The Epstein EU Link, BORTAC Joins Guthrie Search & the Historic TPUSA All American Halftime Show
The Epstein EU Link reveals Jeffrey Epstein’s shadowy role as a "financial fixer" for global elites, including coaching Israeli military leaders and CIA-linked figures like Reid Hoffman, while new files expose ties to fake narratives—like the "Russian bots" smear—used to manipulate elections. Epstein’s FOIA requests, denied by the CIA, and MIT Media Lab’s concealed Epstein funding fuel claims of a transatlantic censorship-industrial complex, rooted in post-2014 Maidan events and amplified by EU-backed raids on X (Twitter). Meanwhile, the Guthrie disappearance’s sixth day sees FBI deadlines pass, Sheriff Lamb deploying BORTAC for desert tracking, and skepticism over ransom note scripts, suggesting deeper systemic distrust. The episode ties these threads to a broader conservative push against elite corruption and media bias during pivotal moments like TPUSA’s Super Bowl halftime show. [Automatically generated summary]
I wanted to let you know that we're starting a new push for subscriptions here on Human Events Daily.
So make sure that when you're listening to this podcast, you hit subscribe, you download it, and you share it with five of your friends.
Make sure they're all going and downloading as well because we need to get the signal out as much as possible.
Look, we've done so much over the past couple of years since this show started, and we're only going to do so much more.
Let's get it.
This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth-generation warfare.
A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.
This is Human Events with your host, Jack Pisovic.
Christ is King.
We have breaking news out of Cuba, where the president there just announced that while he's open to peace talks with the United States, his government also is not ruling out the possibility of entering a quote state of war.
U.S. President Donald Trump on Thursday rejected an offer from Russian President Vladimir Putin to voluntarily extend the new START Nuclear Arms Control Treaty.
The agreement, which caps the number of deployed strategic warheads at 1,550 on each side, was signed in 2010 and expired Thursday.
New information emerging in the case of Nancy Guthrie's disappearance as the desperate search now enters day six.
Law enforcement is racing against the clock with the FBI confirming the first deadline from an alleged ransom note has expired and the next deadline set for Monday.
Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates is now expressing regret for his association with Jeffrey Epstein.
You know, in retrospect, that was a dead end, and I was foolish to spend time with him.
I was one of many people who regret ever knowing him.
We begin tonight with a major change in immigration enforcement in Oregon.
A federal judge has ordered a temporary stop to all warrantless immigration arrests.
That change is the latest in a series of legal actions that could limit the power of federal agents conducting immigration raids.
Portland police served an arrest warrant on a man who threatened two security officers at a nearby Safeway on January 31st.
He told them he was a part of the United States Secret Service.
A suspect had approached the security officers at the Safeway, produced a handgun, and pulled the trigger.
That gun didn't fire, and the suspect got away, but left behind a case with a loaded shotgun that contained shells with threats that mentioned President Donald Trump.
According to PPE, I don't want to give any spoilers.
It's going to be fun and it's going to be easy.
And people only have to worry about dance.
I know that I told him that they had four months to learn Spanish.
They don't even have to learn Spanish.
They just better if they learn to dance.
But I think there's no better dance than the one that comes from the heart.
You know, the heartbeat dance.
That's the only thing that they need to worry about and have fun and enjoy it.
On your second question, I think everybody in one of listen, Bad Benny was, and I think that was demonstrated last night.
One of the great artists in the world.
And that's one of the reasons we chose him.
But the other reason is he understood the platform he was on and that this platform is used to unite people and to be able to bring people together with their creativity, with their talents, and to be able to use this moment to do that.
And I think artists in the past have done that.
I think Bad Bunny understands that and I think he'll have a great performance.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily.
We're here live February 6th, 2026, Anno Domini.
And folks, what can I say?
We are now just days away from the Turning Point USA All-American halftime show.
And I've got a lot of response on this.
People say, how do you watch it?
How are we doing it?
Park it right here.
Real America's Voice.
But to you in the Real America's Voice audience, you need to be the change agent.
You need to go out and be the force multiplier for this cultural event.
This is going to be a cultural turning point this Sunday.
When you go out there and you go to whatever party you're at, you got to go out, be the force multiplier.
Remember when we did the ballots?
Remember, we were getting the ballots and we were saying, do you get your ballot in?
You get your ballot in, ballot chasing, ballot chasing.
Same idea.
You need to be that persistent force.
If you're at your party, if you're in the group chat, you go to the normies in your life and you say, this is where you go to Real America's Voice.
This is how you get it up, whether you're on streaming, whether it's on Smart TV.
