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July 16, 2025 - Human Events Daily - Jack Posobiec
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The Curious Case Of Mr. Epstein, Ice Agents Being Doxxed & Insight On Upcoming Interview w/ Trump
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We're live here in Washington, D.C. So Jeffrey Epstein.
Jeffrey Epstein, the man who will never die.
The man who will never die.
See, a lot of people are asking, and I, of course, I saw President Trump's Truth Social, his comments earlier today in the Oval Office regarding this.
I also am told about an interview that he held with John Solomon, our colleague here at Real America's Voice, which will air later tonight in the 6 p.m. hour, where he talks about releasing any legitimate information that the government does have on Jeffrey Epstein.
And specifically, he mentions that's for the prosecutor to do.
So the question is, of course, does that mean that he supports the special prosecutor that many of us have been calling for on Epstein?
But I want to get into a broader sense.
Okay.
The Epstein list was never about Epstein, the person, the man, the man who was, by the way, brought to justice by the original Trump administration.
It was about everyone else involved who are perhaps still in positions of influence out in the world, out in the world of business and tech in Silicon Valley.
Who knows?
That's why it matters.
Epstein may be dead, but his clients and his network isn't.
It could be all over.
We're talking Hollywood, banks, media, perhaps even in positions of government or foreign government.
We don't know.
That's the point.
So at the end of the day, it is about the victims, 100%, and getting justice for them.
But on another level, it's about taking the fight to the deep state.
A deep state that has been the thorn in the side of MAGA since day one.
A deep state that's been going after President Trump since day one.
And a deep state which absolutely knows more than they're letting on.
And they simply do.
We're going to have Mike Benz on soon to break this down even further to talk more about, and we've done for years investigations onto Epstein here, and we will continue to do so.
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All right, now folks, we are very excited to have Mike Benz on here, the executive director of the foundation Freedom Online.
Benz, you know, you've been someone who's, you know, you're pretty quiet about the Epstein case.
It's not really something that you've covered a lot.
Is there anything that you want to add here?
I mean, I know it's not really your bailiwick.
No, I think I've said all.
No, I'm kidding, obviously.
No.
Listen, the reason that I'm that the Epstein case.
This idea that people are trying to tie it to President Trump, I think, is the opposite way to look at it, because I think what people are trying to do is actually see where the web goes to the people that we know or, excuse me, don't know that are associated already, because President Trump's role in this has been looked into.
And actually, as far as I can tell, he's the only one who comes out actually smelling pretty good.
Well, if you remember, what was it, 2015, 2016, when in a public interview, I think it was even on a, maybe not the debate stage, but that quote where Trump says, he's asked about, I think, Bill Clinton or Hillary, and he says, well, he's going to have a problem with a little guy named Jeffrey Epstein.
And, yeah, I mean, Trump was using the Epstein stuff as a sword against the Clinton family when he ran for president.
So, you know, to call it a Democrat hoax.
Now, look, everyone knows what this is.
You can't, you know, Trump wants us to go away for a myriad of reasons.
And some of them are quite legitimate.
I have a very different take, I think, on the Epstein situation than most of the folks that I think are covering it in terms of what I think the nature of the intelligence relationship that Epstein had was.
And I think that I'm mostly focused on Epstein's role as a financial facilitator for governments and doing so in a covert fashion that would make this driven by intelligence rather than formal diplomatic channels.
And rather than on the kind of blackmail side of this, which is, I think, what Epstein is more commonly known as in MAGA parlance.
And so I think that Trump's instincts of saying, well, listen, if we talk about all the different names here, there's not going to be any context reported, and they're going to be associated with child sex trafficking when really they didn't do anything wrong.
I think that is true.
The issue is, is the intelligence question is unanswered, and I think very deliberately unanswered because of what it would entail to reveal it.
But I believe that the intelligence side of the equation when it comes to Epstein has primarily to do with Epstein's role as a financial fixer rather than as some sort of sexual blackmailer.
But I think that the Pam Bondi Justice Department probably does not know where to look for that information around covert financing for covert action.
And so I think a lot of it is getting congested at the DOJ layer, mixed with the fact that the national security community, as well as international partners, would not necessarily love that information to be made public.
Well, I think that's right.
