July 10, 2024 - Human Events Daily - Jack Posobiec
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Conservatives Must Take Action NOW Against Illegals Voting
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But We need to get conservatives who understand action.
And so, as such, the Article 3 Project Action official is here with us today.
Will Chamberlain is in studio.
Will, how are you?
Doing great, Jack.
Good to be with you.
So, walk me through, why is it so important that we must pass the SAVE Act now?
Well, it's really straightforward.
It's about making sure that only American citizens vote in federal elections.
Right now, I mean, election integrity laws are just not quite good enough.
Obviously, there should be a federal law.
A little bit of an understatement.
Right, yeah.
We'll keep it simple.
But it's just quite obvious that federal law should obviously mandate proof of citizenship.
You have to provide proof of citizenship to get a job in this country.
Every time you start a new job, you fill out an I-9, give them your passport or some other proof of your citizenship.
So you should have to do that to vote, too.
So we can make sure that you're a citizen if you're actually voting in our federal elections.
And so when we had Congressman Marjorie Taylor Greene on yesterday and she was talking about this, and I mentioned this as well in my NatCon speech earlier this morning, that this is something that we'd love to see House Republicans actually dig their heels in on.
This is something where you've got the power of the purse.
Use your leverage.
Do you think that's something that House Republicans can do on their own?
I mean, I think they can do that on their own.
Will they?
I don't know, but they can.
Yes, they can.
Right?
Like, they obviously have the ability to shut down the government over this.
I think it's a pretty persuasive case that if there's anything you're going to shut down the government over, it's ensuring that only American citizens vote in our elections, probably.
I mean, and I'm sure that American people would agree it's probably an 80-20 issue, at least.
I mean, I'm sure there's some hardcore Democrats that really hope that non-citizens vote in this election, but most Americans, I think, have the right view.
And so this is something that you and Mike Davis over at the Article 3 Project are actually putting a program forward to help people get this across the finish line.
And so we've got just a couple of seconds here until the break, but I want people to understand this.
I mean, we won't have an election if we, you know, all of the stuff about, is Biden going to be in the ballot?
Who's going to be Trump's running mate?
He's collapsing, etc.
It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter if you have these ridiculous, fake, phony, false ballots in the system.
That's what the SAVE Act is going to fix.
Folks, we'll be right back here.
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It's actually A3P Action that's running this site.
Walk me through some of the ideas.
So when we see the SAVE Act, and it seems like something, as you say, it should be an 80-20 issue that we don't want, and I love when they, you know, illegal immigrants, as we should call them, but Do you remember when they were saying undocumented and they were saying undocumented immigrants, etc.?
Well, that's actually not a misnomer because They are documented, or it is a misnomer, because they are documented.
They're documented citizens of their countries.
So if I were to just take up, uh, you know, take up residence in China or Russia or Iran or India or anywhere in the world, you can't just, well, not China doesn't have elections, but you know what I mean?
You can't just start effecting, um, you know, elections.
You can't start voting.
You actually need to have, you know, applying for the party or something like this in China, for example, you can't have this.
And so we are the only country, majorly, that puts this forward, but at the same time you have a...
I just don't know if I see the level of fight within the House GOP to get this over the finish line.
And so why was it that A3P action decided to specifically focus on this act?
Well, I mean, it's obviously extraordinarily important.
Who can vote in elections is a meta-political issue.
It controls how everything else gets resolved.
So you want elections to have integrity.
I think it's really important people get out there, contact their Congress people.
You should take a look at the A3P Action website.
We make it extremely easy with a few clicks just email your Congress people and tell them what you think and what you think they should do.
And so when I look at these committees out there and I see, you know, Jim Jordan's got the Weaponization Committee, and it's just something where I'm like, shouldn't we be investigating how it is that illegal aliens are voting?
Wouldn't that be something that's perfectly reasonable to use the Weaponization Committee for?
I understand that they're holding some hearings today and they're, you know, getting some, some traction, having a little bit of fun on a certain things, but also looking at advertisers and different, and that's fine.
