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TRIBE-ON-TRIBE VIOLENCE: Chaos Erupts In Cincinnati & New Deadline For Russia Ceasefire

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Russia is making rapid advances in eastern Ukraine in a fresh offensive push.
Russian forces have captured multiple villages in Donetsk and Dnipro region.
Ukraine has confirmed Russia's offensive onslaught.
According to Ukraine's general staff, 69 combat engagements took place across the battlefield in 24 hours.
Kyiv claims dozens of Russian attacks were repelled, but Russian forces were successful in breaching Ukrainian defense in several places.
If the victory wasn't stolen from him in 2020, maybe the Ukrainian crisis that arose in 2022 appeared.
I'm not so interested in talking anymore.
We have such nice conversations, such respectful and nice conversations, and then people die the following night.
Earlier you said that you were going to change the deadline from 50 days to 230 deadline to 2020.
I'm going to make a new deadline of about 10 or 12 days from today.
There's no reason in waiting.
There's no reason in waiting.
It's 50 days.
I want to be generous, but we just don't see any progress being made.
Last administration lost track of 300,000.
So President Trump committed we're going to find every one of these children.
We've already found 13,000 of these kids, over 13,000 of these kids.
New details about what Team Trump wanted to know over these past two days of talks with Maxwell.
She was asked maybe about 100 different people.
She answered questions about everybody, and she didn't hold anything back.
100 different people?
100 names, Mr. President?
And by the way, I never went to the island, and Bill Clinton went there supposedly 28 times.
I never went to the island, but Larry Summers, I hear, went there.
He was the head of Harvard.
And many other people that are very big people, nobody ever talks about them.
There was a group of people who attacked a couple folks on the street in Cincinnati.
What I saw is a mob of lawless thugs beating up on an innocent person, and it's disgusting.
And I hope every single one of those people who engage in violence is prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
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Anno Domini over the weekend, there were a number of stories that came out, but one of the ones that came across the wire that I just couldn't stop thinking about over and over and over was this massive, obviously racially incited mob violence in Cincinnati.
And people want to go back and forth.
They say, oh, well, you know, someone said something and that led to this and this led to that.
And people are being intimidated.
I said, look, look, look.
It's very clear that what started out as a situation, and this is me just watching the videos, and as I've always said in any situation, show me what happened 60 seconds before the viral video began.
Show me what happened before, of course.
And I'm always going to have that standard.
So show me what happened before.
Show me the context.
But what you can see on the videos is very clear.
There are women being thrown to the ground and stomped on and beaten.
Young women, old women.
And you hear a mob of people cheering.
Cheering, applauding, clapping.
We don't have to live like this.
We shouldn't live like this.
And in a serious country, it wouldn't take the federal government getting involved for this situation to be dealt with.
Mob violence, regardless of if it's a white mob or a black mob, should always be put down.
There's no question.
The only question apparently is that people have is whether or not anyone cares.
Because you saw over the weekend that it was social media that drove this story to the national forefront.
It was not, in fact, local media.
It was not, in fact, national media.
No, it was social media.
Social media and the special connection that the Trump administration has with social media.
Donald Trump himself, of course, being a longtime user of social media.
In fact, the platform X, even though he doesn't quite use it as much as he used to, he now has Truth Social.
Elon Musk drove this over the weekend.
And of course, JD Vance, who hails from Ohio and is the former senator of Ohio, is now our vice president, and he has spoken out against it as well.
Folks, it's becoming untenable.
It's becoming completely untenable over and over and over.
If two people want to engage in mutual combat, that's one thing.
All right.
We have no idea what started this.
But what you're seeing here is group on group violence, where we are members of one racial group.
So we are black and you're white.
So we're going to wage violence on all of you.
All right.
This is what happens when civilizations break down.
This is what happens when societies break down.
This is what happens when the rule of law breaks down.
You don't go back into some sort of primordial stew where everyone's living in peace and harmony.
No, no.
What do you get?
It's my tribe versus your tribe.
And my tribe has to destroy your tribe.
That is human nature.
That is human history.
Whether you like it or not, there are cave paintings from 50,000 years ago that you can find and depicts exactly this.
The tribe taking out someone or a group of people that they decide are the other.
So this is what we've got.
Tribe on tribe violence on the streets of Cincinnati.
We'll be right back.
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All right, very excited to have on now on our program, former Department of Defense official Dan Caldwell joins us.