And of course, the intelligence community would love someone who would be able to essentially run their slush funds for them for black operations.
There's even been some reporting recently that Epstein, one of his original clients may have been Adnan Khashoggi, who was directly tied to Iran-Contra.
And of course, we all know about his son, Jamal Khashoggi.
And so right there, you're looking at ways for someone, for the Intel community to be able to reach out, find a node.
They did this many times in the past with private industry where, you know, reach out and find some famous figure to be able to put something out for them so that it doesn't actually have to be on their books.
That's exactly right.
In fact, Iran-Contra was ran the exact way.
Adan Khashoggi was the guy who started the Iran-Contra affair.
He was the reportedly wealthiest man in the world at one point.
He was the richest arms dealer in world history.
He made three times more in commissions for Lockheed Martin than every other commissions agent for Lockheed Martin combined, over three times more than every other commissions agent combined.
He was the CIA's illicit, top arms dealer as well as illicit and covert arms dealer for all activity in the Middle East.
And he was the one, the Saudi billionaire who flew to the White House in 1983 to meet with Robert McFarlane, the National Security Advisor, to pitch the idea of having U.S. weapons shipped to Israel and then delivered to Iran and then have the proceeds siphoned off to support the Contras, the Nicaraguan Contras, to hit two birds with one stone, two illegal activities.
There was an arms embargo on Iran, so that was illegal.
And Congress had passed the Bolin Amendment banning funds going to the Nicaraguan Contras.
And so it had to be structured as a covert action.
This could not be formally done above the light, you know, in the light of day by the Reagan administration.
So they used basically Saudi and Israeli financiers and weapons dealers in order to knock out two birds with one stone.
And as you mentioned, in Epstein's own words, he said in 1987 that Adnan Khashoggi was one of his personal clients.
1987 was the middle of Iran-Contra.
That ran from 1983 to 1988.
So, and who was at the Justice Department at the time?
It was at the CIA at the time, actually.
It was Bill Barr.
Bill Barr started his career in the CIA.
He worked there for six years during Iran-Contra.
Bill Barr's father also worked for the CIA and basically had hired Jeffrey Epstein to the Dalton School while Donald Barr was headmaster there.
And then Bill Barr was the cover-up.
According to the New York Times, ran a headline calling Bill Barr the, quote, cover-up general of Iran-Contra because he was the one who blocked access to CIA records when there was an investigation into that covert action and then basically orchestrated the pardons and cover-ups into that very affair that Jeffrey Epstein's whole network ran through, including Jeffrey Epstein himself.
A lot of this has to do with the fact that in the late 1970s, when the Iranian revolution happened and the government that had been backed by both the U.S., Israelis, and Brits within Iran, when that government was toppled in Iran,
combined with Jimmy Carter severing the capacities of the CIA, from 1979 through the 1980s, an offshore, private, self-sustained, standalone covert financing operation network had to be tapped into in order to run operations that the CIA was getting in trouble for directly facilitating.
So they began to use these outside facilitators, and Epstein was one of them.
This explains Ace Greenberg at Bear Stearns.
This explains Edgar Bromfey and the family portfolio he ran there.
This explains Adnan can be dug out.
Mike Benz, quick break, right back.
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I want to go back to Mike Benz now.
Mike, you were talking about all of these different nodes that roll up with Epstein.
I want to shift gears here.
We've got a couple of minutes left in this segment and go all the way through and talk about, look, there's this idea that a lot of us called for when we were down in Tampa.
I was there with Charlie.
I was there with Steve Bannon.
And a lot of us are pushing for a special prosecutor.
President Trump has said twice yesterday and once he mentioned it even again today, we're told that he also said it as well in this pre-taped interview.
It's going to be with John Solomon.
Airs on Real America's Voice later tonight, 6 p.m.
And I hope everyone is tuning in.
I know I certainly will be to that, where he's calling for a special prosecutor and says, if there is legitimate information out there, let's release it.
So Ben's, I say we take that ball and roll and run with it.
You know, we're talking about the criminal charges, but also you're talking about these financial operations that he was involved in, all of this information as well.
Yeah, that's exactly right.
So you could do it through a special prosecutor.
You could do it through a transparency working group.
Ed Martin, for example, is now running this weaponization task force within DOJ.
