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June 7, 2024 - Human Events Daily - Jack Posobiec
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THE JOURNEY OF RECIPROCITY STARTS NOW

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This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.
This morning, prosecutors are expected to rest their case against Hunter Biden after days of dramatic and potentially damaging testimony.
A key witness, Hallie Biden, widow of Beau Biden, who told jurors about the crucial days when Hunter bought that Colt .38 special handgun in 2018.
Hunter, at one point, weeks after the gun purchase, wrote to her, President Biden says he will not pardon his son Hunter if he is convicted of federal gun charges.
The president added he will accept the outcome of the trial.
American democracy.
We often talk about the ideals of life, liberty, pursuit of happiness.
What we don't talk about is how hard it is, how many ways we're asked to walk away, how many instincts there are to walk away.
The most natural instinct is to walk away.
They basically said he's incompetent to stay in trial, but he could be president.
In Paris this morning, President Biden made his first public apology to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky over the months-long delay in U.S.
military aid.
I apologize for the weeks of not knowing what's going to happen in terms of funding.
And because we had trouble getting the bill that we had to pass that had the money in it.
We're probably in for $250 billion, you know.
They just got $62 billion, and now I heard today that they need more money.
It's going to never end.
It will come as no surprise to anyone that Donald Trump took to social media to rail against this, calling it a total and complete American tragedy that the crooked Joe Biden Department of Justice is yada yada yada.
Though Bannon does not officially work for the Trump campaign, he's an informal and very influential advisor and a large MAGA voice.
But if he goes in July 1st, that means he's going to be silenced for the stretch run of the election.
But is the country better or worse for them going after you?
I think the country is really worse for what they've done.
And I think you see that when you look at the poll numbers.
Revenge does take time.
I will say that.
It does.
And sometimes revenge can be justified, Phil.
I have to be honest.
You know, sometimes it can.
All right.
Jack Pasoba, Courier Art Live, Human Events Daily.
Today is June 7th, 2024.
Anno Domini.
The journey to reciprocity begins now.
What do we mean by reciprocity?
What are we talking about?
What are we saying?
It's as simple as this.
All you have to say, all you have to say is, no one is above the law.
You don't have to say, oh, that which you do to us, we'll do to you tenfold.
Of course we are going to say that.
That which you do to us, to our friends, to our fellow members of the posse like Stephen K. Bannon, Oh, we're coming for you.
We're going to come for all of you.
There's no question.
There's no question about it.
And so I see people saying, oh, don't don't use those words.
Don't say those things.
You got to be nice.
You got to be careful.
You got to be safe.
For what?
Or else, what else are they going to do?
Oh, they might throw us in jail.
They're already throwing us in jail.
They're already putting the Patriots behind bars.
When are you going to stand up and fight?
You have to stand up and fight or they will never stop.
You stand up and fight now while you have the strength before it is too late.
Peter Navarro is already behind bars.
Stephen K. Bannon is going behind bars for at least four months.
And then he's got another trial that starts in September in New York City.
And guess, by the way, who Steve Bannon's judge is in the trial in New York City?
Oh, that's right.
It's Judge Juan Marchand.
So understand.
Everything that has occurred prior to this moment has been preparing you for this moment, has been preparing you for the fight that is to come, for the fight that we find ourselves in now.
The fight that will be the final decision and the final verdict for our country is not in some New York courtroom or some D.C.
courtroom.
No, the final verdict is November 5th, 2024.
Because we all know this is a joke.
This is a sinister joke.
Let me tell you something right now.
Donald J. Trump and the patriots of this country will have the last laugh.
Mark my words.
Because it's next man up.
It's no step back.
No surrender.
You think we're going anywhere?
You lock up one of us, we're gonna lock up ten of you.
How about that?
How about that?
You take down one of us, we take down 10 of you.
It's as simple as that.
You bring 2,000 mules, we'll bring 10,000 mules.
That's the energy that we need going forward.
That is 100% of the energy and not one drop less.
Be right back.
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All right, Jack Posobiec back live here at Human Events Daily.
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Mike Davis joins us now.
Mike Davis is a man who knows a little bit about what we're talking about here.
