Oct. 17, 2025 - Human Events Daily - Jack Posobiec
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TRUTH: An Investigation That Supports The FBI’s Narrative On Charlie Kirk’s Assassination
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We are here live in Washington, D.C. And folks, you go and look at everything that's happening today.
You look at everything that's happening in our country, and we do have to take a step back.
Patriots are winning.
Today is October 2025.
And the Patriot surge is on.
Whether you look at what's happening in the um legal field on the legal front, we look what's happening with ice, we look what's happening with immigration, all of this comes together to show very clearly, Patriots are on the offense.
And it wasn't always like this.
In fact, it hasn't been like this for some time.
Typically, what you'll do is you'll see Republicans responding to evidence.
You'll see Republicans responding to narratives, stories, all sorts of stuff.
But instead, they won't actually be fighting back.
They won't actually be doing anything.
They won't actually be running the narrative.
They won't actually be pushing back.
Now it's time.
Now it's a hundred percent time.
Because here's the situation, folks.
We only have a little bit of time left.
The elections are in 18 days this year.
So when we're looking at the statewide elections in New Jersey, the statewide elections in Virginia.
Then We're also looking at the elections in a number of other states, New York City, by the way, where they just had that debate between Mamdani, they had that debate with Sliwa, the debate with Cuomo.
And I'm just gonna say it, folks.
It looks like Mandami's gonna win.
It really looks like this.
Demographics is destiny.
Demographics, the push for open borders, the push for allowing migrants after migrant to come into our country.
And we really have to ask ourselves two and a half decades after 9-11.
How is it possible that on a New York City debate stage, New York City debate stage, we get a question?
Why didn't you go to mosques as governor?
This question was going to Governor Cuomo.
And so you really sit there and you think, how is that possible?
How is it possible that such a question even gets asked?
Well, because the growth of the Muslim population.
The growth of the population has gotten to the point where Muslims in New York City now constitute a very serious voting demographic and a demographic, by the way, that the people of New York care about a lot.
And so this becomes asked.
See, you go back to the 1950s, what did you see in New York City?
You saw the three crosses of cavalry displayed across the New York City skyline on Good Friday.
That was the character of New York City.
That was the character of America.
It was Christian.
But through open borders, through demographic change, what have we seen?
We've now seen the open Christian character of America change.
And now America has become a place where there's plurality, where there's multiculturalism, and where the people who live in the in these vicinities, particularly New York City, have said, you know what?
We can we want to be multiple characters.
We want multiple cultures here.
So when you hear people like Cuomo, when you hear people like Sliwa referencing the previous culture of New York City, they're referring to old New York.
Mamdani, that's new New York.
And the question is, what do we want?
What do we want for America's greatest city?
Well, go look over at London.
Charlie Kirk was over in London, one of his last trips on Earth.
And when he came back from London, what did he say?
He said, London is becoming Islamic.
Something has changed, and London is becoming Islamic.
They've let all these Muslims in, and suddenly they're changing the character.
And guess what, folks?
London is just a few years ahead of where we are.
Folks, we'll be right back, Senator Marsha Blackburn joins us next.
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We are joined now, very honored to have on the program Senator Marsha Blackburn.
Senator, thank you so much for joining us.
Delighted to join you.
Thank you so much.
Well, and Senator, I appreciate you coming on.
And uh also wanted to say appreciated uh your kind words after everything that happened with uh with our good friend Charlie Kirk just one month ago.
Yes, and I saw you from a distance at uh the ceremony at the White House on Tuesday.
What a wonderful, wonderful event and so meaningful to have the president set aside this time to remember Charlie, his wonderful work, to honor his family and Erica,
and for the nation to be able to stand and uh hear those words from the president, from her, and to honor Charlie's commitment to freedom in this country.
Well, I appreciate that as well.
And that's right, there were so many people I wasn't able really to get everyone uh you know be have a chance to say hi to everyone, but I appreciated you being there.
And I know Charlie would have appreciated you being there because so many of the values that you fight for, so many of the things that you stand for and unabashedly stand for, not only in your state but in our country, are the very same things that Charlie fought for.
And it really boils down to those, you know, those three classics God, family, country.
Well, you're so right about that, and it was an honor for me to attend turning point events and to speak and to encourage others.
And it was thrilling for me to know that my grandsons now who were teenagers are uh such fans of turning point and followed so closely what Charlie had to say and uh bringing back that love of God family country, bringing back that optimism for hope and opportunity for all Americans.
