April 23, 2026 - Human Events Daily - Jack Posobiec
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THE SPLC PUT A TARGET ON CHARLIE KIRK
Jack Posobiec and guests Will Chamberlain and Julie Kelly dissect the Southern Poverty Law Center's alleged criminal fraud charges in Alabama, framing them as politically motivated retaliation against conservatives like Charlie Kirk. They detail how the SPLC allegedly infiltrated groups such as the KKK and Antifa, funded domestic terror narratives, and collaborated with the FBI to entrap MAGA figures following Kirk's 2025 assassination. The discussion highlights specific operations involving shell companies, informant networks within the Oath Keepers, and the strategic use of labels to brand conservative movements as domestic terrorists since Charlottesville, suggesting a long-term government strategy to suppress political opposition through legal entrapment and reputational destruction. [Automatically generated summary]
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Folks, we need to focus in on the Southern Poverty Law Center, the SPLC, their fraud, their crimes.
Their fraud, their crimes, but also their behavior, the things that they have done, the targets that they have put on the backs of good people, people like Ben Carson, people for the Alliance Defending Freedom, people like Moms for Liberty, Prager U, and yes, Turning Point USA, Charlie Kirk.
So go back to last year.
Let's go back to the tale of the tape.
May of 2025.
That's when they listed Charlie Kirk.
That's when they listed him as an extremist.
That's when they added him to their hate map.
That's when they put him up and put a target on Charlie's back.
The SPLC put a target on Charlie Kirk's map.
And then this guy.
Who said that he had to eradicate Charlie's hate?
Some hate can't be negotiated with.
Climbed up to the top of a building and shot and killed Charlie.
After the SPLC did that, that was May of 2025 to September of 2025.
Memorial Day to Labor Day.
Memorial Day to Labor Day.
That's how fast it took.
And we look at this situation, we have to see it very clearly for what it is.
We have to remember that Tyler Robinson also had the Antifa national and international anthem.
The Antifa anthem on his bullets, Bella Chow.
And what did the SPLC say when they talked about Antifa?
They said that President Trump listing Antifa as a domestic terrorist organization is dangerous.
Dangerous?
We're going after extremists.
Isn't that what you're supposed to do, SPLC?
Oh, no, it's not.
Oh, I see.
The SPLC was actually funding extremists on the right and perhaps, just perhaps, helping extremists on the left.
Doxing, canceling, debanking, censoring.
That's what they were doing to conservatives.
And let's just see.
Let's just see.
And we're going to walk through.
In today's episode, we are going to walk through, and we're going to have Will Chamberlain and Julie Kelly on with us.
We're going to walk through and see whether or not the SPLC and their operatives were involved in any other operations or events or incidents targeting conservatives.
Coming after conservative events, Christian events, the same way, oh, I don't know.
Oh, that's right.
The SPLC gave a list of churches to the FBI.
For surveillance purposes, they were hand in glove with Antifa, they were hand in glove with the Biden regime, and the SPLC put a target on Charlie Kirk's back.
You might even say they put a target on his neck.
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So, we've got Will Chamberlain here on today from the Article 3 Project.
What's up, Will?
Jack, how's it going?
There we go.
We had your boss, Mike Davis, on yesterday.
We almost double booked, but I didn't want to bump your boss for you.
He may have been a little bit of a surprise.
It would have been kind of funny.
I mean, I really wanted, I was almost tempted to have you do that and just come up and be like, sorry, Will's coming on.
You need to wait.
That would have gone over really well.
I mean, kudos to everything the Article 3 project has done.
You know, I know big supporters of our new acting attorney general, Todd Blanch, and You know, who knows?
Perhaps we'll have to drop that acting title at some point here because it seems like he is doing the job very well.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, the SPLC indictment is a landmark yesterday.
I think we're going to get into talking about that.
But I mean, Chad Blanche is a very, very competent guy.
He was there with the president throughout all the lawfare against him, and he's a good man.
So, well, let's talk about this landmark legislation.
And it really is.
So, there's an interesting legal question here, I think, because I've seen the left and they're trying to MS Now and CNN and everyone else.
They're losing their minds over this.
They say, whoa, hold on.
Where's the fraud?
