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HUMAN EVENT DAILY SPECIAL REPORT: THE NIGHT TRAIN TO KIEV

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	This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare.
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	This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.
	Christ is king!
	Alright, Jack Posobiec, this is day one.
	We've entered the territory of Ukraine, just went past the Polish border checkpoint at Brzezmysel, then came across the Ukrainian border.
	So here we are.
	We're on the night train to Kiev.
	And three years ago, I was on these very same train tracks.
	You might remember the podcast that I did that night with my brother at the start of this war, the night train to Odessa.
	Here we are, three years later.
	So many things have changed.
	President Trump is back in office.
	President Trump has signaled that this war is to come to an end.
	And he has now dispatched his envoys across the continent of Europe.
	So Pete Hegseth is on his way to the NATO conference in Brussels.
	J.D. Vance is going to be finishing things up in Munich.
	At the security conference, which is Davos for Defense, and that Scott Besant is on this very train right now, the Secretary of the Treasury, is going to be going across to Kiev to present Zelenskyy a sweetheart deal, a deal that he can't refuse, a five-part deal.
	The deal that President Trump has come up with for Ukraine is hugely predicated on not only securing the peace, keeping Ukraine out of NATO, which of course has always been Russia's red line.
	There's going to be obviously a...
	Land swap.
	So a question of Ukrainian territory, which is currently held by Russia, some Russian territory in the Kurds region that's currently held by Ukraine.
	They'll be swapped back.
	But then, of course, generally diplomatic recognition and full international recognition for the Russian annexed territories.
	Now, of course, the final border lines for that remain to be seen.
	We're also likely going to see a sort of Syrianization of The conflict whereby they're calling for a demilitarized zone to be adjacent to the border region of the Donbass and bringing in troops who aren't necessarily US troops, but NATO, British, other European and even non-European troops like the Indians, for example, bring them here, potentially even the Chinese.
	We will see.
	That's not something that...
	I've been privy to, but that's the general scope of the discussions right now for what we know in terms of the peace deal that, of course, this was already leaked by Keith Kellogg, from Keith Kellogg, and leaked a few days before his trip.
	He'll also be coming to Kiev.
	And so when we see, so you have the diplomatic piece, you have the military piece, which includes Ukraine not going into NATO. And this bit of the DMZ and the international force that's going to secure the DMZ. But then what Scott Besson is here to do is he is going to be presenting to Zelensky this new idea of economic, U.S. economic investment into Ukraine.
	President Trump's idea goes along the lines of the Sovereign Wealth Fund.
	So looking at, as you know, publicly reported already.
	The rare earth minerals as well as energy and including infrastructure.
	So the rebuilding of Ukraine, having U.S. investment into that and potentially even U.S. ownership or at least that ownership stake in it in terms of the sovereign wealth fund.
	The idea is that that's also going to provide a sort of security and a sort of stability whereby in, OK, Ukraine is not going to be part of NATO. But if the U.S. has those interests and ownership stake in that area, particularly even something that may be looking at the port of Odessa, that this could be a huge game changer for the Americans.
	So there would be an economic interest, vital economic interest, as well as potentially A reason for both Ukraine, the United States, and Russia to think twice about another military conflict in the area.
	Again, all this is subject to negotiation, but this is the current deal that President Trump is going to be offering through Secretary Scott Besson to Zelensky.
	In fact, a piece of that that I had the opportunity to ask about was regarding US LNG and US refining capacity.
	The equation is, as we know, Ukraine certainly has their nuclear facilities, the nuclear power plants, but will Ukraine be able to produce its own energy through the refining process?
	And obviously, that's something where U.S. firms could want to be looking into, again, as we say in the show all the time.
	Look for the energy, because what does this come down to?
	It all comes down to energy.
	That's where 100% of this comes in.
	So looking forward, you've also got the LNG. So Ukraine has their what?
	They have their pipeline infrastructure and their pipeline platforms.
	But of course, that's always been used for Russian oil to be able to pass through Ukraine into Europe.
