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This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare.
A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.
This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.
Christ is King!
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us here and good morning.
And, you know, frankly, good new America to everybody.
We've got...
I always love being the British guy at things because it's kind of confusing to a lot of people, especially, you know, there are all these events that we have to do, and I was in L.A. just two days ago speaking with Karen Zygman's group out there, if anybody knows it.
They're doing fantastic work out there, believe it or not, in L.A. And, of course, at the beginning of every event, there's the Pledge of Allegiance and there's the National Anthem, and I just sort of have to stand there and be like, yep, you're singing about killing us again, you know, that's...
But, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for attending this morning.
As Steve just said down on the war room, and I think we've probably got some war room posse in here today.
Quite a lot.
Quite a lot.
Jack, how much do you want this?
So Raheem always makes the...
The American Revolution joke, and he's always, oh, you know, you guys should have stayed.
You made the wrong move.
It was, oh, it was all wrong.
You should have listened to the kick, and he's got this whole thing about it.
And then I guess that he, something must have happened along the way, though, because he's been here since 2016, and he's played a major role in the second American Revolution.
And so I think we're winning him over, folks.
We're winning him over.
Listen, you guys did the original Brexit, right?
I just did the second one.
So I want to welcome to the panel, you know, just people that I absolutely love working with.
Of course, Jack Posobiec being one of them.
Joshua Lysak, who's been instrumental in Jack's career, quite frankly.
And probably one of my favorite people on planet Earth.
And then also Natalie Winters is here, ladies and gentlemen.
Thank you.
The feeling's very mutual.
That was a self introduction, by the way.
You know, this panel, as they asked us to put it together, they kind of gave me free reign for what it's about.
Bad idea, turning point.
Yeah, it's a terrible idea.
I said, you know, I'm going to be fresh straight out of what Steve just said.
I came straight from the last party that was happening last night and straight up onto this stage.
And, you know, I think what's really important right now, and I think we all need to cheer this and be grateful for it, and thank God, quite frankly, that the...
Corporate media is absolutely in free fall right now.
This is the, by the way, this is the corporate media that if you go and look up German Christmas market right now, they will tell you that a car supposedly drove itself into a German Christmas market yesterday.
Car drives into market.
Incredible.
It wasn't a Tesla.
It wasn't one of these Waymo's out here.
I haven't even tried the Waymo's yet out here in Phoenix.
Some people tried it.
Some people are trying to blow them up.
I like it.
I like the solitude of it.
You don't get a smelly person in the car with you or whatever.
Listen, the corporate media has earned its collapse, right?
It's been not a journalistic endeavor for quite some time for these people.
And whether you look at the Don Lemons of the world, or the Chris Cuomos, or the, oh, George Nafalafagus is paying $15 million for his lies.
Right?
And by the way, they deserve a lot worse than that.
They're getting off light, if you ask me, defaming the President of the United States on television.
Can we, can we, speaking of George real quick, can we...
See what I meant about the microphone?
I know, right?
So, George Stephanopoulos, I don't know if you guys realize this, the $15 million that ABC has to pay, did you know that that all has to go directly to the Donald Trump presidential library?
So, so, hold on, hold on.
So my thought is, he should open up a wing to all of the hoaxes about him, and we name it the George Stephanopoulos Library of Fake News.
I'm stealing that one.
I'm stealing that one.
That's a good one.
I stole yours yesterday, so it'll make us even.
It's just an exchange.
The corporate media deserves to be in collapse, but I want to tell you guys, I see this...
Trend amongst, and it's not a trend, I mean, it's the way of the world, of the TikTok influencers and the Instagram influencers, and young people all seem to want to be that.
But, you know, my message for you from this stage today is that, yes, that's good and you're reaching lots of people, but actually there are real journalistic skills that you need to be building in to doing that thing, to building that audience, and to getting the truth out there.
Information is a weapon.
And if we use it right, we can defeat our enemies.
We can defeat, quite frankly, the demons.
I mean, I've been on Capitol Hill for nine years now.
I have to fraternize these parties and these events all day long, every day.
And these people are absolutely demonic.
And what we need to be doing is weaponizing information.
And so I've got some of the best people about weaponizing information.
Up on stage with me.
And I want to start with Natalie because I think she's just obviously been a breakout star.
I mean, frankly, a breakout star on the right, a breakout star in media, a breakout star of anybody that I've ever worked with.
Do we love Natalie Winters, folks?
But the reason is, she actually does the hard work.
As much as we like to joke around and hang out and whatever.