Mike Davis, Walk me through this because I get people now who are saying, oh, when you guys talk about reciprocity, when you guys talk about, you know, they asked Trump about revenge and Dr. Phil is asking about revenge.
And Trump, of course, had a great response.
He said, sometimes revenge is justified, Dr. Phil.
You know, Phil, sometimes a little revenge is justified.
I think that's exactly right.
But when it really comes down to it, Mike, when we are seeing this situation, Are they ever going to stop on their own?
No.
And we've actually talked about this quite a bit, Jack, that today's left, they're not liberals who love America and just disagree with conservatives on the best way to get there.
These are leftists.
These are Marxists.
They hate America.
They hate equality.
They believe in equity.
They hate free speech.
They believe in censorship and they hate due process.
They believe in politicized and weaponized justice systems.
And they are not reasonable people.
They're not gonna respond to reason.
They're gonna respond to power.
And so what we need to do on the right is show these leftists power.
So they understand that we're serious, that we're not the Republican party of the past and we're not gonna just take this, right?
We're going to punch back politically, legally, and financially, and we're going to punch back hard, right?
And it's going to, it's what I call, it's called the dead chicken strategy.
When, we've talked about this, when I clerked for Justice Gorsuch briefly as his elderly law clerk for a few months to get him set up, each of the four law clerks for each of the nine justices has lunch.
We just kind of do speed dating with the different Justice so far.
Four of Gorsuch's clerks go have lunch with Justice Ginsburg or Breyer or whoever.
My favorite lunch was Justice Clarence Thomas because he's my favorite justice, too.
Don't tell Justice Gorsuch, but he's a great man.
And we had like a two and a half hour barbecue lunch out in Virginia.
And, you know, we didn't hold back in Gorsuch's chambers because we were a little bit older and maybe we should have.
But he talked about growing up on the farm in Georgia.
When dogs kill chickens, you take those dead chickens and wrap it around those dogs' necks.
And as those chickens rot around those dogs' necks, those dogs lose the taste for chicken.
And we need to do the same thing to these Biden Democrats.
I ran that play during the Kavanaugh confirmation when they threw six bogus allegations against then-Judge Kavanaugh, alleging essentially that he ran a serial gang rape ring Back into his teenage years, the guy who testified he was a virgin well into his 20s somehow was a serial gang rapist.
And so, which by the way, and I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna, I never let this one slide whenever it comes out.
Jake Tapper, Mr. Jake Tapper, the guy who's, uh, you know, Mr. Self-Righteous, the guy who we're all supposed to say, oh, he's the fairest man on television.
Even Jake Tapper brought Michael Avenali and Julie Swetnick on to share that ridiculous, completely insane theory that a sitting, or at the time, a duly nominated Supreme Court justice, nominee, was running a secret underage gang rape ring in his elite high school.
Yes, and my favorite part of running the dead chicken strategy was wrapping those allegations by Michael Avenatti and Julie Swetnick around the Democrats' necks.
I think those chickens are still rotting around their necks.
That's why I make sure to bring up Jake Tapper every single time I hear this story.
Every single time.
Thank you, Jake.
Thank you to all these Democrats who thought that Michael Avenatti was your white knight.
I think I ended Michael Avenatti's career and his freedom, so you're welcome, America.
But I would say this.
Remember in 2018, it was an off-year election, and generally those are bad years for them.
The Democrats won the House of Representatives that year when Trump was the president, but Senate Republicans, four of them, got sent into early retirement because of the Kavanaugh fight.
Republicans picked up two Senate seats.
Overall, it made it a comfortable margin, so we were able to confirm President Trump's nomination of Judge Amy Coney Barrett.
To the Supreme Court and transform the Supreme Court for the first time in 90 years, from a 5-4 left of center court to the 5-4 Clarence Thomas Court.
So I'm glad the Democrats, maybe not for Kavanaugh and Ashley's sake, Justice Kavanaugh and Ashley and their two daughters' sake, that they did their horrific, monstrous things that they did.
But politically, I'm kind of happy they did because we were able to use that against them and destroy them.
And that's the same play that we're going to run on November 5th.
