Janine Garofalo and Dave Kinney dissect the Obama-Romney debates, contrasting Romney's aggressive "liar" attacks with Ryan's nervous mimicry of Obama's cool demeanor. They critique the NDAA's warrantless detention powers and drone strikes as ignored debate topics while analyzing the Sanctity of Human Life Act's potential to criminalize IVF. Despite Obama's anti-war 2008 stance, they note his continued troop presence in Iraq and predict a decisive victory if he performs aggressively, ultimately arguing that substantive foreign policy differences remain elusive despite media silence on civil liberties. [Automatically generated summary]
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Comedy Game Plan00:04:33
Hello, my name is Janine Garoffalo and you're listening to Part of the Problem.
You're mouthing along with me.
My temperature is running high.
Right at night, no one in sight.
And we got so much to share.
All right, well, I am here at Eastville Comedy Club, and I'm very lucky to have the one and only Janine Garoffolo sitting down with me for a couple minutes.
Thank you very much, Janine.
Or sitting, I'm sorry, you were standing.
I was standing, I'm sitting now.
Now you're sitting.
I didn't mean to make it like I was digging.
No, no, no, that's okay.
I prefer to sit.
I'm here with Janine.
Sit, please.
I'm sitting.
Yes.
Well, thank you very much for sitting down with me for a couple minutes.
So you've been working here at Eastville Comedy Club quite a lot, like for a while now, for a few months.
You've been like a regular here.
Yes, thankfully, Marco has allowed me to do like as, you know, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
Yeah, it's cool.
It's cool.
We've gotten to work together on a bunch of shows, which is very cool to see kind of like, you know, someone who has accomplished so much in comedy compared to, you know, I've accomplished what some might describe as nothing in comedy.
Others might describe that for me as well.
And plus, I live right near here.
Well, that is nice.
But it's kind of cool to see you, you know, you've been around comedy a long time.
You've done a lot of different stuff.
You have, you're always kind of like working out new stuff.
I never see you run like the same set.
Yeah, that's that noble.
That's lack of discipline.
Well, is that just like kind of your style?
Or is that like what you like to do?
Well, somebody told me a long time ago that your style chooses you.
And which is very true because I have never been a person who's real disciplined.
And like, I'm going to write it out.
I'm going to have it.
And then I'm going to work it and work it and work it until it's good, you know, the best it can be.
I am really scattered when I get up there, and then I get distracted and I go on tangents.
And then there's some stuff when I panic that I just pull out and I'm like, why are you doing that again?
It's just what happens to come to me.
It's just what happens.
And I hate that when I do that.
So you've said that before a number of times.
There's no need to panic and go to that material.
I feel the same way sometimes.
I say, I feel like I'm very bad at sticking to a game plan as a comic.
I'll be like, I want to do this.
And so I find myself going in a different direction.
And you even have that part of your brain that's like, go back to the direction you wanted to go in, but somehow it just doesn't work that way.
Well, I have a thing where I like to, you know, I've been doing it since 85.
So it would be just the height of mundane and boring to do the same type of thing over and over with a very regimented style.
And I always try to start with at least something new just right off the bat.
You know what I mean?
Just or whatever has just happened or whatever I am thinking right off the bat and then I can go into stuff I've already done.
So just to either start it just differently.
When you're coming out, is that what you're looking forward to for the night?
Is like the thing that's new kind of on your mind?
Well, I look forward to it till it bombs.
And I get very excited about certain things.
Like, oh, I can't wait to talk about this.
And then it just does not go as well as it did in my kitchen when I was thinking of it.
And I do always bring papers or a notebook up with me with a loosely beated outline of what I'd like to get to.
I almost never even look at the paper, which is the weirdest thing.
Right, yes, I've noticed that.
I've noticed that you've never seen it.
They sit there on the stool.
And I never even, I actually do have a game plan.
It just never seems to come to me.
But it always, it seems like you always, you know, you'll have a thought about last night's debate, and then that kind of seems to take over where you're going to be.
Or just something that could have happened on Walking Over Hero or something like that.
Like tonight will be a lot about the premiere of The Walking Dead, which I'm missing right now.
Accepting the Wing00:15:44
Are you a big fan?
Yes.
Now, I heard you say you haven't gotten to Breaking Bad yet.
No, not Breaking Bad.
Don't be angry, whoever's listening.
I will get to it.
I just hope you can get it.
I know you got it.
That always upsets some people.
I will watch anything about the undead, the infected, zombies, whatever it is.
I just enjoy that.
Well, I learned something about you tonight.
And I watched 25 minutes of the premiere before walking over here.
It's an hour show?
It's an hour show, and it'll be repeated again tonight.
But it was very difficult to tear myself away from the couch.
Okay.
All right.
Well, now I want to ask, you've never been someone who's you've always been willing to take a stance with your politics.
I think you're pretty well known as a Cheney conservative.
Yes, I have been a campus conservative.
I'm looking at the wrong notes here.
I am fiscally prudent, and I am in a state of party.
I used to be in the John Birch Society.
A pro-life.
I'm a Barry Goldwater conservative for a while.
That's right.
As everyone knows.
Well, obviously you've been a progressive for a long time.
I've been a liberal.
I don't say progressive because that's a word that because the right wing has been very successful in turning the word liberal into a dirty word for some reason.
And actually liberal is something we'd be very proud of.
And if it weren't for liberal thinking and social justice issues, we wouldn't have half the things that we take for granted today.
Sure.
But because conservatives can't have liberal, you know, progressive, forward-thinking evolution, it's bad for their business.
No pun intended with evolution.
Evolved.
Progressive as opposed to regressive.
But they have turned that and the word feminist, which blows my mind.
There's nothing to be ashamed of to say you're a feminist.
It just means you believe in social justice and equity.
Equality of law, equality of law.
For everyone, that's for everyone.
And it's very disappointing when people shy away from that word and shy away from liberal.
It's something to be very proud of.
Okay, but you don't like the word progressive?
No, only because the reason people have started saying it is they backed off liberal.
Conservatives have turned it into.
So when Hillary Clinton made that concession, she said, I'm not a liberal.
That is a bad concept.
Yes.
You don't like the concession.
I don't like the concession.
It's pandering.
Okay, I like that.
I agree with you.
Now, I know we've gotten to talk a little bit over the last few months.
We've been working together.
And I know that there are certainly things that you've been disappointed with the Obama administration about.
I don't think you're shy about saying that.
I think the NDAA...
Well, there's so many things.
I mean, I'm thrilled that he won.
I'm thrilled that he's there.
It makes a positive statement about this country and about who we are as a society.
And it's certainly better than the alternative.
But his acquiescence to the Republican Congress and the media and the right, you know, the alleged Tea Party, which is just a subset of the Republican Party, the amount he gives away to them in his efforts to be bipartisan or conciliatory makes no sense.
And it's harmful to us as a society.