You download it.
So Amazon, Samsung, all of it.
We're now up on the Amazon Prime, by the way, Roku.
You can get it up there as well.
So make sure it's all set up.
Do it even before the game starts.
So make sure you do it even before the game starts.
So you'll be ready to go.
It's really simple, but it's really, really important to take the steps.
This is your mission, Patriots.
You need to go out there and tell people.
Are you going to be one of the millions upon millions of Americans who proudly and boldly send the message to listen to these guys?
Goodell, Bad Bunny.
Oh, you can do the dance if you don't understand the words.
Ridiculous, utterly ridiculous.
We're not going to take this anymore.
We are the American people, and the American people are going to step up and be heard.
Our voices will be heard.
And we will vote.
We will vote with our remote controls this weekend because what we're going to do is turn that off.
We're going to make the switch, turn it off, change the channel.
Watch the game, whatever.
Do whatever you want.
But when halftime show comes around, turn the big game off and turn on American patriotism.
People are going to be talking about this for years.
This is going to be the start of a new change in America and a new change in how we run these halftime shows.
And we all know, we all know this is one of the high days of American civic culture, right?
But I'll tell you something right now.
It's time to make the shift.
And that guy, Goodell, he wants to double down on Bad Bunny.
He wants to double down on all the insanity that's come forward.
You know what I say?
I say bring it because the people of this country, the people of America, the millions who voted for Donald Trump, the millions of people, folks who just like country music, folks who just don't want to be disrespected by the likes of Stephen Colbert and others, bring it on.
Bring it on.
You want to find us?
We'll be at the TPUSA halftime show this weekend.
We'll be right there.
Nothing will stand in our way.
And our golden age has just begun.
This is Human Events with Jack Pesovic.
Now it's time for everyone to understand what America First truly means.
Welcome to the second American Revolution.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back.
Human Events Daily.
We're here live, Real America's Voice.
Of course, everyone getting ready for the big halftime show, All-American Halftime Show, Kid Rock headlining this Sunday.
So make sure you watch right here on RAV.
Use your RAV app, your RAV channel, whichever one it is.
You go, you check that out.
Boom, it's right there.
Tell everybody you can get it live on RAV.
Folks, every single workout, every injury or surgery creates microscopic, good, and bad damage inside the body.
Muscle inflammation and tissue breakdown can peak within 72 hours after physical stress, which is why recovery matters just as much as training.
Meet Regenerate from the Wellness Company, your new recovery resource.
Regenerate is the first ever oral triple peptide recovery drop designated, designed for full body healing without injections.
It works by supporting the body's natural repair process through a proprietary Aquazome peptide delivery system.
Now, at the core is BPC 157, a body protective peptide known for supporting gut lining integrity while helping tendons, ligaments, soft tissue recover faster.
Alongside it is KPV, a powerful anti-inflammatory tripeptide that can help calm excessive inflammation, restore your immune balance, and enhance the regenerative effects of BPC.
Lastly, you get the TB500 added to your stack.
It supports flexibility, endurance, and tissue repair by promoting healthy blood flow and cellular repair.
No needles, no mess, just clean liquid drops powered by AquaZone.
This is the delivery system for superior absorption.
If you're ready to recover smarter, here's how you do it.
TWC.health slash POSO and use promo code POSO to get 10% off plus free shipping.
Again, Regenerate, backed by science, built for recovery.
Really excited now.
Favors in the Industrial Complex00:15:56
We've been trying to track them down all week, folks.
And we promised you this.
We've got Mike Benz back on the program.
What's up, Mike?
How you doing, Jack?
Good to see you.
Well, I know you've been burning the candle at both ends, going through the Epstein files and also seeing what the Epstein network is up to this week or these days, I should say.
And, you know, since we've seen this, you know, I was kind of saying like, oh, Epstein Drop 2 finally came.
Phase 2 finally came.
One of the rare instances where the sequel is better than the original.
As believe me, I well know.
And I saw your tweet about this where you were just saying, wow, they absolutely delivered.
What top lines did you find in this?
And present to us your theory of the case regarding, and I know we've talked about on here before, the fact that, yes, everybody looks at the underage girls.
Of course, criminal, disgusting, but many people overlook the money aspect and that that was his real ability and capability that he provided to the elites.
Yes, in terms of the kind of biggest bombshells that I've seen so far, I mean, there's kind of like a top 200 list, but I mean, starting just whatever randomly comes to my head, I would say that the three-hour secret audio tape in which Jeffrey Epstein secretly records the head of the Israeli military while he is still the head of the Israeli military, but looking to quit and join the private sector.
