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Tyler Robinson Lawyers Motion to Ban Cameras From the Charlie Kirk Murder Case
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The man accused of assassinating conservative political activist Charlie Kirk was back in court today.
22-year-old Tyler Robinson appeared virtually in Utah, but he did not show his face.
Today, that judge granted a motion to appear in street clothes moving forward, but denied his request to appear without restraints.
The judge said that there were some safety concerns, and also the charges against him are very, very serious.
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Well, folks, as you know, we've been covering the murder of Charlie Kirk since literally the very moment that it happened here on Human Events Daily.
I was live the day that Charlie was shot.
Go back and watch the episode.
I haven't gone back and watched that episode.
I don't know that I will or any of the episodes that we did, you know, in those days.
But we've done it.
We've done it.
We've been doing it every day.
We are here.
And in this case, we have an update.
We have an update on the Tyler Robinson trial.
Now, this comes from the lawyers here at the courtroom in Tyler Robinson's case that are working for him, and that's fine.
He's got his lawyers.
He'll have his day in court.
But here's something that's not fine.
And I understand that they are advocating for their client.
But this goes beyond that.
In the fourth Judicial District Court of Provo for the County of Utah, state of Utah, the defendants replied to sheriff's response to motion to appear at all in-person proceedings in civilian clothing without restraints and random in support.
Okay, so these are the lawyers, Catherine Nestor, Richard Novak, Michael Burt, and Stacey Visser.
They came in and, you know, if you read the headline and they said, okay, it's just, you know, he just doesn't want to be in, he wants to be in person.
He doesn't want to be in the prisons.
He wants to travel over there for the in-person proceedings, pre-trial.
And he wants to be in civilian clothing.
Okay.
He wants to be in civilian clothing.
All right.
But then when you scroll way, way, way down in the filing, what do we find?
They want cameras taken out of the courtroom.
They want cameras out of the courtroom in the Charlie Kirk murder case.
They don't want any what they call electronic media coverage.
Electronic media coverage?
Listen to this.
Listen to this.
The court should limit media coverage or video and photographic coverage at the least so defendant's physical appearance is no longer the subject of interest and he has some chance of securing a fair and impartial jury.
So they're trying to say, they're now trying to say that showing the defendant is prejudicial to just showing him, just showing him as a defendant.
So what they're doing here is they're trying to play games with the case, play games with all of this, and get to the point where, and now listen to this.
They want television cameras to not be allowed in the courtroom of the criminal case or where television news crews are quote unquote turned loose on those eager to obtain fame or fortune concerning a pending guys.
Now, this is absolutely incorrect.
This is the wrong way to do this.
I understand what they're saying.
And I'm going to be fair here.
I'm going to be absolutely fair.
As someone who, look, Charlie is a friend of mine, very good friend of mine.
I would not be able to be on the jury in this case, right?
Because I am directly impacted by the crime question here.
So I would not be allowed to be on the jury.
The same reason that family members are not allowed to be on juries.
But that being said, I do want there to be a fair trial.
I really do.
And the fair trial does not change because you see a picture of Tyler Robinson.
It changes when you get the evidence, all the evidence, and all of it in public.
Now, by the way, not just for the fairness of the trial, but for the good of the country, for the public interest.
And so I announced earlier today, and I'll say here as well: Human Events is currently preparing an open letter that we will be filing with the court in Utah calling for an opposition to this ban and the allowance of full live streaming and full camera access for the entire proceedings of the trial.
We'll get into that and more later on with Will Chamberlain.
We've got Mike Benz up next.
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And we've also been talking about left-wing networked violence.
Participated in a White House panel discussion, a roundtable on that.
But there is one man who I believe, there's a lot of people who could have been there and should have been there, et cetera.
But there's one man that I definitely wanted in that room.
And though he wasn't there that day, I wanted to kind of pick his brain on this because he's an absolute expert on the networks, on the money, on connecting the dots.
And his name is Mike Benz.
He joins us now.
What's up, Mike?
How are you doing, Chad?
Great to see you.
So, Benz, we spent a lot of time while we were in there talking about, you know, for my part, I talked about how the violence is getting worse, how we see these tactics moving now more towards assassinations as opposed to the traditional black bloc protests or the violence against, you know, a random Starbucks or random cars, that type of thing.
We're now seeing more and more targeted violence, including asymmetric threats such as assassinations.
I even went on CNN and walked them through this.