We're going to take all these bogus allegations against Trump, this Democrat lawfare and election interference, these Republican tactics with these bogus criminal and civil cases, and we're going to wrap them around Joe Biden's neck on November 5, 2024, along with these Senate Democrat incumbents and challengers and House Democrat incumbents and challengers and all the way down the ticket.
President Trump's going to win in a landslide, and it's going to be because the American people are so angry by this Biden, Democrat lawfare and election interference, and we're going to use it to our advantage.
We're going to, it's a mixed metaphors here, we're going to take lemons and turn them into lemonade, and that's what the Article III project has been doing for the last nearly two years with over 3,500 media hits, constant social media, constant opinion pieces supporting and defending Trump.
There were very few people who would do it.
Jack, you were definitely one of them, but it was kind of crickets for two years, but we've changed the politics of this, and now every time they indict Trump, it only helps them.
Every time they try to throw him in prison, it only helps them.
He's going to be back in the White House, and there's going to be consequences.
Mike, I remember, certainly from the legal side, that you were the only person from the very start who just said, no, I reject all of this.
And then you actually went through and chapter and verse explained to us the insanity that was to ensue from all of these cases.
Now, three of them have been batted away, batted down.
However, the first one has come in as well, of course, as the situation with Steve Bannon, our good friend that he finds himself in.
Now, the thing is, though, that I would say is interesting to me was, don't bury the lead, that when this all started, remember, we were told by liberals, independents, and not too few Republicans in Washington, D.C., that the indictments would be the end of Trump, that this would stop him.
Now, all of a sudden, he's more popular than he's ever been before.
Why, Mike?
Why is that?
How could that possibly have happened?
It's called the dead chicken strategy, Jack, and people like you and me and Steve Bannon and others executed it masterfully.
And so, Now Democrats are facing a Republican landslide on November 5th.
I don't want Republicans and conservative independents and right-thinking Democrats to get complacent.
It's really important that you get out and vote and you bank your vote as early as possible.
Because if you think the BLM and Antifa riots were bad in 2020, wait till Biden and Soros and Obama run the Hamas riots in 2024 and scare the hell out of people on election day so they don't vote.
So make sure you vote as early as possible.
Get your friends and family who are aligned with you to vote as early as possible.
Do not take this for granted.
But we need to win by at least two points in this election.
So it's beyond the margin of steel.
We do not want the Democrats playing their games again like they did in 2020, like they did in Arizona with Abe in 2022.
Yes, they stole the election and they're going to do it again.
So let's win beyond the margin of theft.
You might even say it's they need to be too big to rig.
And I appreciate, though, of course, President Trump holding an incredible rally last night with with Charlie Kirk and all of our friends at Turning Point Action.
They are a dream city church in Phoenix, Arizona.
And the main thrust of the rally, even though this was his first, you know, his first public appearance since his conviction a week prior.
The fact that the actual agenda item of the rally wasn't just drumming up support.
Obviously, Arizona, Key State, Maricopa County, Key State.
It was making sure that people go and get their ballots, get them in early.
What Turning Point Action is calling Chase the Vote.
Different organizations have different names for this.
But it's all about this new these new options that are available to us in every single state, whichever they are.
And it's great, it's really great that I would see from the campaign perspective, and obviously to hear from President Trump, that he's embracing this as well.
If you can bank your vote, if you can do an early vote, if you can get your ballot in, I believe they're saying swamp the ballots is the new slogan.
Whatever you want to call it, this is what must be done.
It's time to fight fire with fire, and there's no one who knows how to do that better than Mike Davis.
We'll be right back.
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So Mike Davis, I mentioned before that Steve has another trial coming up, but I think there's a lot of people who haven't really been clued in on that.
There's a lot of people that haven't been following his cases as much as we've been following Trump's cases.
But look, it is what it is.
Yesterday happened.
Now we have to talk about this.
So that's going to be four months that, as far as we know, begins on July 1st.
That'll extend out to November 1st.
But Mike, what happens with Steve, legally speaking, in September?
Yeah, so the Democrats in New York are continuing their unprecedented lawfare and election interference.
Not only do they want President Trump's leading voice, outside voice, Steve Bannon in prison for four months before the election, then they're going to bring these fraud charges against Steve Bannon in New York and try to throw him in prison for years.
I mean, you saw with similar cases they're looking at between two and five years.
