Nov. 18, 2025 - Human Events Daily - Jack Posobiec
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MAGA vs The Theater Kids: Do You Want Drama or Do You Want Victory?
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Tonight, President Trump now saying he is not ruling out putting U.S. boots on the ground in Venezuela as the largest, most advanced aircraft carrier in the world, the USS Gerald Ford, arrives in the Caribbean.
I don't rule out anything.
We just have to take care of Venezuela.
At least 15,000 U.S. forces now deployed in the Caribbean.
The U.S. saying it will designate the Cartel de los Soles, a drug trafficking group it says is run by the illegitimate regime of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro, a foreign terrorist organization.
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A terrible first for the world.
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Big victory for free speech and First Amendment protections after a court decided one school district's pronoun policy violated students' constitutional rights.
The federal appeals court ruled a school district in Ohio could not punish students who do not call a transgender student by their preferred pronoun.
With the House preparing to vote on the full release of the Epstein files, this morning, Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, says a significant number of Republicans will back it.
And how many Republicans do you expect to vote for this?
I think it'll be a large vote, Tallik.
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Let anybody look at it.
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President Trump wrapping up his meeting with the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, a cool trillion in investment in the United States that we're hearing from the kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
You know, and we see the president putting up these wins.
We see the president putting up these W's on the foreign policy front, but it's really the internals.
It's really the domestic that so many people are focused on.
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It's this question about: do you want drama or do you want victory?
Right?
Because MAGA wants drama, and the theater kids are the ones.
Said that backwards, didn't I?
MAGA wants victory, and the theater kids are the ones who want drama.
MAGA wants victory, and the theater kids are the ones who just want drama.
All right, it's really as simple as that.
Do you want to win?
Where were we 10 years ago?
Where are we now?
What would things have been like if Kamala Harris had been president?
Or dare I say, Hillary Clinton been president?
Because remember, go back 10 years.
Who was the heir apparent?
Who did it look like before Donald Trump got in the race in 2015?
Who was it that looked like was going to win?
Jeb Bush.
You remember him?
Jabbers.
It looked like Jeb Bush is going to get in the race.
That's right.
And so we would have had a contest between Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton, and Hillary would have steamrolled him.
She would have absolutely steamrolled Jeb Bush.
Everybody knew it.
Everybody knew it would have happened.
And she would have been the first female president.
And Hillary Clinton would have been in the White House, probably for two terms.
That was your alternative if Donald Trump didn't come down the golden escalator in one of the greatest moments in all of American history.
So you need to lock in out there.
Now, people want to say, oh, well, Jack, this is just constructive criticism.
That's fine.
That's totally fine.
People want to course correct.
People want to say you need to focus more on the domestic and not the foreign.
I get that.
I'm all for it.
I'm all for it.
But what I'm not for is the drama.
I'm not for these dramatic performative eruptions.
And oh, you're not really MAGA.
Oh, you're not really.
And you get these people, by the way, who weren't here early on, who then come in and say, oh, you have to say this, this, and this, and then you're MAGA.
And oh, you can't talk to this person and this person and this person, or you're not MAGA.
And it's like, yeah, that's not what MAGA is about.
MAGA is about freedom of speech.
MAGA's about people coming together against the establishment.
That's what MAGA's about.
And that's why Donald Trump did what he did.
And that's why he's been as successful as he's been.
And he's had the success that he's had.
It's really as simple as that.
And I get it.
The base of this country, the base of this movement, they care a lot more about the turkey and your Thanksgiving dinner than they do about the turkey in the Middle East.
That's America first.
That's how I define America first.
That's how America First has always been defined.
Putting the American people first.
Not corporations, not the GDP, not the stock market, not any of that nonsense.
It means putting the American people first.
And if the American people are hurting, if Main Street is hurting, it doesn't matter if Wall Street is doing well.
Remember a little something called the Occupy movement?
Remember a little something called the Tea Party?
A little something called the 99% versus 1%?
That was the birth of populist politics, the populist movement.
The populist left turned into Mamdaniism.
What did the populist right turn into?
It turned into MAGA.
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First time I believe that we've had him on Human Events Daily, although I've appeared on his show a number of times.
Ladies and gentlemen, Jason Whitlock from Fearless over at the Blaze joins us now.
What's up, Jason?
Jack, thank you for having me.
I thought I'd been on Human Events.
