can't like it's not like the enemy.
[00:26:12]  It's not like you see the enemy fucking little boys.
[00:26:14]  It's like this is the army you're supposed to be training.
[00:26:16]  And they'll be complaining to their higher ups like these guys, they're walking around with like fucking eight-year-old boys who are clearly their little sex slaves.
[00:26:24]  And they like complain up the line of command and they're like, well, your job is to train them.
[00:26:29]  So go train them.
[00:26:30]  And they hear like boys screaming in the night and shit.
[00:26:32]  It's like really, really creepy shit.
[00:26:34]  And a few times some of these soldiers.
[00:26:37]  No, no, it's out.
[00:26:38]  It's just goat herders.
[00:26:41]  And a few times there were like insulin.
[00:26:44]  Yeah, it really is.
[00:26:44]  Really.
[00:26:45]  Big problem.
[00:26:46]  But there were a few incidents where like soldiers just snapped and like fucking beat the shit out of some of these guys.
[00:26:51]  Right.
[00:26:52]  And then they get fucking disciplined for it.
[00:26:54]  Yeah, it's a whole goddamn list.
[00:26:55]  Listen, we're not here to prevent boyfucking or kill opium plants.
[00:26:59]  Sir, were those your orders?
[00:27:00]  You go protect those boyfuckers and protect those opium plants.

=== Wasted Military Spending (05:35) ===

[00:27:05]  Yeah.
[00:27:05]  Anyway, the whole thing is just such a shit show.
[00:27:07]  And if you can't end that one, it's just, it's really depressing because if you can't end that one, what the hell are we doing?
[00:27:12]  Let's make that the next Rambo.
[00:27:14]  You know?
[00:27:15]  Sylvester's like, you as fucking boys.
[00:27:18]  And then they draw first blood, and then he has to take out the American army and free all the boys.
[00:27:23]  Yeah.
[00:27:23]  Yeah.
[00:27:24]  Well, it does sound like a good, I mean, if you, if you want to present me the screenplay, I'll give you my notes.
[00:27:29]  All right.
[00:27:30]  All right.
[00:27:30]  Switching gears, there's, there's another news story that's been getting some attention.
[00:27:35]  You actually texted me about this the other day, but that, and I was pretty surprised to hear this, but Mark Sanford has announced that he will be primarying Donald Trump as well.
[00:27:47]  So Donald Trump is now looking at a few different primary challengers.
[00:27:52]  And Mark Sanford, I will say, and I don't know a ton about Mark Sanford, but politically speaking, I don't hate the guy.
[00:28:05]  He's actually not, he's not terrible.
[00:28:10]  He's more or less, seems to be a somewhat reasonable guy.
[00:28:14]  He is truly, I think, somebody who believes that the government is way too big, does way too much.
[00:28:23]  Debt is a big problem.
[00:28:25]  We shouldn't be fighting all these wars.
[00:28:27]  Like, I do think it seems like that is more or less his belief.
[00:28:31]  And it seems like his voting record is pretty in line with that.
[00:28:34]  I know you said you saw him and you were like, oh, shit, this guy's actually kind of for real.
[00:28:38]  Right?
[00:28:38]  Yeah, no, no, no.
[00:28:39]  What I liked about it, even though we'll see how much of this actually plays out, but he was on Fox News and they were asking him, why are you running?
[00:28:46]  And he goes, this is insanity.
[00:28:47]  No one's talking about the debt.
[00:28:49]  I'm watching all these Democratic debates.
[00:28:51]  I'm looking at what Trump's doing.
[00:28:52]  Spending's out of control.
[00:28:54]  And we have a government where no person is having this conversation.
[00:28:57]  And it also sounded like he was saying, even if I'm not, even if I don't successfully run a presidential campaign, but I can force everyone to start talking about debt, which is the most important issue, then this is worthwhile.
[00:29:08]  And if he can successfully shift that narrative where maybe enough conservatives get behind him that at least he's on the news more, that the topic comes up enough that all of a sudden some other candidates have to actually face the reality that that is an important issue.
[00:29:22]  That could be, I mean, it's not a game changer.
[00:29:24]  Listen, they're not going to solve the debt.
[00:29:26]  They're going to try and spend as much as they can.
[00:29:27]  No, but baby steps first.
[00:29:29]  I mean, at least let's get it in the conversation.
[00:29:31]  Let's get someone forcing the issue.
[00:29:33]  The more time he can get, the better.
[00:29:35]  I really got to say I agree with that.
[00:29:37]  And it is, you know, you could almost, like, I could almost stomach someone like Bernie Sanders or someone like that being like, hey, look, we spend so much money in areas that it's wasted.
[00:29:56]  And I think we'd be a lot better off if we spent that money in social services.
[00:30:00]  You know, if he's like, look, we spend more money than the next seven countries combined on their defense and like six of them are allies.
[00:30:09]  What are we doing?
[00:30:10]  We could be spending a third of what we spend now and we'd still be completely secure.
[00:30:15]  Let's drastically cut the military budget and let's spend that money in other areas.
[00:30:18]  You know, you could at least wrap your head around, well, we waste money here.
[00:30:22]  Let's spend it better like this.
[00:30:23]  There's other governments where their priority for spending is more on social safety net stuff and that seems to work out better than what we spend it on.
[00:30:30]  So let's do that.
[00:30:31]  You could almost at least see the argument there.
[00:30:34]  Now, I'd still disagree with it.
[00:30:35]  I'd still be like, the debt is a problem and all this stuff, but they don't even care.
[00:30:38]  They're like, we just, let's just spend another $30 trillion on global warming and then another $20 trillion on Medicare for all and then another $10 trillion on student loan.
[00:30:47]  And it's like the obvious, not even like implication, the explicit belief is it doesn't matter.
[00:30:54]  We can spend as much money as we want to.
[00:30:55]  This doesn't matter.
[00:30:56]  It doesn't help when the other candidate goes, hey, I'm a low interest kind of guy.
[00:30:59]  None of this matters.
[00:31:00]  Yeah, that's right.
[00:31:02]  So everybody's just accepted this position.
[00:31:04]  And it is nice that someone would somebody would, you know, insert that into the issue.
[00:31:10]  I think the problem really with Mark Sanford.
[00:31:12]  This is Venezuelan thing, right?
[00:31:14]  Yeah.
[00:31:14]  Yeah, it's pretty bad.
[00:31:16]  And it kind of, you know, it reminds me of the Elizabeth Warren situation where sometimes, and I understand that this is not exactly about a policy issue, but sometimes you have a personal failing that is so large and embarrassing and public that it's pretty hard to think you can come, you can get past that to be the president or to just not be ruined over that.
[00:31:44]  And particularly when you're running against Donald Trump.
[00:31:48]  You know, it's one thing if you were running against some guy, you know, if you're running against like Bernie Sanders, you know, the fucking enough about the damn emails already.
[00:31:55]  Let's talk about minimum wage.
[00:31:57]  But that's not Trump.
[00:31:58]  Trump's not going to say, hey, enough about this whole thing.
[00:32:01]  Did you see the footage of Trump at a rally talking about it?
[00:32:04]  Oh, yeah, it's great.
[00:32:05]  Donald Trump, here, I have it pulled up right here.
[00:32:07]  Donald Trump takes aim at latest Republican challenger Mark Sanford.