In prison.
And remember, this is Judge Juan Marchand, who was supposedly randomly selected again for another Trump case.
Juan Marchand was the Democrat judge who illegally donated to Joe Biden, got him reprimanded by the New York judicial system several months ago, we just learned.
His adult daughter, Lauren Marchand, is raising millions of dollars off of this Democrat lawfare and election interference, this Biden-Democrat lawfare and election interference against Trump, the Trump Organization, Steve Bannon.
She gets a percentage of whatever she makes.
She's getting very rich off of this.
So this Judge Juan Marchand has a recusal issue because his daughter has a financial stake in these criminal trials over which he is presiding supposedly randomly it's a one in 15 000 chance that this acting justice who usually has the family court in manhattan but is now an acting justice and supposedly was randomly assigned to the trump organization fraud case where he threw totally random
totally just uh totally random totally by chance no Nobody, no one in that clerk's office is putting their, their thumb on the scales.
Nope.
Just a total, just the algorithm, huh?
I guess it's just the algorithm.
That happens to keep putting the same judges, by the way, you see this with like Amy Berman Jackson in DC as well, you know, it's somehow the same judge keeps getting all of these White House officials and Trump and etc, etc.
You know how it is.
Now, by the way, logistically speaking then, so Devil's Advocate, let's say that he is serving his time for the federal conviction, does that mean that they would release him for the trial up to New York?
They would have U.S.
Marshals bring him to his trial.
I mean, it's yeah, this is sick.
And this is why the Article 3 project has been pushing so hard for the House Republicans to pass Congressman Andrew Clyde's appropriations right or to defund this Biden Democrat lawfare and election interference until after the election.
If they want to bring these charges against Trump and his top aides like Peter Navarro, who's sitting in prison right now, like Steve Bannon, who's Going to prison on July 1st is attorneys like John Eastman and Jeff Clark, his supporters on January 6th, while they give amnesty to Joe Biden and James Biden and Hunter Biden, other than this bogus gun charge he's not going to be found guilty on.
They want to cover up at least $20 million in foreign corruption to the Bidens.
Every Biden family member is on the payroll.
And Hunter Biden, this crackhead, was Joe Biden's back man.
He put his crack-addled son As the backman for this obvious criminal conspiracy, this foreign corruption, to take money from China, Russia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, every trouble spot around the world had the Bidens, and all the Bidens, it seems, on their payroll for over $20 million.
That House Oversight Chairman James Comer's been able to uncover.
And then the Biden Justice Department gives amnesty not only to the Bidens, But BLM and Antifa and Hamas supporters and abortion industry activists and trans terrorists, they're putting parents—they're sickening the FBI after parents outraged by gender chaos and the resulting rapes in high school bathrooms.
That's the Biden Justice Department.
What angers me the most is they are putting in prison little old Christian ladies who are praying outside of abortion clinics while you have these abortion industry activists And these trans terrorists terrorizing crisis pregnancy centers and Catholic churches.
And so they've politicized and weaponized the FACE Act under the Biden Justice Department to go after their political enemies, but to protect their criminal friends.
Again, this is a criminal conspiracy by Joe Biden, by Merrick Garland, by Jay Bratz.
By Jack Smith, by Lisa Monaco, by Alvin Bragg, Tish James, Fannie Willis, Nathan Wade, Judge Juan Marchand, Lauren Marchand, Tanya Shutkin, the D.C.
judge.
There are so many people who are at a minimum fact witnesses in this obvious criminal conspiracy by Biden and his aides and his allies to go after Trump and his aides and allies for the purpose of lawfare and election interference.
They are violating the civil rights of Trump, his aides and his allies.
And there must be accountability on day one, January 20th, 2025.
There must be a criminal probe for this serious civil rights felony.
18 USC, 241 and 242, up to 10 years in prison.
As the Biden Democrats like to say, nobody is above the law.
And we're going to put that to the test on January 20th, 2025.
So to President Biden and his aides and allies, lawyer up.
You're not above the law.
The situation that we find ourselves in, this is completely insane.
It's ludicrous.
And what's incredible to me is that you don't hear Republicans and Republican leaders really outside the movement decrying this as much as they should.
You have White House officials that are being locked up by Democrats.