Dan, how are you?
I'm doing great.
Thanks for having me on.
Hey, of course.
So had to get you on and right into the mix of it.
President Trump made some comments earlier today there in Scotland where he was meeting with UK Prime Minister Kier Stahmer regarding the situation in Russia, these peace talks, which really do seem, I'm just going to say it, they seem like they've been stalled out.
The battlefront is what it is in eastern Ukraine, in those Russian-speaking provinces.
President Trump initially saying 50-day deadline, now saying 10 to 12-day deadline.
We're not exactly sure what happens at the end of that.
It seems like he's trying to get talks to restart.
But I wanted to get your sense on what the situation really is on the ground in Ukraine and what cards the U.S., if any, really has to play here.
Well, thanks, Jack.
And this is a very important question.
Look, I understand why President Trump is frustrated is President Putin has not had a real incentive to move rapidly on peace talks.
And that is because there is an unfortunate reality, and that is, is that Russia has a military, manpower, and material advantage that the West, including all of NATO, can't really overcome.
And so he doesn't really, he's not in a position right now where he feels like he really needs to stop the fighting because he feels like he can achieve more of his military objectives over the next few months.
So what does that mean?
So the reality is the Russians have a three to one manpower advantage over the Ukrainians.
They just simply have more people than the Ukrainians.
In addition, the Ukrainian military is having a lot of problems.
The people in the West like to focus on how much aid that the United States or NATO is giving Ukraine, but they're really their biggest problem, again, comes down to manpower is they just don't have enough people.
They're having higher levels of desertions.
I've heard reports that there's been over 100,000 desertions already this year.
Now, in fairness, some of those are guys actually deserting from one unit to another.
They don't like the unit they're in, so they're going to go to a unit they think is better.
But a lot of it too has to do with that people just don't want to be thrown in a meat grinder.
So I've even seen some very pro-Ukraine voices in the last week or so acknowledge that the Ukrainian military is in really bad shape.
There may be a breakdown in some of their lines and the Russians' advances may accelerate.
And so that is a really unfortunate reality.
And here's the tougher pill to swallow, I think, for a lot of people in the West, is short of a direct intervention by NATO, which of course would be really dangerous and could lead to a nuclear war.
There's really not a lot that we can do to fundamentally change the battlefield dynamics in Ukraine.
So it's a very difficult situation.
And again, I understand where President Trump's coming from.
He doesn't like to see the killing.
He doesn't like to see the destruction of these cities, but there's not a whole lot that we can do unless we risk nuclear war or we do things that can hurt us economically to really change the current balance of power on the battlefield.
And not only that, but we also saw over the weekend two items, and I kind of put them in contention because you've got the massive protests now we're seeing in Kiev and other places where they're calling out.
Now, these are not anti-war protests.
I want to be clear about that to everyone, but they are sort of anti-Zelensky in the sense that he has signed this new bill, effectively shutting down a lot of the anti-corruption watchdog bureaus that were set up post-2014, post-Maidan within Ukraine.
So he signed a new law basically shutting them down.
Again, this is a guy who's been in office without an election now for a very, very long time.
He was elected in 2019.
So he's now been in office for six years.
Martial law, of course, was imposed on the country due to the invasion, but he continues beyond his original term.
And so that's sort of what you're starting to see blow over into this Deteriorating political condition, which lines up with everything you're talking about regarding the front lines between the movement of people and troops from unit to unit, and as well as the lack of supplies.
The EU just announced over the weekend, by the way, that they are going to be cutting their aid to Ukraine, I think, almost $2 billion over these corruption concerns.
This is certainly something that's very serious.
And at the same time, on the battlefield, we were talking about this earlier in the spring.
We said end of July is when you would really see Russia attempt to make a breakout along some of these lines.
That's when the fighting season really kicks off.
And we've got this map up that I can show of Pokros, which is right there now getting squeezed as the Russians really move to envelop this key city.
And, you know, people say, okay, well, what is this?
We're zoomed in.
If you look at all the green right there, that's exactly the spot where this late July offensive is that we predicted would come out.
Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer was on here.
That's now happening across a key intersection for logistics in terms of a hub between the highways for pretty much all the main cities on the eastern front.
So if they take the logistics hub, now you've got a straight shot potentially all the way back down to the river from the Dniper, which runs north-south.
And of course, is the same river on which Kiev itself sits.