[00:32:12]  So here, Donald Trump, this is from Donald Trump's Twitter as of 11 hours ago.
[00:32:17]  When the former governor, when the former governor of the great state of South Carolina, Mark Sanford, was reported missing, only to then say he was away hiking on the Appalachian Trail, then was found in Argentina, Argentina, not Venezuela, with his flaming dancer friend.
[00:32:37]  It sounded like his political career was over.

=== Priming Against Trump (03:16) ===

[00:32:40]  It was.
[00:32:41]  But then he ran for Congress and won, only to lose re-elect, only to lose his re-elect after I tweeted my endorsement on election day for his opponents.
[00:32:50]  So anyways, just already, Trump's just Mark.
[00:32:53]  But Mark Sanford, I mean, he was a governor and he disappeared.
[00:32:59]  Nobody could find him.
[00:33:01]  And then it found out that he, what was he, was banging his maid or something like that.
[00:33:05]  And what he said was, which was so strange, he said, like, you know, a lot of times people admit, you know, I cheated on my wife.
[00:33:14]  I apologize, blah, blah, blah.
[00:33:16]  I've got a lot of work to do to make it up.
[00:33:17]  He goes, I fell in love.
[00:33:19]  Like, he was just straight up like, I love this bitch.
[00:33:22]  And then he was like, I got to fall out of love with her.
[00:33:24]  And then he was very open with his like Christianity about it.
[00:33:28]  And it was, I don't know.
[00:33:29]  The whole thing was so goddamn bizarre that I just, it seems like a tough, a tough sell that he's going to actually really change the narrative or change the conversation about anything.
[00:33:46]  I just, I don't know.
[00:33:48]  I don't see it happening.
[00:33:49]  Maybe I hope I'm wrong.
[00:33:50]  I hope there's anyone who could just, if you could insert the federal debt, the national debt as an important issue, that would be a tremendous service.
[00:34:00]  I don't know.
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=== Classified Data Leaks (14:47) ===

[00:35:57]  It also seems to me a little bit like the idea that Donald Trump is getting primaried just seems so strange.
[00:36:07]  You know, it's happened before, though, right?
[00:36:09]  Yeah.
[00:36:10]  Has anyone ever won the primary from the president?
[00:36:14]  You know, I don't know if ever it may have happened, but in my lifetime, I don't remember that ever happening.
[00:36:20]  I don't think anybody ever won, you know, against a sitting president from their own party.
[00:36:28]  I don't know.
[00:36:29]  I'd have to look into that.
[00:36:30]  But no, never.
[00:36:32]  Yeah, never.
[00:36:33]  Brian's telling me it never happened, and he has a computer in front of him, so he knows everything that humans have ever recorded.
[00:36:39]  But it's just strange that you have a guy in Donald Trump who, you know, is still very popular amongst his base.
[00:36:48]  The economy is doing well by all traditional, you know, measures.
[00:36:57]  And Donald Trump in the 2016 primary, I mean, he got more votes than any Republicans ever gotten in primary history.
[00:37:04]  And he destroyed a huge field of other Republicans.
[00:37:09]  It just seems a little bit weird that now they would be people trying to primary him.
[00:37:13]  But I guess, you know, it almost makes you wonder.
[00:37:15]  I guess it's hard when there's been so many plots to take down Donald Trump, if a lot of this isn't kind of part of some plot to like at least make him campaign against these guys to hand some momentum over to the Democrats.
[00:37:28]  But it'll be interesting to see.
[00:37:31]  I mean, what are they thinking they're going to do?
[00:37:33]  They're going to, what, get on a debate stage with Donald Trump?
[00:37:37]  Apparently, I don't think he ever has to debate them because these people have such weird fucking rules because like they're not allowed to run debates outside of the parties.
[00:37:45]  And then I guess the party gets to decide when they're not going to throw debates and they've already decided that they're not considering primary debates for the Republican Party, which makes sense.
[00:37:54]  Yeah.
[00:37:55]  Like I get, you know, so they'll just be running these little shoestring campaigns.
[00:37:59]  And some states don't even have like primaries at all.
[00:38:02]  Like there is no, there is no ability to win some states, even if you do run.
[00:38:08]  So I think it's nearly impossible to, you know, unseat the guy, the president.
[00:38:16]  Yeah, no, I agree with you.
[00:38:18]  So anyway, the whole thing seems futile, but I will say that I was just quickly looking up, you know, because I know, you know, it's like there's something about when you hear some of these like Republicans and talk about the debt, it tends to at this point just go in one ear and out the other.
[00:38:32]  It's like no one really believes these pledges, these promises to cut the debt because every Republican for my life has always been saying, oh, you know, spending in the debt, with the exception of Donald Trump.
[00:38:44]  At least to his credit, Donald Trump was just like, whatever, spending is fine.
[00:38:47]  I like big, beautiful thing.
[00:38:48]  Like he never really cared about that.
[00:38:50]  But every other Republican always kind of claimed to.
[00:38:54]  But then when it comes to governing, they never do anything about it.
[00:38:57]  But I will say, looking at what I always look at when it comes down to it, this is kind of how I judge Republicans who are talking about big government.
[00:39:05]  It's like, where do you stand on war?
[00:39:08]  That's all that really matters.
[00:39:09]  You find out where they stand on war.
[00:39:11]  And if they're actually opposed to wars, then they might be serious about being, because if you want to be an empire in the policeman of the world, guess what?
[00:39:20]  You don't care about shrinking the size of government.
[00:39:22]  This is why the biggest bullshit ever was like when Ted Cruz would be like, my plan is to abolish the IRS, but also we have to fight wars everywhere.
[00:39:31]  You're like, really?
[00:39:32]  You think we're going to fight all these wars without the fucking IRS or at least some equally large, you know, like tax collectors?
[00:39:39]  It's like, okay, fine.
[00:39:41]  But Mark Sanford actually goes back, like, he was against the Clinton interventions in Kosovo.
[00:39:46]  He was very critical of all the wars in the Middle East and stuff.
[00:39:50]  So it's like, oh, okay.
[00:39:52]  Maybe you're actually legit.
[00:39:53]  Maybe.
[00:39:54]  What's Bill Weld's game?
[00:39:56]  I don't care what that guy's doing.
[00:39:57]  Well, come to the debate tomorrow night, my friend.
[00:40:01]  Bill Weld, I don't know exactly what he's doing with this.
[00:40:08]  He's embarrassing himself.
[00:40:09]  That's for sure.
[00:40:11]  I think Bill Weld is looking out for Bill Weld.
[00:40:17]  What does he get out of it?
[00:40:18]  Some publicity?
[00:40:18]  Yeah, some publicity.
[00:40:20]  Keep his name in there.
[00:40:21]  Kind of still be in the game.
[00:40:22]  Is this more than trying to take the libertarian ticket as the president and not the VP?
[00:40:28]  I think he will do that.
[00:40:30]  There's a couple things.
[00:40:31]  No, I don't think so.
[00:40:32]  I think, number one, Bill Weld is not and has never been a libertarian.
[00:40:37]  He's never been a libertarian.
[00:40:39]  Bill Weld is a Bush Republican who doesn't mind gay sex.
[00:40:47]  That's more or less what he is.
[00:40:49]  He's just like, yeah, the gays can have as much butt sex as they want to.
[00:40:53]  I don't really care about that.