I'm not sure if they understood, but I tried to do what I could to explain it to CNN.
But, Benz, when we hear the response from these types, they say, well, Antifa is decentralized.
There's no network there.
That's just a group of people organically fighting fascism.
Is that true?
Not even in the slightest.
Go to any one of these Antifa websites, although they're getting rarer and rarer as so many of them are starting to shut down right now to try to hide their own secrets.
But they all have.org as their websites.
The Portland Antifa site is a.org.
The Torch Antifa site is a.org.
The Seattle cell is a.org.
Jack, what is org short for?
That's short for organization or specifically nonprofit organization.
Yes, these are organized organizations.
This is not some ethereal metaphysical idea.
They are organized organizations.
And they operate through a cluster cell network, which is the part and parcel of how we do influence operations abroad.
And this kind of gets to the broader Antifa story.
Antifa is an international network.
And one way to understand it, and to try to depoliticize it a little bit for a second here, there were very radical, right-wing, decentralized cluster cells of networks for political influence operations and brass knuckles, breaking up meetings, acts of domestic terrorism that were conducted in the 20th century under what's known today as Operation Gladio.
This was a NATO network of stay-behind groups, paramilitary street militias in Italy, in Central and Eastern Europe.
There were dozens of these cluster cells that were organized in a decentralized fashion, where it brought together basically captains of industry, government regulators, international aid organizations, and then violent political,
at the time, right-wing anti-communist forces that were secretly working with the Central Intelligence Agency and NATO's political affairs units in order to nudge domestic politics country by country in the emerging soup of the democratic turbulence post-World War II from the 1940s to the early 1990s.
And this was done because we were fighting a Cold War against international communism.
And these stay-behind networks, which were licensed to do dirty work and were on the ground in the streets, were essentially sanctioned by U.S. and NATO intelligence to do a Department of Dirty Tricks of violent activities often in order to stop the emergence of left-wing communism.
I believe the best way to understand Antifa and its various connective tissues at the foundation level, at the nonprofit level, and at the U.S. government level is as a left-wing counter-populist faction organized with a very similar structure and for a very similar purpose that the right-wing anti-communist cluster cells were set up internationally during the Cold War.
The difference is the American people have not known until just the past few years that this type of structure even existed, or that we were even in a kind of second Cold War against international Trumpism in the way that there was an initial Cold War against international communism.
And so you've got these leave-behind networks, you've got them bounced out.
And by the way, and you and I have talked about this, that's exactly what I told the president when I was in the room.
I pointed out that all of this goes back to World War II.
It even predates World War II.
If you look at the way that Antifa was used as the international arm of the Bolsheviks to destabilize countries like revolutionary Spain and like the Weimar Republic.
And certainly we all saw what the destabilization of the Weimar Republic turned into if you go back to the 1920s, 1930s.
But it was always meant to be the international arm of the revolution, funded by the Russian people, funded by looting the Russian treasury.
Until you fast forward that to the Cold War era, and they were using it for the exact same thing.
So, when President Trump brought up that question, should they be designated a foreign terrorist organization?
You'll notice that I was the first one.
I said, yes, Mr. President, absolutely.
They have networks all across Western Europe.
And in fact, people are looking at it a little bit backwards if they think that Antifa started here.
No, no, no.
Antifa started in Western and Eastern Europe and then came to the United States, not the other way around.
That's why these leave-behind networks are so important, and that's the way they were set up in the very first instance.
That's exactly right.
And it's a seamless interchange, as you've covered.
Mark Bray is the Antifa professor at, I believe, Rutgers, and then as soon as he feels he's running into legal trouble, tries to flee to Spain to join up with cluster networks there.
And there is this kind of, I think Michael Lodenthal, another Antifa professor and organizer, described in one of his books, he called it networked clandestine, clandestine clandestine, this kind of secrecy and this cluster cell organization they refer to as a network of networks.
This is the exact same language, by the way, that NATO used during the Integrity Initiative, where they targeted right-wing nationalist forces in Spain.
Pedro Baños, famously, his nomination to be the security director, the military head in Spain, was nuked by a clandestine operation by NATO called the Integrity Initiative, of which, according to the documents, both Ann Applebaum and Nina Jankovic were a part of.
They were part of the UK Intercluster Cell of this NATO-funded secret influence network.
And if you look country by country in Europe and around the world, it is impossible to disentangle the goals of Antifa and the goals of the Joe Biden, Barack Obama, CIA, State Department, and USAID.
