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Christ is king!
For our freedom and yours!
This is our sacred mission.
This is our sacred duty.
And so, standing here in Poland, I feel the weight of my ancestors on this soil.
My family has carried the stories of this land from Leszczyk and Zhezhov all the way back to America, and now we return here.
There is no people in this world that is more close to my heart than the Polish people.
and I will always be fiercely proud of my Polish heritage.
Together, the Polish people, the American people, and all people who love freedom will face every challenge, and we will defeat every challenge.
We will ensure that our children inherit a world where faith, family, and freedom reign supreme.
And so I say to you, long live our unbreakable friendship.
Long live the bonds of our people.
Next year, Polska!
Poland, which has just held its pivotal presidential election, He's a traditional conservative Roman Catholic.
He believes in strong, sovereign Poland within the EU.
He's also a big fan of President Trump.
Karol Nawrocki, the President of the Polish Republic!
Karol Nawrocki, great brawa!
Karol!
Thank you.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard.
Today's edition of Human Events Daily.
Today is June 2nd, 2025, Anno Domini.
Folks, today, today is different.
I'm still reeling, folks, because something incredible just happened, and all the polls said it couldn't be done.
The media counted it out, said it was a goner, a lost cause.
Well, folks, I'm here to tell you that the nationalist candidate, Karol Noworowski, a first-time contender, has done it.
He has just been elected the president of Poland.
Poland is the land of my fathers.
The heart of unyielding spirit, and it has spoken.
And I gotta tell you, this one hits close to home, folks.
Real close.
Last week, I was there in Poland.
Right in the most conservative spot of Poland along the Ukraine border, a city called Zhezhov, only a few miles away from the small town where the Posobiec family hails from and still lives in Poland.
I wasn't just visiting.
I was campaigning.
I was walking up and down streets, met people, folks whose roots run even deeper than mine there.
And I gotta tell you, the air was electric.
Hope, defiance.
Pride.
These people weren't just fighting for a candidate.
They're fighting for their identity, their Christian faith, their Polish way of life.
And of all the places I go, I'm not an outsider there.
As a son of Poland, standing on the same soil that holds the blood of my ancestors.
And when you see the people there, you see their eyes, the shopkeepers, the grandmothers.
The farmers.
They're done with the globalist promises, with the bureaucrats in Brussels trying to erase their borders and their values.
They want Poland to stay Polish.
And this wasn't just a vote.
It was a roar.
A roar that echoed from Warsaw to the smallest villages saying, we are still here.
We will not bend.
This is the land of John Paul II.
This is the land of King Sobieski.
This is the land of the miracle on the Vistula.
This is the land that broke communism.
And this is the land where Polish patriots will always reign supreme.
Be right back.
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Today, I want to welcome in Real America's Voice as well as live on the Salem Radio Network, Hour 3, with Charlie Kirk.
We want to also go now live to Warsaw, Poland, where another Posobiec is standing in the same land of his ancestors, or I should say sitting.
It's Kevin Posobiec, our foreign correspondent.
Kevin, how goes it?
Dzień dobry, Jack.
Great to be here on Human Events again.
I'm live in Warsaw, not far from the Vistula River, where the miracle occurred.
And it seems another one has happened just today as well.
Listen, it's go time for the accordions and the polka music.
You better get out your tap dancing shoes, because we're hitting the town tonight.
It's an incredible victory.
We're breaking out the kielbasa, the pierogies, the guamki.
Kev, you remember when Nana used to make guamki at home and the entire house would just smell like tomatoes like literally the whole weekend?
Well, this is what we do.
You know, we got to carry the heritage on.
And, you know, we have our own recipe now.
Yeah, yeah.
I definitely remember that.
And the green beans growing on the fence.
And the green beans.
A little kapusta.
I do, I do.
It's, it's, it's, like, it's, it's, and it's, and then, and then Polka Saturday, and Dad with Polka Saturday mornings.
Oh, man.
You, you, Kev, remember, it's like, didn't matter if we had baseball, didn't matter if we had football, didn't matter what it was.
If it was Saturday, it was Polka Saturdays in the Poso household.
Yeah, man.
So I'm in Republica TV's studio right now.
