Human Events Daily - Jack Posobiec - New Media's Battle for American Minds w/ James O'Keefe, Laura Logan and Eva Vlaar

Nov. 7, 2025 - Human Events Daily - Jack Posobiec

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New Media's Battle for American Minds w/ James O'Keefe, Laura Logan and Eva Vlaar

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	Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard.
	Today we have a very special edition of Human Events Daily for you over here live in Washington, D.C. Look, we are here at General Flynn's new media summit.
	Today is all about independent media.
	It's all about disrupting the narrative.
	It's about getting the truth out.
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	Thank you very much, General Flynn.
	So I just came from a summit on the ending the persecution of Christians worldwide.
	I think that's emblematic of where we stand today is that it's a real indictment on us as journalists that most of the world has no idea that for the past 20 plus years since the day of 9-11, there has been a systematic organized campaign to massacre Christians across the isolated rural villages of northern Nigeria.
	And when it finally comes to light, what does Al Ja Zero do and all these other journalists?
	They could not always deny that it's true.
	And you're just like, I'm just like, so the last five, sick years I spent documenting one massacre after another.
	I mean, I was walking at dinner on a Friday night.
	I got a picture of a 17-year-old, 16, 17-year-old girl who was pregnant, having her head hacked off while they had the body out of the baby out of her stomach.
	And you're going to sit there and tell me that this is something made up by the right wing?
	I look, I just, I cannot come to you strongly enough and say that we are in an absolute crisis of information.
	General Fennens articulated this with the amazing and wonderful, much missed Spoon Cutler in his book, Seth Generation Warfare.
	That is the battle for our mind, but we are in the battle for our minds and our souls.
	And when you deny that people are being murdered, you lose your soul.
	And, you know, I just, I see Angela standing king.
	She's going to be on the panel later today, but Angela is one of the people that brought me to a basic truth because she saves babies can abortion.
	And she talks about saving children from murder.
	And I never thought about abortion like that.
	And so what is so important about that is we as journalists have been derelict in our duty to the truth and into pursuing the truth regardless of who we've become instruments of propaganda and God bless independent media and the rise of independent media.
	But don't, there's a price for everything.
	There's a price for everything.
	So it's when we dance on the graves of, you know, CNN and the New York Times and shows how they deserve it.
	Do we ask what fills the void?
	Because what is filling the void now, you know what you don't have when you lose your advertising revenue from big pharma and you lose the corporations, you lose first-hand journalism.
	I spent five years in Iraq as the chief farm first part of the CBS News.
	That costs how many millions, millions of dollars.
	How many over the years?
	What independent media or out there can afford that?
	Now, it's no use if you're going to put people on the ground, they're not going to tell the truth.
	So your bureaus mean nothing.
	I'm not standing in defense of mainstream media.
	I'm standing in defense of the principles of real journalism and the reality that it takes money.
	It costs money to do real journalism.
	It costs money to travel.
	It costs money to invest in time and in people.
	And that investment is not happening.
	And, you know, unless you're the one in a million, I don't know, James does pretty well at it.
	He's relentless.
	He does 19,000 different jobs at the same time and somehow manages to run his own organization, fight off all those lawsuits that you can, Mel DeMarcus had shoes, quite frankly.
	And I still manage his teams of independent journals.
	And yet he's still got to battle the right to even be called a journalist because the New York, the gray lady deems him to be a far-right activist.
	Please, please, you people belong in the trash drunk of history, right?
	But they don't.
	And I received this amazing woman, Ava, here, who I looked at, no way, I see her as a vision of what I would like to remember myself as being 20 years ago, when I was younger, in thinner and you know, and perfect, because every time she comes out she just nails it and she's brave and she.
	But what has Ava done?
	She has consistently, over time, built up a bank of knowledge.
	There was a time when journalists had to be, we had to be historians and we had to be economists.
	I study economics.
	I carry English as an extra major.
	I did a bachelor of commerce degree, not because I wanted to know anything about car marks.
	God guides me.
	He's like: oh, I can't go there, you know, because I have it.