Indeed, he was doing that and helping our nation to get back on track and to actually have a turning point where we look at those that constitutional underpinning,
those founding ideals, and recommit ourselves to making certain that we do have a country that is uh firmly planted on faith, family, freedom, and I add hope and opportunity to that so that future generations have those opportunities,
have hope for better days, and that we keep this great American experiment in freedom going.
Well, I think it's exactly right, and by the way, I want to just play a quick uh video here because unfortunately there's been some threats, not only to uh Charlie and what happened to Charlie, but even to you yourself.
Really, this is something that I think applies to you, applies to a number of senators, where it came in on Jack Smith and this question about how our federal government was weaponized to take out so many people.
Uh, and of course, we talked about the weaponization against President Trump.
We talked about the weaponization against many Trump supporters, but we had no idea that this was going to be used against sitting U.S. senators as well.
Senator uh guys, do we have that clip?
What we know is this that the FBI under Joe Biden and under Barack Obama, that they exercised activity that they had no authority to exercise.
And as Senator Hagerty mentioned, we know what they did in 2016 to the Trump transition team.
And now we find out that after the Mar-a-Lago raid, after the indictment of President Trump, they surveil us, people who support President Trump, members who were all Republicans,
but it shows you how out of control and rotten to the core and politics the FBI had become and how they had absolutely no problem at all whatsoever with political weaponization.
We appreciate the information we've gotten today.
We look forward to further investigation on this.
Senator, that was your words just a few days ago.
Walk us through what have you learned since then about this targeting of you personally by Jack Smith.
Yes, and Jack, it wasn't the first time in 2016 when I vice-chaired President Trump's transition, we found out then that the transition team was being spied on.
But the Biden DOJ would never give us any specifics about that.
Now, what we did find out was that they Spied on us after uh January 4th to January 7th of 2021.
The way they did that in May of 23, they sent a letter to our wireless carriers and demanded they had a subpoena and demanded our phone records.
Everybody we talked to where we were physically located when we either made or received a call, and every call and every number that came into us or went out from our phone during that period of time.
Now we also are looking at September.
It appears that there's the May date and there's also a September date.
In addition to this, I have sent a letter to uh the DC Bar regarding Jack Smith and his conduct and calling for a review by the DC Bar, filed a complaint with them.
In addition, five of my colleagues joined me on a letter to Attorney General Pam Bondi require requesting that DOJ begin an investigation into the conduct of Jack Smith.
And of course, he should be disbarred.
Uh the groundwork we are laying are things that would call for his disbarment.
And what we know is this is not only an invasion of privacy and uh an infringement of our free speech, but it is also an infringement of the speech and debate clause.
For a wireless company to give your records over and this is not something we're not criminals, we're not people that were a flight risk any of that.
What they did was to turn those records over, and it shows you how weaponized the CR-15 unit that Jack Smith used as he investigated President Trump, how how they were so politicized, and thank goodness Cash Patel has fired everybody that was affiliated with that unit.
Well, I I think that's that's absolutely fantastic that Cash Patel is finally fighting back and finally and and Senator, when it really comes down to it, it's you know, these people who say, oh, there's there's you know, President Trump is playing politics with with the Justice Department, and and I think it's actually the opposite.
I think what A. G. Bondy, what the U.S. prosecutors, and by the way, these are grand juries that have come out, uh, whether it be Bolton, whether it be Comey, whether it be uh Letitia James and these other cases, these are grand juries that have come out and filed the charges.
But what we're talking about here is having one standard of justice for everyone.
Isn't it just that simple?
It is indeed, and I am so pleased that that is one of the tenets that A. G. Bondi is working from every day one standard of justice.
And as she has come before us at Judiciary Committee, she continues to make that point.
And Jack, here is the thing rooting out these individuals that chose to weaponize the federal government against citizens.
And bear in mind, if they are doing this to eight sitting U.S. senators, think of what they're doing to other conservatives.
Indeed, we know that of the 92 organizations that they were looking at, Turning Point was one of those organizations.
The Republican uh state attorneys general association was another of the organizations they were looking at.
And as we look at what happened to the eight senators, the commonality there, and bear in mind we still do not have the predicate of why.
What we do know is the eight of us each are Republican, we each have supported President Donald Trump, and we each had valid concerns about the 2020 elections.
So that is The common thread for each of us that were placed under FBI surveillance.