Look at, for example, what Antifa does in Germany, targeting the AFD part, the AFD party, the right-wing populist party there.
Look at what they do in Spain, targeting the Vox Party.
Look at what they do in France, targeting Marine Le Pen.
Look at what they do in Brazil, targeting Bolsonaro.
Look at what they do in Belarus, targeting Lukashenko.
It is impossible to see a lick of daylight between the foreign policy goals of the Central Intelligence Agency under Joe Biden and Barack Obama and the on-the-ground domestic political actions of Antifa as a kind of street muscle.
It's all the way down to the political commercial investments of the political donors to the DNC.
As George Soros and Bill Gates and Tom Steyer and Al Gore and all of these billionaires with multi-billion dollar assets under investment management funds are promoting things like climate change and shifting profits within the energy, the global energy market, to portfolio companies that require government mandates to wean off of fossil fuels and into renewables or ethanol-based fuels.
George Soros and Al Gore and Tom Steyer and this entire DNC investor class are pre-invested in those markets while Antifa serves as an eco-fascist battering ramp to promote those stocks.
The same thing in the public health space.
Look at how Antifa breaks up anti-vaccine protests.
They're the paramilitary arm of Pfizer.
Exactly.
And they don't even realize it half the time because they aren't in that part of the cluster.
We're coming up on a quick break, but I just want to point out that not only did Mark Bray head over to Spain, seamlessly integrate with Spanish anarchists, which exactly what we saw during the Spanish Civil War, he's publicly identified himself as part of the Black Rose Anarchist Federation.
He stated this, and he stated that he participated in the Hamburg attack on the G20, where they were burning cars.
And he specifically talked about how he was targeting luxury vehicles to make sure they didn't burn any working-class cars, only wanted to target those of the wealthy.
Again, this is a guy who's now taking Dr. Antifa, who's taking a taxpayer-funded vacation to Spain.
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We're talking about these networks, international networks of Antifa.
They've got journalists, they've got reporters, they've got professors, they've got direct action militants and agitators.
The question is, what should the federal government be doing and where should they be looking in terms to break up these networks, to disrupt these operations, and ultimately to stop these activities from destroying our society like the cancer that it is?
I consider Antifa and U.S. government adjacencies to it to be part of the weaponization toolkit that the Biden administration used that spanned lawfare, FBI targeting and the like.
I consider paramilitary street violence and the condoning of it or the tactical tacit blessings for it to be a part of that weaponization toolkit.
And Tulsi Gabbard, ODNI, just stood up an interagency working group on weaponization of intelligence and foreign affairs type functions.
This spans ODNI, CIA, State Department, USAID, FBI, DHS, and other equities.
I believe that, for example, search terms can be inputted into internal searches at USAID, the State Department, the Central Intelligence Agency, and you can start right there and simply put in terms like Antifa or anti-fascist or authoritarian in these type terms and start with a basic review of all files around, for example, energy policy in Germany.
The Biden administration blew up the Nord Stream pipelines.
The Antifa groups in Germany were champing at the bit for that and have been used as a battering ram against the AFD party there.
We were giving tens of millions of dollars in aid to various organizations within Germany.
You can start right there and simply look for all Antifa adjacencies blessed by the foreign policy establishment or used or even had peripheral awareness by CIA, State Department, USAID, with Antifa networks that were going against those agencies' political enemies.
I think it is impossible that there are no linkages there.
You start with that and you make it sunlight, the best disinfectant.
These networks rely on secrecy.
Now, what you'll hear from the National Security State is, oh, you can't disclose the involvement of the U.S. government and Antifa in Germany because then no other dissident group will want to work with the United States knowing that their cover will be blown because the U.S. government betrayed these Antifa groups by disclosing internal memos and conversations with various leaders on the ground.
I say that is complete BS.
If you use this as a sword abroad, for example, if you use Antifa networks to go after the AFD party in Germany or Maureen Le Pen's movement in France, you can't use that secrecy as a shield at home because Antifa operates here at home.
So I think it starts with taking the lid off of the den of vipers, the cage that they've been with classification, and simply exposing the snakes inside to sunlight.
Given the layers of secrecy in OPSEC that Antifa moves through, that itself will have a tremendous on-the-ground impact in those countries themselves, potentially violating FARA-type laws.
If these were not disclosed in accordance with each country's process.
