Human Events Daily - Jack Posobiec - The Biggest Threat To America: Terrorism, Mass Immigration, or People on Social Media?
Aired: 2026-03-12
Duration: 47:59


=== Cruz's Social Media Threats (06:47) ===

[00:00:02]  Hey guys, it's Jack.
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[00:00:32]  This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare.
[00:00:41]  A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.
[00:00:48]  This is Human Events with your host, Jack Pisovic.
[00:00:51]  Christ is king.
[00:00:52]  Today, Senator Cornyn reversed a long-held position in hopes of getting one of the president's priorities passed.
[00:01:00]  As Senate Republicans pushed the president to back Cornyn, President Donald Trump is pressuring them to pass the Save America Act.
[00:01:07]  It would require proof of citizenship and a photo ID to vote in federal elections and now goes beyond voting, targeting transgender rights.
[00:01:15]  It's the most popular bill I've ever seen put before Congress.
[00:01:19]  Paxson says he'd consider dropping out of the runoff if Senate Republicans abolished the filibuster, the 60-vote threshold to pass a bill.
[00:01:26]  Cornyn has long supported the filibuster.
[00:01:28]  It's one of the few tools the minority party has to fight bills.
[00:01:32]  But he announced a change of heart in an op-ed Wednesday, writing he'll support whatever changes the Senate rules may prove necessary.
[00:01:38]  This morning, Congress appears no closer to reaching a deal to fund the Homeland Security Department.
[00:01:43]  That means a partial shutdown drags on, affecting workers like TSA agents during a busy spring break travel season, along with cybersecurity agents and Coast Guard personnel.
[00:01:54]  One new proposal from Democrats would have funded nearly all Homeland Security agencies except for immigration enforcement.
[00:02:01]  But Republicans are demanding all agencies be funded.
[00:02:04]  So new reporting just coming in of a warning to law enforcement in California from the FBI that Iran could retaliate against U.S. strikes by launching drones at the West Coast.
[00:02:17]  Two oil tankers on fire in the Persian Gulf, forcing Iraq to suspend oil operations.
[00:02:22]  Local officials blaming Iran.
[00:02:27]  Flames engulfing one of the tankers.
[00:02:29]  At least one person was reportedly killed and dozens more rescued.
[00:02:33]  A cargo ship off the coast of Oman was also hit.
[00:02:36]  A crew member killed.
[00:02:37]  Iran claims the ship ignored warnings not to travel through the Strait of Hormuz.
[00:02:41]  Iran's new supreme leader, Ayatollah Mataba Khameni, has issued his first statement since the war began.
[00:02:48]  He has chosen to replace his father, who was killed in the first strikes in the war.
[00:02:52]  His statement was read on state television a short time ago saying that Iran's attacks on the Gulf Arab neighbors would continue and vowing to avenge who he called martyrs that have been killed by U.S. and Israeli forces.
[00:03:07]  Ladies and gentlemen, welcome on board today's edition of Human Events Daily.
[00:03:11]  We're here live on Real America's Voice.
[00:03:15]  Today is March 12th, 2026.
[00:03:20]  And big questions about the United States right now.
[00:03:23]  What is the biggest threat to the United States?
[00:03:26]  What is the biggest threat that we face?
[00:03:30]  Could it be potentially the rise of radical Islam?
[00:03:34]  Could it be perhaps the threat where we had an ISIS attack in New York City just a couple of days ago?
[00:03:40]  Could it in fact be the massive invasion that's going on inside America's shores right now, where millions upon millions of foreigners with third world backgrounds, with radical ties like we saw again at a Pennsylvania, Newtown, Pennsylvania, like we've been talking about all week, have come into this country, both in some cases on a thin legal basis and in other cases on a completely illegal basis.
[00:04:09]  Could perhaps the biggest threat in America today be the rise of leftist violence, the type of leftist violence which has attempted to kill President Trump more times than we can even count, including multiple direct assassination attempts?
[00:04:24]  Or could it even, by the way, also attempts on JD Vance?
[00:04:28]  By the way, there was an attempt, there was a third assassination attempt on President Trump just a couple of weeks ago where someone scaled the wall of Mar-a-Lago, got in with a gas can and a shotgun, and was trying to either kill the president or burn down Mar-a-Lago or both.
[00:04:47]  The same type of leftist violence, of course, as we know, just six months ago resulted in the murder of Charlie Kirk, one of the most important conservative figures in the entire country, my friend, and someone who certainly, certainly did not deserve what happened.
[00:05:07]  So all of those are great threats to the United States right now.
[00:05:12]  Now, Senator Ted Cruz the other day tweeted out that he thought the greatest threat, in fact, was a guy named Chucker Carlson.
[00:05:20]  And to which I responded, you know, there was an ISIS attack just a couple of days ago in New York City.
[00:05:25]  And I just, I think that there's really, really important things that are going on in this country that we don't have to worry about podcasts and e-drama and social media things where we could actually just focus on those direct transgender shooters all over the place,
[00:05:41]  that perhaps we could focus on those things and actually get something done about the violence that's incurring, that's occurred on American people, especially against conservatives like President Trump, like Charlie Kirk and his family, like JD Vance and his family, and so many countless others, as well as these transgender shooters, which again, they seemingly target schools predominantly, but also many other areas, hockey matches, for example.
[00:06:08]  And then Ted Cruz attacked me, saying that I'm anti-Trump now because of what I said, and that I'm apparently pro-Iran and pro-Hamas and pro-Mandami.
[00:06:20]  I mean, the only time I've ever met Mandami was when I confronted him to his face in the Oval Office over his anti-white policies.
[00:06:28]  And so here's my question for Senator Cruz.