That's fine.
But guys, we are what?
117 days away from an election.
And as, as Conservative Treehouse and others have pointed out that once these guys get into the country and they start getting driver's licenses, then you go up to like my home state of Pennsylvania, where Josh Shapiro has enacted universal motor voter, which means when you sign up for a driver's license, you're automatically registered to vote.
And there's, and Will, is there a verification check to make sure someone's a citizen other than, oh, I don't know, the honor system?
I don't know.
That's a good question, actually.
Probably not.
That would be my guess.
Like, generally not.
Generally not.
And, you know, one of the things, Democrats like to make this argument about how it's just too hard to provide proof of citizenship to be able to vote.
The same way they said, oh, it's too hard to have a driver's license even to be able to vote.
Well, you know, maybe you should take all that money that you drown all your non-profits in, all this advocacy money, and put some of it towards helping people who don't currently have identification get that identification if they are indeed American citizens.
That would be a very virtuous use of all your, you know, your political dollars.
I mean, think about how hard... I mean, if you can't get on a plane to the NIAID, that seems like a problem that you should have fixed if you can't... I mean, so people should really... I think Democrats are just absolutely ridiculous on this issue.
Why is it then, I mean it's tempting to say that they're just saying that because they want illegals to vote.
Do you really think this is something that's become a third rail for them?
Yeah, I think so.
I think there is a deep fear of them losing power to the right and that they don't actually hold the influence over most American citizens.
And so I think this is part of their long-term plan.
You saw that article in Axios about Democrats mobilizing full force against the possibility of passing a law that says only American citizens can vote.
Why?
Full force!
Why are you so motivated about this particular issue?
What is it about your political strategy that means that this is a deal-breaker?
Yeah, you know, it's not like, and I saw someone, I forget who it was tweeting, but they said, you know, you don't see them mobilizing full force to, oh, I don't know, protect the southern border or even, even just one of their own topics, like provide health care or get education out there for people.
No, no, no.
It's full force when it comes to making sure that illegal aliens, and then Joe Biden, who is sitting up there and he's now I always have to kind of couch this when I say it because so the White House has said that the White House will be vetoing the legislation if it passes and this is another issue and this is something where I would love to see the Weaponization Committee get involved because we need the actual investigation to figure out who is in charge of our government right now.
Yeah, that's a very good question.
Is it Joe Biden?
Is it Jill Biden?
Is it Hunter Biden?
Like, who actually is running things?
I mean, we saw just today there was an op-ed from George Clooney saying that the Joe Biden we saw at the debate is the Joe Biden that he saw at the fundraiser that he started.
This is a big New York Times piece.
Well, yeah, it was like, I love Joe, but it's time, or good night and good luck, I love Joe, but we can't do that.
Yeah, I mean, the idea is that it's time for Joe to go.
They're scared, and the Democrats are running scared, and so I think it would be a great opportunity for the House to be increasing the pressure in between the factions of the Democratic Party, trying to figure out whether or not this guy's going to stay or go.
So this is something and we were getting into a little bit in the cold open and so Pelosi comes out today with, you know, no makeup on MSNBC.
So she's she's out there.
She's kind of got a new look.
She doesn't have that sort of classic Nancy Pelosi look.
She goes out there and she says, well, it's Joe's decision.
It's up to the president to decide if he's going to run.
The time is running short.
He is beloved, he is respected, and people want him to make that decision.
And so, Pelosi, it's kind of interesting because She, you know, Speaker Emeritus, this like weird thing they made up for her.
She's got a lot of power within the party.
She's got some influence over Joe Biden.
And so for her to say something like, I mean, obviously he said again and again that he's going to be running.
So when she says it's up to him to make the decision, I think we can all read between the lines there.
Right, they're trying to insist that the decision has yet to be made, even though Joe has in fact made it.
Like, you can imagine just the Democrats themselves being like, it's time to make a decision, Joe.
And he says, yes, I'm running.