	I have a shield of protection around, and I had to force myself to go there because I had to understand how money worked, because it was obvious that money and power drive these things that you're seeing when you're standing at the door of a mulcher and you're 17 years old and you're making frames with the guy running it, because you want to know how many bodies there are inside.
	Because the South African government at the time, when I was a young girl doing this reporting lied about all that.
	So I learned the value of first-hand reporting.
	And that does not mean God bless them.
	I'm sorry.
	Showing up in Aurora Colorado, with a small camera going around asking people if they're a member of the cartel, I mean that journalist.
	I'm sorry.
	Put him up against the wall, shoot him in the head and then teach him.
	I'm doing real journalism, because every, Every person in that building will be killed if they tell you that they're a member of the cartel or that there's cartel there.
	So that's not what I mean by first-hand journalism.
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	I mean, we have a dearth.
	We have forgotten how to mentor.
	We have forgotten we don't have newsrooms anymore.
	If I had a nickel to every time I was bouncing into my boss's office and told him about a story and he ripped me to shreds in four and a half seconds, you know, because reality intrudes.
	We have a saying in journalism that never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
	Whenever you hear, oh, that's a good story.
	I'm going to do that.
	You start to investigate and what do you find?
	It crumbles.
	And what did I learn?
	Never be afraid to walk away.
	Don't stick with it because of belief or ideology or anything else.
	Journalists are not lawyers.
	We don't go into court and cherry-pick evidence to make a case.
	We're not advocates.
	We don't campaign on behalf of people.
	That's not our job.
	Our job is to do everything we can to find not just part of the truth, but the whole truth.
	Because something can be true, but if you distort it and you focus on it and you put that out above everything else, you can still be as deceptive and misleading as the people who lie blatantly.
	And it's not hard.
	It's not easy to find the whole truth.
	These things take time.
	Beat reporting is valued because you know why?
	Because when a person truly understands the subject, it's of value to all of us.
	If I never understood, I'm living in Iraq.
	I know any Shiite militias, Iraqi terrorists, I know the government, I knew soldiers, I know people all across the, all across the country.
	And yet somehow every U.S. ambassador or state department official or military official or White House official, he came to the country, they wanted to bring that antho from New York, but never spent four and a half seconds in the country.
	And they opened the rape, they opened the doors, the rape politics.
	And you think, but why?
	And it's because they don't want to sit down with someone who knows enough to challenge them.
	They don't.
	Superficial is the death of real journalism.
	And they use a superficial.
	It's good in a crisis.
	The rest of the time, worthless.
	And when journalists don't have resources behind them, what they do is superficial.
	What I de Haffa, commenting on things online, superficial, unfortunately.
	You know, I don't want to do that.
	But we have created a monster.
	Independent media is both our salvation.
	and also a monster.
	And if we don't guard it and protect it and fight for it, and if we don't recognize that there are real principles to real journalism and separate that from opinion, which is completely valid, opinion journals, there's always an opinion pages in newspapers.
	There's always room for analysis when you take someone.
	But when you, and I hear people who are not lawyers, and I see judges and lawyers on TV talking about nobody's going to prison for treason and sedition, and by the way, there's a statute of limitations.
	I'm like, are you serious?
	I'm not even a lawyer.
	And I know that's a lie.
	Allowing people to get away with this nonsense is, I mean, to me, it's the equivalent of being a co-conspirator in treason and sedition.
	And we have to hold people accountable for that.
	You can't take the murderer that's accused of serial, being a serial killer, and put him up there as if he's an expert when he's talking about his own crimes.
	Surely he's an expert because he's guilty.
	John Brennan.
	Right?
	I mean, it's insane.
	And to allow CBS News to put a guy on there as the deputy head of the CIA and then he retires and then he goes out.
	You're doing the biggest cover-up of one of the most damaging intelligence operations against this country and against this nation.
	And you're allowing him to go out there like he's some independent neutral analyst is just well-informed.
	It's an outrage, but they get away with it because we allow them to get away with it.
	Fear no evil.
	So it's hard to know what that really means unless you've been through it.
	You can watch the movies, read the books.
	I know you've been through it.
	We were all sitting together at the breakers and it was like everyone although I've been raided by the feds.