So Dan, when we're talking about this, those eastern cities, those really are the ones that have the most defensives.
Those are the ones that really have the most built-up armaments, the built-up battlements.
You know, the cities beyond these areas just don't really have the level of defenses that we saw in the east.
That's correct.
And they started building up those defenses all the way back in 2014 during the first phase of the Donbass War.
And I think this has been a mistake of the Ukrainian military is that they have chosen to prioritize holding cities that really there's no strategic advantage to hold like Bakhmut in 2023, that incredibly bloody battle.
Had they not sacrificed potentially tens of thousands of troops in that pointless battle, their counteroffensive likely would have been more effective.
And continuing to double down on these cities that they know they're going to lose in the coming months, they would make the argument as, oh, we're bleeding the Russians.
But again, the Russians have more men to sacrifice.
And by prioritizing these types of operations, the operation in Nakursk, instead of moving back to more defensive positions, hardening up in certain areas, shortening their lines, they make these decisions that are more political in nature than based on sound military strategy.
And that gets back to what you were talking about earlier about Zelensky and his political position.
I think we have to be honest here.
Zelensky and his right-hand man, Yermok, who I just have to say might as well be a Russian agent because I think he's done more to harm Ukraine over the past couple of years than just about anybody else.
They really know that they're done as soon as the war is over or there's an election.
So they have an incentive to keep this going and to keep these spectacular political operations that keep some of their supporters in the West happy.
But again, they really have to make some hard decisions here, shorten their lines, move to more of an active defensive strategy, and that will allow them to hold on longer and get to a place where they are in better shape in negotiations.
But again, that requires acknowledging some things that will cause them to take some political blows that Zelensky and Yermok just aren't willing to do.
And of course, this is also why I think, you know, if you see from the Russian side, they're saying if we're enveloping these key cities, if we're at the point where they might even be looking at the potential for severing Ukrainian supply lines to the east, I think they're sitting there from the perspective of saying, why should we negotiate when we're winning?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
That's a key thing is they have a military advantage.
And I want to get back to something I said earlier.
There's just simply not a lot of things the West can do to change that.
You know, there's been a lot of talk, for example, about giving Ukraine more Patriot missiles.
And I think President Trump has found a way to do it effectively in the short term without undermining our own readiness.
But it doesn't change the reality that the United States only produces around 600 Patriot missiles a year.
The Russians produce 1,200 excander ballistic missiles a year, and that doesn't include their Konzal missiles.
It doesn't include their Jaren drones, other things that at times we've used the Patriots to shoot down.
That's a mathematical reality that's not going to change over the next few months.
So even if we were to start surging supplies to Ukraine, you'd only buy them another few months in their current position.
And that would at the same time completely undermine our readiness in other key theaters, namely the Pacific and the Middle East, where, God forbid, things kick off there.
We may have to expend more munitions there.
So there's some mathematical realities around manpower, around the West's ability to produce things that unfortunately we just can't change.
So I would just say to President Trump, the administration, I understand where you're coming from.
There's some short-term things I understand you're trying to accomplish.
But in the long term, this is going to ultimately end with Ukraine making some tough concessions and Russia controlling more of Ukraine, likely what they do now.
And this really is the threat.
And by the way, it's the people of Ukraine who suffer the most here.
And that needs to be said over and over and over.
And I remember traveling there during the war to some of these areas that were not at the front, but pretty close.
And these are good people.
They don't deserve any of this.
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We are talking about all things Ukraine.
We're talking about all things that are going down on the battlefield.
And we're speaking with Dan Caldwell, former Department of Defense official.
Dan, one of the things that I've heard a lot of people say, politically speaking, is a potential political situation that the Trump administration could certainly find themselves in, you know, just scenario down the line that if Ukraine does, and as we're sort of talking about, this sounds like a situation that runs the risk of a collapse.
And if there's an Afghanistan-style collapse going into midterms politically, that's obviously going to be a huge price for the administration, as it was for Biden.
If, of course, that's only really if this becomes Trump's war, even though I think it's still more seen as a Biden thing at this point.
But, you know, those images that we saw of Afghanistan, certainly ones that no one's ever going to forget.
And I think a lot of people would hate to see images like that coming out of Ukraine, coming out of Kiev, especially.
And then there's Zelensky himself.
They're already protesting him.
I mean, what happens if we're in a situation where Zelensky is fleeing to London before Christmas?