Let me just interrupt.
She actually does the hard work.
Over to you, Natalie.
The two of you just last week were texting me, you don't work anymore.
You don't do any work.
How do you think we get you to work?
Look.
I would also just add real quick, too, on the whole media collapsing.
I think what really triggered them, made them really upset, was when Elon bought X and I think made the blue checkmark.
Sort of, he democratized it, and I use democracy in the good sense, not the way that MSNBC does it.
But that really got under their skin, right?
And you know, they get so upset when Elon says, you know, you're the media now.
And I think my question is, and always has been, you know, what makes these people better or more, you know, efficient or truthful in their reporting?
And frankly, anything to us.
And if anything, I think...
All they do is lie to us.
It's pretty apparent now.
So I think that compounded with the fact that a lot of the...
What we call in the war room sort of the censorship industrial complex, right?
The Global Engagement Center, News Guard, organizations that I'm sure have probably all censored you guys in the audience, that they've been exposed.
And that was something that you didn't really hear a lot about before.
But so when you see that they don't have what we call sort of the Praetorian Guard no longer to defend their narratives, I think that they've also collapsed considerably in that sense.
To Raheem's point, for those of you who don't know me, I'm the co-host of Steve...
Bannon's War Room, which we love the War Room.
I started, and it's so wonderful to see so many young people in the audience.
I'm also honored to be the token woman on this panel.
But I started working, believe it or not, for Raheem when I was 18. After I graduated high school, I was like, I really want to intern for Raheem Kassam.
I swear, my mom looked at me and was like, what?
What do you want to do?
Okay.
We all tried to talk her out of it.
Yeah, he tried.
And I met all these wonderful people, and they've been so empowering.
Worked my way up ultimately to become a contributor to War Room, but now I'm Steve's co-host and filled in for him when he was in prison.
And, you know, I think I see a lot of young women in this room and young men.
You know, there's different routes that you can take, and I'm not speaking from a position of privilege or acting, trying to sound patronizing, but I think a lot of people want to take the easy route and just do talking points and post reels on Instagram, but you're not going to get anywhere if you're doing that.
You have to do reels.
Real, actual reporting, real news, which I'm happy to get into.
It might be too granular for some people if you're not into it.
But that's how you're able to build a career.
Don't do opinion commentary.
No offense.
The one thing I internalized when I started, no one cares about my opinion.
I was 18 at the time.
I don't know what I'm talking about, so I really just stuck to primary source reporting, and that's what I would advise all young people to do.
And I want you to be aware of this.
I wasn't saying that nobody cares about your opinion just because you're an 18-year-old woman.
I actually have very...
I'm a news guy.
Get me the information, the hard data.
I don't want any of this anonymous sourcing BS, quite frankly.
And I think when you talk about you have to do more than just putting out talking points over Reels or TikToks, you actually...
People who regard themselves as influencers or who want to go that route, you already have most of the things in common with journalists.
It's curiosity and it's content creation.
Those are the two major skill sets that you need to go out and do actual news reporting.
One of the things I think you guys did, Josh, with your books especially...
Is going further, going beyond, asking the difficult questions.
You know, that's real news reporting.
Talk to us a little bit about you and your process.
Yes, thanks Rahim.
Hello everyone.
I'm obviously Joshua Lysak.
And my career began in ghostwriting.
And I've ghostwritten a number of books, 96 books I've ghostwritten in the last 14 years.
So I'm a bit of a machine, but I'll say half of those have been in the last few years as opposed to towards the beginning.
And of course I... By the way, if you can get unsigned copies, they're worth more.
Raheem, how many copies of your book are you selling here this weekend?
Zero.
Nothing.
Nada.
I chose the wrong seat in between you guys.
I ghostwriting co-author books with a lot of the characters in Trump World and MAGA World.
Do we have anybody who's a simultaneous sipper?
Coffee with Scott Adams?
Anyone?
Oh, we got a few?
I'm one.
Okay, so I work with Scott on his books.
Wait, wait, wait.
My mom's back there, Mom.
You better have to add your hand up.
She's every single day, simultaneously.
That's my mom right there, by the way.
So the sort of journalism that you might call what I do is sort of more like long-form sense-making.
Long-form sense-making, which is simply longer stuff that helps you make sense of the world.
Now, one of the reasons why Unhumans, which is a book about communist revolutions, has been so successful, selling many thousands of copies as it has, and being a New York Times bestseller, is not because it's history of the past, because it's a history of the present, and also the future, unless we do something to stop it.