And Jeffrey Epstein coaches him on how to make millions of dollars on board seats and in a kind of VC venture capital type role by leveraging what he calls IOUs.
People create a Rolodex of people who owe you favors.
They owe you a job.
They owe you their life.
They owe you something.
Now is the time to cash in those favors.
And so this is, you know, if you've ever read the 1987 Tom Wolf book, Bonfire of the Vandies, there's a chapter called the Favor Bank, which explains how the New York City criminal justice system works.
Not that people are prosecuted or not prosecuted on the basis of whether they broke or didn't break a law, but rather on the basis of whether that prosecution puts a favor in the favor bank to somebody on the inside or somebody on the outside.
And that is, I see that favor bank system everywhere in Washington, D.C.
I saw it at the State Department.
The careers have to decide whether to do a favor to their boss, the political appointee, or to a outside think tank like the Carnegie Endowment or the Atlantic Council or the Brookings Institution or the Open Society Foundation.
And if the fixer, you know, someone who says, hey, you know, they see you at an event, they invite you to a party, they have a conversation.
So you're at the State Department.
Oh, you're in the Europe and Eurasia desk.
Oh, that's interesting.
Well, you know, we're working on a policy paper about trying to restructure the energy market in Europe.
And it would be great if you could, you know, give this a little push from the inside.
And if that's not what government policy is, or that's not what the top-down directive is, there's a choice about whether to put a favor in the favor bank for an outside fixer or whether to do the right thing, what's best for the United States.
And so the presence of the Jeffrey Epstein archetype as a kind of financial fixer on the outside that people do favors for so that favors will be returned is something that basically corrupts the entire ability for us to have a government that serves our own people.
And by the way, of course, that bonfire of the vanities, it's so funny you mentioned that because we've talked about this on this program before in terms of the fact that, you know, in that case, it's a bond trader who gets, you know, basically unfairly accused of murder, and then the system completely turns against him.
And I remember a couple of years back, I said, well, in that case, it was a real estate or a New York bond trader, but what if we say it was a New York real estate developer that the system were to turn against and to make up crimes against and claim that he was racist and all of this other stuff?
Well, it's basically what Donald Trump has been living through this entire time with the favor bank turning against him, a system that he, and in many ways, you see the parallels here where he was kind of like in this network, he was in this system, but then he turned against the system and the system turned against him.
Right.
That's exactly right.
But I think it's important to understand this context that there is this sticky, just like in the censorship industrial complex, one of the difficult things to explain at first, but I think now the public has a pretty baseline understanding of this, is that there's this layer between the intelligence world and the non-intelligence world.
It's kind of the para-intelligence world.
And it's the same thing, like there's a government institution and there's a private sector private business, but there's a sticky layer in between called public-private partnerships.
And so, for example, if the Harvard Institute for International Development is getting $400 million from USAID to covertly, or even a better example,
if USAID is giving $40 million to a Save the Children NGO in Pakistan, but the Central Intelligence Agency has tasked USAID to have Save the Children collect people's biometric identification markers in a fake vaccine program.
Well, that fake vaccine program is no longer just like a run by an NGO, a purely non-private thing.
It is a it exists in that para-intelligence layer.
And Epstein sits at that nexus between government and non-government, government and business, between intelligence and that sort of sticky, gooey layer, between countries and whether that's U.S., Israel, Saudi Arabia, UK, France.
And so you kind of have this, through these files, we're able to actually verify what was before this highly educated, informed speculation based on overwhelming circumstantial evidence.
Now you have the hard direct evidence.
And it's a very exciting period.
I would be remiss if I did not once again call for someone in Congress, whether that be Thomas Massey or Roe Khanna, who sponsored this, to simply dupe out the JFK Records Collection Act and swap out John F. Kennedy for Jeffrey Epstein so that we can get the classified layer of this.
I believe that there is that the CIA would not have been doing its job, for example, if it had not at the very least been keeping tabs on Jeffrey Epstein, given all of him handling money for sensitive CIA assets and agents, the fact that he was working with all these foreign governments while he was involved in highly geopolitical sensitive regions and activities over 40 years.
And the fact that, as we found out in these incredible files, it turns out Jeffrey Epstein himself FOIA the CIA twice in 1999 and in 2011 to see what documents the CIA had on him.
The CIA came back both times and said, we have no open and acknowledged agency affiliations.
As for any classified documents you requested, we can neither confirm nor deny the existence or non-existence of such files.
Well, this would be a great moment.
I don't think anyone in Congress, that bill passed 427 to 1 in the House and 99 to 0 in the Senate.
