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Oct. 2, 2025 - Human Events Daily - Jack Posobiec
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The SPLC Is Next After The ADL: Charlie Kirk Gave Us The Mission

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Today is October 2nd, 2025.
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We are here live in the Charlie Kirk studio, Phoenix, Arizona.
And we are here with Andrew Colvet and Blake Neff.
What's up, guys?
Hey.
So thanks for having us.
It's my second time on your show.
Yeah, I mean, you were you were okay.
You know, we got some good audience feedback.
It was mixed.
To be fair, it was mixed.
But you know, it was it was about my ceiling.
It was it was about your ceiling, yeah.
And I and I said, you know what though?
You know what though?
This this might be something where we can get you in and get you on because yesterday we got the incredible news, something that we've been banging on on Thought Crime and Human Events and the Charlie Kirk show was the ADL.
And Charlie had this great tweet up not even that long ago, where he said the ADL is number one and the SPLC is number two in terms of the purveyors of hate in America.
Yep.
This is this is the tweet.
You got it there.
You want to be a big hate group?
Just call yourself an anti-hate group.
We're the anti-defy squad.
Do you want to defame people?
Call yourself the anti-defamation league.
So here I'm getting the the tweet for the team.
Um the ADL, the FBI has severed their relationship with them.
Yeah.
Uh they Elon Musk is going hardcore on them, trying to push back on all of their government contracts, which we see are all over various levels of government.
And today online, people have just started blasting the SPLC because we're saying, guys, if we're and because and specifically because, by the way, it started with the ADL's attack on Turning Point USA.
Well, and Christians.
And Christian identity, Christian identity.
And the SPLC is that same thing.
Christian identity once specifically was it was an actual group that I think called itself Christian identity that was like weird stuff.
Uh, but they were bad in a million other ways, including smearing us.
But by the way, it doesn't even change the reality that they were anti-Christian or they are anti-Christian.
I mean, they don't, at least Christian values.
So here's here's the tweet.
They have that our team should have it.
It's so throw this up when you When you can get it, guys.
This is uh from September 1st, 2023.
Charlie says, Whatever it was in the past, today the ADL is a hate group that dons a religious mask to justify stoking hatred of the left's enemies.
I believe in the First Amendment and free speech as a principle, regardless of what the law says.
I don't want to ban anyone's speech.
But the ADL has no place extorting X, Twitter, or any other social media companies, nor should it dictate to federal law enforcement agencies what hate speech is.
The ADL itself is America's number one purveyor of hate speech, parentheses, and the SBLC is number two.
So the great Peri Abbassi, Pericles of Chicago, uh, who is an alpha male married to a woman, that we congratulate him for that.
He found that the day before September 10th, that on September 9th, the SPLC released their hate watch newsletter.
No way.
And I don't think anyone had realized this because you know we don't forget direct basis.
Yeah.
September 9th, they had an article attacking Charlie Kirk, literally one day before Utah Valley.
And he was being targeted.
He was this member of the hard right.
And I'm trying to pull the exact tweet up, but they said they were going after him saying, This guy is against DEI, and you know, he is a hate, an extremist.
And again, so we we talk about the the various rhetoric that Democrats use.
These places are the sources of that rhetoric.
And they'll say, Oh, well, look at the study by the ADL.
Look at this study by the SPLC, and then David Sachs would point out that if you search uh certain conservatives online, and and I appreciate David putting pointing this out, that he uh he said you search Stephen Miller, first thing he cut that comes up is is SPLC.
You search Jack Pasobic, the first thing that comes up is SPLC.
And in fact, last year, um, and we or no, excuse me, earlier this year in May of this year, the SPLC added turning point USA to their 2024 hate map.
And this is the thing with these types of hate organizations, the extremists that follow them.
We know that the Family Research Council shooter was an SPLC uh uh follower, the Steve Scalise shooter was an SPLC follower, so they've been tied to multiple shootings in the past, and yet they continue to dox, they continue to put make maps, they make lists with impunity.
Yeah, so they put us on their hate map as a hate group.
What is it that the alleged shooter supposedly said, according to Utah authorities in those messages?
I had enough of his hatred.
Some hate can't be negotiated out.
Specific the the almost verbatim, the same words as the SPLC will be right back.
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Gentlemen, so uh I want to talk about what pressure points we have on the SPLC because we do need to look at this in terms of action items.
We know these are the bad guys.
FBI, you need to drop the relationship.
Cash, you did it with the ADL, SPLC is next.
As Charlie said, they're number two.
Yes, the SPLC is literally number two.
Amazon Smile, their charity donation.
Why are they partnering with an organization like this?