	But I'm a journalist.
	That's crazy.
	It continues to be crazy.
	It's so crazy that if another country did it, our State Department would be issuing sanctions against that country.
	It's actually – hopefully.
	So there's that part of it.
	So I've been asked to talk about what independent media is and what my views are on the current situation.
	I second again what you said about money.
	I don't know if the this is a controversial statement to make.
	I don't know if the commercial imperative is compatible with truth telling.
	I don't know if the commercial imperative is compatible with investigative journalism.
	I mean, how many, you know, you at 60 minutes, you watched your piece dozens of times where you aired it?
	Hundreds of times.
	And now everything's live.
	I just started to do live myself, but there's something missing in live.
	You don't package it.
	There's no who, what, none, or why.
	There's no concise, succinct presentation of the information.
	So as a result, our brains are everywhere.
	There's no discipline.
	And the discipline of verification is what separates propaganda from journalism.
	The discipline of verification is what separates journalism from propaganda.
	And there's no verification of anything.
	Why?
	Because the incentives aren't aligned.
	The incentives are to make money and to get clicks.
	And you say a lot of crazy shit because that's what your audience wants to hear.
	But that's not the truth, though.
	So, and I'm not going to give any examples, but you know what I'm talking about.
	People are just saying crazy bulls because there's money in it.
	There's no money in what I do.
	And when you look at the world, which everyone does, because we all run organizations, whether we're NGOs or corporations or LLCs or 51c, even 51c3s, which are non-for-profit enterprises, you have a statement of bad assets.
	You have assets and you have something called liability.
	And guess what?
	My liabilities are always going to exceed my assets.
	So that's a very difficult challenge.
	I will second another thing you say, which is that you have to be, you look at someone like Charlie Kirk, who Jack was extremely close to.
	I didn't know as deeply, but I knew, especially I co-spired from Project Eritas.
	Charlie and I became very close.
	Charlie was there for me when that happened and lifted me up.
	And I mean, you have to be a, you know, if he wasn't an investigative reporter, but he was an organizational entrepreneur.
	You have to be a good speaker.
	You have to be a good fundraiser.
	You have to be a good chief executive officer.
	You have to be a good entrepreneur.
	You have to be not a hypocrite.
	You have to be a good Christian.
	You have to be a good father.
	You have to be a good husband.
	You have to inspire people.
	You have to give a good public presentation.
	I mean, no one can do all these things.
	But that's what you have to do to be an independent journalist.
	If you lap any one of those things, you will fail, in my opinion.
	And, you know, can they find someone else to do what he does?
	I don't think so.
	I suppose they can have a contest for a couple of young guys to go on campuses.
	The problem is, you will not find the ethics.
	You will find the talent, but you won't find the integrity.
	And the hardest thing about what I do is to find people with the integrity.
	It is so, it's such a cliche, isn't it?
	Ethics.
	What does it even mean?
	It means that you have no price.
	You have no price.
	It's such a hard thing to find.
	And then to also find someone with the talent, forget about it.
	One in 100 million.
	Not one in 100 million.
	So I think it's a problem that we have all this opinion.
	I agree that you need opinion, but when there's only opinion, it's toxic.
	It's radioactive.
	People.
	So that's the bad news.
	Here's the good news.
	Because I am an optimist for reasons I will tell you right now.
	I just did this story last week about SOAP, but I went undercover and I wore this ridiculous wig, which was from Amazon.
	And you might say, why would Kala?
	How would they not recognize you, O'Keefe?
	You guys, you guys, you literally said this walking in here.
	It's like, you don't understand.
	These people, they're not held accountable for anything.
	And I did that intentionally.
	I did that intentionally.
	Number one, I did it because they're so incompetent and corrupt.
	I wanted to demonstrate that.
	And number two, I wanted to show you that you can do it too.
	What's your excuse?
	Because I get from every, well, I'm so famous in Tennessee that I will everyone always recognize.
	Well, I'm James O'Keefe.
	And I still go undercover with the FDI, the State Department, the people on the federal level, and they don't recognize me.
	So, so when you have an excuse, it better be good.