Well, it seems like, I mean, it's the range of debate seems to be between, And I say this quite a bit, but the range is like from the Obama-Biden position is we need to get ready to bomb Iran.
And the Romney Paul Ryan position is, that's insane.
We need to bomb Iran today.
Like, that's like the range of debate that we have.
Democrats are always so willing, not all of them, but they're always so willing to move to the right because they are somehow under the impression, just because pundits say it, or just because you know the babies in the right wing, they're the loudest babies, they cry the loudest, they make the most noise, they keep giving in, but it doesn't represent the majority of the country and it doesn't represent what's best for us as a country.
So, you know, the right wing panders to their base, to the detriment of society.
The Democrats uh, ignore the base, to the detriment of society.
But that's the nature of a personality, of somebody that would be a Democrat versus a Republican.
Uh, you know, over the last 30 years the Republican Party has actually moved into being very similar to, in Britain the, the National Front um, which is a white nationalist party almost uh, similar to the skinhead movement um right well, I mean it seems to me that there's really the whole small government thing is really just a myth, like there's nothing small about the government they want, and in fact, the creepiest thing is that it seems to be like they're really the big government party.
I mean, this is the party who wants to be like monitoring vagina.
They want to monitor everything except business.
Uh, they want deregulation and they want to make sure that Wall Street can do whatever it wants.
You know, they they want government out of their way for business, but they want government in every issue of your personal life, which is not allegedly what conservative see.
I, almost I I I, I agree with you, but i'd almost like argue that they don't even really want government out of the way for business.
They claim to want government out of the way to get government out of the way for the stuff that helps people, but they like government there when it helps the bus.
You know what I mean.
Like they like corporate welfare but, but I mean they want to keep their three regulations that like help them, like they it's, but it's very elastic, as everything they say it's very elastic.
Um, if it works for them, they're for it.
If it doesn't work for them.
But then, of course, you have the intractability of the Republican Party.
Since Obama won the election, they're just not going to give him any victory, even if it's policies they themselves supported at one time.
Do you sometimes wish the Democrats had some of that in them?
So sorry, I think you are awesome.
Can I take a picture absolutely absolutely, literally 30 seconds.
But uh yeah no no, it's absolutely no problem, literally 30 seconds.
No, it's cool.
This is how podcasting works.
You can kind of get that in cool and it's like a cool thing.
So it's very kind of unstructured.
I told them to do that during the podcast, each to do that.
So it seems like i'm popular.
Thank you good work.
Your timing was excellent.
Thank you, guys.
You did your part.
Now wait in the back of the house.
So the last thing I get is it, uh, is it just upsetting to you that so far, we've had two debates?
Um, i'd imagine you were happier with the vice presidential debate than was the first one.
You liked him a lot better than you liked Obama, because I know that's that seems to be the most.
Most liberals are a little happier with this last one.
Is it upsetting to you that like so?
Okay, so two debates so far.
No questions about the NDAA provision of arresting indefinite, you know, with no charges on American citizens.
Nothing about the Patriot Act.
Nothing about Occupy Wall Street.
So many huge issues that you would think anyway.
I mean, you know, I was on West Wing for one season, and we did an episode where Jimmy Smiths and Alan Alda debate.
And my character was Jimmy Smith's campaign advisor.
And so we had a consultant on set who really told us what it's like when you meet before the debates, the rules that are agreed to.
The rules that are agreed to, and this has been in place for years and years, is no tough question.
You know what I mean?
Like, make sure the moderator is not going to play hardball.
It's rigged completely.
Make sure there's no third parties involved.
You know what I mean?
Do you think that would be the solution?
Like a Ralph Nader or someone like that on stage who would kind of make them talk about these issues?
It would be great.
And in the primaries, it actually works because these candidates who aren't going to win probably, but they ask tough, you know, they speak their mind more on both sides.
But yeah, there's a reason they don't allow people like Ralph Nader into the debate.
Right.
They don't want to have to deal with those.
And there's this long list of rules that are agreed to by the moderator and the candidates about what we will not discuss.
And no follow-ups on this.
It's complete sham.
Yeah, I really think almost if that's how they get away with it, you know?
And that's it.
All right, well, listen, I told you I asked for five minutes and I've kept you for about 12.
And you have some adoring fans who are real fans, by the way.
These do not pay it.
That was a joke, a very funny joke.
But these are real fans.
So, Janine, thank you so much for sitting down with us.
Thank you.
We have stand now.
Yes, you may.
Just the absolute final thing I'll get.
If you could just do a promotion, just say Janine Graffalo, and the show is called Part of the Problem.
It's just like you're listening to Part of the Problem.
Okay.
Hello, my name is Janine Garoffalo, and you're listening to Part of the Problem.
You're mouthing along with me.
Perfect.
Thank you so much, Janine.
You're the best.
Do you want to touch it?
Do you want to touch it?
Do you want to touch the fail?
Do you want to touch it?
Hello, hello.
Whoa, what's up?
I needed some Joan Jet to get me fucking going today, Jets Cup.
That was a sick intro.
I needed, I've been in need of something, you know, to get my energy up.
That's why I have chocolate chip cookies and two coffees in front of me.
I really just look like a maniac.
Like, you should come in and I'm spouting out conspiracy theories.
I figured it out.
It's the government.
They've been in it all along.
It's the cookies.
They're putting stuff in our water to make us commies or whatever.
Oh, Joan Jett.
All right, but it should.
I got to get energy up, right?
Lots going on.
We had a great vice presidential debate.
That was so much fun.
Yeah.
Well, all right.
I guess.
I guess fun is the term you would use.
Yes, fun, entertaining.
We have a hopefully, if everything, nothing falls through, we have a special guest who I'll sit down one-on-one with on the show.
If her name is in the title of the episode, that's a hint that it worked out.
Or if you hear her in the opening, that's a good hint that probably it worked out.
But if not, I'll just leave it at that so it's not too weird if something falls through.
But hopefully we'll get that on this episode.
And yeah, a lot of fun stuff going on.
And then we have another presidential debate coming up this week.
So it's really the height of the election season.
Yes.
So the vice presidential debate, let's start there.
You said you thought it was so much fun.
I thought it was great.
All right.
Let's have it.
It's fun.
Not informative, just fun.
All right.
I'll hear out your reasoning.
But first, I'm just going to say I disagree.
I thought it was terrible.
I would sum it up as I saw a nerd doing math and an old guy who thought his math was hilarious.
Like, that was pretty much what I saw of the debate.
Paul Ryan just kept rattling off numbers that were pretty shitty, pretty fuzzy, like shady math.
They were numbers that didn't.
And Joe Biden would just laugh his way through it.
I don't know.
I guess people seem to like that, but go ahead.
You like the debate.
You like Joe Biden, right?
I love Joe Biden.
I love Joe Biden.
And what is it about him?
I think it's something similar to why you love Bill Clinton.
I think there's a quality.
What is this quality?
I don't know.
He's just like such an old dude.
He's just a crazy old dude.
I think.
I like crazy old dudes.
