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Sept. 22, 2025 - Human Events Daily - Jack Posobiec
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Personal Forgiveness and the Duty for Public Justice

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We are here live in Phoenix, Arizona, Charlie Kirk Studio.
Today is September 22nd, 2025.
Anno Domini.
Yesterday we held a memorial for Charlie Kirk.
Charlie was my friend.
Charlie was my brother.
Charlie was my commanding officer.
When a unit loses its commanding officer, duty and honor must be upheld for him.
But also, justice must be done.
And that justice began with the pull of a trigger.
It leads to video, leads to evidence, eyewitnesses.
It then leads to trial.
It then leads to sentencing.
there have been many times already today where people ask me, but Jack, as a Christian, are we not called to forgive?
Should we not then forgive and let bygones be bygones?
It's not how it works.
And I see a lot of people misunderstanding the Bible's teaching on this, misunderstanding what Charlie said about this, misunderstanding so much of our Christian duty here.
There is a difference between the personal and the public.
You have a personal duty to seek forgiveness.
You do.
Thank you.
God will only forgive upon repentance.
God only forgives upon repentance.
You are also not required to forgive if there is no repentance.
but we are asked to the public authority on the other hand has a different situation the public and legitimate authorities as Christian teaching tells us, legitimate public authority has the right and duty to inflict punishment proportionate to the gravity of the offense.
Proportionate to the gravity of the offense.
What could be more proportionate?
What would require more proportionality than an attack on our very way of life?
An attack on our civilization, an attack on who we are.
War has been waged against society by evildoers, by those who deny our right to exist, to exist to oppress us.
This cannot be allowed.
This cannot continue.
And when a life is taken in a war on society, then the only way to protect society and prevent future instances of this is the ultimate punishment.
The capital punishment.
And this is what Charlie supported.
This is what Charlie stood for and argued for and defended many times.
We'll talk some more about this in the next segment here.
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You believe in putting criminals in jail, right?
Yes.
Because you believe in putting criminals in jail, right?
Yes.
Which is a taking of their rights.
Not their life.
Their whole life is completely changed.
So I guess it's also an insult to the victim, isn't it?
Saying that your life doesn't matter so much that your murderer can keep on living, but you yourself aren't living.
It's actually devalues the value of the victim or the victims, actually, in a lot of times.
God repeated in all five books of the Torah, you take a life, your life will be taken.
To the consistency argument, if there is a baby here, you know, in the womb.
That baby has done nothing wrong.
Whereas a guy who went and shot up a school did a lot wrong.
And so the only answer is to say we value human life so much that you don't get to keep on living if you take a precious human life.
It's actually an explicitly pro-life position.
Because it's honoring the dead and honoring the victim so much that it's not just one to be discarded.
That's oh, it's not just a clump of cells.
Because they're like, oh, you know, it's just a bunch of clump of cells that got shot up at a school.
It doesn't really matter.
Go put them in a jail.
Where we say, no, that's a life you took, and you don't get to keep on having breath if you go take another precious human life.
Jack Pesobic, we are back live, human events daily.
We're in Phoenix, Arizona, almost uh almost went with my normal, but you know, we are not living in normal times here.
And we are in the Charlie Kirk studio, Charlie Kirk's seat remains empty as Charlie is on assignment with the Lord.
I wanted to bring in Blake Neff here because Blake just played that clip of Charlie going through his uh this, you know, this this is the clip we found, uh, I think it's a recent clip, as recent as we can find, I guess, of Charlie on the death penalty.
And he made his makes a very interesting point there.
And I know you worked with him on a lot of these points.
And he said the death penalty is an explicitly pro-life position.
And so for a lot of people out there, they'll say, Well, life is the opposite of death.
So how could the death penalty be pro-life?
Can you can you unpack what he's getting at there?
Yeah, well, he was saying there is like it's almost it's disrespectful to a victim to say like you can take life endlessly without consequence.
That you're basically saying, you know, to some extent we view criminal punishments, they're not merely a deterrent to future things, they are also you know they're sort of a tariff, a compensatory thing to reflect like the harm that you have done.
And we can't undo a harm that is done when you kill somebody, but we can signal that like what you did was an atrocious act.
And you know, one of the oldest principles is you know, if you harm somebody, some harm will be done to you in compensation for this.
And if you're going to say that you can murder somebody, and the compensation for that is you do five years and then you're out on parole, uh, that is sending the message that a life taken is not really that big of a harm, is it?
So it's about the value of life in society.
So it's it's it's basically saying that society should have a pro-life position.
That, and and this is actually consistent.
