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May 30, 2024 - Human Events Daily - Jack Posobiec
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TRUMP TRIAL VERDICT WATCH: DAY 2 - THE ROGUE JUROR THEORY

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After roughly four and a half hours of deliberations yesterday, the jury in Donald Trump's criminal hush money trial started back day two with a readback of witness testimony before returning to deliberate.
They have to be unanimous that the business records here were falsified, and that is the crime that was charged.
With respect to what makes falsification of business records a felony, they also have to be unanimous that Trump intended to conceal a conspiracy to promote his own election in 2016.
And they have to be unanimous that he did so, or that the conspiracy was through unlawful means.
Pennsylvania yesterday, President Biden was there with Vice President Kamala Harris rallying in Philadelphia.
The event was the launch of the campaign's planned outreach, a big enthusiastic event speaking to black voters.
Because black Americans voted.
McConnell and I are President and Vice President of the United States because of you.
That's not hyperbole.
With respect to Judge Marchand, I mean, I felt like a man crush on him.
He is such a great judge that it's hard to see that the jurors wouldn't have the same impression.
And he's just, you just keep on thinking if you looked in a dictionary for like judicial temperament, that's what you get.
But I just want to say that This is a very sad day for America.
The whole world is watching.
And it's a very sad day for New York.
I've gone through two of these trials already.
It's a very... with the same kind of a judge.
It's all worked.
It's all rigged.
The whole thing, the whole system is rigged.
Judge Angoran was overturned five times in my case.
And he's going to be overturned again.
And we were treated very, very badly.
And the outside world is watching.
And the outside world is just not going to bring their business to New York.
And that's...
It's gonna cost the city trillions, and the state trillions and trillions of dollars.
Businesses are leaving, and people are fleeing.
What's the matter with you?
I have a reasonable doubt now.
I've never been warned.
Well, what about all the other evidence?
What about all that stuff?
The knife, the whole business?
- Well, you said we could throw out all the other evidence. - Well, what are we doing now?
You're alone.
I don't care whether I'm alone or not.
It's my right.
It's your right.
What do you want?
I say he's guilty.
I want to hear your arguments.
I gave you my arguments.
We're not convinced.
You want to hear them again?
About guilty.
About guilty.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily here, Washington, D.C.
Today is May 30th, 2024.
Anno Domini.
Not guilty!
Guilty!
Acquitted!
Never guilty.
Always guilty.
See, it's very obvious what the media has done here.
They have always held to the presupposition that Donald Trump is guilty.
Remember, Donald Trump has been guilty to the mainstream media, to the regime, from day one.
Since November 8, 2016, Donald Trump has been guilty in the eyes of every institution in this country.
They called him an illegitimate president.
They said from day one, That he was a Russian agent.
They ran false investigations against him claiming he was a Russian agent.
They went after General Michael Flynn.
Mike Pence perpetuated that lie.
They went after everything this man did.
Because the only thing Donald Trump is actually guilty of is beating them at their own game and standing up for the American people.
But they'll claim he's guilty of everything.
They'll call him a rapist.
They'll call him a liar.
They're running around calling him a racist again.
Yep, Trump is Hitler again.
Must be winning.
Every time Trump is doing well, they drop a new scandal on him.
And so, the dirty little secret is this, folks.
When you are living under a regime, and when you are living in an era of regime politics, you must understand, just like during COVID, That anything the regime tells you is going to be a self-serving lie.
This doesn't serve justice.
This doesn't serve the people.
And I'm shocked, by the way, that more Americans are not calling it out for what it is.
This is a Stalinistic show trial.
And the leading candidate for the presidency of the United States has been taken off of the campaign trail by state force because of a lie and a ginned-up political prosecution.
That's what we have going on here.
My apologies, Daniel Conrad.
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You know, you talk about influences.
These are influences and they're friends of mine.
Jack, where's Jack?
Jack, he's done a great job.
All right, Jack, we're back live.
I'm here in Washington, D.C., but I want to take you live to the steps of the Trump courthouse.