For example, we know that Syria units were, according to Rolling Stone, the closest allies on the ground of the U.S. military in Syria as we were backing the ISIS and al-Qaeda forces against Bashar al-Assad.
We know because the military was working directly with these Antifa units, we know that there is connective tissue between the U.S. military, the Central Intelligence Agency, and Antifa in Syria.
Does anyone doubt those linkages in Germany or France or in other European and Latin American countries?
And Mike, by the way, those linkages that you're talking about, the foreign fighter flows that we saw traveling to YPG and other affiliates, it wasn't just America and Antifa that were coming.
They were sourcing them from Germany.
They were sourcing them from Greece.
They were using that area of northeastern Syria as a training ground for Antifa to receive battlefield experience.
And in fact, I know of at least one individual who received that battlefield training and then traveled back to the in 2019, then traveled back to the United States to participate in what?
The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone, where he was manning the armed barricades in Chaz in Seattle just a year later.
That's right.
They go straight from targeting the CIA's enemies abroad to the CIA's political enemies here at home.
That's how this international network works, and the capacity building for it moves through foundations.
And this is really the layer that I think would break this whole thing open.
You take a place like the Tide Center, the Tide Center, which gives the 501c3 to the Black Lives Matter Global Action Group and to many of these Antifa funding pass-throughs.
The Tide Center, as I've documented, has gotten about $27 million in U.S. State Department and U.S. aid grants for some very peculiar things, including the Tide Center getting a $2.5 million grant to, quote, secure concrete commitments from foreign governments on behalf of the U.S. State Department.
And this is the group that is giving the 501c3 to a non-profit status, the fiscal sponsor to these Antifa groups and these BLM street muscle groups in 2020.
How is this foundation serving as the shadow diplomat formerly for the U.S. government internationally and getting funded?
They need tens of millions of dollars to do it.
Investigated.
Mike Benz, Mike Benz.
We need all those records declassified.
Declassify all of it.
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This letter that is now in draft form is about to be published, but we've got a copy of it that I want to show here right for you, humanevents.com.
So Human Events Media Group, that's the official name of our company, is going to be publishing this open letter to the Honorable Tony F. Graf Jr. of the 4th District Court of Utah County, state of Utah.
And it states, Human Events Media Group, a national news organization committed to transparent and accountable reporting, respectfully urges this court to deny any motion to prohibit video, photographic, or live stream coverage of pretrial and trial proceedings in the Capitol prosecution of Tyler James Robinson for the murder of conservative activist and leader Charlie Kirk.
Such a ban would violate U.S. law, U.S. Supreme Court precedent, First Amendment protections, and the public's fundamental right of access to judicial proceedings.
I know we've got all the citations there, but I wanted to dig in on two specific points before we bring our guest in here.
And this is Utah Code of Judicial Administration Rule 4-401.01.
And here's what's really interesting.
It states that in Utah, there is a presumption that electronic media coverage by a news reporter shall be permitted in public proceedings where the predominant purpose of the electronic media coverage request is journalism or dissemination of news to the public, the law states.
A court may decline to permit cameras if the court determines, quote, there is a reasonable likelihood that media coverage will prejudice the right of the parties to a fair proceeding.
So here's the idea, that the presumption is already there under Utah law.
Now, this is very expensive compared to other states that don't necessarily have this.
And so restricting camera access, restricting live streaming, obviously would be a huge problem.
And pretrial publicity alone does not justify camera bans.
We cover that in this.
We're going to publish this all at humanevents.com.
And here's a piece that I wanted to put in.
In section 4, we wrote, banning cameras would amplify misinformation, not reduce it.
In the absence of official courtroom footage, speculative secondary content on YouTube or AI-generated reenactments, partisan edits would fill the void.
This would stand to increase, not decrease, prejudicial distortion.
Live, unedited coverage is the most reliable antidote to misinformation, allowing the public to see proceedings as they occur, not as filtered through third-party narratives.
And so this is all going to go up at humanevents.com.
We're going to be delivering this to the court very soon.
It's really simple.
Look, I want everyone to have all of the evidence available.
I want everyone to ask for evidence.
I want people to be skeptical.
I want people to ask questions and push for it.
But what I don't want are bans on cameras and bans on evidence that could be coming out.
Joining with me to discuss this and other legal matters, Will Chamberlain of the Article 3 Project.
Will, what's going on, man?
Good to be with you, Jack, as always.