And they're like, Joe, it's time to make a decision.
I'm running, I'm running.
Joe, it's time to make your decision.
Well, and this is how the Democrats act on anything, by the way.
And in one hand, I kind of wish Republicans were like this a little bit more, because the Democrats, you know, like, Joe, it's time to pass the SAVE Act.
Joe, it's time to pass the SAVE Act.
Joe, the SAVE Act will be passed now.
What?
What?
No, no.
And it's, it's, it's, you're going to keep going until they get their way.
And that's what it comes down to.
But Nancy Pelosi You see, this is the issue that all the Democrat leadership has, and I think it's why you're seeing such a tepid response from them, is because he's dug in like a deer tick.
They don't actually have any legal mechanism to get rid of him.
And oh, by the way, as George Clooney even points out, we already gave him $300 million or whatever it is.
So he's legally sitting on that in a way that nobody else can like claw back.
No refunds.
Right.
It's a lot like the Ralph Northam situation.
Remember, Ralph Northam was discovered to be wearing blackface, and everybody assumed that he was going to have to quit his job.
But it turned out nobody could force him to quit, and it wasn't in his interest to quit.
So he didn't.
I see the same thing going on with Joe Biden.
I think Pelosi and the other Democrats' only hope is to essentially convince Joe Biden that he already did, in fact, resign and drop out of the race.
Because, you know, his cognitive ability is not really there, so maybe he can be just convinced that actually it already happened.
Or I've heard someone else say that they, you know how they have that like separate White House, the like fake Oval Office set?
Just put him over there and tell him that he's still the president.
And like bring in a Trump impersonator and hold another couple of debates and make him think that he's still running and then, you know, actually have him sign off.
Right.
But it goes to your point, though, that it's Jill Biden and Hunter Biden who, and we've said this on Human Events Daily since episode one, by the way.
And folks, remember the Shade War updates that we used to do, that it's always been them that were actually calling the shots.
They set up this bubble around him.
And it's amazing.
You know, I get called a conspiracy theorist for saying it for years.
And then all of a sudden, The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, they're all saying the exact same thing.
Right, yeah, your updates are, you know, pointing out something that I don't see very much in the news, which is that the Bidens and Kamala Harris do not like each other.
No!
At all.
I mean, go back all the way to the debates, the primary debates in 2020, where Kamala...
Called him a racist.
They didn't forget that.
They felt like they had to put her in as the VP for identity politics reasons, but that doesn't mean there's any love between those factions.
And the Bidens know that in the event that they drop out, it's almost certainly going to be Kamala, and I don't think they want that to happen.
Will Chamberlain, we've got about a minute left here in the segment.
We've got Senator Mike Lee joining us next.
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Senator, how are you?
Doing great.
Good to be with you.
Well, Senator, we've been talking about the SAVE Act all week.
We saw President Trump's post, and even for him, I would say, this was a quite vociferous post, quite emphatic post about really pushing on Republicans in the Congress to focus on the SAVE Act.
You yourself are focused on this.
Tell me, why was the SAVE Act something that was so on the top of your list of things to focus on?
The SAFE Act's a top priority for me for one simple reason.
President Biden has let in an estimated, I don't know, 10, 11, 12 million illegal aliens just in the last three and a half years alone.
You add that to others already here, the total non-citizen population of the United States estimated at around 30 million.
So you add that to the fact that under the National Voter Registration Act passed in 1993, as it was interpreted by the Supreme Court of the United States a few years ago, a non-citizen Well, while non-citizens are currently prohibited from voting in federal elections, a non-citizen may go and apply for a driver's license.
All 50 states and the District of Columbia will issue a driver's license to a non-citizen.
And then if they just check a box and sign a paper saying that they're eligible to vote in federal elections, it's on the honor system.
From that moment forward, they can be registered to vote.
And here's the thing, because of the way the Supreme Court interpreted that 1993 law, the state officials registering them to vote under the motor voter framework are prohibited from asking them to verify their U.S.
citizenship.