So because I hear this a lot when people tell you, well, is it what about abortion?
I say, well, that's an innocent life.
Yeah, innocent life.
But there is a difference between an innocent life, the life of a child, an unborn baby, a pre-born baby.
I think I think onborn is so fine.
I know there's like some some back and forth on that.
But there's a difference between that and a criminal, and in in the worst case possible, a hardened, like like murderer or rapist, um, or you know, someone who's done something to a child.
These are just obviously not the same thing morally at all.
Yeah, not in the slightest.
And it's like brought up, I feel like it's only brought up by people trying to do like a gotcha to manipulate you, and like the it always comes up with pro-life thing.
It always comes up with the pro-life thing where they're like, well, you just don't think the unborn life has any value, and you just want to do any gotcha to continue doing abortions because you like that.
Like it's always seemed insane to me.
Like, okay, is there tension between like, oh, you say life matters, so we shouldn't abort people, but like you're okay with the death penalty versus I guess the opposite is like it's bad for us.
The left's position is it's bad to execute criminals, but it's good to execute babies, which seems to have a lot more tension in it to me.
Right.
Like I'd love to just you know push back on that.
So this is also, and and walk us back here because I I keep getting I'm being blown up by the media today, because the media doesn't understand any of this.
And they'll say, Well, wait a minute, how can you say that you forgive Charlie's killer?
That's what Erica said yesterday.
How can you say that you forgive, but then you also want justice to be done, the ultimate justice be done, because the media who doesn't understand Christianity, doesn't understand any of this, is very confused, and they see opposition there.
Yeah, well, again, first of all, this is only ever brought up in this context, whereas it seems like they should rationally apply this to anything that we do.
Like, oh, someone steals from you, we should forgive those people as well.
And yet, okay, we do have to punish thieves.
Right.
And, you know, just in the last hour on the main Charlie show, uh, Benny was making a great point.
You know, there is our personal duty to forgive as Christians, as believers, and then there is the sword that is carried by the government.
That's the public authority.
That's what St. Paul talks about in the letter to the Romans.
That the state has been given the sword by God to do justice.
And like that is why we must obey, you know, just authority, because they have been empowered by God for the benefit of everyone.
And, you know, that's actually a great progress.
A thing that like Christianity embraced and built upon is that old forms of justice were based around revenge, that a wrong done to you is compensated by basically getting revenge from the the wronged party.
Uh, like kind of ancient pagan like Germanic law is a lot like that.
You know, you'd even see that where there actually is no government prosecution of offenses at all.
There's just, oh, I am wrong, so I pursue a suit against somebody, and like I challenge them to a duel or some such.
And like that's how you would.
Or like you receive something from the household.
Exactly.
Yeah, you have you have wear guild they would call it, like man, you know, blood money essentially.
With the blood money, right?
Right.
And, you know, we have moved beyond that where we say there are there is a authority that is above, you know, vengeance.
That is its job is to do justice impartially.
And that is who we'll have to act here.
That we will have an authority, our government that will say this person did an atrocious act that our society cannot condone.
And it is Erica Kirk's duty as a Christian believer to forgive her persecutors, the people who took away her, the man who took away her husband.
But is that it is the state's responsibility to say we cannot have assassins in our country.
Assassins must be punished.
And you know, it's really aren't even the assassin will die.
Yeah.
It is not Erica Kirk's job to decide what the assassin's punishment is.
It would be a good idea.
Well, this is actually why I mean, and and to speak in in generalities, this is why victims are not on juries.
Yes, that's why victims shouldn't be on juries.
And you'll see in more primitive forms of justice, they do it that way.
In Saudi Arabia, the punishment of a murderer is on actually like the family members of those who are afflicted, and they can decide to punish them lightly or put them to death.
And I'm looking at the clock.
We were chatting beforehand.
You did some research into the Utah system.
We're currently in the Utah system.
There are no federal charges as of yet.
That could happen.
There could be superseding.
You know, we'll see.
But in the Utah system, how does the death penalty work?
So in the Utah system, they have the state must announce in advance if they are seeking the death penalty, which they've already done.
And then you do a murder trial, normal murder trial.
Uh let's assume there is a conviction or a guilty plea.
But we'll let's assume it goes to trial, convicted, and then you go to a penalty phase, and it's the same jury by default.
There's exceptions that can come to play.
But basically, it's the same jury.
The person can the defendant can waive having it done by a jury.
They can have a judge rule on it instead.
Although it appears the prosecution must agree to this.
So they could, in theory, veto it and say no, jury must decide.
And then the jury has to unanimously agree there is an aggravating factor.