[00:40:54]  But everything else is a George W. Bush Republican, basically.
[00:40:59]  He never was a libertarian.
[00:41:02]  He was, I think in like the 90s, he was like almost considered like libertarian leaning because it was like, oh, Republican who's okay with the gays.
[00:41:11]  What are you all about?
[00:41:12]  Liberty or something?
[00:41:13]  You know, like that was the threshold of being kind of libertarian leaning.
[00:41:18]  Anyway, so that's that's that.
[00:41:24]  But the truth is that Bill Weld was never really a libertarian.
[00:41:31]  The Libertarian Party didn't really like him.
[00:41:33]  He barely got the VP nomination because you have to be, the delegates have to vote you in, both the president and the vice president.
[00:41:42]  And anyway, so that's, you know, I just think he's trying to do his own thing and trying to, you know, keep his name out there and probably get some money, maybe do some favors for some Democratic people.
[00:41:58]  I mean, you know, I wonder about what his actual motivations are.
[00:42:03]  The guy was, after all, he was a lobbyist for Raytheon for a while.
[00:42:09]  This is a guy who's a guy who's very, very, you know, ingrained.
[00:42:13]  He was appointed to a position by Bill Clinton, an ambassador position, which he didn't end up getting, but he was appointed by Bill Clinton.
[00:42:23]  He was a huge fan of Hillary Clinton, a big supporter of the war in Iraq, big supporter of Bush Cheney, their foreign policy.
[00:42:31]  He said he didn't like their social issues too much.
[00:42:33]  That was his beef with them.
[00:42:35]  Again, he was like, well, what's wrong with the gay sex?
[00:42:37]  I don't have a problem with that.
[00:42:38]  But yeah, keep killing these Muslims.
[00:42:41]  And he was literally a lobbyist working on behalf of Raytheon.
[00:42:45]  So I don't know exactly what's going on.
[00:42:49]  You know, there's like he's very connected to that whole swampy world.
[00:42:54]  But, you know, if you want to hear my thoughts on Bill Weld, pop by the Soho Forum tomorrow night.
[00:42:59]  We'll be talking quite a bit about him.
[00:43:01]  I hope we didn't give away too much there.
[00:43:02]  Yeah.
[00:43:03]  I don't give a shit.
[00:43:04]  Sit down and prepare, you know?
[00:43:05]  Sarwak, I'm telling you my strategy.
[00:43:07]  I'm throwing haymakers.
[00:43:09]  Let's see.
[00:43:10]  Let's see what happens.
[00:43:11]  He can take that little bit.
[00:43:14]  Okay.
[00:43:15]  So, yeah.
[00:43:17]  Anyway, Bill Weld's also just, he's a fucking joke.
[00:43:19]  He's not this campaign against Donald Trump isn't doing anything except proving, really, all of the libertarians who were anti-Bill Weld right.
[00:43:28]  Because the funny thing is that it's like, now that he's left the Libertarian Party, even when you listen to him, he doesn't talk about liberty at all.
[00:43:35]  He would say he was at his most libertarian when he was on the Libertarian Party because he had to kind of be like, well, no, I am.
[00:43:42]  I'm totally libertarian like you guys.
[00:43:44]  But anyway, it's pretty obvious now that he never really cared about any issues involving liberty.
[00:43:53]  Okay.
[00:43:55]  Sure did.
[00:43:56]  But at least we never believed it.
[00:43:58]  It was pretty obvious from the beginning.
[00:44:01]  So there was another thing that I wanted to say.
[00:44:06]  Pam Anderson.
[00:44:07]  That's right.
[00:44:08]  So this was something that last week I had on the lineup to talk about, or last week, well, I say last episode.
[00:44:15]  So a few days ago on Friday, I had this on the lineup of things to talk about, but we never got to it because there was just other things going on.
[00:44:25]  But I thought this was really, really interesting.
[00:44:27]  And it was, to me, it was peak 2019, you know, and somehow Pam Anderson, the chick we know from getting banged on a boat on camera and putting it out there on the internet.
[00:44:44]  I don't know if she put it on the internet.
[00:44:45]  It got out on the internet somehow.
[00:44:47]  But Pam Anderson, the Playboy playmate from Tool Time, from Baywatch, she can take a dick.
[00:44:55]  Sure can.
[00:44:56]  Sure can.
[00:44:57]  Long, long fucking rocker dick.
[00:45:01]  She was on The View.
[00:45:03]  And now I was unaware that Pam Anderson had any connection to Julian Assange, but she was on the Soon.
[00:45:09]  She's been doing conjugal visits forever, man.
[00:45:12]  I guess so.
[00:45:13]  Yeah.
[00:45:13]  Yeah.
[00:45:14]  It's not that great to bang Pam Anderson now.
[00:45:16]  No, she had her moments.
[00:45:17]  You got to look at some of the pictures when she was going over there.
[00:45:20]  She's pretty good.
[00:45:21]  Like, listen, Pam Anderson.
[00:45:22]  Pam Anderson back in the day.
[00:45:23]  Pam Anderson.
[00:45:24]  No one's arguing that.
[00:45:25]  Pam Anderson has some bad years and then a couple good days.
[00:45:28]  I'm telling you, look at some of those pictures when she was showing up to Assange.
[00:45:31]  She made it work.
[00:45:32]  I don't know what spa she showed up to for the week to get it put together, but she was going there a lot?
[00:45:37]  Yeah, she paid him a couple of visits.
[00:45:38]  Oh, okay.
[00:45:39]  I'm theorizing that there were conjugal visits.
[00:45:41]  Yeah, I don't know.
[00:45:41]  I think that she was supporting him.
[00:45:42]  Let's just put a disclaimer on that.
[00:45:44]  We do not actually know.
[00:45:45]  All right.
[00:45:45]  Well, this was interesting.
[00:45:47]  She ends up getting into an argument with Megan McCain.
[00:45:50]  And I just thought there was something about in 2019, like this was the peak 2019 moment where you have like Pam Anderson being taken on by the senator's daughter.
[00:46:02]  And let's just play the clip and then we can discuss it.
[00:46:05]  Let's go.
[00:46:07]  Some very powerful pictures and powerful people watching quiet.
[00:46:10]  When you were visiting him, he was allegedly kicked out of the Ecuadorian embassy because he was defecating everywhere and creating men on that snake.
[00:46:16]  It's not true.
[00:46:17]  There was video of things that happened.
[00:46:19]  I mean, what would you do if you were left in a room for just really quick?
[00:46:22]  Well, I wouldn't be a cyber terrorist, which he is.
[00:46:24]  He hacked information.
[00:46:26]  He included classified documents that put our national security at risk or military.
[00:46:30]  You know who lies the military.
[00:46:33]  How many people have the military government killed innocently and how many has WikiLeaks?
[00:46:38]  So you think the military is putting the government at risk?
[00:46:42]  The military has put many innocent lives at risk.
[00:46:44]  Oh, calm down, sir.
[00:46:47]  I'm actually genuinely warm.
[00:46:50]  Yeah, war crimes need to be punished, and they haven't.
[00:46:52]  The war crimes that he's exposed, no one's done anything about it.
[00:46:55]  But they put him in jail to shut him up.
[00:46:57]  You've got the 210 video of the helicopter fire killing civilians in Iraq.
[00:47:02]  Yeah, well, that's one thing, but there's so many other things that he's exposed.
