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RETURN TO J6 : The 4th Turning Has Begun - Today We Take Back Our Nation

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Christ is...
I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and...
Patriotically, make your voices heard.
You're going to ask me in the middle of the thing when they've already breached the inaugural stuff that should we call the Capitol Police?
I mean, the National Guard?
Why weren't the National Guard there to begin with?
And I take responsibility for not having them just prepared for more.
I know you're hurt.
We had an election that was stolen from us.
It was a landslide election and everyone knows it, especially the other side.
But you have to go home now.
We have to have peace.
We have to have law and order.
The attack on our nation's capital on January 6th, 2021, was an unprecedented assault on the seat of American democracy.
As described in the indictment, it was fueled by lies.
Lies by the defendant, More than 40,000 hours of surveillance footage from in and around the Capitol have been withheld from the public.
And that video tells a very different story about what happened on January 6th.
The video record does not support the claim that January 6th was an insurrection.
Monday marks four years since the 2021 attack on the Capitol.
More than 1500 people involved in the insurrection have been arrested.
But federal investigators have yet to identify the person who planted a pipe bomb outside the Democratic National Committee headquarters in Washington the night before the Capitol riot.
Will you pardon the January 6 rioters who were convicted?
Of federal offenses.
I am inclined to pardon many of them.
Those people have suffered long and hard.
Breaking news at 5.31 here in the East.
Former President Donald Trump, ABC News now projecting, will be the next President of the United States.
Today at the United States Capitol, I will perform my constitutional duty as Vice President of the United States to certify the results of the 2024 election.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily.
Today is January 6th, 2025, in the year of our Lord, Anno Domini.
I want to play a little clip right now.
Something just happened a few moments ago on Capitol Hill.
Let's play it up, but leave me on the screen, guys.
Let's play this up.
This announcement of the state of the vote by the President of the Senate shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the persons elected President and Vice President of the United States, each for a term beginning on the 20th day of January 2025 and shall be entered together with the list of the votes on the journals of the House.
And the Senate.
Thank you very much.
Thank you very much.
through for the last four years.
Remember when they were locking up your friends.
I would venture to say that every single person in this audience has had someone who was locked up, or someone who lost a job, or somebody who was canceled in one way, shape, or form, faced persecution, either personal or professional, for their support of President Trump.
Or their refusal to take a vaccine, or their refusal to participate in the Jan 6 Committee, like Stephen K. Bannon, even though collaborators like Nancy Mace voted to send Stephen K. Bannon to prison, Peter Navarro, Dr. Navarro, no.
No.
Trump winning is not good enough.
J.D. Vance becoming vice president is not good enough.
There's still a thousand people that are sitting in the D.C. gulags.
There are still so many people who need to receive their pardon, and a pardon for them is not good enough either.
They need to be made whole.
They need to be made whole completely for all the time and the finances that they lost from this period.
The United States of America needs to be made whole.
And I don't care how much money we've got to claw back from Ukraine or the Middle East or from Liz Cheney's deep pockets, which are dripping red with the blood of American servicemen.
We are going to do all of it.
And I'll tell you something else.
You think you can stop us?
You tried already.
We're right here.
Come and get us.
We'll be right back. - You talk about influencers.
These are influences.
And they're friends of mine.
Jack.
Where's Jack?
Jack.
He's done a great job.
Okay, Jack Posobiec back live, Human Events Daily.
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You know, look, you know, I tweeted up, you know, it's been four years since I went to the Capitol on January 6th.
Fact check, true.
I was there that day.
And I'll tell you what, the first violence, if you want to talk about violence, first thing that I saw, and I've told the story so many times, but here we are, might as well tell it again, because we are on the four-year anniversary, the commemoration, walking down the hill, Capitol Hill, with Raheem Kassam.
And we had just left the war room, and...
We were going down to our respective offices and we were going to cover the rest of the day's proceedings.
And so everything at that point was completely peaceful.
Everything was fine.
It was about 1.20, maybe 1.15 in the afternoon or so.
And President Trump was still speaking.
In fact, I remember saying to Rahim that we need to get back to the studio.
Before, which is right on Constitution Avenue, we need to get back to the studio before he finishes speaking so we can get on air and explain what's going on.