So when we look back at history, we have to ask, what's in it for me?
So what?
So if you are...
Thinking about authoring a book, authoring long-form content, or even doing any kind of reporting, you have to have, in the forefront of your mind, what your audience's question is going to be, what your reader's question is going to be, which is, what's in it for me?
Why do I care?
Now, there are both independent and mainstream journalists who think, well, we will make them care.
We will use rage bait.
Rage and fear get people to click.
Click's advertisement.
Cash money.
Outrage is going to be fear.
But we don't need more of that.
What we need is, wow, I never realized that.
I never knew that.
I had no idea.
That's what's going on.
That's how it affects me personally.
You know, there's that meme of the annoying soy jack, I think he's called, where it's like, but how does this affect you personally?
That's the question that we need to be asking ourselves as we're sharing this.
Books on communism, nobody cares, because it does not affect you personally.
So we had to do a little sense-making and explain how the template of far left-wing revolutions and movements follow the same template over the last 250 years, and we can expect to happen what exactly is what has been happening since the 1950s.
Sort of a slow-walked cultural revolution.
In the United States.
And this is one example to help people realize what they can do personally.
So chapter 13 of the book is sort of the plan to fight back on this.
And we tell individual readers who are like soccer moms who are They just started a podcast, and there's 50 people.
Or you just listen to podcasts.
What can the individual do?
How does this affect me personally?
There's another series I like to do on X called Spot the Propaganda, where I'll look at headlines from the mainstream media, and I'll run through between 5 and 15, let's say...
It's hypnotizing techniques to bring you into a trance to accept the premise.
And one of those is the over-reliance on the passive voice.
A car was driven.
An individual was stabbed.
So it's sort of a passive voice.
And that, of course, is communism, where it's oppressor versus oppressed.
Where, well, if someone who is in an oppressed category did something that's wrong and evil and terrible, well, we have to switch it from the active.
This person did this to the passive.
We don't even have to put them in the story.
And then, if they do have active voice, what will they say?
Republicans pounce.
You know, there's a section in there, and the media does this as well, and the communist regime that we're under also uses this, where it essentially follows the narcissistic personality traits of anyone who's been in one of these emotionally abusive, toxic relationships called Darvo.
So, has anyone heard Darvo?
I actually see some people have heard this one.
Have you read the book?
Yeah, yeah, okay, so she's writing the book.
And it's, once you see it, you can't stop seeing it.
This D-A-R-V-O, deny, attack, reverse...
Victim and offender.
So you deny, you attack, and then you reverse the victim and offender.
And so for those of you out there who see one of these things, like for example, I don't know, let's just pluck one out of the media, Luigi Maggioni.
So Luigi Maggioni is a perfect example of this, where we've seen increasingly in the media, Vox and other outlets are saying, they'll say, well, we don't agree with what Luigi Maggioni did.
We understand why.
And here's why.
And so what they're doing is they're attempting to reverse victim and offender here.
And once you see it, you can't.
Unsee it anymore.
And so these are the types of tactics that if you are a content creator, once you see one of these things, it could be something at a local level, it could be something regional, it could be something bigger.
Suddenly, you can then become a...
There's an interesting phrase that I heard once that someone used to describe me and probably would apply to most of the folks up here.
It's not necessarily...
That what we're doing is journalism.
What they said is what you guys do is counter-journalism.
You're doing counter-journalism to the mainstream narrative.
You're doing counter-journalism to the lies that are out there in the world.
You're uncovering truth.
And so when Natalie Winters can find the links between Anthony Fauci and Peter Daszak and Shui Zhang Li, the bat lady in the Wuhan Institute of Virology, it turns out that Anthony Fauci may have been lying.
Okay, well, that is true.
I don't think Anthony Fauci likes me very much, or Peter Dorschach, but I'm very proud to have done that.
A lot of my background in reporting was exposing Chinese Communist Party infiltration, and I think a lot of people are like, oh my gosh, how did you do it?
And I think that you have to capitalize on the fact that the mainstream media reporters that we're up against, it's not just that they have an agenda and are trying to use it.
Neo-Marxist tactics smear our movement in a certain way, but they're also wholly compromised.
In particular, by the Chinese Communist Party, one of the first stories that I ever broke had to do, it was hidden in the Foreign Agent Registration Act filings, and it showed that reporters from basically every single outlet Washington Post, the New York Times, even Fox, Harvard Business Review, dozens of outlets, had been...