I think that that would also be an appropriate place to spearhead an investigation.
I think when you start looking into the Epstein story, what you see is a very, very technical, detail-laden story that laces its way through U.S. foreign policy, through Middle East foreign policy, through a Western ally foreign policy, through North African country foreign policy.
I don't think Pam Bondi is, you know, with her, given all the other responsibilities that she has as the head of the U.S. Justice Department, is the person who, you know, is or should be the keeper of all, you know, I don't think she needs to be personally spearheading this sort of thing.
I don't think that, you know, she necessarily has the background experience or know-how in this particular thing.
What you need is somebody within DOJ who will be tasked with what to ask for, who will spend their time on this and the details of the case.
And what you need from Pam Bondi is basically the muscle applied in order to greenlight and make sure that documents are delivered to the task force or special prosecutor from the relevant agencies.
And so this is why I stress that Pam Bondi, as Attorney General, has an office that reports directly to her.
It's Called OPR, the Office of Professional Responsibility.
In November 2020, two weeks after Trump lost the 2020 election, but while Bill Barr was still running the Justice Department, an investigation that had taken, I think, something like it was from February 2019 to November 2020.
So this is like a 21-month investigation that OPR led into the plea deal cut for Epstein and investigated Alex Acosta and his statements that Epstein, quote, belonged to intelligence and whether that played a factor into the plea deal.
Now, you're talking about a huge, sweeping, enormously lengthy investigation by the Justice Department OPR into this exact question.
Now, all we got in the 348-page report that Justice Department released, but then weirdly deleted from its website, even though you can find it through other channels.
In that 348-page report, there is a very limited hangout question which is asked.
First of all, there's no transcript.
There's a summary one-line description that OPR investigators asked Acosta, did you have knowledge that Epstein was an intelligence asset?
And Acosta told us the answer is no.
Well, that is not the right question to ask.
That question is, because I don't think Epstein would have been an asset.
Financial fixers, financial facilitators almost never are.
I did a recent study into this, and eight out of 10 financial fixers from that same era were not CIA assets.
There was no human intelligence 201 file on them.
They were never formally recruited.
What they were were witting cooperative contacts.
They were liaisons, facilitators.
They didn't work for the agency, but they worked with the agency to broker international deals that the State Department did not want to be seen as directly brokering.
And so you need to know what to look for.
So first of all, we need to see exactly what Acosta was asked and exactly what Acosta answered.
That way we know if the Justice Department has ever really looked into this before.
We also need, because OPR reports directly to Bill Barr and his then deputy Jeffrey Rosen, who has his own strange history with Trump World, we need to know if the Attorney General's office before Pambondi attempted to shape the inquiries into Epstein's intelligence ties,
given that Bill Barr was the mop-up man for the Iran-Contra scandal for the CIA, which directly involved Epstein's networks, you can immediately see why Bill Barr would want to shape the OPR investigation to ward off any attempt to ask the relevant questions.
We also need all the email traffic around the 2020 OPR investigation from the CIA's Office of General Counsel, which is parked at the Justice Department in order to make sure that sensitive or classified information is disclosed in a way that does not reveal U.S. national secrets and is basically the cover-up arm of the CIA.
We need to know if CIA OGR, the Office of General Counsel, CIA OGC, shaped that OPR investigation.
We need the transcript of what they actually asked about Epstein's intelligence ties and what Acosta actually answered.
And we need all the relevant files, records, emails, communications, text messages around Bill Barr, Jeffrey Rosen, and the OPR team to shape public today.
Immediately.
That's literally right down the hallway at Maine Justice from Pam Bondi.
And that doesn't require you to go into past CIA activity and outside financiers from the 80s, 90s, and 2000s about the role that Epstein played.
Start there.
That can be done without a special prosecutor, although I think a special prosecutor would be fantastic.
But show us that you mean it when you say you're actually looking into it because you can do this right now.
You can walk down the hallway.
Amen, Mike.
We've got a run.
That's just enough time, or just out of time, I should say, for this segment.
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Human events daily Washington, D.C. You just had the great Mike Benz on, and I think he's right.
I think he's absolutely right on this question of a special prosecutor.
I also think that he's got options on specifically things that the DOJ can do right now, today, to be able to get into this.