	Of course, when you actually go into the psychology of it, it's just an it's an excuse for their own inaction.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, General Finn, for the invitation.
	For those of you who don't know me, my name is Eva Flaherdingerbruck.
	I do not expect you to repeat that very long Dutch last name.
	I'm absolutely honored to be here and I'm listening.
	As I'm listening to both of you, to Lara and to you, James, I once am extremely aware of how different our situation in Europe is.
	As much as I love hearing you guys talk about how you should do better, how you should work together.
	Today, you know, they talk about influencers.
	These are influences.
	And they're friends of mine.
	Jack, where's Jack?
	He's got a great job.
	You know, you should work together.
	Heather is too much opinion.
	It's great.
	You have so much standards, so many standards for yourselves.
	But we in Europe, man, we have a lot of work to do to even get to that point still.
	I'm from the Netherlands, so I'm from a very small country in Europe.
	And I'm sorry if I get a bit technical here, but I'll just sketch out our media landscape for you for a second so you understand our situation.
	We don't have not even one media outlet that pretends to be rightweight.
	Not one.
	So there's no Fox News, right?
	We don't have institutional media.
	We don't have legacy media that even pretend to represent the rights from the center.
	It doesn't exist.
	So go figure what our legacy media landscape looks like.
	And then think about how important the rise of independent media voices in our countries really is.
	And that process is also going way too slow because we don't have a Laura, we don't have a James O'Keefe, we don't have a Jack Dusovic.
	If we did, the situation wouldn't be as dire as the one that we are in today.
	And now I personally, I'm on X and I'm on Instagram.
	And it's funny because listening to you guys, I realize that I have never called myself a journalist.
	I haven't ever called myself a journalist because I'm never called a journalist by the people who call themselves journalists.
	Even though I think, I hope, I have more objective purporting and I do more objective reporting than they ever will.
	I also think that at this point, I might have more reach and influence than they combined do, especially online.
	Yet, again, I call myself a political commentator because I do openly voice my opinions.
	Instead, you know, I actually do, and I acknowledge that.
	I say, look, this is my analysis of the situation.
	And my analysis of the situation in Europe is, is that we are heading for utter and total destruction.
	Europe as we know it, and Europe as we have known it for centuries on end, is coming to a rapid end.
	We look at mass migration.
	That's one of the subjects that I focus most on in my recording because it is underreported.
	The statistics are skewed.
	The consequences of mass migration, impoverishment, cultural decay, they're lied about, they're hidden, even though we can all tell with our own eyes.
	Those are the things that I try to bring to the forefront.
	And of course, that requires opinion.
	That requires saying this is not good, even though you would think that it's obvious for everyone.
	But it's not.
	And the problem that we face in Europe, of course, is that we have many different cultural identities.
	We have many different languages, many different countries.
	That's something that we cherish.
	That's something that we're proud of.
	But it makes working together and it makes pointing out the similar issues that we are dealing with difficult when it comes to these types of cases.
	The rapes, the assaults, the murders that you are hearing about in Europe as a result of mass immigration.
	They're happening on a daily basis, but they are not collected by the legacy media they are not even rigging about.
	And so what I try to do is highlight as often as I can what is happening.
	And I truly feel like a broken record talking about these cases day in, day out.
	Rape of a 60-year-old girl there, murder of a 17-year-old boy there, even just bad assaults, right?
	They usually don't even get published.
	So I try to focus on that.
	I try to give these people names.
	I try to let people look, this is the Senate issue.
	This is not incidental.
	And this is all by design.
	Because we are still at that point.
	We are still at the point where I have to tell people that over and over again.
	And so this is for us, I think, one of the biggest challenges when it comes to independent media is that we, of course, we unite, but we also have to fight that against the institutions that try to silence us.
	Because again, let me allow me to go back to my small country for a moment, the Netherlands.
	We don't have freedom of speech the way that you do.
	We don't have the First Amendment.
	I'm sure it's health.
	Don't have the Second Amendment.
	We have criminal codes that make it illegal to offend groups.
	So if I say something that is offensive to a group, which is weird, right?
	How do you offend the group?
	How can a judge decide on behalf of a group that they are all collectively offended?