Basically taking free, if not subsidized trips to China, paid for by Chinese Communist Party influence groups, one notably called the China-United States Exchange Foundation.
And in exchange, they had to provide, quote, favorable coverage or, quote, disseminate positive messages about the Chinese Communist Party.
And Rahim and I later did.
More research into it because they had deleted the identities of basically all the journalists who took these trips.
But I said, no, no, no, I'm going to find these people.
And I did.
But you have to...
No, no.
But to the point, if you're standing up there and you're like, great, I'm on board, I want to do the journalism, but how do I do it?
So much of it is so simple in the sense that...
You've got to learn how to use archive.is, the Wayback Machine, and you pull up deleted web pages and you compare the stealth edits.
A lot of the documents that I have used for my reporting have been previously deleted.
It's learning how to kind of algorithmically search the internet for certain keywords.
So there's a lot of tips and ways to, I always say, kind of hack.
And the last point that I'd put to what you're saying in terms of the syntax and the diction, analytically the framing that they use to just kind of elicit a sort of...
Primal response, right, when you read something.
They love the passive voice, anything if it's not President Trump.
But that the timing of all these stories is very, very important.
What do I mean by that?
I'm sure you guys have all seen that, like, the bird flu, right, is the new big scare.
You can't go a day without hearing about it.
And there was, like, a three-hour period just a few days ago where the New York Times puts out a long-form profile piece saying the bird flu pandemic would be the largest catastrophe we could miss in human history.
And an hour later, Bloomberg is out saying, oh, lab leaks can actually happen.
Wild.
Imagine that.
And then...
MIT Technology Review comes out with a piece saying how a bird flu pandemic is going to happen in the near future.
So it's just sort of a coordination and narratives.
And I think the one thing we've always sort of hammered on the war room, and you're probably hearing me talk, you can tell.
Something a little off with my brain.
But it's all about pattern recognition and being able to see the threads pulled through different stories.
And I think to what you're saying, kind of understanding what their ultimate goal is.
And in the case of the bird flu stuff, it's normalizing you guys, desensitizing you to the idea that if a bird flu pandemic were to happen, oops, it just happened.
It's totally normal.
Yeah, look, I don't think any of us really came into this, I don't want to say industry, but came into our roles as a result of somebody just handing us...
You know, a pen and paper or a microphone or whatever or somebody subsidizing us.
We all kind of have really...
No George Soros cash for a fake girl in our careers.
Right.
None of us are Nepo babies, right?
We all kind of hard grafted our way into this.
And when I started doing this kind of work in a much smaller environment in Westminster, in England, I was very much told like, hey, this isn't for you.
Don't you dare.
You know, how could you possibly compete with the BBC and Sky News and all of that stuff?
And the more people...
The more it gave me the hunger to actually go out there and carve this new media thing out for myself and build a brand and make sure that people understood that, hey, you don't actually have to take what the BBC says or what CNN says as a given.
And so I wanted to ask Jack about that especially because, Jack, you have built probably one of the largest X accounts out there now doing political news.
I mean, you did a lot of...
Culture stuff early on as well.
I just talk a little bit for those in the room who are kind of keen to get into this, but they see like, oh, I couldn't do that.
How do I do it?
He has 2.5 million followers.
How would I ever do that?
How did you get there?
It's 2.9 actually.
400,000 are fake.
And so...
No, and thank you, Raheem.
No, I appreciate that.
And if I were being a good friend, I would say it'd be like watching people like Raheem who were there in the fight ahead of me.
But I'm not going to do that because he's already been buttered up too much.
You guys are being so nice to each other right now.
I know, right?
He's so weird.
And so it's basically the idea that I would say is...
There is news going on around you all the time, everywhere.
There are stories to be told.
There are examples of counter-journalism that you can do.
And every once in a while, something might pop into your lap or something might come up and suddenly you have an opportunity to do that.
And it's something either you're passionate about or it's something that maybe affected you personally.
or it could just be something that you've always had a keen interest in and you want to pursue that.
But you do need to have a certain kind of a beat.
You do need to have a certain focus area.
And it's important to actually have a background in some of these things.
So, you know, it, it, It's hard because these days on the internet, you're expected to be almost an expert of all things.
What's your hot take?
What's your hot take on this?
I'm not going to say it.
What's your hot take on this?
What's your hot take on that?
There used to be this meme on X that, oh, the virology experts are now cybersecurity experts and are now election integrity experts on day three.
It's all the same people within the same week, and it's ridiculous.
And Steve Bannon had a quote once, and Reem kind of paraphrased it earlier, but he had this great quote where he said, facts get shares, opinions get shrugs.