Well, I just would say that, you know, I think one solution here is just to give Zelensky Stephen Colbert's spot on CBS, you know, give him something to do, get him out of Ukraine.
That could be part of the deal.
I mean, that's, we were talking about it.
That's, that's a, you know, Zelensky was the Jon Stewart of Ukraine before all of this, you know, so that that, that could maybe be part of the peace deal.
But joking aside, you bring up a very, very important point in that President Trump doesn't want this to become his war.
So I think going forward, he needs to find ways to continue to get the Americans extricated out of a leading role in supporting Ukraine, make this more of a European problem.
And at some point, he has, you know, again, I think it would be good the United States helped drive a peace deal, but we need to be able to walk away at some point and say, this is a European problem.
This is a Eurasia problem.
The United States has other more important things to deal with.
Because again, there's a political ramification to it if this thing falls apart under President Trump's watch and if we are ultimately more and more involved.
And I would just go back to what I said earlier.
It's just kind of like with Afghanistan.
You know, the way the withdrawal happened, the way the collapse happened was disgraceful.
But we have to admit is that there was no path to real victory in that war.
Just like there's no path to a total Ukraine victory in this war.
And we need to acknowledge it's going to be somewhat of an ugly peace, but at least it preserves a future for Ukraine and its people going forward, as opposed to a total collapse or total Russian domination.
Well, this is a European Christian nation.
And certainly we hope the best way forward and fastest way forward for peace is something that can be achieved, especially while, again, this is on the European continent.
We know President Trump is there right now working very hard to focus on this.
And of course, what everyone's thinking about is the risk of a wider war escalation, something that would draw the United States in.
And that, of course, leads to the question of our veterans and leads to the question of how we treated the veterans of the last war.
And unfortunately, you know, I saw a statistic that I'm trying to run this down, so I haven't really put it out too much, but it claimed that the number of suicides that are directly attributable or at least associated with the global war on terror is in the tens of thousands.
And to me, that struck even more than this ubiquitous statistic.
We always hear 22 a day.
Tens of thousands.
I mean, you would really have to add that to the total casualty rate of the global war on terror itself, but we just don't do that because we don't count numbers that way.
You've got a new piece out in the New York Times today on veterans and the treatment of veterans.
Tell us about that.
Yeah.
So I would just say on that statistic, you know, I served in the Marine Corps.
I served in Iraq.
More Marines I served with have died by suicide than were killed or injured in the Iraq or Afghanistan wars.
And that's a very common experience, Jack.
I know you served.
That's a very common experience across our peer group.
So my op-ed was focused on the problems within military housing and military healthcare.
And I wrote it with a good friend of mine, Darren Selnick, who served at the DOD with me, and he was focused very much on personnel.
And right now, in large part because of decisions made over the last 20 years, and particularly in the Biden administration, there's serious problems with the military healthcare system and military housing as you have tens of, literally tens of billions of dollars of maintenance backlogs and military housing and in the military healthcare system that are impeding their ability to care for our service members, their families, and veterans, because the military health care system also takes care of military retirees.
So the message of the op-ed was this is a problem that President Trump inherited, just like with Ukraine.
But they have resources as a result of the one big, beautiful bill.
They need to make sure those resources are being used to fix these problems and they're not being moved into some failing acquisition program that just feeds the military industrial complex or helps some pet pork project in some congressional district.
We need to fix these systems because when a military member has to focus on his housing or his health care and problems facing his family, that's less focus they have on their ability to do their actual jobs, which is fight and win wars.
And unfortunately, that often gets overlooked.
So that was the key message here is this is a problem the president inherited.
He has money to fix it.
And him and the Department of Defense should really make sure these problems are fixed because they've also had a lot of success around recruiting.
They want to keep those people.
And if these problems aren't fixed, then people aren't going to have an incentive to re-enlist or re-up and spend 10, 20, 30 years in the military like we want them to.
Oh, that's exactly right.
No, I couldn't agree more.
Please go check out this op-ed.
It's very important.
By the way, I did run down that statistic.
And this is a report from Brown University, the cost of war project.
And okay, so Brown University, that's what's put this out.
And a project from the Watson Institute for International and Public Affairs, their estimate is 30,000 suicides among post-9/11 veterans and active duty personnel.
So 30,000.
It's that, which is just a number that needs to be said over and over.
And it's, you know, moral engineering.