[00:06:30]  Senator, number one, you know, can you find any example of me doing these things that you claim that I've done, which obviously aren't true, but more to the point, why are you so worried about social media?
[00:06:42]  Is social media taking up so much of your time?
[00:06:44]  If you want to be an influencer, Senator, then by all means, go ahead and be an influencer.

=== Health Risks for Everyone (02:39) ===

[00:06:49]  But you're not.
[00:06:50]  You're a senator sitting in the United States Senate representing the people of Texas.
[00:06:56]  And as such, where's the SAVE Act?
[00:06:59]  Where's the Save America Act that President Trump has talked about?
[00:07:02]  Ted Cruz hasn't even tweeted about the SAVE Act in a month.
[00:07:06]  I just checked.
[00:07:07]  It has been a month since Ted Cruz tweeted about the SAVE Act.
[00:07:11]  If you're going to be an influencer, maybe you could actually focus on the things that the president has put at the top of the agenda, Senator.
[00:07:18]  Basic common sense, I certainly thought.
[00:07:21]  We'll be right back here on Human Events.
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=== Grassroots Support for Paxton (15:44) ===

[00:09:29]  I want to bring in now the editor-in-chief of the National Pulse, Raheem Kassam, the elusive Raheem Kassam, who we've been trying to book him for weeks here on Human Events, and we finally have been able to track him down.
[00:09:43]  Raheem, thank you for coming up for air.
[00:09:46]  Can't afford me.
[00:09:47]  This is a problem.
[00:09:49]  I know, I know.
[00:09:51]  We've been wasting all our money on Kenny Cody and Libby Emmons, but finally, finally, we've saved up.
[00:09:58]  I'm getting it there, Mr. Kassam.
[00:10:00]  I was the future once.
[00:10:04]  And some of us will never be the future, of course.
[00:10:07]  Raheem, I wanted to get in with you.
[00:10:09]  I was talking about a Texas senator just a few moments ago, and well, we're also looking at another Texas senator there in that of John Cornyn, who's now running for reelection.
[00:10:20]  And this re-election fight between Cornyn and this primary challenge from Ken Paxton, it's Ken Action Paxton.
[00:10:29]  I think it's turned into something different.
[00:10:32]  I think it's turned into something bigger than just a race between two individuals.
[00:10:37]  And you had a tweet yesterday where you said that this primary race, which President Trump, at one point, it was rumored that he was going to get involved with an endorsement.
[00:10:46]  He had tweeted about coming in with an endorsement.
[00:10:49]  That actually has yet to happen.
[00:10:51]  That was about a week ago now.
[00:10:53]  And I know a lot of people were reaching out to him about endorsing for Cornyn, but then others reached out and said, well, hold on.
[00:10:59]  The grassroots really, really is behind Paxton.
[00:11:02]  Walk us through what's going on with this Texas Senate primary.
[00:11:06]  By the way, Action Paxton is almost as bad as yes, we can.
[00:11:14]  So congratulations on that.
[00:11:17]  Action Paxton, you're never going to forget it now.
[00:11:19]  It's sticky.
[00:11:20]  That's why it's good.
[00:11:21]  It's sticky.
[00:11:23]  I have been following this a little bit with hands off until the last week or so.
[00:11:30]  And I was kind of dragged into this race because one of John Cornyn's staff has decided to attack me late one night on X.
[00:11:37]  And I thought to myself, all right, you know, if you want the smoke, you're going to get the smoke.
[00:11:43]  And sure enough, they found themselves on the receiving end of a lot of our reporting as a result of it.
[00:11:50]  The fascinating thing for me about this race is that it, and I've tweeted this, it's a direction of travel competition here.
[00:12:01]  This is as important, if not more important.
[00:12:04]  And Dave Bratt just texts me about this, in fact, than that infamous Bratt versus Cantor Tea Party versus establishment GOP race of 2014, right?
[00:12:15]  Where Dave Bratt, kind of nobody had heard of before, deposed a House majority leader in Eric Center.
[00:12:24]  And it really set the stage.
[00:12:26]  It laid the foundation for the Trump, the MAGA phenomenon that came just, you know, started about 18 months to 24 months in earnest later.
[00:12:39]  You know, John Cornyn, even if you like John Cornyn, which I've yet to find anybody, honestly, if you like John Cornyn and you're out there and you're listening to this, please send me a message on social media on Truth Social or X or whatever, because I've yet to meet a real person that actually likes John Cornyn.
[00:13:00]  I know a lot of people who might tolerate John Cornyn, but if you look at his career, his trajectory, his history, his voting record, the way he treats his own constituents, the way he thinks about America, the way he thinks about the America First Agenda, all of it, all of it is the wrong direction of travel.
[00:13:21]  You know, his team will say, oh, but he votes with the president 97% of the time.
[00:13:26]  Most of what they include in that statistic are procedural votes.
[00:13:30]  They're not big ticket items.
[00:13:34]  Then you've got Ken Paxton, on the other hand, who, whatever his faults, by the way, and I don't think he's ever come into this race saying, you know, I'm an infallible man, has actually stood by the president, has litigated for the president, has stood with him in the courtrooms when the president was being persecuted before the last election.
[00:13:57]  You know, Ken Paxton is, as you say, a man of action.
[00:14:02]  And now I follow this race quite intently because the people who have always tried to lead President Trump astray, people like Chris LaSavita, are the consultants now for John Cornyn.
[00:14:17]  They've taken the money that you think, ladies and gentlemen, when you click those donation links and emails or text messages or whatever it is, you think that money's going in to support the president or to support the GOP agenda in the Senate.
[00:14:29]  They took $100 million of that money and they spent it against Ken Paxton in the primary.
[00:14:37]  That was your money.
