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Welcome, welcome here.
Here we are, Detroit, Michigan, for once of our very rare, very rare in-person ThoughtCrime episodes.
It is ThoughtCrime Thursday.
Jack Posobiec, I'm here.
Charlie Kirk is currently wrapping up a few assignments for the People's Convention around the building, though we are on site, and his arrival is imminent.
Joining me are Blake Neff.
Howdy, Jack.
And Tyler Boyer.
Poso, what's up?
Tyler, so maybe you can explain.
Why are we in Detroit?
Because Detroit's arguably one of the most important places that we need to win.
Explain.
Well, I mean, we've gone through this so much on Charlie's show, and on your show, and everything else.
There's six states that we've known coming into this election that will ultimately decide who becomes president.
Statistically, Arizona, Wisconsin, we've landed on statistically are the most important.
Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan are all right there.
Michigan has been elusive for conservatives because it has some of the worst election laws in the country.
However, recent polling has shown that people are pretty pissed off here.
And for that reason, and we can see the slide that's happening with the Democrat Party, especially the African American community and the black community, this is an important place.
And so the Republican Party has really done not enough, not nearly enough in Michigan.
So we looked at this and said, Georgia's looking like it's shaping up in our column.
The RNC convention is going to be in Wisconsin.
Obviously, we're doing everything that we're doing in Arizona.
So what's left?
Arizona and Michigan.
Saw that poll yesterday, by the way, AARP.
How much stock do you give that 10 points up for Trump in Arizona?
Well, look, they were saying the same thing about Kerry Lake, so we know this, is that the election manipulation schemes that the Democrats run, I believe, and I think a lot of people have landed on, you're right in that 7-8% that they have the ability.
So, a 10 point poll means you're really up, if they're manipulating in full force, you're up maybe 2 points.
That's not enough to feel comfortable winning, that's in the margin of error, right?
This is where we have to look at.
I'm not comfortable until we get to like polls that are like 12, 13, 14 points where I know when we know Democrats are fighting as hard as they are funding tens of millions of dollars in that state.
Blake, what do you have here?
I'm not.
I'm not.
I'll show it to you in a sec.
I'm not comfortable until that kind of like dorky guy in MSNBC who does their election maps.
Oh, what's his name?
Until we get reports that he's been seen throwing himself out of a window.
He looks like he belongs in a McDonald's playbook.
I think it's Kronacki.
Maybe it could be, yeah.
Yeah, that's it.
The map I have here is...
Yes, Steve Kronacki.
I was thinking about why we're in Detroit specifically.
And what I do like to point out to people is there is this sort of narrative with 2020 that we lost because they had a ton of ballots come out in these big cities.
But actually, it wasn't like that in Michigan or even in Pennsylvania.
If you look at the county by county results and how they changed from 2016 to 2020, Wayne County, which is where Detroit is, it was one point more Democrat than 2016, which was basically nothing compared to, you know, the overall shifts.
All the other counties in Michigan, Macomb County, Oakland County, Livingston County, Washtenaw County, which is where Ann Arbor is, they all swerved a lot more.
And so you could kind of see in Wayne County, in Philadelphia, where you have the building blocks of what we're hopefully seeing now, which is where you have nonwhite voters, younger voters, Well, that's the game plan.
So that's how the left works, right?
Being much more open to voting for Trump than they've ever been in the past and for Republicans generally.
Well, and that's but that's the game plan.
So that's how the left works.
Right.
So the left operates looking at where their targets are.
So, you know, they they've already maxed out the amount of.
Come on.
You're taking over for me.
Save him.
Yeah, we're just going to change the camp.
I'm going to finish this thought and I'm actually going to... Charlie, fight him for it.
The Democrats have tapped themselves out in most of these deep blue areas, but you have these other deep blue areas in places like Grand Rapids, for example.
And that's where they haven't excavated enough votes.
And so that's where you see a lot of places outside of Wayne County.
And the same goes for all the other states, right?
They're finding the deep blue pockets, whether it's the colleges and universities, whether it's extrapolating out as many of those votes as they can from the senior communities.
They're doing that all across the rest of the state.
And that's why you saw that shift really outside nothing.
There was really no change in Wayne, right?
Because they already had taken – they moved out beyond Wayne in 2020, and they had to do that.
And they will continue to do that.
Now they're in the position where they're like, oh, now we've got to replicate what we did moving outside of Wayne in 2020.
And with that, we welcome in Charlie.
All right.
Well, let's – what we'll do is while you guys are switching out, I think we have a – we have the promos.
We can run 112, 113.
So let's run those promos real quick, and Charlie's going to get situated.
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All right, are we live now?
Yes, we are.
Hello, everyone.
How are we doing?
Live and in person.
We are here.
Sorry I'm late.
I got caught up at the Blexit thing.
It's amazing.
It's like 800 people there.
It's incredible.
Chexit from Blexit?
Yeah, that's exactly right.
I had to do a CK exit from Blexit.
We're just going to keep going past that one.
We're not going to... Oh, is that right?
We don't need to acknowledge that.
You know, we're almost in Canada.
I've been looking at Canada all day.
I keep catching glimpses of Canada across the river.
I think the whole thing is like a big PSYOP, which is they're flying that Canadian flag.
It's like, are they proud to be Canadian?
It's a giant pride flag.
Are you referring to the giant pride flag that we saw in the convention center?
No, exactly.
That's why the Canadian flag outside of the convention center.
So you know what's really weird, actually, being in Detroit, is that's actually south.
So you're in Detroit and you're going south into Canada.
I have a very good sense of direction.
Detroit challenges that.
Detroit messes you up so bad.
Because you're kind of like sloped up against the Detroit River, right?
Is that what it's called?
Yes.
The Detroit River.
And it's international boundary waters or something.
That's technically like half of it's in America, half of it's not.
So, anyway, honored to be here, guys.
What's on the docket tonight?
Well, we were just kind of going through and we're talking about why, and Tyler was giving us the rundown, why Detroit?
You know, it's like, Tyler, what are we doing in Detroit?
So he was giving us the rundown from that perspective of This is a Rust Belt swing state.
It's a state that, if we can pick up Michigan, that requires the Democrats to have to put funding all over the place in areas that they wish they wouldn't have to.
And it currently looks like, although day-to-day there might be some shakeups, it does look like it might be the best Rust Belt pickup for us.
I'm not sure about that.
I think Pennsylvania right now is, but, I mean, Jack, you could speak about that probably better than I, being a Pennsylvanian.
See, the reason I always discount Pennsylvania is because I'm so biased on it, so my bias is that we're not.
You're black-pilled on it, yeah.
Well, it's not that I'm black-pilled, it's that I won't allow myself to have any hope for it.
- It's like me with Arizona, meaning like, I won't receive the exes.
- Yeah, I won't accept it.
I won't receive it. - I totally, I totally, and there's a poll that says Trump's up eight.
He's not up eight.
- That's me in Pennsylvania.
- Yeah, so I totally get it.
I'm actually more bullish on Pennsylvania.
- And I'll be there every single day of the election.
- What I will, yeah, I love that.
What I will say about the blue wall strategy is you need to compete in all three.
You have to make all three close or else you allow Joe Biden to have way too much reason to allow you know which one that you like the best.
You have to keep the other campaign guessing and you don't know actually.
For example, micro issues could end up making Michigan the best of the three states because of the Muslim Dearborn thing.
And Cornel West having that Abdullah.
Is that her name?
Abdullah.
And then Jill Stein was going to appoint the Dearborn, Michigan mayor as her vice president and RFK.
We don't know what RFK ends up doing in Michigan.
We have no idea.
So Michigan's a goofy state as it is.
It's very corrupt.
And so we don't exactly know what that's going to look like.
Pennsylvania, structurally, from a voter registration standpoint, looks out of the best out of the three.
However, I will say, though, out of the three, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, the polling is the worst or the toughest, but it is the hardest.
It's the hardest to cheat of the three.
It has 118 counties, and Trump overperforms Wisconsin polling the most of any polling.
With Wisconsin, each of them, like you say, has a different thing.
I'd say with Pennsylvania, what you have is, like, rural Pennsylvania, it's, like, the reddest area of any of these states.
It's Alabama.
Yeah, you have Pennsylvania.
We call it Pennsylvania, as they call it.
Yeah, for sure.
Michigan, you have those factors you just brought up.
With Wisconsin, you have it's hard to poll.
It's the most rural of those states.
It has the most, like, rural white voters.
It has the most midtowns, you know, meaning, like, they're middle-sized towns.
Yeah, and relatively rural.
I think it has the lowest college graduation rate of those three states, so you have more non-college voters, which we've done pretty well with. - Yeah.