	And I would certainly not be surprised if that were part of something that Russia wants to turn back on.
	We already know one big key to the puzzle as we're recording this is that Russia has already We've been given the green light by Denmark to start patching up pieces of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline that connected Russia and Germany.
	So Nord Stream 2 comes back on.
	That's potential billions and billions of revenue flowing through there every single day for the Russian Federation.
	Now, when the US comes back in from the deal side, President Trump, as we know, has been looking to He's pointed out again and again, the only reason that Russia was able to fund this war was because of the high oil prices that existed in the Biden regime.
	These were conditions that Biden and Jake Sullivan absolutely created.
	So they would never have been able to do that.
	The Iranians would never have been able to fund operations across the Middle East, and the Saudis never would have been able to.
	Buy up half of the PGA, as a matter of fact.
	Again, a lot of that's predicated on National Sovereign Wealth Fund, which is something that President Trump wants to put the U.S. in the driver's seat on for having our own sovereign wealth fund.
	Obviously, as you can tell, I'm here on the Treasury trip, so...
	We're learning a lot about economics.
	So a huge piece of that that I asked the secretary was, well, why not have US LNG be sold to Ukraine and have that be a part of the deal?
	One of the questions they had, they said, was, well, Ukraine doesn't have the infrastructure facilities for receiving the LNG.
	They don't have an LNG platform.
	And I pointed out, well, Poland has an LNG platform.
	So couldn't some of those pipelines or potentially some of that pipeline infrastructure simply flow in the other direction?
	And so instead of the Russian oil flowing to Europe, you have American LNG coming through Poland and flowing to Ukraine.
	There may be a way for that to take place.
	So we'll see if that happens.
	We'll see how the negotiations go.
	Didn't have it set up already, and it certainly wasn't public.
	Of course, if you're listening to this, it's only because I'm already safely out of the territory of Ukraine.
	And look, when it comes down to it, the idea here is that for operational security purposes, we're not going to be putting that out publicly because we don't post anything when we're in a high-risk area unless...
	We're already out of that high-risk area.
	So, of course, I'd like to maintain that operational security while I make my way to the NATO conference in the coming days.
	So, looking forward to all of this, we have to understand, and Zelensky has to understand, that the first deal is always going to be the best one.
	The first deal is absolutely, this is the Gucci deal, this is President Trump coming in and saying, I want to end this war, and also look at this economically, I want there to be I want to stop an economic benefit for the American people, but also I want to stop the killing.
	So how can the American people achieve anything?
	How can the American people actually get something that they want and something that will help them out of this?
	So rather than putting tariffs on just countries that we trade with, why not also increase U.S. investment stake, increase U.S.? Direct investment through the sovereign wealth fund.
	Where am I in?
	Rather than having to increase taxes or increase spending and then decrease taxes and have spending stay the same, what if your assets actually went up and so your spending could be decreased as well as decreasing taxes?
	Again, this is President Trump's plan.
	It's a bold plan.
	It's a completely different way of looking at government.
	It's a completely different way of looking at what our government can do and what it is, because we've always seen fewer governments in the past.
	It's taxed to the American people you spend, but the government has never really done anything in terms of a money-making endeavor.
	President Trump, of course, what does he look at the government as?
	He looks at it as a business.
	He looks at himself as the CEO of that business.
	So we're here currently on the front lines of the business of peace.
	And peace is costly.
	And that's what this is about.
	What is the price to stop the war?
	What is the price to stop the killing?
	I said this to the Secretary as well.
	The Russians are going to have a say as well.
	Because if the Russians don't like the deal, they're going to veto it.
	If the Russians don't like the deal, they still have their militariness.
	The oil prices have been going down and that will have an effect on Russia's economy.
	That will certainly have an effect on their ability to make war.
	But make no mistake.
	When the Russians view NATO as an existential threat and they view this area as historically part of Russia, if you go back to Tucker Carlson's interview with Vladimir Putin and when Lavrov talked about it as well, they view this as an existential threat to their security.