Maybe I, well, were you on?
Maybe I'm getting my wires crossed then, man.
And you were here and I thought you were, I was on there.
That might be it.
But Jason, it's either way, we got to do it more.
I think that's the upshot of it.
But so we were doing this conversation.
I was on your show earlier and I kind of did a little monologue when we started off.
And I said, I think there's some people, and I saw this, actually, I was coming off of your tweet.
You had a tweet about, you know, taking the vaccine and saying that Jesus Christ is not enough.
You must take the censorship vax.
We now have boosters that will keep you a safe social distance from Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, Megan Kelly, Alex Jones, Dave Smith, Daryl Cooper, and many others to be named later.
Keep it locked on my feed for updates on new boosters or masking policies.
And it was really funny.
And if people don't know, Jason's obviously being sarcastic there.
It does feel like there's this push for censorship now going on on, you know, call it the online right, the MAGA right, whatever you want to call it, the conservative movement.
What are your thoughts on that?
Why did you post that tweet?
Well, because I wanted to point out that what we're seeing as it relates to Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens and several others, and I'll even throw Nick Fuentez in there, is very similar to what we saw during 2020 as it relates to COVID.
That the left had this insanity that everybody had to take this vaccine, this medical trial vaccine, and that if you didn't do it, you were the worst person on the planet.
And we all ridiculed and laughed at them and said that that's crazy.
And now we're turning around and doing that to Tucker Carlson and to Candace Owens and to other people that were respected and fighters and soldiers in this culture war.
And now because of this lack of comfort with the conversation about what is America first, how much support should we provide foreign countries, particularly Israel?
How many wars are we going to get into in the Middle East?
Now we want everybody to social distance from Marjorie Taylor Greene and Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens.
And I'm just not for that.
I don't believe in that.
I believe we serve Jesus Christ.
He's given us his word in written form that guides us and tells us how to operate in this world.
We don't have to social distance.
We don't have to cancel people.
We can beat them with a higher form of the highest form of truth.
And that is by proclaiming Christ as king.
That is by pushing this culture back to a more biblical worldview.
That's the solution, not canceling people.
Beat them with the ideas.
Our ideas are superior because they're based in biblical truth.
No, I love this idea because the idea that you're saying don't call for censorship.
And so much lately, I try to think back, you know, what would Charlie do?
What would Charlie say in a given situation?
And Charlie wasn't a censorship guy.
And people want to say, oh, what about what he just said this about Israel?
And he said, no, no, no.
But guys, at the end of the day, I go back to how did Charlie deal with this?
I know I said this on your show, but I'm going to say it again for the benefit of the audience here, is that when the Israel question first came up and it was bubbling up and it was getting bigger.
And then it, you know, really when the war with Gaza spilled out and it became such a huge issue is on the news every night.
It's all over social media, TikTok, et cetera.
Charlie said, you know what?
I don't want to hide this conversation.
I don't want to squelch this conversation.
In fact, I want to hash it out.
And at one point, not to get too into it, but, you know, I played a very small role in setting up some of the debate at the Student Action Summit, the last one that Charlie would attend, the last turning point event he would attend down at Tampa between Dave Smith and Josh Hamer, which was mediated by Charlie himself on the question of Israel.
I thought they had a great debate.
I thought they went really well.
I thought both sides made really good points.
I agree.
You know, I think largely that I think we need to start winding down our, you know, our presence in the Middle East and certainly our support for these various wars.
I think that's what America First is all about when it comes down to it.
But that's what Charlie did.
He didn't stand for censorship.
And Jason, I love how you would do this because you always talk about the difference between tribalism versus being a Christian.
And I think that's something you were kind of getting at.
What does that mean?
Unpack that for us.
Well, it's the same thing Tucker's been talking about, quite honestly.
It's just like, hey, we all Christians, we should not be tribal.
We should not be leaning into skin color.
We should not be leaning into many things that are dividing us.
And we should be coming together under our belief that we serve Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior and that our identity comes from our religious faith, our country of origin, and our language.
And if we lean into those things, there's plenty.
There's everything for us to come together.
If we're going to lean into identity politics and, hey, I'm originally from this country, although I live here, my skin color is this.
And so I must be loyal to everybody that shares my skin color.
I want loyalty based on shared values.
My values are biblical.
My values are Christian.
I want loyalty and coalition based on that.