And of course, this is the thread that we saw for every single one of his prosecutions, every single one of his targets, and it smacks of the political.
And it obviously does.
And I think we all knew this from the very start.
Senator, we're coming up on a hard break here.
I'd love to hold you over to talk more about this because people I think out there in the country are finally, finally pleased and getting and relieved to see their country be restored to balance when it comes to a equal set of rules, an equal standard, and an equal playing field when it comes to the justice system.
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Senator Marsha Blackburn, we're back on with you.
We were talking about the returning America, not just to a fair system of justice, but returning American fairness in general.
One of the things that President Trump I know is doing is focusing on law and order, focusing on crime, and one of the states that he's directly focusing on is the state of Tennessee, specifically the city of Memphis.
You have announced a run for governor in the state of Tennessee.
Congratulations, by the way.
Uh, talk to us about some of the crime problems that Tennessee is seeing in these major cities.
Yes, indeed.
And when Cash Patel came before our judiciary committee, and I visited with him prior to that, I told him, I said, you know, we need some help with the Memphis.
Here are the crime stats.
He committed privately and publicly to help me, and he has been true to his word.
And A. G. Bondy and President Trump have indeed come in and made Memphis a priority.
And Jack, what we want to do is make Memphis safe again.
It was the most dangerous city per capita in this country in 2024.
Memphis has had over 100 gangs.
But now, because of a surge the FBI did from mid-July to mid-September and now with 13 federal agencies, plus the Tennessee governor has the FBI, I mean the TBI, the Tennessee Highway Patrol, and the National Guard backing up the Memphis City Police.
They have taken over 1,000 of these gang members off the streets.
They are incarcerated.
Some of them are going uh to federal court.
And we have a good U.S. attorney, Mike Donovan, who is pushing forward with these cases.
We have found 44 missing children that were in some way being held or tied up with these gangs.
And what we're doing is making Memphis safe again.
And quite frankly, we think Memphis can be the model for how you move forward in fighting crime.
And President Trump is exactly right on how to do this, to go in to search these resources.
He has cleaned up Washington, D.C. And he is doing it in Memphis, and the mayor of Memphis is working with us.
So is the governor.
So is the police department.
And I think when you have that kind of broad-based cooperation, it is the way to get this crime under control.
And I'm certain that the residents of Chicago and New York and Minneapolis and some of these other cities that have gang problems are probably looking at Memphis and saying, hey, we would like to have a safe community like that.
Well, I couldn't agree with you more.
I'm from the Philadelphia area, and this is, you know, it's it it whenever I look at one of the cities like this.
You know, uh formative years growing up and being able to go to Philadelphia when it was still safe, when it was a great city.
There's so many of these great cities that have fallen and sunken into this pit of crime.
And so I love the fact that you focused on this in your own state.
Memphis, I mean, it's it's it's it's one of America's most quintessentially American towns, uh, you know, big little towns down there.
And and yet you you don't associate it with it with this horrific rise of violent crime.
And unfortunately, we're starting to see that uh rise up in Nashville as well and some of the other areas.
As as governor, you know, you're still um you're still about uh a year to go, but would you still be continuing to work with President Trump to fight all of these issues?
Oh, absolutely.
And when you look at the fact that blue cities and these Democrat mayors have and these city councils have been soft on crime and had cashless bail policies, and that makes the communities less safe.
But I can assure you, our first responders, our law enforcement, they know I'm going to have their back.
President Trump knows that I'm going to be working with him.
You know, Jack, one of the things I find absolutely so encouraging, and I know you are a believer in federalism and a reader of the Federalist Papers, and President Trump every single day is sending power, authority, responsibility back to the states and the people.
And what an exciting time to lead Tennessee through a reset as education comes back to the states and health care and energy and benefits and regulation and labor.
You look at all of these issues that never should have gone to Washington, D.C. in the first place.
Senator Marshall Blackburn, she's running for Tennessee governor.
Senator, thank you so much for joining us here.
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It's Steven Gardner, the host of the Stephen Gardner Show.
What's up, man?
Hey Jack, good to be with you.
Thanks for having me on.
Well, you have done some fantastic investigative work on the story of what happened to my good friend, your friend, Charlie Kirk.
You actually went to Utah Valley University campus and you did a lot of gumshoe on the ground reporting there in Utah of what happened to Charlie.
You took a lot of the uh, you know, a lot of the different theories and alternate theories out there, and you really put them to the test.