Because if we had donors, right, we being the SPLC and the left, right, you know, they're just arguing on their behalf, and the donors wanted to go after right wing organizations or quote unquote racist extremist organizations, and that's what they did.
Is it really fraud if these were just, and let's take for even for, The sake of argument, they'll say, well, these are just informants.
They weren't advocates.
They weren't leaders.
They weren't, you know, the executives of these organizations, even though we can see that they were.
If that's the case, then where is the fraud if you can't get people who donated to actually say that they've been defrauded?
Well, I mean, as a criminal prosecutor, you're working on behalf of the people, and if you can identify some people who were operating under the assumption that they were donating, To fight these organizations and instead they were donating to support members, that is sufficient to prove fraud in a court of law.
And it's sort of similar to the We Build the Wall case in a way.
And the reason being that, you know, I mean, this SPLC is obviously clearly trying to mess with the KKK.
They're trying to build it up to make it seem that it's bigger than it is, but they're also trying to mess with it.
There's no doubt about that.
And so the question is would their donors be approved of their conduct if?
If the donor said no amount of the time.
And the answer to that isn't obvious.
Like, I think it would actually be very tricky as a civil case, but as a criminal case, it's actually quite a bit stronger because the SPLC, they've got to be scrupulous in how they represent things.
And I mean, they'll try, I think they'll try and make the argument that they weren't defrauding anybody because they were actually doing what their donors intended.
But that also, another point is that won't be the end of it.
That's not the only crime being charged here.
There's also some fraudulent activity when it comes to banks and how they were using shell companies and concealing the nature of the transactions that were being processed from the banks.
And lying to banks is an independent crime, and that doesn't rely on whether or not their donors would have approved of their conduct.
And so, what you're talking about then is that's sort of fraud in the abstract sense that they were not using the funds for which they deliberately were solicited.
Yeah.
And for the purposes that were specified, right?
Like fraud is all about misrepresentations that others rely on to their detriment.
And in the nonprofit context, fraud is, and wire fraud, Particular is all about you make a claim about what the money you're if you're raising money, you make claims about how that money is going to be spent, and then you spend it contrary to how you claimed it would be.
That would be fraud, and it's really as simple as that.
And you know, here we have a case where you know you've got a district, by the way, this isn't DC, this isn't New York, this isn't some blue bastion like we see in some of these other cases where they've run into trouble with the grand jury or run in trouble with jury nullification.
You've got middle Alabama, which is about as red as they come.
That's right.
And it's interesting, I think a little bit arrogant of the SPLC to stay headquartered in Alabama, especially given that the sort of civil rights struggles that they were, that they would have been present in Alabama for are all in the past.
And so, but they still were setting up shop in Alabama and doing this stuff all around the country, thus opening themselves up to being litigated against in Alabama with Alabama judges and Alabama juries.
I think they're really going to pay very, very heavily for that mistake.
I mean, this would be a tricky indictment to bring in, for example, the District of Columbia, where plenty of other nonprofits are headquartered.
You could almost guarantee yourself a 95% blue jury pool, that would be a very challenging prosecution and a very challenging civil litigation if the government brought it.
But in Alabama, no, they're behind the eight ball here.
And I think the government has made both a very righteous move, because I think there's obviously criminal activity here, but also a very strategically savvy move in bringing this prosecution in Alabama.
Well, you know, it just, I'll say it straight up that I've had conversations with Charlie Kirk in the past.
You know, obviously prior to all this and in the wake of Turning Point.
And I believe we talked about this on air a couple of times, even with our Thought Crime show.
And You know, after they labeled Turning Point a hate organization, I remember him sort of asking the question, you know, isn't that a red state?
Don't they have a red governor or a red attorney general?
Like, what are we doing?
What exactly are we doing here?
We're just letting them operate in obvious fraud, obvious money laundering.
Now, even at that point, we didn't even know how bad it was that they were actually paying the leadership of these organizations.
That's right.
I don't think, you know, it's a really good question about who else knew about what was going on here.
I mean, this is, I mean, they're not, they're paying a guy in the KKK something like a million bucks over seven years or 10 years, something like that.
That's a crazy amount of money.
And, and they're encouraging them to help organize all these events.
I mean, we, I think we might have mentioned this, but, you know, go all the way back to Unite the Right.