	Well, they do it.
	They do it on the basis, of course, of sex.
	They do it on the basis of race.
	They do it on the basis of sexual preference, religion.
	And people actually get convicted for those types of hate crimes, right?
	Hate speech.
	And so speaking about the cases that I just mentioned to you, the rapes, the assaults, the connection between mass immigration and crime, the sacrificing of our children on the altar of mass migration, that is and can be qualified as illegal hate speech and you can get sent to jail for it.
	That's our situation.
	So to tie this all back to independent media, without X, which is the platform that I use most, we wouldn't even hear about half of these stories, half this, even an optimistic estimate, I would say.
	So that's where we are.
	The independent journalists of Europe are on X. That's the only place where we can voice our opinions somewhat safely.
	But even X is being targeted by the European Union with the Digital Services Act.
	I don't want to bore you with all of the details of that, but it's a censorship act.
	And it's a censorship act that is now official law in all European countries designed by unelected bureaucrats.
	We don't have sovereignty.
	Our democracy is an illusion.
	It does not function.
	A supranational organization decides for us what our laws are and what we are allowed and not allowed to say.
	So once again, I want to instill you the urgency of the situation in Europe and how much we look to you in America and how much we need your help to get this message out there because we're fighting many monsters at the same time.
	And that's why I'm very thankful to be here.
	Thank you so much.
	So a couple of weeks ago, I went on CNN for the first time and.
	And I never thought I'd be in a situation where CNN would be ever allowing me to serve and talk about me enough and all of us.
	Hey, Jack, where is Jack?
	Where's Jack?
	Where is he?
	Jack, I want to see you.
	Great job, Jack.
	Thank you.
	What a job you do.
	You know, we have an incredible thing.
	We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys, and these are the guys should be getting published.
	I never thought I had the opportunity to be on.
	And of course, it was in the wake of Charlie's murder.
	And the reporter, field journalist who came on, not one of the anchors, she was fine, totally fine, by the way.
	And there was a question that they asked me.
	And, you know, when you go into one of these interviews with anyone, with any outlet, with any journalism platform, you have to think, well, who am I speaking to, right?
	Because all of the audiences are bifurcated now and trifurcated and quadricated because there's no one single mono culture, mono audience.
	Like, like Laura, when you were on CBS, you could, you know, 60 minutes used to set the tone for everyone.
	It was the nation's leader in terms of stories, in terms of news, but now it's all totally separated.
	Who you listen to determines your worldview, determines your views.
	And so you may hate your neighbors, even though they might look like you, they might sound like you, they may go to the same schools that you do, they shop at the same places that you do, but you completely hate them because you listen to a different form of media and you take your worldview from them.
	Of course, she's not talking about any of the listeners.
	I'm talking about the other side.
	But so I know this is going out to the CNN audience, which is a different group of people what I usually speak to.
	But I wasn't really thinking about it at the time, but I'm sure that I'll be probably not going to be invited back.
	And I had a question about this.
	And this is because two days after Shop Tower.
	And they asked me a question.
	We're in the turning point.
	This is the first time I've been back to the building since Charlie was murdered.
	And my wife was sitting aside.
	She's right there, by the way.
	Tanya Sayers is here today in support.
	And thank you for being here, Darwin.
	And they said, are we in a civil war?
	Are we headed for a civil war?
	And there was a real question.
	And I think there was a question at the time of, you know, will this political violence beget more political violence?
	And will this historic cycle that we've seen, a download cycle, which is extremely dangerous, will it play out again?
	Is it playing out again right before our eyes?
	And I looked at her and I said, we are seeing asymmetric civil warfare breaking out across the country.
	And if you don't believe me, go ask my friend because he's in a box right now for speaking truth.
	Charlie Kirk wasn't murdered because he lied.
	Charlie Kirk was murdered because he told the truth.
	And he told the truth to people that never would have otherwise heard it.
	And because they couldn't beat him in debate, because they couldn't beat him on the facts, because they couldn't beat him in terms of his reach, which was growing exponentially every single day.
	They tried to silence her.