Find facts.
Find facts that no one else is talking about.
Find facts that could potentially entirely change things that are going on in the world around you, in the narrative around you.
One of the earliest things I remember that I... You know, quote-unquote went viral for was simply finding all the way back in early 2017 that James Comey had changed his testimony from one house appearance to another.
And in one house appearance, and I don't remember all that off the top of my head, but it was essentially this.
It was essentially that he had said that he'd never felt any pressure from on high during any investigation.
That he was conducting.
Okay.
And he said this in 2017. This was after President Trump had become president.
Then, a couple of weeks later, after he had been fired, he then said, President Trump told me to shut down the Mike Flynn investigation.
I don't know if you guys remember, this was a whole narrative.
And they said that Comey was actually fired to shut down Russgate, etc.
And I simply posted the transcripts of the articles saying, well, wait a minute.
A couple weeks ago, he just said he never felt any pressure.
But the point is that you've got to be doing the work.
You've got to be doing the reading.
You've got to be putting the time in.
You've got to be putting the hours in.
And people will say, oh, you know, Poso, how do you know this?
How do you know that?
You've always got, like, some comment.
When I'm not here or not spending time with the lovely Tanya Tay and the boys, I'm just constantly reading.
I'm constantly consuming information, and that's a huge part of it as well.
This is why, by the way, have you ever noticed one of these mainstream media types when they go on a podcast or sit on a panel like this and try to go long form, or they go on Joe Rogan or something, and they completely collapse?
They utterly collapse.
I've seen them, by the way, in the White House briefing room, and perhaps we'll be seeing them again.
I hope President Trump shuts that room down, to be honest.
I don't think we should be doing that at all.
It serves no purpose.
And what he should do, by the way, is go to that...
You know the fake Oval Office that they have in the EEOB next door?
They put Joe Biden in there to make him think he's president.
So take that room, by the way, take that room and then fill it with podcasters and citizen journalists and people like The War Room and people like Real America's Voice and fill it up with people who actually want to tell the truth.
But I've seen those journalists and quote-unquote mainstream corporate media journalists and they have these producers and then the producer goes in their ear and tells them what to say and then when they get off camera, they're scrolling Instagram, they're like hanging out with their friends.
They have no idea what they're talking about.
They're clueless.
And the biggest thing that we...
And so understand, if you're in this world and you're in this side of it, your job is to break them.
And we can't do that by just calling them names or accusing them and labeling them.
No, we break them with facts.
And something I could add, if I may, to that is...
We may be up here, but each of you have the capacity to be a sense maker in your industry, in your geography, in your community.
Most of the time, at least in this election cycle and going back further, the top stories that everyone is paying attention to that sucks all the energy away from everything else and focus on this is because some person had a cell phone and they were paying attention.
You remember the...
Biden is selling off the border wall as fast as he can, right?
That story is because some guy was paying attention.
And he thought, wait a second, what are they doing here?
Are they doing what I think I'm doing?
So he connected the dots.
That's a pattern recognition.
Wait a second, are they doing what I think they're doing?
Pulls out his phone, starts recording it.
He sends it to somebody, sends it to somebody, sends it to somebody, sends it to somebody, and then it gets posted, and then it gets...
Millions and millions of views, and everyone's talking about it.
Each one of you have the potential to do that in your community.
And maybe it's just you notice some corruption on city council.
Or is Vanessa Bataglia here?
Vanessa, can you raise your hand, Vanessa?
Yes, so Vanessa is a fantastic example of local journalism, noticing, wait a second, the Chinese Communist Party is having influence inside of my state.
I'm noticing things, and I'm writing about it, and they're getting published in large publications.
Each one of you can be the Vanessa Battaglia of your community, your state, your industry.
Just notice what is going on and write about it and talk about it.
And I don't know if anyone else on the panel will agree with me, but I often write pieces that are counter-narrative.
For the mainstream press.
For BBC, for Sky News, for Newsweek, for Forbes, Business Insider.
And it's often the very first time that counter-perspective has ever been published.
And most of the time, these people aren't, as Raheem said, they have no idea what they're talking about.
Jack said, they just have opinions, no facts.
So if you...
So Josh, you're just burying your own lead on here, aren't you?
So I'm going to have to do it for you, and I'm going to tell people.
He's not saying it.
Do you guys remember the story that came out in this election, which really became one of the pivot points of the entire election, when President Trump was retweeting and talking about the Haitian migrants and the cats and the dogs?