And Andrew, you were just talking in the break about this massive endowment that is crazy that they have that they're keeping like in the Caribbean.
Well, so they have the it it in their headquartered in Alabama, and they're they call it the poverty palace, right?
Because it's apparently this thing is just gaudy over the top.
Oh, it's enormous.
It's absolutely enormous.
And in Alabama of all places, but it it's because that's where that's where it all started.
Well, that's where it all started.
And by the way, some of these formerly useful organizations have just become so corrupted and twisted over the years.
But the SBLC's endowment was reported.
Get this at approximately 82 million dollars.
And that's fiscal years ending at fiscal year ending in 2024.
That's nearly a billion dollar endowment.
So the SPLC.
And so Blake has brought up a good point that it's basically, you know, it it's a money grab scheme that targets boomers with like old school civil rights nonsense that has A, it's no longer relevant.
It's no longer direct mail.
It's yeah, it's direct mail.
So they're they're fleecing old people, Blake.
What's that?
Well, I mean, you've you've done some deep dive into that.
You know, I think do we have this ready?
Because I want to read, yeah.
All right.
So I actually this was talked about in um in Charlie's book, Right Wing Revolution.
I think that's kind of a good way to uh set it up and loop our friend into this.
No, I mean Charlie Charlie was very clear that this was the number two organization.
So let's read this quote.
For decades, the Southern Poverty Law Center has collected revenues well in excess of its spending in 2022.
It collected 140 million dollars, spent just 110 million for a surplus of 30 million.
It has, as of when he was writing this in 23, amassed a pool of assets totaling more than 700 million dollars.
Their lavish headquarters, this nicknamed the poverty palace.
But even other more principled liberals find the SPLC completely loathsome.
In 1996, one of them called SPLC founder Morris Dees, a fraud and a con man in a 2019 piece.
Former staffer Bob Moser said the group was quote ripping off donors and was essentially a con.
Well, the SPLC is headquartered in Montgomery, Alabama.
Uh, and then he makes a reference to uh the NRA got which is headquartered in New York State, got besieged by the New York AG's office.
They had an entire division of the New York AG's office that was basically get the NRA.
And you know, Bloomberg was very anti-gun.
They had a whole operation.
He funded this uh news outlet called the Trace, whose purpose was basically to just write about gun stuff so that over years you'd have this source that you could go to for anti-NRA stuff.
Now, Blake, I just want to I just want to check on this.
So that's New York, that's a blue state.
Alabama, though, where the SPLC is headquartered.
Uh I'm you know, my political knowledge trivia, it's not so good.
Is Alabama is that a swing state?
Is that a blue state?
Where do they sit?
I mean, uh they did elect a Democrat senator in like 2017.
Briefly, yeah.
So here's the thing.
Yeah, it's the red.
No, it's just I want to say this.
It's the redis of the red states, and the AG have it be you know, yeah, like I mean, they're right there on the Gulf of America.
Yeah, right there on the Gulf of America, the redest of the red states, and the AG is sitting right there overseeing them.
We saw what the AG has done in a state like Arizona, they've Indicted Tyler, who is currently under indictment in his own state, the minute they got a blue AG by what, like a couple of hundred votes.
Yeah, like 230 votes.
Yeah, 230 votes.
And the first thing they do is start indicting patriots, like our good friend.
And we have these guys who are just very clearly, I would say, based on the information that we have in Charlie Kirk's book, the information that came out before about the 30 million dollars and the Caymans, that uh that uh the great uh Tyler O'Neil over at Digital Daily Signal.
I've got to get he's written entire books about these guys.
You've got the predicate for an investigation into the SPLC for wire fraud.
Guess what?
And mail fraud.
Guess who's running for uh governor in Alabama?
Who that's uh young man named Coach Tommy Tubberville, Coach Tommy Tubberville, no way.
I love that guy.
Coach is the kind of guy that will not abide nonsense.
He he will not put up with it.
And so this is why local government, whether it's at the state level or at the city level, is so critically important.
Yes, we won the nation, we won the national race with President Trump in the in the White House, God bless Charlie for all that he did to make that happen.
But we have to take back states.
We have to take back blue states.
Every single inch of this country has a crisis of leadership.
And I'm not I and you know, Florida's doing great.
There's some there's some bright spots, but to your point, Jack, we on the right need to learn how to exert and use the power that we have.
Because and it shows the character of a conservative versus a progressive.
A progressive is just hellbent on being as creative as they can to corrupt the system and to leverage the system in all these twisted, gross ways to punish their enemies.
Conservatives, we're not wired that way.