[00:47:05]  And it's not just America, he's exposed, he's exposed Russia, he's exposed all sorts of different countries.
[00:47:09]  That's a controversial area, Russia.
[00:47:11]  A lot of people say that, as does the Mueller report, that Assange interfered in the 2016 election by conspiring with Russia by releasing hack emails, hacked emails, which hurt Hillary Clinton.
[00:47:26]  It's almost like, is he responsible for giving us Trump?
[00:47:28]  I mean, his timing is.
[00:47:30]  And the way the timing.
[00:47:31]  The timing, but you know, Hillary Clinton is responsible for Trump.
[00:47:35]  She's the one that she's saying, though.
[00:47:37]  Is that Trump's information?
[00:47:39]  No, no, no.
[00:47:41]  Why do people think that why would he help Trump?
[00:47:43]  Well, he wasn't helping Trump.
[00:47:44]  He was trying to tell the American people true information that Hillary Clinton was doing.
[00:47:48]  So why make an educated choice?
[00:47:50]  And I think FBI kind of put the nail in that coffin.
[00:47:52]  But do you mean to tell me that he had nothing on Trump?
[00:47:54]  Come on.
[00:47:55]  And that didn't get released.
[00:47:56]  I don't know.
[00:47:57]  I don't know if he has something on Trump, he would have put it out there.
[00:47:59]  Also, that he has to release her emails.
[00:48:02]  The question I have to emails, she said.
[00:48:04]  What would you say to, I know, well, that doesn't mean everything should be.
[00:48:06]  The question I have, though, is like spies that go out and put their lives at risk, like Congressman Willhurt, who we were just talking about, who's dedicated decades of his life to helping fight terrorism.
[00:48:15]  Classified information, I believe, is classified for a reason.
[00:48:17]  I do have some faith in the U.S. government, although as a conservative, I have less faith normally than liberals do.
[00:48:21]  So what would you say to the spies who are putting themselves at risk for a national security?
[00:48:25]  Pause it.
[00:48:26]  Okay.
[00:48:26]  So let's break down some of what we've heard here so far.
[00:48:29]  First off, isn't it amazing?
[00:48:31]  This is what I mean by peak 2019.
[00:48:33]  Isn't it amazing that it takes Pam Anderson of all people in this kind of brilliant, simplistic way to just go to be like, well, Julian Assange put innocent lives at risk.
[00:48:45]  And she goes, well, who do you think's put more innocent lives at risk?
[00:48:50]  The military or WikiLeaks?
[00:48:52]  And you're like, well, whatever.
[00:48:56]  All right, calm down, sir.
[00:48:57]  Anyway, the point is, but wasn't he like defecating in this room that he was kept alone in?
[00:49:01]  And he's like, well, what would you do if you were locked in?
[00:49:03]  Well, I wouldn't be a cyber terrorist.
[00:49:04]  I mean, he hacked into all these people's things.
[00:49:06]  He didn't hack into anything.
[00:49:07]  Which, by the way, no one's even accusing him of hacking into anything.
[00:49:11]  The worst that was accused of Julian Assange was that Edward, not Edward Snowden, I'm sorry, that Chelsea Manning was like, oh, I can hack into this shit and get you all this information.
[00:49:23]  He was like, yeah, go do that.
[00:49:25]  That he kind of like gave him like a wink and a nod, like, yeah, I'll publish it if you go hack into it.
[00:49:30]  That's the worst.
[00:49:30]  No one's accusing him of hacking into any.
[00:49:33]  No one hacked into anything.
[00:49:36]  It was a whistleblower.
[00:49:37]  It was fucking leaked.
[00:49:39]  There's a difference between a leak and a hack, okay?
[00:49:41]  A leak is like somebody.
[00:49:44]  So if somebody, let's say I have some private emails here at Gas Digital and I'm emailing with Brian about some evil shit I'm going to do and Brian goes, wow, this is evil.
[00:49:53]  And he sends all this shit to a reporter and goes, here, this is what Dave's emailing.
[00:49:57]  That's a leak.
[00:49:58]  That's someone inside our organization leaked this information out.
[00:50:01]  A hack is like someone hacks into our computers and steals our shit.
[00:50:06]  Now, I don't really give a shit how government secrets end up getting out there, but there is a difference between the two.
[00:50:11]  So it's not that Julian Assange fucking hacked anyone.
[00:50:14]  And they just throw these kind of, you know, these terms out there.
[00:50:17]  But what's an amazing thing there is when Megan McCain catches herself, just make, first off, she's just making the dumbest, most childish arguments ever.
[00:50:27]  I mean, it's like how anyone could take this person seriously who, I mean, you know, you just, you sit and ask yourself, you're like, so, I mean, how transparent is it?
[00:50:36]  You are here because your dad was a senator.
[00:50:39]  I mean, if your dad wasn't a senator, would you be here?
[00:50:41]  Would you be at this table right now?
[00:50:43]  Would anyone be having a conversation with you?

=== Exposing War Crimes (10:09) ===

[00:50:45]  What favor somebody must owe that she's still there, even though daddy's dead?
[00:50:48]  Oh, holy control the military.
[00:50:50]  She must, I mean, Jesus Christ.
[00:50:52]  But so she's sitting there and goes, well, I think if, you know, the spies risk their life and they're the heroes, and I don't care who the military kills.
[00:51:00]  I mean, whatever, that's they're the good guys.
[00:51:02]  And if something's classified, it's classified for a reason.
[00:51:04]  I mean, I do have faith.
[00:51:05]  I mean, I don't have that much faith in our government.
[00:51:07]  She actually stops herself and goes, oh, you don't have that much faith in our government.
[00:51:10]  You only believe that any secrets they keep are kept secret for the right reason.
[00:51:15]  Anyone they kill must have been killed for a noble reason.
[00:51:17]  But I don't have that much faith.
[00:51:18]  Not as much as like the liberals do.
[00:51:20]  Like, wow.
[00:51:22]  Could you imagine?
[00:51:23]  Like, I sounds like you have a lot of faith.
[00:51:26]  Sounds like a lot of faith.
[00:51:28]  If you ever look at any, like, I, you know, people make fun of religious people for the faith they have, but at least they have that type of faith in the divine.
[00:51:36]  It's not like they just have that faith in people.
[00:51:39]  It's like supposedly like a God that they have faith in.
[00:51:43]  If you ever just look at a group of people and go, oh, what did they do?
[00:51:47]  Kill hundreds of thousands of people?
[00:51:48]  Well, I'm sure they had a reason to do that.
[00:51:51]  Oh, what did they do?
[00:51:52]  Keep a whole bunch of secrets?
[00:51:53]  Well, I'm sure that's because they have to keep those secrets.
[00:51:55]  Like that, that would seem like a lot of faith by my standard.
[00:51:59]  But I like that she catches herself saying, I have faith in the government, but then has to reel it back and be like, I mean, it's not like it's a religion, though, or something like that.
[00:52:07]  It's not like, you know, this whole status thing is me just having some religious worship of a death cult.
[00:52:13]  It's not that.
[00:52:14]  Because it kind of sounds like that.
[00:52:16]  All right, let's keep playing.
[00:52:19]  Your relationship with him.
[00:52:21]  Well, I don't think he, there's nothing proving that he's actually put anybody at risk.