It cannot be a default punishment for murder.
There has to be aggravation, which we talked about last week.
And this is what we brought up last week that there were children present.
And I believe that's another charge.
Other people were in peril.
Yeah, there's so they they made it an aggregating factor plus a separate charge.
Yeah, they added charges as well, but they need the aggravating factors on murder.
And there's like 13 different options.
And they were emphasizing, I think, three different ones a lot.
Uh so they have to unanimously agree there is an aggravating factor, and then they must unanimously agree on imposing the death penalty if they deadlock life in prison.
So this is it's like a trial after the trial.
Sort of, yeah in the sense that, in the sense that there's a full trial, conviction, non-conviction, where of course murder will be you know, murder in the first would be, or whatever they call it in Utah, will be, you know, the highest uh with aggregating factors, it will be the highest charge, as long as the as well as the lesser lesser charges.
Uh, but then if and likely, but if um it if that conviction goes proceeds, then the same 12, plus with two alternates, of course, or 14, would go to a separate phase where it's almost like there's another set of hearings before the death penalty.
And I believe it does appear they have to be able to do that.
I do believe, by the way, and I know this for other states, I'm not as familiar with Utah, but I do believe that one of the differences there is that uh the victim impact statements do come into play.
So you would have victims who can come forward at that point.
Yeah, I'm looking at Utah's law right now.
In the capital sentencing proceedings, evidence may be presented on the nature of the crime, right?
Uh the defendant's character, background history, mental, and physical.
So that'll be for the uh the victim and the impact of the crime on the victim's family and community, and then other facts in aggravation mitigation might be might be called.
And so all of this could come into play.
Which I mean, I'm just gonna say it.
There is a chance that Erica Kirk herself could be called in that phase.
It is very possible.
And by the way, you yourself as but in the first phase as an eyewitness.
But there's also a lot of eye witnesses.
So there's a lot.
I I don't know that I have anything special that I I can certainly testify to Charlie's character and how heinous this was.
Well, I mean, just in the in the first phase, because you were an eyewitness to the crime.
That is true.
That is true.
Um, so there's there's there's a lot of there's a lot of factors.
Obviously, that's all all up to the prosecutors.
Um, we all saw it live, so it's you know, it's it, you know, I I would say being there in person has more value than um for from an evidentiary perspective than watching it on on live stream.
Um, certainly, you know, they can choose as many as well.
Possibly they don't want someone who worked for Charlie just because it gives you that extra degree of impartiality.
Um, plus, but there was law enforcement there.
Uh there, you know, obviously Charlie security and and some campus security that you might want from that perspective.
Um, this is I'm glad that we talked about this though today, because the media just doesn't get this stuff, they totally don't understand this stuff, they don't understand Christianity, they never did, they never try to, and and to your point, whenever they do attempt to, it's to sort of like use the play these gotcha games on oh, well, the Bible says welcome the stranger and you're for borders security.
And it's like, yeah, they don't say you're you should allow them to invade you.
It's that it's that meme we've all seen where it's just like I have nothing but contempt for your beliefs, but I know your Bible says you have to do this.
No, it's ridiculous.
We're coming up on a break here, but we're digging into this because I can already see this fracture going on, and I I'd love to just be able to talk about how beautiful and moving the service was yesterday.
But but no, no, I see people trying to twist it and use it for their own devices, and I'm not gonna let that happen.
Jack Posobiec, Blake Neff, Human Events Daily, Real America's Voice.
I see.
I hear the rolling line.
Okay, Jack Pasobic.
We are back.
We're live here in Phoenix, Arizona, the Charlie Kirk studio.
We're here with Blake Neff, and we're also very excited to now be joined by independent journalist Nick Sorter.
What's up, Nick?
I appreciate you having me, Jack.
Uh good to have you here.
Very good to have you.
He belong here.
Uh Charlie, uh, Charlie was a huge fan of yours and your work.
And whenever you were doing something, he'd be like, get us Nick, get us Nick.
We need Nick.
We need him.
Get him in here.
I love it.
He was one of the reasons that East Palestine is on the map because of the uh the fact that he brought me on the show so early on from the Grand East Palestine, Ohio.
So you know, those people are very fit.
I mean, talk about talk about a story that just changed every like the entire course of our country was changed by the trajectory of that, and you were a huge part of it because you told that story to a mass audience.
Well, because the mainstream media just didn't want to talk about it.
So, you know, people like Charlie Kirk.
I didn't have a platform at the time.
That was the first story that I had covered, right?
Because I didn't live too far away.
I get there, it's about six hours from my house.
I drove through the night, got there on the ground, and there's nobody, no cameras.