But when you have, to your point, a very clear predicate that this organization is engaging in fraudulent behavior and fleecing donors and whatever, then go investigate that.
Use the power that the people have given you that's in your lawful purview, and you know what?
Take on the SPLC.
Do it.
Do it, coach.
We have your back.
Right.
And that's and that's we'll get elected first.
But when you are elected, then do it.
Well, that's just at the local level at the at the federal level as well.
Um, so if they're committing male fraud, just the fact that it's in the mail, that makes it federal.
And the fact that obviously I'm sure there's donors for from pretty much every state of the that you can look at.
There's multiple vectors here.
And but right, but no, you you're right about the state level, and I want to keep coming back to that.
This is this is the reddest of the red states.
And they're just sitting there.
The poverty palace is built on top of one of our states, like an occupying state of the state.
It's built on blood money.
Yes.
It's built on blood money.
Because the blood library.
These are the organizations that have been spewing hate about Jack Pasobic, about Charlie Kirk, about Turning Point USA, and they're giving license to murderers.
Okay.
And how do they how what do they do with that money when you send it to them?
They they slander good people, good Christians, people that built this country, the people, the kind of people that still hold the values that built this country.
So it's infuriating to me that they're that they're left to go untouched.
And this is, you know, I go back to Utah State.
We had Governor Cox there, okay.
People didn't like that.
Well, Governor Cox had privately communicated with us that you know Charlie maybe had some good points, okay, when he went after him back in the day.
I know the fucking thing.
But this was this was a an example, and this is I I think where Governor Cox is, you know, improved in evolved to use the Obama ism.
But here's the thing.
He this was a red state, a very, very red state in Utah, where he was ceding ground to the left on issues of trans and uh women's sports and things like that.
That that time is is done.
If you are a conservative and you you are weak or ineffectual about these very key issues, by the way, that are 70, 30, 80, 20, 90, 10, then we have no business with you, and we will spit you out, and we will primary you and we'll play replace you with better candidates.
Is that a biblical reference, Andrew Colvet?
It's a little bit of a lukeworm.
But I mean it, because we're sick of it.
And people are getting killed out here.
No, and and and this isn't the first time.
So Floyd Lee Corkins back in 2012 was uh was an attempted shooter, wanted to conduct a mass shooting at the Family Research Council in Washington, D.C. And he went and planned to enter the offices of the Family Research Council, who stood for traditional marriage, and he learned about them because of the SPLC's hate watch list.
So what he did is he went, he got his gun, he loaded it, he drove to Washington, DC, but he didn't go to the family research council first.
You know what he did first?
You know, Blake?
What did he do?
He went to Chick-fil-A.
You know why he went to Chick-fil-A?
Because they were labeled by Because as because Chick-fil-A had been labeled and the Family Research Council had been labeled, and his plan was to buy Chick-fil-A sandwiches, shoot everyone in the office, and then throw Chick-fil-A sandwiches on their dead bodies as they bled out.
Now, thank God he was stopped by a good guy with a gun the minute that he tried to get in there.
But he got all of that information, including the hate, the incitement, the smearing, and the location of their office from the SPLC.
That's Floyd Lee Corkins.
Then you had the Steve Scalese shooter, was an SPLC follower, and I four months.
Four months before Charlie Kirk was killed, Turning Point USA was added to the SPLC's hate list.
And the day before Charlie Kirk was shot and killed, there was a newsletter from the SPLC targeting Charlie Kirk.
Now, we don't know if the shooter was directly tied, so I'm not gonna say that.
But again, this is all out there.
Everyone can see this.
And we're coming up on a creates an ecosystem.
It creates it creates the ecosystem, a toxic, disgusting, sick ecosystem that gets people killed.
Coming up on a break right back, Jack Basobic, Human Events Daily.
Talk about influencers.
These are influencers.
And uh they're friends of mine.
Jack.
Where's Jack?
Jack.
He's got a great job.
I don't see it.
Jack Zovik, we're back live here, Charlie Kirk Studio, Phoenix, Arizona.
I'm on with Blake Neff, producer for the Charlie Kirk show.
And we're exposing the SPLC.
We are holding the SPLC accountable today, the same way we did with the ADL yesterday.
Blake, I've got this list here of uh radical right extremists and uh, you know, hate purveyors in America.
And this, of course, comes from the SPLC.
So let's see who's first on their list.
Ben Carson, Dr. Ben Carson.
I mean, big hate monger.
I mean, you just you saw him on stage at Charlie's Memorial Ranching, the Ravens, just endless hatred, the Heritage Foundation, Dennis Prager, Prager U, the Federalist Society, Franklin Graham, the Catholic Medical Association, the Alliance Descending Freedom, Focus on the Family, Family Research Council, which we just described, had a uh attempted mass shooting there.