We've got Andrew Giuliani, who just stepped out of that courthouse.
Andrew, tell us what's going on and tease out for us some more this rogue juror theory, the idea that there might be a lone holdout or potentially more holdouts that are going on.
What's the latest?
Yeah, Jack.
Well, a couple of interesting things that happened this morning as the jury asked the judge, Mershon, to re-read some of the instructions to them.
One of the instructions that the jury asked to have re-read was this unconstitutional idea that really flies in the face of unanimous consent.
I rarely read, but I think this is too important to actually paraphrase.
Judge Mershon said, although you must conclude unanimously that the defendant violated New York state election law, You need not be unanimous on what those unlawful means are.
You may consider the following.
Federal elections violations, falsification of other business records, or three, the violation of tax law.
Jack, that flies right in the face of 800 years of jurisprudence and really unanimous consent when you look at it.
And that's a little bit of what we were talking about yesterday.
The fact that that was re-read to the jury today, I thought was fascinating.
It kind of goes into that theory of, hey, they don't all need to say that he violated tax laws.
They don't need to all say that he violated federal election laws.
Or that he falsified business records.
A couple can say this, a few more could say that, and a few could say that, and they can get to guilty.
That totally flies in the face of unanimous consent, and hence is unconstitutional.
In terms of the rogue jury theory, I do have another piece of information that happened today at one point.
While they were reading back the testimony of Michael Cohen, what Cohen testified happened at the Trump Tower meeting in August, That same juror who just the other day while Steinglass was giving his hours-long summation put his head in his hands and I think that's the same juror that the Trump team is looking at.
He ended up looking at President Trump, was the only one who was looking at President Trump.
It was not with a scowl on his face during that testimony and there's a little nugget that we have from inside the courtroom.
So that's the same individual, this is that rogue juror, let's not say the juror number right now, but this is that same individual you said yesterday, head in the hands, this was the one that there was a report yesterday talking about making the eye contact, lighting up when JD Vance comes in the room, Ana Paulina Luna.
We're on day two.
We're getting pretty close to the end of day two.
Tomorrow's Friday.
Do we have any indication as to whether or not or what those deliberations might be?
I'm sure they're taking test votes, things like that.
What's your take actually being there on the ground?
My take is this is going to last to tomorrow, could even last to Monday.
When you think about what they actually asked for, what the jury asked to have read back, the testimony of Pecker, comparing that with the testimony of the proclaimed by Todd Banch, Greatest liar of all time, that being Michael Cohen.
So obviously we're comparing the two of those things right there.
I think, again, that shows that at least there is some conflict in the jury box.
Of course, we don't know if that conflict is 11 versus 1.
We don't know if it's 9 versus 3.
That's all just speculation there.
But I do think that this is going to take longer than this afternoon.
We're likely looking into tomorrow.
If not, into a new week.
And at this point, Mershawn, if we get to tomorrow afternoon, Mershawn's gonna have to take a look at the jury, see how many are actually holding out, see what their reasoning is, and make a determination whether or not he wants to go to another week on this stuff, or whether this thing's gonna end up as a hung jury.
Alright, Andrew Giuliani, appreciate your doing the yeoman's work down there.
We'll come back to you and the Real America's Voice team as we get more information.
Appreciate it.
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I want to bring up now Gavin Wax, who's with the New York Young Republicans.
Gavin, you're there.
You're in the city.
Tell me, what's the mood of the city as we're waiting for the jury to come back?
Well, listen, I think you obviously have a huge segment of the population here.
The, you know, the readers of the New York Times, the members of the resistance, the so-called resistance movement of the liberal Democrat machine here in New York.
They're obviously waiting very patiently for a result that favors them and their political aspirations, which involve jailing the leader of the opposition.
So obviously that cohort of New York is certainly very excited.
Uh, for the nonsense that's going on down at Center Street, uh, where the courthouse was located, but many other New Yorkers, whether they're Trump supporters or even people on the fence, they obviously are, uh, you know, waiting a little bit more anxiously hoping, uh, that, you know, the last vestiges of our Republic and our, uh, legal system and our constitutional order can be upheld maybe through a hung jury, maybe through one courageous soul who's willing to break through all the narratives and the, uh, you know, the, the,
The mass media narrative formation.