It's how we deployed these guys over and over again.
Yeah.
You know, we're taking National Guardsmen and putting them on 22-month deployments to the sandbox.
It just infuriates me.
And I mean, that's a whole nother episode, but it's a shameful that the people responsible for that happen.
Dan, we'll have you on again.
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Follow me on Exit at Dan D Caldwell.
That's the best place to find my work right now.
All right.
Dan Caldwell, former DOD official.
We'll be right back here.
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So Jeffrey Epstein, Todd Blanche, the Deputy Attorney General, going down and meeting with Ghelane Maxwell for two sessions totaling up to about nine hours.
Now, longtime viewers of Human Events Daily here on Real America's Voice will remember this is something that I've been calling for since her very trial itself, all the way back in 2021, saying, look, you know, I remember from my time at Gitmo, when you've got someone behind bars, yes, it is punishment, but it is also a source of information.
And in fact, a source that is in a fixed position and cannot leave.
So you think of that as a library.
You think of that as an archive.
And now finally, all the way up at the highest level, thanks to the pressure, by the way, of people like the human events audience, people like the posse and the patriots writ large, we're now finally starting to see the wheels turn on this at a very high level.
And you got it, you can't deny that it's a very, very high level when the deputy attorney general has gone down.
And Todd Blanche, a very serious guy, worked with the president on the impeachment, very, very serious.
So I wanted to bring on Shane Cashman to get into this a little bit, chop it up.
Shane, you know him, of course, from Timcast.
He joins Human Events Daily once again.
Shane, how are you?
Hey, Jack.
It's good to be here.
Thanks for having me.
So what do you make of the current status of all of this?
You know, a lot of people said, oh, they're going to cover it up.
It's never, and certainly there have been cover-ups.
And a lot of people thought the government would never go back to it.
President Trump has sent his Deputy Attorney General Bear to a prison cell, or at least the attorney meeting room, with Elaine Maxwell.
Well, I think it's great that we're talking to her finally.
I want to hear everything she has to say.
I think the American people deserve to hear everything.
She is a great source of information, although I will be, I urge everyone to be skeptical of what she says, just in terms of her past.
You know, what she's in jail for is very serious.
I, you know, very reluctant to want to say she deserves a pardon, but I want to hear everything she says, just because what she's complicit in doing is some of the most evil stuff I can imagine happening on earth when it comes to children.
And then, you know, my skepticism is also rooted in her familial ties, her father being Robert Maxwell.
You know, he was involved in some very serious, also high-issue crimes with the Promise scandal in the early 90s.
And he himself was a bit of a, like a media mogul, a bit of a Rupert Murdoch.
I think there were even competition around that same time in terms of owning presses like Pergamon Press and even owning 51% of MTV.
But that all said, you know, I think there has been a mismanagement of information coming from the administration.
And I think a lot of the people around the president seem to be saying things, maybe multiple things.
And I don't think he really knows how to handle it, honestly, in terms of how I hear the messaging, which has been tough for the people to hear.
But this is a great step in getting hopefully some more transparency.
Hopefully we can trust it.
I'm very interested to see what she has to say.
Who are these 100 people she's talking about?
I think we probably know quite a bit of those names already.
And then my skepticism is also rooted in, you know, this case has gone on so long and people talk about the files, which is, you know, I think are important, but it's hard to trust those as well because they've been through so many different hands, through so many administrations and people that, you know, we don't know what's been done to them, who to trust.
And but, you know, I'm very, very eager to hear what they've learned from Galain this time around.
Well, that's right.
And I keep saying over and over, you know, people say, you know, how do you take the word of someone who's been associated with this?
And I point out that that's the same as any source, right?
Any source on any story that you work with, whether you're an investigative journalist, whether you work in intelligence, whether you're an investigator.
Again, you always take it with a grain of salt.
You always take it as skepticism.
You're not doing your job as a reporter or an investigator if you're not.
What you have to do then next is called corroboration.
Okay.
So does this match up with flight logs?
Do we have another source, maybe a pilot or something like that, someone who worked there that can also corroborate what this person has said?
Do we have other?
And again, you know, when you're the deputy attorney general, you have the full resources of the federal government at your fingertips.
So you've got access to every file that was created from the previous investigations, as well as to data for in terms of cell phone records, all sorts of things that can be sought for.
So it's really something where, you know, and I remember I used to get that question all the time when we would have congressional delegations or senators down at Guantanamo said, how can you trust these guys?