Religious Liberty Commission, Liberty Council, Pacific Justice Institute, Leadership Institute, the Ruth Institute, again and again, uh, Texas Values, Florida Family Policy Council, the Homeschool Legal Defense Association, uh, Moms for Liberty.
I just know off the top of my head, I know they went after Moms for Liberty very hard.
Um, I believe it was last year, and this year, they had been targeting who?
Turning point USA.
Uh, they've also gone after Matt Walsh, Michael Knowles, uh, Daily Wire, those guys, uh, again and again and again.
And it's it's completely out of control, and they're sitting on a billion dollars, which I'm sorry, this this just has to be rampant fraud.
Oh, and you know, there's other stuff you could point to, and this is why I'm it's really galls me that you know the Alabama AG's office never seemed to take too much notice of it.
Uh totally forgotten now, but in 2019, there actually was a mini scandal with the SPLC.
Their founder, Morris Dees, who I think has been married six, some extremely high number of times, five, six, maybe he's on seven by now if he's still alive.
Uh, and he got forced out.
He's like the Nick Cannon of the left.
Yeah, and he's the founder.
He is the founder of this organization, and he gets forced out for like of crypto.
They don't really say exactly what was going on, but it was rumored there was a staff revolt.
Uh, they they called systemic culture of sexism and racial.
Oh man, at the SPLC sounds like a hate group.
Yeah, so this is actually an interesting part.
I want to finish this real quick.
This all comes from the left.
It all came from the left, but to finish it, he gets he gets booted out.
And then this is what's great is the SPLC president, Richard Cohen, he announces that they're bringing in Michelle Obama's former uh former chief of staff, Tina Chen, to investigate this, you know, do one of those like big law firm investigations of what really happened.
Uh now, then Richard Cohen himself got the boot.
And then, as far as I know, this Chen report has never come out.
What did come out is that Chen was the one, I'm not making this up.
She made a phone call to the Chicago DA, Kim Fox, just before she went and announced that she was going to not prosecute Jesse Smollett for that.
Right.
So we have which was obviously anti-win staff who was involved in letting someone get away with a crime, was brought in to investigate the SPLC, and that investigation has never materialized.
There is so much shady behavior that has gone on here.
and no one's done anything about it.
And this is what I want to say is that current affairs, which is like a communist outlet...
Actually put out this uh a whole thing about the SPLC's hate map and wrote the Southern Poverty Law Center is everything that's wrong with liberalism.
It concluded that the hate rap is quote map is quote outright fraud and quote a willful deception designed to scare older liberals into writing checks to the SPLC.
And a former SPLC employee Bob Moser wrote, it was hard for many of us not to feel like we'd become pawns in what was in many respects a highly profitable scam.
And uh this also, by the way, um, when they went after uh Magid Nawaz, uh, my friend Magic Nawaz in the UK, they found that the UK actually has something called real libel laws, and he sued and won a 3.3 million dollar settlement with them, uh, who they went after.
Um, they also had to walk back their statements on Ion Hersy Ali, and they did actually publicly apologize to Dr. Ben Carson, but they include again, they included Ben Carson in an extremist file.
These people are completely out of control, and they're sitting in one of the red estates running a fraudulent scam, raking in a billion dollars, and part directly partner with Google, directly partner with YouTube, and in many cases, partnered even with the FBI and members of the war enforcement.
And they're so often used as this bogus source uh by the media.
I'm looking at the same article.
Or in a Senate confirmation.
They would pop up all of the time.
So, like the New York Times would cite them all the time, where they would say, uh, you know, I'm looking right now at a New York Times article that was about the website VDARE, and it just throws in here.
Sure, the Southern Poverty Law Center classifies VDAR as an anti-immigration hate website.
Well, okay, so you're basically left-wing crazy group classifies this other group as evil hate group, and they just casually will do that all of the time.
There was a Reuters article from 2019.
It just throws in there that uh the number of hate crime groups rose 30% from 2014 to 2018, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center.
On the rise, they were on the road to entrench themselves as this supposedly neutral arbiter of what a hate group is when they're not.
They are a left-wing hate group.
By the way, I found so I I was digging on there and I said, Okay, well, let's do when remember we did the ADL, we were saying, let's see what they say about Antifa.
Um, and there's one exactly one article on the SPLC's website where they mention Antifa, and it says designated Antifa as a domestic terrorist organization is dangerous and threatens civil liberties.