That's a problem, and it's a perfect storm, especially with How President Biden has deliberately added so many non-citizens to our population illegally just in the last few years.
So that's why we've got to pass the SAVE Act, because the SAVE Act would say you've got to be able to establish your citizenship, prove your U.S.
citizenship in order to vote in a federal election, in order to register to vote in a federal election.
There's no legitimate basis upon which someone could oppose this.
Now, that being said, I think it's something and we just had Will Chamberlain from the Article 3 Project on.
Talking about this as well.
This is something, by the way, which I'm sure would be an 80-20 issue if polled.
You always seem to find 20% that just don't agree with whatever the question is.
But when it comes down to it, we've already heard that President Biden or, you know, whoever is actually running the office at the time would plan to veto it.
The question that comes in for a lot of people is what can Congress do to overcome that?
Okay, first of all, Jack, it's Quite a different thing.
It's one thing for the President of the United States to say, uh, I don't like it.
Uh, I would veto it.
It's quite another thing to actually veto it.
Just think this hypothetical through for a moment.
If Congress were able to get this passed and it arrived at his desk, you know, uh, months or, uh, perhaps, uh, uh, even weeks before a federal election, Is he really going to be prepared to veto that thing?
And what message does that send?
Moreover, when you look at the basis for his opposition to it, what he said day before yesterday, when he put out a statement, in essence, it boiled down to number one, it's already illegal to vote in federal elections if you're a non-citizen.
And number two, this would add excessively to delays.
That doesn't withstand review.
It doesn't withstand any kind of analysis.
In the first place, as to saying it's already illegal to vote.
By that same logic, there's no need for laws, I don't know, requiring a photo ID to buy beer and cigarettes to establish that you're not a minor, that you're not underage.
Nobody would defend that, and that's exactly the same argument, the same reasoning they're using here.
Next, he relies on the fact that, oh, it'd add To the administrative burdens, it'd be time-consuming.
Well, look, every single time you start a job, if you find new employment and you sign up as a new employee at a job, something that most Americans do from time to time, you have to fill out an I-9.
And in filling out the I-9, you have to establish that you are a U.S.
citizen.
And so if you have to do that for something like a job, you ought to also have to do that to register to vote in a federal election.
In fact, it's imperative here since we now have so many non-citizens in the country, including more illegal aliens than ever, who have entered just in the last three and a half years alone.
It should be imperative because otherwise you're diluting the votes of American citizens and you're disenfranchising them.
And this is exactly why we're saying that it would be an 80-20 issue.
And people can see that the citizens of New York City are running up to hotels and screaming that you're taking our jobs away.
This is not a popular policy.
There's no way that they could stand on any of these things.
That being said, Joe Biden is clearly not a popular president and someone who, as you say, Potentially would be looking at this as a huge egg on his face if he were to actually veto this thing when it comes up.
So I certainly hope now, obviously, being on the Senate side, do you think that it looks like there would be a possibility for it to pass the Senate?
OK, look, first, we got to get it past the House.
I believe that vote is still taking place sometime today.
Once it gets past the House, one of the first things that I'm going to do is try to figure out opportunities Get this teed up for a vote to try to pass it by unanimous consent, try to get it teed up by unanimous consent in the Senate.
And if somebody wants to object to it, I'd love to hear their reasons for why.
I'd love to have them stand before the American people on the Senate floor and explain, oh, no, we can't.
We can't pass this.
We can't even vote on it.
I'd love to hear their analysis.
I think saying that they would oppose it is one thing.
Actually doing it is quite another.
I also think once it passes the House, we ought to be looking for what other legislation we might be able to attach the SAVE Act to.
There are just a few must-pass vehicles, as we call them.
Bills that are likely to pass this year because we need to.
Things like a spending bill.
The current spending period runs out on September 30th.
I think we ought to look for opportunities to attach the SAVE Act to something like that.
Well, I think that's perfect, because we've seen time and time again where there are opportunities to attack that.