Like, clearly one of the big revelations out of the prosecution was that there was a Unite the Right member who was deeply involved in organizing that event who was being paid by the SPLC.
So I remember back in 2017 how they were, Asking a lot of people who you, many of you know, they were trying to get them to go to Unite the Right, more normal conservatives than the kind of people who were on the marquee.
And everybody was saying no, but it was all the cell was very hard.
And the whole concept of Unite the Right was about bringing everyone together, which, you know, our side rejected.
Yeah.
So, so, Will, it's, it's, I mean, you mentioned it and it's, yeah, I mean, break the fourth wall, I guess, a little bit, because you and I were in DC running the MAGA meetups group and some of these other, you know, kind of like startups in the MAGA movement.
In 2017, and there was this huge split, which got written up a number of times that summer between sort of like the MAGA faction and the more, I guess, alt right faction, is what you would say.
You don't use that term much anymore, but that's what it was.
It was the old, the 2017 alt right.
Yeah.
Yeah, the 2017, it was the alt right and the new right, and that was the split.
And Andrew Morantz, before he lost his mind, actually wrote this up in the New Yorker and had a couple of times where he would come.
Hold, you know, and we would hold these dueling events.
Like they'd be at the Lincoln Memorial and then we'd be at the White House or, you know, some other part of town, this type of thing.
And, but then in the wake of this, so towards the summer of 2017, I believe this was August, and they were trying to say, oh, hey, let's all come together because their side had been just, you know, losing and had been completely embarrassed and couldn't get anyone to show up at their things and were just.
Driving everything off a cliff.
And so they said, well, let's unite.
And so they were begging us, begging people like me, Mike Cernovich, Gavin McInnes, who he just tweeted about it.
They were begging us to come to this event.
And they said, come unite with us.
And none of us did.
Yeah.
And now you have to wonder was that the SPLC's goal?
Like, how deeply involved were the SPLC and other nonprofits?
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We don't know.
Other nonprofits involved in propping up the alt right and then trying to use it to smear actually effective and popular people who were Trump supporters?
That's sort of the big lingering question because I feel like this can't be it.
There has to be the tip of the iceberg.
And, you know, there's sort of, I think you know, you talked a little bit about this yesterday, how we characterize people as feds.
But in a sense, what this reveals is maybe we just had a little bit of a blind spot.
We were so focused on the notion that maybe the people who might be trying to mess with us and trap us were feds, and we weren't really considering the probability that they were funded by private organizations, that they were just like you know, Reed Hoffman recipients and Soros recipients.
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We're on with Will Chamberlain talking about SPLC, SPLC operatives and operations.
And, Will, I mean, let's be blunt.
There's quite a bit that could come out in discovery here.
You know, we talked about Unite the Right, Charlottesville, and, you know, their efforts to try to get people like me and Mike Cernovich to go along with it.
And we said, no, we're not doing that.
We're not working with you guys.
And I had no idea at the time that it would turn into what it turned into.
But Just obviously saw that that was a bad idea to begin with.
And I mean, this really makes us go have to go back and look at a number of these incidents, Will, to your point, as to say how much of this was staged to make Trump supporters, the MAGA movement, not just this event, but other events and other incidents to make us look bad and not like a legitimate populist nationalist movement.
Right.
And, you know, it could be the how much of it, like who of these people were true believers and who were being paid, how influential were the people who were being paid, and what, how, Instrumental were they in making certain events happen, coordinating, organizing, you know, because then, because it just brings all this stuff into question.
And I remember it was, it was a very, 2017 was we were constantly in a battle with these people, constantly.
They were trying to really, really ruin us.
And the claim that they were making at the time was we weren't really the right wing, we were fake, blah, And now you learn that they were actually infiltrated by the SPLC.
And we didn't have that problem.
We weren't, the SPLC wasn't.
Uh, you know, using us to go after somebody else, so it you know begs the question of like, yeah, I mean, the what maybe, and here's another point I want to throw out.
This is something I thought about today, right?
The whole concept of no enemies to the right was promulgated by these people, but what if, what if no enemies to the right was wrong because it meant that you were going to have some enemies that were actually on the left that you weren't hitting?
I'll leave that there.
