March 31, 2026 - Human Events Daily - Jack Posobiec
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Breaking: Tyler Robinson's Parents & Boyfriend to Testify For The Prosecution
Jack Posobiec anchors Human Events Daily with breaking news on Tyler Robinson's trial, where prosecutors plan to call his parents and boyfriend Lance Twiggs despite defense requests for a six-month delay over 600,000 files. The broadcast covers Shelly Kittleson's abduction in Baghdad, Supreme Court rulings on conversion therapy, and travel warnings for Gulf nations amid the Iran conflict. Posobiec critiques conspiracy theories surrounding high-profile deaths while warning against transhumanist links to AI violence, concluding that transparency remains elusive in modern assassinations. [Automatically generated summary]
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It could be any, any particular number, but we would never reveal precisely what it is because our goal is to finish those objectives.
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We have breaking news coming to you right now from the streets of Baghdad, of all places, where a female American journalist, Shelly Kittleson, has just been abducted by gunmen on the streets of Baghdad.
This is breaking news that happened only moments ago.
And she is someone to give you the background, Shelly Kittleson, she has been reporting on the ground in the Middle East on the conflicts there for over a decade, almost two decades, really, going back almost 15 years.
And she's reported extensively from Afghanistan, from Syria, from so many places.
She's a freelancer, but she's reported for Al Monitor.
She's reported for Politico, for BBC, with so many foreign policy, New Lines magazine, the new Arab, BBC World Service, numerous awards from Italy for courageous reporting from war zones.
She's extensively known for her coverage of frontline battles against ISIS and the Taliban, as well as displacement, the impact of war on civilians.
And then, of course, she has also focused a bit recently on Iraqi politics.
And perhaps some people may speculate that that has something to do with this abduction.
There are initial reports, and I want to be very clear about this, that these are initial because this only happened just moments ago, that she may have been taken by Qatayib Hezbollah, or KH.
So this is the main Shia militia group, which operates within Iraq.
Now, they are a totally separate, they are a separate group from the Lebanese Hezbollah, which of course everyone knows and they obviously share a name, but they are a distinct group, which of course operates with the backing of Iran, as many of the Shia militia groups or SMGs do throughout Iraq.
And they are considered the most potent and secretive militia in all of Iraq, and in many cases, works under the direct command of the IRGC.
And so this is something where is obviously going to change so much of the tenor, so much of the conversation where Peshin Yan, who is president of Armenia, had been coming out earlier today, and markets have reacted to this almost immediately, saying that Iran is ready for an end to the war.
Of course, President Trump coming out earlier this morning and talking about the Strait of Hormuz, saying it's time for other countries to step up.
You saw, of course, the Department of War's press conference at the Pentagon this morning, Real America's Voice was there covering that on the scene, talking about operations continuing.
But a flurry of developments here in just the last couple of moments with President of Armenia coming out and perhaps sending some signals that the new regime in Iran is looking to sit down and make a deal.
Now, of course, we here have been at Human Events Daily, have been reporting almost extensively throughout the last couple of days about these talks.
And we're looking very much at the talks in Pakistan.
We talked about this last week.
We talked about this week how you have this meeting.
We heard that Witkoff and Kushner were going to be sent there.
We also heard JD Vance perhaps making a trip over to Pakistan.
We know that he's going to be in Europe very soon to sit down and perhaps appear with Prime Minister Victor Orban in Hungary, who of course has an election coming up.
So wouldn't surprise me just kind of reading the tea leaves here that if he does make it on down to Pakistan, that he could possibly combine the trips the same way he did with his last European trip where he went down to Israel and of course visited the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, which we'll be talking about a little bit later today in the episode and was the subject of much news over the weekend.
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Tyler Robinson Case Evidence Stacks Up00:15:42
Okay, so news broke last night, a very misleading Daily Mail headline talking about a new filing in the Tyler Robinson case and had to do with something that actually come up prior to yesterday in a at the end of the last hearing.