It's an incredible, incredible sight.
And to see just the communication that we've had, I was watching them down earlier today, and they have a correspondent in D.C. today, believe it or not, reporting on Navrowski's win.
So it's funny to see now I'm here in Warsaw for the United States, and you're in D.C. yourself.
Well, no, it's great, and I love the – Mihael Rahon, of course, the work that we did to do the watch party back, if folks remember, on Inauguration Day, Jan 20th, that was TV Republica stepping up and did that, along with our great friend Dominic Charchinsky, the MEP from Law and Justice.
Kevin, you were there last night at the election watch party with now President-elect.
Tell us a little bit.
Give us a little bit about the color.
How did it sound that night?
The election results kept coming in and these these late breaking polls, you know Really made it seem as though this guy who everybody had counted out suddenly had the wind behind his sails and the hope of a nation really pushing him into and eventually giving him the presidency's
It has this very eternal flame, not unlike JFK and his legacy.
But yeah, I say that because I was at the election party and, you know, the video's playing there when I got to meet him on his way.
So it seemed because nobody participated, not nobody, but Polish citizens were a bit reluctant to participate in the exit polls.
So we didn't really have anything to go off of.
And granted, they are paper ballots, much less population than the United States.
But yeah, honestly, the color, the energy was kind of blue, I would say.
But inside is the eternal flame.
And the Polish people never give up their hope and faith in their country.
And it just continues on, continues on into the night, into the day.
And around 3 a.m., I was hanging out with the campaign workers at a private residence, and they were like, listen, we got this.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
hold on folks, Kev's like, around 3am I'm hanging out with some campaign folks at a All right, Kev.
All right, Kev.
No, no, no.
I'm not going to blow you up here on international TV.
Folks, I think Kevin Posobiec might have a little bit of an ulterior motive to being over in Poland.
I'm just saying.
Yeah, Warsaw's a bit more of a liberal city, so they heard us clanking around and moving the chairs, so they were like, we've got to get these patriots out of here.
This is ridiculous for a Sunday night.
But, yeah.
I mean, this is a huge deal.
Oh, sorry.
Yeah, I got to interview a bunch of the MPs at this election party.
You can see that on my Twitter feed.
And one in particular, her name was Maya.
She's advocating very much for the women's vote.
And, you know, just younger women, you know, it's awesome to see how much Poland has embraced the American pattern.
Well, Kevin, in some ways, and I understand, of course, that the election polls, the exit polls will still be coming out.
I'd love to dig through some more of the data in terms of demography there.
But are you seeing a rightward shift among the youth like we're seeing in the United States with Gen Z?
Where we're starting to actually see some voters on the youth side turn out more for the right-wing candidate and actually make a break with the left.
Are you seeing that as well?
You said you were just doing some interviews.
I do, I do.
And so you can see on the map, it's still the cities, you know, towards Berlin, they fell more towards Tchaikovsky.
But then, you know.
But also, I mean, where we're from, there you go, that's the one with Leszczyk.
That's rural, blue-collar Poland, southeast.
That's very much for Nowrowski.
And like I said, Warsaw's pretty liberal.
I did go out on Saturday night, and it was just a lot of, not a lot of madness, but a lot of people partying.
They were not in the spirit to really answer, but that's also because Poland has the election silence, and that was on my previous broadcast about many people were not even able to rally or have campaigns two days before the second round on Sunday.
Yeah, the way they do that is so weird, where they call it the election silence, where it's basically this way to believe that You know, that you've got to not be able to talk about the election.
Kev, we have a quick break coming up.
But people, I want to get into, you know, Kev and I are joking around a little bit about just being Polish.
But, I mean, the amount of corporate money that was put into this election, the right had no money whatsoever.
It was all self-funded.
The other side, they've got the corporations.
They've got German money coming in, international money, the money of Brussels, the money of Soros.
Literally, Soros Jr. flies in.
They brought Obama in.
They brought Ann Applebaum in.
They brought Francis Fukuyama himself in.
Kuma Abedin.
And guess what?
You all lost!
Every single one of the globalists went down in flames as Polish patriots held the line yesterday in Warsaw.
Polish patriots absolutely held the line and will continue to do so, globalists.
You want to try it?