In Springfield, Ohio.
You remember that?
No, we don't remember that.
You don't remember that?
Well, maybe what you don't know is one of the first accounts to talk about it was someone who's from that part of Ohio named Joshua Lysak.
And said, it's 100% true and these people are lying to you.
Go ahead.
Yes, so I'm from Dayton, which is next door to Springfield, and it is regularly kind of known, colloquially, that Haitians in Haiti...
Have, from time to time, consumed domesticated animals because it's a very underdeveloped nation.
You've got to eat, and that's what one does, and that's sort of an environment, unfortunately.
And so you bring that from there to here, it just simply follows.
So I've been sharing the experience that I've had with Haitian clients and customers that I've met over the years.
And oftentimes, that sort of fact-based information, even though it's anecdotal, it helps.
Create a fact-based narrative versus the communist oppressor versus oppressed narrative.
Well, they're poor and they're not white, so therefore, anything they do is justified.
And I saw opinion makers do this.
They would say, well, obviously not eating cats and the dogs, you're racist.
Well, okay, maybe they are, but that's okay in their culture.
Don't be xenophobic.
And they just shift.
They have to shift because that's what the oppressor versus oppressed meta-narrative is.
And one of the things that we have to understand about the left-wing establishment instead of meta-narrative, it's the story that is within every story, it's the story that decides every story, is that it rejects good and evil as existing.
It rejects good and evil.
Everything is equal.
It's communist.
It's communal.
Equality.
There is no view or culture or opinion or belief or behavior that's better than any others unless we perceive you to have power.
And so that story, by the way, so a local story which became a national narrative, and here's Joshua who's able to tell us all that it was 100% true.
PolitiFact just came out in the same way, and as Natalie was explaining that these organizations do, PolitiFact just came out and labeled the Springfield, Ohio story about the cats and the dogs as the lie of the year.
They said that's the lie.
Did you know that 100% true that they did this?
They called it the lie of the year, even though people like Joshua and then Chris Rufo and others found exact documentary evidence of it.
So we will move on to Q&A. I imagine that some of you got some burning questions to ask in just a moment.
But I want to let Natalie wrap in just a second.
But I also want to remind the audience of how you and I met and how this all began.
Because you talked about beats and having a beat and getting into that process and developing that mindset where you're hyper-focused on things.
I was referencing something.
So Natalie once comes to me.
And she's pitching, like, I want to do this.
I want to be a reporter.
I want to be a journalist.
I was 18. She was 18 years old.
And I'm, what am I, on my phone or I'm texting or something.
I'm barely paying attention.
I just turned to her.
We were in an Uber, not a driver.
Yeah, we were in an Uber.
And she was the driver.
I'm a good reporter.
I'm not a good driver, okay?
Facts.
So I just turned to her and I was like, okay, so what's your beat?
And she said...
I really like Taylor Swift.
I didn't know what he meant.
I thought he was asking what music I like.
Well, that has not aged well in light of recent developments.
But my concluding sentiment as the, not just token woman, but not to neg you guys, but the token young person on this panel.
The corollary to the fact that they've weaponized every part of society of this country is that within every nook and cranny of this wonderful country, there is a story waiting to be reported out.
I was always told by people, oh, Natalie, you're so smart.
You should just go write for the college paper.
And I was like, yeah, I know.
That's cool.
But I would rather go work for Steve Bannon and Raheem Kassam and host their show and actually work.
Then I got kicked out of my sorority for being transphobic.
That's another panel that we'll have.
So my advice to young people is don't just limit yourself to the confines of your high school paper.
The media environment and ecosystem is so ever-evolving.
I know it used to be like the kid would go on Fox and then maybe they'd start a media career.
But now you have so many opportunities, so many shows that would love to have you on to talk about the woke stuff you're being taught.
Well, you guys have the credentials to write for, in my opinion, the publications that you're talking about, Joshua, right?
The more business insiders of the world, the Forbes of the world, where you can sort of give that counter-narrative, that counter-perspective that your sort of alternative set of apolitical credentials can give sort of more legitimacy to narratives.
That when we say it, right, it gets dismissed as the biggest lie of the year.
But when it comes from an actual professional type, you know, we're smocked and smeared as the top spreaders of misinformation, which I say thank you.
But I think that that's sort of two alternative ways that people who are maybe sitting there saying, how do I get involved, can get involved.
Yeah, the amazing thing, ladies and gentlemen, is it's actually remarkably easy, I think.
No, no, no, we have to tell them it's really hard.