It was in a motion at the end of the last hearing and this issue about retesting and further testing of a piece of evidence from the case.
This was a huge part of the last hearing.
And if you remember, that last hearing is also where Tyler Robinson's lawyers decided to attack myself and Libby Emmons at Human Events because they didn't like the fact that we were pushing for cameras in the courtroom.
So Kathy Nestor and the legal team there were attacking human events.
Now, what we did find, though, was that this retesting of evidence had to do with bullet fragments and had to do with bullet fragments that were found during the autopsy of Charlie Kirk.
And those bullet fragments were so small that it was an inconclusive test to be able to bring it back and connect it directly with any barrel of any gun.
So they were not able to test them because they had fragmented so much when they struck Charlie and the bullet then shattered into many pieces.
And the pieces that were found were not able to be matched directly.
So they're now moving on to metallurgical tests.
And so this new filing is out.
And of course, what do we see?
More delay tactics from the defense team.
The defense team wants to continue to kick the can down the road to push further and further and further from the date itself.
And now they are moving to push back the preliminary hearing date, which was originally set for May 17th.
I want to bring on here Libby Emmons.
She's the editor-in-chief of the Postmillennial and Human Events.
And Libby has gone through today's hearing or today's motion as well as myself.
Libby, how are you?
I'm good, Jack.
Thanks.
And Libby, I'm just going to say right now, as now, we already knew this piece about the fragment, but the thing that came out to me that was so actually, you know, breaking in terms of news, the newest thing that I had seen that I hadn't seen this reported anywhere until this filing, that we now see that the defense tells us that the prosecution plans to have Tyler Robinson's own parents and his boyfriend,
his trans boyfriend, Lance Twiggs, testify against him in court.
What do you make of this latest development that we're getting from the defense team?
Yeah, I think it's really important that these witnesses come in and testify.
And it was revealing that they put this in their motion for the six-month delay that they're asking for, essentially.
And I think it will be very interesting to see the parents, Mr. and Mrs. Robinson, testify, as well as Mr. Twiggs, who we know has been essentially in hiding since Charlie Kirk was assassinated in September.
So we will have to see what comes of it.
But this also is revealing in terms of why we might think the defense definitely doesn't want cameras in the courtroom.
What could be more damning than seeing parents testify against their own son in a capital murder case?
What do you make of the fact that the parents are willing to testify, that it seems that they will both testify?
We know that in, I think, the initial charging documents, we saw the story there about how this chain of events took place where the mother saw Tyler Robinson's image.
We didn't know, the public didn't know the identification of him when it was released by law enforcement.
It was the mother who identifies him, goes to the father.
The father then confronts him, asks him about where's grandpa's rifle.
Robinson doesn't respond.
Robinson later becomes, we're told, suicidal.
And at that point, that's when the father makes the identification and notifies law enforcement.
So Libby, just sort of walk us through that chain of events, both from a legal perspective.
And of course, as we know, this will at some point be presented to a jury.
How impactful is it going to be having his own parents on stand like that?
Yeah, I can certainly imagine being a member of that jury and being very moved by their testimony.
You would imagine, certainly, as a jury member, that if you are witnessing parents testifying against their own son, you know, which I imagine they will give the facts of the situation.
I imagine they obviously do not want anything further terrible to happen to their child, but it is imperative that they take the stand.
And it's also possible that were they not to voluntarily take the stand, they would have been called as perhaps hostile witnesses or something of that nature.
But I think that as a jury member, you'd be specifically, you know, you'd be moved by this to see this going on.
I have nothing but compassion for these parents and what they're going through with their family.
It's absolutely a devastating scenario.
But yeah, the defense will also want to cross-examine them.
And what they're interested in also are bringing in expert witnesses.
And that's something that they revealed in their motion.
They want more time to bring in experts to go through not only all of the discovery that they're receiving from the defense, but also to dig into what's going on with these parents and to, you know, ask questions of their testimony.