And as you say, we've overperformed in it multiple times, and it's the only one that's not Democrat-dominated right now.
And to the RNC's great credit, they're doing the convention exactly where they should be doing it, in Milwaukee.
And interestingly, my theory is the Democrats are doing their convention in Chicago because they wish they could have done it in Milwaukee and it has overflow media effect.
Very because meaning like they believe that the Midwest is so important.
They said, I'll just put it in Chicago because you get mid and they're kind of right.
But I mean, if I was the Democrats, they picture, they always try to make a state.
You think they should super weird or something.
I think there's a J.D. Pritzker elements of this, too, where or why don't they do it in Detroit or why don't they or try to be aggressive and put it in Phoenix.
And if they would have done it in Phoenix, that would have I mean, the weather is a little bit prohibitive.
Yeah, true.
Phoenix.
I mean, but that would have been really ballsy.
But as far as I just have to give the team credit, because I pushed the team really hard.
I kind of blew blew up the plan.
The plan was to do some ball beach.
Yeah.
So we actually have a down payment in Palm Beach that we are parlaying with a Believer Summit coming up in July.
So we have a whole nother event coming up.
I never.
Yeah, I've been meaning to get this story out of you because it's usually the summer event.
Is it down in Florida?
Because I mean, look, we had a great event last summer, but let's be honest, we outgrew that space.
A little bit.
Just a little bit.
We outgrew that space.
And it's not a one metal detector they let us have.
The TSA guy that was examining your phone.
So this was this day when the Secret Service gave us, what, three magnetometers?
Not even.
Andrew's here.
Andrew, how many was it?
Two.
Was it two magnetometers at Atcon in Palm Beach last year?
Two or three.
That was a human rights issue.
It was a human rights violation.
It was.
People are out there.
Charlie goes out, basically as he's dressed now, in full suit, sweating profusely, handing water bottles out, and shook every single hand.
I had moved to Phoenix about two months before that event.
Oh yeah, I was mad.
I moved to Phoenix two months before that event, and then we come out to Palm Beach for that.
But you see, you were a newbie.
I was a newbie to Phoenix.
I was walking around.
I was getting used to the Phoenix seat.
I come out to Palm Beach, and I had to walk, like, a mile from where we were at the airport or whatever to the hotel, and I'm just like, this is a million times worse than... Oh, I agree.
And by the way, they were in a parking garage.
The Secret Service was awful, and we know about that.
Anyway, so we were supposed to do it in Palm Beach.
We had this down payment.
So you literally went as far away from the heat as you could.
Oh yeah.
But just to be clear, we wanted to go to Atlanta.
So the original plan was, this all happened in August, September of last year.
Because we were looking at the schedule.
We said, Palm Beach, that's just going to be underwhelming.
Who's going to want to come to that?
Let's go to where it really matters, where we can draw a local audience, local media attention.
Because we saw the map kind of...
come together.
She said, okay, let's first Atlanta, 'cause Georgia, obviously a flip.
- Sure. - No availability.
In fact, they said, you have to book things three to four years out.
- Wow. - I said, okay, let's go to Pennsylvania.
Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, no availability.
And so how about North Carolina?
'Cause it's kind of a swing state.
And they said, ah, Charlotte, no availability.
And so all of a sudden we were like, are we gonna find a space?
Because that was a whole other thing.
And so just by an act of God, we said, what about Detroit?
So Lauren and the events team, the best events team in the country.
I mean, they're unbelievable.
And they went on a crazy, they spent like three full days calling every major convention center in what the states, the parameters, from Des Moines to Columbus, Ohio, to Cleveland, to Detroit, Grand Rapids, Kalamazoo, and the only space that had an opening of all of them.
In the parameters we said, because we wanted to do it before the RNC, we wanted to do it in June, was Detroit.
And we said, are we crazy enough to do an event in Detroit?
We have, like, no full-time staff in Michigan.
It's Detroit, right?
It's like Democrat stronghold.
And I was like, oh yeah, Detroit's amazing.
It worked out perfectly.
Timing worked out, unfortunately.
And glory be to God, I wanted this, and this was before October 7th.
So this was before the Israel thing, which has materialized in the unaffiliated Muslim vote here in Michigan, which puts even more in play for Trump, right?
The tragedy of October 7th, which has been a political nightmare for Democrats, before the uncommitted type movement.
And so as the months have gone by, the more promising Michigan polls were like, yo, we're hosting Like, in the middle of the battleground state, in like the central nervous system of the Democrat Party.
And we, by the way, we have confirmation.
Three things have happened in this convention center.
Do you know what they are?
This is where they counted ballots in 2020.
Wait, wait, wait.
Wasn't Detroit where they were covering up the windows and we're in the building?
Yes.
We're in the building.
We're on rumble, right?
We're on rumble.
Where the steal took place.
This is the scene of the crime, man.
We're at the scene of the crime.
Charlie Kirk.
Look up Huntington Convention Center 2020 election.
This is literally where all the press was.
This is where they were, like, not allowing people in.
This is it.
Yeah, because I know in Philadelphia, it was, yeah, right there, 2020.
Unbelievable.
So that's number one.
Number two, and this is even more telling and more powerful, in the last couple of weeks, both Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have visited this convention center.
They've both made independent visits to Michigan.
That tells us their internal polling shows that Michigan's collapsing.
And so we're right where we need to be.
Praise God.
The numbers are amazing.
And now we have Trump doing his first really big event after the law fair.
Yeah, and he did the Arizona one, but this one will be even bigger.
This one will be three times the size of it.
And so I told the team back in March, I said, if we get 3,000 people, I will be thrilled.
OK, so it wasn't called Huntington Place back then.
But it's the same location.
It's the same building.
Yes, it's the same location.
We have to find these... We have to, like, re-create this logo.
We have to find those windows.
That's such a poso thing, to, like, go and find it.
And so... I will.
So this location is kind of the place to be at.
I gotta give the Convention Center credit.
There's been plenty of hurdles and bumps.
They could have cancelled this event, and they didn't, and they deserve a lot of credit for that.
I mean, they still can, but it's happening tomorrow, so I don't think they will.
But, yeah, no, we're in the belly of the beast.
We said we'd be happy with 3,000 people.
We might actually have triple that, right near 10,000.
We're, like, scratching the surface on 10,000.
Again, the numbers come in by the hour.
We're not yet at 10,000.
We're almost right there, which is an unbelievable show of force.
And we know some of you guys live in Michigan.
Yes.
You can still come.
Or if you live, Ohio's very close than driving distance.
I know people, Charlie, I know people who are driving from Indiana.
I know people who are driving from Nebraska to be here.
People who are obviously all over Ohio driving to be here.
And millions will be watching online.
Citizens Free Press.
Yeah, and so understand that the naming the People's Convention was done while Rana was still chairman.
And so the other thought was like, hey, we might have to put on our own RNC because the RNC in Milwaukee might be lackluster.
Now it actually ended up being like a super compliment where the RNC's in Milwaukee and we're in Detroit.
I mean, if you were from a 30,000 foot view, who's doing the summer better from an event standpoint, the Democrats or Trump?
Like we're doing it way better than No, it makes sense because they don't have an equivalent at all anyway.
Yeah, because now you've got your balance out.
Obviously, we're all targeting the Midwest and we're targeting the Rust Belt.
Yes, but we're strategically targeting the Rust Belt, whereas they're in Chicago, which is not an area where they need at all.
There's also, to me, something very funny about it, where obviously the party convention is your biggest show of the summer for each party, and it's like, novel idea!
Let's do another convention!
People at conventions, get all the speakers out again!
And it's also, we wanted to do it the Turning Point way, and the name is aptly put, because, I mean, you'll be, you guys will both be in Milwaukee, and we'll get you guys tickets, but it's very hard for the commoner to be able to get tickets to the convention.
So the idea was, how do we Do an event for the everyday person, the citizen, that they otherwise would not be able to have access to.
And that's why we call it the People's Convention.
And we put together an amazing, and I will give president, this is the most President Trump story ever, which I had a scheduling request in and they were busy.
I call it President Trump.
He confirmed this event within 20 seconds.
And by the way, his birthday's tomorrow.
He's like, my birthday weekend, Detroit.
Hey, hey, tell him I'm doing Charlie's thing at Detroit.
It was within 20 seconds.
His instincts were like, we're going to take Michigan.
And by the way, he said, without them cheating, I win Michigan by 10.
But I have to be there.
Show of force.
And his team called me back and they're like, wait, you're doing an event in downtown Detroit?
Fuck yeah, man.
They're like, what?