No, it's it's it's you know, it's it's kind of wild when you know, it just to your point, you know, we're going over stuff from almost 10 years ago now, but you have to go back and think.
Back to conversations, phone calls, you know, just meetings at Trump Hotel or something.
And, you know, who was really behind that person or what was that person really doing?
Because, well, to your point, there were people who, before the show, we were chatting and you mentioned how there were people who would just sort of show up and start, you know, to events and start holding up signs or posters or something that had nothing to do with why we were there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And they'd, you know, they'd put signs in people's hands.
They were following what people were doing online and then showing up in real life.
And it's, it totally makes you reflect back.
As you say, like you have to look back to a period, a very strange period, that 2017, 2018 period, pre Charlottesville.
And it was, and look back at all that attempt and wonder who exactly was trying to do what.
Right.
Because clearly there was a whole bunch of inauthentic behavior going on and attempts to undermine things.
And, You know, and they can't have been the only private organization.
The SPLC cannot have been the only private organization trying to do stuff like this because there was so much money after Trump won, delivered by liberal donors into the hand of liberal NGOs to defeat the right.
And this is one of the ways, clearly, this is one of the ways they were trying to do it.
So, I'm sure that we're just scratching the surface here as to inauthentic progressive left wing and money and involvement in right wing movements to make them look insane and to increase the amount of insanity within them.
Yeah.
And to your point, right?
I still, in many ways, I still kind of live like this, even when we're constructing the shows, even when we're putting things together, because I remember what that period was like.
You know, somebody gets, A picture of you, and you have no idea what's behind you in the picture, and then suddenly you lose your access to social media, you lose your banking information, you lose access to PayPal, all the rest of it.
People don't realize, and I was on Warham earlier talking about this, but people don't realize that the SPLC was a cornerstone of the left's power structure for so long.
It was the convergence of law enforcement, big tech, big finance, with JP Morgan, Bain Capital being involved here.
So this wasn't some.
Small organization.
They had all their chips into this.
So, Will, just in the last minute, you mentioned this was a strategic move.
Why did you say that?
Well, if, you know, we were, I think at the time, this, you know, at the heart of the grassroots energy behind the Trump movement and in terms of moving the right wing towards a more productive and populist direction.
And I think the left saw that.
And they, again, blindsided by Trump's victory in 2016, they were trying to defeat this nascent movement and put it in the ground.
And so, strategically, how would you do that?
Well, you try as hard as you can to make everybody publicly associate that movement with Nazis and spend whatever money you had to do that, infiltrate it, and put people in place to agitate, to bring people into an event and then embarrass them by making them associate with people who say absolutely absurd Nazi things.
To, yeah, you name it.
It's just basically a smear campaign, an embarrassment campaign.
And I can't use the word because it's not polite on language, but.
But just generally, an attempt to undermine the movement strategically.
Yeah, no, it's a scumbag operation.
Sometimes the controlled opposition actually is controlled opposition.
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Julie Kelly joins us next, Human Events Daily.
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Folks, we've got Julie.
Kelly, you know her as the writer of Declassified, someone who has done so much incredible work into other organizations that have been focused on informants and entrapment and subterfuge and so many of these things that we see here in the SPLC investigation.
But the ones that she's focused on were more January 6th, Gretchen Whitmer, and others with the FBI.
Julie, how are you?
I'm good, Jack.
How are you?
Oh.
I love that picture.
It's only like 10 years old, but I wish I still looked that way.
No, what are you talking about?
It's a good picture.
And, Julie, what, if I can, before we get into it, you know, further, what's your first reaction when, or what was your first reaction when you saw these charges, that press conference, Todd Blanch and Kash Patel?
Well, first of all, kudos to Todd Blanch and Kash Patel for seeking this indictment.
And of course, the prosecutors and investigators in Alabama who did all the hard work on this.
Because this is part of what you've been talking about for years and others, and that's dismantling this very powerful, influential, and well funded infrastructure that the left has, that we don't, unfortunately, but that the left has to destroy their political opposition, which is us.
And in the process, Jack, they use these levers, they use these mechanisms, outfits like the Southern Poverty Law Center, which, by the way, I just checked their latest 990.
Do you know?
How much they have in the bank?