	But let me tell you, Far, they absolutely failed because of all the people in this room, because all the people who saw what happened, because the thousands upon thousands of students and young people, a few generations of Gent D and even Gen Alpha, if you can believe it or not, that saw what happened are never going to forget the murder of Charlie Kirk.
	But going out there into the modern public swear.
	What could be more of the modern public swear than going on to a polished campus and debating all of these issues in public?
	And I thought something that was really interesting that actually just occurred to me recently because so I also, in addition to working with Fernifor, I work with post-millennial human events and our editor in G, Libby Emmons, is also here with us.
	And she does an incredible job every single day working in independent media to do the verification, to do the truth and to make sure that everything that gets put out is true.
	And of course, the media is very upset with us because not only do we have White House passes now, but we are now part of the new Pentagon press corps because they didn't want to follow the rules.
	So we have now replaced the legacy media inside the Pentagon.
	And the New York Times asked me yesterday, he said, you know, how are you going to report?
	And I said, well, I'm going to tell the truth.
	And I know that's a radical for you guys here, but we're just going to tell the truth about what's actually going on in our government, in the military, in the national security base, and everywhere, the same way we do every single day, and the same way we always have.
	But one of the things that was kind of existential and interesting for us is that we're in a situation now where we're doing our job every day, try to report the news, tell people what's going on, tell the truth.
	But in this case, our colleague, our friend, the leader of Turning Point is his death is a murder eats the news.
	And we're following the case, we're following all the updates.
	And there was this buried line that came out, I think it was last Friday in one of the filings.
	And we're not going to get too technical, but this will illustrate, I think, what we're all talking about here.
	The lawyers for Tyler Robinson, the suspect escapes, just put up a quiolant to say they want to ban Hamros from the courtroom in the Charlie Kirk murder phase.
	And I thought about this and they said, well, we have to do it because of privacy.
	So we have to do it because of privacy.
	And I have obviously emotional reaction to this, but I thought about the issue, right?
	The right to privacy.
	This is a right.
	This is a right that we want in a free society.
	But then Libby Evans wrote something.
	I want her to put a spot back on her prosecutor because it was so beautiful what she wrote.
	She said, Charlie Kirk didn't have a say in whether or not his murder would be public.
	Only his assassin had a say in that.
	And therefore, Charlie Kirk's trial or trial of the murder of Charlie Kirk should also be done in public the same way that his murder was.
	So if Human Events just filed a submission with that courtroom in Utah, completely opposing this ban and saying that we are going to come down and oppose this, we're going to get lawyers involved if we have to to make sure that everyone has a full open and accounting of the situation, every single piece of evidence.
	And we got human events, the postponel, I'm happy to announce Court TB just came in and is also supporting the effort now.
	And so this is growing.
	It's going to continue to grow because the public has a right to know.
	The public has a right to know everything.
	And this, and I thought about this.
	I said, you know what?
	This is the difference between a free society and a closed society.
	And Ava, the society that you're talking about, it doesn't sound very free.
	It doesn't sound very open at all.
	And the difference is, because when you say you have a courtroom in your pork, you have your lawyer, you have your bossic beater, you have your defense, you have the judge.
	But when you have cameras rolling and you have the doors open, and even here in federal court today, and as General Flynn knows, the federal courtroom does have the ability to members of the public to go and attend.
	This is one of our oldest traditions, and it is one of our best traditions that justice should be done in public.
	Justice should be done before the people.
	And if you have something to tell that you shouldn't be able to hide it, you should put it out because that is a check on the entire system by the people in a free society.
	And this very transparency is the line.
	It's the absolute line that you draw between a free society and a sopoletarian society.
	Because in a free society, who has the power?
	The people.
	The people had the power and the people had a right to know.
	And all of these issues come into bear there because you think, of course, the public has a right to know.
	Of course the public should have a check on the system because the public ultimately, ultimately is the backstop of every single system of media, of power, journalism, government, of corporate power in the entire world.
	You are nothing without the people.
	Those are the people who should be in power.
	And if we are going to be truth tellers and if we are going to continue to fight for the legacy of Charlie Kirk, then we have to do the same thing that he always did, empower people, share the information with people, share truth with people, share his platform with people like he did every single day.