[00:14:37]  That was donor money that was spent there to prop up Chris Lasavita's clients.
[00:14:42]  These people, and you take another one of them, Matt McCoviak, comms director for John Cornyn, has tweeted the most abhorrent things about President Trump over the years, nasty things.
[00:14:53]  Has tweeted about how much he loves George Floyd, tried to pitch me at the National Pulse, a pro-George Floyd op-ed in 2021.
[00:15:00]  It got roundly rejected on that.
[00:15:04]  And then I just saw last week John Cornyn's former political director referring to Ken Paxton voter as trailer park trash.
[00:15:13]  Where have we heard that kind of rhetoric before?
[00:15:15]  Oh, that's right.
[00:15:16]  The basket of deplorables.
[00:15:19]  So this race really is extremely important.
[00:15:23]  And even if you don't really like Ken Paxton himself, you have to like Ken Paxton the trajectory, the direction of travel.
[00:15:33]  Because if we go the wrong way on this, and Texas, you know, for everybody living in Texas right now, you have a race now that has been turned into a national referendum on the Save America Act, thanks to what Ken Paxton did last week, where he said, look, if they want to pass this thing, I will step down.
[00:15:49]  You want to take on the talking filibuster or you want to abolish the filibuster, and then I will fall on my sword in this race to make that happen.
[00:15:59]  Well, we're waiting, right?
[00:16:00]  We're waiting.
[00:16:01]  And John Cornyn's all over the place on the filibuster.
[00:16:03]  He's all over the place on the Save America Act.
[00:16:06]  And Texas, Texians, you need to understand that it is now in your gift, like it was for Virginians with Bratton Cantor, about the direction of travel for this entire movement and for the country.
[00:16:21]  Well, and you look at that race, that 2014 race, and we look at the timing of it, where this was one of those things in sort of the Tea Party era that was the birth of populism.
[00:16:34]  This was one of the things that set the stage and set the table for what you did over in the UK in terms of Brexit.
[00:16:43]  What we saw, by the way, and I always throw this in, law and justice in Poland, you know, this populist center-right party taking over.
[00:16:50]  And then eventually Donald J. Trump coming to what many people thought was a surprise victory.
[00:16:57]  Yet if you look at all of these data points prior to it, like that Eric Cantor-Dave Bratt race, the picking off of a House majority leader, a member of leadership, that these elements and these currents were always there.
[00:17:13]  Yeah, and Jack, if you don't mind me saying, I don't mean this as an insult or whatever, I know how it's going to sound.
[00:17:18]  This was before you were even involved, right?
[00:17:20]  Like I was still in the military.
[00:17:23]  I was still, you know, doing Intel community stuff back then.
[00:17:26]  You know, I'd sort of checked out of politics after my college Republican days because I was like, this isn't going anywhere.
[00:17:32]  But let me tell you, you know, I was in those rooms on Capitol Hill in those years in 2013, in 2014, and in 2015, where we would gather, you know, a few of us, just a handful of us.
[00:17:46]  And those handful included people like Steve Bannon, Dave Bratt, Laura Ingram, Nigel Farage, you know, and myself, a couple of others, Matt Boyle, a couple of others.
[00:17:59]  And we would, Stephen Miller, we were charting a course.
[00:18:04]  We were trying to put together the idea of a trajectory that would end us with a presidency like that of Donald J. Trump's.
[00:18:14]  And there are certain things that I take issue with that I think are not what we wanted back then in terms of trajectory.
[00:18:23]  But by and large, I think most Americans, most right-headed Americans, most right-headed conservatives, most right-headed people who put America first are desperately, desperately pleased that that all happened.
[00:18:36]  The same thing with Brexit, by the way.
[00:18:38]  No matter how it was mishandled in the years after 2016, most people, I think, are actually happy that we threw off the yoke of Brussels and the European Union.
[00:18:47]  And this is just as important as that.
[00:18:51]  Exactly right.
[00:18:52]  Raheem Kassam, we're coming up on a quick break.
[00:18:54]  I want to pick your mind on this some more because this is everything.
[00:18:58]  This is the whole ball game that we're talking about here.
[00:19:01]  It's so much bigger than just one challenge in one primary.
[00:19:05]  It is about, as you say, the state of the movement and the direction of travel.
[00:19:10]  Right back.
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[00:19:18]  These are influencers.
[00:19:20]  And they're friends of mine.
[00:19:22]  Jack Prusovic.
[00:19:24]  Where's Jack?
[00:19:25]  Jack.
[00:19:26]  He's got a great job.
[00:19:32]  All right, folks, Jack Psobic, we are back here.
[00:19:34]  Human Events Daily, Real America's Voice, shot of the White House there with snow covering it.
[00:19:40]  It's snowing in DC right now, despite the fact that it was a false spring for a couple of days there in DC.
[00:19:47]  Now, the snow has returned.
[00:19:49]  We're on with Raheem Kassam.
[00:19:50]  We're talking about sort of the direction of play, the direction of travel of the movement.
[00:19:55]  And Raheem, you know, this is one of those things where You know, a lot of people, and there's this Axios report now saying that there's going to be a de-emphasis on mass deportations that's been going out.
[00:20:09]  And, you know, we haven't seen a real direct response to that from the president yet.
[00:20:16]  I expect that he would probably take issue with it if it came up because he certainly said quite the opposite at so many of his rallies.
[00:20:25]  Yet there is this real question, I think, going on right now.
[00:20:28]  And I do think that that's one of the reasons that Senator Cruz is popping off a bit, where there's this sort of sense that the pre-2016 GOP wants to reassert itself, whereas the Trump GOP, the MAGA GOP, the new right, the populist right, not only has it been ascendant, but those are the people that would flood the ballot boxes for Ken Paxton against James Tallarico.