	So, if that is truly the case, will the deal stand?
	Will the deal be enough to placate that desire?
	Will it be enough to placate the situation?
	Will the peace hold?
	You can win the war, but you have to also win the peace.
	See what happens.
	So here we are.
	Day two begins on the outskirts of Kiev, Ukraine.
	Come through.
	Spent the night here on the train.
	Palatial accommodations, as you can see, just about 20 minutes now from arriving at Kiev Central Station.
	We were here, Human Events Daily, just about three months into the outbreak of the Ukraine-Russia war, and now we're here again three years later.
	You're here at the start.
	Hopefully, you'll hear what should be the end.
	You can see the frost on the ground.
	Some snow, not too much.
	Smoke coming up from the chimneys as we pass by the villages and settlements outside of Kiev.
	Later today, Secretary Besant will be meeting.
	With President Zelensky presenting that new deal to him from President Trump in person, by the way.
	Not going to Munich, not going to Vienna or Brussels, one of those places.
	No.
	We've come all the way here to Kiev, to the center of things, to the heart of the matter, to directly get down to business.
	So that's where we're going to go today.
	The house is now starting to get a bit larger.
	We hit closer and closer into Kiev proper.
	We won't be going down.
	We're back here in Kyiv.
	Loaded up on our way to go and see President Zelensky as well as a number of other...
	Government officials here in the city.
	Here in Kiev, just had Secretary Besant meet with the Prime Minister of Ukraine, discussed the economic deal that he's looking to put forward for Ukraine and the United States.
	He said he wants to intertwine the economies, continue material support for...
	Ukraine from the United States side as a signal both to the Ukrainian leadership and the Russian leadership that America does intend to support a fully independent Ukraine.
	The United States is committed to Ukrainian independence and is also committed that the American people will also understand what we're doing here.
	The President Trump has a plan to In this war, and we would like an economic cooperation agreement.
	And in exchange for this agreement, the U.S. will continue to provide material support for the Ukraine, for the people.
	And we believe that this agreement will be a strong signal to Russian leadership of the U.S. commitment that we have here.
	And we think it will be a strong signal to the American people that the money that is coming to Ukraine, we have shared values, we have shared security, and we look to increase our shared economic development.
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	We are back on the night train.
	We just left Ukraine, where Treasury Secretary had a direct meeting, delegation, President Vladimir Zelensky.
	During the time, Secretary Besant proposed and gave his proposal for an economic alliance between the U.S. and Ukraine to President Zelensky.
	Do you have some first remarks?
	Yes.
	Okay, thank you very much.
	Secretary, you're welcome.
	First of all, best regards to President Trump, for me, for the power of people who are very thankful to you, your country, and your people, like I can support you, I'm very thankful for the support of Ukraine from the world that he has exposed to everything.
	I'm thankful to the President, to his message that he will support Ukraine and he really wants to stop this war.
	And I know that he's a strong man and I'm sure that he will push Putin and of course I want to discuss with you some financial sanctions which are very important to put on Russians, some additional sanctions, some were strong steps, one of them really played a great potential role.
	And that was the goal.
	The second point, we were able for the decision of G7 about 50 years, but it's not enough.
	So we are trying to do everything.
	At the time, Zelensky was not prepared to sign this deal.
	He came back and said that they would overlook it, that he would look at it with his team, and they're potentially looking at now signing it by Friday, the date of the Munich Security Conference.
	And his one-on-one meeting with J.D. Vance.
	We're, of course, happy to welcome the Ukrainian delegation led by President Zelensky.
	We had a number of fruitful conversations, a number of things for us to follow up and work on.
	And fundamentally, the goal is, as President Trump outlined it, we want the war to come to a close.
	We want the killing to stop.
	But we want to achieve a durable, lasting peace, not the kind of peace that's going to have...
	Eastern Europe in conflict just a couple years down the road.
	So we had a number of good conversations about how we might accomplish that together, and certainly we'll have many more in the days, weeks, and months to come.