And really, really, this is something that I just have to say, it's absolutely blown up in terms of our comments.
I'm looking at hundreds and hundreds of comments that are coming in right now regarding this.
You know, people asking, people saying, you know, this is the one scandal that could unite the left and the right, you know, or getting that in.
Epstein is dead, but the web he operated within is very much alive.
And while many are only now awakening to the scale and depth of the network, it is clear that we are dealing with this nonpartisan issue.
It's crossed its crisis of elite power, protected by both parties and hidden behind closed doors.
And again, it's just comment after comment after comment.
People saying, we want more.
We want more.
We want to see what's going on.
And I do think, you know, look, guys, I gave a speech about this down in Tampa.
I certainly mentioned it there, among other things.
But I said that this isn't a story that's going to go away until people feel that there has been some accountability.
And I think that's what people want at the end of the day.
They're not, this isn't about people saying, oh, we're going to blame this person or that person because you didn't do this.
No, no, no, no.
This is about getting accountability for something that goes all the way back to the very beginning, the very origins of the MAGA movement.
This idea that our government is corrupt and has been working against us for other special interests.
And in this case, perhaps nefarious interests.
But the intelligence agencies and the intelligence community has gone far abroad of their remit, far abroad of whatever they were set up for in the first place, the collection of intelligence, the protection of the homeland, the protection of the nation.
And for folks trying to make sense of American foreign policy and yes, even domestic policy choices over the last 30 plus years, this is an example.
It's an example of something that's come in.
Here's a message from John in Virginia.
For the life of me, I can't understand why President Trump has taken the approach he has towards his supporters for demanding full transparency about the Epstein file.
He's offended many who have expressed they no longer support him.
This will not be good for the 2026 midterms.
Many have said they will just not vote.
If this is a hoax, President Trump is, if this is the hoax, President Trump is claiming his attitude is spending political capital.
And that's just an email we got in at 1776 at humanevents.com.
But that really is following the tenor of most of the emails that I'm seeing here.
It can really sum that up where people are saying, wait a minute, you know, we were the ones who were brought in.
We were the ones who were asked about this.
By the way, and I'll, you know, I've reiterated this a number of times, but I was brought to the White House for a meeting and nobody said anything about Jeffrey Epstein to me until the attorney general came in.
So, you know, this is, this is where this all stems from.
This isn't stemming from some pent up outrage.
You know, we were the ones who were brought in.
So not the other way around.
And yeah, I'm just reading comment after comment after comment on this.
And of course, you know, this is, there's a lot of dry zand effect, I think, going on right here as well, where people are saying, you know, we want more.
We don't know what's going on.
And at the end of the day, though, I do think that those concerns will be heard.
I have hoped they will.
I pray that they will.
And I trust that President Trump will do the right thing because, well, I've been in this movement for a decade at this point.
Certainly it's changed my life in many, many ways.
And we are here now.
And look at where we were 10 years ago versus where we are now.
And it's just been an absolute sea change since President Trump came down from that escalator to where we are now.
And I'm also very honored, by the way, to be able to say that as we continue this, the main quest, the main quest fight against illegal aliens, illegal immigration, I've always said that is the main quest, the main plot that we have here on the program.
Once again, Tricia McLaughlin, the Assistant Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, joining us.
Tricia, how are you?
Jack, I'm great.
I'm so sorry.
We've had tech issues on our side, but I wish I could see your face.
It's all right.
Well, you know, it was nice being able to see you briefly while we were there at Turning Point in the Student Action Summit, Secretary Noam's great speech and the great, I think it was a real personal touch from her, you know, really coming in and praying for the safety of federal law enforcement and really all law enforcement officers,
because even in the days since that speech, or perhaps I'm guessing you guys probably knew more about this than was public at the time, that we've seen more and more doxing, more and more targeted attacks on actual ICE employees regarding the situation at the California marijuana facility.
Jack, you're exactly right.
Right now, our ICE law enforcement are facing an 830% increase in assaults against them.
We're seeing that they're being shot at.
We saw that with that marijuana facility, which, as I know, your listeners are likely aware, that's where we located 14 children, including 10 of which were unaccompanied, likely being exploited, trafficked, potentially slave or forced labor, just horrendous there.
But our law enforcement, they're the ones who rescued these innocent children.