Uh, if I remember correctly, right after October 7th, the SPLC, now that not the SPLC main uh organization, but the union of SPLC workers actually took a vote and condemned Israel after the October 7th attacks when they were going in and slaughtering families and little children in the settlements right outside of Gaza, and has never gone after these organizations.
So they'll talk about you know, you know, and again, Hamas, these these actual terrorist organizations, and the SPLC will say, we'll just be either silent on them, or the union will say, Yeah, they had it coming, they had it coming.
It's insane.
It's just it's disgusting what they've been able to get away with for so long.
And you just have to, you just have to entrench them as categorically not a credible group, not a group anyone is going to listen to, and then we should move on to this is a group that is a shady, at best, a shady grift.
At worst, something actually more sinister and criminal.
And we should find out.
Charlie or uh uh Andrew found he said there's a Charlie tweet for any everything, and you know, right there, February 2023.
The SPLC is a hate group.
And unfortunately, there's far too many people who are still citing them.
There's people on our side who will cite them or listen to them.
Guys, it's done.
We're coming for you, we're coming for all of it.
The mail fraud, the wire fraud, the money in the Caymans, the lies, the scams, it's done.
And any connection with law enforcement has to be cut off.
And let's go to Amazon.
Let's go to Jeff Bezos.
I know Matt Gates mentioned this once to him when he had uh he had a mint.
Why do you allow a group like this into Amazon Smile?
We are putting you on notice.
Blake Neff.
Thank you so much for being here, brother.
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Where's Jack?
Where's Jack?
Where is he?
Jack, I want to see you.
Great job, Jack.
Thank you.
What a job you do.
You know, we have an incredible thing.
We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys, and these are the guys should be getting published.
All right, Jack Sobick, we are back, human events daily.
We're here in Phoenix, Arizona, and we were in the Charlie Kirk studio.
And you know, we've it's been it's been now three weeks since Charlie's murder.
And, you know, we were talking in the previous segment about how the SPLC as well as the ADL had uh targeted Charlie in the days up to you know, leading up to his death, put a turning point on the SPLC hate watch uh map, as well as targeting Charlie, even the day before the shots rang out.
And a man who I I've only just gotten to know recently, but but also knew Charlie for a long time, and uh spoke at the memorial with me, uh, I think right after me, actually, and was there with Charlie that day, joined us now.
It's Frank Turk.
Frank, how are you?
Jack, like you, grief comes in waves.
Some days I'm okay, other days uh I don't even want to go on almost, you know.
I mean, it's God God can bring good from evil and is, but still that doesn't negate the fact that that was such a evil act and uh a terrible day, and um it's just been difficult, but um it couldn't be more difficult than what's happening with Erica and I just keep her in my prayers every day.
I know you are too.
No, I I I certainly am, and you know, every chance I get to see her or you know, other other family members, I just try to I don't know, say you use humor, try to try to find some way to get him a smile or something like that just to lighten the load a little bit, just give one moment of you know, playing peekaboo or whatever it is.
Not with Erica, but uh right.
And uh, you know, it's you did a an incredible podcast, and I want you to tell people how to get the podcast where you tell the entire story of how you were there that day, because there's people have had so many questions about it, and and I understand that.
I've I've you know, I want to know what happened, Charlie too.
You tell the entire story from soup to nuts, as we would have said in the Navy, like uh my fellow shipmate, that um not only did you see what happened, you helped put Charlie's body in the back of that SUV, which was essentially commandeered, and rode with him to the hospital, and you shared it just incredible details of of having been there.
Tell people and make sure they know where they can get that podcast.
Sure.
Our website is crossexamined.org with a D on the end of it.
But if they go to the YouTube channel, cross-examined two words, they'll see it there.
I think the title of it is called The Greatness of Char Charlie Kirk, an eyewitness account of his life and martyrdom.
And uh, yeah, I was there with Charlie because uh about five years ago, Jackie contacted me because he had seen that I was going to college campuses.
I I wrote a book, co-wrote a book called I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist, so I go to campuses and been doing it for almost 20 years now, presenting the evidence for Christianity and answering a lot of questions.
And I guess Charlie just liked some of my answers, and so he reached out five years ago, five and a half years ago, and said, Hey, your ministry has been very pivotal and uh I want to learn from you and you know, can you kind of mentor me in this?
And so uh he and I would get together this past summer.
We got together on four occasions in Phoenix for a couple of days each time.
Uh, just so we could, you know, iron sharpen's iron.
I mean, it would you would you would think it would be difficult to to mentor somebody smarter than you, Charlie's smarter than me, but it's not because the only thing That surpassed Charlie's intellect was his humility.
And uh I'm sure he did this with you too, Jack.