I think the last number I saw was something like 800 million.
Correct.
Yes.
So, of course, you knew that.
So, and then we've seen who some of these contributors are corporations, such as George Clooney, George Soros, et cetera, the usual suspects.
So, you know, they pump money into this.
Their executives are paid, you know, $200,000 a piece.
There's like 30 of them.
So it's, What Todd Blanchard Cash Vitale said, a money laundering operation.
But it's going to get much bigger than this because what has to be determined is the tight collaboration between this organization and the FBI and DOJ, particularly under the Biden administration, particularly Chris Wray's FBI, to conspire with SPLC, use also FBI informants, and we'll get into that as well,
to entrap American citizens to make it look like Bill Chamberlain just said that there is a pervasive white supremacy problem.
On the MAGA right.
So, Julie, this is what I want to ask you.
And I have this viral tweet that's going out, and I was certainly thinking of you when I wrote it.
And I said, well, wait a minute.
What if this is the reason that Chris Wray, when he was the head of the FBI, could sit up there and say, oh, this person was not an informant.
This person was not an informant.
We didn't have any informants on federal payroll whatsoever when he's testifying in Congress because, wait a minute, there's a cutout organization using.
These informants and then providing that reporting directly to the FBI hand in glove, as we saw through Biden's FBI and Biden's DOJ.
And if you don't have them on your books, you don't have to testify that you had any informants or any involvement, do you?
Right.
And that's a great point, Jack.
So I'll say two things.
Number one, yes, it is a very easy way to collaborate with a group like Southern Poverty Law Center and kind of the FBI wash their hands of informants or undercover employees directly out of the Bureau who are doing this sort of thing.
However, number two, Chris Ray lied.
We know from court documents, we know from trials, especially with the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys, in the Oath Keepers, at least five FBI informants, including the vice president of the Oath Keepers, all paid FBI informants.
In the Proud Boys case, at least a dozen, just that we know of, a dozen FBI informants embedded into that group.
Including a few who were on the grounds, including a few, one Michael Jones, who I covered, who committed numerous crimes but was never charged.
So, Chris Ray didn't tell the truth about FBI informants.
We know that they were involved in at least those two high profile cases and organizations.
Those informants were instrumental in group chats, in stoking violent rhetoric that was used later as evidence against.
The three oath keepers in the three federal trials, and of course, the five Proud Boys in that federal trial in Washington, D.C.
And then the Whitmer fednapping hoax I mean, that takes the cake.
You had at least a dozen FBI informants, in addition to at least three FBI undercover employees.
Now, the difference between an informant is that they're not on the FBI's payroll, but they are paid by the FBI.
They're paid in cash.
There's really no way to trace who these people are.
A lot of them are criminals or they're here legally.
Or their family is.
And so they're doing, you know, this kind of dirty work in exchange for favors for themselves or their family members.
Undercover employees, that's a different.
They are employees of the Bureau, but go undercover just like, you know, a police officer would.
But this is going to get a lot, a lot bigger.
And I really, I'm sure that Todd Blanch and Kash Patel will continue their digging.
And this has to spread to other jurisdictions as well.
And really, You know, break open how the FBI, the government, and well funded organizations like Southern Poverty Law Center collaborate to set up innocent Americans and try to destroy Donald Trump and the MAGA movement.
Right.
And so when you look at these types of operations, you know, you could talk about Fed trapping, Fed potting, whatever you want to get into.
But at the end of the day, it sounds to me like an entrapment operation.
That seems to be.
What we're seeing that Unite the Right actually was.
And Julie, I can remember, and Will Chamberlain was just on here, and I wasn't going to bring it up myself, but I can remember people trying to reach out to me directly and say, We need you there.
We want you to be a speaker.
We want you to come out.
That's why they were trying to call it Unite the Right, because they wanted everyone, quote unquote, on the right to be there.
So a representative from every member of sort of like the right wing coalition, Trump supporters, et cetera.
And I remember saying, Look, I don't want to do an event with you guys.
I'm not part of your.
Organization, I'm not part of this.
I don't think it's a good idea to do this in the first place.
And this is even before we saw the, you know, the tiki torches and everything else.
And I said, I don't think, I just got a bad sense about it.