So, Will, I called you this morning with this crazy idea that we were going to throw together this letter and we've put it together.
You know, what do you think about this question?
And I kind of get where the judge is coming from, or I should say not the judge, but the attorneys are coming from.
So, they're trying to, their argument is, well, if we allow all this public consumption, he's not going to be able to have a fair trial because this is going to prejudice the jury pool and perhaps create undue interest in the case.
And therefore, you know, and therefore, you know, that's why we should ban cameras.
And you also, of course, hear this in federal court as well.
What's a good response to that?
Well, I think that there's a fundamental presumption that these proceedings are open to the public, right?
Courthouses are open.
They can be reported on.
Court, you know, people show up and report on them all the time.
And there's a reason for that.
Justice is supposed to be done in public so that we're confident that the system is transparent and operating as according to law.
That's, I think, necessary here.
There's an enormous public interest in this trial for obvious reasons.
And therefore, there's also an enormous public interest in ensuring that the trial is conducted transparently and scrupulously in accordance with law.
So I think that that's part of the reason why these proceedings should be public.
And the public has right to be interested in this.
This was the most high-profile assassination of an American in a very, very long time, probably since Kennedy, actually, in terms of a successful assassination.
So it's something we should have the right to see.
Yeah, and it's really as simple as that to me.
And look, these are always done in public.
And that's part of our tradition in terms of the public court system.
If it is public justice, yes, it is meant to be done in public.
And by the way, for folks who don't know, if you ever, and I've covered a number of trials, D.C. area, I've covered trials in Virginia, you can just go.
You can literally just go.
And there are members of the public who just show up.
And this is part of the point.
And obviously, there's space restrictions and physical limitations, but there will be overflow rooms if there are cases.
There are media rooms if you're credentialed media, et cetera.
All of this is done from the point of saying that if this person is to face whatever judgment they receive, and in this case, we are talking about the highest possible judgment in the entire world, that yes, actually it should be done in public or else it's going to,
and Will, I wanted to ask your question or get your sense on the other part is if you turn those cameras off in today's society, which is driven with or riven with AI recreations and all sorts of just anything that anyone can do, I really think it's going to create a much worse environment for the trial.
Yeah, so I think a good comparison would be what went on in the Chauvin trial and the Rittenhouse trials, where you had public live streaming and everybody was able to watch and critique it.
In general, I think the judges in both of those cases did really well.
If you actually look back and think, I don't necessarily approve, I don't like the outcome of the Chauvin case.
I think Chauvin was innocent, but I don't think the judge did anything obviously wrong in terms of the way he was handling evidence, at least nothing that comes to mind.
And I certainly think the judge in the Rittenhouse case did a great job.
So compare that to how the judges conducted themselves in the state court trials of President Trump, both in the civil matter involving his organization that LaChisha James brought and in the criminal trial for the false statements.
I think that those judges, both of them, were wildly out of pocket.
And I think part of the reason they were able to behave so out of pocket is because they didn't allow the proceedings to be live streamed and their decisions to be critiqued so aggressively.
And another one, by the way, recently, to take politics out of it in a sense, is the Brian Koberger trial, which took place up in Idaho, the murder of those four sorority girls.
This was a case that generated enormous public interest.
There was a huge amount of publicity surrounding it.
And yet there was no problem whatsoever with people being able to have access to that case.
And it didn't affect the outcome of the case one way or the other.
Yeah.
I mean, I think the, you know, what's the big fear?
What are you trying to protect with any sort of limitation on publicity or limitation on the ability of people to describe what's happening in the courtroom?
Well, you're trying to protect the integrity of the jury and you're trying to protect the extent to which the jury is considering evidence that's not been admitted into the record.
But whether or not you live stream trials, it really doesn't have that much of an effect on that.
Either the jury is going to pay attention to your instructions not to consume outside media about the case or they're not.
And if they do consume outside media about the case, they're going to get at least some sort of bastardized version of the internal reporting.
I mean, if they might as well get exactly what they, you know, rather than speculating or getting secondhand information, it doesn't really improve the situation if they're getting, or make it worse if they're getting the firsthand information.
So the real question is, can you prevent jurors from consuming outside media about the trial as it's ongoing so that they're only considering the evidence that's been admitted?
That problem just isn't implicated by live streaming.
Yeah, and there's a really, I believe this is from Richmond, Richmond newspapers, The Virginia 1980.
People in an open society do not demand infallibility from their institutions, but it is difficult for them to accept what they are prohibited from observing.