But you know, I think a lot of people right now are, you know, just sort of waiting anxiously.
I think the entire country's on edge, New York especially.
And now, let me get you to weigh in on this because I know you haven't been covering the trial directly, but you've seen a lot of what's going on and been part of the Real America's Voice coverage.
What is your sense on what we're calling today's episode, the rogue juror theory?
This idea that there may be this juror who's a holdout that got through there and just doesn't believe anything Alvin Bragg is saying and is actually favorable to the defense.
Yeah, I mean, I've heard one Roger.
I've heard maybe two that are skeptical.
We only need one.
I think it's very plausible.
I think, you know, the longer this goes on without reaching a verdict, the more, you know, the stronger the possibility grows for a hung jury.
But listen, I think the judge is going to use any and all tactics available to him, whether they, you know, break precedent or not, whether they break, you know, hundreds of years of common law tradition.
I don't think he cares.
I think he has one goal in mind, and that is to convict Trump by any means necessary.
I mean, this guy has absolutely no respect for the law.
I mean, he's about as corrupt of a judge as they come, not even born in this country, you know, born in Colombia, moves here.
Now he's, you know, presiding over a case to potentially jail the leader of the opposition, the leading candidate for the president I mean, this entire thing is a farce and it may come down to just one or two jurors.
I think there's a strong and distinct possibility of that.
I mean, listen, if you're assembling, you know, 12 jurors, you know, New York still has between 25 to 33 percent of the population citywide is potentially Republican, or at least votes Republican occasionally, whether for Trump or otherwise.
Obviously in Manhattan that number is even less, but there's still a slight possibility you could get someone who's sensible on that jury, who's not willing to go along and be pressured into a conviction.
But I think this theory is only going to hold water if this goes on the longer this goes on for.
It's certainly going to have to go into next week.
I know the process to do that involves a lot of back and forth where the judge constantly tries to get a verdict out of them.
They would really have to stay strong and committed to push through all the pressure that they're probably under.
This juror is probably under from the remaining, you know, set of jurors.
But listen, we're going to hope for a miracle here and for the future of our country.
Now, that being said, you know, there's different scenarios.
If he's acquitted, I think that's probably the biggest surprise.
Also, probably the longest shot right now.
A hung jury or a holdout.
If it were anyone else other than Trump, I don't know that I would bet on it.
But with Trump, you can always bet on the unexpected.
What's your sense, though?
Let's say he's found guilty.
Do you think this will actually have an effect on the election?
No, I actually don't.
I think if anything, it'll help him.
But I think most people have already baked into their, you know, their preferences.
The fact that President Trump is most likely going to be convicted.
I think, you know, all the impact from these indictments and cases happened at the point of the indictment.
I mean, at this point, I don't think a conviction would really make much of a difference.
I think it'll embolden his base.
I think it'll actually potentially win over some people sitting on the fence.
But I don't think it's actually going to move the needle.
Anyone who is planning to vote for Trump As of today, through all these indictments, through all these criminal proceedings, through the civil case, through all this nonsense, you know, I don't believe that there's really anyone that any statistical number of people, a statistically significant number of people, would view the outcome of this trial in Manhattan with a conviction and say, oh, I'm no longer voting for President Trump.
I think quite the opposite.
So while that's, I think, a good thing electorally, I still think we have, you know, this unprecedented situation where a president may be locked behind bars at Rikers.
I mean, who knows what this judge is gonna try to do right after a verdict is reached and let's say it is a conviction.
So electorally, I think we're in a pretty strong position.
We gotta continue to hold the line and be diligent, but this judge is such a loose cannon, who knows what he'll do. - Yeah, no, I'm right there with you.
It's kind of this situation where we're playing the waiting game of trying to figure out if we can read between the tea leaves.
Was somebody making positive eye contact or negative eye contact?