Okay.
So we're walking down.
And as we're coming over the top of Capitol Hill itself, we see a group of Trump supporters.
And I can see on the steps of the Capitol and I can see surrounding the flags and everything else.
And I say, oh, wow, it seems like there's a lot of people over at the Capitol.
Realizing what it was, I said, I think that's Trump people.
It's MAGA people.
What I saw as looking down there, certainly they were on the steps of the Capitol.
There's no question.
But they were peaceful.
They were peaceful.
And the first violence, if any violence I saw with my own eyes that day, were flashbangs, stun grenades, thrown by the Capitol Police, fired by the Capitol Police.
We later found out that not only had they been fired into a peaceful crowd, but we also saw, in a thread that later came out the next day, that there were unnamed individuals cutting down the fencing, cutting down the bulwarks, cutting down the implements that were supposed to be there, preventing people from going in.
Yet why is it That the people who cut down the fences have never been identified.
They've certainly never been charged.
The IG report tells us that there were 26 unnamed paid federal assets inside the crowd that day.
26. And yes, by the way, federal assets do get paid.
Kind of like being a contractor almost.
The media loves to say, there are no FBI agents.
There are no FBI agents.
That's true.
But what about contractors?
Yeah, don't ask about contractors.
No agents.
No, wait, just leave it at that.
Don't ask any more questions past that.
Yeah, okay.
So we saw what ensued from there.
And it kept going, and it kept going, and it kept going.
And I went on the war room, and I went on air, and I said, look, I don't know what I saw in terms of, Who I could identify.
I don't know who I saw, but I know what I saw.
I don't know who I saw, but I know what I saw.
And I saw agitators.
And I saw provocateurs.
And I saw people going into that crowd and pushing them forward saying, you came this far.
You need to keep going.
Your real enemy is in there.
It wasn't just Ray Epps who said that.
I saw all sorts of random people saying that.
I remember one guy specifically wearing a green poncho.
And it wasn't raining, but he was wearing this poncho, which covered his head.
And he had a goatee, which came down quite a bit.
Thin guy, short.
And he was telling this couple that was standing there, a middle-aged couple that was standing there with American flags, little American flags.
And he kept saying, go in, go in, you got to go in.
And they were like, not here for that.
We're just here to protest.
We're not here to cause that kind of trouble.
So why are you pushing us to do that?
They didn't understand.
And so, then I saw the bullhorn.
Then we saw the people who were on top of the steps, urging people in.
We even saw later, by the way, and I'll always give him credit for this, Alex Jones, who was there on January 6th.
Nobody wants to give Alex Jones credit for this.
I'll give Alex Jones credit for this.
that he was there on January 6th and he climbed on top of a truck and grabbed his billhorn and said, don't go into the Capitol.
Go around the Capitol.
Don't give them what they want.
Don't give them an Ohio State situation.
Or a Kent State situation.
Go around.
Just go around.
And unfortunately, some people did.
And unfortunately, there did end up being a situation where an unarmed woman Named Ashley Babbitt.
Was shot and killed by a reckless Capitol Police officer.
Named Captain.
Captain Michael Burke.
Not Lieutenant anymore.
No, he got a promotion since then.
And this guy, the file on him, go read John Solomon, but the file on this guy is extensive.
Shot his car into a crowd, or a car full of kids at one point.
Completely reckless.
Left his firearm, his service arm, on a subway at one point.
Ridiculous.
Should have been fired a long time ago.
This DEI hire decides, oh, we got an unarmed 5'3 woman.
Got to take her out.
Got to take her out.
And that's what he did.
And so the situation before us, folks, is do you think it's enough?
Do you think it's enough to just say that Trump won and we all went through what we went through for the last four years and we should let bygones be bygones?
I'm not sure.
And I think our next guest isn't sure either.
His name is Mike Davis, and he joins us from the Article 3 project.
Mike, how are you?
Do we have Mike there, guys?
Oh, well, we're working on getting Mike up.
I thought we had him there for a second, but it might just be a frozen avatar of Mike.
But at the end of the day, folks, it's not enough.
For the pro-lifers, too, by the way.
For the Jan Sixers and all the people that have been affected by the crimes of this administration.