It feels like every single day right now, another White House official or former White House official is getting locked up by a Democrat.
Now they've decided that Steve Bannon, four months isn't long enough.
So they're going to haul him up to New York and then bring him up on charges that he's already, by the way, received a pardon on once.
And they're going to come in and say, well, now we've got to put you on trial again.
And so while he's in, I can't even get it out of my head.
US Marshals will be leading him from custody every day to court where he's got to fight another court case.
This is in the midst of the election.
This is the midst of the fall.
This is the midst of when we're supposed to be putting this all together.
And there are still people on our side, Mike.
There are still people on our side who say, Oh, well, you know, we just have to go along to get along.
We have to compromise.
No, these people are unhumans.
These people need to be stopped.
These people need retribution right now.
If you're a Republican up there in Congress, on Capitol Hill, why are you working with them?
Why are you passing any bills while they continue to do this to us?
Why are you passing any budgets?
Why are you signing off on anything?
Speaker Johnson, by the way, go arrest Merrick Garland right now.
Have the sergeant at arms walk over and arrest him for refusing the subpoena and start subpoenaing every single Democrat.
And if they refuse, then go and arrest them as well.
It's insane to me that we are just sitting back and saying, oh, well, this will all take care of itself.
No, that's how you lose.
That's how you lose the country and eventually lose your lives.
Yeah, this is a one-way ratchet by these Democrats.
And if we don't fight back, if we don't show them power, again, remember these with these Democrats, today's leftists, they don't believe in God, right?
They're godless.
Their God is power on earth.
Their religion, Or their strategy for their goal or god of power on earth is Marxism.
They can't talk about that because that's not very popular.
So they have various tactics or religious sects that they use for their strategy or religion of Marxism for their goal or god of power on earth.
And that is, their sects or their tactics are dividing and conquering.
They do it via race.
Via religion, via sex, via gender—anything that they can to divide and conquer this country.
And the only thing they respect is power.
That's their goal or God.
So if Republicans, if conservatives don't show these leftists power, they're going to keep doing what they're doing.
They are godless.
They do not fear that.
They only fear power.
So we need to show them power.
We need to make sure that they experience the most severe political of financial and legal consequences come November 20th, 2025, the day that President Trump is back in office.
And in the meantime, House Republicans and state AGs and local DAs like the Maricopa County DA, County Attorney, my friend and former colleague out there, we need to step up.
We need to start opening investigations.
They are bringing These charges, they are bringing these convictions, they are putting people in prison for non-crimes.
We need to start going after them for their very serious crimes, including their very serious crime of conspiring to violate the constitutional rights of President Trump, his top aides, and his allies.
18 U.S.C.
Section 241.
Look, if we're going to go after conspiracy against rights, anyone who's involved in illegal aliens voting, illegal aliens coming across the border, anyone who's involved in allowing these things to take place, anyone who's giving amnesty for no reason, I don't care anymore.
I don't care.
Subpoenas and arrests for every single one of them.
I don't care.
I don't care.
Rip the Band-Aid off.
The Band-Aid is gone.
Okay?
It's completely gone.
Rubicon crossed.
Die.
Cast.
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Thank you, Jack.
God bless.
Folks, the communism will not stop until we stop the communists.
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Where is he?
Jack, I want to see you.
Great job, Jack.
Thank you.
What a job you do.
You know, we have an incredible thing.
We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys, and these are the guys should be getting Pulitzer's.
All right, Jack Posobiec, back live now.
Here we are, Human Events Daily.
Now, yesterday was the 80th anniversary of D-Day, and we had a little bit of news yesterday, and so we weren't able to actually dig into that very, very deeply, but I wanted to get on our resident military historian, Patrick K. O'Donnell, because he's got a new book all out about special operations in the Civil War, and essentially how special operations came out of this.
But Patrick, before we get into that, I wanted to ask you, this is my favorite part of D-Day, something that, you know, as a former intelligence officer, something that so many people completely overlook, was the role of the deception campaigns And the role of intelligence operations, which essentially were special operations.
Again, this is prior to SOCOM doesn't exist at that point.
JSOC, you know, it doesn't exist for, you know, many, many years at that point.