[00:20:58]  They would absolutely come out because they view Paxton for, you know, and they're not calling him some angel or something.
[00:21:04]  It's not Pastor Ken Paxton, right?
[00:21:06]  It's Action Paxton, which we are sticking with, by the way.
[00:21:10]  It's happening, whether you like it or not.
[00:21:13]  That you need to put those deliveries up for the base.
[00:21:17]  That's how Trump won in 2016.
[00:21:19]  That's how he won in 24.
[00:21:23]  The jury is, of course, unresponsive on 2020, though, of course, we know what happened there.
[00:21:30]  So talk us through a little bit more of this.
[00:21:32]  What would you like to see in terms of the movement?
[00:21:35]  Because it seems as though there's this dissension about what the direction is.
[00:21:40]  Yeah.
[00:21:41]  And it's a conversation that I've wanted to have since 2016.
[00:21:49]  You'll probably remember I used to sort of run around the Trump Hotel lobby in Washington, D.C., telling people that we needed to found a populist nationalist think tank that was able to create and train new talent and act as a clearinghouse for this sort of thing.
[00:22:08]  Otherwise, they're just going to sort of wait us out and the establishment's going to come back with a bit of a vengeance.
[00:22:14]  And unfortunately, we've been pretty poor about training up a next generation of fighters to take on the likes of John Cornyn and so forth.
[00:22:23]  And Ted's a weird one.
[00:22:25]  And people wonder about whether Rubio's Downseen conversion is real or not.
[00:22:34]  But Ted's a really weird one because he started the week talking about him in a bikini and now he's doing all this stuff on social media today, attacking you and others.
[00:22:46]  And I just think to myself, his communications team is probably having the worst week since his ill-timed vacation in Cancun.
[00:22:56]  And he goes through this sort of thing every so often.
[00:22:59]  And you can tell with these people that what they're actually processing is not hatred for you or your policy positions or whatever.
[00:23:06]  It's a hatred for themselves.
[00:23:07]  And the fact that they know that they've had to roll over for the president and for the MAGA movement for so many years and they're fundamentally uncomfortable with it.
[00:23:16]  Internally, this is not who these people are.
[00:23:18]  John Cornyn can try and convince you all he likes that he's had a change of heart.
[00:23:23]  It's not true.
[00:23:24]  It'll never be true.
[00:23:25]  There are very few people.
[00:23:26]  Marco Rubio might be one of them.
[00:23:28]  We're going to find out as time goes on who fundamentally changed their minds, who look in the mirror and recognize that their entire philosophy was wrong and they set about changing it.
[00:23:41]  Go ahead.
[00:23:44]  No, no, I appreciate what you're saying because I'm also thinking sort of how what Charlie was doing with Turning Point was certainly, you mentioned about training. the young talent and whereas Turning Point existed and does exist as a sort of talent identification.
[00:24:02]  And Charlie would always talk about it that way, where you find the leaders, you find the activist, you find who's good.
[00:24:08]  But there's sort of that middle piece where people sort of come up through the ranks of Turning Point and then they get jobs in DC.
[00:24:17]  And by the way, there's so many incredible individuals who are serving in the administration that followed that exact path.
[00:24:24]  But a lot of them, as you know, will get to the hill and they kind of take a slightly different path, don't they?
[00:24:31]  Yeah, this is what I mean.
[00:24:33]  So it's one thing to grab those people and Turning Point does a great job of it, to grab those people at a young age and put them on this trajectory.
[00:24:42]  But then what do we do once they're here?
[00:24:44]  Because every corporate, every pressure group, every think tank, everyone in this town is advocating for someone or something with a vested interest.
[00:24:56]  And we don't have a sort of America first vested interest entity or organization in this town.
[00:25:02]  There are plenty of them that sort of pretend to be, but there aren't actually any ones that reflect what the original sort of founding OG MAGA purpose was.

=== The Danger of Censorship (14:15) ===

[00:25:13]  And you start to see that online now.
[00:25:15]  You start to see a lot of OG MAGA people getting attacked, a lot of rhino operations that go on to try and discredit people.
[00:25:24]  And you start to see people turn, unfortunately.
[00:25:26]  You know, I don't want to start getting into beefs with people live on your show, but I'm incredibly disappointed at certain people who have been attacking MAGA OGs like Steve Bannon.
[00:25:36]  And I wrote about this on my Substack, if anybody wants to check it out, because some Cornin operation tried to make out that he was doing something differently in the Epstein files than what he was actually doing, which was making a documentary about Jeffrey Epstein.
[00:25:54]  And it's disappointing, it's disgusting that these people sort of turn on the people that gave them a platform in the first place.
[00:26:02]  It's not particularly surprising, after all, this is Washington, D.C.
[00:26:06]  But some of us approach the world with a little bit more than just, you know, where can we make the next 10 grand here or there based on what lobbyist is paying us?
[00:26:15]  Some of us actually have principles.
[00:26:17]  Some of us have been doing this for nigh on 20 years now.
[00:26:20]  And I think the underlying point that I'm trying to make is we better be ready for a whole new fight because as you say, Jack, the establishment, especially the neocon establishment, is roaring back with vengeance.
[00:26:35]  Well, and this, to your point, just poor relief, this is all about 2028, right?
[00:26:40]  We've seen the polymarkets, Rubio, Vance, et cetera.
[00:26:44]  Even though obviously they have a good relationship, there are different power structures competing for this.
[00:26:49]  And that's what this is really all a proxy about.
[00:26:51]  Raheem, tell people where they can go to get the latest from the National Pulse.
[00:26:55]  Yeah, I do want people to check out that substack, by the way.
[00:26:58]  If you haven't read about that story yet, it's very important.