I don't think anyone in Congress would want to be on the other side voting against that declassification, mandatory, independent review board.
I think it's time to pull back the mask and show the true face of this thing.
It's time to dig it.
It's time to dig it all up.
And Benz, to your point about CIA, before we cut to this break, whenever they might need a favor from the favor bank, well, they just reach out to Jeff, reach out to good old Jeff and say, Jeff, can you take care of something for us while we look the other way about certain other activities?
Because you're so useful for us when we need to move money around, when we need to move personnel around, whatever it is.
Hey, can you fly this on one of your planes?
You know, there'd never be, that wouldn't be on a passenger manifest.
So you just look at the connections.
And to the people who say there's nothing in Epstein, I would say you guys obviously haven't looked at the files.
Be right back, Jack Pesovic, by Benz, Human Events Daily.
Today, you know, you talk about influencers.
These are influencers and they're friends of mine.
Jack Posobiec, where's Jack?
Jack.
He's got a great job.
All right, folks, here we go.
Jack Basilvik, we're back, Human Events Daily.
Every day, Americans make choices that shape our country's future, right down to which cell phone provider we support.
Here's what most people don't realize.
Patriot Mobile isn't just a wireless provider.
They're an activist organization funded by selling top-tier cell phone service.
They've been on the front lines defending our freedoms long before it was cool, standing in the gap when others wouldn't.
The best part is they deliver prioritized premium service on all three major U.S. networks, giving you the same or even better coverage backed by 100% U.S.-based customer support.
Get unlimited data plans, mobile hotspots, international roaming, and so much more.
When you switch over to Patriot Mobile, you'll help grow a movement that fuels the Christian conservative cause.
Every bill helps you pay and advance the values of faith, family, and freedom.
Switching is easier than ever.
Activate in minutes.
Keep your number, keep your phone, or upgrade.
Take a stand today.
Go to patriotmobile.com slash posto or call 972 Patriot and use promo code posto for a free month of service.
That's patriotmobile.com slash posto or give them a call, 972 Patriot.
Make the switch today.
Okay, Mike Benz, I want to get you back on here because we also were talking about, so you're digging through the Epstein files, but we're also getting the contours of the Epstein network.
You put out a video late last night, early this morning, you know, it's been making the rounds going hyper-viral regarding JD Vance, the EU 2028 censorship.
And you claim that this is tied to elements of the Epstein network.
What's going on?
Well, what I mean by that, I mean, there is a funny direct tie.
Even just yesterday, the government of France raided the offices of X to get their internal data claiming X was non-compliant with their new censorship law.
So they literally had their Ministry of Justice sick their feds to raid as if it was James O'Keefe's house the corporate offices of a major U.S. company, X, just for its data that to force it to compel censorship of speech.
But when it did so, France justified it by its EU censorship law that it's enforcing with a crowbar is a, they cited a fake news study by MIT Media Lab.
And it turns out MIT Media Lab was engorged in a massive scandal when it turned out that they had secretly concealed millions of dollars in funding from Jeffrey Epstein.
And Jeffrey Epstein also brought in as a bundle of money into the MIT Media Lab.
Reid Hoffman, who was the one who funded the fake Egene Carroll case and funded the fake Russian bots, the unbelievable new knowledge scandal from 2017, when the private mercenary firm that wrote the Senate intelligence report on Russian bots was caught by Facebook creating fake Russian bots and mass subscribing them to the Republican Roy Moore's candidacy.
In fact, New Knowledge funded by Reid Hoffman would say that in their donor report, quote, we elaborated, we orchestrated an elaborate false flag operation to give the public impression that Roy Moore was being backed by the Russians.
And then they describe how after they created these fake Russian bots, they told the media that they had discovered fake Russian bots as a digital forensics firm.
So this is who France is citing to justify its censorship activities, a fake news study funded by someone brought in by Jeffrey Epstein, whose whole professional career is funding fake operations.
So irony there.
But another thing is the censorship industrial complex at its heart is a transatlantic thing.
It was from the moment it was born.
The censorship industrial complex was not born in the United States after Trump won the 2016 election.
It was born under NATO and the EU after the 2014 Crimea coup that we, the Crimea, I'm sorry, the Maidan coup that gave rise to the Eastern Ukraine breakaway and the Crimea referendum for it to join the Russian Federation.
That was when NATO, the U.S., and the EU began setting up what at the time was its nascent censorship industrial complex by switching NATO's charter to focus on so-called hybrid threats.
That is, it went from tanks to tweets.