But what what was so important about those operations, bodyguard and fortitude?
They're incredibly important.
And well, I mean, first off, the allies crack the the German code with ultra.
In the coding machine.
So they're able to read what the Germans are doing.
But part of that was also the UK intelligence services MI6 and MI5 had captured all of the German spies that were in Great Britain.
And then they put a gun to their head and said, you're either going to cooperate or you're going to die.
And all of these guys cooperated.
And what this is part of something called Operation Double Cross, where they they then took all these agents And then they used them in a massive deception campaign to feed fake information back to the Germans.
And a major aspect of this operation was to convince the Germans that the invasion was going to come at a different time, but also come in a different place at Pas de Calais, which was a shorter route across the English Channel.
That's where the Channel Tunnel is.
If you look at the map, the Channel Tunnel is right there.
It's Calais to Dover, whereas the Normandy beaches, it's actually quite a little bit further away.
It's closer and closer to, I guess, Portsmouth.
Exactly.
And it's here that the Germans are convinced that the Allied invasion is going to come.
They make a huge push with a lot of their fortifications.
They deploy a great number of their forces there.
Believing that the invasion is going to come there, or that it will be a two-pronged invasion, that it will hit there and potentially Normandy.
But they put a big bet on Pas de Calais because of this deception operation through the agents, which they're feeding what's known as sort of chicken feed, which is, in many cases, it's information that is partially correct, that can be verified.
If they have, you know, for instance, if there's German aerial reconnaissance, They will fly over a specific area, and the material that the agent has furnished is considered correct.
Combined with this, they also put in fake tanks and also a dummy army that was created under the command of George Patton, that this was where the invasion was going to take place, and all of it was false, of course.
And this actually becomes a huge part of it because they send Patton to Dover, Patton doesn't end up taking part in the actual Normandy invasion.
He comes, I believe he comes across later.
And then of course, we all know he wanted to, you know, first Berlin, then Moscow, let me go all the way, etc, etc.
But they use Patton and his notoriety from Operation Torch and all the North Africa campaigns, they send him to Dover, because they know that the Germans and whatever spies or whatever information intel assets they have in England are going to be keeping an eye on on Patton to say, oh, this is the guy clearly who's going to lead the invasion.
And they set him up with this fake army.
They stick him in Dover.
They completely separate him on this, as you say, the dummy operation leading a dummy army.
It's one of the most fascinating aspects of D-Day that I think is just completely overlooked.
There's some good movies and documentaries about this.
And when I was in the intel community, I took a few courses on it.
And we did a lot of study into it to really understand why it was that the German forces were split along that Atlantic wall.
Exactly.
And that Atlantic wall was pierced by the Allies at Normandy.
And it was pierced there through Special Operations forces in particular.
It would be the American Rangers that would play a huge role in the Operation Overlord.
And it was, you know, I mean, the thing that I find fascinating is two years prior to that, Jack, we didn't even have Special Operations Forces.
And it's in 1940 that while Bill Donovan, who's then a colonel, then writes a letter to President Roosevelt that this, we need specialized units, and we don't have any.
And he says, he writes, President Roosevelt, America needs bands of guerrilla bands of bold and daring men organized to sew the dragon's teeth behind the lines.
Men calculatingly darest, with discipline daring, were trained for aggressive action.
It will mean a return Through old tradition of the Scouts, Raiders, and Rangers.
And that is exactly the book that I wrote, The Unvanquished.
It's Wild Bill Donovan that comes up with the idea to look back at the first modern American war that the United States had participated in, which is the Civil War.
Because the prior war, which he was involved in, he was a Medal of Honor recipient and a Distinguished Service Cross recipient.
One of the most decorated men of World War I.
There wasn't, you know, an effective way to get through the trench systems.
So he wanted something different.
And they look back at our first modern war, which was the first example.
He looks back at the Jesse Scouts, which I tell in the Unvanquished, as well as John Singleton Mosby's Rangers, but also the Confederate Secret Service.
And this isn't stuff about just taking out wagon trains, Jack.
This is high level intelligence ops and deception ops as well, including Buying off the entire Democratic Party for 1864.