You're in downtown Detroit?
I just love it.
He visited Congress today, remember, and he met Glenn Youngkin.
And apparently what he was talking about with Glenn Youngkin was, of course, he's like, you know, we're going to win Virginia and all that.
And, you know, it's a long shot.
But as we've said before, I love how he basically sees every state.
Why wouldn't I win every state?
Yeah.
Part of my time when I spend with him is he's talking about New Jersey, New York, Washington, Oregon.
And I love that kind of optimism.
It's our job to make sure the resources go to the right spot, but him thinking he can win anywhere is why he's Donald Trump.
It's why he's who he is.
There is a deep connection, though, between President Trump and the state of Michigan, because as longtime Trump supporters and followers would know, and I know Charlie knows this stuff, but Charlie, where was the final rally held in the 2016 election?
Grand Rapids.
And 2020.
I was at the Grand Rapids one.
That was the one where certain people on the media said he's gonna win.
Wasn't that the one where he didn't even start until actually it was election day?
That was the one.
Like it was kind of illegal.
If you could get B-roll from that.
One second, Blake.
That was the one where certain people on the media said he's going to win.
That was the one where the people that were in the traveling crew, because I was at the New Hampshire one too, and that's where Bill Belichick endorsed Donald Trump.
I remember that.
At the New Hampshire event.
Yeah, it was like the last... That was the last one in the Northeast.
Then Trump gets on, uh, Trump Force One, and literally, I think it was Grand Rapids or Kalamazoo, I think it was Grand Rapids, the line was, like, wrapped around till, like, literally 1.30 in the morning.
And nobody left.
Nobody left.
Nobody left.
And... Because he was, like, way beyond the time.
So, Trump is somewhat superstitious, I don't know if you know that.
He went back and did Grand Rapids again in 2020.
Well, that's what I'm saying.
As the final rally.
So for him, when he hears Michigan... Which I think is a strategically bad idea.
What I pitched to the Trump campaign, and I have a list of things to go over with them, I pull them aside and I say, guys, you need to allow time zones to work in your favor.
Your last rally should be in Vegas, your second to last should be in Phoenix, and you should move east to west on the night before the election, so you can keep on maximizing rally time.
Because as you fly westward, you gain time.
Especially in as big of a plane they have.
Hold on, hear me out.
They should start in Florida, go to Philadelphia, do a rally in Michigan, then do a rally in Phoenix, and then close the night out in Vegas.
Well, the difference is that Vegas and Phoenix didn't used to be quite as important as they are now.
But in 2020, they didn't think they could win Nevada.
In 2020, no one was able to swallow the pill.
And I know this, because I was in the White House when I told Jared about it.
that all of a sudden Georgia and Arizona could be flipped.
I remember I was in the hall of the White House on election night and I saw Jared as we were going to the bathroom.
He was in a different room than I was in.
I was like, I don't think we're gonna win Georgia.
He's like, yeah, no way.
He's like, Georgia?
I was like, yeah, look, I'm not an expert, but the New York Times forecast is a 53% chance that Biden's gonna win Georgia.
Like, I think they've been tipped off.
And he's like, I'll get back to you.
And I'll never, like, the idea of us losing Georgia was so foreign to the campaign.
This is before the pipe burst.
Before Fulton County.
We didn't have much of an operation there.
Now we're all in on Georgia.
And I remember Tyler, even a week up from the election, he's like, yeah, I know the polls look bad in Arizona.
He's like, I can't believe the idea that, like, Trump would lose Arizona.
And so... It was unthinkable.
And then it became the first... Now it's been tattooed into my soul to avenge this.
I mean, it is like a heat-seeking... It's like, it's our Rana times a thousand.
Like, it's a heat-seeking missile.
I wanted to shout out... I'm sorry, Blake.
I just wanted to shout out Lycee Lee in our comments.
We mentioned people could drive here from, you know...
Ohio, elsewhere in Michigan, from Nebraska.
Lycee Lee.
They had a flight issue and she says they are driving up from Florida for this event.
No.
Tell them that we'll give them free VIP tickets.
Alright, we should... Can you communicate with them?
I'll see what we can do.
It's Lycee Lee if you can find her.
By the way, I drive the events team nuts with my promises.
I throw out promises like frisbees.
I start CCing people.
What's that?
Email freedom at charliekirk.com.
Alright, yeah.
Lycee Lee, email freedom at charliekirk.com.
We hawk that email.
So, but yeah, no, praise God, we're right where we need to be.
The team has done unbelievable.
I just, I want to, again, I feel like I'm bragging on the team.
In the last week, we host Trump in Arizona, we do YWLS, we do Blacks at CLS, and that's insane.
It really is one of the most remarkable political accomplishments of event production in conservative movement history.
I heard a lot of the events team didn't even... They went from San Antonio.
Yeah, they went straight from San Antonio.
They haven't been home in two years.
Mikey's wife...
Yeah.
She already has VIP tickets.
Alright, well I'll give her a signed copy of my book.
She already has VIP tickets.
Based.
Oh yeah, that's right.
Lauren and her layover to Detroit did a layover in Milwaukee and then did a site visit for the RNC because we have this huge presence, we're doing it at the RNC huge.
And then she came over from Milwaukee to Detroit, so.
But yeah, the team, literally, Mikey's wife, Elizabeth, he hasn't seen her for two weeks, literally.
He went from San Antonio to Detroit.
Now did Lawrence see how horrible Milwaukee was?
Was it horrible when she was there?
So fill me in, I didn't see the news today.
Wasn't Trump talking about the crime?
Yeah, so there's...
To be clear, it's actually a nice city.
It's actually not as bad as... because I know bad.
Downtown Detroit is nice too.
Downtown Chicago is nice.
They poured a lot of money into this city.
But it's very clear to me...
We've seen this happen with President Trump how many times over the years where there'll be something he says.
Some hoax.
When he gets into it, well, I'll put it this way, when he gets into a flow, right, he's in a flow, he's doing a riff, he's explaining something and he can shift and parry and thrust and go in different directions all the time.
So somehow the topic of Milwaukee gets up and we don't have a recording of this.
We only have like secondhand reports and that's what makes it worse.
That punch bowl put out that Trump says Milwaukee is a horrible city.
And then this becomes the headline.
The entire mainstream media runs with this everywhere.
If you type Trump Milwaukee, you'll get Trump says Milwaukee is horrible.
Trump says Milwaukee is horrible.
And then Trump goes and is being interviewed by, um, uh, how do you say her name?
Asa Hashmi on, on Fox.
They're, they're a congressional correspondent.
Capitol Hill correspondent.
She's actually pretty good.
No, no, no.
She's fine.
Yes, she asked him, and he said, well, yeah, I was referring to the crime in the state of the city as it's been.
I'm not saying the city itself is bad, I'm saying crime is bad.
And he's obviously said the same thing about New York City, his own city, many, many times.
But of course, it's one of those classic, oh, you know, Trump said whatever.
So they're clearly trying to knock him out.
I mean, put it this way, though, Charlie, everyone is talking about the cities, they're talking about the Midwest, they're talking about All of these conventions that are going on, they're putting the onus on you for turning point action.
They're putting the onus on Trump for Milwaukee.
Nobody's talking about the Democrats in Chicago because everyone knows.
And the dirty little thing they're trying to worry about, Blake, is they don't want a repeat of Chicago 1968.
Yeah.
By the way, I looked it up and Milwaukee has a higher murder rate than Chicago.
Boom.
Boom!
As of whatever the latest stats are on Wikipedia or whatever, but it's 19.83 per 100,000, which is a bit above Chicago.
Yeah, you know, I'll be honest, I just, I think Milwaukee's a really decent city.
And so, Andrew asks, which blue wall state is most likely to go for Trump?
Let's debate this.
I'll be honest, Jack, if I were a betting man, if I were to say, hey, Trump wins, what is the math?
I think the map is Trump flips Georgia, flips Arizona, wins Pennsylvania.
I can't, I can't, I can't accept it.
I can't accept it, Charlie.
I have, I, let me tell you the data, though.
What just happened here?
Uh-oh.
Something just, did we, did we lose the whole feed?
I might have kicked something.
Can we get a ground?
Are we still live, Charlie?
Are they still hearing us?
I hope so.
That could have just been for the headphones.
It was so great, we had this great show.
Crap!
Oh, they can still hear us though.
They can still hear us?
Alright, well let's fix that.
I like hearing myself.
We'll have Tyler... I'm an old radio guy at my court.
People think Tyler's hiding under the table, so we'll blame Tyler for that one.
So let me tell you the data, okay Jack?