And yet you have Gavin Newsome, AOC, Tim Waltz, Mayor Wu out of Boston, you name it, Democrat Dujor, who is likening ICE to the Gestapo and encouraging threats and assaults against them.
So, you know, if you see a law enforcement officer, whether it be ICE or CBP or otherwise, thank them for their service because they are being targeted.
Their families are being doxxed.
And we pray for their safety, but we're also working to make sure we prosecute to the full extent of the law, those who do try to do harm to our law enforcement.
Now, if I can zoom in a little bit specifically on that case regarding the individual who was shooting at the ICE agents there in California, are there any updates on this identification, apprehension?
I know there's been some other apprehensions recently, but has that one actually come down yet?
This one in particular, we have a $50,000 bounty on this guy's head by the FBI.
Our Homeland Security investigators are working hand in glove with the FBI to find this depraved individual.
We will find him, but I won't get ahead of any announcements out of the FBI on this one, Jack.
No, absolutely.
When it comes to these raids, you know, I have to look at these images and having focused on Antifa and left-wing agitprop groups in the past, when I see that many people showing up in order to try to obstruct one of these raids, it seems to me as though some information, those people don't just materialize in the middle of nowhere, all the way out on some farm all by themselves.
That takes planning, that takes coordination, that takes organization.
So it seems to me as though, is there a worry that somehow information about these raids Is leaking before they take place?
Yeah, that's something that we're highly focused on.
And we have seen in the past that leaked information gets out there, it gets to activist media, or it gets to these kinds of activists themselves.
We saw, you know, in Prairie Land in Texas, that there was a group of 12 individuals who were wearing tactical gear, carrying rifles, and then went on to attack law enforcement.
What we're seeing are these highly coordinated attacks across the country.
And Jack, I do think that there is a, you brought up Antifa and these very sophisticated organization coordination of attacks.
But I think the, you know, the mainstream problem of this, which is so disturbing, is that we have Democrat politicians who are trying to normalize violence against our law enforcement.
They totally ignore the fact that our law enforcement's being doxxed, that their family members are being targeted, that it's being put online where their spouses work, where their children go to school.
And this is in the face of them going after and trying to arrest highly sophisticated gang members like MS-13 or Trende Aragua, terrorist organizations.
And these Democrat politicians are just handing on a silver platter intelligence to these vicious, violent gangs.
And so when we see all of this, unfortunately, it's something where I've warned for quite some time that the violent rhetoric is getting worse.
Shouldn't this be something, though, that the Democrats, you know, certainly they may not agree with the policies, certainly they may not agree with the politics, but you'd think on the question of violence, that would be something that they could all stand against, right?
No, absolutely.
Jack, I'm very concerned that someone's going to get killed.
It just doesn't stop.
We were, I remember at the start of this administration, probably two months in, we were seeing a 400% increase against our law enforcement.
And now we're at 830% increase.
When does this stop?
When do the likes of Gavin Newsome and Karen Bass and Tim Walls and AOC start to condemn this?
Is it going to take a death to do that?
And that's what's so disturbing is there are just a hellbent on the demonization and attacks.
And, you know, we didn't hear anything from Gavin Newsom after he lied about our enforcement operation, what he called a strawberry farm, which it wasn't.
It was two marijuana facilities.
And when the information came out about these 361 illegal aliens, that among them that were arrested were convicted rapists, convicted child molesters, drug traffickers, horrendous people who were working among children.
How is that not, that goes way beyond partisan politics and it's just about basic humanity.
When it comes down to it, this really is about the victims in many of these cases.
And I know it's something, obviously, Tom Holman has spoken about quite a bit when you do have these child migrants who have been, you know, either labor trafficked or worse, it's something that he's talked about a number of times because in many of these cases, when they come, they're so young, they have no idea what's going on.
And then they get wrapped up in organizations like this.
And I do think that it's something where the media and the Democrats have been trying to paint it as, you know, ICE is some kind of, they use this very heated rhetoric describing ICE agents.
But what they're actually doing is not only liberating the child victims, but also anyone who lives in one of these areas that's unfortunately being affected by MS-13 or one of these other groups.
Oh, exactly.
These are not criminals.
You would not want these criminals to be your neighbors.