And I think you did a fantastic video that I want everyone to go watch.
And before we get into it, I've got a clip of it that I want to play for everyone right now.
I'm here uh at the spot where Tyler Robinson jumps off the roof.
I'm here with Gray Hughes Investigates.
And uh he's got this camera that is on a big uh telescope rod.
Yes, extension.
And uh when you put it up there, what did you see?
Well, when you put it up right where he came down, there's actually four fingerprints that drag off, and then another spot where maybe there's a towel or something like that.
You know, I don't know what else was there.
Maybe his foot was still up there, and then another mark as well.
So there's three marks in a really thick dust, and it's still there, still there.
Okay.
I don't know what a reason why they would actually get rid of it.
Yeah.
You're not gonna wipe it away, right?
Yeah.
It's strange though.
That is strange.
Yeah.
And then I've got uh Gary right here from Paramount Tactical.
He's just showing his audience.
The video where they say it's an AI person.
I said it's not AI, the the path drops off over there.
Yeah, right, exactly.
Yeah.
So Steven, you you you're out there, you're uh you're looking into all this.
These marks on the roof, what are what are they consistent with?
Tell us exactly how you think that fits into the context of what we know and what we've been told about Charlie's murder.
Absolutely.
So I I've been very skeptical with everything that's happened with the FBI.
So I'm I'm just trying to use my own brain, my own journalism skills to go and look for cameras, look for evidence, clues to try to back up the narrative that we're being told, but also to make sure that I can hold them accountable with truth.
What it looks like is everyone's seen the famous FBI footage where uh Tyler Robinson is running across the Low C building towards the north, and then he gets down on his legs and he's kind of holding on to the roof and then he jumps off and then he heads off into the wooded area.
Well, while I was there, uh looking at how to get on the roof, uh the the time it would take, what cameras would have captured stuff.
Uh I was speaking with another investigative journalist, and what you see is when he gets down uh and he's getting ready to jump off the building.
Uh there's you can see scrapes in the dust that are about 36 to 40 inches long, which is about the length of the barrel of a 306 rifle.
You also see a handprint where he's trying to let himself down gradually, and then he ends up jumping off uh and running into that wooded area.
So, although I want to trust the FBI and I believe in Cash Patel, you know, the American people were skeptical with you know, government lies and cover up.
I mean, look at January 6th.
It took almost five years to find out that there was over 270 FBI agents in plain clothes uh in the crowd.
So I'm just trying to get to the bottom of this.
I want to make sure that if Tyler Robinson is in fact the person that jumped off that roof, that the this handprint that they say they have, uh the screwdriver, the gun, the bullet, all of that matches up because Charlie Kirk deserves justice, and the American people deserve the truth.
Well, and so I want to I want to make sure that we're that we're tying this together.
So that handprint that is on that roof, does that line up that that you guys uncovered with that was that it that's uh that he's using that that stick camera?
Um does that line up with the video from where we see the individual that they've identified as Tyler Robinson?
Yes, and we know that for two reasons.
The first time I went out, uh two weeks after Charlie had passed, the FBI actually had a yellow measuring tape that was taped to the cement wall of the Low C building.
Uh, and I believe that they were measuring the hand to the last bit of that.
Uh you can also tell there's a split in the window pane just below this frame uh when you see him jump off, uh, and you can see that it lines up exactly with where he comes off the building.
The other thing you'll notice, Jack, is see that dust?
There's no other markings on there.
The only place that there were markings up and down all of that uh guttering system is right where Tyler Robinson jumped off.
So when I saw this, I was like, wow, okay, that is a huge piece of evidence.
And and we were told in the uh paperwork that was submitted for the legal briefing that they have a palm print, that they have fingerprints on a screwdriver.
Um they're gonna have the the gun.
So then what I started doing, I started working with forensic uh experts to understand ballistics, to understand how they would use X-rays to follow the path of the bullet through Charlie's body, um, where the bullet was found, how they found the fragments.
Um I I'm not an expert in all of this, but I'm really good at asking questions, and I I wanted to bring that truth to my audience.
Well, and I think this is important too, because look, you know, I want to make sure they got the right guy.
And if they got the right guy, I want to make sure that this trial goes forward and everything's done by the book and everything's done properly.
And and you know, I've been hosting this show as well as others with um, in fact, uh people like my friend Blake Neff, who was standing uh just a few feet away from where Charlie was sitting, so in the line of fire of this individual, right where you were uh on, you know, obviously underneath that roof.