So, you know, it's, you know, the explicit guaranteed right to speak into publish concerning what takes place at a trial would lose much meaning, meaning if access to observe the trial could be foreclosed arbitrarily.
You know, and they're just, they're just really, you know, taking that idea of a public trial and broadening it out to, and again, this would be the television age or new media.
But again, the principle is something that has been around for hundreds of years, if not thousands of years, going back to even ancient Rome itself.
A public trial to be held in public.
You're right back, Jack Posobiec, Will Chamberlain, Human Events Daily.
Great guy.
He's written a fantastic book.
Everybody's talking about it.
Go get it.
And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event.
And we're going to turn it around and make her effectively get to him.
Amen.
All right, Jack Posobic.
We are on now with Will Chamberlain, an Article 3 project where he works with Mike Davis.
And we're going through this open letter that Human Events Media Group has issued in the case of Tyler Robinson and the state of Utah.
This is the murder trial of Charlie Kirk.
And it's a question.
It's a very simple question.
And by the way, I would have the same standard for pretty much any trial, regardless of whether or not it's one that I was involved in in the sense that I was friends with the victim, that I believe the public has a right to know.
And I believe that the public should know in these cases, whether it was Kyle Rittenhouse.
By the way, and we're on with Will Chamberlain.
We were talking about this.
Will, in fact, Kyle Rittenhouse is someone who reached out to me directly and said, you know, how can I help?
How can I be of assistance?
He showed up, just funny aside, because you brought him up.
He shows up at the Charlie Kirk Memorial and sends me a message, hey, Jack, I'm here outside.
He had never mentioned that he was coming.
I said, man, I could have got you like a special guest pass or something.
He just showed up.
He literally just drove there from Texas and was like, yep, I'm just here.
And, you know, everybody was, you know, because everybody was there to thank him for coming.
And, you know, people remember that I think it was just a couple of weeks after his acquittal that he appeared on stage with me and Charlie at the turning point.
I believe that was the first AmericaFest, the first Amfest.
And the media lost their minds because we gave him that sort of WWE intro with the cold sparks and everyone cheering.
And I remember going to Charlie with that idea and Charlie saying, oh, yeah, absolutely.
And I actually told Kyle.
So the week before, the weekend before the jury came back.
So the jury went out for one weekend and they were deliberating and then they had a weekend and then they came back with a ruling on a Monday.
And I think they still deliberated for a few days during the week.
But even the weekend they were out, I actually talked to Kyle on the phone.
This is before the ruling was in.
And I said, Kyle, a month from now, you're going to be with me and Charlie Kirk at Amfest.
And that's awesome.
And sure enough, we were.
Sure enough, we were.
He told me he was sitting around a fire somewhere somewhere outside of Kenosha.
That's awesome to hear.
And I think that's just cool that it was just cool that he showed up, right?
And you see the connection between Charlie really being the first person to say, no, like we are going to absolutely support Kyle Rittenhouse and we're going to support him, you know, and absolutely.
Obviously, there's an obvious case of self-defense.
And so it was great to see that, you know, that Kyle and obviously so many other people.
I just, that was just one story out of the millions that, you know, that are out there that I don't even know if I've told that publicly yet.
But hey, Kyle, I told everyone.
So there you go.
Charlie touched a lot of people, you know, and he was such a, you know, I haven't really had the great opportunity to talk about him personally.
I mean, certainly I knew Charlie.
He was, you know, very helpful to me.
And, you know, I think he was involved very much in both getting human events together and when I was running it and getting you on board as well.
So I think, you know, Charlie's, his loss is just enormous.
It's still rare.
You know, it's every day I think about it.
And, you know, it's really, really difficult to still have, not have Charlie around.
And in fact, by the way, that I remember there was a time where, you know, speaking of which, we held that, what was that, like roundtable, you know, discussion that we did the one time.
And I don't remember if you were even in this or not, because it was like me, Charlie Kirk, Andy No, Libby Emmons, and you may have not been in this roundtable, but Charlie spent like an entire day just sitting with us talking about this is my vision for human events.
This is how it can work.
This is how I want human events daily to run.
And in fact, Human Events Daily began life as a turning point USA show.
And then we, you know, we took it independent, but obviously still worked very closely with Charlie in order to be able to move Allen from the C3 restrictions on political speech.
And it's all because of Charlie, right?