[00:27:00]  Find me on Substack, Raheem Kassam, otherwise Raheem Kassam on social media, thenationalpulse.com.
[00:27:08]  And thank you for having me, Jack.
[00:27:10]  I'll come back in a year.
[00:27:12]  One year until Kassam.
[00:27:14]  I'm going to hold you to that.
[00:27:14]  Right back, Human Events.
[00:27:17]  Jack.
[00:27:18]  Where's Jack?
[00:27:21]  Where is he?
[00:27:22]  Jack, I want to see you.
[00:27:26]  Great job, Jack.
[00:27:27]  Thank you.
[00:27:28]  What a job you do.
[00:27:29]  You know, we have an incredible thing.
[00:27:30]  We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys, and these are the guys should be getting published.
[00:27:39]  All right, folks, Jack Posobic here, Human Events Daily, Real America's Voice, the best network in the country, by the way.
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[00:28:51]  I want to bring in Rich Barris, People's Pundit, who, you know, long-standing guest, long-standing friend of the program.
[00:28:58]  Rich, you know, you were just commenting, I saw your tweet now as well, that you were listening to the conversation that we were having, Raheem Kassam, myself, about how the Paxton-Corin race and really so many of the things that are going on right now, they're about the direction of travel, the direction of travel of the MAGA movement.
[00:29:18]  And this has always been sort of the question, you know, whereas the MAGA, I've always said that in many ways, MAGA operates almost like a third party, just within the Republican Party.
[00:29:30]  And at the same time, and as such, you see these friction points with things like when it comes to foreign war, when it comes to immigration, when it comes to taxes, when it comes to all sorts of different things where MAGA kind of brushes up and butts up against differences in the party structures.
[00:29:52]  And this is exactly what the Corn and Paxton race has devolved into.
[00:29:56]  What is your sense when it comes to that?
[00:29:59]  Yeah, I think the Corn and Paxton race is a proxy for so many of these other fights that we keep seeing, you know, we keep seeing.
[00:30:05]  And what I said on social media, I'm going to repeat here, which is I think the conversation that you just had with Raheem about what happens to MAGA when it gets to DC, Jack, right?
[00:30:15]  It's almost like they didn't really, I mean, it's a movement for sure, but it didn't have the infrastructure in that town.
[00:30:21]  Like, you know, these parties, the establishments have had for years.
[00:30:24]  So there's like never a discussion about, okay, what next.
[00:30:27]  And now I think what happened is that the Republican establishment particularly was really good this time at co-opting parts of MAGA, you know, blending in like chameleons.
[00:30:36]  Whereas during the first Trump administration, they didn't do that.
[00:30:40]  They kept their masks off the entire time.
[00:30:42]  And a huge thing Raheem pointed out, which is a major problem, it's an uncomfortable conversation and we need to have it is the influence of money now in MAGA circles, MAGA influencing circles, MAGA, you know, consulting circles.
[00:30:56]  And I, you know, look, what he said is absolutely true.
[00:30:59]  The bottom line is this.
[00:31:01]  The American public doesn't have a lobby in D.C. MAGA doesn't have a lobby in D.C., right?
[00:31:06]  So when you get there, it turns and like morphs into all of these different things.
[00:31:10]  And unfortunately, it's ended up with Steve Bannon's one of them.
[00:31:14]  But look, I mean, that's why I take my job as a pollster so serious.
[00:31:18]  I do look at this job as being a voice or a lobby for a constituency, which is the constituency, the American voter that doesn't have a voice in DC.
[00:31:27]  That's why I take it so seriously.
[00:31:29]  But what has happened is that when people try to speak up and say, okay, look, wrong direction, let's right this shit.
[00:31:36]  You know, it's been met with what you heard Raheem bring up before.
[00:31:40]  And unfortunately, that's prevented MAGA from staying the course or getting on the right path when they veered off.
[00:31:49]  And the results are now, they're now in, Jack.
[00:31:51]  I mean, this debate is over, brother.
[00:31:53]  This debate is over.
[00:31:54]  I mean, MAGA's got to, they got to recalibrate and settle back in.
[00:31:58]  Registrations are going in the wrong direction.
[00:32:00]  The polling's going in the wrong direction.
[00:32:02]  The identification about who identifies as such is shrinking.
[00:32:06]  I mean, so this, we've not been able to have a good faith, honest conversation.
[00:32:10]  And that's what's led to this.
[00:32:12]  So here we are now, eight and a half, nine months out before game day.
[00:32:16]  And he's right.
[00:32:18]  I mean, I can't believe this is the first time I've heard, you know, sitting in a green room waiting to go on a show.
[00:32:23]  This is the first time I've heard an honest conversation about it.
[00:32:27]  Well, look, you know, it has to be had.
[00:32:29]  And people, you know, without Charlie being around right now, there's so many people who try to say, play this game of, oh, if Charlie were here, he'd be doing this.
[00:32:38]  And if Charlie were here, he'd be doing that.
[00:32:40]  And guys, like, personally, I just don't think that's fair in many cases to be able to say that we know what Charlie would have done.
[00:32:49]  But I do know what Charlie did in the past.
[00:32:50]  And what Charlie would do in the past when we come up with these forks in the road and when we'd have these issues with the coalition, Charlie would do two things.
[00:32:58]  He would say, number one, we have to keep the coalition together because the coalition is what won in 2024.
[00:33:04]  And that's the coalition that's going to continue winning in 26, 28, whatever in the future.
[00:33:09]  And that also, that when you have disagreements, you don't practice cancel culture.
[00:33:15]  You don't act like the woke left and then you hear it out.
[00:33:19]  Charlie was all about holding debates.
[00:33:22]  He was saying, let's have a debate.