Hey, well, how would you answer this better?
Hey, what do you think about this?
Right.
He was always looking to improve himself.
Yeah, if if anything, I would I would say, you know, when Charlie and I would do our um, you know, our thought crime show, which would which today's Thursday, and we would have been, you know, hosting it today.
We'll still do a show today.
We have something special planned, actually.
You know, I was I if I could say anything, I was sort of Charlie's sparring partner, you know.
And right, we would uh, you know, we get up some issue like flag burning or you know, whatever the hot button issue was going on, and you know, I would try to take the the most opposed side I could, and we would just we would just go at it, right?
You know, we would just be you know ripping into each other, and well, what about this?
And what about this?
And the and just back and forth, and it's like, you know, if he can do that, working, you know, you you do your sparring, you do your training, so that he's totally ready to go there on the college campus, and then boom, wait, I remember I heard that because you know that came up before, like train like you fight, like we used to say in the Navy.
And uh I mean it was it was absolutely incredible.
And little did we know, you know, all that prep work that he did for this tour, and he only made it about two questions in.
That's right.
He was ready to go and excited to go.
And so I just tell the story.
I was 25 feet off his right elbow, and for some reason people thought, oh, I was signaling the shooter.
I was the guy in the white hat, you know, this stupid stuff that people put out on the internet.
Like, like any shooter would need somebody to say, Hey, that's Charlie Kirk over there.
You know, if a shooter's looking through a scope, he can't see a guy 25 feet to his left anyway.
What's you know, what's anyway, right?
People didn't realize that you were you were there because you were someone who'd been helping Charlie with the tour.
You were helping him put it together.
The the content, the debates, that's that's what your pro your role was being there.
Yeah, and look, I was just fine-tuning Charlie.
He didn't need me as much as he thought he did.
Yeah, Charlie's brilliant, right?
But I was there we spent the two two previous days together, some some parts of the two previous days, and he said, I want you to just come with me to the first event.
I said, Sure.
So we're driving in, we got some drone footage, and I said to him, I said, Charlie, I don't like this place, there's too many buildings.
And he just kind of shrugged it off because he's brave and he's not gonna cancel anything.
There's 6,000 people waiting for him, right?
But I tell the whole story, everyone probably don't have time to do it here.
But I I thought about this for a long time, Jack.
I always thought somebody was gonna take a shot at Charlie at some point.
And you and I both being Navy guys, you know that you always have emergency procedures in the Navy.
And so I thought to myself, if Charlie's ever shot, what would I do?
So I thought about it in advance.
And uh, since he was like a son to me, I was gonna do everything I could to try and save him if I could.
So I kind of forced my way into back of the SUV.
Yeah, the the security team was on him immediately, and I just ran with him, and they put him across the back seat.
The same SUV we took in there, and uh I popped the back gate open and got over the back seat.
So I'm just looking straight down at him, you know, foot away.
And I won't go into detail because I don't want to give Eric any more pain, but we did everything we could to save him.
But he wasn't looking at me, he was looking right past me into eternity.
He was already with Jesus, Jack.
And and the thing Erica wants everybody to know, and we verified this later when we got to the hospital, was that Charlie died instantly.
He didn't, he probably didn't even know he had been hit, at least in his, you know, his physical self.
As soon as, you know, absent from the body present with the Lord, so 2 Corinthians 5.
And Paul says something similar in Philippians.
As soon as you are, if you're a believer, as soon as you expire, you're with the Lord.
And that's where Charlie was.
And so I go into a lot more detail in that podcast.
Again, it's called The Greatness of Charlie Kirk, an eyewitness account of his life and martyrdom.
It's on our YouTube channel, cross examined two words.
What was I mean?
And and and that that podcast, I mean, when you did it, I mean, you you put the listener right in the back of that SUV with you, and and you talk about the one thing that I I did that is always gonna stick with me is that when you got to the hospital, and you and and and I think you were there with Mikey and Danny, and they told you to change your clothes.
And they gave you scrubs.
Yeah, we we had to change our clothes for obvious reasons.
So, you know, we had Justin drive, and Dan's in the front with the GPS on his phone.
Right.
Brian's to my right at Charlie's feet.
And Charlie was six foot four, as you know.
Sorry, is six foot four.
He's still six foot four.
That's right.
Um, and uh we couldn't close the door because he was so tall.
So we drove four miles Yanking and banking to the hospital with the door open to this day.
I don't know how Brian stayed in the car.
But you know, he's administering first aid.
Rick has basically Charlie's head on the left on my left administering first aid, and I'm over the back seat looking down at Charlie trying to do CPR.