If we lean into tribalism, and this is what I've said, I think over Twitter, and I think I've said it on my show countless times to the Nick Fuentes, that's promoting a tribalism that I'm like, why would you do that?
Black people in America have become very tribal.
It's not going well.
It's not working out at all.
Why would you repeat and think that, okay, if white people become tribal like black people, it's going to go better for us as white people?
No, it won't.
We have to come together over shared values and we have to remove this color stipulation.
And again, take our identity in our religious faith, in our country of origin, and our language.
That should bring us together.
And so it's very hard to get black people on board with that, but we should all be looking at it.
And I'm an American black man.
For those of you that are not watching, or I mean, not yet, not watching and can only hear my voice.
I'm an American black man.
I'm in disagreement with this 90% of black America that is very tribal and is not their kids.
Our kids, black people's kids are failing.
They're not achieving academically.
We're not progressing economically.
We don't have any unity.
There is no unity based on skin color.
Unity is based on shared values and they're best based on shared biblical values.
And so this tribalism that many, quite frankly, Jewish people lean into tribalism.
And so for people that are critical of black people for their victimhood, Jewish people for their victimhood and tribalism, why would we want to adopt the tactics that lead to a lot of division in my view and don't push America forward in the proper way?
I just, I just, things that I'm critical of, I don't try to repeat.
I don't try to mimic and adopt.
And I just don't, tribalism does not work.
Shared values does.
And, you know, quite frankly, shared values based on Jesus Christ, Old and New Testament.
That's what works.
And we all need to be leaning into that rather than tribalism.
And you know what?
For me, I think a lot of this started when they started preaching multiculturalism.
And they said, they started saying we need to embrace all cultures and every culture is, and I get where that starts.
That starts from kind of like probably a, you know, a well-meaning place, or it's all well-meaning, right?
We're multiculturalism.
We should respect all cultures.
But then you turn around and suddenly you start saying, wait a minute, but we have to have one culture and that culture is the American culture.
So that culture is red, white, and blue.
That culture, yeah, and of course, like you can look, obviously you could see people of different skin color, people with different backgrounds, like, duh, of course, we have eyes.
But that doesn't mean that you can't have a shared culture.
And I just remember, you know, growing up when I did that that's what it was.
We were all American.
It's like, you know, I always joke, you know, I'm from the Philadelphia area.
So you go to Eagles game, you know, right, that's tribal, right?
That's very tribal.
And especially Eagles fans.
And when you get a, you know, and the Giants fans come in and it gets a little rough.
It definitely gets a little rough.
But, but there's that moment at the game when you play the Star Spangled Banner and everybody takes off your hat, you put your hand over your heart, you listen to the national anthem.
And for that moment, you put that all aside and you say, we're all American citizens.
That's what's about having American culture first.
Right back, Jack Pisovic, Jason Whitlock, Human Events Daily.
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Looking at a live shot now of the West Wing Portico, President Trump about to head out with Crown Prince Mohammed Salman, MBS of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
We do note that the Marine Color Guard has now exited, or I should say, entered the West Wing.
So looking for that very soon.
We're going to cut to that when it does happen.
We're all with our guest, Jason Whitlock from The Blaze, host the show Fearless and having a great conversation about sort of the differences between shared culture based on the values of the Bible, the values of our founding fathers,
the history that we come that we, you know, we bring back Greece, Rome, all of this history that we have in the United States that really fused and formed what our country is and how special that is and what a project that is and whether it matters that we keep it going.
And my contention has been, and I call it multiculturalism.
Jason's talking about tribalism.
I think it's the same thing because I think the multiculturalism project puts you on the pathway to tribalism.
Jason Whitlock, what do you say?
Yeah, here's my problem with multiculturalism.
All cultures are not created equal.
And we have to have enough common sense, enough biblical understanding to understand that all cultures are not equal.
And so when I think of hip-hop culture, I don't want to be around it.
I don't want to live next door to it.
I don't want to be in an environment where people are cursing and calling each other's names and promoting all kinds of sexual deviants.
And so it's this culture, multiculturalism that allows any and everything into your country, a country that you sacrificed for.
And we're seeing people come into this country that have no interest in adopting a traditional American biblical culture.
They want to just come over here and benefit from American freedom, American capitalism, and all the opportunity, but they don't want to assimilate at all.
I love, I've been making this point for many, many years.