That's what they were.
They were crimes against the American people.
Remember, Biden is still in office.
We know it's not actually been him.
We've been here first and foremost on this program telling you that it was Jill Biden and Kamala Harris and so many others that were calling the shots.
And now suddenly the Wall Street Journal and the Daily Mail and everybody else wants to get up on this and say, oh, oh, you know, he actually was catatonic for half the time.
And we just now found out.
No, we know what's going on, right?
The bottom line is there are victims.
Victims of, you should call it like the, what, the Victims of 46 Fund.
The Victims of 46 Fund.
The Victims of 46 Foundation.
This is great.
I'm going to tell Davis about this if we can get him on.
The Victims of 46 Foundation.
All right, want to try Mike again, guys?
Let's try that again.
Mike Davis.
Now, guys, looks like we can see him, but we cannot hear him currently.
So the Victims of 46 Foundation will be set up and initiated to basically exist as a way to help the funding and also help to run the lawsuits that go on, class action lawsuits.
They'll have a number of a number of functions, but also also it will commemorate January 6 and we'll have documentaries and we'll have explanations of what went down.
People can make donations.
Of course, it'll be tax exempt donations.
And of course, it will also be it'll you won't have to be listed for it.
Mike Davis, do we have you?
Sorry about that Jack.
No, it's okay.
Hey, I was just saying that we should create something called the Victims of 46 Foundation.
And the Victims of 46 Foundation can exist for the Jan Sixers and the pro-lifers and people who are kicked out of the military over the vaccine and all the other types of victims of the 46 administration and exist as a foundation to, number one, raise funds for them, but also to run the lawsuits.
What do you think?
I think it's a great idea, Jack.
And I also think...
That these victims need to start bringing civil lawsuits against these bad actors for violating their civil rights.
And also when the Trump 47 Justice Department gets put in place starting on January 20th at noon, there's actually a fund at the Justice Department that the Pam Bondi and Todd Blanche and the other Trump appointees can use to compensate these victims of this Biden lawfare, this unprecedented lawfare, this political persecution by the Biden Justice Department.
That's exactly right.
We're going to go to a quick break here, but I want to give Mike Davis his due because, Mike, look, you know, we can come up with the ideas, we understand what the direction is, but that's why we have Mike Davis, that's why we have the Article 3 project that's going to be on the outside, but to maintain that voice, to maintain that professional but also knowledgeable voice about what direction that we should be taking things in.
Folks, we have finally done it.
We've climbed up to the highest mountain.
From the depths of the deepest valley.
And oh, by the way, we're not going to let anyone knock us off this mountain.
Stay tuned.
We'll be right back. - Long hours.
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Okay, folks.
Jack Posobiec back live.
Human events daily.
A snowy, icy Washington, D.C. But that's okay because our hearts are warm with the love of patriotism, the love of nation, the love of our fellow American.
And someone else who's known for his big, warm heart is Mike Davis.
Mike, how you doing, brother?
I'm doing well.
When you think of Mike Davis, you think of a big, warm heart.
I agree.
You do.
When I think of Mike Davis, I think of that scene in The Grinch when his heart grows three sizes.
It's basically like that.
It's basically like that every day, especially on a January 6th where Kamala Harris has to certify the votes of her successors, J.D. Vance and Donald J. Trump.
But Davis, look, we could sit here and we could celebrate and we could pop the champagne, but I don't really feel that way.
I feel like, and people keep asking this question about retribution, retribution.
I say, okay, okay, retribution.
That's your guy's word.
But I have a word that I'd like to talk about, and it's called...
Restitution.
What can you tell us about restitution, Mike?
Yeah, restitution is where you make the victims whole.
And we have a lot of victims of this Biden lawfare and election interference, including President Trump, his top aide Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro, who went to prison after asserting constitutional executive privilege going back 250 years to George Washington.
A thousand people.
Who Matthew Graves and the rest of the Biden Justice Department prosecuted for January 6th, four years ago.
They're still hunting them down.
Parents who were targeted by the Biden FBI for raising concerns about gender chaos in schools and the resulting rapes in their kids' bathrooms.
Christians being...