And Jack, I think you hit the nail on the head.
I think one of the greatest untold stories of the Biden administration and the humanitarian crisis that they manufactured at our southern border are those 300,000 plus children who were lost in the system.
So many of them exploited, so many of them sex trafficked, so many of them labor trafficked.
And the administration now, their efforts to reunite those and put them in safe hands.
And so far, about 10,000 children have been located.
But, you know, the incompetence and the lack of organization really imperils these children.
And it's been an uphill battle to try and reunite them.
But Secretary Noam and President Trump, they are very laser focused on this.
Now, one question that I get a lot in from my listeners, you know, we talked about the big, beautiful bill.
We talked about the big increase in the ICE budget.
Just in the last couple of minutes that we have you, can you tell us a little bit about how that new, you know, much bigger budget is going to be put to use?
Yes, this has been incredible for the Department of Homeland Security and our ability to really turbocharge arrest numbers.
Detention bed space has been a linchpin operationally to allow us to arrest and detain and eventually deport more illegal aliens.
And the fact of the matter is that this money from the Big Beautiful bill is going to double our detention bed space so we can risk numbers up.
As well, I mentioned before, you know, the perils that our law enforcement facing, this is going to give them potential bonuses for our Border Patrol and ICE agents.
As well, we're going to be increasing our ICE enforcement officer workforce by about 50%.
So much more guys and gals on the ground to help with those arrests.
And then, I mean, think about things like the border wall.
It's going to help us get hundreds, if not thousands more mileage of border wall, as well as technology, surveillance, vehicles that we need to make sure we're keeping these numbers at this other border at a historic level.
And having that full operational control.
Trisha McLaughlin, where can people go to follow you and get all updates from DHS?
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Follow me at Tricia, excuse me, at TriciaOhio on X and at DHSGov.
Give us a follow.
We debunk the fake news media all the time, and Richard is bringing facts to the American people.
Jack, thank you for watching.
You are a true Patriot and friend.
It's becoming an absolute favorite of mine.
God bless you to your great patriot, as well as everyone else there at the Department of Defense Business.
Jack is a great guy.
He's written a fantastic book.
Everybody's talking about it.
Go get it.
And he's been my friend right since the beginning of this whole beautiful event.
And we're going to start coming out to make sure it's big by the game.
Amen.
All right.
Jack Potovic back here.
Human events daily.
Well, everybody keeps asking me.
They're saying, Posto, look, you know, you got the show, you got human events, but we want to hear from Solomon.
Solomon's got something.
He's got info.
It's blowing up online.
So I said, all right, let's dig him up.
I know it's a little earlier than you're used to getting your John Solomon.
It'll be live in full at 6 p.m., but he's here joining us for a special preview of his exclusive interview with President Trump, which was conducted this morning.
So this is before the Oval Office gaggle, which he held there.
John Solomon of Justin News joins us now.
John, tell us what you got.
Yeah, listen, this is the first time we've laid it out since the interview occurred this morning, and everyone can see it at six o'clock.
But here's what he says.
The president only learned recently about the grand conspiracy case.
That's what I call it.
It's not the real name of it.
But the fact that Cash Patel had opened a conspiracy case treating the last decade of weaponization as an ongoing conspiracy from clearing Hillary, pursuing Trump and Russia Gate, trying to protect Hunter Biden, doing Ukraine impeachment, protecting Biden from the Chinese plot to help him win the 2020 election.
The FBI turns a blind eye to that.
Joe Biden finds classified documents.
Oh, we better get a camera case on Donald Trump to negate that.
Looking at that as one ongoing conspiracy, which has a lot of benefits.
You can go back and charge old crimes in an ongoing conspiracy.
You can also take this case and move it out of Washington, D.C. and bring it to Florida, because one of the overt acts of the conspiracy would have been raiding Donald Trump's house.
President didn't know about that because the FBI doesn't normally brief a president on things.
But when we broke that story, the president heard about it, learned about it, and he said, hey, I like the idea.
I think it's a good way of looking at what happened.
And maybe we finally get some accountability because we don't get any.
And then without any prompting, without me even asking yet, he says, I also think if that has a special prosecutor, that prosecutor should just look at anything credible about Jeffrey Epstein.
And let's get this resolved.