So that's part of what the defense is doing as well, is they want all of this extra time for experts to come in and take a closer look at everything.
And of course, the defense team is always, when they don't have evidence on their side, evidence of, you know, really strong exculpatory evidence, which we've said over and over, that the evidence here just is stacked up in one direction.
And there is, again, there's just no evidence that anyone's been able to present showing a credible alternative here.
And so the evidence stacks up.
The evidence is clearly on one side in this case, up to and of course, by the way, and I just have to say, up to and of course, the fact that the parents of the victim themselves were the ones who made the identification and were the ones who we now know are going to be taking the stand and essentially pointing at their son and say, that is the person I identified.
That is my son.
Yeah, they're going to have to do that.
And the defense also in their ask for a six-month delay, which you imagine, I was thinking about this, you imagine they really want the public to forget about this case.
They really want this to just get scooted under the rug.
They don't want anyone to remember this.
And six months from May is quite a, that's going to be a year, right, since Charlie was killed.
So it's a long time and they really want these delays.
One of the things that they said is that they have to go through, you know, 600,000 files, 12 terabytes of data, and 5,000 videos containing more than 700 hours of video.
So they want to scour through this.
But I think they're also using this as an excuse to get the delays done.
And when you look at the motion they filed, they indicated that should the delay not be granted by Judge Graff, that could end up being a situation where they could move for a new trial or move for a mistrial or say that this trial was not good enough.
So that's what they're looking for as well.
They're looking for extensive delays.
They have a lot of material to go through.
I imagine a bunch of it is duplicates, frankly, because it's everybody's cell phone footage from Utah Valley University on September 10th.
And they want to bring in the experts and try and discredit the parents as well.
So we're really going to have to see what happens here.
But my guess is that Graf is going to grant the delay.
Well, I would say we'll see because here's my thought on this as well is that this is not the trial itself.
This is the preliminary hearing.
And so since it is the preliminary hearing, where Tyler Robinson, by the way, has yet to actually introduce a plea.
He has not pled guilty.
He has not pled not guilty.
There has been no plea at this point.
And this is the way the Utah system works.
It's slightly different than other states.
And so because this is the preliminary hearing, this is a bar that the case has to get over.
It is perfunctory in many cases, but it is also this hearing where so much of the evidence is going to be laid out.
This is a huge key here.
So the defense, of course, wants to delay the evidence being released to the public as much as possible, but it's going to be at that preliminary hearing where a lot of the evidence is going to come out.
And in fact, they mention photographs of Charlie's body, photographs of the autopsy.
They reference this in the court filing.
Those are all going to be part of the public record in this case, as they are part of the public record in all murder cases.
And so all of these things have yet to be released.
There's DNA that's yet to come out.
And so even though there's some evidence, which of course is still being tested, the point of the judge that he has made numerous times is that you don't need all of this to be finished just to get through the preliminary hearing.
This is not the actual trial itself.
So I could see what you're saying.
I totally could see him rule that way and say that we want to grant this delay.
But also because this is the hearing itself and not just the actual trial, I could potentially see him saying, no, we're going to go ahead and we have yet to even set a trial date.
Libby Emmons, more with you on the case of Tyler Robinson, the murder of Charlie Kirk.
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We're on with Libby Emmons.
And we've been talking about how the parents of Tyler Robinson, Matt Robinson and Amber Robinson, are now reportedly in this new court document, this new court filing, going to take the stand and actually testify on behalf of the prosecution in the case here.
It's a stunning development, to be sure.
But Libby, I also want to ask you about the fact that Lance Twiggs, Lance Twiggs, the trans furry, I guess, former boyfriend, is also going to be taking the stand against his former lover, Tyler Robinson.
And of course, we know that with married couples, you know, marriage prevents the, you know, the forced nature of being, you can't be forced to testify against your spouse.
But of course, we don't have that here.
So this is high drama.