The Poso Bros will be there every step of the way.
Quick break, right back.
Hey, you know, they talk about influences.
These are influences.
And they're friends of mine.
Jack.
Where's Jack?
He's got a great job.
He's made it clear that he will be a problem for the Prime Minister, Donald Tusk.
Tusk is a pro-European centrist trying to follow through on his more progressive legislative agenda.
But now Novrotsky says he will stop him in whichever way he can and cause as much gridlock until the next elections in 2027 so that his party, the Law and Justice Party, can sweep back into power.
Donald Tusk will struggle to fulfill his promises like liberalize.
The very strict abortion laws in Poland.
And Poland, of course, is a key country for both NATO and the EU.
And so for its allies, this is not good news.
Nowrowski has criticized what he said was excessive interference in Polish affairs by the European Union.
All right, Jack Posobiec, we're back live.
Real America's Voice, Human Events Daily, the Salem Radio Network.
You just heard MSNBC right there.
And we're also on live with Kevin Posobiec from Warsaw, Poland, live right now.
Kev, did you hear MSNBC right there?
They're freaking out because they just found out that one of the things that's on the agenda right now, the Polish liberals have been trying to legalize abortion.
So abortion, by the way, currently illegal in Poland.
They've been, and it's always been illegal, by the way, since there's been Poland.
They're trying to get it passed up to 12 weeks, and they just found out, oh, the new president, Nowrowski, he's going to wait for it.
Veto the legislation.
Abortion will remain illegal in Poland.
Abortion will not be legal in Poland.
Polish children will not be allowed to be aborted.
And this cause will continue to be celebrated.
Kevin, talk about how important that means in a place like Poland.
Listen, I got one message for MSNBC, Jack.
It's Bug, Honor, Chisna.
They can't mess with that in Poland.
God, honor, fatherland.
Yeah, that's almost the same as the heartbeat bill, I want to say, 12 weeks.
I think it's even earlier than that.
But really, I mean, they're not for sale.
These kids, you know, Poland doesn't want any of their young men, first off, to go to Ukraine to battle in the war.
And they don't want their kids to be killed.
You don't want them chopped up.
It's a slippery slope.
I mean, what you see in America, what happens to these fetuses or children, but their bodies, you know, as they say.
But, man, we don't...
people make fun of Polish people as being like dumb and simple, but really some of these solutions and thankfully through our faith, the Catholic faith, it can be that simple.
It's in, in, We're a pro-life, pro-God, pro-family, pro-2A in America.
It can be that simple and we can keep it that way.
But Poland understands that clearly.
And it's great to see Nowrowski leading the way right up front.
He's going to follow through on what he said.
And it won't be hard to do either because we have...
The Patriots are going to wake up.
I can't wait to see what his victory rally is going to look like.
Hopefully we see more of that.
Maybe he'll come back to America soon.
Do you have a time frame on that?
Do you know when the rally will be held?
Is that scheduled yet?
They're still waiting to figure things out.
They're still waiting to figure things out.
Like I said earlier, they're still kind of...
No one's on.
But it should be this week sometime.
Maybe they're just waiting for the sky to clear.
Yeah.
All right, Kevin.
We'll certainly hope to be able to get you on from there.
Folks, where can people go, Kevin, to follow you, follow all your updates?
You've been doing street interviews, scooter interviews, interviews with MPs.
You met the next president of Poland.
Where can they go to get access to all of your live on-the-ground reporting?
Well, not only here, Human Events Daily, but also on Real America's Voice.
But my handle is Kevin Posobiec or Kev Posobiec on Twitter and also on Instagram.
Those are my main channels.
But yeah, I might actually be adding to YouTube as well soon, the more long form of these interviews that I collected.
Uh-oh.
Uh-oh.
He's going to multimedia, folks.
He's going off on us.
Kevin Posobiec, the hottest thing since sliced kielbasa out there.
Kev, I've got to ask, though.
I've got to ask, what are you having for dinner tonight, man?
What are you having for dinner?
Oh, you know.
I might have some more kielbasa, some sauerkraut, some guapkis, maybe Zurich.
Yeah, probably guapkis, though.
Absolutely, absolutely.