[00:33:24]  Let's have good faith, strong debates on whatever the issue is.
[00:33:29]  Whatever the issue might be, let's have it out.
[00:33:32]  And in fact, that's how he lived his life because he would go onto college campuses and debate and say, if you disagree with me, whether you're on the right or on the left, whatever, come right to the front.
[00:33:42]  Let's have that debate.
[00:33:44]  Charlie did not stand for cancel culture.
[00:33:46]  And I certainly don't.
[00:33:47]  That's something that I think that the MAGA right has always stood for, whether it's censorship on social media, censorship in terms of debate, or censorship in terms of these ridiculous words that you hear being brought up again by certain people platforming and amplifying.
[00:34:05]  I mean, that is left-wing thought.
[00:34:08]  That is left-wing thought.
[00:34:10]  I said this.
[00:34:11]  Actually, I've been monologuing and I apologize, but let me just say that.
[00:34:15]  I said this to a reporter once.
[00:34:16]  They said, well, how do you deal with misinformation if you don't have, you know, if you don't have this apparatus for censorship?
[00:34:22]  And I said, you got it all wrong is that we do deal with misinformation on the right.
[00:34:27]  It's just we don't believe in censorship.
[00:34:29]  What we believe is argument.
[00:34:31]  We're going to have an argument.
[00:34:32]  If you say something ridiculous about H-1Bs, like that was the whole, we call it the Christmas war now that took place in Christmas Day 2024.
[00:34:41]  We will have a throwdown over it and a beatdown.
[00:34:43]  And there's going to be memes and there's going to be all sorts of back and forth and facts and statistics and all those, you know, all of those facets are going to come out.
[00:34:53]  And we're going to have that debate and we're going to hash it all out like men.
[00:34:58]  That's how men operate.
[00:34:59]  Women, I'm just sorry, but women believe in this, oh, we have to find consensus and we can't have this, you know, this dissension.
[00:35:08]  And so you shouldn't be platforming and listening to those voices.
[00:35:14]  You know, those are bad.
[00:35:16]  And I'm sorry that that's just not the way men operate.
[00:35:18]  It's really not.
[00:35:19]  All right, I said what I said.
[00:35:21]  They're dangerous.
[00:35:22]  Those are dangerous voices, Jack.
[00:35:23]  I mean, this is dangerous voices.
[00:35:25]  They're dangerous voices.
[00:35:27]  If you think talking like that, using those words is anything like MAGA, then you completely miss the shit.
[00:35:34]  You know, you miss the shit, man.
[00:35:36]  It sailed a long time ago and you missed it.
[00:35:38]  Like, this has always been about pushing back against that mentality.
[00:35:42]  I'm not even sure.
[00:35:43]  As somebody who studies human behavior, that's essentially what you do in my business.
[00:35:48]  I don't think a right-wing brain is wired to use words like that.
[00:35:52]  So when I say this conversation needs to be had, I mean, we really need to dive into it.
[00:35:56]  If you're using words like amplifying, deplatforming, I'm not sure you were ever right-wing to begin with.
[00:36:03]  And I'm no coalition builder like Charlie.
[00:36:05]  That's not my job.
[00:36:06]  My job is to merely look at coalitions and, you know, do the equations that lead to, you know, plus this, plus that.
[00:36:13]  That's the job to get to a winning coalition.
[00:36:15]  I'm not building one.
[00:36:16]  I'm just telling you what fits.
[00:36:18]  How do you get there?
[00:36:19]  But I'll tell you, I just don't see synergy with people who use language like that.
[00:36:24]  And look, it's not for me to say.
[00:36:26]  I'm just telling you, they fundamentally, they're like diametrically opposed worldviews, Jack.
[00:36:30]  Let's just get real.
[00:36:31]  You just said it.
[00:36:32]  If there's something that needs policing, it's being policed in debate.
[00:36:36]  And if you lose the argument because you resort to name calling and you start throwing out issues and isms, right?
[00:36:42]  Now we're labeling this person this and that person that.
[00:36:44]  Glenn Greenwald, who is a liberal, had it right.
[00:36:48]  And it starts to concern you when you see somebody from the left understand in many ways MAGA more than some of the some other people.
[00:36:56]  You know, it used to be if you got called a racist or if you got called a labeled another word by the left, it was the worst thing that could possibly happen to you.
[00:37:04]  Tell me, who's been throwing around labels for the last six months to a year, Jack?
[00:37:08]  Fluid.
[00:37:08]  Like that, that is not the direction.
[00:37:10]  Well, let me put it this way.
[00:37:12]  That's not what won in 24.
[00:37:14]  That entire worldview was rejected in earnest in 2024.
[00:37:18]  And going back that way is the way back to doom.
[00:37:21]  It's the way back to loss.
[00:37:23]  Maybe there are some, the age signal on this is unbelievable.
[00:37:27]  Young voters just don't want to be put, they don't want to be given boundaries, Jack.
[00:37:30]  They don't want to be put in thought boxes or speech boxes.
[00:37:34]  And if you thought our generation was brazen when it came to this, wait until you meet the Gen Zs below us.
[00:37:40]  It's not going to work with them, brother.
[00:37:42]  It's not.
[00:37:43]  So, you know, you're enjoying a short-term victory screaming and yelling at people, but at the end of the day, you're going to lose because of it if it keeps up.
[00:37:50]  No, no, Gen Z is not a believer in censorship.
[00:37:54]  And in fact, if you tell them that someone shouldn't be listened to, it's going to make the, it's a strategy.
[00:37:58]  In effect, they are going to listen to that person even more.
[00:38:01]  Richard Barris back on in just a second, back in a flash, Human Events Daily.
[00:38:09]  Call this the Jack Pesobic Appreciation Hour.