[00:52:25]  They've gone through this over and over again.
[00:52:26]  And I just, I think that people like Edward Snowden, Chelsea Manning are heroes.
[00:52:30]  And Julian Assange is a publisher.
[00:52:33]  Who knows who thinks that?
[00:52:34]  But you know, also, do you see, this is the level.
[00:52:39]  This is the level of debate.
[00:52:40]  She goes, I think these people are heroes.
[00:52:42]  I mean, you know, they've exposed war crimes.
[00:52:45]  Here you have, this is 2019.
[00:52:46]  It takes Pam Anderson to make the point.
[00:52:49]  Or she goes, like, but, you know, if you expose war crimes and those war crimes go unpunished, but the guy who exposes the war crimes gets punished, isn't that, like, kind of not good?
[00:53:02]  And everyone else has to sit around and go, well, no, but you know who else thinks that?
[00:53:07]  Putin.
[00:53:09]  That's the counter.
[00:53:11]  Well, I think, I think, you know, I think Chelsea Manning and Julian Assange are heroes because they expose war crimes.
[00:53:18]  Well, you know who else thinks that?
[00:53:20]  Bad guy?
[00:53:21]  Putin.
[00:53:22]  So what are you, him?
[00:53:24]  It's like, oh, okay.
[00:53:26]  Like, what?
[00:53:28]  Can you imagine ever operating on this?
[00:53:30]  Like, like, I mean, in all seriousness, if you had a reasonably intelligent third grader and they made an argument like that, you could, you should be easy to, you know, very easily explain to them why that argument's flawed, right?
[00:53:47]  So like, if you were to go, if you were to say, like, oh, man, I really, I really don't like the Nazis.
[00:53:55]  And someone went, you know who else didn't like the Nazis?
[00:53:57]  Stalin.
[00:53:59]  So are you Stalin?
[00:54:00]  Who, by the way, I don't know if you're keeping track, slightly worse than Putin.
[00:54:04]  But if you go, so are you Stalin?
[00:54:06]  Be like, well, no, I mean, just because we have one thing in common that we both don't like the Nazis.
[00:54:10]  Well, no, the Nazis were very bad people.
[00:54:12]  So no, that doesn't make me Stalin.
[00:54:14]  I mean, Stalin's bad for murdering, you know, dozens of millions of people.
[00:54:18]  That's why he's bad, but he was right about not liking the Nazis, you see?
[00:54:22]  Like literally to a, to a, to a, like, one of the slower third graders, you should be able to explain that line of thinking and, like, they should get that at a third grade level.
[00:54:33]  You should understand that.
[00:54:34]  They'd be like, you know, like, you're a vegetarian.
[00:54:37]  Well, you know, who else was a vegetarian?
[00:54:38]  Hitler.
[00:54:39]  So are you Hitler?
[00:54:40]  It's like, well, no, because that had nothing to do with the problem with Hitler.
[00:54:44]  So that Megan McCain is just throwing these lazy, fat, dumb arguments out.
[00:54:51]  And I mean, it's, I just don't, I don't understand how you could throw that argument out on national television.
[00:54:56]  Go home and look at yourself in the mirror in your in your thinning mirror that you keep in your in your bedroom and not go, man, I just feel like a fucking asshole for actually saying that on national television.
[00:55:12]  I know it's the view and it's nothing but a bunch of clucking hens performing for other hens, but doesn't someone look at that and go, yeah, that's actually a pretty stupid argument.
[00:55:21]  Like forget what side of this you're on.
[00:55:23]  That is an incredibly stupid argument, but that's what Putin thinks too.
[00:55:29]  Okay, great.
[00:55:32]  All right, let's let's play.
[00:55:33]  I don't know if there's, there might be a little bit more that's interesting of this.
[00:55:36]  He put people in danger by refusing to redact sensitive information, including social security numbers and other private material.
[00:55:43]  I think the New York Times and everybody else put out the same information.
[00:55:45]  I think they actually put it out even before him.
[00:55:47]  I think he redacted more than they did.
[00:55:50]  So anyway, he's doing a nation.
[00:55:54]  And I think that, you know, he's obviously, he's gone where no man has gone before.
[00:55:58]  So I guess we're putting him, he's the man in the whale's mouth.
[00:56:02]  He's the, he's, you know, trying to set up it so other people can make sense of it because it's a new thing.
[00:56:08]  It's a new thing.
[00:56:09]  We're used to business as usual.
[00:56:11]  What I'd love to know is what was he trying to do?
[00:56:15]  What was his point?
[00:56:16]  Because he really, he actually did hurt quite a few people.
[00:56:20]  He actually did.
[00:56:21]  And I want to know what did he think he was doing?
[00:56:25]  What was his?
[00:56:26]  Pause it right there.
[00:56:27]  Isn't it crazy, right?
[00:56:28]  The world we live.
[00:56:29]  We're like, Whoopi Goldberg is supposed to be this like leftist humanitarian.
[00:56:33]  And it's like, well, he actually did put a lot of people at risk.
[00:56:37]  He did, which is not at all proven.
[00:56:39]  This is very contested, but okay.
[00:56:41]  Let's say he did.
[00:56:42]  So what was he trying to do, though?
[00:56:45]  Like when he exposed these war crimes, what was he trying to do?
[00:56:50]  Expose war crimes?
[00:56:52]  Demonstrate that governments were lying to their populations, that governments were working with media organizations?
[00:57:00]  Like, how do you even, how could any honest person look at look at WikiLeaks and go, what were they trying to do?
[00:57:10]  What were they trying?
[00:57:10]  And even Barbara Walters, who, I mean, we skipped over talking about this, but I love just like how people are like, because like we all have our worldview, but it's amazing when people are completely like there's this inability to critically look at your own worldview.
[00:57:26]  You know, like be like, okay, well, I guess this is what the other side is saying.
[00:57:29]  I guess this would be the argument.
[00:57:31]  So he goes, well, why, why would he release this information about Hillary Clinton?
[00:57:34]  I mean, why?
[00:57:35]  Does he love Donald Trump?
[00:57:37]  How come he didn't release dirt on Donald Trump?
[00:57:39]  He must have something on him.
[00:57:41]  Like, what?
[00:57:42]  I don't know.
[00:57:43]  Because Hillary Clinton was the Secretary of State and Donald Trump was the apprentice host.
[00:57:50]  So I don't know necessarily that there was as much damage.
[00:57:53]  Like, what do you think?
[00:57:54]  Donald Trump cheated to get Rodman passed to the next round?
[00:57:57]  Like, Donald Trump cheated to get Gary Busey out and Rodman through or something like that.
[00:58:02]  Like, yeah, he had more dirt on Hillary Clinton.
[00:58:06]  Anyway, but this question from Whoopi Goldberg of all people.
[00:58:10]  All right, let's play.
[00:58:12]  Is mine supposed to be?
[00:58:14]  Well, obviously there's other people probably could speak better for him than me, but he just believes in justice, believes in honesty, believes in exposing governments for what they're really doing, and people have the right to know what is happening, and there's so many awful war crimes that need to be exposed.
[00:58:30]  His whole intention is to stop these senseless wars.
[00:58:33]  War is a business.
[00:58:34]  It doesn't help us.
[00:58:36]  It doesn't help anybody.