	However, what Zelensky didn't know was that during that same timeframe, President Trump was holding another conversation, a conversation directly with President Vladimir Putin.
	Trump said in a post that went up almost coordinated to the very minute.
	When we walked out of Zelensky's presidential offices, he essentially was saying that the United States and Russia are going to look to work together on all partnerships, all cooperation, working together, not just to end the Ukraine war, but also looking to potentially open the door towards renormalization of ties economically and otherwise between Russia and The West.
	So rather than stay on the escalatory spiral of NATO and Russia going back and forth, try to find a way off of that.
	And President Trump said that he and Putin had a long conversation.
	Putin emphasized the need for common sense, a refrain of President Trump's from during the campaign.
	And also very significantly, President Trump said that he agreed to host Putin in the United States.
	As well as he himself, President Trump, traveled to Russia.
	This is something that a few years ago would have been unthinkable.
	This is something going back to 2016 would have been seen as unthinkable, 2017. And then 2018, I was at the One Putin-Trump Summit, which took place in Helsinki, Finland.
	And even then, all those years ago, I remember Jim Acosta, CNN, and the entire media.
	Losing their absolute minds over the conversation that Trump with Putin had, which honestly at the time was pretty bland.
	Now what's going on now is something far bigger.
	And I think Zelensky is starting to realize that perhaps he didn't quite have all the leverage that he thought he did.
	And he overplayed his hand, certainly with President Trump, because the idea is this.
	The American people don't want any more war.
	The American people...
	Don't want to see other countries put ahead of them.
	The American people don't want to see these massive outflows of money from the United States to these endless wars.
	And so if there's some economic viability project, this is of course what President Trump's plan was, talking about the minerals.
	Other resources, a deal that can be done between the U.S. and Ukraine, that's something that perhaps the American people can get behind.
	But this idea of continuing to find an endless war is simply not in the cards.
	And so Zelensky going and acting like this thing can go on indefinitely, I think it gravely underestimates the mood of where the American people currently are.
	I think it gravely underestimates his own leverage as he sits there in Kiev.
	Now, President Trump has said he wants to end the war and is certainly willing to do so in a way that sets up Kiev for at least a peaceful future and peaceful success because he doesn't want it on his head that the war continued or that he wasn't able to get a peace deal done.
	He's, of course, made this peace deal and specifically the Ukraine peace deal.
	One of the top priorities of his foreign policy.
	That's why he's pushing so hard for this at the same time as the usual Gaza peace deal.
	But also with this understanding, this is something that President Trump has always said, that the Russian state isn't some Middle Eastern country.
	This isn't Iraq.
	This isn't Afghanistan.
	This isn't Libya.
	This isn't North Korea.
	This isn't some country that can just be pushed around because they're so small.
	They are, in fact, a leading nuclear power and the leading nuclear power in the world, a country where it makes sense.
	President Trump has said this again and again, it makes sense for the United States and Russia to get along.
	It doesn't mean you have to like each other, it doesn't mean you have to agree with each other, but get along because that is in the greatest interest.
	The greatest interest of all is world peace.
	I've got two little boys.
	I don't want to see those boys grow up and having to have the sort of Damocles hanging over them of a third world war.
	Of a war where they're sent to fight the Russian Tsar on the marshes and the frozen steppe of the Ukrainian hinterland.
	It's just not something that's in the cards for me.
	I want my kids to grow up strong.
	I want them to grow up bold.
	But I don't want their lives to be wasted in excess of another war of the global elites.
	No.
	There's a way where everyone can come out of this win-win.
	And that's what President Trump had that conversation with Putin about.
	And then President Trump turned right around and called President Zelensky.
	And Zelensky once again committed to peace and was also looking for that security partnership.
	So folks, as the night train continues, we will continue on.
	That's the reason we made this trip.
	That's the reason we went all the way into the heart of Kiev here.
	Three years after the war began.
	We were here when it started.
	Hopefully, we can be here for the beginning of the end.
	I'm your correspondent in Ukraine, Jack Masovic, Human Events Daily.

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