Pennsylvania, the voter registration, motor voter has backfired on them.
Well it's not just motor voter, it's this universal motor voter switch that Josh Shapiro, the village idiot who is acting as our governor, and Al Schmidt, the traitor, the absolute turncoat traitor who I and many others helped get elected in Philadelphia many moons ago as a Republican city commissioner, is now acting as the Pennsylvania Secretary of State.
Much better.
Josh Shapiro, the village.
Much better.
Thank you, Terrell.
And so they instituted this new rule change where you can't opt out of motor voters.
So motor voters, when you go to get your license registered or renewed, that you get registered to vote.
And apparently you can opt out of it.
It's just like somebody was telling me back home that it's really deep in the system and like the touchscreens, like you can't find it.
But the problem is though, in 67 of the 67 counties of Pennsylvania.
So that's not just the pencil tucky dynamic.
We were just talking about 67 out.
So 100% of counties, people are picking art, breaking red.
And people are saying art.
Now, the problem though, that this creates is that By dint of what we just explained, those are people who don't vote.
Low-profs people out there.
That's where universal mail-in voting could potentially help us.
Potentially.
Of the three, though, Trump has this... The way I'm looking at this election is based on Sunbelt polling of North Carolina, Florida's its own animal, Georgia, and Arizona.
There is a built-in two-and-a-half to three-point polling advantage that Trump has just because Biden sucks in inflation.
That's what we see.
It's just kind of this little lift, as we could call it.
Would you say that's fair, Blake?
I think so, yeah.
We see that in Georgia, Arizona.
Things cost a lot to have a Lyft.
So if we apply that logic to a lesser extent to Pennsylvania.
In addition, Trump has a love affair with the working class in Western Pennsylvania.
Right, Jack?
He does not have that fracking country, baby.
It's not just that, though.
It's the former industrial steel town.
He has that bravado they love.
And there's one city that will determine the future of Pennsylvania.
What do you think I'm going to say?
Uh, Braddock or Bradford?
Erie, Pennsylvania.
Erie, Pennsylvania.
Not too far away.
Democrat stronghold.
On the other side of the lake right now.
Democrat stronghold.
Trump won Erie County in 2016.
I don't think he won it in 2020 though.
Now remember, uh, the, uh, Joe Biden did the whole Scranton Joe thing.
They have a lot of that.
That is, that song has played.
And it is over.
Can you see who won Erie, Pennsylvania in 2020?
I'm curious.
I think you're right that it flipped.
I think it flipped.
There were a lot of those.
Luzerne is usually like the bellwether county.
That's right.
And Bucks County and all those.
But Erie, Pennsylvania is the... By the way, we're not far from Erie, Pennsylvania at all right now.
We're right across the lake.
It's directly across.
So we're at one end of Lake Erie.
That's the other.
So it goes...
Sandusky, Cleveland, well, Toledo, Sandusky, Cleveland, then Erie, then Buffalo.
Erie County went for Biden by about 1,200 votes.
Okay, so you've proved my point.
So, if Trump wins Erie County, that's not enough to... How much did Trump fall short of in the state of Pennsylvania?
He fell short of it... 80,000 votes, is that it?
Are you kidding me?
Yeah, 80,000.
Oh, that's nothing!
So, I mean, that right there, percentage-wise, is actually better than Michigan, if I'm not mistaken.
Michigan was the worst of the three blue wall states for Trump in 2020, if I'm not mistaken.
It could be.
Michigan is just so hard to predict.
I can definitely see the path where it's the breaking point state, just because, as we've said, not just that, you know, Arab Americans, Muslim Americans, there's more of them and they're angry, but just They're angry, and there's so many candidates that are specifically playing to them.
Bingo.
It's that, like, three different third-party candidates have decided to make Michigan the state where they're going to try to make a big splash.
Cornel West being one of them.
Cornel West, Jill Stein's doing it.
And she's on the ballot.
I'm sure RFK will go for it, too.
So I just want to remind people that, again, I'm not saying Trump's going to win.
I give him a 50-50 shot.
But in 2020, there were no other candidates on the ballot.
Trump does better when the options are expanded.
He does worse when it's binary.
And even with the worst being binary, he only fell 41,000 votes short.
So I'm not, I'm not guaranteeing victory.
More options.
I think there were Libertarians in 2019.
No, there was not.
More options and also just... Your fact check manager, Jack, you know, I'm sorry to interrupt.
You know why?
Because of COVID.
They sued him off the ballot.
Please continue.
So there's more options, and I think it has to be said, I think of the three elections, this is going to be the one with the lowest amount of Trump frenzy, for lack of a better term.
That you had people, especially in 2020, they went totally berserk, off the charts committed to getting Trump out.
That's why we have the FBI rigging things, you have big tech rigging things.
Well beyond anything they did with the ballots.
The stuff they did with our laws and institutions to get Trump out.
The frenzy.
They can't do it again.
And this went down to ordinary people, so this helped their voter turnout.
It's why people didn't vote for third parties.
Whereas in 2016, you had a lot of people say, I don't care if Trump wins, I'm mad at Hillary over what they did to Bernie, I'm going to vote for Gary Johnson or Jill Stein or I'm not going to vote at all.
Now, we're all the way back around to this again.
So guess how many votes Joe Jorgensen got, the Libertarian candidate got in, guess how many votes she got in Pennsylvania?
How many?
80,000.
On the ballot?
Or writing?
Either or, but I'm telling you, that's your delta right there.
80,000.
Yeah, I mean, according to Politico, I don't think they made the ballot though.
Unless they just decided to report them.
I think it was, we kept the greens, maybe they kept the greens off the ballot.
I don't see him on the ballot.
Definitely in Pennsylvania they cut them off.
That was one of the scummy things.
I'm looking at it now.
They're not on the ballot.
No, that's what I'm saying.
A lot of them don't include that.
No, it was the Greens were not on the ballot.
Okay.
Yeah, so the Greens were, so you're right on that one.
That was, was it Stein?
I don't think it was Stein.
No, Howie Hawkins.
Yeah, this is an example of where their lawfare was better.
Democrats were better at keeping Greens off the ballot.
So, a very funny thing is, historically, of course, Republican voters are more likely to vote for Libertarians, and Democrats are more likely to vote for Greens.
So, the opposing parties are the best legal support those parties have.
And so, traditionally, Republicans try to do stuff to keep the Libertarians off the ballot because they worry about losing votes.
Democrats try to keep Greens off the ballot.
And in 2020, there was a particularly bad divergence in terms of Democrats successfully keeping the Greens off the ballot, which they did in Pennsylvania.
It was extremely shady what they did, extremely underhanded.
And Wisconsin.
And Wisconsin, yeah.
Were they in Michigan?
They were in Michigan.
But look at this.
They kept them off the ballot.
The Delta in Wisconsin between Trump and Biden was 20,000 ballots.
I'm going to say ballots.
The Libertarian got 38,000.
But was Green on the ballot?
Nope.
Yeah, that's the point.
And there you go.
And let me pull up Michigan.
But Green or Cornel West.
There was no Cornel West equivalent.
Here's the thing.
Michigan they were on the ballot.
In Michigan they were on the ballot?
Yep.
So this time you have RFK, you have Cornel West, you have Jill Stein, and you have the gay race communist Libertarian who is Potentially a protest vote.
Charlie, there's one more state like that.
Arizona.
Arizona.
You can tell from the face.
We are aware.
We are aware.
And yeah, the 10,000 Delta in Arizona, 51,000 for the Libertarian, green, not on the ballot.
Yeah, that's... Starting to sense a little bit of a pattern here.
However, if you have green now in Arizona, and you have green now in Georgia, and you have green in Pennsylvania, you might be in a better spot.
Love the Green Party.
Ballot access, ladies and gentlemen.
We'll see.
Um, anyway, so we've been on this.
So what do you think is the best?
If you were running the Trump campaign, Blake, would you go equal in all three?
Let's just say Arizona and Georgia are a given.
Would you have the campaign in them?
Do you go even in all three?
Do you go half and half?
Do you quietly forsake one of them?
I think you have to go for all of them.
Just we don't know which one will break that way.
And I can just easily see the reality where we you'd fall short by 20,000 votes in the state that you decided was actually unwinnable.
Or you win Wisconsin by 6,000 votes and something crazy.
Wisconsin just acts weird.
And just as a general rule, one, I think the Trump campaign in general, they respond to the energy of fighting in more states, being more go getter about it.
That's just how the base is.
And also, there's diminishing returns when you just spend a ton in one state.
I think you don't get as much out of it as you do from just, you know, take a shot on all three of them.