[00:58:37]  And I think he really, a lot of people, being in France, being in Canada, aren't too happy with America and how they meddle into everybody's business and start all these senseless wars.
[00:58:46]  It's meddling in everybody's business too.
[00:58:48]  Well, he's exposing business.
[00:58:49]  Just pause it right there.
[00:58:50]  I don't know what to say.
[00:58:51]  2019, you win.
[00:58:54]  I throw in the towel, you fucking win.
[00:58:57]  Pam Anderson is making more sense than anybody at CNN or NBC News.
[00:59:03]  Pam Anderson.
[00:59:05]  She just nailed a point that's better than like what 99% of the corporate press says.
[00:59:11]  She goes, oh, you know, war is a business and it doesn't really help any of us that we fight all these wars and there's these horrific war crimes that have been exposed and still nobody's been held accountable for them.
[00:59:22]  That's better than 99% of them.
[00:59:24]  She just became one of the best journalists in the game.
[00:59:28]  There's 2019 for you.
[00:59:30]  Pam Anderson leading the way.
[00:59:33]  I mean, I don't know.
[00:59:34]  If we're not living in a simulation, God has a fucked up sense of humor.
[00:59:39]  But he's funny.
[00:59:40]  He's funny, dude.
[00:59:42]  So do they start banging soon?
[00:59:44]  Oh, yeah.
[00:59:44]  No, it's any minute now.
[00:59:46]  It's going to happen.
[00:59:46]  All right.
[00:59:47]  I think that's pretty much the end of what I wanted to play from that clip.
[00:59:51]  But I mean, I really did think that was quite incredible.
[00:59:55]  All right.
[00:59:56]  Do you think a producer got fired for having her on?
[00:59:59]  They're like, shit, that didn't go well at all.
[01:00:01]  Well, I'd imagine, you know, I really don't even know.
[01:00:05]  I don't know.
[01:00:06]  I just don't know what the views audience.
[01:00:08]  Like, that show is really dumb.
[01:00:10]  It's really, really dumb.
[01:00:12]  So I don't know what like the take on that was.
[01:00:15]  Oh, yeah, just easy.
[01:00:16]  You just talk over people, say bullshit, get paid millions of dollars.
[01:00:19]  Great.
[01:00:19]  Yeah, yeah, it's great.
[01:00:20]  But I'd imagine, I mean, look, maybe I'm just projecting my own sensibilities onto them, but I'd imagine like those women be just like, wow, Pam Anderson just made us look like assholes.
[01:00:30]  Like we look like fucking retards.
[01:00:33]  And we're supposed to be the ones who talk about worldly issues.
[01:00:36]  And this chick is like a Playboy playmate just schooling all of us.
[01:00:40]  I mean, that's, you know.
[01:00:41]  Anyway, good for Pam Anderson.
[01:00:42]  She did a great job.
[01:00:44]  Hey, so I want to transition.
[01:00:45]  I got one more story that I want to talk about and then we're going to wrap.
[01:00:48]  You know, as I said, I got a big debate coming up tomorrow night.
[01:00:50]  A little bit underprepared for this podcast, but we got one more story that I wanted to play.

=== Strange Abortion Views (15:17) ===

[01:00:54]  And this was, look, I know a lot of people have told me to leave the abortion conversation alone.
[01:01:02]  I'm not going to.
[01:01:03]  You're not?
[01:01:04]  No.
[01:01:05]  Never will.
[01:01:06]  Look, I don't, you know, feel however you feel about it.
[01:01:09]  It's one of those things where once you see it, it's very hard to unsee.
[01:01:14]  And I was really surprised.
[01:01:16]  I think even some of you pro-choice people might be able to join me.
[01:01:22]  Can I just be pro-roy?
[01:01:24]  How do I join this argument as just pro- Well, I don't know.
[01:01:27]  I understand you want to be pro-slut.
[01:01:28]  I just praised Pamela Anderson.
[01:01:30]  I'm doing my best here.
[01:01:31]  Okay.
[01:01:32]  But most people who I've talked to about the abortion issue, even people who consider themselves pro-choice, most of them have a limit somewhere where they'd go, you know, okay, I don't think you should be able to kill your baby after a certain amount of time.
[01:01:53]  Most people, and that's why that I think that, you know, when you show people that video of that, the Virginia governor talking about killing a baby after it's born or even right before it's born, most people go like, hey, you know, I don't care what the condition of the baby is.
[01:02:08]  It can't be okay to just kill a baby because then you go, you know, I mean, really, if you, uh, if if you uh, you know, if you're saying, like, oh, well, a baby has some horrible illness, but they're they're nine months in, you know, or they're eight and a half months.
[01:02:25]  There's really no difference between killing that and killing a three-month-old.
[01:02:28]  Like, morally speaking, it's so obvious to people.
[01:02:31]  I mean, I don't think there's a difference ever, but there's there really seems to be no difference at that point.
[01:02:39]  So, most people have a line where this is like, oh, this isn't super comfortable.
[01:02:43]  Anyway, this was tweeted out the other day by the AP.
[01:02:47]  This isn't Jezebel.com putting this story out.
[01:02:51]  I happened to just see this video because someone I follow, I guess, retweeted it or something.
[01:02:55]  And I was really kind of stunned by this one.
[01:02:57]  I thought this was interesting to talk about.
[01:03:00]  So let's play this video from the AP's Twitter.
[01:03:03]  I believe this was tweeted out yesterday.
[01:03:09]  What I would learn the hard way is when you first stop taking birth control, that first couple weeks, that first like few days, you're most fertile.
[01:03:17]  So I got pregnant in like early February.
[01:03:22]  And I wouldn't know, I have the suspicion I was pregnant until about late July.
[01:03:30]  All right, so let's pause it right there already.
[01:03:32]  How do you fuck that up?
[01:03:34]  So let's pause it right there.
[01:03:36]  So she's going to say that she didn't find out she was pregnant.
[01:03:40]  I'm sorry, what did she say?
[01:03:41]  She said in February until July.
[01:03:44]  She didn't find out until she's 20 plus weeks pregnant.
[01:03:49]  So, you know, you're talking about, what are we talking about here?
[01:03:52]  4, 8, 12, 16, 20.
[01:03:55]  So like five months pregnant?
[01:03:58]  So she goes, you know, I had no idea that you were more fertile when you first stopped taking birth control.
[01:04:05]  It's like, oh, okay.
[01:04:07]  I could kind of see not knowing that.
[01:04:10]  But did you realize that having sex while you're not on birth control could result in pregnancy?
[01:04:18]  Okay.
[01:04:18]  Now, the next thing they say, it's like, the next thing they go is like, you know, thousands of people are like this.
[01:04:22]  It's totally normal to get pregnant and have no idea for five months to everybody.
[01:04:28]  It happens to everyone.
[01:04:29]  Don't you?
[01:04:30]  You try to meet a woman who doesn't have that story.
[01:04:33]  Try to meet somebody who hasn't been pregnant for five months without going like, oh, what's this thing?
[01:04:37]  I got fucking, I got the worst indigestion right now.
[01:04:40]  It keeps kicking me right here.
[01:04:42]  Which, by the way, at that point, understand what you're talking about.
[01:04:45]  You're feeling kicks.
[01:04:46]  There is a baby inside of you that is kicking you.
[01:04:49]  Like, this is not, this is, this is what you, what a fetus at 25, 26 weeks looks like is a baby.