You uh once I got out of the uh out of the vehicle, it was an intoxicating odor of fumes, and I just knew that this was going to be really, really bad.
So we go through all that.
You've been on this journey, Charlie was a huge part of it, and that's what he did.
He built people up.
He just he built people up.
You gotta you've you you got the attention of X and the new management of X, and uh you got to spend a little time with uh with Elon Musk, who came yesterday, and it was it was so nice to see him.
I I got to say hi very briefly.
Um, and it was it's just wonderful to see him there.
He's he had that moment with President Trump, you know, for Charlie, which uh I think everyone's talking about to quite an extent.
Uh just tell us a little bit about your day with Elon.
Yeah, so it was what uh what you saw.
I I I actually was caught off guard by that.
I think most of us were.
So that wasn't pre-planned.
It was not, it was not.
I thought you were like there with the ex-crew or something.
No, no, no, no.
He just uh he just showed up and uh he ended up uh sitting like right in front of me.
So you know, uh of course I was gonna you know have a conversation with him at some point.
Just uh especially uh uh with some of the current I I'm not I'm not gonna actually disclose what we talked about, but there was some uh points about Charlie that he was uh very impressed by.
Uh I I did post a video of him where he was speaking, and uh that's when he first used that quote that Charlie was murdered by the light or by the the dark because he was bringing people to the light.
Yes, and uh and then he ended up tweeting that line where he was like, Yeah, I like that line.
That sounds pretty good.
So that's when that that tweet went out uh for him actually saying that.
But I thought that was a a really good line, and uh as many people know, one of Charlie's missions in the the past few months was bringing the two back together because these are conservative uh powerhouses.
We talked about it all the time with with Trump and Elon.
He said if there's some way we can just bring this back, it's the most powerful political alliance.
And and they should be together.
And I know that he wanted that to happen so much.
Yeah, and I uh I was watching Elon's reaction to the speakers.
He was very attentive.
I've seen him at events before where you know he's the owner of like one of the most entertaining social media platforms on the planet, right?
So it's hard to like take your eyes off of the city.
Well, and he runs like a gazillion companies.
Right.
He's a little bit of a busy guy.
And he was attentively listening to the speakers yesterday.
Wow.
Uh I I don't know if we have that clip.
Do we have that clip?
I think we have well, I don't know if I think we've just got the the video.
I don't know if we have the audio.
You don't really need the.
I know it's it's there, it's running.
Okay, perfect.
Okay, so I I I took this video yesterday of Elon, because I was I was right, I was right behind him.
And the reason that I took the video in this particular moment was because while Elon did stand and applaud uh a lot of the times, he did it after other people were already standing up.
You know, like how one person does it, and then the crowd like slowly starts building up, and he would stand up and clap near the tail end of when people were were speaking.
But this was when you were speaking, and you were you had this powerful statement about God, and uh uh I'd have to find the the exact quote and I don't want to misquote you.
But Elon was the first to stand up and clap in this instance.
The first he took it upon himself.
What you said was so powerful.
Uh it I believe it was related to the uh the armor of God.
I think that's what I'm saying.
Well, I said I said we need to put on full armor of God.
We need to do it now, we need to do it for Charlie, and we know that when the histories are written, Charlie's sacrifice will have saved the West by the only means possible by returning the people to God.
And he stood up first out of anybody in the section, he stood up and he clapped for it.
That's why I was so excited.
I wanted to tell you that so bad that I almost like in your I texted you almost immediately.
It was like all in capital letters.
I was so excited for that.
Because uh that's when I kind of knew I was like, oh my god, it's finally hit Elon.
You know, Elon is famously not a very religious person.
No, he's not.
And and the fact of the matter is that, and and and you know, obviously, thank you to Elon for doing that, but but it's it's not just what I said.
It's it was the whole event, right?
The whole event was uh and is now being criticized for and attacked for for being very just overtly Christian, overtly Christian, overtly godly, because you know what?
That's who Charlie Kirk was.
Christian memorial service held for overtly Christian men.
Who could believe it?
Who could believe it?
But then, you know, even having but you would say I I could see that, you know, and Elon is always he's he's always kind of like on the edge of whatever's going on on the you know, the zeitgeist of whatever the zeitgeist is, and the zeitgeist has been this sort of return to uh I guess you could call it public religiosity and the the use of and embrace of religion in the public square,
and you can't no no one looking at Charlie's extraordinary body of work can deny that that's explicitly what Charlie was doing.
I mean, Blake, you you worked with him on these.
Yeah, no, it was so core to his mission, and it's exactly like first of all, it's also what his events often were in left in a more scaled back sense.