So people understand, like, you need copious amounts of guamki to maintain Poso Brothers levels of Polish power.
Copious amounts of guamki, pierogi, kabaski, all of it.
Constant, constant guamki.
Don't mess with pierogi gang, folks.
I'm just telling you right now, do not mess with pierogi gang.
All right, with Jack Posobiec, we'll be right back.
Walk through some of the geopolitical implications of all of this.
Stay tuned.
Stay tuned.
And Jack, where is Jack?
Where is Jack?
Where is he?
Jack, I want to see you.
Great job, Jack.
Thank you.
What a job you do.
You know, we have an incredible thing.
We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys, and these are the guys who should be getting Pulisic.
All right, Jack Posobiec, we are back live here.
Human Events Daily.
Real America's Voice, Salem Radio Network.
You got Kevin Posobiec on in the last segment.
Kevin's going to be dancing a polka tonight in Warsaw.
By the way, folks, I did want to amend something I just said, talking about abortion laws in Poland.
So listen to this.
And there was a period, actually, so belay my last, where abortion was legal and, in fact, permitted one of the most permissive in all of Europe at the time.
That is during the Soviet So roughly 1945 to 1989, a 44-year period where abortion laws were liberalized under the Soviet regime.
And in 1956, there was a law passed by that communist-backed regime in Poland.
So the Soviet Union, the communists, wanted this to be allowed for the Poles.
However, after the fall of communism, When Pope John Paul II came to Poland, worked for the fall of communism, abortion was made illegal yet again, with the exception of the three exceptions, the mother's life, fetal abnormalities, or pregnancy resulting from either crime or incest.
And so it is still restricted, and they are now waiting for this to, and now it will continue.
And so, folks, the geopolitical implications of this are very, very serious because we've got Ukraine right next to Poland.
That town, Zhezhov, where I spoke, is the key NATO checkpoint for all of the NATO supplies, for the vast majority of the NATO supplies that are going into Ukraine.
And so this is why those supply lines are critical, and that's why Poland is a critical node for Now, in fact, by the way, And just so folks know, Nowrowski, when he won the first round of the Polish election, he then had to campaign for more right-wing votes.
And when he did so, he said, number one, he signed a pledge saying, "I will not permit Ukraine to enter NATO or to enter the EU and push for what peace With Russia on the talks of the Ukraine war.
Now, we've got these competing peace agreements and demands out of Istanbul earlier today from both Ukrainian side and the Russian side.
Ukraine is asking for maximalist demands.
They want to be allowed to stay in or at least keep the right open to stay in contention for a NATO membership.
Russia, of course, flipping around and saying, absolutely not, no NATO.
They're all asking for full recognition for Crimea, for Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporizhia, and Kherson.
So I wanted to break down all of these pieces that are walking through.
And so we have Jack Montgomery from the National Polls.
He joins us now by phone.
Jack, how are you?
I'm well, campus Soviets.
How are you?
I'm well.
I'm well.
So we're looking at this incredible victory, stunning victory.
And I want to ask you specifically the question of Ukraine.
What role do you believe this played in the election in Poland yesterday?
Well, you know, it's very difficult, the Ukraine issue, because I think when the war first started out, there was a great deal of sympathy for the Ukrainians.
Of course, there is a big institutional memory here in Poland.
Of the occupation, of the war, the Soviet soldiers.
And after the annexation of Crimea in 2014, a great deal of Ukrainians came here.
So a lot of people knew Ukrainians.
They sympathized with the Ukrainians.
There are stories you hear about the troubles they're in back home.
But as time has gone on, there has been a degree of losing patience with Ukraine.
There have been difficulties between the Ukrainian...
And people do not want really to be dragged into a wider war.
People know that NATO membership for Ukraine is effectively war with Russia.
European Union membership for Ukraine may not be too far behind because there are mutual, they're weak, but there are Now, that's not something Europe is equipped to handle, and it's not something most Europeans want.
There's been a long time here where the economy has been struggling.
There's been inflation connected to the war, the pandemic, the pandemic before that.
And, of course, the cost of just looking after so many refugees, you know, another good million across the border.
And so I think that that really was something that was playing on people's minds as they went to the polls.