Was this... And it's like you said, I think it's just a joke.
And I think the vast majority of Americans look at this as an absolute joke.
There's no juice coming out of this for the Biden campaign.
They know this.
The juice has been squeezed because it's a complete farce.
You don't have the goods.
Stay tuned.
Come back with more.
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Gavin Wax, we're back up on this Verdict Watch and I have to say that I genuinely, genuinely, generally, I generally agree with you because I think that this is kind of baked into it.
This idea that Trump's team and his campaign as well as his legal team have accurately framed this as the Legal machinations of an out of control regime.
And so if this is a show trial, that means the verdict is presupposed.
We have a predetermined verdict, there's a predetermined judge, there's a predetermined outcome.
And so if the outcome is predetermined, and that's the outcome that occurs, that's not really something that anyone is going to be surprised by.
But, and again, I mean, how many of these trials and scandals and investigations of Trump have there been since the man first actually started running for office almost a decade ago?
I think, and let me throw it to you on this, I think the American people are not going to vote on the outcome of some ridiculous sham trial.
They are going to vote based on how their bank accounts are doing, based on how their country is doing, and based on how their families are doing.
I couldn't agree with you more, Jack.
I think President Trump has already won in the court of public opinion, the court that really matters for this upcoming election, not this kangaroo court in lower Manhattan.
So I have to give kudos to his team and him himself for being able to message on the issues that matter, being able to frame this correctly.
Very few Republicans Would have been able to withstand these types of attacks that President Trump is under.
And again, that's why the system is going after him to such a degree.
That's why they're throwing their full weight at him because he's the only Republican that could actually withstand the full weight of this corrupt and rotten regime and still come on top winning, still be leading in the polls, still being able to swing back and do it in a funny and uplifting way.
That's what makes him such a powerful You know, some people still don't grasp that, but hopefully people will start to recognize what time it is, the type of country we're now living in.
You know, you could describe this as a banana republic, you could describe this as a lot of things, but what's happening again in lower Manhattan is an absolute disgrace.
The way that this judge has been behaving throughout this trial has been nothing short of a disgrace, and anyone who's been following this, even on CNN of all places, they've been reporting on this and basically admitting that this case basically has no legs, that it's very weak, and that the, you know, this entire prosecution is resting on the, resting on the word of a known perjurer, of a known fraud, of an income poop known as Michael Cohen.
So even if you're getting your news from CNN, you probably saw a side of this entire trial that most people would not want you to see because it actually shows how ridiculous it So I think most Americans have woken up.
I think we've had a complete destruction of trust in our institutions over the last few years, for better or for worse, starting with COVID and only accelerating since then.
Actually, starting before COVID, accelerating through COVID and continuing to the present day.
So we're, you know, we're no longer a high-trust society.
We're no longer a country with this great amount of national unity or a national consensus.
We're a society that is becoming increasingly very skeptical of our institutions.
We're no longer worshipping these institutions like we once did or holding them in such high regard.
And maybe that's a good thing.
Maybe that's a healthy response to these elites that have really, you know, gone insane on their own power.
So what we're seeing again on Center Street and Lower Manhattan is an absolute disgrace.
And I'm hoping, I'm hoping, That we can at least get a hung jury out of this.
I think that would be the most plausible result and the best result that we can hope for right now.
I think you're right.
I want to go quickly to some comments here.
Pixie Cox writes, I pray whoever is holding this up stands his ground and refuses the pressure of those that want to do evil.
May there be one godly person who believes in the rule of law and doesn't twist it.
80s Aaron, one juror has a truth social account.
That person is outside of the matrix.
Might be a digger who is well researched on deep state tactics.
Look, Trump represents hope.
Hope for the American dream.
Hope for our traditions.
And right now, MAGA is holding onto the hope of this one rogue juror standing up for the man who has stood up for us so many times.
And there really is something about Trump where he represents, you know, it's all this, you know, Gavin, and you know what I'm talking about.
It represents this sort of nostalgia.
It represents a turn back to, you know, 1980s America, a more masculine America, but an America where women were free to be women at the same time, at a time where America meant limitless horizons.