But he always wanted it to be a bigger and bigger thing.
He was always a witness to his faith in a very public way, and that that is clearly why we had this incredible global outpouring reaction.
If Charlie had purely been a politics guy, there would have been a lot of shock, there would have been a lot of reaction, but it was the fact that he was simultaneously a Christian witness, so open and proud about it.
I I say I was I was on some show yesterday.
I said that this was Charlie's like, this was Charlie's 4D chess.
He says, Oh, guys, come on, it's just a political debate, just a political debate, and then you come there and he's like, BAM, gospel, bam, uh bam, Corinthians, bam, old testament.
And you're like, wait, what's this guy doing?
Wait a minute, this is a sermon.
This isn't politics, this is Christianity.
Well, Charlie, honestly, in my opinion, he made being a Christian cool again.
Yeah, right?
No, he didn't.
I went to Catholic schools growing up, right?
But even then, being overtly uh religious in school was something that you'd end up getting made fun of.
It doesn't always take.
Yeah, it doesn't always take.
Yeah, and so now he's college kids like that.
And that's changing.
That's totally changing.
We're coming up on a on a quick break, but Nick, I just want to say I just want to say thank you, man.
That was that was really cool.
And I appreciate you doing that.
Absolutely.
One of the best speeches of the uh of the day, if not the best.
I Erica's.
Yeah, but I mean Erica was just perfect.
I mean, beyond perfect.
Words do not describe.
Right back, human events daily.
I saw my Savior God.
Sunday.
Jack Pasobic back live, human events daily, Phoenix, Arizona.
We're on with uh Nick Sordor and my good friend, Cliff Maloney.
Cliff, I don't know that we've ever been on in this studio before physically.
We have not even though we were on this is right where I think I was actually sitting in that chair on the election stream, and Blake was sitting in this chair, and of course, Charlie sits in Charlie's chair, which will remain open.
And uh this is where we were on election night, man.
It's right where we were.
The tasty cake was right here.
I can't confirm that.
Yeah, I was telling the story uh on Charlie's show earlier, you know, because we were we we played the clip, and you know, I tell people that I got lucky because you guys were all here, you know.
So when Erica comes in, right, and she hugs Charlie, you know, you guys have to react because you're in the room, you know, with her.
Well, we know what's the one thing we can't have during any live show.
It's no one speaking.
Right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was it was technically.
Yeah, you're right.
That is a it is a it is a you know, a rule of broadcasting that you need some kind of filler.
But it's awkward when you're there because like hugging him, dudes like dudes balling.
Right.
So I could I could deal with the awkwardness from not being there.
Right.
Um, and so yeah, let me kind of give that little little remember this moment uh montage, and of course we all will remember that moment.
And so tell me, tell me what your reflections were on, you know, you went through that.
We had the memorial yesterday, which became and and I'll I'll just say this backstage.
I said to uh, I'll just say another one of the speakers.
I'm not gonna name names, but um uh someone whose speech we all saw.
I said to him, I said, you know what's crazy, not or or or perhaps fitting, I should say what's actually what's fitting.
They're not cheering for the political stuff, they're cheering for the spiritual.
This crowd, they don't want politics, they want the real stuff, they want the real stuff.
Have you ever seen anything like that before?
No, and I don't think we will understand the gravity of the situation, uh, especially us that are you know that knew Charlie.
Um, but anybody out there that's trying to analyze this from the political or the spiritual realm, the gravity of the situation.
I think it's gonna take probably five to ten years to really understand how much of an impact this is gonna have.
No, and Jack, look, I don't talk about my faith often.
Um I probably should talk about it more.
Uh I I agree with what J.D. Vance said.
You know, I think in the last 12 days, I've I've talked more about Jesus Christ than I have in probably 20 years.
Um so I think my reflection on it is it was an event that people to be there was was truly life-changing for those that watched on the stream.
I mean, you're right, it wasn't politics, it was talking about good versus evil.
The event was talking about taking a 31-year-old's life for one and just to be able to speak freely.
So to me, I think being in that worship ceremony uh or setting, I I think that there were more people that probably came to Christ yesterday during one of the pastor's speeches than probably any other live stream or event.
I might say in the history of the world.
It was contagious yesterday.
The the environment, the atmosphere that the along with the speeches, you know, people were intently listening to this stuff.
And uh even me, like I I'm not a particularly religious person either.
And I'm a hundred percent convinced that the Holy Spirit was in the room.
You could feel it.
Uh it was uh just uh an incredible feeling.
And I hope that you know, keep considering there were what how many how many people were ended up in the in the arena?