Let's get the American people the most transparency.
Now, what does that mean?
If there's a special prosecutor, this gets out of Pam Bonnie's hands.
It goes to an independent person.
They look at it.
They release what they can about it.
And they tell the American people whatever the grand jury can squeeze out of it.
Now, I've done tons of reporting on Epstein.
The Wall Street Journal and I've probably been the most prolific at doing this going back to 1817.
Miami Herald did some great work too.
I think people are going to be disappointed what's in the government files, not because there probably wasn't good stuff to be had, but because the government did a crappy job investigating this.
The Bush Justice Department in 2007 and 08 could have gotten Jeffrey Epstein and made one of the largest scandals in American history.
They gave him a pass and they did it in the most cowardly ways, let the state do it.
They took a pass.
And I just, they didn't take the time to go get the sort of things that would have been explosive evidence, like a ledger or an accounting of what happened.
And so Trump finally starts pursuing in 19.
The FBI says Epstein kills himself in the jail.
I think even when a special prosecutor gets into it, the government did such a poor job on this.
We're all going to be a little disappointed.
That said, the fact that the president is willing to let a special prosecutor look at this tells you that he wants the base, he wants all of America to have confidence in the final findings.
And I think that this is a big moment, a big announcement for President Trump, organic.
So it happened.
I follow up.
So you sure you're saying you're okay with the special prosecutor to look at Epstein?
Yep, that's what I'm saying.
Let's go do it.
Let's also look at everything else because, hey, Democrats, you want a special prosecutor on Epstein?
You got it.
But we're also going to look at Hillary and we're going to look at James Comey and John Brennan and Jack Smith.
And so I think the president has laid out something that I assume Pam Bondi will quickly follow up on.
It's a big moment.
So, John, I want to just get this straight for everyone.
So President Trump, he's talking about this special prosecutor, which, of course, he references earlier in the Oval Office, as well as yesterday.
He was on a couple of these tarmac gaggles where he says that's for the prosecutor to do.
Right.
And that's what he said was going on in War Room.
So that's in reference to a special prosecutor.
Now, it's possible that this special prosecutor could also be looking at all of these in conjunction with this broader conspiracy.
So would all of this fit into a scope memo for that prosecutor?
Of course, this goes back to what we remember from special counsel Mueller and the scope memo all the way back in 2017, 2018 regarding his special investigation.
Yeah, let me reverse engineer it.
There's not an open case on Epstein right now.
So the open predicated case at the FBI is the grand conspiracy, Hillary Clinton to Jack Smith.
Okay.
As part of that, what the president is saying, expand the scope and let Epstein be part of this too.
And let's give the American people confidence, independence.
Let's get a good person there and let's do that.
So the predicated case is already open.
That's something that was news that broke on Monday.
You snap in Jeffrey Epstein and you let an independent person, you get this out of Pam Bondi's hand where there were several false starts and mistakes made, and you let everybody go.
And I think there are two places we haven't been looking at.
The FBI's documents are all in Pam Bondi's hands.
She should release them all.
There are two places that haven't been tapped.
One is the sealed grand jury proceedings in New York.
That is not something Pam Bondi on her own can release, but she should make the request to the judge and say, judge, we believe it's in the public interest.
Please unseal all the evidence.
The judge has already unsealed some things like the address book a couple of years ago, which was part of my reporting two years ago.
But that's one area that we don't focus on.
That's an important piece of evidence that's still sitting under lock and key.
Pam could start the process.
The judge has to sign off on it.
The second area is the CIA.
Now, I've done a lot of reporting.
Jeff Epstein wasn't a NOC.
He wasn't a controlled asset or agent of the CIA, but he did have a handful of interactions with the CIA.
And I think John Radcliffe should just release that file.
Epstein's dead.
What harm is in letting the American people see how the CIA interacted with Epstein on a couple occasions?
It's a small file based on my reporting, but those are two places we aren't talking about.
Those are two gold mines.
I think the American people would be happy to get them.
John, once again, where can people go to see this interview in full?
Right after Steve Mannon, six o'clock, Justin News, no noise, right here in Real America's Voice and Justin News.
We're going to put out that story in a couple minutes that I just told you about.
Congrats, John.
Incredible, exclusive.
And I can't wait to watch it myself.
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