Of course, what I would also like is if we can get our progress that we want to make on the you-know-what issue, then we don't need to win any of these.
- Of Nebraska.
- Yes. - Go Big Red.
- So how bullish are we that Trump's gonna win Nevada? - I will admit-- - I'm looking for Nevadan over there. - It's hard for me to envision it.
It's not been close, but the polls are very strong.
The polls are hard to ignore.
Trump is stronger in Nevada than he is in Arizona.
- Yeah. - All right, let me, you can reiterate, working class-- - Okay, no, I got it. - California's-- - I know, but they're as crooked as a $3 bill.
He's the opposite as I am with Pennsylvania.
I'm like you in Pennsylvania.
I'm like you in Arizona.
I refuse the good news.
Get to work.
Chase the ballots.
I'm just like whipping people.
Stop it.
Go find more people to go register.
I'd feel better if we were chasing.
You what?
I'd feel better if we were chasing.
You'd feel better if we were chasing?
In Nevada?
No, I agree.
Nevada's underworked for us.
I'm actually getting messages from, well, I shouldn't say, but someone who's working on the field in Pennsylvania right now.
So, the map is definitely shrinking.
Everything we predict is coming true.
He's going to win Iowa.
He'll win Ohio.
He'll win North Carolina.
He'll win Florida.
And I think he's going to be good in Georgia.
Georgia's looking really healthy.
He's going to have to campaign there.
We're going to have to get out the vote.
Georgia's looking increasingly healthy.
And then it's going to come down to Arizona and one of the blue wall states.
That kind of one-two combo.
Let's play Cut 23, is that?
Cut 23, all about tips.
Blake's favorite topic.
Play Cut 23.
So, this is the first time I've said this, and for those hotel workers and people that get tips, you're going to be very happy.
Because when I get to office, we are going to not charge taxes on tips.
It's people making tits.
We're not going to do it, and we're going to do that right away.
First thing in office, because those people that have jobs in restaurants, whatever the job may be, a tipping job, we're not going after for taxes anymore.
This will be ended.
Blake, do you like this?
First, before I answer, because someone pointed out, we should read the Super Chats because we do hate to make them.
Valseko16 says, I live in Southern Oregon, massive Trump country.
Don Jr.
loves hunting here.
How can we get a rally in Oregon?
Oh, wow.
And I suspect the answer is- That'll be Project 2025.
Register your friends that or register your friends until Oregon is polling at you know Biden plus two instead of Biden plus plus 15 10 or whatever it is like a hunting event or something it'd be a lot of fun but we are you got to focus on the states that are the most likely to go our way Oregon is not in play and not for now now yeah the tipping thing Blake, when you say, not for now, are you referring to the separatist movement up there?
Oh, that would be fun, too.
That would be fun.
Just bring back the state of... Was it Franklin they wanted to call it?
Franklin or Jefferson?
Jefferson.
Franklin is the one they would have made in Tennessee.
I guess with the tipping thing, I will say it feels politically very savvy to me because it's the easiest thing in the world.
We've already got the images of people where you leave a nice tip and then you say, like, vote for Trump, no taxes on tips.
It's working.
I will say, I saw one photo where someone wrote that and they also tipped really badly.
It was like an 8% tip.
If you're going to do this, you have to over-tip.
Hold on, hold on.
We should have an ethical conversation on tipping.
Minimum should be 20%.
I feel like we've gotten a creep from 15% to 20% over the last few years.
Definitely a minimum of 20% if you're going to make a political pitch to someone.
We have to interrupt this.
How much do you tip?
I kind of eyeball it, like 15% to 20%.
Okay, fair enough.
Jack, how about you?
Um, so, I've actually kind of changed this recently.
Um, I was usually, you know, 20 to 30, but lately, because I've, depending on where I go... 30's high.
Unless they really deserve it.
Depending on where I go, especially if it's a place, thank you, um, where I go a lot, I've been doing, I've just been, I've been over tipping.
I've been going like 40, 50.
40 to 50?!
Yep.
That's a lot.
That's generous.
But if it's a place... But what kind of place are you eating at?
And are you bringing kids?
With kids.
Okay, kids you have to go over.
100%.
With kids... Kids, you gotta go to a 30-40.
I'm talking about like... 100%.
These are places where we go that we go to frequently.
They're independent, they're... Okay, I can hear you.
And the waiters really take care of you.
Well yeah, not if it's about service, obviously.
Well, no, but I'm talking about when they're, like, totally... By the way, Andrew just said 15% is average.
No, no, no.
20%?
They've totally done this creep.
It was not 20% when I was a kid.
It was 15 to 18 or so.
20 is easy because the math is easy.
You just, you know, take 10% times 2.
Yeah, 10% times 2.
And so, 20 is pretty easy to organically do.
You double it.
It's 20.
It's not that hard.
If a waiter or waitress is really attentive and you have a child who is making noise and throwing food, 30%.
Or if you're with Blake.
Yeah, probably.
What's the most you've ever tipped?
I've doubled it before.
You've doubled the check.
I don't think I've ever doubled.
I don't think I've ever had cause to do that.
I've gone over 20 before, like I said.
I just sort of round it for the most part.
Blake's like, okay here's a question, have you ever left nothing?
Yes.
Okay, tell me why.
Yeah, so, uh, I was once at one... Actually, I was once for not only did I not tip... Oh wait, no!
This is the funniest one.
I was watching a Packers game at a place in Arizona, and I'm going to do it by name because I want to drag them a bit.
It was Casey Jones in Phoenix, North Phoenix.
It's a Packer bar.
And I would watch Packers games there, and they kicked me off the bar where I was seated, even though I had ordered food, because I was not ordering alcohol.
I was only drinking diet Pepsi.
And they were kind of jerks about it, and so I literally just went, I was like, I am not tipping you over this.
And then I did that.
One time I didn't pay at all, because we had a server who was I guess having a bad day and was super rude.
And he thought we were laughing at him or something because we were laughing at an unrelated story.
And he kind of had basically a meltdown.
And as we walked down, we just said, our service was really bad and we are not going to pay for anything we received here.
And we pulled it off.
Well, so, I mean, obviously you're asking the question like in the United States, but so when I lived in when I lived in China or what any of the time has been in Asia, tipping is like it's.
Oh, Europe, it's a foreign concept.
When Americans leave 20%, they think you're the coolest person ever.
In Japan, if you tip, the person will... In Asia, if you tip, they will be offended.
They don't tip.
They don't tip at all because they consider good service to be part of their, so it's like face culture, so that's part of their honor.
And so they would view tipping the way that we would view like a bribe, almost.
Like, oh you're bribing me?
In Arab countries, all you do is bribe.
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, if you want to get your luggage from a...
Well, having been to Egypt... $5 here, $10 here.
No, it's true.
100%.
Am I wrong when I say that?
I was just in Morocco and it was just like that the entire time.
Okay, so before Media Matters clips this, Jack, in Morocco, is it pay-for-play?
Everywhere.
Literally everywhere.
But by the way, they also wouldn't consider that a bribe.
They would consider that generosity.
Or graft.
Bakshish!
Bakshish!
You'll learn that if you ever go to Egypt.
And they know Americans have money.
So people that leave a 5% tip, how do they live it themselves?
Like consistently.
As like a matter of principle.
I'm surprised- I'm kind of surprised anyone would leave 5% consistently.
I think you'd be more likely- You'd be more likely to run into someone who says- I'd be saying it's more likely that someone would just never tip.
And they would just go, I'm never going to tip.
Ever.
Like, I pay the price that is listed on the menu and tipping is bad.
Those people definitely exist.
We have to understand that the- You guys know this.
They pay waiters and waitresses like $3 an hour.
This is somewhat misleading.
What happens is, if you are a tipping company, that is the amount you are required to pay them, but they are required to have their total compensation be at least U.S.
minimum wage.
So if they are not getting that amount in tipped wages, then you have to make sure they get to morale age.
Meaning if there's no customers.
Yeah, yeah.
Meaning if, like, no one comes in the restaurant, they have to at least make minimum wage.
Or if you weren't getting tipped, or whatever.
You have to make at least the U.S.
minimum wage.
Yeah, but they get tipped.
Yeah.
Obviously.
But they do get tipped, and so their employers are allowed to pay them less, but they have to make at least minimum wage.
Let me ask you a question.
So you're checking in an airport, and you are checking luggage at the curb.
Do you give them a tip?
Wait, if I'm what?
You are at an airport checking luggage.
And you are checking it at the curb.
Do you give that man a tip?
I think this is like some rich people problem that I cannot empathize with.
I've never done this.
I carry my luggage.
You're a terrible person!