First, setting up the censorship infrastructure through the Atlanta Council, which is funded not just by the U.S. government, the State Department, the War Department, USAID, the National Down for Democracy, but also by the British government, the Norwegian government, the French government, the Spanish government, as well as major oil companies and military industrial complex actors.
But then when Brexit happened, the censorship industrial complex moved west to Western Europe.
They blamed Brexit on Russian infiltration of social media, et cetera.
And then to the U.S. when Trump won in November 2016.
And then as right-wing populist parties like the Vox Party in Spain, Marine Le Pen's party in France, the AFD party in Germany started to rise in polling and sometimes to power, as it did, for example, in Italy.
The U.S. EU, the transatlantic censorship industrial complex began to radically escalate.
Public Sense vs. Information Flow00:16:37
And it feared that it did not have the leverage on its own, countries on their own, to be able to be a crowbar to Google, one of the biggest companies in the world, Facebook, one of the biggest companies in the world, and Twitter.
And so they got together at these transatlantic, you know, it was basically out-of-power Democrats with never Trump Republicans, with their EU Eurocrats and their NATO bot, you know, blobsters all got together in rooms.
I, you know, have this all on tape.
I've played hundreds of hours of video of this over the years.
And between 2017 and 2018, said we need to create the leverage to be able to enforce censorship as a matter of rule of law, because we're not able to change the social norms around this fast enough.
So what happened was, is the U.S. government agencies, and mostly these are intelligence, if not at best, intelligence adjacent.
It's so clear the Nexus is.
It's so clear the way these same patronage networks, and that's what it is, are still operating today.
Mike Benz, that's all the time we have.
We got to hop over here.
Where can people go to volume?
Find me on X, on YouTube, Instagram.
It's all Mike Ben Cyber.
Mike Ben Cyber, God bless, man, and God bless you.
Hope you'll be watching the halftime show this weekend, Benz.
You're going to like it.
You're going to like what we put together for TMP TPOSA.
Yes, sir.
Jack.
Where's Jack?
Where is he?
Jack, I want to see you.
Great job, Jack.
Thank you.
What a job you do.
You know, we have an incredible thing.
We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys, and these are the guys that be getting published.
All right, Jack Soak, back live here, Human Events Daily, folks.
Got to tell you something straight up.
You guys know that I'm the kind of guy that's picky about, you know, what I put in my body, what kind of companies that I support.
Blackout Coffee checks every single box, a family-run American company.
They roast fresh coffee right here in the USA, and they believe in hard work, freedom, and this country.
2026, huge year, 250th anniversary of the US of A. Blackout Coffee is celebrating with new roasts, limited editions, and very exciting releases coming.
Look, I drink blackout coffee every day.
I'm a mug right here.
Morning shows, late shows, travel.
It is smooth, strong.
It's always fresh.
Make the switch.
There's no going back.
They've got something for everybody.
Morning Reaper, you're going to love it.
Best selling.
It's smooth.
It's never bitter.
Brutal awakening, bold, dark, actually wakes you up.
For 2026, you got to try the 1776 Dark Roast, rich, unapologetic, made to honor America's founding and also the 2A medium roast, which is smooth.
It's balanced and it's named after the Second Amendment.
Your coffee shows up fresh on schedule, never runs out.
They got an instant coffee as well.
We're not talking some weak gas station powder, real blackout coffee in a packet, no machine, no mess.
Add water stir.
You're ready to roll.
Work, travel, keep it in your bag, keep it in your desk, put it in your go bag.
Blackoutcoffee.com slash pozo.
Use promo code posto for 20% off your first order.
That's blackoutcoffee.com slash pozo.
Support these American jobs and celebrate 250 years of freedom.
All right, folks, very excited that we have now on the program.
Of course, we've all been talking, the entire country is talking and on edge about this situation down in Arizona, sort of north of Tucson in the area of Pima County, where the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie, the mother of Savannah Guthrie, has taken place.
I want to bring on some we've had on the program before.
He is the former sheriff of Pinal County, which is just north of there, Sheriff Mark Lamb, who has run before.
He's running for Congress right now.
He joins us here, Human Events Daily.
Sheriff, how are you?
Great, Jack.
Thanks for having me on.
Appreciate it.
Well, thank you.
And I just got to get your sense.
You know, have you ever seen something like this take place in the state of Arizona?
I'm certainly on your watch.
You know, what's your sense of the case as it's unfolded?
Well, look, this is a very high-profile case because of whose mom she is.
And there's a lot of cases like this happen.
And oftentimes the people don't have the name recognition and those cases go unknown to the community.
We had one similar when I first became sheriff.
Turned out to be a catfish thing.
He disappeared.