70,000 at full capacity.
It was about 70 in that arena, and then another, I think 50 in the arena.
The overflow, the overflow for this event was not the parking lot, it was the arena across the arena, which was also filled to the brims and with no speakers, but they had it on the you know, the the uh jumbotron, they had the speakers, and and they said, and every seat was filled there too.
And it was wall-to-wall coverage on the networks, even MSNBC carrying it live without commercial break, CNN doing it, which is mind-blowing.
You know, these they they were broadcasting in the entire I kind of love the idea that the media had to actually listen to the gospel.
Yes.
And they had to give it to their, you know, the the evil demons that listen to this stuff.
Oh demons right demons writhing, screaming, throwing up.
No, no.
But they're losing the plot, man.
They have to totally.
Uh and that was one of the things that they were desperately trying to do yesterday was downplay it.
They were trying to criticize the fact that uh so many people were coming together and not just crying in unison uh and surrendering by cowering down to these people we were uh it was a revival.
i know we've said it 50 times now but that's exactly what it was i would be it was a celebration i would be remiss if i didn't mention this and as as any rush limbaugh fan would know that if rush were alive today he would be spending his entire show comparing this to the wellstone memorial when the democrats got up there and spent the entire day politics all politics demonizing attacking and just just totally off the rails
people giving like crazy long speeches and just just absolute assert absurdism.
Whereas this and by the way just so people you know a little bit behind the scenes I guess that I didn't have a single person you know come to me and say hey this is what we want you to hit you know we want you to you know keep it focused on this none of that none of that I didn't have a single person there were there was no notes there were no I mean I kind of like I can't I kind of sent some like talking points like hey this is what I'm thinking about doing and they were just like looks good.
No and that was it but that I wrote that you know and so I mean you know that like this is all from the heart so we all did that without coordinating.
And that's what Charlie would have wanted.
You know this from doing the Turning Point events.
That's how normal Turning Points are, too.
Turning Point events is one of the only events where I come and I'm like, hey, are there certain things you do want me to talk about, don't want me to talk about?
No.
We love your work, Cliff.
Come and talk to our people about the work you're doing.
Talk about our partners.
That's what Charlie always does.
But it was always whatever you want to do.
The floor is yours.
And I think that those speeches yesterday were...
I definitely pushed Charlie's limits a little bit on that from time to time.
Certain pink hat fiasco that a little while back, which is totally right, by the way.
Nothing was wrong on those hats.
But no, it was touching beyond words.
I don't know if it came across on television.
I'd love to talk to somebody who wasn't there in the room.
I get the sense from just what I'm hearing and friends and folks back home that I've talked to and endless text messages that it did.
I I in that room it it's it was palpable it was absolutely possible palpable and you know I had the question of whether or not I wanted to bring my boys there uh Jack Jack and AJ they're seven and four they knew Uncle Charlie and you know it's it's kind of one of those questions like do you want kids at a few and roll sort of thing and I said you know what I want them there.
I want them there and shout out to Tanya Tay for bringing them and just being with them they were great you know very well behaved all day but you you need that because at the end of the day we're turning this over to them at some point.
Right.
Well when it comes to watching these things this was a long event right I mean when when did it start like 11 the whole thing I think I think the actual if you look at the turning point stream it's like nine hours.
Right.
And the audience, if you look at the retention graph, it just it's not like it drops off.
It continues constant.
But it's such a the turning point production team is freaking incredible when it comes to to making this stuff.
I'm watching the clips back even as I'm there, seeing as people are talking and they you get the reaction from the crowd that the broadcasting live.
They had cameras all over the place that really hit the message home.
You're not just hearing the applause.
You're seeing it.
You're seeing close ups of people crying and people at home were able to connect with that.
I've been talking to people, like even my mom that that watched it.
that's a reaction that that she had to it yeah I mean I think there were first and foremost there was the reaction when you first walked in I'm sure we all had the same exact experience.
I mean it hit me hard walking in that room and I would I got there right about when the like when the first worship was Starting and you know, to me, I mean, especially being on the floor and just kind of looking around, I mean, it was just it was wild.
Um, and then the the most emotional moment for me was uh Jack, your speech was great, but I'm gonna I'm gonna trump it a little bit with uh Erica's speech.
Um Erica's speech was the best.
And it just 100%.
I just couldn't hold back.
Um, and I'm not an uneasy crier, uh, you know, that type of guy.
And uh just when she came out, like before she even spoke, it just became real for me.