Did you grow up with a really cool, crazy old dude or something like that?
I don't think so.
I don't know.
I like Joe Biden because I'm inclined to trust him because I don't think he has the mental capacity to lie to me.
Am I crazy about it?
Or he's so diabolically cunning, but he plays it off so well that he's even better at it.
Maybe.
I can't decide, but either way, I respect it.
I like it.
He seems like such a phony to me.
I mean, they both do.
Like, Paul Ryan completely just seems like a complete phony to me.
I just thought of the debate.
They both come off like so like, I mean, that part where they ask him about their religion, how the religion affects their life.
Which, by the way, I hate that question.
Like, can we just not, do we have to have them bullshit for three minutes about my faith affects everything?
Like, look down, somber voice.
Yeah.
Here I go.
It's just so like rehearsed bullshit.
Well, this is what I liked.
And I do think Martha Radditz was showing a bit of her liberal bias in this.
They brought up religion during the abortion question, which she saved for the end, which was deliberate because she clearly wanted it to stay on people's minds.
What's interesting about that, they talk about their faith, and then Paul Ryan says, you know, my beliefs in abortion, and the reason why I'm pro-life is, you know, it's based in science.
And then he talks about the sonogram of his first daughter looking like a bean, but he didn't mention any science.
There was no science there.
Yeah, it's, yeah, the whole thing's crazy.
It's all crazy.
He, I thought both of their positions are kind of crazy, though.
It was like the abortion thing.
Paul Ryan said more or less, he said, I am pro-life.
I believe life begins at conception.
Yeah.
But we're running on a platform.
And then he kind of said something along the lines of, you know what, I don't want to do this wrong.
Let me try to find the clip and play that.
Hold on.
I think this is.
Damn it.
I'm really.
Vice President Biden.
My religion defines who I am.
And I've been a practicing Catholic my whole life.
And it has particularly informed my social doctrine.
Catholic social doctrine talks about taking care of those who can't take care of themselves, people who need help.
With regard to abortion, I accept my church's position on abortion as a, what we call de fide doctrine.
Life begins at conception.
That's the church's judgment.
I accept it in my personal life.
But I refuse to impose it on equally devout Christians and Muslims and Jews.
I just refuse to impose that on others.
Okay, so that was Biden's thing.
I'll do that first.
I think that's crazy.
I think that's fucking retarded.
How can that be your philosophy?
What the fuck is that?
I believe life starts at conception.
So I believe it's murder, but I don't have the right to impose that you can't murder people on someone.
Like, if it's life, like, I don't know.
To me, that's a very hard thing to recognize.
Like, look, I'm pro-choice.
I'm not arguing the other side.
I'm pro-choice because it's not.
I mean, I don't know.
To say I accept the Catholic view that life begins at conception and life is precious, but I'm not going to impose that you can't kill someone.
So that, like, what the hell is the point of government if they can't impose that you can't murder?
Well, I think he was just saying, like, he understands that not everyone believes the same thing that he does.
So it's not his place to impose his religious belief on other people in terms of the law.
Right.
I get what you're saying.
I just, to me, it seems a little like, like, I don't think there's anything, I just don't think it's a human when you're talking about abortion at a very early level where it's not, I mean, something in a Petri dish is not a human life to me.
But whatever.
I don't know.
I just think there's something like that.
I don't think it's human until they're like six.
It's fine.
Definitely.
They have to be like in the third trimester of their life.
I say 60s at this point.
I don't know.
I just think there's something.
To say I accept the Catholic position that this is a life, but then I'm going to be okay with taking this life.
There seems to be some problem with that philosophy to me.
I don't know.
I can see, I see where you're coming from, but I see where he's coming from, and I agree with him a little bit more.
Just because I believe, like, if I were a religious person, I have no soul, so I don't care.
Birth Control Gray Area00:11:15
But if I were a religious person and I didn't believe that people should drive at night, I just wouldn't drive at night.
I wouldn't be like, don't you drive at night?
That's bad.
That's one bad thing.
Yeah, but if you believe something's murder, then you should be against murder.
I mean, that's the logical conclusion.
If you believe something's murder and you go, look, I think it's murder, but hey, you want to murder people?
Murder.
Like, that's kind of, I don't know.
Whose view is that you can murder people?
Like, I don't know.
I think, look, I think, like, everyone does who's saying, I think once you have a baby, you can't kill your baby, right?
Everyone believes that.
But I would never say...
No, you come on.
You can drop him off at the hospital like you've done for the last three.
But he.
But, you know, it's so that's you can't kill your baby.
Like, but I would never go, like, look, that's my opinion.
I think you can't kill your baby.
Hey, if you think you can kill your baby, you go ahead and kill your baby.
It's like, no, you can't kill your fucking baby.
And someone needs to stop you if you try to or arrest you if you do.
You know, like, so I just don't get again.
I'm completely pro-choice.
I'm a small government guy.
I think that's pretty consistent to be, you know, people make their own choices.
I don't want the government involved in any of this crap.
The other thing is, too, Joe Biden's argument is like when you look at a lot of Catholics, it's a very Catholic argument to make.
They only abide by the parts of the Catholic doctrine that they like and that are convenient.
And anything else?
You just go to confession and stuff.
I hate that, though.
I hate the like pick and choose religion stuff.
I hate that.
Either be in or out.
Yeah, that's how the Church of England started.
He was like, oh, fuck.
I can't get a divorce and start my own church.
And here it's okay.
So, you know.
Okay.
Well, I'll say we may agree to disagree there, but I think we will agree to agree that Paul Ryan's response was even worse.
So let's get that.
Congressman Ryan.
All I'm saying is if you believe that life begins at conception, that therefore doesn't change the definition of life.
That's a principle.
The policy of a Romney administration is to oppose abortion with exceptions for rape, incest, and life of the mother.
Now, I've got to take issue with the Catholic Church and religious liberty.
You have to believe that.
If they agree with you, why would they keep suing you?
It's a distinction without a difference.
I want to go back to the abortion question here.
If the Romney Ryan ticket is elected, should those who believe that abortion should remain legal be worried?
We don't think that unelected judges should make this decision, that people through their elected representatives and reaching a consensus in society through the democratic process should make this determination.
It's so ridiculous.
He literally goes, he goes, life begins at conception, and I think abortion is murder.
But if you get raped, then you can murder your baby.
I just don't get it.
It's such a weird.
I don't understand how you can have that position.
Like, it's just so inconsistent.
Again, I think it's crazy.
I'm pro-choice, but.
I mean, I. How can you be kind of?
How can you believe something's murder, but not, but like, there's sometimes it's cool.
Yeah, here's what's interesting about Paul Ryan.
His stance on abortion.
And actually, no, let me rephrase this.
When Paul Ryan authored the Sanctity of Human Life Act, it basically tried to define life as beginning at fertilization, okay?
Which means that if it had passed, Mitt Romney's son would be a criminal.