You know, we would not have had any of that without him, the linkages that he was able to do, the bridge building that he was constantly doing behind the scenes in the movement saying, you know, this, this thing should exist.
Let's make it happen.
And then he'd sort of like, you know, without any credit, without his name on it or anything, and he would just, he would just put people together and then things would happen.
And I think that, you know, I think that we, you know, we kind of sit back and we talk about it, but we really did lose a big figure in terms of that.
And it's, it's something very clear that the left will continue to do this.
They'll continue to target people if we do not stop them from doing so.
And that's why, just from a personal perspective, that regardless of just knowing Charlie, that's why the Tyler Robinson case is so important and getting it.
We absolutely have to see justice done here and we have to see it done publicly.
I think it will be useful to put to bed some of the more ridiculous theories about what's happened here.
And what frustrates me so much about those theories is because they're distracting from the obvious and core truth that is so important for every conservative to internalize.
A leftist assassinated Charlie Kirk and a slew of other leftists celebrated it.
And we just need to remember that.
We need to get, I mean, that's so important for us to remember because it reminds us what the stakes of this actually are, what the stakes of our politics actually are.
And, you know, it's hard to forget that.
I think it's changed.
It's certainly changed the way I'm really tolerating sort of what I might have called, you know, antagonists on the left who I might have otherwise tolerated and engaged with.
But I look at some of their views or how they've responded to this.
I'm like, no, I'm not, I'm not even engaging with you anymore.
You're obviously just an adversary and we need to defeat you.
That's it.
There's no, you know, I don't see any good faith coming from you.
You, you had nothing to say about the assassination of my friend.
So that's it.
Yeah.
And then you hear, you see a guy like Momdami who gets up there and I'm just going to keep saying it.
The Momdami campaign to me sounds like radio Rwanda for white people.
I mean, he just says it over and over that this is black and brown people rising up to defeat white supremacy.
And this is something that Charlie was warning about in his last days and his last weeks was that, you know, there is this huge mass, you know, not nationwide, but certainly in select localities across the country like New York or maybe Minneapolis or Dearborn and others of people who have come in and they have they have no interest in doing right for everyone.
They're directly telling you, we are going to take down people that we view as quote unquote the enemy class, the target class, and we are going to take their stuff and give it to the people who are our supporters.
And that's about it.
And this kind of politics is, it's obviously resentment politics, but it's also very, very powerful and it's led to really bad outcomes in the past.
Yeah.
I mean, Mom Donnie is deeply anti-American.
I mean, you even saw AOC at the big Democratic rally speech basically say that everybody built New York City except white people when it was, you know, white Protestants who founded New York City.
It was called New Amsterdam for a reason.
I'm tired of a world where it's very obvious like who they think is the enemy and who they're willing to be violent against and whose deaths they're willing to mock.
Like it's you and me and it's other Republicans.
We're the enemy that they're willing to see dead.
That maybe they wouldn't pull the trigger themselves, but they shouldn't certainly wouldn't shed a tear if other people pulled the trigger against us.
And that's, you know, that needs to, every conservative needs to understand that, what the stakes are.
No, it's 100%.
And by the way, we are going to be seeing this Halloween because Halloween's coming up on Friday.
I'm just going to say we've already seen a few.
We're going to see more.
These leftists are going to be celebrating it.
They're going to be dressing as Charlie Kirk.
They're going to have, you know, plumes of blood spurting from their necks.
The freedom shirt is going to be everywhere, right?
There will probably even be, just, you know, screenshot it, right?
You know, there will be people who try to dress up as Erica, who do things like this to mock them.
And I'll simply put it like this.
Screenshot every single one of them.
Screenshot every single one of them.
Document them because we are going to make them famous.
We're going to make them absolutely famous.
And we're more than happy to do so.
Will Chamberlain, where can people go to follow you and get access to your work?
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Thank you so much.
All right, folks.
This Sunday in New Jersey, check me out.
I'll be at the Turning Point Action Super Chase event to get the ballots out on us.
That's this Sunday afternoon, Toms River, New Jersey.
We're going to be up there turning point action.
The first time deploying to New Jersey, the Garden State.
And by the way, if you're in the Garden State, if you know anyone in the Garden State, go vote.
Go vote right now.
New Jersey, vote.
New Jersey, vote.
Imagine living in New Jersey and not having voted yet.
Could you, can you live with yourself?
I don't know if I could.
So you got to get out there, be persistent and harass people.