No, but this is the thing.
I mean, getting into it is actually remarkably easy.
Because the media industry is in such flux, because these corporate news outlets are failing and collapsing, and because people are more curious than ever before and are seeking alternative voices, actually, you can force your way in and get to the, you know, I wouldn't say the tippy-tops immediately, but you can really, really make an impact remarkably.
Listen, the work itself, the day-to-day is...
Absolutely hard work.
But you've got to keep pushing.
You've got to keep trying.
Don't take no for an answer.
And the corporate press will always treat that industry like it's exclusive.
Whereas everyone here, everyone at Turning Point, everyone who I know on the political right, we are inclusive.
We are here to help you.
We are here to bring you in.
We are not here to keep you out.
We want more voices.
I always quote the line from Men in Black.
Remember that when he's training Will Smith in the first movie?
And then by the end of it, he says, I wasn't training.
I was training a partner.
I was training a replacement.
We are constantly having to train a new generation of people coming up, new talent.
Natalie will be old one day as well.
You'll have to do the same thing.
Don't go to journalism school.
Bring people up.
Can I interrupt you real quick?
Yes.
You guys are so lucky that you're on this side of the political aisle because I was an 18-year-old girl from California who showed up to D.C. I just wanted to work in politics.
And these two men, I'm sorry, but I didn't know you.
You were in Dayton with the Haitians.
But they were so kind and so empowering.
Not dating the Haitians, in Dayton with the Haitians.
I need some media coaching, okay?
But that you guys, I mean, seriously, have been so kind and nice and supportive, and I know that you guys would do the same for, I'm sure, anyone who's in this audience.
So just take a chance.
You never know.
Mostly because if there's more people involved, it's less work that I have to do.
Let's take some questions.
We've got ten minutes, so keep it brief.
No long statements, please.
No manifestos.
Let's start right here at the front.
Thank you.
Natalie, you mentioned a place to get deleted posts.
A lot of times I try to do research.
And I Google something.
You just get slop.
You get the algorithm.
Where can you go to get...
Data mine, get more real information.
Thank you.
Sure.
There's two sites that I like.
One is called archive.is, which is better for, in my opinion, actually archiving posts that are live that you think they're going to take down.
And then there's waybackmachine.org, which gives you sort of a time map.
It lets you know when they've revised websites, and you can sort of get a metadata extraction to see what exactly they've revised.
Some of you might be like, what the heck are you talking about?
But I like waybackmachine.
Personally.
Archive.is.
One of the things that I will add to that as well is that a lot of people will get stymied by using Google, using mainstream search engines, and they'll give up very quickly.
If you familiarize yourselves with how to use search engines in an advanced way, you can actually just Google that, by the way, and figure it out.
You can get a whole lot more out of a search engine than just typing in that bar.
And you learn they delete all their videos on YouTube, but they leave them up on Vimeo.
And they delete all their documents from their website, but they still keep them up on this site called Scribd or Scribd.
So you learn the hacks.
Let's go over here.
Yeah, my name's Trey.
I'm the Turning Point Chapter President at the University of South Carolina.
And I just wanted to ask you guys...
Thank you.
How do you guys basically handle all of the backlash that you receive on social media and online, especially like Jack in the last 45 minutes?
Well, I don't know about you guys, but it fuels me.
The hate, the anger, the threats, it totally fuels me.
Josh?
Yes, so remember this.
bad reviews from bad people are good reviews.
Haters are your most valuable marketers.
Woo!
Every time, so Jack and I, we've had maybe 30 hit pieces written about us and the book, Unhumans.
New York Times multiple times, major presses.
And every time they write one, insta-share that.
Grab the juiciest insults, highlight it, share it.
And I have a ghostwriting business.
This is what I do.
So I will send out to my client list, look what they said about me today.
Wait, for the record, folks, he was sending the press releases to the journalists to get the pieces written.
That's how much he loves backlash against him.
You turn it into a marketing strategy and a business plan.
That's actually true.
We write up press releases that sensationalize a story around the book or whatnot and send it off to socialist bloggers.
So Unhumans, the best-selling communism book in modern history...
Was denounced by the Communist Party USA. They wrote a 4,000-word book review as it's worse than every right-wing book ever written, which is just spectacular.
Natalie?
It just seems like the mainstream media is dying, but until they say it, it's not official.
And I'm just wondering if you guys have any ideas about how can we...
Like, create something where they have to come to your table.
You're the...
Like, we're there, like, ex-Twitter, but...
I don't know.