Same type of thing, blood around a car.
We worked that case.
It took us four days to actually find the body.
Unfortunately, by the time we found him, he was dead.
And we ultimately tracked down the guy using social media, phone pings, and we got our suspect.
And he is now facing life in prison plus 30 years or something.
So I've seen it firsthand and we've been involved in some of these other cases, but this is a really high profile case.
And Jack, just one more thing, not to take away from this case and what's going on for the Guthrie family.
But we also have some really big news that has dropped.
And it's kind of frustrating because there's a lot of stuff dropping right now with the Epstein stuff.
And yet this is kind of dominating the news.
And so I'm hoping that at some point we get some attention back to some of these people in the country have done some really, really nasty things and might be involved in that.
So anyway, but I know we're talking about Guthrie today.
Right.
And certainly, you know, there's been no shortage of violence, no shortage of trouble coming across.
I mean, you're talking just a couple, about an hour north of the border.
People know, I've talked about before that I used to be.
Uh, ran through Fortuca a couple of times down to Vista area for training, and so i'm i'm familiar with this area obviously uh, the Turning Point, headquarters being there in Phoenix.
So i've, you know, been to been to this area quite a few times and and the the spot where she's at, you know, or the house is at, you know, people have to realize that this is, this is kind of on the outskirts.
This is not the center of town, this is a a more, you know, more specific area.
This isn't something where you're just sort of driving down the street and you see a house.
I mean, you can even see in some of the videos where, where it's like this sheriff, you know, in a situation like this, there's a lot of questions have come up.
People say, could this be you?
There's ransom notes, there's uh, hoax ransom notes coming in uh, some that seem to be taking seriously.
But then other people are also saying, what about members of the family in a law enforcement situation?
How do you, you know, how do you parse that out when it seems like there's so much incoming all at once?
Yeah, there is a lot of incoming and, plus the national attention, there's just social media, the national media.
Everything is popping off with this.
You know, what we have to do when we take a case like this is we have to remove the feelings of it.
I mean, obviously we feel for the family in that sense, but we also have to.
We can't let it cloud our judgment or cloud the evidence and honestly, in these cases, 90 or more I don't know what the exact number, I know it's over 90 end up being somebody that's familiar to the person, or even sometimes family, and so what you're going to look for is you're going to look for who had the means, who had the opportunity and also who had the motive, and the family oftentimes falls within those three the most.
Um, I think that you start there.
You have to cast a wide net because you don't want to lose her either.
You want to be able to catch anybody that might be trying to get out of town.
So you cast a wide net but honestly, you're going to really focus in and hone in until you can clear them.
You've got to look at the people that had the means and the opportunity and and unfortunately, that falls to the family most often.
So yeah, that's how we would treat that case.
Our job is to find them and find the crime and find the criminals, the suspects, the victim and uh, we have to stay focused on what the evidence and where it leads.
What it is and where it leads well, there's no question about that.
I'm sure you must have seen these, this dramatic exchange, the purported ransom notes.
They're going to TMZ and some local media.
You've seen members of the, the family, the children, responding to the ransom notes.
When you get something like that, how do you really vet whether something like that is is real?
You know, obviously you have to be skeptical, but what do you do in in terms of one of those situations?
Well, what you're going to vet is whether they have information that is not privy to anybody else.
I think there was some information in one of those notes.
One of them, I think they arrested somebody on, and I don't know why they're sending them to TMZ or the media.
That doesn't make sense, but they're sending them to there.
One of them was enough, I think, that they actually had a response to.
Now, if you look at their responses, I know people hear the message from the family, and it is hardfelt.
And the FBI and law enforcement doesn't tell you what to say.
But when I hear those messages, if you go back and listen to them, now that I told you this, both the sun and Savannah, the way they say there's very key information in there, and it follows a script that the FBI or we in law enforcement will give to a family missing somebody.
A, you want to establish contact.
Hey, please, we're ready to reach out.
We're ready to talk.
B, you ask for something.
And in this case, you're going to ask for proof of life.
What we need to see that she's alive.
You even go, part of it is making sure that they're not sending you some fake photo, which Savannah hit on.
And the third thing you do is you humanize the victim.
This is our mom.
We love her.
We want her back.
She has medical issues.
Those are all following a very specific way to deal with abductors and people that have been abducted.
And so while the rest of the country saw it as, hey, this is those messages, if you go back, they're very consistent in what they're saying.
And they're hitting these very key pieces for a script when we're dealing with an abduction or a kidnapping.
Well, that's exactly right.
And some of the military training I had, talking about hostage taking, abduction situations, it hits on all the same.