Well, and this move to the right as well, I think, is significant because he had to pick up the support of the right-wing parties.
For the American side of the audience here on Real America's Voice and the Salem Radio Network, that Poland, like most European countries, is a multi-party democracy.
And so in the parliament, you need a coalition in order to maintain a majority.
And so this coalition that actually won here, in a sense, That won the election came through with the support of those other right-wing parties.
Confederatia had said positive, maybe not a full endorsement, but had said positive things about Nowrowski.
Another presidential candidate, Grigoris Braun, had come out and did a full endorsement.
And it really was these pledges and moving to the right on a few issues that I think allowed Nowrowski to pick up a lot of that support.
And in fact, Gen Z, in many ways, Jack, is picking up a lot of support for the right wing as well.
It's similar to trends that we're seeing in the United States as well as Canada and the UK.
Are you seeing that as well in some of the data that you've, and I know it's still early, But I'd really love to see if we have any data on right wing shift for Gen Z. Now, I don't have the data to hand, but from what I've been seeing, and this is a phenomenon we saw in the European elections recently as well in Poland.
Confederation, which is a populist party for the most part to the right of law and justice, which is the party aligned with Novrotsky, they are now the most popular party among 18 to 39-year-olds, certainly among 18 to 39-year-old young men.
Now, at the same time, there is a move towards the left among the youth, parties to the left of Chavskowski and Prime Minister Tusk's parties and wider coalition.
There's a strong rightward shift among the youth in Poland, and they broke also, once Confederacja was out of this race, for Nowrowski.
So this is something very interesting to me as someone from Britain, because for a long time in Britain, you were looking into the abyss.
Even if the notional right wing in Britain was winning elections, it was usually...
Now, that has started to shift a bit with Nigel Farage and the Reform Party, but it's a very different situation for the most part in continental Europe.
Populist parties and the Vrotsky, the National Conservatives, are popular in Poland.
The Alternative for Germany party in Germany, the AFD.
Did very well among younger voters.
And I think it's really, in some ways, it's a sign of the failure of the old kind of boomer political establishment, people who are not necessarily only on the left, but the establishment right-wing parties.
Now, law and justice would fall into the category of establishment right in Poland, but the establishment right in Poland is much more conservative than the establishment right, certainly in Britain and France.
And even to a great extent, certainly socially in America.
So this is a real shift, a real signal that Andrew Breitbart was correct when he said politics is downstream from culture, because I think this has been driven by a shift in the culture.
I think that's right.
And I think as well, it has to be said that in the same way that the generations, and we see this in Poland as well, Where there's a shift in the way the generations receive their news in the way that they vote as well.
So you'll typically see a lot of the older set that watches a lot of TV news, that watches a lot of cable, that watches a lot of corporate television, and reads corporate newspapers, they tend to be more liberal.
Or in the Polish context, you would call it globalist.
As with the younger set, you're on social media more.
You're listening to podcasts more.
I'm told there's quite a few Human Events Daily listeners in Poland, so shout out to those guys if you happen to be listening to this.
But the younger you are, the more, I think, diversified your viewpoints are that you're receiving through social media to get your news, and it ends up making people tend to be more right-wing.
And we're seeing that across the West right now, aren't we?
I think that's exactly right.
That's exactly right.
A real phenomenon, a real problem we've had on the right, broadly speaking, across the West, for decades really, but certainly for recent years, is people have not been satisfied with what the right-wing establishment has been offering them, whether that's the GOP or the British Conservatives, the Tories, the almost completely now destroyed French Republicans.
Parties like this.
But they've always been able to keep people in line, particularly older people, by saying, well, really, I mean, but if you don't vote for us, then the other guys are going to get back in.
The left's going to get back in.
So it's us or nothing.
You know, a bit like if there's any Orwell fans in your audience, you might remember Squealer, the little propagandist pig on Animal Farm, who would always keep the animals in line, no matter how bad things got, And that's what the establishment right has been able to do for a very long time, a very long time, really across the Western world until now.
You know, until now, you have these news organizations like the National Pulse, like Human Events, you have these social media characters that are able to push out an alternative message, a different message, a different vision for conservatism, for the right.
and it's able to reach a great deal of people.