Any ideas about that?
Just clarify that point for a second.
It's like, I talk to people, they don't listen to all these podcasts and everything, and I'll say, well, this is what's going on.
And they just have no perception of reality.
And usually what they'll say is...
Until mainstream media says...
So, no, I know exactly what you're saying.
So, you know, you can use the Haitians as that.
You can use, obviously, yesterday, you know, who was driving the car with this horrific attack.
And the video is very rough.
I don't actually recommend people watching it if you don't want to.
But the greatest thing we can all do is band together and stop...
Listening to them.
And by the way, J.D. Vance has been fantastic on this.
J.D. Vance has been incredible on this.
And by the way, the Springfield situation happened in his state where he was the senator.
And he said, excuse me, mainstream media, I have people from there calling me, telling me that it's not true.
You really just have to get politicians to hold the line.
And honestly, when you find ones who don't, especially if they're Republicans, I really recommend...
I recommend bullying them.
I recommend harassing them.
I recommend demeaning them and just lowering their social capital.
We need to shame Republicans and bully Republicans into doing our bidding.
When we're on the truth.
When we're on the side of truth.
So I get the question.
And I have a little bit of tough love in response to it, right?
Because...
Alright, how many people in this room know of the National Pulse, the website that we run?
Okay, so about half the room, right?
How many of those people have the National Pulse app with push notifications installed on their phones?
Right, this is the problem.
No, no, this is the problem.
We all want to be part of the solution.
And for the people who are building the institutions, you know, we have a nice, clean site.
We serve the news in a very presentable and respectable way.
But the problem is, everybody still defaults back to like, oh, well, I'm going to share the New York Times article about this.
Or I'm going to share the CNN article about this.
Unless we invest in our own people.
And I mean this to everybody in the room.
The next time, next year when we're up here doing this panel again, I want every hand up when I ask, do you have the National Pulse app installed on your phone?
Because not only are we more truthful, we are faster than the mainstream media to all the stories.
And you get the real news up front and on your phone immediately as it happens.
So in order to combat that narrative where people are defaulting back, we have to support the institutions.
And it's not just the Pulse.
It's obviously the war room.
it's obviously the post-millennial human events all of those guys too you have to invest in the people that you say you believe in right that it's a two-way street and the books the books especially the books we're doing a book signing at some point today 2 p.m. and and 4 p.m.
We're doing book signings.
Where?
In the vendor hall.
One at the vendor hall and then one at the RAV booth.
And remember, the unsigned copies will go for more on eBay.
I think we have time for one more question.
Anybody?
Let's go.
Oh, we got it right at the back there.
Yeah, I have a question about when, like, especially when you're a local person, when, like, exposing people, like, where is the line that it may go too far or cause more controversy?
Like, example of, I know, like, there was the FEMA worker that...
With the text message, just skipping Trump houses.
But, I mean, I have gotten, you know, personal text messages from people from nonprofits that claim to be nonpartisan or bipartisan that clearly show that they have an agenda, but, like, otherwise do good work.
And sometimes by, you know, inviting them to talk or maybe gotcha them or exposing.
Things like that or recording them could backfire on your reputation?
And I don't know if those staff members even represent everyone in the company.
Like, is that always, like, where's the line where that's not the best way to deal with that?
That's a really good question.
So this is a journalistic kind of question.
You're thinking journalistically already.
Look at that.
In just 45 minutes, we've been able to go from a group of people who didn't even know each other to a room full of counterjournalists.
There's about 300 of us here.
This is incredible.
And we're going to go.
Now, that's a great question because you do have to be careful.
And this is something, obviously, James O'Keefe has to deal with because he's constantly exposing people.
So the main thing you have to do, number one, I think, verify.
You must verify the person that you're talking to is who they say they are.
This is something I had to deal with with source work in the intelligence community.
So one thing we look at is called P&A. So what is their placement?
What is their access?
Placement and access.
If all of these things are verified and you have that person on the record, then as Raheem Kassam just said, well, hold on a second.
That's not an anonymous source.
You've got a name.
You've got an individual.
And if they're using their platform, whether it be public or they're using public funds or something like this or taking fundraising donations and using it for nefarious purposes, like, oh, I don't know, the Black Lives Matter Global Initiative, then by all means, expose away.
Well, ladies and gentlemen, I think we're being given the hook here, but I want to thank you all for joining us this morning.
Thank you all for being here at this conference.
I want to thank our wonderful panelists, Josh Lysak, Natalie Winters, Jack Posobiec.
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