And I mean, Gavin, tell people what the symbolism of 1980s New York and 1980s Donald Trump have combined.
mind.
Well, listen, I mean, Trump was New York in the 80s.
I mean, that was Wolf of Wall Street.
That was, you know, just all these power brokers, these empire builders, these tycoons.
It was all the excess of American capitalism at the end of the Cold War.
I mean, there was a lot of good vibes.
Like you said, the horizon seemed limitless.
You know, we were building, we were growing, we were innovating.
It was a country on the move.
It was a country moving forward.
It was a country that was basically reaching the zenith of its power.
You know, we would achieve that not much long after that with the fall of the Soviet Union in the early 90s.
Of course, we know the story from there.
We squandered it.
We squandered Pax Americana.
Shortly thereafter, opened the borders, deindustrialized, sent our jobs overseas, got involved in countless forever wars that, you know, just completely burned through American blood and treasure for nothing.
But, you know, the 80s, the early 90s, I mean, that still was the peak.
That was when President Trump was really coming into his own as a national figure, as a leader in business, a leader in real estate.
And I think there is an element of nostalgia there.
I think a lot of people, particularly the younger generations, but also the older generations, are yearning Uh, for an America that no longer exists.
It's an America that they grew up in, but no longer exists as the, uh, as the famous meme goes.
But I think, you know, that could be used to our advantage.
I think people understand that the times we're living in are not normal.
Uh, they're not exactly pleasant.
They're not exactly hopeful.
Uh, there's a lot of anxiety in the air.
There's a lot of fear.
There's a lot of, uh, just, just, uh, emotions running high for a variety of reasons.
And I think people, even if they're not Exactly.
On top of the news, on top of the latest events, following everything as closely as you or I, I think they recognize that something's not right.
Something's not normal.
And we're entering into some dangerous and scary and dark times for our country and Western civilization as a whole.
And they can gaslight about this all they want.
They can, they can manipulate the data and the statistics.
They can, you know, Hector us and tell us that we don't know what we're talking about, but at the end of the day, All of that is for naught because people are waking up, it's reflected in the polls, and it's reflected in the popular sentiment.
And that's a huge part that they don't want to talk about.
They'd much rather talk about that, and you go to, I've got to get your response, and I'll respond too, this guy Weissman over on MSNBC, he's got a man crush on Judge Juan Marchand, saying, oh, every ruling has been fantastic.
I mean, he is ecstatic.
This guy's like having an orgasm over on MSNBC, talking about how happy he is that finally his show trial is going forward.
Remember, this is the guy that ran the Mueller prosecution that was shut down.
Yeah, listen, I mean, I have a silver lining here.
I mean, Weisman is kind of, you know, gives me a little bit of relief because he's such a caricature.
He's such a joke.
He's such a sad excuse of a man.
reaching its culmination.
Gavin, your take. - Yeah, listen, I mean, I have a silver lining here.
I mean, Weissman is kind of, you know, gives me a little bit of relief 'cause he's such a caricature, he's such a joke, he's such a sad excuse of a man.
I mean, I really think the people that are really pushing this thing are high on their own supply.
They're full of hubris.
They're arrogant.
And I think also they're just really overplaying their hand.
And it's a sign of incompetence.
I think these are not the most serious, you know, actors and operators that we envision when we think of some of the deep state.
I think these are extremely emotional, extremely deluded individuals who are, you know, driven by not only an ideology, but just driven by emotion.
And, you know, like you said, this weird Maybe this weird sexual angle.
We're not exactly sure.
But regardless, these are not exactly... Hey, he said it, man.
Mancrush.
He said it.
It's true.
It's true.
If these are our enemies, you know, I think we're in okay shape.
You know, we could be dealing with far more serious individuals.
But Weissman just kind of shows and is the perfect encapsulation of this sort of, you know, a Fed liberal elite that have run this country and destroyed it and run into the ground.
You know, they live in places like New York, San Francisco, Chicago, LA, DC, etc.