And we've also been told that Twiggs has been very cooperative with law enforcement since the very beginning.
And all this is interesting to me because when you read more into the relationship and the turkey tom leaks that have come out with a whistleblower from, you know, this former member of their group,
that it was Twiggs who really was responsible for radicalizing Tyler, for pushing him to become more political, said at one point that there was information or there was an implication that Tyler was a virgin before he started living with Lance Twiggs and that Twiggs had actually sort of kind of twisted him into this role where he's constantly trying to impress.
Tyler's trying to impress Twiggs and ingratiate himself with Twiggs.
And that actually this isn't even the first the first roommate that he had done this to.
And so Libby, just, you know, we kind of throw all that together.
What is your sense of what's going to happen when Twiggs takes a stand?
Yeah, I mean, Twiggs has left Utah.
He's been living apparently in Texas with his Mormon relatives.
He's been pretty much out of the spotlight in photographs that have emerged of him since then.
He has not appeared as anything other than a young man.
So that's sort of an interesting thing too, if perhaps this has changed his position on his, you know, various identity factors or whatnot.
But it will be interesting to hear what he has to say.
And I imagine that he will be asked about some of those messages that went back and forth between himself and Robinson in the aftermath of Charlie Kirk's shooting, where we had Robinson saying things like, you know, remove these different notes that I left behind and sort of admitting that he had undertaken this horrific act.
So we'll see what happens there and what goes on.
I think the defense is definitely going to be trying to discredit that.
They might try and say that some of what passed between them is just hearsay and not admissible in court, you know, so that's something that we might be looking out for as well.
But it's, yeah, I mean, the relationship between the two of them is something that will have to be exposed in court.
And the judge will have to get an understanding and the jury of exactly what that was like and what kind of impact Twiggs maybe had on Robinson.
And, you know, I'm just going to say, I'll come out and this has always been my big question is at what point did Lance Twiggs know what his roommate and his gay lover was up to?
And at what point did he not know?
Because we hear all this story about a letter that was being left that Tyler left a letter for Twiggs at his home.
We see these text messages.
There's these Discord chats.
There's all this information going out and the etchings on the bullet casings.
Of course, we were talking about the bullet finding earlier today, but these etchings on the bullet casings that we're told that Lance Twiggs saw, that he saw him making the etchings in the bullet casings and somehow didn't think to say, hey, Ty, what's with the etchings on the bullet casings?
Why are you writing things like hey, fascist catch and, you know, Bella Chow, Bella Chow, Bella Chow, Chow, Chow, the Antifa International Anthem, putting that on the bullet casings?
Because got to say, Libby, if I was over your place, you know, for an Easter dinner and I saw you etching some bullet casings, I might say, hey, Libs, what you doing?
What's going on there?
Yeah, I mean, there's also the, there's been every indication, and this is not just from, you know, Robinson and Twiggs, but from the other people who had known them well, from friends that we've seen, you know, speak against, speak about this, that Twiggs was very self-involved, right?
He was creating nests.
He had no concern for the other people in his home.
He was growing mold in the kitchen, doing really disgusting things, taking over the whole space.
So you wonder if Twiggs even noticed what was going on with Robinson or if he was entirely absorbed in himself.
There was a lot of drug use, which certainly leads to introspection rather than it does to pay attention to the people around you.
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So that could certainly be part of it as well.
And, you know, I mean, if we really want to let our imaginations run wild, we could imagine that Robinson was wanting more attention from Twiggs and was perhaps undertaking these acts looking for Twiggs to pay attention to him, to, you know, acknowledge him, to become interested in what he was doing and what was going on in his life.
So that could be part of it as well.
There's so much of this and the stakes couldn't be higher.
And so we're going to get, and I'm sure, by the way, at least at the preliminary hearing, that what we're going to see is the questioning of the specifics of the identification process, the specifics of everything that's in that charging document.
Were these text messages sent by you?