[01:04:57]  Indistinguishable.
[01:04:58]  Because that's exactly what it is.
[01:05:01]  And it's, you know, you know, when you see pictures of like people have their sonogram pictures and you're like, oh, there's a baby inside of her.
[01:05:08]  That's what you're looking at at a 26-week old fetus.
[01:05:12]  Indistinguishable.
[01:05:14]  It's not like, you know, the little thing that looks kind of like a tadpole.
[01:05:17]  That's been over for months.
[01:05:20]  Anyway, I'm sorry.
[01:05:21]  What are you going to say?
[01:05:21]  Yeah, aren't you missing a lot of periods then?
[01:05:23]  Like the United States?
[01:05:25]  One for every month.
[01:05:25]  Yeah.
[01:05:26]  Yes, that's right.
[01:05:27]  So how do you not like question that one?
[01:05:29]  I don't know.
[01:05:29]  Anyway, when we get like super sick, I thought in like the first couple months.
[01:05:33]  Yeah, they tend to.
[01:05:35]  People have different pregnancies, but I guess she just thought she was really nauseous for three months.
[01:05:40]  All right, let's keep playing this.
[01:05:41]  So already, obviously, a sympathetic figure here.
[01:05:43]  So let's keep playing.
[01:05:45]  I wasn't really talking to my family, so there wasn't any support there.
[01:05:48]  I was feeling pretty isolated.
[01:05:53]  Pretty, pretty panicky.
[01:05:58]  She's far from home.
[01:05:59]  According to AP analysts, at least 200 something.
[01:06:02]  I can't read the rest of that.
[01:06:03]  Abortions between states in 2012.
[01:06:06]  I don't know.
[01:06:07]  I was housing insecure at the time.
[01:06:09]  I had just started a job.
[01:06:11]  I didn't have any support.
[01:06:14]  I didn't have any health care.
[01:06:19]  Medical conditions masked her pregnancy.
[01:06:22]  So she didn't learn she was pregnant until what does it say, Brian?
[01:06:24]  26 weeks.
[01:06:25]  You might just want to make it not full screen within the box.
[01:06:28]  No, whatever.
[01:06:29]  It's fine.
[01:06:30]  They said that they would be able to help me, but I had to get there before I turned 28 weeks.
[01:06:35]  And so I had less than 10 days.
[01:06:37]  Can you pause it?
[01:06:38]  Okay, pause it.
[01:06:39]  So she had to go to New Mexico by the way.
[01:06:41]  What a great movie.
[01:06:41]  10 days?
[01:06:42]  Like a plane training and automobiles for an abortion?
[01:06:45]  So she has 10 days.
[01:06:46]  So she's 28 weeks.
[01:06:48]  28 weeks when she goes to murder her baby.
[01:06:54]  And that's the only place that will let her travel there?
[01:06:57]  That's right.
[01:06:58]  So let's keep playing.
[01:06:59]  My procedure would cost about $10,500.
[01:07:06]  Abortion support groups and a family helped her get the procedure.
[01:07:12]  It's not being made lightly.
[01:07:16]  So pause it for a second.
[01:07:17]  So for she goes, by the way, I really appreciate her going, this was not a decision to be made lightly.
[01:07:22]  Would that, like, holy shit, what type of evil world do we live in?
[01:07:27]  If you are talking about killing a child, and then you go, no, no, no, no, but it's not what you think about.
[01:07:32]  I knew this wasn't a decision to be made lightly.
[01:07:35]  Like, oh, well, thank you.
[01:07:36]  Thank you so much for putting some thought into it.
[01:07:38]  Understand, she goes, the procedure was going to cost $10,000.
[01:07:42]  And she was able to raise it.
[01:07:43]  She was able to get the $10,000 together.
[01:07:47]  Okay.
[01:07:50]  This woman has gone through 26 weeks.
[01:07:55]  I'm sorry, 28 weeks.
[01:07:56]  She said she was 10 days short of 28 weeks.
[01:07:59]  28 weeks of labor.
[01:08:01]  She's got about 10 weeks to go.
[01:08:04]  The baby is viable now.
[01:08:07]  They could literally induce her and there's a strong chance the baby would live and be fine.
[01:08:13]  She wouldn't put through the extra couple.
[01:08:16]  Like, I don't know, bitch, you skate it through 28 weeks without even knowing you're pregnant.
[01:08:21]  You can't do another 10 weeks and just give the baby up for adoption.
[01:08:24]  Give it to one of the like hundreds of thousands of families that are waiting to like dying to have a baby.
[01:08:31]  You couldn't do that.
[01:08:32]  Instead, you decide to go and have this fucking, you know, third term abortion.
[01:08:38]  And we're all supposed to look at you like, oh, what a sad story.
[01:08:41]  This affects millions of women.
[01:08:43]  It's not millions, whatever.
[01:08:45]  They said thousands of women or something.
[01:08:46]  But is it that?
[01:08:48]  I'm sorry.
[01:08:48]  Am I the only one that this is bonkers?
[01:08:50]  That the AP would put this out?
[01:08:52]  Like, this is a story.
[01:08:53]  Here, let's play the rest of the video.
[01:08:55]  On top of, or like, I didn't make it lightly because it was on top of a large emotional like turning point, like decision to make in my life.
[01:09:09]  It was a large financial decision to make.
[01:09:13]  She's since become an abortion's right activist.
[01:09:17]  Thank you, Ruby.
[01:09:18]  When I started to put my story out there, it's then people started reaching out to me.
[01:09:21]  They're like, oh, I'm so glad you said like you're open about this because I went through something similar and I've never known anyone else.
[01:09:28]  This is right here what makes it worth it.
[01:09:30]  Because if I can give back to people the one thing that I wanted more than anything when I was going through this, then my work is, then I've done what I've set out to do.
[01:09:41]  Like my work is done.
[01:09:43]  So, isn't that a beautiful story?
[01:09:46]  I'm confused about one element specifically.
[01:09:49]  It sounds to me like she holds on to some guilt about having to do this.
[01:09:52]  Well, of course, by the way, this is what you always fucking have in these stories.
[01:09:56]  And there's a weird admission in that almost.
[01:09:58]  But she's because it's like, yes, because you did something horrible.
[01:10:02]  But the way that she's absolving herself of her guilt is by taking on this charitable cause of convincing other people to absolve themselves of their guilt.
[01:10:10]  That doesn't like it's one thing like you murdered someone and you get off or you're like an O.J. Simpson guy and you go, all right, listen, rest of my life, I'm doing charity because I at least want to give back.
[01:10:19]  No, I'm charity is going to be to go to other OJ Simpsons and be like, hey, man, it was no big deal.
[01:10:26]  Don't feel bad.
[01:10:26]  I killed people too.
[01:10:27]  Don't feel bad about it.
[01:10:28]  And now I don't have to deal with the wife anymore.
[01:10:30]  I mean, dude.
[01:10:31]  It's really backwards.
[01:10:32]  Firstly, I mean, the whole thing fucks up.
[01:10:34]  It's sickening.
[01:10:34]  It is sickening, man.
[01:10:36]  But even her lodge doesn't even make, doesn't hold up, you know?
[01:10:42]  And the point that you even have to go...
[01:10:44]  It's like, this is also one of the things with the abortion issue that's so strange to me, right?