Um, and everybody kind of has that oh, you mean that there was that moment before she got to the microphone, yes, where it looked like she was praying because she kind of had her head down a little bit, and then she says, I love you, and it was like a prayer that turned into a message to Charlie.
Yes, yeah.
And I mean, I I don't know how you can watch something like that and not not be moved.
I I don't know.
Even even uh even Milo Ianopoulos tweeted, he said he said that's the second time I've cried this year.
I I don't see President Trump being a uh an emotional guy either, at least he doesn't put on that public face, but the way that he called her up on stage and embraced her at the end, that was making me tear up for sure.
I mean, you could tell how much that meant to her, how much that meant to Erica uh in that moment, and Trump stood up there for what, you know, three, four minutes with her, just uh hugging her, and almost felt like she was uh a granddaughter to him, which is kind of how I took that.
And I mean it's it's it's it's it's family, right?
You know, Charlie was I mean, yeah, and and even Don said it, he's like Charlie was like my little brother, and and I think you could see it in Trump's face on when he was at that 9-11 memorial.
Here's a man who was in New York on 9-11, watched the towers fall from Trump Tower, went down to ground zero a couple of days later, and he's at that memorial, but he also himself just lost a son, right?
Like that was the face of a man who just lost his son.
Cliff, Nick, thank you so much for being here.
Thank you so much for speaking for Charlie for speaking for Erica.
Got one more segment.
Nick, I would think we're gonna have to switch you out because I got a very, very special well-constructed guest.
Oh, yeah.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate you.
Keep up the good work.
*Music*
Jack Rosobic back live, human events daily.
We're here in the Charlie Kirk studio, Phoenix, Arizona.
We got Cliff Maloney on, who was there at the event yesterday, and we have a well-constructed guest, uh, though he's in perhaps need of a little reconstruction right now joining us.
You guys know him as Bricksuit.
Trying to be a little a little incognito today.
Little incognito, you were you were in full uniform yesterday to honor Charlie, and and I appreciate Charlie loved you, man.
Charlie loved you.
He said every time, every time you were coming to an event, if it was turning point, they were like right up front and bring him up, bring him up, set him up, get him a pass, get him up there.
He loved it.
He just he really loved you, man.
Yeah, and you know, when I was at the vigil on Monday, I was in street clothes too, and I saw Tyler there, and Tyler said, You gotta wear the bricks on Sunday.
And it was a you know, it was it was the upbeat event I was looking for, and so that's that's why I was in the Jack.
Question for you.
Uh walk us through what it was like coming up on stage.
I mean, listen, I've spoke to big crowds, never a crowd like that.
I mean, I'm assuming that was the largest crowd you've ever spoke to, and what was that like emotionally?
You know, what was it like emotionally?
It it was just interesting because you know, that's what Charlie was always doing with me before, right?
He was putting me in front of bigger and bigger crowds, he would be building the crowds, and then he shared his platform.
He's like, Cliff Maloney, get up there, Jack Pasobic, get up there, uh, Alex Clark, whoever it is, Riley Gained, get up there, and even Erica from time to time.
And he was he was training us through those reps.
It's like when you go to the gym, you do reps.
And so it wasn't it wasn't the crowd that uh I was I was worried about or the cameras or any of that.
I just I just wanted to do it right for Charlie.
I just wanted to do the job right and give Charlie the honor that he deserved in passing because of the way that he lived, because he was our commanding officer, because he was my commanding officer, and also the understanding that this wasn't an accident.
This was done to him by specific people and a specific series of events.
And it's it's that group that's standing between us and actually being able to unite as a country.
And that's what I talked about.
I said they are splitting Western civilization.
And I just I wanted that all to get across, and that line, I guess, where you know, if you take Charlie, you take Charlie down, who's going to replace him?
Every single one of us.
Every single one of us is going to get up on that line now because Charlie was able to give us that last extra bit of courage to say, all right, now I'm going to step up.
And so I knew that Charlie was with us, and then and that it didn't matter what I thought because I could hear Charlie's voice in my ear saying, Jack, get out there.
And that's it.
You got to do it.
Yeah.
And like I said, I mean, I thought your speech was great.
Um I think uh that was probably the message that took away the most, you know, is you saying that.
Well, you know, all of us are going to replace him.
And I think everybody's got a piece that they got to bring to the puzzle here that puts it together.
Um I think Erica at the helm is just fantastic.
No, I mean, Erica is well, well, well, actually, Brick, because you've known Erica for you know from the events for a while now.
Yes.
What what do you think?
I mean, I I think Erica is perfect for this.
What are your thoughts on Erica Kirk taking the reins?
Look, I I'm all for it.