Take my father, who's now passed away, one of maybe my favorite person on earth when he was here, him and my grandmother and mom.
But my father was racist.
Just quite frankly, he was racist.
He grew up at a time where he was mistreated and he did not like white people.
But here's the truth of the matter.
I never saw my dad mistreat a white person who treated him with respect.
I never saw my dad really mistreat anybody at any time, but he did not like white people.
But I saw white people come into his bar, the Masterpiece Lounge, Jimmy's J-Bar J, and anybody that treated him with respect and adopted to the culture in the Masterpiece Lounge, my dad's bar, Jimmy's J-Bar J, my dad's bar.
They all got treated the same and well.
And that's indicative of there's a lot of people that claim that they're racist.
But the reality is if you exhibit values that they share, they're going to treat you great.
When you move into a neighborhood and you don't play your music too loud and you supervise your kids and they don't run wild and your son isn't trying to get in bed with their 12-year-old daughter or whatever, and people are just keep your grass cut.
No one cares what color you are.
Their bigotry disappears.
And I saw it with my father.
I've seen it with white people.
If you adopt, adapt, and present a culture that they respect and values that they share, no one cares about color.
And that's the beauty of Christianity because Jesus defines for us a way of behavior, a culture that is inoffensive to any right-minded person and allows you to connect with any and everybody.
Since I moved here to Nashville five years ago in 2020, and I moved away from Los Angeles, and I wanted to get away from Los Angeles because the place was crazy and they were celebrating George Floyd.
And, you know, you had to hate Trump if you lived in LA.
I moved here to Nashville into Tennessee because I wanted to be around people that shared my worldview.
And everybody has treated me well that shares my values regardless of color.
That's, again, it's why I lean so heavy into a biblical worldview because it brings people together.
And a lot of these other cultures that are very tribal and have a different set of values and have different norms that it's just incompatible, incompatible with law, order, and a structure where it's safe for young people to have the kind of childhood that I had.
I had an amazing childhood here in America and I was poor.
An amazing childhood.
And we're denying that to these young people today, and it drives me crazy.
I think go ahead.
I'm sorry.
Before we, we only got a couple of minutes left.
I do have to ask because the biggest difference, one of the biggest differences, I think now is also, we had the COVID experience, but we also have the experience of, so everyone's locked in their phone, locked in their houses and stuck on their phones, right?
So you're locked in your house, you're stuck on your phone.
Do you think that the rise of, and we started talking about the online, you know, sort of squabbles.
Do you think the algorithms, do you think social media, does it drive this tribalism?
Yes, without question.
And we're less connected.
We think, hey, we've made the world smaller.
Everybody's connected by their phone, but not in a real way.
When people are dating through text messages or DMs on a social media app, rather than calling, again, I'm old enough to remember when there was one phone in the house and you'd call a girl and you'd have to hope that their mom or dad wasn't on the phone or their brother and sister.
It's so- Well, that was a rite of passage where you called and that answered.
Remember that?
But the connection has that because you had to put effort, you had to put real effort into connecting with people.
And then you would connect with people.
Everybody would meet at the mall.
Shopping malls used to be a big deal.
And you'd actually be face to face with people that you're connecting with.
And now it's all over on, it's all done online.
And it's not healthy.
It doesn't bring us together.
It actually divides us.
Well, I think that's great, Jason.
And something that I've looked at too is that Charlie Kirk, he had a healthy respect for the physical space.
That's what he always tried to do.
He tried to bring people together in person because I think he understood that.
I think he understood that if we stayed online too much, we would tear each other apart.
And of course, people did not like that.
Folks, please go give Jason a follow.
Go check his show out.
Fearless over on the blaze.
Jack the So we'll be right back.
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Jack, I want to see you.
Great job, Jack.
Thank you.
What a job you do.
You know, we have an incredible thing.
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All right, folks, Jack Sobic back live, Human Events, Daily Real America's Voice.
We've still got our live shot up of the White House Portico.
We're going to see whether or not or when I should say President Trump and MBS and their meeting.
I guess they're still talking in there.
We know the Color Guard has gone in.
I'm also told that the Jeffrey Epstein vote, the vote on these Epstein files, this situation, it is the motion to suspend the rules and pass.
So the vote has begun.
And gosh, we are just, is the vote over, guys?
Are we getting that?
The vote just ended because I was told the vote was on.
I'm they're saying they're counting, but I'm seeing it looks like it's almost done.