Granted, it would be an ex post facto law, but he would be a criminal because his kids were basically a test tube, baby.
And with in vitro fertilization.
No, they were born out of like magic Mormon juice or something like that.
That would be, there would be a provision in the law.
Yeah, but in vitro fertilization, any embryos they don't need, they're like, oh, fuck them.
So I thought that was pretty interesting.
And also, Paul Ryan mentioned to Joe Biden that they were using tech, that Democrats wanted to use taxpayer funds to support abortions.
And that hasn't happened in 30 years because of the Hyde Amendment, which prevents taxpayer dollars from being used to fund abortions here and abroad.
Look at you, Jessica.
Do your homework this week.
I know everything about abortion.
I know everything about it.
I have a lot of slutty friends.
I know everything about abortion.
Well, as someone who's knocked up a few of those slutty friends, I want to say, all this stuff is pretty creepy to me.
It's one of the creepier things about the Republicans.
And that's one of the scary things about, like, if Mitt Romney gets elected to me.
I mean, I'm far from an Obama guy, as anyone who listens to the show knows.
I just want to be able to kill babies.
Well, it's not, it's like, look, he's going to give a lot more control to like the Republicans in Congress, like the Paul Ryan guys, who seem to be all about these weird abortion laws and shoving stuff inside you before you can get an abortion and all this crazy, creepy shit.
And it's pretty weird that the Tea Party, everybody in the media talks about the whole narrative is like the Tea Party is so extreme and they pulled the Republicans all the way over to this crazy Tea Party right, which is very weird to me because like the Tea Party is over.
The Tea Party completely failed on every level.
The Tea Party was not in any way about any of these social issues.
They never talked about this shit at any of these rallies.
It was all about the debt and deficits and government getting too big.
And they had sent some people to Congress and they absolutely failed on every single level.
What are you talking about?
They sent them in there.
We were $13 trillion in debt.
We're $16 trillion in debt now.
They raised the debt ceiling.
They've agreed to all these, you know, like nothing.
They got absolutely nothing done.
I think they cut something, they cut, you know, $75 out of the budget or something like that.
And they got nothing done.
But they did get in there and start trying to pass all these creepy, you know, social, all these creepy, like, social laws.
And that's, I don't know.
There's something that fucking scares me.
So I definitely don't like that stuff.
And then the other thing Paul Ryan mentioned when he was responding to Joe Biden and the war in the Catholic Church, obviously most of us know a lot of this is based in the Affordable Care Act, Obamacare, wanting employers to cover contraception.
He made exemptions for Catholics and for faith-based organizations and businesses.
They weren't satisfied with them, but they did their best.
I just think they should move on to other shit.
And as a matter of fact, pro-lifers should be happy about covering birth control because a study was done.
And this is very duh, very obvious.
But a study was done in, I believe it was St. Louis where they gave a bunch of women free birth control.
And guess what happened, Dave?
What's that?
The abortion rate dropped.
Could you believe it?
Yeah, but I mean, I don't, I mean, look, I don't, I almost don't, I don't even care.
Look, I don't, I don't agree with that free birth control should be mandated.
I mean, I think people are responsible for themselves.
They should be responsible to get their own birth control.
My take is I think government should be 100% out of this business.
Government should not be in the business of people's sex lives.
This is, I mean, Jesus Christ, of all the things the government should be out of the business of, which there's a lot of, this is like the number one thing.
Like, this is crazy.
You can't, look, it's very, Roe v. Wade to me is very, very reasonable.
It's like, look, the number one purpose of a free country, the government in a free country is supposed to be like protecting freedom.
That's what they're there for.
Right?
The idea of like government of the people.
So the judgment is just more or less, eh, well, while something's inside the body of a woman, that's your domain.
I mean, look, I understand even believing it's a life in there.
And clearly, I think we'd all have a problem with very late-term abortion.
There's a gray area there that I think even very pro-choice people will admit.
Certainly, like, obviously, you know, the day before a woman's due, if she wanted to have an abortion, I think even the most pro-choice people would be like, I'm going to try to talk this woman into having her kid tomorrow.
But I would take it.
It's like, I'm going to try to talk you into that.
While something is in your body, I mean, if you don't own your own body, then there's literally, there's no such thing as like freedom.
So that's just got, but I don't think I also do get pretty turned off when like liberals who should be fighting these crazy laws, like they should be fighting them, definitely.
But then they like say, there's this war on women and they throw into it this insurance, this law that says an insurance company has to cover your birth control.
And that's a very, there's like a law in there that's a very, very different thing.
Birth control, first off, is not, okay, I don't want to.
I know there's like a tiny, tiny percentage of people who take birth control who take them for legitimate health reasons.
So maybe an exception for them or something.
If you're taking birth control for legitimate health reasons, but that's like a tiny, tiny percentage.
Birth control is not a health issue.
It's a fun issue.
Birth control is for fun.
And it's for fun for men and women, both.
I mean, that's what you get, people go on birth control and they're sexually active and they're, you know, there's, I mean, look, yeah, you might get pregnant without it, but you may not.
I don't know.
It's not, I don't see any reason why people should be mandated to buy something for you.
And it's very, very dishonest to me when people start talking about the right to birth control.
Like, as if, like, when did the right to something start just implying that it's free?
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Like, the right to a gun never implied that the government's going to buy you a gun.
It's like you have the right to birth control.
No one's questioning that.
No one's illegalizing birth control.
Like, you have the right to go buy birth control from someone who's selling it to you.
I don't get like it costs a certain amount of money to make that birth control.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
And all that'll happen, by the way, if you do, what will end up happening is birth control prices will skyrocket when they're free because that's what happens is it's never actually free.
They just mean insurance companies have to pay for them.
And then someone's insurance companies have to pay for them.
What do you think birth control companies are going to do?
They're going to charge more because they have to pay for them.
This is what happens in all these things.
This is why every time the government mandates something, you see prices skyrocketing.
I want the right to a Ferrari, if that's the case.
I would love that.
Yeah, sure, exactly.
I'm entitled to it.
It's mine.
Yes, I would love that too.
We would all genuinely love that.
And people will try to get stuff if they can.
Yeah.
But the point I was making was: you know, so many pro-lifers are against it, but it winds up preventing abortion, which is ultimately what they say that they want.
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So it's almost like they want to have it both ways.
Yeah, I see what you're saying.
I mean, if you are pro-life, I guess having the pill out there would be a thing.
I mean, to be honest, I'm really against a lot of the federal spending and all this stuff.
Like I said, I want the government to be out of this business, but stuff like Planned Parenthood, when they talk about cutting Planned Parenthood, I mean, of all the stuff the federal government does, giving some access to birth control pills and stuff like that for people in poor areas is probably one of the better things.
Yeah.
Like, let's save cutting that for, you know, so we get everything else in order.
Well, yeah, because that winds up saving money on entitlement programs later.
Yeah, quite possibly.
And that's, but that's the mess of socialism: all of a sudden, you know, one socialist program is needed to fix the last one.