Charged under the Federal Face Act and thrown in prison, including a 75-year-old Christian who is praying at an abortion clinic, while the Biden Justice Department gives amnesty to BLM and Antifa and Hamas and Planned Parenthood activists and trans terrorists who are targeting crisis pregnancy centers and Catholic churches.
There has to be accountability for what has happened over the last four years.
That accountability is going to start January.
20th at noon.
And I would say to these Biden operatives who waged this Republican in lawfare and election interference, lawyer up because justice is coming and nobody is above the law.
That's what you told us for the last four years.
And you're about to get a big dose of restitution.
Look, and this is, folks, this is biblical.
It is absolutely biblical.
Luke 19, chapter one.
Excuse me, Luke 19 verses 1 to 10. Luke 19 verses 1 to 10. When Zacchaeus is up in the tree and Jesus sees him, he says, come down from there.
And he says, look, Lord, here I am.
And now I give half my possessions to the poor.
And if I have cheated anyone out of anything, I will pay back four times the amount.
That's what we're talking about, folks.
And then Jesus says to him, today salvation has come to this house because this man too is a son of Abraham for the son of man came to seek.
And save the lost.
You want repentance?
You want atonement?
Well, guess what?
That requires restitution.
Restitution is absolutely required.
It is biblical in the Old Testament and the New, and that's what we're talking about here.
You don't just get to cheat people and say, oh, I'm sorry, I'm so sorry, you know, let's let bygones be bygones.
While Liz Cheney and her family get to skip away while her pockets are dripping with the red blood of patriots, yeah, I don't think so.
Yeah, I mean, look what Liz Cheney did.
There's pretty strong evidence that she obstructed justice through her witness tampering of Cassidy Hutchinson, their key January 6th witness for their bogus January 6th committee.
And I would say to Liz Cheney, your daddy's not going to be able to save you this time.
Your daddy has gotten you every job you've had in your life going back to your days as a lifeguard.
Your daddy couldn't save you when the voters of Wyoming threw you out of office and your daddy's not going to be able to save you from the Trump 47 Justice Department for obstruction of justice, conspiracy.
Witness tampering, subvenation of perjury, perjury, so many possible charges.
And this is a huge piece of it.
You know, it's actually funny because I remember, man, when the Hutch first came out, Cassidy Hutchinson, I said, there's something up with this Hutch.
We made her kind of a star here on the program.
And of all the people who came up in the entire Jan 6 committee, The menagerie, the fiasco with a circus.
I said Cassidy Hutchinson, this is the weak link.
This is clearly the weak link.
This is the one who will not hold up under questioning.
And it turns out that not only did she not hold up, she did so badly that even Liz Cheney, with her friend Alyssa Farah, by the way, of The View, had to come in and manipulate her testimony.
So, Davis, just walk me through that very basic one a little bit here.
The manipulation of testimony.
This is suborning of perjury, right?
Yeah, I mean, you have Cassidy Hutchinson, who was a sworn witness before Congress, before the January...
And you have evidence in the form of these text messages where Liz Cheney, as a member of that committee, is trying to conspire with Cassidy for her to provide false testimony.
That is witness tampering.
That is obstruction of justice.
That is conspiracy.
That is perjury.
That is subordination of perjury.
So, Liz Cheney, lawyer up, honey.
Your dad's not going to be able to save you.
Davis, let's talk going forward from there.
When we look at retribution, we look at all these various things, what is the role of Mike Davis over the next couple of years going to be?
I'm going to continue to run the Article 3 project.
The reason I started the Article 3 project is because I saw during President Trump's first term there was a massive void on the right for an outside group that has the insider experience.
But the outsider mindset and my fighting abilities.
And so I started it after the Kavanaugh fight.
We've been up and running for five years.
We've been key on these judicial nominations, on lawfare, on election integrity, and now cabinet picks.
And we're going to be with President Trump every step of the way, along with his team.
We're going to help him pick judges in his second term.
We're going to help him confirm those judges.
We're going to work with Pam Bondi.
His Attorney General and the rest of his legal team.
President Trump came into office the first time.
He had never run for office.
He had never won office.
I think he's learned his lesson from his first term.
He's had eight years to reflect on when he went in the first time.