Well, we don't.
That's the obvious answer.
We don't.
I saw Speaker Johnson got asked the same question.
I think he was on Face the Nation this weekend, and he got asked that question.
He said, Well, I hope she's truthful.
Well, but it's not just that, Speaker.
It's that you don't trust.
You trust but verify.
Trust but verify.
That's the answer.
That's what it comes down to.
And really, look, you saw even President Trump now, even President Trump is talking about Harvard University and their connections to Epstein.
And boy, we know Harvard University obviously is connected to so many CRT and all of these Occupy movements and all the rest of it.
So the idea that a place like Harvard would be so tied to Epstein, Reid Hoffman, people who are going down to the island, President Trump, of course, confirming that he did not go to the island using some select language.
And I think about Harvard really quick is that is extremely important because not only Larry Summers was the president of Harvard from 2001 to, I think, 2006, but then he, you know, as far as we know, asked for a donation for his wife's like poetry videos from Epstein.
And I believe that happened after the conviction.
That's extremely suspicious.
And Trump, I believe this morning, the president mentioned Summers as well when he was talking about the island.
So Harvard is very, very interesting to me in terms of Epstein.
The other connection would be Eric Weinstein was a student there, and he's talked about Jeffrey Epstein's connections to the math department and how he was, Jeffrey Epstein was very interested in gravity technology.
I don't know what that's all about.
I would love to hear more about those connections and when it comes to that investigation, the corroboration you're talking about.
I hope to see a lot of that and how it affected Harvard because our universities have been completely captured.
And this is just going to be one example of how they're captured.
You know, someone like Epstein is a gatekeeper, a blackmailer, and why he's so interested in these things is quite interesting, especially if I connect it to what I said previously about Robert Maxwell, who did Pergamon Press with a lot of science textbooks that were in a lot of colleges.
So there's very strange coincidences, I'll put in quotes, that connect Epstein, Maxwell, Ghelane to things like the sciences industry in this country.
And this is what it's all about.
These ideas of he talked about genetic stuff at one point.
He had this ranch where he wanted to get into, you know, basically it was reproduction of himself, but on a mass scale.
And he had these ideas of sort of like global depopulation.
And it's sort of like, you know, a seed bank, but a genetic seed bank.
And who knows, perhaps he's got some of those squirreled away somewhere.
But at the end of the day, you know, people are saying that we want to come at this from a political perspective.
And yes, of course, it's very easy to make this into an Rs versus D thing, but I think to your point, it goes way deeper than that.
I think this is part of the spiritual warfare that we are unfortunately trapped within.
You know, we're in a revolving door of tragedy and trauma that's connected to, you know, in my opinion, satanic pedophiles that are, you know, unfortunately have ingratiated themselves into almost every institution, maybe every institution in the country, education, the arts.
You know, it's not just Epstein.
He's just one part of a much bigger thing.
And so when I hear Trump campaigning on Agenda 47 and obliterating the deep state, something I care deeply about, this Epstein story is a part of that invisible network of evildoers that are running this country into the ground, that are turning it against us, that have weaponized the government against the American people.
The Epstein case is so important, not just because of the children, which we want to protect and keep protecting.
And they're harming the innocent.
And on top of that, it's also what are they gatekeeping?
What are they doing to politicians to make them vote a certain way with our tax dollars?
So this is like a really important situation.
It's really important for people to not talk about.
They say don't talk about it, move on.
I think a lot of people are underestimating how important this story is to even people who don't live online as much as you and I might.
I spent the weekend talking to a ton of people just in the real world, family members, friends, and strangers, just talk about Epstein.
And they're like, yeah, that's an insane story.
And I'm like, are you on Twitter?
And they're not on Twitter as much as I am.
I'm addicted.
And people do care because they see it as this destruction of innocence and the attack on children.
And also, why is it so closely related to our government and also governments around the world?
It's not just ours.
So I think this is incredibly important.
And I'm very anxious to see what we get out of this Ghelaine Maxwell questioning.
Well, and it's simple as that.
And when it comes to the nature of these crimes, when it comes to the nature of the crime, by the way, just the crimes that we know about, just the crimes that are public, the crimes that are actually out there in the public domain that you could see there, that she was convicted for, that she's currently serving trial for, or excuse me, serving sentence for right now, that all came out at her trial beyond anything else that could be involved, even though we're told 100 names came up during the course of this nine hours of questioning, which is really just an opening.