Um, I mean, it would it seemed like it took forever to get there.
I mean, we're we're on our way there, and there the ambulance is coming opposite us, and there was chatter in the car.
Should we stop?
No, no, just keep going.
And later the doctor said that was the right thing to do.
Yeah.
Um, even though he's I mean, not that yeah, it I mean, you guys did what what you did, the response being there, and we're we're coming up on a quick break, but I don't hold you over.
Um, because I do want to talk about the you know what has become of this, but I just want to commend you for for being there for Charlie and doing what you did and trying.
Jack, if you were standing there, you'd have done exactly the same thing.
The training, look, you your training just kicks in.
Yeah, you couldn't say oh and you go for it.
Yeah.
You you'd do exactly and anybody that loved Charlie would do exactly the same thing.
Right.
And it's nothing heroic.
Going to the hospital with him.
Come on.
But we'd all do that.
What he did, he what he did was heroic.
And and that's right.
To record that and tell the story publicly, it it must have been incredibly hard.
And so I wanted to say thank you, Frank, for doing that.
We'll be right back here, Human Events Daily.
Jack Pasobic, Frank Turk talking about our dear friend Charlie Kirk.
We'll be right back.
Real Narcos Voice.
Jack is a great guy.
He's written a fantastic book.
Everybody's talking about it.
Go get it.
And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event.
And we're gonna turn it around and make her back to my amen.
Jack Sobick, we are back live here, Human Events Daily.
We're on with Frank Turk, who was not just an eyewitness to the murder of our dear friend Charlie Kirk.
He is someone who rode in the back of the SUV and did his best to try to render aid to Charlie after he had been shot.
He put out an incredible podcast detailing this and telling the story in full, no breaks.
Highly, highly encourage everyone to go and listen to that podcast.
And Frank, so you know, a little over a week after that event, uh, you and I run into each other again, and uh we had done a you know, a show talking about talking about Brave books, you know.
Yeah, kid books about a week prior or so, and uh, you know, it's which uh which I still love by the way, and everyone should go check out Brave, especially they have they have their uh they have a streaming app now, so if you're gonna cancel Netflix, you gotta go get the uh you know, Brave Plus, they're calling it.
And that's great.
You know, the Girk Kirk County.
Oh, my kids love it.
Yeah, and the memorial, and we end up at the memorial backstage together.
Tell me about what you thought about the memorial, not just being up there, but but what it has meant for America and the world in in the wake of this heinous violence.
Well, Jack, as you saw, when you have everybody from the president on down talking about the gospel of Jesus Christ, uh, talking about how Charlie was in heaven now, not because anything he did, not even because he died for his savior, but because his savior died for him.
When that goes out to a hundred million plus people and is still going out, people are still watching it.
That's an amazing testimony and an amazing ripple.
It's not just a ripple, it's a tsunami of good that has come out of this awful event.
Um, I don't know this for sure, Jack, but because I don't know the future, but it could turn out, not that this justifies anything.
It could turn out that Charlie's influence will now be bigger than it ever was, even if he had lived, because it was such first of all, he was such an amazing man, and this was all caught on video, and people's hearts are broken, your heart's broken, my heart's broken, but our hearts are now open to the truth.
And look, I'm getting emails.
I know you are too.
I I got an email from someone in Sweden the other day who's been an atheist 26 years.
Now she's a Christian.
Denmark, same thing.
London, Australia, everywhere.
Yes, people are coming to faith because of Charlie Kirk's life.
And look, Jack, as you well know, everything we're doing here.
Uh while we all love America, America's temporary, it's not eternal.
Heaven is eternal.
Right.
And by the way, that's one of the biggest differences between the Christian worldview and the Marxist worldview.
In the Christian worldview, in the Christian worldview, we believe the individual is eternal and the state is temporary.
In the Marxist worldview, they think the state is eternal and the individual is temporary.
That's why you can sacrifice the individual for the state.
Yeah, so believe that.
And it's and and it's it is inherently anti-Christian because it denies the rights of the individual, denies the individuality of the human being.
Uh, this is why when communism comes to power, when communism tries to ascend to power, what do they do?
The very first group of people that they go after is always the Christians.
They go after priests, they go after pastors, they go after people speaking on behalf of Christ in public squares.
Uh, they go after religious women, and this is a pattern that has existed for hundreds of years, hundreds of years, that you can see over and over and over, from the French revolution and Robespierre and the guillotine all the way right through the uh the Bolshevik revolution, the Spanish Civil War, this is what they do every single time is they target the Christians.
And so it doesn't surprise me that uh I would say of all the emotions that I've had since Charlie's death, uh surprise has not been one of them, not at all, because this is what they always do.