[00:38:11]  I can say confidently, I believe, I think Josh Shapiro would be the vice presidential nominee if it wasn't for Jack Pesobic.
[00:38:17]  And that is, I'll be honest.
[00:38:24]  All right, Jack Pesobic, we are back live here, Human Events Daily.
[00:38:29]  And we didn't do a question of the day today, but maybe we'll do this tomorrow because I think that this is a discussion that needs to be had.
[00:38:36]  And I think that a lot of people are interested in this discussion.
[00:38:38]  I'm certainly interested in this discussion.
[00:38:40]  I've been interested in this discussion for 10 years because I've spent 10 years of my life in this movement, working on this, supporting the president, and day in, day out, whatever it is, whatever the fight of the day is, whatever the struggle is, you know, we stand by the president.
[00:38:57]  We fight for this movement because we believe in this country and believe what MAGA stands for.
[00:39:01]  The hat stays on.
[00:39:02]  MAGA hat stays on.
[00:39:04]  There ain't no question about that.
[00:39:06]  And if this is something where, you know, the MAGA hat's got to stay on for Paxton Cornyn, then it's going to stay on for Paxton Cornyn.
[00:39:12]  All right.
[00:39:13]  The hat stays on.
[00:39:14]  I love my red hat.
[00:39:16]  I'm never getting rid of my red hat.
[00:39:18]  And my children know that.
[00:39:19]  And one day my grandchildren will know that as well.
[00:39:22]  And I'm going to say, hey, I fought the fight, man.
[00:39:24]  I stood with people that were absolute champions that are far better than I.

=== Keeping the MAGA Hat On (08:31) ===

[00:39:28]  I stood with teams like the incredible team at Turning Point USA at the events team there, everything that they do, the halftime show, the memorial, the events, just incredible things that they're able to do at a moment's notice because they're the best in the entire world.
[00:39:42]  They are the best team in the entire world at Turning Point events.
[00:39:46]  And, you know, so Rich, you know, kind of to bring this back in, that's why all of these things were built because so many people, right?
[00:39:57]  And as, you know, talking about just Turning Point as sort of a, you know, a focal point here, Charlie was able to do that because people wanted to get behind that program of saving the country.
[00:40:10]  That's what it came down to.
[00:40:12]  Yeah, and then nowhere else to go.
[00:40:14]  I think the first time you were talking about how great the team is at Turning Point, and I remember the first time I went to a turning point event and Charlie's invited me, that'll be the first thing that you'll be hit with.
[00:40:26]  Like, wow, these guys know how to put it on.
[00:40:30]  And then the second thing is how different it is, and we don't have to mention them, but how different it is from some others that, you know, that just really didn't capture the scope of the, you know, the population that wanted to hear a message like that, right?
[00:40:45]  I think that's what it comes down to.
[00:40:46]  And this happens in politics, not just the right or the left.
[00:40:49]  It's just that certain organizations are much better or geared towards certain groups or certain target audiences, whereas Turning Point always just had this other energy.
[00:40:57]  And by the way, just let me tell you, I don't think guys like us are built to like give in or ever put it down, right?
[00:41:02]  But they just requires us to run the race, brother.
[00:41:04]  He doesn't require us to win.
[00:41:06]  It's just that sometimes we got to remind ourselves that, you know, because of how we're built.
[00:41:11]  But, you know, at the end of the day, you want to be able to say you kept the faith, you ran the race.
[00:41:17]  And that's what it's all about.
[00:41:18]  You know, I mean, I'm more than happy to leave it all on the field, right?
[00:41:23]  And at the end of the day, that's what it's all about.
[00:41:25]  People like Scott Presser, he leaves it all on the field.
[00:41:27]  Charlie literally left it all on the field, right?
[00:41:30]  You know, he went, he went above and beyond.
[00:41:32]  And when it, when it comes down to, to this, and, you know, and I don't mean to keep bringing up Charlie because it is about Charlie, though, right?
[00:41:41]  That's a huge part of it is, is, you know, people trying to co-opt his legacy and try to put words in his mouth.
[00:41:48]  You know, how would Charlie have played this?
[00:41:51]  Like, we don't know, right?
[00:41:52]  We just, we, we don't know, but we know what he stood for.
[00:41:54]  We knew what he was about, and that's what we know, okay?
[00:41:57]  And it's, it's as simple as that.
[00:41:58]  And I'm not going to sit here and act like, you know, like, oh, only this person's allowed to say certain things.
[00:42:04]  Like, that's just ridiculous.
[00:42:06]  And Charlie didn't stand for cancel culture.
[00:42:08]  And I'm just going to leave it at that.
[00:42:09]  But when you do see this, you know, Rich, this has been the biggest thing because I mentioned before, and I'll zip back to this now, that it was all about, and Charlie was all about keeping the coalition together.
[00:42:22]  And Rich, that's what you've been focused on.
[00:42:25]  You've talked about how these numbers with Hispanics have been dipping, the numbers with independents.
[00:42:30]  And that's what you've been ringing the alarm bell on is the fracturing of the coalition of 2024.
[00:42:36]  And people try to, I think, frame this disingenuously when they'll say, well, MAGA still supports Trump.
[00:42:42]  Of course, MAGA supports Trump.
[00:42:43]  We're never going to stop supporting Trump.
[00:42:44]  The point is, though, is that there were all these extra pieces that were brought on in 24.
[00:42:49]  And that's where that's where these soft points are.
[00:42:53]  All the winning parts.
[00:42:54]  That's what I keep referring to them as.
[00:42:56]  All the winning parts.
[00:42:57]  This is the no props.
[00:43:00]  This is how you get from losing by four and a half points.
[00:43:03]  You know, shenanigans aside, guys.