Buying off different press connections in the North to so, you know, dissent the forever war, the Civil War, where the northern editors were largely Democratic and anti-war, and many of these articles were being written or funded by the Confederate Secret Service.
You know, fascinating stuff.
So, and this was a huge, you know, irregular warfare.
You see a lot of these innovations in the Civil War.
And in many ways, it's actually interesting how a lot of the European planners who came over and were watching the Civil War.
And so you had like these lieutenants and, you know, advisors that were coming over and looking at it.
And they said, oh, the Americans just don't understand our discipline and our tactics.
That's why they're resorting to these strange things like irregular warfare and strange things like light infantry, et cetera, et cetera.
And they, because they were still locked in that model of the old, you know, Napoleonic style of warfare where you're going out and they hadn't quite, they hadn't quite acclimated yet.
to firearms and the advent of firearms.
And then, of course, they get a huge wake up call about, you know, 50 or so years later in World War One.
And that's what leads to trench warfare, et cetera, et cetera, and leads to the Western Front being what it is, because it turns out that it isn't the Americans just don't understand tactics.
It's that you need new tactics because of the advent of the Industrial Revolution.
Absolutely.
And this is the first modern war, the Civil War is the first modern war, where many of these tactics and techniques are first tried.
And as we know, in an insurgency during the 20th century or 21st century, they are almost impossible to defeat if they have the support of the civilian population.
And the South had massive support of its armies, even in 1864 and 1865.
And it's the, you know, the South that has to innovate.
Eight Asymmetrically in 1864 to change the course of the war.
And they have some many, many novel operations to do that.
I mean, the Confederate Secret Service, for instance, is a really untold chapter of that secret war of the Civil War.
And they had, for instance, an entire obsession with gadgets.
And there's a whole huge laboratory of different devices that they developed, everything from landmines To little coal torpedoes that could be tossed into a steamboat as it was, you know, they were refueling to, you know, time bombs and even the submarine Hunley.
These are, you know, really some fascinating developments.
I was just going to bring up the Hunley as a, uh, so as a, you know, as a Navy officer.
So for us, the Hunley and the things that it did in terms of being the first submarine really used in, uh, in Naval combat, the way that it was, I would say the, for one of the, probably the first true submarine, there were a few submersibles along the way.
Uh, but this really was the first one we see this of course leads to.
The unrestricted warfare that we see later in World War I, the U-boats, the rise of this, all of it actually goes, people don't even know, all of this goes all the way back to a Confederate, uh, they didn't even call it a submarine, I think they called it an underwater boat or undersea boat at the time, but, uh, and they found it recently, they found it.
So stay tuned, we'll be right back.
We're talking Civil War, we're talking the rise of special operations, new tactics, deception operations.
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We're talking with Patrick O'Donnell, his new book, The Unvanquished.
And Patrick, one of the things that your book talks about is it's really a step change in modern warfare, really going from classical warfare to modern warfare, because that's what the Civil War was.
This was the first modern war that we had with the Industrial Revolution.
People, you know, kind of come around saying, well, the North had trains, et cetera, et cetera.
Yes, but there's a lot more to it than all of that.
One interesting piece, though, That I wanted to bring up, and Producer Faz mentioned over the break, that we're kind of going through one of those right now on the battlefield.
If you look at Russia, Ukraine, we're going through a new step change in technology and modern combat and modern tactics.
With the advent of drones, AI, technology, we're now going into digital warfare.
Talk to me a little bit about how warfare takes new technology and adapts it and compresses it.
It absolutely compresses it in a very short period of time.
You see this in most conflicts, World War II in particular.
Germany was a master of this.
In a very, very short period of time, this compression effect, they were able to produce incredible technology that after the war, oh by the way, we sent in teams to suck up all of this technology and it was a major element of our Cold War Uh, technology and the space program.
The teams of scientists went in and sucked up everything from, you know, industrial tech, from cameras to, to, to radar developments, to rockets, et cetera, and then utilize this in our post-war economy.
But in the Ukraine, you see this in particular where, you know, ISR, the entire battlefield is exposed through satellite technology and other digital imaging.
And all of it is then reconnect is connected in many ways to artillery to drones, where everything is, you can be lethally dealt with.
It's it is a very, you know, we're definitely seeing a step change within Ukraine, for sure.