He's not going to fall for the nonsense that they threw at him last time, like Russian collusion, crossfire hurricane.
And the Article III project, like we said, we're going to be with him every step of the way.
It's as simple as that.
Look, we all remember that very early on in the Trump administration, the first one, right, the first administration, the 45 administration, it was even within the first week when General Flynn started getting jammed up by Strzok and these other individuals who came over to Joe Penka, who conducted this, they called it a defensive briefing, but it was actually a setup to try to get him to lie.
They claimed that he lied.
The FD-302 didn't actually support that.
So just like the supporting of perjury, by the way, they had to rewrite the 302, which is the summary report given by the FBI agents because Flynn didn't lie.
But then, of course, it was Mike Pence who threw Flynn under the bus.
Again, this all happened the very...
First week, the very first week of the first Trump administration.
So this is why I explain to people.
The first hundred days cannot be slow rolled.
It needs to be shock and awe every single day.
Use violence of action to achieve full spectrum total dominance.
I'm talking announcements.
I'm talking nominations.
I'm talking appointments.
It's got to be all of it and it's got to be swiftly.
And the firings, oh my gosh, Davis, explain to me.
Does it make sense to hold on people in places like the Department of Justice, the U.S. Attorneys, the National Security Council, and all of these spots that were appointed by the Biden administration?
Does it make any sense whatsoever in your mind?
No, not at all.
Biden didn't do it, so we should not do it.
And we need to get rid of all of these career detaillees to the National Security Council, to the homeland.
Security Council to the front office of the Attorney General's office, the Deputy Attorney General's office, all the Assistant Attorneys General, the FBI Director's office, the Deputy's office.
We need to clean house.
We need to bring our own people on board.
President Trump won.
He won with a mandate.
312 electoral votes, which the Congress just certified today.
He has a clear mandate to govern and he needs to govern.
It's really as simple as that, folks.
Again, if you leave these people behind, let's think of some of the names who were leaving behind last time around.
Alexander and Yevigny Vindman, Eric Chamarella.
All of these names who were holdovers from the previous administration.
And we thought, oh, well, you know, we're going to be reconciling and we're going to have a soft touch and we're going to have a light touch.
Guess what?
Those were all the James Comey, by the way, James Comey was a holdover from Obama until he was fired in May of 2017. So James Comey was a holdover.
Even again, you cannot do this.
If I have one message, it is that all the department heads.
The entire NSC staff, the quote-unquote career officials, the DOJ, the U.S. attorneys, they've all got to go because those are the people that were brought up during the Biden administration, or in many cases prior to that, in the Obama administration.
That's why this is important.
That's why this matters.
That's why you need to commit the violence of action to go in there and absolutely clean house.
When we say clean house, we mean completely.
I don't mean just the surface.
I mean down into the roots of the house.
Last minute, Mike Davis.
Yeah, that's exactly right, Jack.
We need to clean out the top, at least the top three layers of the Justice Department, at least the top of the litigating division.
So the career deputy assistant attorneys general, the career section chiefs, the career assistant chiefs at the FBI, you need to clean out the deputy director.
The associate director, the assistant directors, including the assistant directors of the key field offices like the Washington field office, you need to go even lower than that.
President Trump needs to bring in his own team, including his own team of career officials, to take over these posts.
It's really as simple as that, folks.
It's really as simple as that.
Mike Davis, where can people go to support the Article 3 project?
Thank you, Jack.
Article3project.org.
Article3project.org.
You can donate, follow us on social media, and most importantly, take action, particularly on these cabinet nominations.
Go there, support Davis, and we will fulfill the mandate.
Come back.
Jack, where's Jack?
Where is he?
Jack, I want to see you.
Great job, Jack.
Thank you.
What a job you do.
You know, we have an incredible thing.
We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys, and these are the guys who should be getting Pulisic.
All right, Jack Posobiec back live here, Human Events Daily.
Very excited to have on our next guest.
It's Julie Kelly, ladies and gentlemen.
Julie, how do you feel today, January 6th, four years later?
First of all, I feel very happy and gratified for the J6ers because justice is coming for them, exoneration.
They can start to rebuild their lives that this Department of Justice has destroyed.
So I'm feeling happy for them.
And I guess as a reporter, also gratified.