Jack, did I did I tell you the text exchange that Charlie had with our mutual friend James Lindsay?
Did I tell you this?
Uh no, I'm not sure.
This is back in 2023.
James, as you know, it's agnostic.
He texts Charlie and goes, Hey, I'm I'm starting to believe in Satan because I thought about the hundred million people the communists killed in the last century.
That's that's good evidence for Satan.
And so Charlie texts back and he goes, 'Well, if Satan then God and Satan, then God.
Yeah, and then James goes, 'that would follow.
Yeah, ladies and gentlemen, evil does not disprove God.
Evil, evil actually shows God does exist because there'd be no such thing as evil unless there was good, and there'd be no such thing as good unless God existed.
And so if you're going to say that there's evil out there, you're presupposing a standard of good, which is God.
So Satan and evil can't be the metaphysical grounding of reality because evil is a lack in a good thing.
It's not, it's not a thing in itself.
Evil is like cancer.
You know, if you take all the cancer out of a good body, you got a better body.
If you take all the body out of the cancer, you got nothing.
So the the essence of reality is goodness, and goodness is God's nature.
So uh Charlie was wise enough to turn the tables on James and say, hey, man, if you're believing in evil, you better believe in good, and good is what we mean by God's nature.
So many people are starting to come to Christ because of evil, and Christianity is the answer to the problem of evil.
If we had never sinned, there'd be no reason for Jesus to leave heaven, add humanity to his deity and come to earth and pay for our sins, right?
So that's right.
Christianity is the answer to the problem of election.
That's right.
And and and right, if you if you believe in Satan, then you're a Christian, you just haven't realized it yet.
I I saw one something on Twitter yesterday where, and I can't remember the name of the account, but it was so good.
Uh, and it said, scientifically speaking, uh, there is no uh there's no scientific basis for cold.
Cold is just the absence of heat.
Darkness does not exist.
Darkness is just the absence of light.
And it then also follows that evil is, of course, the absence of good.
And we are told in the Bible that hell is that complete separation from God.
That you, and by the way, that you have removed yourself from God's love.
From and you have rejected God's grace.
You have rejected God's message.
And then through that, you have separated yourself completely.
Exactly.
God's not going to force anybody into heaven against their will.
You know, if you don't want Jesus now, you're not going to want him in eternity.
And so God rightfully, as you just said, separates himself from the sinner who wants to be left alone.
You want to be left alone.
You're going to be alone.
It's not going to be a pleasant place, but you're going to be alone because you don't want the grace that God provided for you by taking your sins upon himself on the cross.
And in Dante's Inferno, I've always I've always found it interesting that when you go to the lowest, uh the lowest circle of hell in Dante's Inferno, uh, is is very interesting because it's not hot, it's cold, right?
So we hear about the flames and et cetera.
But it's actually in Dante's Inferno, it's cold, it's frozen.
And the lowest rung of hell is for traitors.
Uh so uh Brutus, a traitor to his king, uh, Judas, a traitor to uh a traitor to his lord, and then of course, the very center of that pit is of course Satan himself, Lucifer, a traitor to God, and it's and it's frozen, it's ice.
And that's not usually the way we think of hell, and it's certainly not the traditional classic medieval depiction of hell.
And and of course, flames are are used in the Bible as well.
But it was very interesting to describe it that way because that's what it is the separation from love.
And we all know what that feels like when you when you when you when we lost Charlie, right?
When we lost Charlie, we feel that we feel that loss that something is gone that should be there.
And that looking at this chair right now, it's right next to me.
And that that is that, you know, you know, uh, I'm not gonna say I was in love with the guy, but the the you know, the brother's right.
Yeah, you love him.
We all love them.
Come on, Jack.
I don't know, I don't know.
I don't know.
I was uh the well, the Greeks have various words for the word love, so maybe one of those.
I'll pick one of those.
I don't know if it's Agape, but it's one of them.
That's right.
Frank, thank you so much for joining us and and just being here and and and sharing the story.
It's it's an unbelievable tale.
I I thank you for doing it because the world needed to hear it.
Tell people again where they can go to get this incredible podcast.
Yeah, go to our YouTube channel.
That's the easiest place.
Two words cross examined, examined with a D, and you'll see it.
It's uh just a couple weeks ago, right after the event.
It's called The Greatness of Charlie Kirk, an eyewitness account of his life and martyrdom.
And then there's a subsequent one, one about the memorial service we just did, too.
Check them all out.
Frank Turk, your good man.
Thank you for doing what you did.
You're a Navy veteran, a shipmate, who ya.
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