Look, we understand that federal spending is going to go through at some point, but the question is, are we going to use those federal spending packages to get what we want in there or not?
And this has been a huge criticism, I think, of a lot of people, certainly a lot of our comments when we get it in.
They say, you know, we're funding NATO, we're fully funding Ukraine, we're fully funding all these things over and around the world.
And we've got, obviously, the NATO Summit here in town right now.
I can't drive anywhere because it's completely under lockdown, like it was when Biden was inaugurated.
But at the same time, the question is, if we're putting all that funding out, why are we not doing any funding, number one, to just simply secure our elections?
That has no bearing on who wins the election, by the way.
It's just making sure that it's secure.
Though, obviously, I think we know it does have a little bit of bearing on who wins the election, because it does tilt the scales in one direction.
But also, that we're not even putting up stuff to defend our own borders.
That's exactly right, and you've got to remember, in the current Congress, Jack, you cannot pass any substantive legislation, any bill, without the Republican-controlled House of Representatives.
So if Republicans in the House said, we're not going to pass X, Y, or Z, unless the SAVE Act or something like it is attached, it would be the case.
Likewise with the Senate.
We are in the minority in the Senate, and yet in this Congress, You can't pass basically any substantive bill without, you know, at least 60 votes, which means that even if Democrats didn't like the idea, Republicans, if they held their ground, 41 Republicans, any 41 senators for that matter, but 41 is a number that is a subset of the 49 Republicans we've got in the Senate.
If 41 stood together and said, we're not going to pass A unless you attach B to it, we could make a difference.
And that's precisely right.
Now, if we can, I'd love to we've got a couple of minutes, four minutes before the break.
You know, we're seeing this this NATO summit right now.
Have you had the opportunity yet, Senator, to meet any of the delegates from NATO?
No, no, I haven't.
I did find it interesting last night, though, as President Biden walked onto that stage, he did make it successfully from the side of the stage to the podium.
So I thought that was a minor victory we should celebrate.
Absolutely.
We have to celebrate that at all times.
But we've seen the delegations running around.
And of course, we've got the clip here.
And of course, we've seen a lot of these calls for F-16s now that are going to be backfilled into Ukraine.
We're also hearing calls for more NATO munitions, etc.
to be sent.
But one of the real issues, and just two minutes till the break, that Ukraine has isn't necessarily from a technological standpoint.
It's actually from a manpower standpoint.
Yeah, their human resources pool has been dwindling.
They're using older and younger conscripts to fight their war.
And one of the problems that I've had with this effort and with our approach to funding this proxy war Uh, is that there has been no plan for peace.
There's been no reasonably achievable path toward peace.
It's been the focus of the aid that's been given to Ukraine.
And so what we've done is sort of feed the military-industrial complex of the United States under the guise of, gosh, this will be good for jobs in the U.S., while simultaneously contributing to the loss of life in Ukraine and simultaneously not having any clear path toward what we want to achieve and how to bring this thing to a close.
So it looks like we're funding what's designed to be perhaps a perpetual or a decade long proxy war against a nuclear power.
That's really dangerous.
And I think it's unwise.
And we used to understand this.
We used to understand that.
And this is why, and you know, we saw just a couple of weeks ago, Biden comes out and says U.S.
missiles will be authorized to strike within the Russian heartland in these border regions next to Ukraine.
And then, of course, what happens a week later, Russia sends nuclear-tipped subs right off of the coast of Florida.
I think people need to understand this isn't happening by accident.
They're sending a message and responding to actions that we are making.
Jack Masovic, Human Events Daily.
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Senator, we're talking about NATO.
I've just seen this report from Poland, Poland's new left-wing government, saying that their new army chief says that Poland must prepare the army for full-scale conflict.
Now, Poland, of course, is a NATO member.
Ukraine is not.
We're backfilling F-16s over.
It seems as though, you know, I've said this before and I said it yesterday, that it seems as though whether or not Ukraine goes into NATO, it seems that NATO is already inside Ukraine.