Were, you know, was this the image that you used to identify your son?
Was this the image that you used to identify the rifle?
That kind of thing.
It would be perfunctory.
But of course, because it is a hearing, then Tyler Robinson's legal team will have the opportunity to cross-examine as well, which actually sort of puts Twiggs and the defense in an interesting spot when it comes to Twiggs because, you know, the defense is now going to be in a spot where they have to say that Twiggs somehow didn't know that it was going on, but also that their client is innocent.
And it just creates a very interesting situation for them because what, you know, what are they going to do?
Try to impeach the witness who, again, was the, you know, you just don't usually get a witness that's so close to a perpetrator because of marriage laws or something like this.
You do get exes, et cetera.
So this is going to be a very, very impactful hearing when it does take place.
Lance Twiggs and the parents of Tyler Robinson taking the stand to testify against him.
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Yeah, I just did a podcast with Jack.
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All right, so all of this going on.
We've got these communists that are on trial now, one of which will be testifying, one of which will be on the, you know, on behind the defense state.
We don't know if he's actually going to take the stand yet, but Lance Twiggs, Tyler Robinson.
So of course, I had to get on my favorite anti-communist, Evida Duffy, to come in on this.
Evida, how are you?
Good.
Thanks for having me, Jack.
So Evida, I know there's a lot making the rounds, but I think the buried lead in this new filing from Tyler Robinson's defense team is that it says right here that prosecutors intend to call Robinson's parents and his roommate and romantic partner, Lance Twiggs, to testify at the preliminary hearing.
Evida, you know, you're always out there kind of monitoring what's going on online, social media, the chatter, TikTok.
How much of an impact do you think it will have if the parents of Tyler Robinson themselves, as well as his own, I would assume former boyfriend, former lover at this point, are in court testifying against him?
Well, it's a huge deal, Jack.
And I mean, let's be honest about what's circulating online right now.
It's that Tyler Robinson is a Patsy and that there's somebody else behind the scenes who was actually the, who's actually the Charlie Kirk murderer.
Maybe he was put up to it by the boyfriend.
Like having having his parents and his furry boyfriend testify against him is a big deal, I guess, in the conspiracy theory world.
And yeah, I think that it's going to be a big deal, I think, that we have cameras in the courtroom present as well, Jack, because I know you were upset about this as well as I was, that we were at first not going to be able to have full transparency into this case.
Now we will.
We need that because Charlie Kirk had such a huge impact on my generation, on the entire country.
And we need the truth to come out.
And we need to have real clarity because otherwise we just leave it to lots of different conspiracies and people who are spreading, I think, a lot of confusion.
No, I think that's right.
And I think the Daily Mail headline that came out yesterday regarding this case was very much a clickbait headline.
And it's something where, and I'll just say it, right?
That the true crime community does stuff like this all the time.
And anyone who's been listening to Human Events Daily for any period of time knows that I've called the true crime community consistently a cancer on society.
And they are completely reprehensible.
They work with complete frauds like the Innocence Project, and they use these types of tactics all the time.
They will just run with anything that the defense says, any claim, any accusation must be true.
And any piece of evidence must be false because it's being presented by the prosecution.
You see this over and over in these true crime cases that these podcasters and the true crime community always bring up.
I think of the New York Times doing this.
I think of Netflix doing this in The Making of a Murderer over and over and over.
And it's just always fake.
It's just always fake.
It never holds up.
And that's exactly what the Daily Mail did yesterday and talking about an inconclusive case and then shaping a headline to make it look like something else was being said.
And this is a huge problem.
This is a huge problem for us if we want to have actual truth in our society because you get these half-truths, you get these myth truths that are spread out.
You see the same thing with Derek Chauvin, George Floyd.
I mean, you could go down the list of all the different cases that people lie about.
And again, we have here at Human Events Daily been very consistent about what the truth was.
I love people who, you know, are actually truth seekers, who will go out and do the work that sometimes law enforcement isn't willing to do or isn't capable of doing.