By the way, at Getmo, nine hours is nothing.
That is just, that's like, that's like day, day one, day two, right?
That is nothing.
So imagine you can't.
And I just want people to remember, like, this is also about the justice system.
We know, we all know how it's been mutilated over the decades and turned against the people and how other people are allowed to somehow walk.
And we can't forget that when Epstein went to jail in Florida, when he was put away for, it was supposed to be two years, he only did 13 months, that was a pretty sweet little deal he had.
He was like, you even have to stay there overnight.
We'll be right back.
Shane Cashman, Jack Possova, Human Events Daily.
Jack is a great guy.
He's written a fantastic book.
Everybody's talking about it.
Go get it.
And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event.
And we're going to turn him around and make her eventually by the gift.
Amen.
All right, Jack Silvik back live here, Human Events Daily.
Now, this is a story that Shane Cashman over at Teamcast has been working on, and he wanted to share it with us because it's very interesting and perhaps goes deeper than we originally thought.
And it's called, I'm just going to ask Shane.
I'm just going to ask Shane.
Shane, what is the Gothic fire at Area 51?
So the official story is that lightning struck in the area around Area 51 on July 4th and started what became 40,000 acres on fire surrounding Area 51.
It's been, I think, contained.
Last I checked, it was down to half that.
But, you know, it's been worrisome to people.
You know, there's all different theories about it.
You know, oh my goodness, they're trying to get rid of evidence.
They're, you know, trying to get rid of technology that they don't want to be found.
Or it's just, you know, a natural disaster and a fire happening near a super top secret area.
But the thing that's interesting to me is that fires in Area 51 have a long history of infecting people, making people sick who work there.
You can go back to the early 2000s and find articles in SF Gate where former staffers at Area 51 say they were in charge of burn pits that gave them cancer.
And they were burning chemicals.
You know, this is Air 51, for those that don't know, is where like Skunk Works does a lot of building of high technology like, you know, those stealth bombers, which I'll get into in a second.
And they were.
Yeah, and just let me zoom out for a second.
So guys, anyone who doesn't know this by now, Air 51 is 100% real.
It's an actual place.
It is part of the Nevada Test and Training Range in southern Nevada.
It's right next to Groom Lake.
So it has been a place where the Air Force has used for many, many years for these test and experimental aircraft, as well as perhaps other things.
Yeah, you know, there's a ton of theories out there.
People believe there's extraterrestrial life there.
People tried invading Air 51 a few years ago, but there's definitely Lockheed Martin and others out there working on future technology that we can't even imagine yet.
So like I said, in SF Gate in early 2000s, there's articles from staffers at Air 51 saying they were sickened by these burn pits, probably from chemicals used, maybe from paints or who knows what, from things they were building.
But the reason this is so interesting now with the Gothic fires in the news is that at the same time, there's a new group of Air Force vets who are also staffers, handpicked staffers at Area 51, working on multiple top secret projects, one of which they're allowed to tell us was working on the stealth bomber.
And they had a barbecue a few years ago.
This guy, David Crete, had this barbecue together.
And this was first reported in Newsmax.
I want to shout out them for just breaking this crazy story.
They all realized at this barbecue, they had all been suffering from terrible cancers.
And not just like your normal cancer.
It's like they all had grapefruit-sized tumors.
They all had multiple cancers.
David Crete believes, and this is according to his doctors, that this, this, they call it the invisible enemy from these chemicals in Area 51 actually altered his DNA so much so that it gave his son a brain tumor when he was born.
So these guys started talking and being like, wow, there's a ton of us that actually 491 people have died as a part of this program over the years.
You know, they were out of touch for a while.
They got back together for this barbecue and realized, oh my goodness, that's a lot of people from one department out there.
491.
There's actually a wreath now in DC for these 491 who are dead.
And they're trying to pass some legislation to get help because on top of all these issues that they can't talk about and their illnesses, all of their information is data masked because it was all classified information.
So the VA can't help them because they have no way to prove they were around anything dangerous while they're out there working.
So now there's this big push, and I hope it happens, for them to get help to get these things unmasked so these guys can find.
I mean, some of these guys have just lost their tongues.
They can't walk.
Like I said, the altered DNA, it's affecting children.
And that might remind some people who are listening of things such as Agent Orange made by Monsanto during the Vietnam War.