And you know, this this all has to be done by the book.
And that's something that we absolutely all want.
Now, there was another piece of information that you mentioned in your video.
That was the the sound rings that you were digging into.
What was the sound rings?
Uh I found um another YouTuber who does uh sound and noise analysis.
I can't remember his last name.
I believe his first name is Matt, but uh basically what he did is he took uh different people's cell phones and the noise, and he was able to create a map.
And then the the map, when you start running it through AI and different software, it'll start, it'll start using um map mathematical formulas to pinpoint where the noise came from.
And there's there's there were three big rings that went out.
And wouldn't you know it?
All three, the only time that they cross over is right on the Low C building where we know somebody was laying in a prone position with a rifle and took a shot.
Now, uh, from everything that I have seen, it looks like it's it looks like uh it's the story that the FBI is telling us.
So the sound is matching up, the direction of the bullet.
Sadly, Charlie Kirk takes a tremendous amount of energy from the front.
Um that bullet uh you know destroys his neck, gets lodged uh in his uh T1 thoracic vertebrae.
But you you start lining that up.
Now, a couple of big things that were pointed out to me, and I started to pick up on this, and it was nice to have a forensic expert confirm this.
But he said to me, next to the gun and the bullet, the most important piece of evidence against Tyler Robinson will be his cell phone data.
Cell phones are able to track you to within a couple of inches of where you are.
And we learned this.
We learned this from January 6th.
It was the geofencing.
Yes.
We're coming up on a quick break, Steven.
Give me one second because I want to dig into this as well.
The cell phone forensic data, sound analysis, bullet analysis, and the fingerprints, actually finding the fingerprints and handprints, the marks on the Low C building, right back.
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All right, Jack Pacific, we're back here, Human Events Daily, Real America's Voice.
We're talking to Steven Gardner, the host of the Stephen Gardner Show.
He went back to Utah Valley University, the scene of the crime, and we're walking through the evidence in some cases, corroborating the evidence that we've heard regarding uh the theory and even alternate theories about Charlie Kirk's murder.
Stephen Gardner went back to the scene multiple times to track it all down.
And uh so talked about the gun, talked about the bullet, talked about the palm print and and handprints that were found on that roof of the Low C building, which are consistent actually in the same spot with the video that were shown, this grainy video that were shown of an individual jumping off.
Stephen, where we left off before the break, you were telling us though about the cell phone tracking, that forensic cell phone tracking, geofencing data.
We know the same exact uh method of tracking individuals was used in January 6th.
They were tracking, did someone go onto the steps?
Did they go in?
Were they on the lawn?
Where were they exactly?
And we know that investigators using cell phone data can do this.
What did you find regarding that data in this case?
So uh we're gonna know with uh great clarity whether Tyler Robinson was in the Orim area, whether the text messages that many of us have questions about, whether those were sent from Oram to Lance Twig, was Lance Twig in southern Utah, or was he also in Oram?
All of that is going to come out.
But the main thing is people are saying, okay, how would he have known based on this weird terrain, not being a student at the school, how would he have known this?
Because I don't believe you could have planned this murder from Google Maps.
So they're going to know, based on his cell phone uh pathway, whether he went on the day before, a couple of weeks before.
They'll be able to track all of that.
Now, I was told from forensic expert, uh, a forensic expert, um Joseph Scott, that uh they're going to be able to track him from 800th Street down through the tunnel, up around the Low C building, up the stairs, onto the roof, from the roof, out to the roof line, take the shot, jump off the Lowe C building, run into the woods.
And then I started seeing all of these conspiracy videos that uh they were able to find him on a little cafe's uh security system.
You can barely see his car, but you can see it.
And you had all these conspiracy people saying, how does a guy kill Charlie Kirk and 20 minutes later he's uh in his car in a parking lot?
That's not consistent with what a murderer would do.
Well, you don't know how a murderer thinks, right?
He might be sitting in that car amped up on adrenaline.
But how did how did the cafe owner know that he was caught on his security camera?
Because unless somebody breaks in, you don't just go review, you know, uh 24 hours worth of video footage.
It's because the FBI tracked him to that location.
The next morning, 7.15 a.m., Cedar City, Maverick Gas Station.
How do they know it's him?
He swipes a credit card and they follow his phone.
They know when he goes home, they know if he goes to visit Lance, when he goes over to his parents, they've got all of it: the phone calls, the texting, everything.