370 or no, still going 371, 376.
I mean, Matt, I think you're, I haven't seen a single nay vote yet.
A couple no votes, but almost zero no's at this point.
I mean, it's 375 already.
So it's obviously going to pass.
It's all, it's obviously passed.
So we're going to see what happens.
I want every single one of these files out, and it's very important.
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Folks, I want to get in here because I want to be clear about this.
This vote, guys, are you telling me the vote just passed, right?
I want to be clear about this.
Someone, there was a Democrat who voted no, it looks like at one point, but then I think they switched it back over to the yes column.
And I'm just going to say before, you know, before we get to our guest, that I think this is really, this really is the voice of the people.
The people of this country came together around the Epstein files, the Epstein case, and have said, you know what?
We're sick of it.
We're sick of this not coming out.
We're sick of the lack of truth.
Take the politics of it aside.
There is a massive anti-establishment push in this country.
That's what's driving populism.
People are sick of the system.
And Epstein became emblematic of that system.
And that's why you're seeing this incredible lopsided vote.
Is there a Republican who voted no?
Is that what I'm seeing now?
All right, we're going to dig into this, but I want to get our guest on now.
We have Avida Duffy joining us now.
What's up, Avida?
Hey, thanks for having me, Jack.
All right, Avida, she is my favorite anti-communist.
Avida, why does America care so much about the Epstein files?
I mean, I feel like Epstein has been in the back of everyone's minds for so long.
And the Uniparty, the establishment has been wanting us to forget about it.
And it just keeps coming back up because Epstein is representative of all of the rot.
We haven't had disclosure on RFK and JFK on the assassination on Tuskegee or the promise software scandal or MK Ultra.
Like there are so many scandals, abuses from our government.
And Jeffrey Epstein is in very recent memory.
And he's kind of become the symbol of all of the abuse that the American people have endured and put up with from our government.
And to say, no, finally, this time, we want the truth.
What is the deal with Jeffrey Epstein?
Who was he trafficking young girls to?
And more importantly than even that, Jack, because the implications are even wider than just sex trafficking, but who was he working for, right?
Was there an intelligence angle here, whether that's United States or foreign?
And that, I think, is going to be the question that comes after these files are finally released.
Well, and so here's what we have so far.
And I'm not sure if there's going to be a who voted what.
There's going to be some changes in the actual vote, but it's clearly passed, whatever.
It's clearly through the House.
And so there's no question about that.
Now, we know at the same time that what we're hearing is that the Senate is set to change the bill because this does also have to pass the Senate.
And so now there's going to be questions whether or not this will be able to make it through the Senate.
I certainly hope it does.
I've got this from Straight and Arrow News.
It says, Thune will seek to amend the bill to address privacy concerns.
Speaker Johnson said the legislation was written with imprecise language.
We could allow for the release of information about victims who wish to remain anonymous, classified information, child sex abuse material, including photos and information about innocent people who never committed a crime.
And so, Evida, this, I have to say, you know, nobody wants to go after the victims.
Nobody wants to attack the victims.
This is all about who were the clients.
And, you know, it's just been something that honestly, I do certainly wish that it had been dealt with differently at the beginning of the administration.
I know that, you know, I've talked about this a million times at this point when Opiers Morgan talked about it, but this whole thing with the binders and having us in, and then it was like stuff that had already been released.
It was just, it was not the level of seriousness that this case deserves.
And at the same time, though, you know, Evita, what do you think it's going to send?
What kind of message is it going to send that if this comes out and there's still pages upon pages that are missing or pages that are blacked out?
Well, it's not going to go away.
And I think that there has been a massive push.
And I think it's a bipartisan push.
Democrats have pretended that they are on the side of disclosure and they now suddenly care about Jeffrey Epstein.
Let's be honest.
There are lots of Democrats who are implicated in these files as well, many powerful Democrats who don't want them to come out.
And so I think it's just, it's not going to go away.
So all of the people on both sides of the aisle who have been wanting this to disappear are going to see it keep on coming up if we see massive redactions.
It's just, it's never going to end.
And so, yeah, if we don't have disclosure, they're not going to get what they want.
And the conspiracies are going to continue to fuel, I think, a lot of rage.
Well, and I think that's what it is, is when you have a case like Epstein, where the crimes that we know about, in addition to alleged crimes, are so horrific, are so disgusting, and seemingly involve so many powerful people.