And so that has forced, of course, it's allowed people who are genuine national conservatives, populists, to rise, but it's also forced people who maybe would not like to go along with that rise, thinking perhaps people in the Senate, GOP and elsewhere, to take account of their views and to stop pamming them off and telling them, we're just coming up on our...
Where can people go to get more from you at The National Pulse?
You can go to thenationalpulse.com to subscribe to us, and you can see me on X at Jack D. Montgomery.
All right, from one Jack to another.
Appreciate you being on.
Go follow The National Pulse, folks.
Jack Posobiec, right back.
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For clarity, I am back in Washington, D.C. after a whirlwind trip through Europe, Poland, Hungary.
Brief stopover in Paris.
Wanted to take my kids.
I promised my kids, actually, that if I had the opportunity to do so, I would take them to see the open and restored Notre Dame Cathedral.
And as it turns out, we had a layover in Paris, so that is exactly what we did.
Unfortunately, though, this came as the same day as massive riots in Paris, as killing took place in the night.
As things got completely out of hand, as cheers for the European Championship League victory, which Paris won, turned into something far more sinister.
And I was out on the streets with Tanya and the little boys, and I just, I gotta say, I said, I have a bad feeling.
This is getting out of control.
There's too many illegals here.
There's too many migrants.
And we went inside.
We got back to our hotel.
They had barricaded.
The doors to the courtyard because they knew what was coming.
And we had to use the intercom system just to get inside.
We did before the brunt of anything really bad went off.
But hundreds were arrested.
And that was where we were on Saturday night with my children and my wife.
But fortunately, we were okay.
We stayed inside.
Notre Dame is beautiful, by the way.
But Paris isn't Paris anymore, as President Trump has told us.
And it needs to be fixed.
And that potentially played a role even in the Polish elections that we're talking about here, because that happened just the night before Poland went to the ballot box.
And you never know in these small, these very small margin races.
And of course, CPAC Poland coming is when it did an absolute victory for the But over in Istanbul, I mentioned this earlier, that there were some reports coming out regarding proposals from the Russians and the Ukrainians.
So Russia has come out and says, look, we want to end the war.
And they're talking about those four districts that they want.
So I mentioned it before, Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporizhia, Kherson, and of course Crimea.
They want all of that recognized by the diplomatic community.
They want complete military neutrality.
That means no NATO, no to any blocks.
Downsizing of the Ukrainian military, limits on personnel, limits on weaponry.
Outlaw all Nazi organizations.
Lift restrictions on the Ukrainian Orthodox Church.
Lift mutual sanctions.
And if, by the way, Ukraine is calling for an immediate ceasefire, here's Russia's demands for that.
Ukraine must begin with throwing its forces from all Russian territory, stop mobilization efforts and begin demobilization, stop all foreign military aid, that would include the United States, remove all third party military personnel from its territory, end martial law, schedule parliamentary and presidential elections.
And by the way, this attack, which took place over the weekend, Ukraine claims that they struck 41. Russian strategic bombers.
Russia claims it was a much smaller number, maybe in the single digits, and also that many of the bombers are still operational.
Of course, we'll have to remain to see for the battle damage assessment there, but the ability of the Ukrainians to conduct an attack like this is raising a lot of questions as to say, how could they have done this on their own?
How could they have done this without satellite imagery?
There's only one country that Ukraine is partnered with.
That has the satellite imagery that's able to do that, and that's the United States of America.
Now, is it possible that UK could have provided it?
Perhaps, but far more likely that US satellite imagery would allow for the real-time locating of the positions of these bombers, where they were, when they would be there, knowing at a time that they would be vulnerable for attack like this.
On the flip side, the Ukrainians now, in their ceasefire demands, They're asking for full guarantees of Ukraine's right to join the EU and NATO, the right to Ukraine to station foreign troops on its territory, all Russian gains after February 2014 will not be recognized, and that frozen Russian state assets will be used for the restoration of Ukraine, essentially given to Ukraine.
This is a situation where Folks, all of this is what President Trump needs to get into.
It's very clear.
This peace deal will not take place unless it's between President Trump and President Putin directly.
It needs to be U.S.-Russia negotiations.
These guys are never going to agree to terms when it's just given the two of them.