	He allowed me even onto his platform for some reason.
	And he would allow, all of us, all of us would go to turning point events and be up there.
	And James would have these elaborate musical performances.
	But it was multimedia and push the boundaries and interact with people in ways that you never thought possible.
	That's what Charlie was all about.
	And another piece that I think that I've come to appreciate a little bit more was that Charlie never lost sight.
	Even in the rise of digital, even in the rise of social media, and of course, Charlie was on every social media, dominated every single platform he ever even thought about.
	He never lost sight of trying to connect with people in person in the physical space on those campuses.
	And when he would bring someone up to the front, and he would always say this, and we saw JD and Erica were down at University of Mississippi Old Miss last night.
	10,000 people came out last night, by the way.
	We had 7,000 in Montana.
	We had Nebraska.
	We had India and thousands upon thousands.
	Biggest events we've ever had.
	But Charlie, we didn't care about the numbers.
	If there was someone in front of him, he would care about that person.
	And for that moment, he would even tell people, say, hey, hey, don't heckle.
	Don't cut them off.
	Don't yell.
	I want to connect with this person individually in real life, not through a screen.
	Jack is a great guy.
	He's written a fantastic book.
	Everybody's talking about it.
	Go get it.
	And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event.
	And we're going to turn it around and make our country great again.
	Amen.
	And I think in so many ways, this is the negative side, right, of independent media and social media, because when we do things through the virtual space, when we do things on these little pieces of glass that we carry around in our hands and in our pockets every day, we lose sight of the fact that there's a real person on the other side, right?
	Before AI takes over, of course.
	And The person who shot Charlie Kirk didn't think of Charlie Kirk as a real person.
	This was someone, and assuming that this is correct and this is this aspect, this is someone who, when you look at how disassociated this young man was, Berger Ferdo forgave in an incredible act of Christian charity.
	But if you look at how disassociated he was from reality, he was someone who was involved, yes, in a transsexual relationship with a man.
	He is someone who was involved with extreme pornography, which included, by the way, transhumanist pornography where he was watching simulators that allowed him to pretend he was a furry.
	And so he would participate as a sort of half-animal, half-human hybrid performing extreme sexual acts on other furries.
	And this was a game that he played in his airtime.
	So total disassociation with reality and throwing himself into this internet-based personality.
	This is a real threat.
	This is one of the biggest threats of our time is that if we forget about the real world, if we forget about reality, if we forget about truth, if we forget about meeting one another as an individual and totally throw ourselves into these internet-based identities, which are false identities, which are not godly ordained identities, which are not identities that are provided to us by our creator, then that is where the devil will steep in.
	That is where the demonic will seep in.
	And that is the trap.
	And that is the biggest trap of all.
	And that's why I realized that Charlie focused so much on bringing people back to the physical space and bringing people together.
	And I'll end with this, that I realized too, that because of what Libby wrote, the fact that Charlie was murdered on live stream, think about that.
	It wasn't just an attack on Charlie.
	It wasn't just an attack on Western culture and Western civilization.
	It was even an attack on independent media, the fact and everyone who consumes it.
	Because if you were watching that live stream, and I don't even have to ask for, you know, people to raise their hands.
	I know you've all seen the video.
	I know you've all seen it.
	And I know that Charlie's kids will see it one day.
	This little girl and this little boy who are so young, they have no idea what's going on.
	It's an attack on us, and it was designed to be an attack on us through social media.
	So we need to become wary as well when we are consuming this, that these are new attack vectors on all of us that we need to build not just physical defenses of, but psychological and spiritual defenses of as well.
	And that's why everything that Charlie did and what we're trying to do even more and more is to put God at the center of every single thing that we do because nothing that comes from God can be bad and everything that comes from Satan is.
	Wow, wow.
	Unbelievable.
	Earlier, and you guys weren't here, I listed off a group of character traits of what I felt from these people that I have gotten to know over the many years.
	And one of them has to do with courage and passion.
	And you saw that up here, you know, and I know that you have a couple other people, but those that have already spoken today, but this idea of unifying under some umbrella, right?
	And really the umbrella is our ability to be able to speak freely about what we want, what we believe in, right?