The idea of humanization, make sure that there's someone there, that it's a situation like that.
I do have to ask, though, you being a former sheriff from the area, what is your sense of the communication that the public has gotten versus what seems to be a lot of information that kind of goes back and forth?
One day there's one thing and then suddenly it gets contradicted the next day.
What's your sense of that?
You have to give confident and clear information.
Give as much as you can without jeopardizing the case.
I don't think that was accomplished initially and it's created a real quagmire on the information level.
And still to this time, they're still messaging, well, we don't know or really don't have any clue who it is.
That doesn't give confidence to the family.
That doesn't give confidence to the public.
And what it does is it actually fuels more disconcerting information or confusing information.
Oftentimes, even if you don't really have a strong, strong suspect, you will tell people that you do because it makes the person who may be the abductor, they now all of a sudden start to make mistakes.
And so you're trying to either force them to make mistakes, maybe they move the person.
And this is the type of information we would be giving.
But really, the leadership should be delivering very confident, very clear.
Give as much information as you can to the community, and then withhold key information that's going to help you on your investigation.
Sheriff Lamb, this is phenomenal information.
One of the biggest stories really in the country right now.
We're up on a hard break.
I want to hold you over because this is something we're getting comments flooding in right now with the response to the stuff that you're putting out.
So hold it right there.
Jack Posobiec, Sheriff Mark Lamb here on Human Events.
Dale, be right back.
Great guy.
He's written a fantastic book.
Everybody's talking about it.
Go get it.
And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event.
And we're going to turn it around and make our best biggest.
Amen.
All right, Jack Posevic, we are back live.
We've got Sheriff Mark Lamb joining us now.
Of course, he's running for Congress now, but for many years, he was the sheriff of Pinal County there in Arizona.
Not exactly the same county where Nancy Guthrie has gone missing, but very, very close.
And in some cases, also very similar terrain.
Sheriff Lamb, you were telling us about a case that took place where you had a disappearance.
Tell us a little bit about the terrain that we're talking about in this situation, because people are saying if she was abducted, I mean, they could be out in the desert.
Yeah, look, first of all, the desert is very dark out there.
Everything in the desert is trying to poke you, stick you, try to kill you.
I mean, scratch you, whatever, bite you.
So it is not the place you want to be.
It gets very cold at night, even though Arizona may get up to 75 to 80 degrees.
It's still extremely cold out there in the desert.
And so even from a helicopter, it's hard to actually locate people in the desert because of the terrain.
So when we've been looking for smugglers or lost people in the past, we're flying over and it is very tough to see them, which is why they have called in Bortak.
Bortec is a specialized unit with the Border Patrol.
They are extremely proficient at looking for people, tracking people, using footprints, all sorts of stuff.
So I'm glad to see that they brought them in because if she is indeed in the desert, you're going to want to have people experienced with that terrain who know where she might be and where to look.
Now, let's, I mean, if she's been in the desert, it's going to be a miserable four nights because it gets cold, but Bortec is there and they can help us tremendously in that area.
Well, and so Bortak, I mean, this ties in with the national conversation that we've been having, ICE, Border Patrol, control of the border.
Bortec has these capabilities, not because typically they're looking for abductees or victims, but because they're tracking traffickers and cartels and migrants and coyotes across the border in this area.
Yeah, they're human traffickers.
And well, they're human.
Let me say that again.
They are human trackers, not traffickers.
They look for the human trafficker.
Yes, yes.
Sorry about that.
Sorry about that.
I'm getting on a plane for anybody listening.
They are human trackers.
They're very good at what they do.
And they're going to be very helpful if she is indeed in the desert.
You want to rule that out.
You don't want that to be lingering around.
You want to be able to know that you've looked at all those areas, you've followed every lead.
And this also going back to the tracking, footprints, tire tracks, all of those things become very important in a case like this.
And guys who are experienced in that are going to be very helpful.
And they have the ability to do that as well.
You know, you mentioned at night, infrared, that's something they're going to be able to track.
Or if an infra on those infrared cams, I know this from, you know, being an intelligence officer in the military, that you could track if a vehicle has come through an area recently because they'll see that.
They'll see that heat signature and that'll light up at night.
Absolutely.
That'll help.
If there's anybody that's been laying in the sand, it'll show the warmth of that in there.
So yeah, very helpful for tracking.
No, it certainly is.
Sheriff Lamb, tell people a little bit about your race and what it is that made you want to go from law enforcement into running for political office there running for Congress.
Need For National Leadership00:05:03
Look, I think we need this type of leadership, not just at a county level.
We're seeing it.