But there's also something sick about the true crime community, Jack, that cannot be denied.
Making a murderer is a great example.
What happened with the four college students a few years ago with Brian Koberger?
I mean, the intrigue around it, there's almost something kind of disturbing about people's fascination with the case and then concocting these theories that are completely based like outside of reality just for, I think, the sheer joy of concocting it.
That it's unhelpful and it doesn't help the truth come out.
It doesn't make anything better.
So I guess I think this is just so important that we have transparency in this case.
So I agree.
You know, by the way, do you know there are people who in the true crime community who still push the notion that Brian Koberger is actually innocent?
And you may not know about this, but there is a name for them.
They are called the pro-burgers.
So the pro-burgers are people who actually believe that Brian Koberg, despite the evidence and despite the plea, actually believe that he was set up, that there was some conspiracy.
And in fact, there was a woman, I should have pulled it up.
There's a girl on TikTok who was saying that some local college professor was actually behind the entire thing.
The professor sues the individual on TikTok and won a pretty big settlement in a defamation case against this because again, this person had just no complicity whatsoever.
And here was somebody on TikTok using this case for clicks and using this person's name and accusing them of a crime in order to, you know, just burnish their profile.
So again, for people who have not been following that case and the way the true crime community and some of the, I would say, negative elements and toxic elements of it have locked on, go and look up the pro-burgers.
Yes, the pro-burgers.
Jack, there was, I think it was, it was actually a couple years ago that a movie studio bought the rights to the story of these college students murder and this Brian Koberger story, which I think tells you a lot about like where we are in the true crime community, right?
It's not just individuals, but there are like, there's like a whole industry behind this where people make a lot of money.
I just think, I just think reveling in like the sickness of the details.
I don't know, it kind of reminds me of when the Catholic Church talks about like exorcisms and sort of this dark side of the spiritual world.
And you're supposed to know that it exists, but you aren't supposed to want to have this sort of sick love and fascination for it.
You're supposed to actually not want to dig into it too deeply.
That's kind of how I feel about some of these true crime things because it just leads you down a terrible rabbit hole.
I think women especially get to be hooked onto it more than men, right?
How many like husbands and boyfriends out there are like, I can't believe that she's listening to these crazy podcasts or like true crime documentaries.
And it is kind of, I think, a sick fascination that is not helpful or good for your soul.
Well, I agree with you that I don't think it's good for the soul.
And, you know, at the same time, I don't have a problem with people, I would say, following cases.
You know, that's one thing.
And of course, we live in a society and where we should do this, this is also something where, by the way, I think that a lot of people, I'm very critical of the mainstream entertainment media as well, because when you watch, there's all these cop shows on TV, you know, broadcast TV or on streaming TV, and they just lie.
They're all just lies.
They're all just complete lies about violence and murder in America.
And they have been for years.
So if you go back to like Murder She Wrote, right, with Angela Lansberry, it's this idea that like, oh yeah, she's in this like scenic New England town or there's a murder every week and it's like someone in the community.
It's no, that's just not true.
That's just not true at all.
The vast majority of violence in this country and homicide in this country is perpetuated in the inner city.
And it is inner city gang on gang violence over and over and over and in schools as well.
So you see this constantly.
And yet where is this depicted on TV?
Never.
It is never once shown.
We're told that there's this like epidemic of white collar homicide that exists only in television.
And so that's what people believe the world is like.
But if you actually just look at like local news or find out what's going on from your, you know, basically just follow your local police.
That's what I do.
And you can see what the crime is like.
And it ain't anything like what you see on TV.
Well, and Jack, I mean, I mean, to that, to that point, you know, it's always a balance.
There is taking it too far.
There is reveling in it.
There's a sick fascination.
There's also, I think, asking legitimate questions.
I think a question that I've even asked you offline, you know, can this weapon have actually done the damage that it did to Charlie Kirk?