	Our country, our faith, right?
	The freedoms that we cherish that many, many have sacrificed for.
	One of the things, and Lara is actually, there's a reason why I'm up here today, and we're here today because her and I, a couple of years ago, she and Sukhov didn't even remember the conversation, but I do.
	We talk about figuring out how do we grasp what has happened in the world of the media.
	And we had a long conversation about the Washington, D.C. Correspondence Bureau and the failure of that organization, frankly, because they'd given up the truth.
	And so the main points, and they just talked about it, it's to be truthful, be accurate, and be responsible.
	I mean, if you think about that, be yourself, right?
	Use good common sense.
	So, you know, I know everybody's got busy lives here.
	I particularly appreciate you guys being here and being part of this and doing what you're doing because what you're seeing is this is a tectonic shift in the world of information, okay?
	And that's a world that I am very familiar with.
	And we are going through this very, very historic move that is causing the world to go in a different direction.
	And Jack, I mean, we're not really going to talk too much about it today.
	That'll be something down the road, is artificial intelligence.
	I mean, he highlighted it a little bit.
	The world of artificial intelligence, right?
	I mean, and so that's another aspect of being able to discern.
	You know, you used the word, we heard the word discernment, and Lara used it as well.
	This idea about discernment, which is take it to me, I just take it as take a deep breath, take a step back, you know, understand what it is that you're hearing and seeing.
	What is it that are, you know, what values you have that kind of will synthesize all that information together and then respond, right?
	Instead of like you were talking about, we're very sort of fluid online.
	Sometimes we repost things, you know, we do things that are, you know, they're just to make us feel good.
	But actually, we are going to face trials here, right?
	We're going to face trials here.
	I know in our country, we're going to face trials here in the coming weeks, coming months.
	We don't know.
	But when we do, it's this body because the other side of what we're facing is what Eva talked about.
	And what we heard earlier from Ukraine.
	I mean, the other side of what we're talking about, it doesn't exist.
	Freedom doesn't exist, right?
	And it happened all over the world.
	I'm telling you, there's no, actually, I tell pastors, I tell castors, look, you ought to be talking about politics in our country from the pulpit because the only reason you can talk from the pulpit about your religion is because of something called the Constitution.
	So you can't, you know, like, let's get with it.
	No, so I know there's a little things, and Trump actually did us all a favor with, you know, kind of minimizing the Johnson Act.
	So that's helpful.
	But, you know, Eva's talked about it, and Don's talked about it with what we're already seeing in the United Kingdom, you know, in the Netherlands, Italy, I mean, across the world, Ukraine, and trying to figure out because things happen, and now all of a sudden, you know, they begin to happen here.
	I don't know where we're going to end up.
	I don't know where we're going to end up.
	But without fighters, without courageous fighters, and that's kind of, you know, all of you that are in this space, right?
	It's courage, it's passion, it's entrepreneurial spirit.
	It's having that, right?
	It's doing the right thing.
	And I forget which one of you talked about, oh, James did.
	Very, very powerful.
	We didn't catch it.
	You know, he basically said Psalm 23, right?
	Yea, that I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for thou art with me, right?
	I mean, I've said this before, and I'm stealing a little bit of time here.
	This country, I used to talk, and I've been doing it for the last number of years.
	I've lived it.
	We're not on the precipice.
	We are in the valley of the shadow of death.
	And the way I describe it is I say we have two choices.
	That's it.
	Not 50 choices.
	You have two.
	One, you can sell your soul.
	Okay, and you can go for the bright light, shiny thing, right?
	Or you can take the very difficult path, which is a very dim light.
	And it's a long journey out of that valley.
	Okay?
	I'm getting chills because I have been there.
	And when you think about just these four, and of course, you know, others that we've had here represented already, and some of you, but these are people who have been in that valley.
	And it's like, you know, like my mother would say, get off your knees and get out there.
	Go do something, right?
	And so these are people that are warriors, fighters in that valley.
	And I am so, you know, grateful for you guys for taking the time and just being here, all right?
	Everything that you're doing.
	So God bless.
	Bring your night there.
	And remember, we're winning.

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