Jack, when you check your bags, do you give them a tip?
We don't check bags.
We never check bags.
Check bags at the curb?
When you go to Europe, you don't check bags?
No.
How on earth do you go to Europe without checking a bag?
I don't check bags.
I carry a duffel bag.
I carried a duffel bag with me to Poland.
Jack has, like, two kids.
How do you go to... We don't check.
Tanya is actually really, really good at packing.
Wait, you bring the kids on the plane instead of checking them in the luggage?
Angelo says $10 per bag if you don't want your bag lost.
Thank you, Angelo.
You are a good American.
This is... I never check bags.
It is $10 per bag.
Okay, we have to get into more controversial territory.
If you're at... Have you noticed they've added the tip screens to everything now?
Oh, you mean you can check outside?
I'm right with Blake on this.
You know, it is a scam.
They asked me to tip when I pick up takeout.
Yeah.
That is, no, no, it's a new thing.
They add it automatically at Chop Shop.
Ooh, that's a scam.
Automatically add it in.
And you have to, if you go too fast, and all of a sudden it's like, it's 20% built in.
The place I got lunch today had 18% gratuity automatically for all dine-in, and they like hide it on the bill, like when you get the final thing, and then ask for a tip on top of that, and I was, I raised my eyebrow at that one.
So this is otherwise good.
You know what I don't like, though?
Takeout tips?
Are you kidding me?
I like when they do... So, I like the idea of a tip, too, because it's like someone's work... You've built up that rapport over the night, you know a big tip is coming, it's gonna be part of it.
But the one that I hate is when they spin the tablet around now, and it's like 20, 25, 30... Oh no, it's so bad.
And they don't even look at you.
They don't even look at you when they spin it around.
There's like an expector's expectation.
Yeah, and they just... That's right.
They don't say anything, they just turn it around and there it is.
Okay, so let me now go further.
If you valet a car, do you tip the valet?
Yes.
I've never valeted a car.
You've never valeted a car?
Nope.
You've never?
Ever?
Nope.
I find that remarkably hard to believe.
Well, you did grow up in South Dakota.
Yeah, a valet, where?
Did you know that in North Dakota, parking meters are illegal?
Based.
I mean, I'm not a parking meter fan.
Yeah, but how many states have been courageous enough to ban them?
Constitutionally.
I don't like getting my car valeted, so I try to avoid it as much as possible.
It's unavoidable if you go to nice places.
It's unavoidable.
But at some places it is not.
Don't go to nice places!
I've gotten away with it at Mar-a-Lago.
I've gotten away with not having to valet at Mar-a-Lago.
So Jack, you can sympathize with this.
When you valet and you don't tip, because you don't have any cash, they give you bad energy.
I hate that.
Do you know what I'm talking about?
I will go to Great Lakes.
Yes, Angelo's right.
You get the look.
You get such a look.
He's hexing your bloodline.
Yeah, it's so bad.
And he probably knows how to, he might know how to actually do the hex, you know.
I'm telling you, they have like a Woojee doll or whatever, you know, a thing of like... Voodoo doll.
Yeah, that's right.
Woojee?
Yeah, Woojee.
Same thing.
They're playing the Ouija boards while they're waiting for the cars, they got all sorts of weird satanic activity.
For people that don't tip them.
In other words, you're giving a tip?
They're cutting heads off of lambs.
They're doing all sorts of weird stuff.
Look, if somebody is driving your car, and parking it, and dealing with that, that job sucks.
That job's just not fun.
You probably get someone who's freaking out at you at some point during the day.
Why would you not tip that person?
One of my least favorite moments, there's a restaurant Eric and I like going to, and it's at a resort, so you have to valet.
There's no choice, right?
Right.
Is when I don't have cash, and they don't believe you.
And it is, it's like, no, no, no, I really, really don't have- - This is why Trump always carries a little bit of cash though.
- It's like, I don't have any cash.
And they say, uh-huh, yeah, get in the car.
- Well, you know what's funny about tips is, it's funny that it just occurred to me though, that Trump is famously a huge tipper.
- No, by the way, he has wads of hundred dollar bills that he'll bring out.
- He just carries wads of hundreds.
- That's right. - And you've heard stories of this, where he's gone in somewhere and he's had an event, and it's like everyone backstage gets a hundred.
Who's working there?
No, that's right.
Just everyone gets $100.
A notoriously generous tipper.
When else outside of food do you tip?
Uh, I'll usually tip Uber drivers who are good.
So you do tip Uber?
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, Uber's fine.
Do you tip Uber, Jack?
Of course.
You tip dealers at poker tables if you get a good hand.
Oh, you do?
Not that I haven't played a ton of it, but if you win big, you should do that.
And then, what are the other examples that come to mind?
Haircuts, Blake?
Oh, oh yeah!
Oh, that's a good one!
Do you tip your barber?
I did when I had one.
It's been a while.
Walked right into it.
Jack, do you tip your barber?
Of course.
100%.
How much do you tip?
I'm a very generous barber tipper.
A ton, a ton.
I agree with that, yes.
Ryan brings up food delivery.
Ryan, when did you think of the last time you got food delivery?
By the way, I have to say this comment.
Val said I could succeed again.
Bed tip Blake.
Oh, here's a good one.
Here's a good one.
Do you tip the chambermaid?
Honestly, I don't.
That's the title, chambermaid.
Honestly, I don't.
Is it not the title, chambermaid?
Housekeeping is chambermaid.
You would just say housekeeping, though.
This isn't the 1920s, Charlie.
Charlie's like, come on, you square-robes!
Look it up!
It's chambermaid!
We're gonna roll some numbers here later.
Do you call a toilet a chamber pot?
Jiggas, it's the fuzz!
I call it the loo, okay?
He calls it the loo, okay.
Oh, he's British now.
I thought you were Scottish.
I am Scottish.
Is it not chambermaid?
So wait, you call it the loo, but you don't call her the loo lady?
The loo lady.
Is it not, say, chambermaid?
I'm looking this up.
A maid who cleans bedrooms and bathrooms, especially in a hotel.
Yeah, from a hundred years ago, maybe.
You don't call her the chambermaid?
What do you call her?
The housekeeping person?
Housekeeping!
You just say housekeeping!
No, that's so insincere!
What's her title?
Do you call Mikey your Batman?
No, no, no, no, no, hold on, hold on, hold on.
What do you think she goes around and she calls herself?
The maid?
The maid.
Chambermaid!
Oh, she doesn't.
No one does this.
Oh, just come into my chambers, yeah.
She doesn't call herself the housekeeper maid.
Lord Charlie over here.
Erica, fetch the chambermaid.
The chamber needs a turning.
Exactly.
Get me a bed warming pan.
Draw my bath, chambermaid.
Did!
Yes!
Did!
Past tense!
They still exist!
Past tense!
The Google is in past tense, therefore, it's a long time ago.
When they knock, they usually say, Chambermaid is here!
No, they don't!
Where are you staying?
Do you take vacations, like, in the past, and this is why we don't actually know?
Charlie, were you- Because, like, you're time traveling to the past.
Did you sail on the Titanic?
Did you survive that voyage?
I have been called an old soul.
The other Google is, what did a chambermaid do in the Middle Ages?
In the Middle Ages.
It's from the 1500s.
It's from the 1500s!
Charlie's like, I was just reading the Codex of Jerome, and uh... Oh my goodness.
So do you tip?
Chambermaid?
No, I don't.
I probably should, but I don't.
Angela says you have to tip chambermaids.
You have to clean on a daily basis.
This is gonna sound weird, I usually put up the like...
Nocturnal activity sign, because I don't like the cleaners cleaning my hotel room for the most part.
It's not because of nocturnal activity.
I've forgotten to tip them for quite a while.
One, I don't trust them.
I do a poor job, but I shouldn't.
I don't trust them, and it just messes stuff up, and I'm usually not in a hotel for more than a week.
Okay, here's a good question.
When you're in a hotel, do you lock up your stuff, or do you trust them to be in your hotel room?
In Detroit, I do.
I don't travel with anything valuable.
That's the most Blake answer ever.
So, other tipping, so... No, when I'm overseas, I use the safe.
You use the safe?
Yeah.
Which, hilariously, it's actually probably more dangerous in America than it is overseas.
Well, it depends, but... Do you tip flight attendants?
No way do you flip-tie them.
No, I've heard... Who invents this crap?
I've heard about this.
So, this is, like, one of those, you know... It was on Daily Mail one time or something, and it was, like, secrets of flying.
And they said that if... One thing that you can do for flight attendants is tip them right when you get on the plane.
Are you serious?
So you tip them right when you get on the plane.