This is a risk of escalation that doesn't really seem to be taken into account when we hear these lofty statements about freedom and democracy and, you know, opposing autocracy from the NATO Summit itself.
Yeah, it's very risky, risky from multiple standpoints.
First, by funding the proxy war and allowing that war to be perpetuated longer than it might have otherwise been able to last.
We're increasing dramatically the likelihood of it spilling over into NATO ally territory.
And when that happens, of course, it triggers Article 5.
of the North Atlantic Treaty, obligating member states, including the United States, to protect those when they're involved in a war.
Then meanwhile, you've got people, including a number of my colleagues, Democrats and Republicans, openly calling on us to expand NATO, to either formally bring Ukraine into NATO or at a minimum pass legislation to treat to either formally bring Ukraine into NATO or at a minimum pass legislation to treat Ukraine as if it Let me explain why that is so supremely dangerous.
Because of the Article 5 obligation under the North Atlantic Treaty, and because Ukraine is already at war with Russia, that is tantamount to a declaration of war against Russia, a nuclear armed power.
This is incredibly dangerous.
Now, to be clear, Although some of my colleagues take a different approach, and they're mistaken on that, we still are required, anytime we go to war, we're supposed to declare war.
We're supposed to adopt legislation doing that.
Some of my colleagues take the position that Article 5 of NATO supersedes that and can circumvent that.
They're wrong.
But regardless, it could have the same effect for purposes of provocation of Russia.
If we were to either incorporate Ukraine into NATO or treat them as if they were a member state of NATO, that would be perceived by them as a declaration of war against Russia.
And that's just an incredibly dangerous, reckless thing to do.
And, you know, it's funny that you bring up Article 5 and not funny, but it's horrifying in some instances, if you're actually considering The implications of that, but I recall this was something that I recalled while watching the debate with Joe Biden and President Trump.
And of course, everyone's focused.
And I think rightly so, obviously, on the condition of Joe Biden as a commander in chief, because, again, as we're also talking about escalating this proxy war into a possible further expanded conflict with the Russian state.
This is the guy that we have running things, or perhaps it's the Commander-in-Chief with Dr. Jill.
I'm not sure.
Perhaps after 5 p.m.
she takes over.
But he himself, in the content of his speech, invoked Article 5 over and over and over in the debate, and I don't know if people really understood what it was that he was getting at, and it seemed to me like, in his mind, he was almost Teasing using Article 5 as a way to put pressure on Trump or something.
Why do you think he kept bringing it up like that?
Yeah, I think he wants to normalize the notion that Article 5 somehow authorizes or even obligates us to get into this war in earnest, rather than just as a proxy funder of the war.
And I think that too is incredibly disturbing.
Ukraine is not a NATO member state.
And remember, the whole point of NATO And the whole point of Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty is to provide something like an insurance policy.
It's analogous to an insurance policy.
It says, you know, we're going to band together for attack, we'll band together for purposes of defending each other.
But just as you don't issue an insurance policy on a house that's already on fire, you don't bring somebody into the North Atlantic Treaty who is already at war, especially at war with the country we're loathe to Go to war against because they're a nuclear armed power.
You don't do that.
Well, they're already at war with that nation, namely Russia.
Well, you know, Senator, it's also interesting because and we've got, you know, a book out now talking about history and we get into the interwar period, but we also talk about World War One.
And I point out that especially with World War One, one of the things that people always get into is, well, how is it that the assassination of the Archduke Franz Ferdinand, who is the heir to the Austro-Hungarian throne, triggers a world war.
And it's because of the alliances that it triggers and the system of military defense alliances.
And they say, oh, well, that's really interesting.
But nothing like that could ever certainly happen again.
And I say, isn't that exactly what we're talking about right now with NATO?
And it seems like nobody ever connects those dots.
Right.
And it becomes especially easy for that sort of thing to happen when you've got a large, not just a bilateral security agreement, not just a bilateral treaty.
It's a multi, multi, multilateral agreement in the North Atlantic Treaty.
And that's exactly how these things happen.