She has the resolve, she's got the strength, she's got the experience of doing the events and and doing the shows here.
Uh, but I think you know, we're just gonna have to wait until she self-defines how much she wants to do.
Um, because now she's gonna be parenting that her children.
I mean, it's an impossible and it's so can we expect the same type of media cadence out of her event cadence out of hers?
We could with Charlie, probably not that may not be realistic.
We'll see.
Right.
I'd say it may be.
What's so remarkable about this is you watch someone and you think about it, right?
There's the burden of of running a massive organization like that with all the chapters and the high school chapters and and and donors and and all the rest.
Cliff, you know how that goes.
A lot of time on the road.
And a lot, yeah, just time on the road that it takes, plus two young having two young kids beyond the the immediate, but just the needs of two little children.
The blueberries on the sidewalk today when I saw them in there, that crushed me.
Yeah.
And the grief, right?
Her own personal struggle that she has to go through of losing her husband.
And then having to somehow try to explain that to children.
Um I I mean, I I told my kids, I said, my seven-year-old, you know, he's he gets it a little more, and and I was able to say, look, you know, I was able to explain the facts of it to him.
And I said, I said, Uncle Charlie closed his eyes, and when he opened them, he was in heaven.
And I could see, I could see my seven-year-old Jack Jack, and he just had this, you know, this little smile, but like a little tear in his eye.
But the four-year-old, you know, it's tougher when they're that little, and it's it's they just don't understand things.
And I I said, look, the way I said it to him was God's got a big fight coming up, God's going into war on the spiritual side, and he needs his biggest warriors in his army right now.
And that's why he needed Uncle Charlie up there and Hulk Hogan.
And oh man.
And he, and it's and it's okay, so he's in God's army now.
And for the four-year-old, for a boy at least, right, that's something that he can wrap his mind around.
But but they don't understand scale, they don't understand you know, time or any of this.
And I I just I love the fact that they got to meet him, that they got to know him a little bit, and that we have we have these videos now.
And uh well, you actually and let's bring this up because you have a great idea, which I don't want to get ahead of anything, but may already be in the works uh regarding an app that we could use for this gigantic body of work that's out there of Charlie.
Yeah, I mean, there's so many not just this, not just his debates on college, but you know, any anything from his speeches.
There's so many things that he's put out there, and if you want to find out like what did Charlie Kirk think about this, or what did Charlie Kirk think about that, and you go to a search engine, you're gonna be getting all sorts of uncurated results.
Exactly.
You get all the attack pieces.
So, I mean, what you know, what I what I sent to you was a suggestion that it would be wonderful if there was a turning point landing page that you could go to and say, you know, what did Charlie Kirk say on this topic?
A drop-down list, you select it, and then it gives you any clips in which that's related.
So you could go and see, like, you know, and where it was at this is at this debate on this speech.
And some of those segments may have one or two schedules, I mean one or two subjects, and so they might get cross-indexed and be in two different things, and that's fine.
Wait, Cliff, do you remember on the issues?
Yes, remember on the issues?
This used to be something they used to do for candidates, and it would be it was like the worst formatted website in the world, but it would it it had this.
This is like back this like 90s technology where it would just go through each candidate on the issues, and you know, you could you could pull different quotes, but it would be well resourced and footnoted, and what you'd have the whatever it was.
But you're saying with Charlie, because of the technology that we have now, you know, we don't need to just go to you know, written quotes, we can have that too, but you could actually pull up the video, and so you know, what did Charlie think about?
And you could do the spiritual, you could do the political, you could do the personal.
And even his last interview was was about per was about business, really, right?
You know, and and entrepreneurship.
So I mean, you've got all this out.
I mean, Cliff, what do you think?
Is that is that something that would work?
I think it'd be great.
Um, and I look the one thing I always say is obviously there's no silver lining in this, um, but if you had to pick one, uh, it's how many new people are now actually looking into Charlie Kirk.
Not what the media says about him, not the garbage on Wikipedia, but they are actually looking at what he said.
They're looking at videos of him giving speeches, his interactions, the way he answers questions, all the prove me wrongs.
New people, and I mean, to the tunes of millions, are coming to the message of freedom and liberty through this horrific tragedy.
And so I think, yeah, the more that we can do to memorialize some of Charlie's positions and all the kind of assets or the the production teams, you know, things that they've put out, I think it's better because I think you're gonna continuously have people that want to know who is Charlie Kirk.
Cliff Maloney, Brick Suit, I want to thank you for being here today, and I want to echo your words.
We can build good from this, but we can't forget that this was an act of pure unmitigated evil.
And for that evil, justice must be done.
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