Now we find that the SPLC was involved from the start.
So, Julie, to your looking, the way you see it, do you believe that this was an entrapment operation?
A wide ranging entrapment operation.
You mean the Charlottesville rally or just a flood rally?
Oh, yes, for sure.
Yes.
And I mean, I thought it was kind of evident at that point.
But, Jack, you remember the fury on the right.
I mean, National Review, all the usual suspects went absolutely crazy.
This is all President Trump's fault.
He's stoking white supremacy, et cetera, et cetera.
So it was, it definitely achieved its goal.
And then, of course, you know, this was the discussion throughout August into September of 2017, confronting the president on a daily basis, insisting that he denounce these individuals.
And then, of course, the fine people, we call fine people hoax.
Right.
But that was the whole part of Unite the Right rally.
That was the whole intention of the Whitmer Fed napping hoax that broke the month before the 2020 presidential election to help them steal Michigan from the president and to smear him again as a white supremacist.
This was the whole point of January 6th and other operations that we've seen.
But I believe that at least in the Trump era, it originated with that Charlottesville rally, Unite the Right.
Well, it seems to have.
And the fact that it originated with the SPLC is something that we really need.
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To learn more about and ask questions about why this took place.
Because to your point, I remember Scott Adams used to interview people.
One time he interviewed people who had gone to Charlottesville who said, We have no idea about all these other organizations.
We just cared about the statue.
We didn't want to see the statue come down.
That's all they were there for.
They had no idea that anything else was going on.
And I also remember that, and people may not have pointed this out, that that event, Charlottesville, was used to push Stephen K. Bannon. out of the original Trump administration that they were, you know, he kind of got the blame for it and they used it to push him out.
They used it to sideline him initially, then push him out there.
And eventually he gets pushed out of the first Trump administration.
This is prior to the impeachments.
This is prior to all the other things that happened.
So who knows?
Who knows how history would have taken a different turn had it not been for Charlottesville and as we should call it, the Charlottesville Stay tuned.
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Now, we're talking about it, so I'm going to go ahead and just say it, right?
And then I've told the story a million times, but I was not at Charlottesville, but I was at Gen 6.
I was there.
And I was covering it for One America News, and I saw the flashbangs that were thrown on a peaceful crowd as I was coming down Constitution Avenue.
And then I also saw, and I've said this since either that day or the day after, since the start, really, that.
There were people on the ground at January 6th who have never to this day been identified.
I saw a guy in a green poncho, baseball hat, had a beard about goatee down here.
And he was telling people, go forward, go into the Capitol.
You came this far, don't stop now.
And going up to middle aged Trump supporters waving little American flags and who seemed very confused about why he was telling them to go into the Capitol.
We, of course, saw also people up on scaffolds.
People climbing buildings or climbing the wall and saying this.
So, Julie Kelly, you've written so much about these agitators, and I called them agitators from the start.
I have no idea who they are, but they seemed like they were organized.
They seemed like they were operationalized, and they were right there on the ground on January 6th.
And that's how I know that something was going on there that was beyond MAGA, that had nothing to do with MAGA, because I saw it with my own two eyes.
And, Julie, to my Knowledge, none of those people have ever been either identified or indicted.
And so that's why we need to learn a lot more that this is going to become a far bigger scandal.
For example, on January 6th, you had the Proud Boys, the Oath Keepers, the Three Percenters.
All three of those groups have been identified by the Southern Poverty Law Center as extremist groups.
They have entire files on all of those groups.
So Did they have what they call these field sources?
Nice name for informants.
Field sources embedded in those groups.
Were any of them involved in the activities of January 6th or leading up to January 6th?
That's hard to believe at this point that that was not the case.
And then going back to Whitmer, because I just think Whitmer represents so much of what the government or Chris Ray's FBI was willing and capable to do to concoct this sort of scheme to smear Donald Trump right before the election.
Remember that there was that huge rally in Lansing in April of 2020.
And I always called that the dress rehearsal for January 6th.
So, this was related to COVID lockdowns by Governor Whitmer.
And you had groups like the Three Percenters, were there, the Boogaloo Boys, who are also a target of Southern Poverty Law Center, probably another made up group by the government or by these nonprofits.
And it was this huge rally.