And these things are, in a sense, not new.
George Washington warned us against the entangling alliances that had so plagued the older nations of Europe for so many centuries.
He warned us against those things.
And so we should really Really be conscious of those today more than we have been now.
NATO was formed many decades ago for a purpose is a purpose different than what we've got today.
Doesn't mean necessarily that it's obsolete today, but I do think we got to have more conversations than we do today about whether it still makes sense in its current form.
Whether it still makes sense at all, but certainly about whether and to what extent we ought to be talking about adding an entity adding a member state like Ukraine that is so frequently at war that it's going to be very difficult to ensure, so to speak.
President John Quincy Adams as well, even echoing those statements, saying that, "...America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy.
She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all.
She is the champion and vindicator only of her own." And this really is the essence of what President Trump has spoken about, about changing to an America First foreign policy.
Isn't that right?
Yes, yes.
And I think that also bodes in favor of something like a reinvigorated modern Monroe Doctrine, something that focuses first and foremost on the most immediate potential threats to American national security.
We ought to be focused far more than we are on our own hemisphere, our own hemisphere, where communist China is making massive inroads throughout Latin America, Central and South America.
It's almost hard to identify a country these days that isn't increasingly entangled with China.
We ought to be focused far more on that than we are on seeking out these foreign excursions and military ventures, profitable as they may be for the military-industrial complex of the U.S.
Well, and Senator, I even saw a video last week that shows that some of the narco cartels are using the same type of drone technology that was utilized on the battlefield in Ukraine.
Now you've got those organizations using the same technology just south of the border.
I have a feeling that we're going to see it happening much closer to the border very soon, and yet our eye is all the way over on the other side of the world.
Without question.
I mean, those who aren't currently using them will certainly start adopting them more now that it's been viewable by people all over the world what they were able to do with that drone technology in the war in Ukraine.
Some of them, as you mentioned, have already been using it, you know, cartel to cartel violence.
It could get a lot worse and it's likely to at this point.
I think it will.
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Human Events Daily here, Washington, D.C., Look, folks, we have 117 days now to victory.
What are you doing to get ready?
Look, Steve Bannon said this from the very start, and he's back where he is right now because he had the courage to walk in.
So if he had the courage to walk in, then you can have the courage to text your friends.
You can have the courage to text your group chat, to text your family, or perhaps you can have the courage to sign up to actually chase ballots and bank ballots.
Caitlin Sinclair is the official spokeswoman for Turning Point Action, and she is joining us right now to tell us exactly how to do that.
Caitlin, how are you?
It's me here, Jack.
So just saw the new piece over on Newsweek that says young people are flocking to the Republican Party.
National Opinion Public Reference Survey, published by Pew, says that currently for voters under 30 are skewing Republican 47 to 46, and one of the first times they've ever seen this.
How can the movement capitalize on these recent gains?
Well, what we're doing at Turning Point Action just this week, Jack, we just announced our new coalition, which is our Gen Z coalition.
Really exciting news.
And this is all part of our Chase the Vote initiative.
So as we head into an election, Jack, where 41 million Gen Z Americans are eligible to vote, I believe this fight to win America back, this election cycle, actually starts with young people.
And of course, that's what we're focused on.
at Turning Point Action.
Now, this coalition, I'll tell your listeners a little bit about the three principles that it stands for, which is anti-war.
I know you'll like that.
So it's anti-war, affordable housing and living, and then restoring American values for the next generation.
So when we think or talk about Generation Z or even the millennial generation, The America we grew up in, it no longer exists for the folks coming in behind us, the generation coming in right under us.
This generation, the Gen Zers, grew up in this post 9-11 America where they get to hear stories about how great this country used to be.
They get to hear stories about how we all came together as patriots and about love of country before this country went into overspending and Endless wars.
And they have not got to benefit off of the amazing morals and values that this country was founded on.
So we're fighting that.
We're having the messaging.
We're having these conversations.
And this coalition, Jack Stantz, we're bringing back these core principles that the United States was founded on and great American exceptionalism.