That's fascinating.
You see where I'm going with this?
And some people say, also, gift cards is a big one.
Yeah, Ryan says I do it sometimes and it turns out great.
So gift cards, like $20 at Starbucks, or maybe even $10.
You know, a $10 Starbucks gift card, or whatever it is, and then suddenly your entire service, and by the way, even if she doesn't end up being your You know, because you're like in a different section or whatever.
She might not be the attendant for your section.
They're going to know.
And they're going to know, like they know who's on the plane, right?
They're like, you know, the big guy who's looking at, who's watching Thoughtcrime in, you know, in row six was the guy who gave the gift card.
And so it's like this cheat code that when you first get on, that's when you get it.
We should do that.
We should get it so like Delta has Thoughtcrime episodes.
We should do that.
We should totally do that.
Other positions worthy of tipping?
I'm trying to look at the Trump electorate here, okay?
So Trump... Well, we haven't really tied it back to... Well, hold on.
Let's be honest.
Here's where President Trump's missing it.
Does he actually think that all these people are declaring their cash tips as income?
Of course not.
But a lot of people tip in non-cash ways, I suppose.
Yeah.
What about... Do people ever tip, like, house cleaners or lawnmowers?
Stuff like that?
Lawnmowers?
I guess you already just blame landscaping?
Yeah, landscapers?
Whatever.
We don't call it landscaping.
I can make a joke right now, but... It's yard work.
I'm not going to do that.
I think the term is a landscaper.
It's a landscaper.
Yeah, maybe, but whatever.
The lawnmower.
Okay, let me ask you a question.
Do you think that conservatives or liberals tip better?
Conservatives, 100%.
Why do you think that?
Because I read a book about it.
Really?
Yeah, there have been a lot of studies that show this.
Do you agree, Blake?
Blake is, like, blackpilled on conservative culture.
I haven't looked into it.
I will say there is a stereotype of a common Democrat voting bloc that they don't tip great.
I know the trans community really is huge.
Them too, yeah.
I don't know, I can also just see a lot of... there's certainly like the irate libertarian type might be like, I don't tip because it's not required of me, it's not in the contract or something.
This violates the social contract!
Normally, you think of conservatives as caring more about social norms, as it were, and it is a social custom and norm.
I truthfully don't know.
I bet Jack is right.
It probably is conservative's tip slightly better, but that might even be out of date.
Maybe that shifted because of the way the electorate's changed.
Oh, Charlie, I saw a good line, by the way, on Libertarian.
There's this very strict Libertarian the other day that I thought you'd appreciate.
It said, Libertarians, they're trying to replace God with contract law.
Oh, that's exactly right.
That is very true.
That's really smart.
The, uh, so, by the way, did we have to do an ad read?
Did we forget any of that?
We haven't done anything.
Is someone saying babysitters?
Joe Biden gave his babysitter a different kind of tip.
Is that true?
Is that real?
Like, he married the babysitter.
No, was she really was?
I believe so.
It's just debatable whether they were an item before his wife died.
But she really was a babysitter.
She had babysat Hunter, I believe.
Wow.
I don't think I'm hallucinating that.
No, Bo is older, though.
Older than her?
No, older than Hunter.
Well, I just think she babies out the boys before the car accident and all that.
I always thought that was one of those internet things.
Now I'm going to look it up because otherwise I'll get in trouble and Patriot Takes will be like... Jonathan has a great question.
Charlie, do you give money to beggars?
I just love that they use the word beggars.
Beggars?
No, I do not.
Do you?
Sometimes I will.
I give money to local charities that help people in need, and I give generously to them.
I do not give money to people that I see routinely that ask for money with signs.
I do not.
If I feel moved to do it, I sometimes will.
I'm all for helping people.
There are people that totally game the system.
I do, but I do think it is very clear, like, I don't know, like, in the Gospels there's a lot of beggars who make appearances, and it doesn't necessarily dwell super hard on whether they're, like, virtuous or deserving or not.
So I feel it's one of those things, if you feel moved to do it, you should, it's probably not the end of the world to help them out a bit.
So I'm all for helping.
Even if it's probably a waste, even if it's almost certainly a waste.
I don't think it's a bad impulse to do sometimes.
I kind of want to take a detour and talk about the Logan Paul deal.
I think it's very thought-crimey.
Have we had a chance to watch it yet, guys?
Is the episode up?
The episode's up.
Have you guys watched it or seen any clips of it?
I have not, but I saw a tweet from Rahim that said it's must watch, the interview.
So let's, I mean, what other topics do we have?
Apparently the interview's really good.
So, well, I don't know what, I haven't really been blown up about it yet.
Blake, what other topics do we have?
Oh, well, we could talk about the SPLC imploding.
Yeah, the SPLC is the one we had planned.
They love Jack, so.
They love me, I think.
Yeah, so this is pretty great, though.
Blake, they love you, too, right?
Yeah, I think so.
So the SPLC, of course, has a war chest of something like $762 million, I think.
That's their endowment?
Well, it depends on if you're counting the money that's in this country versus the money that's held in the Cayman Islands.
Ooh, that's a good question, yeah.
And I did look it up, I think I was wrong in the babysitter thing, so I guess it'll be too late, they'll clip me or whatever.
Based.
That might not be true, it appears.
In Blake's head, Canada, it's real.
Yeah, I mean, I want to believe, and that's almost like it being true.
But anyway, so the SPLC just executed 25% of its staff.
They took them out back, in Montgomery.
Is that real, Raw News?
They told them to look at the rabbits.
Blake, are you reading Real Raw News?
Is that according to Real Raw News here?
No, no, no, this is just, it's a metaphor.
They have nothing to live for now.
They've lost the SPLC.
Well, they were communists to begin with, so I mean, it's debatable whether they're actually alive.
True, true.
So the SPLC, they laid off 25% of their staff.
They're trying to focus more on racial justice or whatever it is.
And the SPLC employee union, because of course they have one, did an extremely irate tweet about it today.
SPL Center, an organization with nearly a billion dollars in reserves, given an F rating by Charity Watch for hoarding donations, gutted its staff by a quarter.
And they went on quite the long screed about it.
It's pretty funny.
This will have a catastrophic impact on the organization's work in support of immigrants seeking justice.
So this is this is what's actually really funny.
So, Charlie, going into the 2024 election where we know, obviously, immigration is probably going to be the number one issue on the Republican side that's pushed the SPLC.
is actually slashing all of their immigrant or immigration-focused workers because apparently it's gotten so bad that even the S.P.L.C.
can't hire these people anymore.
And so, what is the reason they're getting for this?
They have a huge endowment, a $400 million endowment.
Why are they slashing staff?
It's not clear.
I mean, they say it's standard.
You know, they're refocusing their work.
All the butt-covering stuff.
What I think is funny to imagine is, to just think of what the SPLC is.
So the SPLC, just in case anyone doesn't remember by the way, SPLC, Southern Poverty Law Center, they exist to basically go around and they warn against hate as a threat.
And so they label every conservative group under the sun as either a hate group or adjacent to a hate group, and then they collaborate with the FBI and government.
So this is how they launder the whole thing, where they'll be able to say like, Turning Point USA, which has platformed this person, labeled a hate speaker by the Southern Poverty Law Center, who are neutral experts.
All of that crap.
What they actually are is, they're an organization, I think they were started in the 70s, and they were started by Morris Dees, who was basically a junk mail god.
He was extremely good at writing junk mail that would make, like, liberal housewives freak out and want to donate money, so in the 70s it was all like, the KKK is gonna come back and kill everyone, and then in the 90s he got, you know, he's...
Especially in the Trump era, they made tons of money and it's basically send junk mail to people and say Donald Trump is Hitler and he's going to do the American Holocaust unless you give us money to stop him.
And they made tons of money doing this.
Hundreds of millions of dollars.
And even in the 90s you had liberals writing magazine pieces.
about this, where they would just say, this charity is a scam.
They're just piling up tons of money by scaring people.
The amount of work they do compared to it is minimal.
Morris Dees himself is this hilarious figure.
I think he's been married seven times.
Very old-timey type of liberal.
And in 2019, they kind of ginned up a Me Too scandal against him in his late 70s or early 80s, and they sent him to a farm in upstate New York, and he hasn't been seen since.
Only two more marriages since then.
Yes, exactly.
So he's been gone, and they promised at the time, they said, we're going to get to the bottom of this, we're going to bring in someone from the Obama administration, it might have been, it was like Michelle Obama's, or her former confidant, something like that, to do this full audit of everything, and we're going to really investigate this.
And nobody has heard anything about it ever since.
They just totally lied, no one held them accountable about it at all.