I mean, this guy visited the Clinton White House 17 times.
This guy had was like on an email basis with the heads of Harvard and all these people that are around our power structure.
And suddenly we're hearing that he was involved in all this insane, you know, behavior down at the island and Ghelaine Maxwell being a recruiter and others being recruiters.
So the question is like, are our elites actually that depraved and gross and disgusting?
And if so, was this some kind of rite of passage?
Was going to the island the way that you got to become an elite?
Because then everybody had dirt on everybody else.
And it's like, now you're really in the club.
That's what being clubbable means.
And it's something where I think so many people have just made this the focal point of, you know, of really being able to understand, will the establishment continue or will it not?
And I'm still seeing, by the way, I'm looking at this vote.
It says 427 for one against, and it's a Republican.
I got to know who that Republican was because great, you know, great job.
You've, you know, you've definitely, you've definitely been able to, you know, stick your, you're just, you're sticking your foot in it.
You're just absolutely sticking your foot in it.
And it's ridiculous.
Evida Duffy, do you think that this is going to be something that goes away even if the files are released?
Or is it going to continue to be as viral of a trend as it is now?
I mean, I don't think we're going to get the answers from these files.
I'm afraid about the redactions, Jack.
And then I'm also have, I also have the intelligence question.
And I think there's something deeper going on here as well.
I mean, if you look at the American people, by and large, these are good people.
We are still in flyover country, at least a Christian country.
We have very traditional values.
I mean, the soul of this country still exists in the people themselves, but there seems to be a radical disconnect in the values of the American people and the values of our elite class.
And Jeffrey Epstein is sort of the symbol of that rot.
Jeffrey Epstein is what we think of when we think of why our leaders are failing us, why they seem to be so morally depraved.
The people that Jeffrey Epstein was connected with were potentially trafficking young girls who were at least was friends with are some of the most powerful people in the country, still the most powerful people in the country.
And so it's become, I think, a symbol of elite rot, institutional rot that's going to continue to be a conversation until there's a genuine reckoning, right?
What I'm talking about is prosecution and radical disclosure.
Who was he working for?
Who was he working for?
So many questions.
Evident Duffy, Jack Pasovic, join us next.
Human Events Daily continues.
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Not a good look, Clay.
Just going to tell you, man, not a good look.
Evita Duffy coming up here.
I wanted to get you in on sort of the overall topic of today.
I know we have about eight minutes left.
MAGA versus the theater kids.
That's kind of how I phrase the episode here because look, I'm all for people being constructive and people criticizing, but there's a place to do that.
And there's also a way to run a political movement.
And it seems though that people wanted to put drama at the front of everything.
So they want to have their little drama circus.
They wanted to blow this up.
They wanted to say, oh, let's do this.
Let's do that.
Meanwhile, I try to think of Charlie.
I try to think of when Charlie was around.
He'd pick up the phone.
He would text.
He would figure out every single way to do that in private.
And then so that in public, what you would see and what he was fighting for was this unified front.
And if there was an issue on an issue on a, on an, you know, something that come up like Israel, you have a debate.
Avida, are we, are we putting the cart before the horse?
Are we doing drama at the, you know, at the detriment of securing victory?
I mean, yeah, the short answer is absolutely absolutely.
I mean, we have midterms coming up and I feel like some people are forgetting what it's like when Democrats have total control.
Like they're already drafting the impeachment for President Trump once they get power again in Congress.
And I hope that doesn't happen, but it might if we stop being focused, continue on this path of just infighting and drama.
The other thing is there's all this pressure on the President of the United States himself, on our vice president, on members in the Trump administration to weigh in on all this drama.
And they're forgetting that the second President Trump leaves office, President Trump, as well as everyone who worked for him is going to be targeted by potentially a Democrat administration.
This is what President Biden did, and you can bet that it's going to be a thousand times worse under another Democrat administration.
This is how they play the game now.
So if we're not focused on victory, we are securing, we are instead promising our own destruction.
I think it's very short-sighted, very stupid, and it's especially stupid from people that are supposedly movement driven who are leading us down this path of just distraction.
Well, and it breeds deactivation as well, right?
Because suddenly you're saying, oh, well, this guy's not based enough.
This guy's not good enough.
This guy's not going hard enough or whatever.
So you think it's edgy and cool, right, to stay home and deactivate and not come out and vote.