One of the things I thought was crazy in the debate was just the foreign policy stuff and how they're really trying to create the idea that there's a difference between these two parties and there just isn't.
No.
It's like it's just so like the Obama administration is like, we should bomb Iran.
And then the Romney position is like, we should bomb Iran today.
Exactly.
And it's crazy that they're not putting today at the end of their statement.
And they've literally said it's the problem.
It's like, what policies would you change?
And they've got nothing.
They just say, well, the tone's got to be even harsher.
And it's almost like I think Dave Kinney kind of nailed it when he was on the show a couple weeks ago when he said it's just like they have these cards they have to play and no matter what the circumstances are, they just still play the card.
He's like, you know, my card says weak on defense.
So you guys are weak on defense.
There's no bearing in reality.
It's all ridiculous.
They both have the exact same foreign policy, the exact same.
And it's very weird in the debate how it's almost like they're trying to convince you.
If you kind of look at it from this perspective, they're always arguing that there's no difference between the two of them, no matter what it is.
Like Rom, you know, they'll be like Joe Biden will be like, these guys want to, you know, tax, you know, cut taxes for the rich.
And they're like, well, Biden's, excuse me, Ryan's counter-argument is, well, you guys extended taxes for the rich when the economy was bad.
You agreed with us.
And then he'll say, well, we got to be tough on Iran.
And they'll say, well, we're being tough on Iran.
Like, every time they argue something, it's like the other guy's trying to prove that they agree.
Yeah.
And a lot of times the other guy's right.
You know, like Biden's like, we're being tough on Iran.
These sanctions are the toughest sanctions in the history of sanctions.
He said that at one point.
He's absolutely right.
But is anyone taking like to me, the message from that is like, wait, these guys don't disagree on anything.
And he's right, by the way.
I mean, I don't even know what Ryan's position on.
It's like, we want tougher sanctions.
It's like, we're denying them food and water.
What do you want to work on?
Oxygen?
You want to start taking that out of the picture too?
Like, who's selling them air?
Is it China?
I blame China.
Like, I don't even understand this.
So it's crazy to me.
I mean, I just, and you know, Mitt Romney, that whole speech on foreign policy he gave, it's crazy that he's trying to line up and really, really scary.
And he's lining up on the right or whatever you'll call it of Obama on foreign policy.
Like, he's trying to really, he wants just it's no different really in than in the actions, but he wants to go back to more of a George Bush tone of like, hey, we're coming to get these motherfuckers.
Like, we're fighting.
Yeah, whereas Obama's more like, if you keep fucking with us, we're going to get there eventually.
Well, Obama's like, look, we all need to be friends.
But then he's like under his breath.
He's like, go take all of them out right now.
Drones, drones.
They're also full of shit.
I mean, the Obama administration is full of shit, just like the Bush administration was where they say they've decimated Al-Qaeda.
Who have you decimated Al-Qaeda?
Because, you know, they just fucking bombed our embassy in Libya.
I mean, they're not decimating.
But it's also like, that's not.
Al-Qaeda can't be decimated.
It's the same way, like, Al-Qaeda isn't a thing the way people think Al-Qaeda is a thing.
It's not really a network.
It's just what crazy Muslims claim when they're killing Americans.
That's the truth.
It's like the bloods and crips.
It's like there's not a real network.
Like, there's bloods out here.
People claim to be bloods out here in New York, and there's bloods in LA, and there's, but they don't really know each other.
They're not all you.
I thought you got beaten out.
No.
But, oh, oh, they were just beating on you for no reason.
I didn't agree to get sexted, so that's what I had to do.
Oh, everyone has to make their choices.
Yeah.
But, you know, I'm saying there's no real connection between those bloods.
It's just kind of like this thing has become famous.
It's in rap videos and shit.
So now this is what different kids claim to be bloods.
Because that's the thing.
It's like Al-Qaeda has become the famous, like, you know, it's like a symbol for fuck America.
Fuck this like imperialist America country.
You know, and they all hate us.
And it's just, it's, whatever, it's crazy to me.
But so there's no difference in these in any of these candidates.
But they can't say Obama and Biden did not decimate al-Qaeda.
They killed, I love they say, they hate ghosts, we brought Osama bin Laden to justice.
You go, well, you brought him to the ocean.
I mean, did you really bring him to justice?
I mean, I don't know.
Sure.
Like, I'm not saying justice isn't him being dumped in the ocean, but usually when you say you brought someone to justice, it implies there was a judge or a justice involved in the process that someone, you know, there was, I don't know.
Usually that was the form of justice that we're all comfortable with.
What I thought was interesting, they both said that by 2014, like all the troops are going to be out of Afghanistan.
But that's been Obama's plan for a while.
But when you look at it, they're only talking about combat troops.
That doesn't mean everyone else is going to be stuck over there trying to rebuild that shit.
And by rebuild, I mean build, because they didn't have much to work with to start with.
Yeah, and these are bullshit.
Like, what do terms like this even mean?
I mean, it's like literally if you had like if you had just like two cops in front of you and I go like, this guy's a cop and this guy is, you know, something else.
A stripper dressed as a cop?
Right, whatever it is.
But you'd just be like, this guy's a strip, right?
This guy's just a stripper.
But you're like, you know what?
He's going to keep his clothes on and he has like a resting power and he's going to have like a gun and everything a cop.
But he's not a cop.
Yeah.
You're like, oh, okay.
But same suit, everything.
Same gun, everything.
It's like, that's literally, no more combat troops.
But, you know, there's still troops there.
They still got guns and shit.
They'll still be killing people.
People will still be dying.
These fucking wars aren't ending.
They never end.
We still have troops in Japan and Germany.
We still have troops everywhere.
We still have troops in South Korea.
We still have troops.
Our troops never come home.
We might reduce levels once our corporations have gotten everything they need to get from these countries.
Pretty much.
We've got the deals that we have in place with their, you know, the governments that we've put up there.
That's the way it works.
I was just reading articles about how many American corporations have been profiting off what we've set up in Iraq now.
It's really kind of gross.
You think about it.
We really go in there and overthrow their government and set our shit up for our benefit so we can keep dominating the world.
I don't, it's crazy to me that there's just so many issues that there's like so little difference between these candidates on, but we got to pretend there's like this big difference.
Yeah, they have to, I mean, I guess they have to pretend that there is.
I don't hear, this was an interesting moment to me.
I will say, Joe Biden, I think not that he's great, but he's probably the best on foreign policy in the Obama administration.
Like, I know he's been the one who's, at least that's what has been reported that he's the one who's been the most reserved about going all these wars.
But he did say this one thing.
I thought was interesting is it almost, you know, he, since Ryan's trying so hard to line up to the right of him on these foreign policy issues, it almost pushed him to the left a little bit.
And he said this, which I think kind of gave away a big thing that's an ugly truth in America right now that I think makes the Obama administration look pretty bad.
But the stuff about the Iran bomb, so I want to play that.