Look, this is so important that people have to understand that for Gen Z, 9-11 is something they read about in a history book or something that their parents told them to.
By the way, I've, you know, and I know you're a New Yorker, and I've had that conversation with my little boy, and he's only six, and, you know, explaining to him this is what the Twin Towers were, and he's been in New York, and I've shown him like the Um, you know, the, um, the ground zero and the memorials, but to him, it's a story about something that happened and I've shown him pictures, but he doesn't have that direct connection to what the country used to be.
So this is huge for turning point action.
Take all of this sentiment that's out there.
Because we keep seeing this in poll after poll, where people are saying, hey, we like Donald Trump, we like these policies, we support this stuff, but there are people who, by and large, don't have a history of voting.
That's where Turning Point Action can come in.
Exactly, right?
So it's all about the low propensity voters.
And when you look at some of these polls, the percentage of low propensity voters is actually most likely to support Donald Trump.
So what does that mean?
That means we have to encourage those folks to get out and vote because they're actually Donald Trump supporters.
They've maybe been disenfranchised or don't have faith in the election system anymore.
And that's exactly what these coalitions are about.
That's exactly what we're about in Turning Point Action.
Registering new voters, recruiting activists, And then make sure we're chasing those ballots.
And it all starts with just having these simple conversations.
And you're right.
I don't think people are sitting back anymore.
You and I were just at the People's Convention, the amazing event that Turning Point Action put on.
And I think the messaging out of that, Jack, was the days of spectator politics.
is long over right those days are long behind us and the young people this gen z generation again 41 million gen z americans eligible to vote this election cycle and they want to be involved they want to have a voice and they're doing something about it so you can go to coalitions.com to find out more about these coalitions it's not just a gen z coalition we have a mom's coalition a faith coalition a black america's coalition farmers coalition so there's really something for everyone over at tpn
Look, folks, it's incumbent upon us now.
117 days left.
And this is something that one of the last conversations I had with Steve Bannon before he went to where he is now, he said, what are you doing to get in the fight?
He said, you want to write letters to me?
Don't write letters to me.
Reach out to people in the swing states.
And so, Caitlin, as an example of that, so what states is TP Action currently focused on?
We're mainly focused on Wisconsin and Arizona right now, hiring full time, but we're expanding into Michigan and really there's again, there's somewhere for everyone.
There's something for everyone everywhere.
So if that includes postcards, phone calls, Just sign up, have these conversations.
You can have a movie night, host a barbecue.
I don't know.
Start the conversations with your neighbors and in your community.
So there's ways to get involved across the board.
We're focused on those few states for now, but you can go to our app, which is just tpaction or turningpoint.com to find out how you can get involved.
Look, ladies and gentlemen, if you're not in the house, you don't have the ability to pass the SAVE Act.
You may not have the ability to start, you know, Truth Social or buy Twitter and turn it into X like Elon Musk did.
You may not be someone who's a major donor.
Now, if you are, by the way, please get in touch.
But, you know, if you... Same, same.
Yeah, I know, right?
But at the same time, you've got to get up.
Caitlin, before I let you go, so am I going to see you up in Wisconsin, Milwaukee?
Absolutely, I'll be there.
And I want to say one thing.
I like what you're alluding to because you're right.
This is the time to get involved now.
Jack, we talk about all the time these Twitter wars, the social media frenzies, these millennials and Gen Zers sitting in their parents' basement playing video games.
Tweeting out, complaining about inflation, complaining that they don't like the president.
Here in New York, females complaining that women are getting punched in the face.
Okay, do something about it, right?
Charlie Kerr put this beautifully at the People's Convention.
We cannot just count on Donald Trump to save us.
We need to save him first.
And that includes getting involved, and that time is now.
Kaitlin Sinclair, where can people go to follow you?
Just at Kaitlin Sinclair.
My name's right below.
And then on Twitter, CSinclairTV.
See?
SinclairTV.
Give her a follow, folks.
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