And then the Democrats win and we all end up in the gulags.
And you can be like, see, I was right.
Okay, cool.
But guess what?
You're going to be in the gulag too.
Like, I just, I don't really understand that way of thinking.
And I guess it's very short.
It's just very short-sighted.
It's so incredibly short-sighted.
You've got to focus on the big victory.
Doesn't mean you're not going to have, you know, family, you know, family feuds, family disputes.
Absolutely.
but you keep it in the family because at the end of the day, we are up against billionaires who want us all in prison or dead.
And if you don't believe me, go look at how they reacted to the murder of Charlie Kirk.
Yes.
Yeah.
I mean, it's incredible to me.
And to his credit, President Trump has been, has been focused.
I mean, he was questioned on will you disavow Tucker Carlson for having a conversation with someone?
And President Trump said, no, you know, I'm not going to do that.
I've been on Tucker Carlson's show.
He's a good guy.
I like him.
Whatever.
Let's move on.
That should be the tone everybody's taking right now.
There is just a lack of focus.
And it's going to be, I think, a major mistake.
No, it would be an absolute mistake.
And honestly, it goes back to me thinking when in the Russian Civil War, when that broke out between the final elements of the Imperial Russian Army under General Wrangel and the Bolsheviks, the literal actual Bolsheviks, the White Army versus the Red Army, that they broke down into infighting.
They couldn't decide on who was going to be the leader.
And some of them started getting picked off and some of them started losing.
They took some L's here, took some L's there.
And rather than actually unify together and fight back against the Bolsheviks who were literally killing their families, they rather fought one another until they got to the point where the Bolsheviks completely swept over power and took over the entire country.
I mean, I can't think of anything that's similar to that.
Can you?
No, and I think the worst part, Jack, is that we've seen an excellent example of what the left is capable of.
And that is the murder of Charlie Kirk.
In the wake of his death, it should have been a wake-up call that, okay, we all need to unite.
Like that's what the enemy is.
Not just the radical furry, like lover of a furry who murdered Charlie Kirk, who has they, them pronouns in his bio, but all of the Democrats who celebrated his public slaughter, his live streamed slaughter.
You didn't walk away from that scene and say, okay, now it's time to unite and actually fight.
Instead, we've seen so many Republicans get mad at other conservatives for having conversations.
It's outrageous.
And the craziest part is that these are Republicans who are willing to have conversations with radical leftists who, again, want all of us dead, but somehow the line is crossed and we're having conversations with conservatives.
It's ridiculous.
It is asinine.
And it's a losing strategy.
No, and you really wonder if there are people who just want to lose.
Like maybe, you know, talk about different fetishes, I suppose.
You know, but you've got the furries, you've got humiliation, you've got all the rest of it out there.
And it's disgusting.
And at the same time, and by the way, I've even seen a Vita where I spend all last week talking about this furry fetish and the transism, transism, genderism of Lance Twiggs.
And then it comes out that there's other elements perhaps tied to transgenderism or at least gender ideology and furry websites of President Trump's original assassin, Thomas Matthew Crooks.
And then people say, oh, well, you're not talking about my pet issue.
So you must be covering it up.
I'm like, no, I'm just following the evidence.
Yeah.
Well, and Jack, I mean, one of the most disturbing, you shared a video on your ex-feed from Turkey Tom where he broke down this Thomas Crookes assassination attempt on President Trump, who was this kid.
Finally, we have some, I'm sorry, it was not Thomas Crooks.
It was Lance Twiggs.
Yes, I'm sorry.
Lance Wiggs, yeah.
Yes, yes.
So they, his parents.
The Vita's like, there's just too many furries.
There's too many furries in too little time.
Not Thomas Crooks.
This was about Lance that his parents surrounded by furries.
Allegedly, because they thought he was possessed by a demon, that some of his friends had said when he's laughing and pointing to these bizarre conversations with chat GPT and Latin and Greek and weird symbols, he seems to be possessed by a demon.
I mean, that to me was the most disturbing part of this case: that there is potentially a demonic element here.
Actually, I think there most certainly is a demonic element here to be able to do certainly what Thomas Crooks did, or what Lance's lover did, Tyler.
And so, it's spiritual forces as well that we need to be thinking about and fighting.
And instead, Jack, we are just so distracted and disunified.
No, that's exactly right.
It's 100% right.
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