Israelis in the United States, our military and intelligence communities, are absolutely the same exact place in terms of how close, how close the Iranians are to getting a nuclear weapon.
They are a good way away.
There is no difference between our view and theirs.
When my friend talks about fissile material, they have to take this highly enriched uranium, get it from 20% up.
Then they have to be able to have something to put it in.
There is no weapon that the Iranians have at this point.
Both the Israelis and we know we'll know if they start the process of building a weapon.
So all this bluster I keep hearing, all this loose talk, what are they talking about?
Are you talking about to be more credible?
What more can the president do?
Stand before the United Nations, tell the whole world, directly communicate to the Ayatollah, we will not let them acquire a nuclear weapon, period, unless he's talking about going to war, Martha.
Well, I liked that.
I mean, not the part about Obama being so tough or whatever, but just the idea of just like don't say, Iran doesn't have a nuclear weapon.
They don't have one.
There's no evidence that they do.
I mean, we get so crazy.
It's like, do we not learn anything from Iraq?
We just get so crazy with going for a weapon, weapon, war.
Iran.
They don't have a weapon.
There's no fucking evidence.
And something Paul Ryan said that I thought was pretty dumb and pretty pointless.
He kept saying, Iran is four years closer to building a nuclear weapon.
I was like, is Obama supposed to make time stops?
Like, what?
What are you doing?
Yeah, I mean, right, exactly.
It's supposed to be four years.
I mean, and I don't even, to be honest, I don't even know if they are four years closer because we're fucking, you know, we're fucking them over right now pretty badly without, you know, like we're assassinating scientists and stuff like that.
So who knows where they are.
But they, yeah, I don't know.
There's just no, there's no point.
None of this makes any sense, and there's very little difference between the two positions.
But I hope that if Obama does get reelected, they take Joe Biden's advice on that.
Yeah.
They actually doesn't think.
But anyway, I don't know.
So the general consensus, stepping back from the specifics, was that Biden won.
And I do think in some ways, from a debate perspective, he did won.
He seemed to kind of push.
I mean, I just thought Ryan was really bad.
Ryan's stunk.
This guy stinks.
What are these conservatives talking about that he's like this golden boy?
What are they talking about?
He's got this mastery of the numbers.
He doesn't have any mastery of the numbers.
His plan balances the budget in the year 2972.
Like, there's no plan.
He fumbles over all this stuff about the deficit and where he cut.
Yeah, it's all bullshit.
None of it makes any sense.
He's, I just don't get it.
And he came off nervous and dorky.
I just don't get where they try to sell it.
It's like, oh, he's this cool guy who works out.
He's a dork.
He's a dork.
And he comes off like a dork every bit.
I thought he was terrible.
I think it's the ears.
Again, I did not like, but I did not like Biden's style.
Just not my thing.
But I'm more of like a substance guy than just laughing at someone and doing all that stupid stuff.
It's like, hey, stop trying to act as the way you act when someone's wrong and just show us why he's wrong.
Tell us what, you know, whatever.
Not my thing.
But he did what all liberals wanted someone to do after that Obama-Mitt Romney debate, which was literally come out, call him a liar.
Yeah.
And, you know, every time he says something, tell them, you know, like stand up to it, like really be aggressive.
And he did that.
So I think that made a lot of people, a lot of Democrats happy.
I think a lot of people were saying that Joe Biden seemed rude and disrespectful and stuff afterward, but he wasn't doing that much different shit than Romney did in the first debate.
I think he was just a little louder about it and he giggled a little bit more.
Yeah, I did hear that too.
And that's not my problem with it.
Like, it's not that it's rude or disrespectful.
I just find it kind of phony, like a little bit of a put-on.
But yeah, I agree with what you're saying to those people who are like, oh, it's disrespectful.
I mean, whatever.
Like, Romney did the thing.
He was like, he was smirking instead of.
No, he wasn't disrespectful.
He's like, that's a bunch of malarkey.
It wasn't like disrespectful.
It's kind of charming the way he did it.
Yeah, yeah.
He wasn't like, this guy's a liar.
I don't know.
I didn't think he crossed the line in that sense.
I just didn't.
It's just not really my style more.
It kind of didn't rub me the right way.
I don't think Paul Ryan's delivery was that bad.
I think Paul Ryan, though, was like...
I didn't like it.
I thought he seemed nervous to me and just kind of uncomfortable the whole time.
I can certainly understand someone being nervous.
I don't know.
I think he was just trying to be the antithesis of what Joe Biden was doing at the time.
And I don't know if it worked well for him, but there was a clear demarcation between the two of them.
Style-wise.
Yeah, definitely.
I do get that.
And again, there is a, I mean, Joe Biden is as professional a politician as you can be.
I know he is.
They're all, I mean, it's just straight out of like Atlas Shrugged politicians, just these guys who are so smooth in the art of this bullshit.
I think Paul Ryan was trying to come across almost like Obama did in the first debate, but like not as shitty.
You know what I mean?
Just like cool, calm, collective.
Yeah, I kind of saw that.
I see what you're saying.
I think that's what he was going for.
It may not be exactly what he got, but I think that's where he was aiming.
Yeah.
I agree with you.
Again, I just, whatever I think it made up a little bit.
I mean, it's still not for, I think, Democrats are still a little sore about the first debate.
They're going to be until this next one.
Yeah.
And then really need Obama to show.
And this is now, you know, the pressure's on Obama for this next debate.
This is a must-show up performance.
And, you know, hopefully Barack Obama comes to debate and not, you know, his retarded brother or whoever that, his retarded twin, whoever showed up for that last one, just came out and like laid down in the fetal position for the whole debate.
President Obama, what's your take on the war?
You just gave me a great mental picture.
Sir, are you sure you don't want to elaborate on that answer?
We'll give you more time.
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All right.
Mitt Romney, what do you want to do?
Tax codes and rich and something Mormon.
Obama, what do you say?
I like how Obama became like a sheep.
He can't do any.
I don't know.
Not a sound effects guy.
He can't.
I mean, look, he can't do any worse than he did in that first one.
But I don't know.
So that seems to be...
I don't know.
It seems to get Democrats a little bit happier.
I think he's going to pull out his big guns for the next two.
His big drones that he's got.
I do.
I expect Obama to be a lot more aggressive and a lot more enthusiastic in his next one.
And do a lot better.
And probably I think the numbers, I think, are going to kind of stick around where they are until Election Day.
And then I think Obama's going to kind of pull away in the last few days of the election and end up winning a little bit bigger than people think.
I think it's not going to be a super close election.
I think Obama's going to actually win by a decent amount.
Because don't they need, is it 262 electoral votes or 261?
Something around there?
I thought it was 270, but I don't know.
270.
Crazy system.
The last estimate that I saw, Obama had, I don't remember the exact numbers, but neither of them had enough to win.
Yeah.
Well, he's right.
I think that's...