So uh this forensic expert, uh, basically uh Joseph Scott Morgan, he shared with me that next to the gun, uh the cell phone data is going to be the thing that ties Tyler Robinson directly to the person on that building.
And right now, there's a lot of doubt.
Oh, I don't know if I can trust the FBI.
Well, that that uh geo tracking, that geofencing, it's going to it's going to tell us where his phone was at all times on that day.
Now, there's another piece of this that you mentioned when you were there, and it had to do with the sort of the depth and the scope of the of the area, the amphitheater where the building is.
Uh, you were saying that you mentioned GeoMap uh Google Maps a second ago, and that's what maybe think of this.
You said that where Charlie was sitting was actually much deeper than you realized, and the relative height from where Charlie was to the top of the Low C building was a bit higher.
Walk us through what you discovered.
So the the video footage that you guys showed with me and Gary from Paramount Tactical.
Um below below us is the hall of flags.
That's where the first cell phone picked up Tyler Robinson running off the roof.
Then below that is where Charlie Kirk was sitting in a pop-up tent, right?
So that is an amphitheater that goes up, and then the Low C building where he shoots from is three stories higher than that.
So he's actually about four stories different, maybe four and a half stories different.
Uh, and so that that bullet is coming down at an angle.
He's also off to the side about 10 degrees.
So that that bullet is coming in from high to low and from the side where it ends up crashing into his neck.
Um, so yes, right here you can see uh Gary, right below us is the Hall of Flags where somebody's cell phone catches Tyler Robinson running off the roof.
Um, but uh until you go to the actual campus, you don't really understand because this particular campus, from from an aerial uh point of view on Google Maps, they have these like red square sidewalks, and they all seem like they're on the same level, but some of them might be two stories up, some of them might be two stories down.
Um, and and so that really threw me.
The first time I went out, I was like, okay, wait a minute.
I've been covering this story.
I didn't really understand the elevation climb.
I didn't understand the uh the topography of the campus.
And so um, you know, sadly, right where he takes the shot is the very best place to take a shot.
Uh you're up and away, you've got a clear line of sight to Charlie Kirk, you've got coverage by the cafeteria building in front of it, and he takes the shot and then runs for his life.
Uh, but that that really threw me.
Um, the other thing, when you start looking at the uh the sound analysis, uh, he's shooting down into a bowl.
That's why you're picking up echoes.
So some people that aren't as sophisticated uh in their forensic, they say, Oh, there there was probably two shots.
Well, no, uh, it's coming down into this amphitheater bowl.
It's picking up an echo, it's also passing through the microphone uh system there.
So when you really clean up all of the audio, it's one shot, then the supersonic boom, and then boom, it hits.
And they were able to show all of that.
So those rings are coming from the initial sound wave, uh uh, you know, the sound propagation, but then in but then you also have the secondary and tertiary waves that are hitting off of those other buildings into the bowl of the amphitheater.
And and you can even see it on this video that you put together from that angle.
It's a very small, very confined space.
In fact, I remember going to uh when I did my butler investigation um and visited, and I've I've been to Butler multiple times now and looked at the site where President Trump had his assassination attempt, you realize it's so much smaller than it just looks on camera.
It's so much smaller.
I mean, you you could you could run the distance um in just a couple of seconds.
It's a quick sprint, it would get you from one side to another.
And it there's sometimes just videos and Google Map and satellites, and I know that a lot of like uh, you know investigators and researchers go off of that.
But when you physically go there for yourself, you just you see how uh how those angles can play tricks on you, and it's and it's much smaller.
By the way, I just wanted to throw out before we uh run out of time here that what you mentioned about the cell phone tracking data, that reminds me a lot of the Brian Coberger case, where uh and he killed those um sorority girls, but that was a key piece of the evidence because they find his fingerprint on the knife sheath, and then what do they have?
They have his cell phone data going back and forth, back and forth past that house, casing it before he went in, getting the pattern of life.
Stephen, we are just about out of time.
Thank you so much for doing this.
I hope you continue.
Tell everyone where to go to get your video and access to everything you're putting out.
If you look up Steven Gardner on YouTube, you will see this face, and I appreciate the opportunity to come on.
Stephen Gardner on YouTube, yes, you will see that face.
And if you can, if you can stand it, if you can stand watching it, you will be able to get some really incredible information.
God bless you, man, for doing this.
And uh, I appreciate it a lot.
As I know there's been so many, so many questions about this and everything else.