[01:10:49]  It's, what was the old Louis C.K. bit?
[01:10:52]  It was a great bit about abortion where he does.
[01:10:54]  I don't, you know, I'll butcher it, but it was something along the lines where he was like, abortion.
[01:10:58]  Well, no, he goes, abortion is either nothing or murdering a baby.
[01:11:05]  It's just, he does a bit about like what a gap between those two things are.
[01:11:08]  Like, which one of these things is it?
[01:11:10]  It's either nothing or you're murdering a baby.
[01:11:14]  Like, that's a huge, like, either or.
[01:11:17]  You know what I mean?
[01:11:17]  Like, you really better get that one right.
[01:11:19]  Anyway, he's got a funny bit about this back in the day.
[01:11:22]  But there's something about when she goes, why is it, right?
[01:11:25]  From the, if you're looking at this from the pro-choice, my body, my choice, a woman's right to reproductive freedom, whatever.
[01:11:32]  And you're going to say, you know, this is terrible what happened to this woman.
[01:11:36]  It's so good that this clinic was able to help her out, that she was able to raise the money.
[01:11:40]  And thank God she's going and helping other people who are in a similar position.
[01:11:43]  Like, okay.
[01:11:44]  But then why is it, is it necessary to go, I didn't make this decision lightly?
[01:11:51]  Well, what's that about?
[01:11:53]  What does it matter if you made it lightly or not, right?
[01:11:55]  It's not a kid.
[01:11:56]  There's no moral issue.
[01:11:57]  It's not a kid, right?
[01:11:57]  So who cares if you made the decision lightly?
[01:12:00]  Why don't you just go, eh, you know, I was smoking a button, fuck it, let's go for it.
[01:12:03]  Let's do it.
[01:12:04]  I think there's something in there that's even an admission of going like, and just so you know, I didn't just like make it lightly.
[01:12:10]  Like I really thought about it beforehand, but I'm in a tough financial, I wasn't housing secure.
[01:12:15]  I mean, like, why?
[01:12:16]  Okay, so I had, you have a two-month-old and you're not housing secure.
[01:12:20]  Like, I don't know.
[01:12:20]  Give the baby up.
[01:12:22]  There's, you know what I mean?
[01:12:22]  Like, no one accepts you can then just kill the baby.
[01:12:25]  No one accepts you can just leave the baby in the woods, you know, and like bail on it.
[01:12:28]  It's like, you know, you can, there's all types of things like what were those like boxes in front of fire houses where you fucking go.
[01:12:35]  You can leave a baby.
[01:12:36]  No questions asked.
[01:12:37]  They'll just take the baby.
[01:12:38]  You can put your baby up for adoption.
[01:12:40]  You can get rid of the baby if you want to.
[01:12:42]  What do they do?
[01:12:43]  They'll have to kill it.
[01:12:44]  What do they do with those off-the-grid babies?
[01:12:46]  Like, how do you do that?
[01:12:46]  They put them up for adoption.
[01:12:47]  But how do you, but you know nothing about that?
[01:12:49]  Like, they don't even try and figure out where the baby came from.
[01:12:52]  No, they're the rule is, and I think it's state by state, but I think this is true in every state in America.
[01:12:58]  The rule is basically, and this is basically to encourage people not to leave their babies in dumpsters or do all types of fucked up shit like that.
[01:13:04]  Is they go, we will not ask any questions.
[01:13:06]  We will ask no questions.
[01:13:07]  What if you put in there as a goof?
[01:13:10]  Well, you're not getting your baby back.
[01:13:11]  Or you take someone else's baby and shove it in there.
[01:13:13]  Like, how do they not just?
[01:13:14]  That person might be able to get their baby back.
[01:13:16]  But there's that, you put it in, there's like this box where you can put a baby.
[01:13:19]  Oh, I saw it, and then it rings an alarm and the firemen come and get it, and then they bring it like to a hospital, I think, and examine it, and then they'll put it like right away into the system.
[01:13:29]  At that point, though, are women even like dropping it off nicely?
[01:13:31]  Are they like putting on a hoodie and like trying to sneak over and like shoving it in and daring it the other way?
[01:13:36]  They're like, hey, bro, bet I can make this shot.
[01:13:39]  I don't know.
[01:13:40]  But isn't it such a library?
[01:13:42]  What is the sick world we live in that anybody, how could anybody listen to this shit?
[01:13:47]  Listen, let's just say, okay, maybe I'm being insensitive and I don't know enough about this condition.
[01:13:52]  And this happens to some women.
[01:13:54]  She had other medical conditions that masked the fact that she was pregnant.
[01:13:58]  You don't realize you're pregnant until you're like six months pregnant.
[01:14:01]  Okay, let's say that happens.
[01:14:03]  Is it really that crazy to take the position, forget the position that, you know, first trimester abortions shouldn't be allowed?
[01:14:12]  Forget that position.
[01:14:13]  Is it really that crazy to go, once you come in six months pregnant and you go, I'm sorry you didn't notice this, you got to carry this thing to term.
[01:14:21]  I'm sorry, there's 10 weeks left.
[01:14:23]  It's a fully formed baby that is viable at this point.
[01:14:26]  You can't go, I'm sorry, you're going to have to go through it.
[01:14:29]  By the way, just so people understand, because they'll go like, oh, well, you know, but then you're saying this woman has to deliver a baby.
[01:14:36]  Let me tell you something.
[01:14:37]  She's delivering a baby.
[01:14:38]  No matter how you do this, there's a baby inside of you.
[01:14:41]  That baby's got to come out.
[01:14:43]  There's not some pill that you take that makes your baby go away.
[01:14:46]  You have a baby inside of you.
[01:14:48]  They're going to go in there and extract it and yank limbs off.
[01:14:51]  Like this is going to be a brutal procedure at that stage.
[01:14:55]  Go, anybody who's not with me on this, go look up what an abortion at 28 weeks is.
[01:15:02]  It is so, if you don't, if you're unaware of what the procedure is and you're kind of like, well, it can't be that.
[01:15:07]  It's way worse than you think.
[01:15:08]  Way, way worse than you think.
[01:15:11]  They're going to crush this baby's skull and yank each limb out of you individually.
[01:15:16]  And then the abortionist is going to put all of their limbs out on a fucking table and make sure they got all of the pieces so there's not some baby pieces still left in you.
[01:15:25]  It's the most satanic evil shit you could imagine.
[01:15:29]  Yeah.
[01:15:30]  A baby puzzle.
[01:15:31]  I mean, I'm sure that part of it is kind of fun, but it's still evil.
[01:15:34]  But anyway, I just couldn't believe this.
[01:15:35]  I couldn't believe the AP is just putting this out.
[01:15:37]  Like, this isn't some far left-wing activist site, or at least I didn't think it was.
[01:15:42]  Evidently, it is.
[01:15:43]  But holy Jesus.
[01:15:45]  So that's the message we're going to leave you with today.
[01:15:48]  Baby murder is completely accepted and we're never getting out of Afghanistan.
[01:15:52]  Also, I'm going to be debating Nick Star Walk tomorrow night.
[01:15:54]  That's it for today.
[01:15:55]  Go listen to Run Your Mouth.
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[01:16:01]  Goodbye.
[01:16:08]  Are we done?
[01:16:09]  What happened to the choo-ju-ju-juhu?
[01:16:11]  We don't do that anymore?