Yeah, as of right now, I mean, Mitt Romney's closed the gap in most of the swing states, although I think Obama is still winning the swing states he needs to win in most.
Right now, he's still leading, but not by enough points.
Right.
Well, I, yeah.
Well, look, I mean, we'll see what happens.
It's not a done thing, but I really just don't see Mitt Romney winning.
Maybe I'm wrong.
I really, honestly, again, I don't know what I prefer.
I think both these guys are terrible, and it's unfair to say they're exactly the same.
I think there are benefits and negatives to each one winning or losing.
And I don't know which one are better, honestly.
The way I look at it is like, if Obama wins, like positive things, like maybe he'll throw some more bones on like social issues to the left.
Like maybe he'll, you know, actually like...
Let gays get married.
Right.
Well, something, right, something on gay marriage.
Maybe he'd throw something like something on cracking down on these pot dispensaries because he's been doing that.
Like he promised he would.
Maybe he'll stop that.
Or maybe, you know, I don't know.
Like maybe some little social thing he'll do.
And I think there's a genuine benefit to some of the anger that stays on the right when Obama's in there.
I know all the liberals really hate that anger on the right, but I think anger about...
Look, there's no question.
Again, this will anybody who's I know a lot of my liberal friends just see things so the opposite way, but there's no question we would have had a second stimulus bill if there wasn't all this anger on the right.
If there wasn't things like the Tea Party movement and stuff we were going to, Obama wanted a second stimulus, and if, you know, there wasn't a bunch of anger after the first stimulus, he would have passed it.
It just wasn't politically feasible anymore.
Yeah.
And I know a lot of people thought we needed that, but to me, I think it's great that we stopped that from happening.
I mean, we'd just be, you know, another trillion dollars in debt or something like that.
Or $700 billion or whatever we would have spent on the second one.
So there's a benefit to me to keeping that kind of anti-big government vibe strong.
And that gets kind of pacified when someone like Mitt Romney starts growing government because these idiots think he is conservative.
I would rather stick the devil.
I can't even talk.
I'd rather stick with the devil that I know than the devil that I don't.
Sure.
But sometimes, I mean, you know, sometimes the devil you don't might be better.
Who knows?
I don't know.
Mitt Romney's like, he just.
Well, the thing I think the benefit to but here's the benefit to Mitt Romney winning is just for men.
Just for men sales spike through the roof.
Just on him alone.
Just on White House orders.
The benefit to him winning is, you know, the anti-war movement comes back.
Like that, like, quite possibly.
I mean, I don't know definitely, but, you know, there was a big anti-war movement in this country.
It wasn't like the 60s quite because there wasn't a draft.
We didn't get that crazy.
But in 2006, when the Democrats, when like Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats came in, when they stormed back, they stormed back with a mandate to end these wars.
That's what it was about.
I mean, there was a big anti-war movement when Iraq was getting really bloody and Afghanistan was falling apart.
And it was just so clear that these policies had failed and George Bush's face was on them.
You know, a big part, people won't say like everyone always talks about like Obama having no record and being this charismatic black guy and why he came up and took out Hillary Clinton.
But the big, big thing from the beginning, I mean, all of those things played their own little part, I'm sure.
But from the beginning, the big, big thing that put Obama right next to all of them, all of them, was the reason that what put him ahead of Edwards, who was running a really good campaign at the time.
Edwards was one of the favorites at that time, probably above Obama at the beginning.
And Hillary Clinton was just the foregone conclusion.
And Biden, all these other guys who were there.
The big thing was he didn't vote for the Iraq war.
That was his thing that he had.
They all voted for it except him.
And he voted for the authorization to deal with Saddam Hussein or whatever.
It wasn't a declaration of war, but whatever it was.
No, it was because he wasn't in the Senate at the time.
So he didn't have a vote, period.
But his hands weren't dirty with that.
Exactly.
And he ran as this peace candidate.
He ran as a real deal peace candidate.
And everyone else had, you know, if you remember, Edwards apologized for voting.
He said, I'm sorry to the American people.
I made a mistake and voted for that war.
And that was like, okay, that's kind of weak.
You're saying the most important vote of your life came up and you blew it.
All right.
So why should you be president?
You know, that was a weak answer.
I think that hurt him a lot.
It did.
But I think in fairness to the other candidates at the time, too, they were going, you know, they kept getting different information to vote on.
Yeah, no, sure.
But I'll say that.
No, look, I'm not even getting into...
I mean, I think it was the wrong thing to do, but regardless of what was right or wrong, I'm just making the point that the country was anti-war enough, especially the Democratic Party, was anti-war enough, that that was a big deal.
You know, the fact that you were wrong on that was a big deal.
And Hillary Clinton, I think that really hurt her.
She wouldn't apologize for it because she didn't want to seem weak, but it hurt her a lot that she had voted for it.
And Obama, I mean, it was always one of my favorite lines, what he used to say.
He said it a few times.
It was one of the things that they repeat all the time, these lines over and over.
But it was one of my favorite things from 2008, and he used to say, I'll see my Obama force.
He used to say, not only do we have to bring the war in Iraq to an end, and this is, I'm paraphrasing, this is exactly what he was saying.
Not only do we need to end the war in Iraq, we need to end the mentality that got us into the war in Iraq.
The mentality that tells us we can go replace leaders in other countries.
You know, like he said, and it was like, okay, this is, you know, he came in with all this anti-war kind of movement, and the anti-war left accepted it and went away.
And they just accepted it, went away, and he continued all the wars.
Every war, all the policies, nothing has ended.
I know he claims he ended the war in Iraq.
He did not.
There's still tons of troops there.
We built the biggest embassy in the history of embassies in Iraq.
We have thousands and thousands of troops who are maintaining it.
This is bullshit that all the troops are gone, and they're going to be there indefinitely.
And there's still violence going on in Iraq.
So I'm just saying this like, so that's maybe the benefit of Romney is maybe we get this anti-war left back.
And then maybe that's kind of, and then maybe there's a lot of pressure to actually end these wars.
Now it starts going, you know, now Iraq and Afghanistan, the two longest wars in our history, and we're looking into overthrowing all these other countries.
And the media, you know, the media really sucks because they don't bring any of this shit up.
Isn't it kind of crazy?
It's like they forgot almost.
Well, if you believe we live in like a free, open country, then how is it not just a little bit weird, like if we have a free press that the NDAA bill hasn't come up in either of the first two debates?
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Like nothing about the fact that we just passed a bill saying we can, you know, arrest American citizens without charges against them.
Like is there any perspective of history and what governments do?
This is a big, a liberal media, like this is what you're supposed to be on.
You know, this is, come on.
I mean, how is this not even asked?
The president having a kill list.
You know, let's discuss this.
Why are we not talking about any of these issues?
If this is an honest, open press, you know, people go, oh, they're just trying to get ratings.
These are good ratings, drivers.
Like, these are interesting fucking questions.
Like, if someone, I don't know, like if Connie Chung were like, dude, Obama's got a kill list.