They said, we're going to spray our enemies with Agent Orange, not really thinking, maybe they did, you know, who knows, how it would affect our soldiers.
And it affected our soldiers in horrible ways.
I have people calling into my show who are family members of people who had died from Agent Orange.
And it's tragic.
And, you know, that also affected their children.
So this is another one of those stories that I just, I find egregious.
Yeah, growing up, I had a buddy whose dad was a Marine in Vietnam that he ended up being part of it, getting some of the settlement.
I remember the whole thing from a young age when that happened.
And I would also add that this, something else this reminds me of is, you know, take the military potentially aspect out of it, East Palestine.
So East Palestine, I know you've done a ton of reporting there.
Our network, of course, Real America's Voice and the great Ben Berquam was one of the first on the scene, has gone back multiple times.
And again, what we're all getting around, and by the way, I know veterans who've had all sorts of horrible experiences with burn pits, people whose toenails and fingernails are falling off, all sorts of things.
So these are all chemical symptoms.
What we're all talking about and talking around are clearly related to chemical, the specifics of which, to your point, are very hard to pin down sometime, but the symptoms don't lie, do they?
No.
And, you know, East Palestine is a huge disaster.
You know, our government was semi-involved with the quote-unquote cleanup.
And I just got to shout out Ben for being there.
He was there.
I was there.
Ben was there.
And Steve Bannon were there.
In those weeks afterwards, when those people were completely abandoned, Buddha Jed showed up as like a PR stunt, totally ridiculous.
And these people, for those who forget, Norfolk Southern had the train wreck.
They decided to blow up the car that had this crazy, I'm spacing on the chemical they had, vinyl chloride.
And they literally, what they call it, is they inverted the atmosphere above East Palestine, trapping everything, all the chemicals, major die-offs.
People with apiaries lost all their bees.
They were told they can't use their cattle anymore.
Their agriculture just was done.
They couldn't use their water.
And that was horrible.
And they got like, I think 200 bucks from Norfolk Southern.
Later come to find out they didn't have to blow anything up.
But this is a problem that affects so many places across the country.
You know, talk about stuff like dioxin or dioxide in Times Beach, Missouri.
They just had to close down the entire city.
And the government took it.
It's a brown site with eminent domain because you couldn't live there anymore.
It was completely, it would just, it was, it would make you sick.
It would give you cancer.
So, you know, East Palestine is still suffering.
And I think about those people all the time because they just decimated that entire town.
So, yeah, I mean, one, by the way, two other people who were there, by the way, of course, then Senator J.D. Vance, and as he was running for president, Donald J. Trump.
They went at a time when, to your point, nobody is.
I've always, by the way, referred to East Palestine as a real turning point for that was the turning point in the story of Trump after the after Jan 6 in a way that even the Mar-a-Lago raid wasn't necessarily a turning point.
I really think East Palestine gets overlooked as just how important it was.
And I think it was a political thing in terms of, I mean, I don't think it was political that they blew it up, but it was political that they were forgotten and abandoned by the Biden administration.
Because if you go there, it's Trump, it's Trump territory.
These are the little towns of America that showed up.
The Hollywood doesn't care about.
Finance doesn't care about.
Nobody cared about.
But Trump clearly cared.
And it was great to see.
But those people are still out there suffering.
And they had illnesses like that, little kids with rashes that week.
So, and I just hope that they're getting the help that they need.
But those people will tell you, they grew up, say, an hour or two north in Ohio.
And there's a lake that just sometimes lights on fire because of chemicals that are in it.
So these things are unfortunately everywhere.
Right.
And I'll never forget, you know, the EPA administrator going down and people walking up.
Would you want some of the water?
Drink some of the water.
Go ahead.
It's all safe.
Here you go.
Here's a cup.
Go for it.
Will you drink some?
Look, at the end of the day, people are tired of the lies, whether it be East Palestine, Area 51, Jeffrey Epstein.
We're going to be doing a whole piece on Oklahoma City next week.
People just want the truth.
And by the way, they want the truth and let the chips fall where they may.
Let the chips fall where they may.
Give us the truth.
We can handle it.
Shane Cashman, where can people go to follow you and get your show, man?
Jack, thank you so much for having me back on.
It's always a pleasure to talk.
You guys can find me online at Shane Cashman on X and Instagram.
And the show is Inverted World Live.
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