That all of the work that I've done that you have helped me bring to your viewers and your followers, most importantly, Jackie, were so supportive of me early on.
And, you know, other reporters like Darren Beatty.
Just keep plugging along and exposing the truth about January 6th, the cover-up, the lies, and what we now know appears to be an inside job.
So did I see this day coming?
In my wildest dreams, I did.
You know, walking out of courtrooms in Washington, D.C. and feeling just infuriated and heartbreak.
Heartbroken what was happening to these J6ers, how vicious these prosecutors are.
So this turn of events, turn of fate, is something I'd hoped for but never really thought would happen.
And so today is a pretty gratifying day.
It certainly is surreal.
And I just want to point out that the work, your work, Julie Kelly, and you mentioned, of course, also Darren Beattie.
Tucker Carlson and others who in those very dark days going all the way back to January 7th and January 8th when people were trying to make MAGA a dirty word where they were saying if you wear a red hat that you had done something wrong.
I don't think that this movement really would have succeeded without your work, without what you did day after day after day to not only expose the lies the abject lies that went on through these proceedings many of the court proceedings and so many of the times judges or graves or these attorneys just throwing facts completely out the window but also the work to construct or really peer through all the lies
I would say not construct but actually uncover the true Narrative of what took place that day and then for all of the slings and the arrows and all of the incoming that came down on your head, Julie,
and all of the people that came after you, including people who, you know, I think they say in those moments you find out who your friends really are and you certainly did and you find out those who aren't and this movement would not have survived if it wasn't for Julie Kelly.
And a few others like her.
And I just want to say we need to take a moment to kind of love on Julie a little bit because all of this was given a fresh breath of air and all of this was given a light at the tunnel by what she was able to uncover by doing the work, digging day in, day out under immense pressure and taking immense incoming from the other side.
God bless you, Julie.
Make sure everybody go and give her a follow right now.
Well, Jack, thank you.
And you've always had my back, including especially the times people who we thought were our friends and allies tried to destroy me and my reputation and discredit my work.
So you've always had my back.
And I want to thank you for that, because if it weren't for, you know, big platforms and friends like you who stuck with me and stuck with Darren and a couple others.
Who helped unpack all of this?
We would have been finished.
And look, that's what a lot of even Republicans wanted.
That's why there were so few Republican members of the House or Senate.
None.
Who were willing to take on the cause of the political prisoners or ask tough questions about the unanswered questions like the pipe bomber, how many FBI assets, etc.
There were only a handful of Republican House members who did that too.
So it was a small group, but it can demonstrate what can get done.
What can be accomplished if you pursue the truth and you do what's right, not just for yourself, for others, but for your country in general.
Look, and there's so many people who want to sit there and say, oh, well, what can I do?
What can I do as a single person?
What can I do as a single individual?
Julie Kelly's one person.
She didn't have some team working behind her.
Julie, how much staff do you have, Julie?
How many staff do I have?
I have one researcher who does tremendous work for me.
But that's really, and I do, you know, American Greatness, where I published my first two years of my work, they were very supportive of my work.
So I left there in 2023 to kind of start my own thing and start my sub stack.
But that team there was also very supportive because there just were not media outlets who were going to publish anything that contradicted the J6 narrative.
And of course, I have to give a shout out to Tucker Carlson because if he didn't have me on, if he didn't have Darren Beatty on.
And really zone in.
And then, of course, his documentary, Patriot Purge, that he produced at the end of 2021. I think without him, none of this would have happened either, regardless of how hard I worked.
So we have to give a shout out to him as well.
Of course, of course, of course.
And God bless Tucker for all that he did and lost his job, essentially, over this.
But I think he's come out on the upper end, on that one, on the upper side.
The point I'm making, though, is what can one person do?
Well, look what Julie Kelly did, right?
She just started reading.
She started reading.
She started connecting dots and saying, wait a minute, this does not make any sense.
And MSNBC and CNN, we remember how They were crowing and they were applauding.
They're ripping their vestments and screaming about how excited they were that MAGA was over and Trump was over.
And anyone who's a Trump supporter from this day on is going to be akin to a domestic terrorist.
And here we are just four days later on the next January 6th of a presidential cycle that it's the exact...