I would watch that.
Yeah, I mean, let's talk about that.
And it is, and I don't know.
It seems like there's a lot of stuff that they just seem to kind of ignore.
They seem to do them this service of not bringing up any of this stuff that will make them look bad because then, you know, Obama and Mitt Romney would have to say to the American people that they both support the government having the right to arrest American citizens without them having charges.
And just the fact that there's no discussion that Obama killed an American citizen by drone strikes on Muaralaki who had no charges brought against him.
The man has never been convicted of a crime.
And he killed him.
And I know they claim he was recruiting terrorists, but how do we know he was recruiting terrorists?
How do you know if someone's not charged with the crime?
It's the risky 14th Amendment.
It seems crazy to me that these questions would never even get asked.
Never even get asked.
We can hope they'll get asked on Tuesday.
We can cross our fingers.
Yes, we can.
And then we can be disappointed.
All right.
So I did want to say that I went to Liberty Fest yesterday, which was super cool.
And I got to meet Thomas Woods, who is like a hero of mine.
He's a, for anyone who doesn't know, he's like a libertarian historian.
He's a brilliant, brilliant guy.
And I've always loved reading his books and all his work.
And I got to meet him and kind of bullshit with him for a few minutes.
And it was awesome.
He's a super cool guy.
We had a really interesting conversation.
I'm going to try to work toward getting an interview with him on the show.
And I also got to see Adam Kokesh speak.
For anyone who knows the show, Adam vs. the Man, which is another kind of libertarian guy who I look up to a lot.
So that was cool.
And it was really nice to hang out there and meet those guys and promote the podcast a little bit.
I like when you're doing it.
It was cool.
It was like a weird environment.
There's a lot of, you know, it's a mix of conspiracy theorists.
You know, 9-11 was an inside job guys.
People more of my, just kind of small government people and then anarchists, minarchists, just a lot of different stuff.
But it was a really fun thing and it was cool.
Especially, you know, meeting Tom Woods was a real thrill for me.
So I just wanted to mention that.
Your eyes lit up when you said his name.
It was cute.
This guy's great.
Anyway, check him out online, Tom Woods.
He's got all over the place, but this guy is just absolutely brilliant, brilliant historian.
He's a Harvard graduate and PhD in Columbia or something.
I don't know.
He's got all types of those.
He's one of those learned guys.
So, Maryland has, who we were talking about before, gay marriage.
Maryland has gay marriage on the ballot for this November, and it looks like they might be, and I didn't even realize this, but they may be the first ever to vote in gay marriage.
No one's ever done that before, which I don't realize.
They've never voted it in.
It's always, it's been like judges have deemed it unconstitutional to not let gay people get married, which, you know, I don't know how I feel about this.
Look, I'm 1,000%, I'm not going to say pro-gay marriage.
I do not like that term.
I'm not pro-gay marriage.
I'm not pro-straight marriage.
I'm not pro-anyone getting married.
I don't know you.
I mean, maybe there's some people who I know who I'd be like, these guys should get married.
I know them.
Aside from that, I'm not pro-gay marriage.
However, I am across the board pro-freedom.
So I do think you should be able to get married to whoever you want to get married to, as long as they're willing and into it.
Now, that being said, so this is what's for people who do believe that gay marriage should be legal.
I think there's something kind of conflicting about this where you go, obviously, there's a positive.
Like, if hopefully Maryland votes gay marriage legal, and then that says that most of the people get it.
Like, most people get that this shouldn't be illegal.
Yeah.
So there's nothing nice about that.
But then the other side is that really a judge declaring gay marriage legal is the way it should go because there shouldn't be a vote.
You shouldn't get to vote on someone else's freedom.
That should never be a vote.
You don't get to vote.
And there's something so obnoxious about even just the idea of voting on someone else's freedom.
Like someone's sitting there, like, can you get married to the person you love?
Hmm, let me think about it.
Okay, fine.
You can't.
Like, there's something very, you don't get a fucking say in what other people should do.
And the right way for it to work is for some judge to come in and say, we have a constitution that guarantees people's freedom.
There's no, this is illegal to have a law that says that you can't, you know, that someone can't associate and have a relationship and call it whatever they want to call it.
You know, that's so I don't know.
That's the right way for it to happen.
None of these things should ever be voted on.
It's like saying, let's have a vote on whether you want slavery in your state.
You don't have a right to vote on someone else's freedom.
That's the way it is.
Some people do want slavery.
Did you hear about this?
Lloyd Mock, I believe his name is.
I don't know if that's how it's pronounced.
It's M-A-U-C-H, whatever it is.
He and John Hubbard in Arkansas made headlines recently because they're basically saying slavery wasn't so bad.
It wasn't so bad.
They're like, oh, if it wasn't renounced in the Bible, Jesus didn't say anything about it.
Then it can't be that bad.
I mean, look, while that logic is airtight, I think the mainstream of America disagrees with that.
Well, I mean, if they're going to cite the Bible, it looks like they ignored the Old Testament completely as well.
Yeah, it's not just blacks who are slaves in the Bible either.
So you better.
We're all at risk then.
But if it wasn't so bad, I would like to buy them and make them my slaves.
And I'll see if they don't want to.
Oh, wouldn't that be great?
All right, fine.
Slavery is legal again, but you guys are the slaves.
Oh, all right.
It's fair.
It's good for the goose.
It's good for the gay.
And then they're just your slaves.
Yeah.
Well, I think that'd be cool.
No, but that's why you're an optimist, Jessica Sagar.
Glass is half full.
So anyway, I guess I say, I think I hope Maryland votes gay marriage legal, but they really shouldn't be voting at all.
Anyway.
Oh, so.
We tried doing the same thing in Jersey a couple of years ago, and the people voted for it in a referendum.
We all liked it.
We're like, yes, yes, get married.
Let the gays get married.
And then Chris Chrissy was like, fuck this.
Yeah, I know.
He turned out to be kind of socially conservative, which, yeah, I've kind of, I'm over that guy.
I almost kind of dug his thing when he first came in, and he was like, Oh, I'm going to get tough with the unions and all this.
And it just became the guy who's like, His thing is like he curses out anyone who asks him a tough question.
He's just kind of douchey.
He's just douchey.
Man, that guy is fucking ginormous.
Yeah, until he can see his own dick, no one else can sword fight with theirs.
That's why you let him have it, Jessica.
Yes, I should.
I almost sound like him, though.
If I curse too much, I shouldn't do that.
Being a hypocrite, you are like always.
Always.
All right.
Well, is there anything else you'd like to bring up, Jessica?
I think we covered most of the bases.
I think we did.
I'm excited.
Well, another presidential debate this week.
We are closing in.
Election's coming up.
I'm excited.
I think this one's going to be pretty good.
Yeah.
It's fun to watch.
You think, yeah.
Well, I'm definitely interested.
We'll see what happens.
And like always, we'll be here breaking all that shit down for you, motherfuckers.
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