And you saw a lot of the same images coming out of that Lansing rally in April 2020 that you saw on January 6, 2021.
People dressed in military garb, carrying firearms, calling for Gretchen Whitmer to be hung.
You know, a lot of the same elements that we later saw seven, eight months later.
So, who there, if anyone, was being paid by a nonprofit to be an actor to generate those images and to stoke this sort of, and this is what Kash Patel and Todd Blanche were talking about to stoke this kind of racism.
They're actually stoking this hatred that they professed that they were trying to combat.
So, I hope that that's an area that the FBI will consider looking into as well.
And this is serious, too, because we have to remember that every time that Mark Milley or Chris Wray would go up there and testify that white supremacy and white nationalism is the biggest threat in America today, they were citing statistics from the SPLC.
Every time that a Trump appointee like the great Jeremy Carl was blocked by the United States Senate, the crazy Maisie Hirono or John Curtis out of Utah, these idiots, these useful idiots for the left.
Who were they citing?
Again, the SPLC.
And Julie, to your point, they play this organization was used as a source in numerous trials for Jan 6 defendants, wasn't it?
Yes, I've got at least six documents in front of me, affidavits and indictments that cite the Southern Poverty Law Center, tying whoever this individual is to either the white supremacy movement or the Boogaloo movement or the three percenters, and saying that they had extreme ideologies against the government and pose some sort of threat.
I believe, and I'm trying to pull up the indictment.
Barry Croft, who was one of the two men convicted at the second trial for the Whitmer fednapping hoax, he was a three percenter.
And I'm quite sure, and I'm going through those documents now, that they used Southern Poverty Law Center as a citation to brand him as a domestic terrorist.
So, and recall Avril Haynes.
So she was Joe Biden's director of national intelligence.
Her very first intelligence product that she produced in March of 2021 talked about.
This bogus white extremism.
They even had a picture of the Capitol building as an example, this white supremacy, extreme ideology, and trying to tie that to MAGA.
I don't recall if she used SPLC as her citation, but I bet she did.
I'll go back and take a look and post it if that is the case.
But this was a very sophisticated collaboration, especially after January.
Or dating back to Charlottesville through Whitmer through January 6th, other incidents to brand all of us as domestic terrorists.
Well, you know what's really interesting is another member of this organization.
Here's what's really interesting.
Let me go and double check this out.
Hmm.
Someone who was a researcher who, quote, investigated hate groups and hate crimes for the Southern Poverty Law Center was none other than.
Then a graduate from Wellesley College, and then later from Oxford, who moved from Massachusetts to Montgomery, Alabama, to work for the Southern Poverty Law Center, named Jocelyn Benson.
Jocelyn Benson, who would go on to be the Secretary of State of Michigan in 2020 and is currently running for governor, was a researcher and an operative for the SPLC.
So, again, someone who's directly tied.
With Whitmer.
She's actually running to replace Whitmer.
Comes directly from the SPLC.
Yes.
Well, yeah, exactly.
There you go.
And then, of course, as we know, part of the whole 2020 election, rigged election.
So that's just one dot I'm sure that you and others are going to be able to connect.
But this is really so indicative of how powerful the left is and how they are able to.
Leverage their funding, immense amounts of funding, to conspire with the government and other powerful institutions to break not just the MAGA, not just the MAGA movement, not just the president, but the entire Republican Party, conservatives, and everything that is tied to what we believe in.
So it, and you know, it just speaks to how empty what the left is because they don't have ideas.
They don't have policies that attract most Americans.
So they just have nothing.
All they can do is do these smear campaigns and trap people, make them look, try to look like something that they are not.
And this is a really, I think, powerful step, what Todd Blanch and Kash Patel have done here.
And it's getting a lot of people's attention, as you know.
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Julie Kelly, that's just about all the time we have.
Tell people where they can go to follow you, where I notice on X, you are just about to cross the 1 million follower mark.
I've been sitting there for a while, but that's all right.
But thank you, Jack.
And I want to thank you because you've promoted my work for years.
So I'm so grateful to you.
I'm on X, Julie underscore Kelly 2, and then declassified with Julie Kelly at Substack.
I am going to have something up about all of this tonight on my Substack for people to check out.
Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay ashore.