And if you think that all happened by accident, if you think that all happened without the sweat and tears, and yeah, the blood of so many patriots that went into this.
And it's not because it's, by the way, Julie, the other piece of this that I think that a lot of folks have missed, and I know you wouldn't be remiss to say, and as you always do when we have you on, that what you did was you told the stories of the J6ers.
Right.
So I did.
And I think in 2021, one thing that I was able to do was just call in and listen to the court proceedings in Washington, what was happening, how these prosecutors and judges were working together to keep men in pretrial detention, deny their release even on nonviolent offenses.
And so that just shocked me.
Now I'm not an attorney.
I'm not familiar with the court system.
But even I knew something was wrong.
So I was able to call into the courts and listen, look at the docket and see who was being arraigned and who was taking a plea deal and who was being sentenced.
And then after that, they shut down the audio line as soon as they started the jury trials in Washington.
So I would have to go to the courthouse and I covered parts of the biggest high-profile trials, Proud Boys, the Oath Keepers.
But then, you know, Defendants no one had heard of, you know, people whose lives are being destroyed over misdemeanors.
And I would go into this courtroom, I'd be the only reporter there.
The defendant would be up there with the full weight of the Department of Justice and government on one side and a judge who hated their guts up on the stand.
And no one was there for that person because in a lot of cases, Jack, their family members abandoned them, their friends abandoned them, they lost their jobs, they went bankrupt, they got divorced.
I mean, the human wreckage left behind from Merrick Garland, Lisa Monaco, and D.C. U.S. Attorney Matthew Graves cannot be forgotten, and they must be held accountable for what they did to innocent Americans who did nothing more than exercise their First Amendment rights to protest the 2020 election at a government building, government property, publicly owned property on a Wednesday afternoon.
Nonetheless, turning them into what you said, domestic terrorists.
So there has to be accountability from this point forward.
And I'm hoping that my work will help either the DOJ or congressional investigators, Senate investigators, committees who want to dive into what these prosecutors and these judges have done over the past four years, systematically denying the constitutional rights of Americans because...
They wanted them punished for supporting Donald Trump.
Julie, what's next for you?
Are you going to attend the inauguration here on the 20th?
I am not going to be there.
I have some things at home that week before, and you know this, Jack.
It's kind of a crazy time.
So I think I'm better just at home waiting to hear what the pardon announcement will be on that day and then get to work after that because we've got a lot more to do in 2025. I love it.
Julie Kelly, getting to work.
That's what she does.
That's what we all need to do.
Nose to the grindstone and the grind.
Don't quit.
We'll be right back here.
Human Events Daily.
Jack is a great guy.
He's written a fantastic book.
When he's talking about it, go get it.
And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event.
And we're going to turn it around and make our country great again.
Amen.
All right, Jack, so we're back here at Human Events Daily.
January 6th.
Yeah, that's right.
January 6th.
And so there is one piece that I think we need to go through with Julie Kelly before we leave, and that if we let her leave, by the way, and she's gracious enough to be here with us on the suspicious occasion.
But Julie, the question becomes the pardons.
Now, there was some breaking over the weekend that it sounds like President Trump is intending to pardon as many as over 1,000 January 6ers.
That sounds to me like he's looking to pardon all of them.
Is that what you're hearing?
Jack, last night, and it wasn't really sourced to anyone, but not saying that it's not the case that he will pardon 1,000 J6ers on day one, because the total caseload right now is reaching 1,600 defendants.
And appallingly, Matthew Graves, the D.C. U.S. attorney who's handling the J6 prosecution, issued a statement today saying that he could still arrest and charge.
Up to 200 more J6ers by January 20th.
If President Trump is planning to pardon 1,000 or so, that would represent the bulk of defendants who were convicted or charged with four or five common misdemeanors.
That would be the easiest pardon for him to issue.
Day one, the stickier ones, of course, will be those charged or convicted of assaulting or interfering with police, the civil disorder counts, and certainly seditious conspiracy convictions of roughly two dozen members of the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers.
So my guess is that is how this is going to flesh out.
On day one, it'll be the misdemeanants, 900 or so, maybe civil disorder.