And so when we're going through one of these things, I mean, there really is a lot of trial and error, I've noticed.
And now you've got a situation where, and all credit to Eric Prince for throwing this out, he says what drones have done are take the concept of the IED, so the improvised explosive device that was used to great effect on the battlefields of the Middle East during the global war on terror, now suddenly the IED is mobile.
It's aerial.
It has targeting.
And really, other than, you know, shotguns and, you know, a little bit of electronic warfare, EW, there isn't very much way to stop them.
Well, we are we are seeing these counter drone technology take place with lasers and as you mentioned, jamming effects, et cetera, because with every innovation, there is a counter move, just like in wrestling, you know, where the both sides are changing, are able to adapt.
But this is, you know, we're seeing more swarm technology where, you know, drones are getting smaller.
They're able to infiltrate different, you know, battle spaces.
They're able to go into a bunker, for instance, or a sealed bunker that may only have a small aperture and then destroy whatever's in there.
Yeah, this is an extremely, you know, perilous time.
And what you also see is, you know, the The adaptability of the Russian Army is just extraordinary as well.
I mean this is a situation where they have fully adapted and have gotten much stronger since the beginning of the war, unfortunately.
In addition, something that I have to ask, because since we're on the subject, I always talk about this, is that these innovations aren't only applicable to Ukraine-Russia.
Every military in the world is watching this.
Everyone's paying attention.
So now all of a sudden, you're starting to see what?
The Houthis are using this to effectively close off parts of the Red Sea.
The first time we've seen a naval blockade conducted from land.
And you know who else is paying attention to it?
China vis-a-vis their machinations and their look and strategic threat picture towards Taiwan.
Something that I think would be particularly vulnerable to a drone swarm attack would unfortunately be a U.S.
aircraft carrier.
Absolutely.
And what you see is, you know, one of the questions I always ask about before writing any book is, who cares?
Why should I care?
Irregular warfare is changing our lives.
It's constantly impacting us.
All you have to do, as you mentioned, is you look at the Persian Gulf.
You look at Iran's irregular forces, which are, you know, quite extraordinary.
It's something I felt personally when I was in the Battle of Fallujah.
I saw men die because of the hidden hand of Iran.
And they're very effective.
A regular warfare that they mastered with everything from the Houthis to other, you know, Hezbollah and other groups that are out there running around.
And as you mentioned, it's also information warfare.
And the book, The Unvanquished, gets into, you know, we talk about election interference.
All of these things are what's old is new.
And the Confederate Secret Service mastered many of these techniques.
And it's what the OSS looked at in World War II.
And I'm just absolutely fascinated by the election of 1864 was arguably one of the most important elections in American history.
And it was during this summer of 1864 that Washington, D.C.
was almost taken by Jubal early.
Chambersburg burned.
Mosby was on the rise, burning wagon trains left and right, hundreds of them.
And the war was looking very, very poorly for the North.
And the Democrats at this time were on the rise.
Their convention is in 1864 in Chicago.
And it looks like, I mean, President Lincoln says to his cabinet, you think I'm going to be beat?
I know I'm going to be beat, and badly.
And he actually, to his credit, he allows the election to go forward.
And he even has the members of his cabinet sign something called the Blind Memo.
Which they don't even know what they're signing, but it says that they will respect the results of the election and then work with the incoming president.
But at the same time, they will pursue the war very aggressively.
You know, fascinating time.
Within this period, though, the Confederate Secret Service is influencing the Democratic Party.
And I mean, the most their greatest coup, which has never really been reported, is they write the campaign platform for 1864, which is an armistice, which is to basically negotiate with the South to end the war through an armistice.
And, you know, on the surface, it would be an armistice that would just be a temporary ceasefire.
But they knew that it was almost impossible to reactivate the war.
And with it, there would have been an independent South.
Absolutely fascinating.
Just about out of time here for the episode.
Patrick, we've got to get you back on.
I want to pick your mind so much more about military tactics.
I think about this constantly.
Where can people go to get the book?
I'm at Combat Historian Barnes & Noble, and then all the reviews are on Amazon.com.
It's a best-selling book.
All right, folks, if you don't understand military history, combat history, you need to because I'm very interested in you.
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