And what I think is going on now is they're now just fighting over the giant pile of money that has been left behind.
Because they took out the guy who actually built the SPLC into this giant money-raising machine.
But the SPLC is not the ACLU.
They're not the NAACP.
Both of those orgs, kind of, we don't like them, but they do things.
They do lawsuits and stuff.
And they have all of these elite lawyers.
The SPLC just, like, runs a website calling Charlie Kirk a racist.
And they have 700 million dollars.
And I think they hired a bunch of dumbs who don't know how to make the money and they're just sort of staggering around and trying to find ways to spend it and give themselves bonuses and get rid of the people who they don't want to be getting part of the take.
And it would be really amazing if they were, you know, headquartered in a red state that could investigate them for all of this, but I guess, you know, I assume Montgomery, Alabama must just be in some deep blue state and this can't happen.
Okay, what do we have here?
Let's go to... Let's just set the table here.
Logan Paul used to be anti-Trump.
Who is Logan Paul for our audience that doesn't understand Jack?
What is his significance?
Including me!
He's a cultural phenomenon.
Yeah, I mean...
The easiest way to put it is a YouTuber who got started doing kind of prank videos.
From Ohio.
From Ohio, yeah.
He and his brother... Jake.
Not twins.
A lot of people kind of think they are.
He's the younger brother, I think.
Yeah, Logan's younger brother, Jake's the older brother.
They did YouTube prank videos, got super big by doing it, and have branched out into other things.
And Logan would definitely have been anti-Trump in 2020.
He was super woke in 2020.
There's this really cringe video of him doing the Kendi anti-racist incantation.
I have realized that I am part of the problem if I do not actively take steps against racism.
And it's easy to crap on Logan Paul, but he has built an insanely valuable energy drink company.
That thing is going to be sold for billions of dollars.
That is unbelievable.
Do you know who runs Rockstar?
Michael Savage's son.
Weiner is his name, actually.
Prime is incredibly powerful.
I don't know if it's going to be good anymore, but they say it's going to be really good.
I see it everywhere.
Yeah, it's everywhere with like Gen Z. So Logan Paul has 27 million YouTube subscribers.
Very popular with ages 18 to 25 in particular.
He does this impulsive podcast and he just welcomed Donald Trump on it.
Play cut 131.
Super AI, right?
Super duper AI.
But what it does is so crazy.
It can also be really used for good.
I mean, things can happen.
I had a speech rewritten by AI out there.
One of the top people.
He said, oh, you're going to make a speech?
Yeah.
He goes, click, click, click.
And like 15 seconds later, he shows me my speech.
That's great.
That's great.
So beautifully.
I said, I'm going to use this sucker.
I'm going to.
I'm going to.
I've never seen it.
What did you say to your speechwriter after that?
You're fired.
You're fired, Vince.
Vince.
Let's keep on getting cuts here.
So, it's very much of a bro-y podcast.
By the way, we're all seeing this for the first time.
Keep mics open.
Let's play Cut 129.
Of course, Trump just alphas them.
Play Cut 129.
In our country, and these are not people that are going to make America great again.
These are people that have a lot of issues.
And we're going to have a lot of issues as long as they're here.
And we're going to get them out.
We have to get them out.
That is, he's talking about the foreigners and the illegals that are here in the country.
It's like full circle back to 2015, you know, people, they got a lot of problems, they're coming here, and some, I assume, are good people.
All the way back to Escalator Day.
This is Donald Trump saying that Brittany Griner should have been kept in a Russian prison.
Play Cup 130.
Who knows what that means, but he was a great arms dealer for the basketball player that wouldn't stand up during the National Anthem.
She thought that was a good time to tie her sneakers.
And that was not exactly the greatest trade, but he gave six billion dollars on top of it.
Six billion.
Billion with a B. And I don't know what they're doing.
And when you do The question is, did Logan Paul talk at all in the interview, or did Trump just alpha him for 50 minutes?
Trump didn't actually say she should be captured.
No, no, by the way, the Biden team is saying that Trump says immigrants do not make America great.
He's talking about foreigners that are illegally here, so just be very clear.
They constantly lie about that.
By the way, their Biden-Harris HQ is the most desperate, paranoid Twitter response team I've ever seen.
And it's like, you can debunk the things they're saying without even watching the clip.
It's just, you know what obviously happened, because they do the same lies over and over.
So even then, with Brittany Griner, he didn't say, she should have been kept, he said, it was a bad deal.
This is Donald Trump asking Logan Paul, who makes more money, him or Jake?
Play Cut 132.
Excuse me, did you guys start, like, separately?
Me and Jake?
Yes.
No, together.
Oh, you started, so you started together.
Together on YouTube.
And did you branch out?
You each have your own thing?
Yeah, well, eventually, because I went to college.
Jake was still in high school.
He ended up dropping out.
I finished my first year.
It's an amazing two stories, right?
Yeah, for sure.
Who makes more money?
Uh, it depends on the year.
It depends if Jake has fights.
All about the money, baby.
And it depends on when this sells, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think... Is that your new drink?
Oh, that's good.
If you make it, I like it.
Oh, thank you, Mr. President.
No, it's gotta be good.
Look, something's propelling him to fight world champions to a draw, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We actually made this American Prime special for this episode.
It's a hydration beverage.
It's doing fine?
Doing well?
We did $1.2 billion last year.
That's great.
Year two.
That's fantastic.
Guys, if he's doing $1.2 billion in revenue, that's insane.
I mean, that's unbelievable.
I just realized there was a South Park special that was making fun of these guys, and that's the only thing I know about them.
There was?
There was an entire thing where the subplot was an influencer who had their own energy drink line that people were killing themselves for and stuff.
That would be them.
Let's go, Logan Paul tells Donald Trump that he actually approached Netflix to step in for Mike Tyson.
Let's play Cut 134.
Do you ever fight your brother?
That's the question.
Do you want to know something?
I want to know.
Do you ever fight him?
Thank you.
Not in real life.
You practiced a little bit.
Never.
We've never even sparred.
But I was willing to step in for Mike Tyson when Tyson got sick and had to postpone his fight and we actually like ran it up the chain at Netflix.
It's hard for brothers to fight though.
I think it's hard.
Nah, Netflix for a big ol' bag, like, figure it out once and for all.
I think it's, you know, I think so.
You're my brother.
Well, me and Jake decided that I'll obviously, like, I knew I'd come from a place of love, and whatever the outcome would be, we'd have to be okay with it.
But obviously, I love my brother.
He's alpha, being alpha is what he's doing.
Just one time, though, for the rest of his time, you know, that night goes down forever.
But Jake's tough, and he's good, but I'm wanting to know.
He's very good, and you're very good.
It's like he was the host.
It was like he's the Rogan of this interview.
He's interviewing them.
Let's play Cut 133 of Logan Paul on the Donald Trump Podcast.
We'd like to extend the invite to Joe Biden if he'd like to come on this podcast.
Yeah, I think he should.
You know what chance you have of getting one?
I'd say less than 1%.
Okay?
If you did that, it'd be interesting.
I'd actually watch that one.
But Trump keeps on doing these situations where he's contrasting himself with Joe Biden.
It really is.
It straight up feels like Trump is younger than he was a year ago, two years ago.
It's like the campaign really has revitalized him to a strong degree.
We're getting all these moments.
It feels like it's 2015 sometimes.
It's something else.
So in closing here, guys, I want to tell you about... I'm going to watch the whole interview tonight.
I was going to say, is that it?
I want more.
I need more.
I know.
I'm going to watch the whole thing.
Final thoughts, guys.
Charlie, the Chambermaid clip is already going viral.
Is it going viral?
Yeah, but with our people.
Good.
I stand by it.
Charlie, are we going to launch an energy drink line?
You know, I was actually thinking of, what is my prime?
And I don't know what it is.
What is my equivalent?
I don't know.
I don't know if it's energy drink.
You have the hot sauce.
I could resurrect that.
You have the hot sauce.
The hot sauce is really good.
I tried the hot sauce.
Remember, we did the hot sauce all day.
Here's the thing about energy drinks, though, is that people will consume three or four of those in a day.
It's such high volume, high margin.
Hot sauce is high margin, low volume.
Low volume, yeah.
Because you'll buy like one or two a year.
Yeah, you'll buy a bottle and then... It lasts a year.
Right, exactly.
So, energy drinks is like, people just go right through.
They print money.
The energy drinks print money.
He was smart to do it.
He'll be a billionaire because of it.
Alright guys, Trump visits the People's Convention.
See you in Detroit.
tpx.com people's and make sure to tip your chambermaids.