Some people are saying that, you know, the kind of weapon that killed him would have blown his head off.
Is that true?
Like, these are the kind of things that I'd like to see answered before.
We're coming on a break, so I don't want to feel like I'm cutting that off.
Totally fine with everyone asking questions.
Totally fine.
But what I do have a problem with is people coming to conclusions rather than actually asking questions in good faith.
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And Avita, you were asking a question right before we got cut off by the break.
And we'll be clear about that.
We're cut off by the break regarding the lack of an exit wound for in Charlie's murder.
And this has been a question that's come up since day one, people saying, hey, there's this, there's this, these videos floating around of Charlie.
We don't see the exit wound.
You know, what's going on with that?
And that's basically what you're asking, right?
30 odd six would never have the type of wound that we see on Charlie in the video.
Afterwards, there have been all these people with these YouTube videos doing tests where you see a dummy and the dummy just explodes.
And so that's created, I think, a lot of confusion and questions.
And yeah, I would love, Jack, you had an interesting thing to say in the break.
So I'd love for you to take it.
Yes, we were just chatting about it.
And I'll, you know, this has been out publicly for, you know, go back at the time.
And there was a report that came out regarding the surgeon who operated on Charlie.
And I would love, by the way, for the actual autopsy to be released so that people could see this information.
I believe that it will be released at the time of the preliminary hearing, which of course, by the way, this is what the defense team is trying to push back the release of this evidence.
But Charlie's autopsy that we were told by the surgeon who conducted the autopsy that the bullet hit Charlie at a downward angle.
So remember, Charlie's sitting at the bottom of this amphitheater and the shooter is at, you know, is on top of the building.
So it's fired at a downward angle.
Most of the YouTube videos that you were just referencing don't portray this at all.
They show a horizontal, they show a horizontal depiction like on a range, but that's not exactly what was happening at all.
That isn't even a little bit what was happening.
That's not even close to the actual situation.
Plus, they're not using, they're using like ballistics gel and things like this that simply do not approximate what happens when you fire a round into a human being.
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They're just, they're just fundamentally different in many cases and for many, many reasons.
And so it's the downward trajectory plus the shattering of the bullet.
So if you look at the defense filing that came out on, I guess, Friday, and then people are now digging into it, it says that the bullet fragmented.
That is the exact reason for the lack of an exit wound on Charlie's body because the bullet fragments, hits his collarbone fragments, and then at a downward trajectory.
So these fragmented pieces end up just doing what they're designed to do and shred the insides of Charlie's organs, his chest cavity.
And that is where they remained.
And that is how we're told, I think it's one, it's a bullet jacket fragment that they were trying to match with the striations of the barrel, but they weren't able to because it was just too small of a piece.
So now what they're moving to for the ATF, they're trying to see, I think it's ATF and FBI are trying to see if they can match using metallurgy to match the specifics of the chemical and metal composition of the bullet fragment found in Charlie with the bullet casings and bullets that were left separate.
So again, that's the information that I have on that.
And that was always the explanation that I was given on why that happened.
And also that this isn't the, and also, by the way, this isn't the first time that this has happened.
This is something that happens with high velocity rounds, with rifle rounds.
It's actually, interestingly enough, it's actually the same thing that happened to Martin Luther King when Martin Luther King was shot.
There was no exit wound and it was a 30 out six.
And so if it hits him in the collarbone, I think like a question a lot of people are going to have, including myself, is, okay, so then why are we seeing it come like a piece of shrapnel come back up, right, and hit him in the neck?
I mean, obviously where we're seeing that it's above the collarbone.
I've watched the video a thousand times.
To me, what I see is, you know, the neck wound opening, and I don't see anything that jumps up other than his shirt.
And that's the energy from the round that's expending itself inside, again, his neck and his and his body and his shirt.
Okay.
But I don't think there's anything jumping up, at least in terms of the like a bullet or a piece of shrapnel.