We need it everywhere.
We need people that are experienced in the issues of this country, border patrol, getting government spending under control, finding fraud and prosecuting people for fraud.
These are the type of leadership we need in D.C.
And frankly, right now, we need people that are unapologetic about what they believe in.
And my belief system is God, family, freedom, and the Constitution.
Andy Biggs has been a great congressman, but he's now running for governor in the state of Arizona.
And I'm working on trying to replace his empty seat and make sure that we get a good conservative in Washington, D.C. that's going to try to bring some strong leadership and some knowledge to Washington on some areas that we really need to make sure we fix.
You know, President Trump has done great with his executive orders and fixing the border.
And now we've got to solidify those long term and make sure that we protect American citizens because all that we're seeing in Minnesota and everywhere else, these are a byproduct of a broken immigration system.
And we're still dealing with the after effects of the Biden administration.
And that's exactly what we see going on writ large.
And by the way, you know, you mentioned how Border Patrol and the importance of what they're doing.
You got Bortek out there that's actually joining in the search for Savannah Guthrie's mother, Nancy, and they're being demonized by the Democrats.
They're being demonized by the media, by the left.
But this is what they do on a regular basis.
They're the best in the world at it.
And those are the same people who are being used as a political football when really all they are is national security and law enforcement.
That's it.
That's it.
And what this also shows is the importance of a working relationship with federal law enforcement and local law enforcement.
Not to digress into a political, but what we see across this country in the areas where they don't want to work with the federal partners, it's not always about immigration.
Sometimes it's about finding somebody's mom.
Sometimes it's about tracking down human traffickers, child traffickers.
Sometimes it's about tracking down drug operations and cartels across this country.
To be successful, we have to have good collaboration and cooperation from our local law enforcement, state law enforcement, county sheriffs, and our federal partners.
And I think this should be a reminder to everybody on a case like this, the importance of that.
And kudos to President Trump for his willingness to send all those resources for this case and to be able to help wherever he can.
That's exactly right, Sheriff Lamb.
I know you got to run.
Tell people where they can go to follow all of everything that you're doing to get involved with the campaign.
Well, Jack, thank you for having me on again.
Please go to marklam.us, marklam.us.
You can support by donating.
You can donate no matter where you live.
Even though I'm running for Congress in Arizona, the votes I make will impact you no matter what state you live in.
I've been endorsed by President Trump, House Freedom Fund, Club for Growth, TPUSA.
So, yeah, we're at turning point action.
We're running a great campaign and we want to be able to represent the people of Arizona.
And look, my heart goes out to the Guthrie family.
Hope prayers for the law enforcement and the family, but hopefully they find her and bring some resolution to this case.
Well, amen to that.
There's no question.
Sheriff Lamb, thank you so much for joining us.
Thanks, Jack.
We'll talk to you later.
Absolutely.
Folks, you got it straight from the horse's mouth.
Sheriff Lamb, one of the best men in law enforcement, certainly Arizona.
When this whole thing kicked off, he was one of the first people.
I said, we want to get him on.
I want to get Sheriff Lamb on.
And I've remembered he was from the county that was immediately adjacent to Pima County.
I said, well, look, he knows the area similar to Rain.
Probably have had cases that crossed from county to county because, of course, criminals and traffickers and and the rest, they aren't the ones that are going to be.
They're not going to worry about county lines, they're going in and out.
And that situation he talked about, where you know it was a search and rescue, where they were found uh, out in the desert, that there was an individual that had gone lost and had been missing, catfished in that situation, later found with a vehicle, blood out there in the desert.
And it's not far from this area.
This is a remote area, this is not right downtown, this is in the outskirts of Tucson, and then from there it is not far at all as the crow flies, or be able to drive out into the high desert, and certainly something that I think myself and a lot of people are looking for.
Um, i'll just say you know you have to take them seriously, but i'm i'm skeptical.
I'm skeptical of these ransom letters.
I want to know what's going on there, the fact that they're going to media and not dealing directly with the family it's, it all seems very suspicious.
Skeptical About Ransom Letters00:00:41
So my heart and prayers are certainly with the Guthury family this weekend.
Folks Patriots America, the public, law and order.
That's what we're talking about, and i'm talking about American patriots, not the team.
That's why we've got the Super Bowl halftime show.
That's why look it's it's going on to be a national thing I I came up with the original, you know, the tweet for it and all the rest, but at the end of the day, it's about honoring our country, using the inspiration from Charlie.
That's exactly where this came from.
So ladies and gentlemen, I hope you're watching this Sunday.
Remember, change the channel to American patriotism.