Certainly, he should immediately pardon all of the 1512C2 obstruction of an official proceeding convictions because the Supreme Court overturned how the DOJ was applying that.
They overturned that in June.
And also, Jack, let's remember posthumous pardons for the at least four January 6th defendants who committed suicide under the relentless torment of the DOJ, including, of course, Matthew Perna.
Well, amen to that.
I certainly couldn't agree more.
And when it comes to these pardons, it does look like it's going to be swift.
And by the way, Julie, this isn't something like, I remember when the media was running around this weekend with this report, they were trying to say, oh, you know, I can't believe it.
I can't believe he's doing this.
Hold on a second.
He mentioned this at almost every single rally of 2024. This was not something like the mass deportations, like trade.
This was something that was front and center.
It was mentioned.
You could go back and, I don't know, maybe AI could check.
But I want to say it was probably mentioned at almost every single rally.
And if not...
Likely a large majority of them.
And by the way, Julie, did you ever think, by the way, that when you first started doing this work, that that would even become something that you would hear President Trump saying and campaigning on as a policy platform when he was running for re-election, this idea of the pardons?
Like, this wasn't something he shied away from.
He brought it front and center.
He did.
And I really applaud him and commend him for that because I think that the J6 cause became such an issue, motivating issue for the base.
And I can tell you, in 2021, again, a few...
House members.
Louie Gohmert was the first Republican I spoke to on this.
He called and wanted to hear what was going on.
Of course, Marjorie Taylor Greene, you had Paul Gosar, you had Andy Biggs, you know, the small group who really wanted to find out, Matt Gaetz, who really wanted to find out what was going on.
But that was it.
Then, end of 2021, early 2022, when Congress went home and they started getting an earful from their constituents and their donors wanting to know what they were doing to help the J6ers.
All of a sudden, I started getting outreach from other House members and even a few senators who wanted to know what was going on, but there still was not a lot of...
Help forthcoming.
So I think President Trump feels strongly about this.
He knows how badly these defendants have been treated by the legal and judicial system in Washington, D.C. I'm sure he feels somewhat responsible, even though he did not incite the events of January 6th, the government did, but still wants to make whole his supporters who went there that day to express their support for him.
And so did I ever believe it would become a defining, animating political issue in the 2024 presidential election?
No.
But I do think it speaks to the power of our base, the intelligence of our base, especially your audience, who is such a big part of that.
So, no, I didn't see it as a campaign issue, but you are right.
The president made this a chief issue.
Promising to pardon J6ers.
He was asked a lot about it.
He's going to get resistance from Republicans in Washington, especially on those 111 assaulter interfering with police.
But I think he's got enough good people around him.
And I will tell you the announcement that Stanley Woodward, who was a J6... A criminal defense attorney, he represented Walt Nauta in the classified documents case, the Mar-a-Lago employee who was also charged there.
Stanley Woodward knows how corrupt this DOJ, and he saw what happened in that Washington courthouse, and he also saw what happened in Florida.
So he will be, and he was just appointed special legal advisor to the president, to the White House.
He will be probably the most valuable resource in the White House to guide them on what they should do with pardon.
Well, I certainly couldn't agree more with that.
We need to look through this.
And what's interesting about this, by the way, is that so typically pardons and commutations happen at the end of a presidency.
However, we know that for President Trump, this, in a sense, is already a, I'm not going to say lame duck, but it's already a presidency that we know he can't run again.
So that's it.
This is the last term that he's going to be running.
Unless there's any changes to the Constitution and the amendments process, we'll see.
You know, the two-term limit was not in the original Constitution by the founders.
I'm just going to put that out there.
The left Democrats elected FDR four times in a row.
So just, you know, just saying, just saying.
And who's to say whether or not they're consecutive?
But so these pardons can really come day one.
Julie, where can people go to find you, follow you, and support your work?
Jack, thank you again for your kind words and for being such a good friend and supporter of the J6ers as well.
My sub-stack is Declassified with Julie Kelly.
I'm also at Real Clear Investigations and, of course, I spend a lot of time on Twitter, ex-Julie underscore Kelly, too.
Folks, go follow Julie Kelly.
Without her, this day would have been a lot, a lot different.
We can take our country back.
Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission.
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