I know there was a theory at one point that Charlie was potentially wearing a vest.
And keep in mind, these are like really zoomed in, like iPhone videos and stuff.
So there's a lot of just, you know, it's not like 4K video or something.
And so there's just a lot of pixelation.
And I know there was a theory that some people had that perhaps he was wearing a vest and that the vest ricocheted into Charlie's neck.
And that just wasn't the case.
That was the entrance wound.
Well, I think, Jack, we have to be honest about why this has been such a difficult conversation for so many of us to have.
Because I mean, think about the lack of transparency that we've had on Jeffrey Epstein for years and years.
Obviously, I mean, Joe Biden, Epstein files.
We have all this drama around it.
And then, of course, what happened with JFK and MLK and RFK.
I mean, like, I mean, and President Trump, to his credit, has released a lot of these documents.
But the problem is that there has been this perception, and I think not unjustified from the American people that when there's a high-profile assassination, there's not a lot of transparency from our government.
And so immediately when we see somebody like Charlie Kirk be murdered, understandably, people get very, I think, suspicious of our own government and for good reason because they've lied to us so many times.
I couldn't agree more.
I couldn't agree more.
And that's why in every time that I've talked about this or every time I've talked to the administration about this or anyone involved with it, that I always say, guys, you want to err on the side of transparency and you want to put, if there's information that can be put out, put it out.
If there's reports that should be put out, they should be put out.
The autopsy, I've said this from the very start, that this should just be released, just release the autopsy to, again, give people the information as to what's out there.
Because, look, I get it that in a, you know, in a, in a sort of pre-internet setting, you want to kind of hold everything until you get to trial.
You want to be, um, be cognizant of all of these things.
But at the same time, information just doesn't work that way anymore.
And we live in an information environment where people are saying, oh, well, you holding something back for trial, you know, that's, that's actually you hiding something and that makes it look like you're hiding something.
And we live in a time when we've seen so many lies between as your point, Epstein and I would even say COVID, Russia Gate, the censorship of the internet, which we know was done at the behest of the FBI, the previous FBI, during 2020.
So, I mean, like, I get it.
Like, I actually don't hold it against people for asking questions.
I totally understand why people would want to.
I just, in my, look, Charlie was just, you know, did the bumper right there.
You know, we used to do a show together every Thursday.
This guy's my friend.
If people think I didn't ask any questions, like, are you serious?
If you know anything about like what I do and what I'm going to try to look into for my friend, and this is the information that I've been given, you know, this is the information that I've been able to find, that I've been able to receive in terms of like either just looking online or talking to people that obviously I know a lot of people who are there.
I wasn't there myself, but I work with a lot of people who are there.
And so this is, this is the best that, you know, the best explanation that I've been given thus far.
And if there's more, I'd love to hear more.
And I was just saying one with Libby that, you know, I really think that there, I have serious questions about Lance Twiggs and I have serious questions as about what he knew or what influence he had with Tyler, whether Tyler was trying to impress him, his obsession with ChatGPT and these conversations with ChatGPT and all of these strange obsessions that he had, because we know ChatGPT has been linked with acts of violence in the past, extremely high-profile acts of violence.
And where are those chat logs?
So, you know, people are like, oh, do you have questions?
Like, yeah, I have a lot of questions, but they're, you know, questions that I've been able to try to answer in certain ways and questions that I think are still outstanding.
And we were going to talk about the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, but I think we'll have to bring that up for another time because we're just about out of time, unfortunately, Evita.
But I appreciate your questions.
And I think this is a good conversation.
I agree, Jack.
And on the ChatGPT thing, I mean, I think that there is a real spiritual element to that as well.
And the people that are creating open AI, I mean, let's just be honest, they're all transhumanists.
And there's been many murders and suicides that have now been linked to Chat GPT.
And that needs to be looked into thoroughly because it has, I mean, everybody's using it now.
Now everybody's using this OpenAI.
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