[00:43:06]  This is how you get from losing the popular vote even by two and a half points, like in 2016, to winning it by about a point and a half.
[00:43:14]  All of the winning parts, Hispanics, black men under the age of 50, right?
[00:43:19]  We can go down this litany of this.
[00:43:21]  Even by the way, women who are 18 to 29 who came out and voted for Trump.
[00:43:25]  Trump didn't only convince more educated women because he did better with them.
[00:43:30]  He didn't just convince some of them that voted for Biden in 2020 to come back over to his side.
[00:43:35]  That's not what happened.
[00:43:35]  happened.
[00:43:36]  The largest share of why he did better with that group is because he got them out when they don't vote.
[00:43:41]  You know, these are not 18 year old women.
[00:43:44]  It could have been a 45 year old woman who said, you know what?
[00:43:46]  For Maha, I'm doing it.
[00:43:48]  For this, whatever their issue may have been.
[00:43:51]  But it was this.
[00:43:52]  And I think this is where people have misinterpreted what I've been doing for the last year.
[00:43:56]  I knew this was going to happen.
[00:43:57]  All right.
[00:43:58]  I mean, I'm just going to call it.
[00:43:59]  I'm not up here saying I told you so because it gives me a thrill or something down my leg.
[00:44:03]  I knew it was going to happen.
[00:44:05]  I tried to warn people as best I could.
[00:44:08]  Some people just didn't want to hear it, Jack.
[00:44:10]  But now we are here where we are.
[00:44:12]  Look, just earlier in the week, another, you know, another handful, we can put it in the data set of races where Republicans underperformed.
[00:44:19]  The only thing building up or the only thing that did build up more than their losses since the special election season kicked off was their excuses for these losses.
[00:44:30]  The excuses have been right, the reasons have been right in front of us the entire time.
[00:44:35]  They wanted us to pivot back to a domestic policy focus.
[00:44:40]  And when you don't, and more than that, when everything is screaming at you not to do it, and you have people who are just like, ah, you know, sit down, shut up.
[00:44:49]  You're not going to hold that part of the coalition.
[00:44:51]  The most really, I hate using the word vulnerable, but they were the newest parts of MAGA.
[00:44:56]  They were the new MAGA.
[00:44:57]  They most agreed with OG MAGA, you know, the original concept of it.
[00:45:03]  They most agreed with that, plus the addition of MAHA.
[00:45:06]  And that's what they wanted to pursue.
[00:45:09]  So it wasn't just a little thing last year to get derailed into, you know, striking Iran's nuclear facilities.
[00:45:16]  It was a major red flag to them.
[00:45:18]  These people have like, I know, I can hear, so funny, I hear somebody go on Piers Morgan who constantly criticizes me.
[00:45:24]  He goes on Piers Morgan and takes something I said to the vice president sitting in the West Wing right out of my mouth.
[00:45:29]  Like he came up with it as an original thought himself.
[00:45:32]  They have PTSD towards this stuff.
[00:45:35]  And they gave this ticket a chance because they believed in their domestic focus, their domestic vision for the country.
[00:45:42]  And it was like, you know, causing them to twitch all over again.
[00:45:46]  And then let's face it, their suspicions, their fears were justified.
[00:45:51]  And I know a lot of that has to do with the Republican Congress and the Republican Senate.
[00:45:56]  All the more reason to, you know, for MAGA to eventually try to like this Corning Paxton race.
[00:46:01]  And I'm just going to, you know, to take a look at it.
[00:46:03]  And let me take it back to the start here.
[00:46:06]  That's why when I've got a U.S. senator who's worried about some social media stuff, it's like, dude, where is the Save Act?
[00:46:14]  Where is the Save America Act?
[00:46:16]  This act and supporting for it and fighting for it.
[00:46:19]  This is exactly why we give you want to go be a podcaster, go be an influencer, please, by all means.
[00:46:24]  It is a free country.
[00:46:25]  Go ahead and do so.
[00:46:27]  But if you're going to be a U.S. Senator, then guess what?
[00:46:30]  Fight for the agenda of the American people in the U.S. Senate.
[00:46:33]  Fight for the Save America Act.
[00:46:35]  President Trump has said all work stops until the Save America Act is passed.
[00:46:41]  He said that to every single senator.
[00:46:43]  He said, no legislation until the Save America Act is passed.
[00:46:47]  So where is it?
[00:46:48]  Could you at least tweet about it?
[00:46:50]  If you're going to focus on social media so much and we just don't see it, we got to tweet about this thing and that thing and the other thing and not what Donald J. Trump, the president of the United States, has called for.
[00:46:59]  80% support, Jack.
[00:47:01]  They can't get something like that through.
[00:47:03]  Could you imagine Democrats trying to tell their constituency if they had something big that meant a lot to their base, that they had 80% support across the country for it?
[00:47:12]  Could you imagine Democrats failing to pass that?
[00:47:14]  No way.
[00:47:15]  It wouldn't happen.
[00:47:16]  They could have a one-seat majority and they would get it through.
[00:47:19]  And that's more than that.
[00:47:20]  I mean, there's been some on the Maha front.
[00:47:23]  I mean, you could go down as rock stars if you remove the protections for vaccine manufacturers over vaccine injuries.
[00:47:31]  You would guys would go down as legends if you would do something like that.
[00:47:35]  It would be a shot, you know, right to the arm of MAGA again.
[00:47:38]  Everyone could be fired up.
[00:47:39]  That's the good thing about politics.
[00:47:41]  You know, eight months, nine months, it's forever, but you got to do something soon.
[00:47:45]  Got to do it soon.
[00:47:46]  It's as simple as that.
[00:47:47]  Go, folks, Rich Barris, go follow him.
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