They're very out of touch.
They're very disconnected.
They live in a bubble.
They're in a cult.
That's why they project so much about, you know, cults being the MAGA side.
They're the ones in an actual cult.
You know, they have no religion.
They don't believe in a higher power.
So they've replaced it with this, you know, this new worship of their, you know, ideological, you know, pillars of nihilism and Marxism and globalism and every other ism you can imagine.
So I think, you know, they're dangerous in one hand because they're so shameless and they're so, you know, You know, out for blood.
But on the other hand, these are deeply unserious people.
These are people that are, you know, like we saw on that MSNBC clip, you know, just kind of laughable.
But we still have to keep our guard up and we still have to understand that we're fighting a, not a rational enemy, we're fighting an enemy that's willing to destroy the entire country to hang on to power.
So if we can understand that calculus, if we can understand the time we're living in, we'll be in much better shape.
The sad part is, Reciprocity.
many Republicans do not understand the time we're living in.
They do not understand that calculus.
They're far more content to go along, to get along, to appease their donors, to make a buck, to grift, and just to ride this thing to the bitter end.
But I think we need a new type of mentality that's going to go after these people 10 times as hard as they came after us, because that's the only way we're going to return to normal America.
Reciprocity needs to be returned.
Reciprocity.
We are the party of reciprocity.
And there's a reason that Trump is now up 10 plus points with independence in the new Marist poll.
Gavin Wax, thank you so much for your work, sir.
We'll be right back.
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Thank you.
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Alright, Jack Posobiec back live, Human Events Daily.
We go now back live to the steps of the courthouse right on the street.
We've got the great Ben Berquam, who's been there for the entire duration.
Ben, let me hear it from you, man.
What's your sense on, we've been asking everyone about this, what's your sense on this rogue juror theory?
Yeah, it's nuts.
I mean, well, it's actually not nuts.
It's almost like the analogy with what's going on on our southern border.
The whole thing is nuts.
The situation is nuts.
Yes.
It's all nuts.
But it's just like our southern border.
People say, well, why would anyone do that?
Why would you allow open borders on your southern border if you are a sovereign nation?
Well, clearly, it's to destroy your country from within.
And the same thing here, to me, is the exact same kind of analogy.
It's why would you allow this smorgasbord, choose your own adventure option for a jury?
Well, clearly it's because you want the outcome that you set this entire trial up to get.
And I don't see it any other way.
If you can say, well, I think the crime was this, someone else can say, I think the crime was that, a third person can say, I think the crime was this, and somehow that's unity in a decision, that's unanimous vote.
It's just insane.
I've never heard anything like that, but it goes right along with what we have here in this kangaroo court right behind me, that it goes along with the fact that Joe Biden, the Democrats are simply using this to tear down President Trump.
They don't even care.
They know they're going to lose this on appeal, I believe.
If they find President Trump guilty, that's the only thing they care about is the word guilty, conviction.
They can go out and say President Trump is unfit for office.
They're going to be able to campaign from now until November, even if it gets overturned.
And then the other side of that, Jack, is then you've got the Nikki Haley's and the RINO's establishment Republicans of the world saying, oh, see, we told you President Trump shouldn't be the nominee.
We're going right into the RNC convention.
We need to choose somebody else, somebody more mainstream, like Nikki Haley, and you're going to have that.
It's twofold.
You're going to have the RINO establishment backstabbing Republicans, and then you're going to have the Democrats campaign on this.
They don't even care.
They know it's a fraud.
They're just simply using it for their own political reasons.
Now, so what about this idea then of a holdout?
You know, maybe one holdout juror.
Have you seen anything like that?
People are saying that, you know, there was one juror who had his head in his hands during the summation of the prosecution because it went on for five hours.
And they're saying that there's a guy who, and it's the same juror who, you know, and obviously there's a lot of tea reading going on, but he was making eye contact with Trump during the trial, letting up when J.D.
Vance and others came into the room.
What's your sense of that?
Well, like you said, it's reading through the tea leaves.
I will say this, being in the courtroom, you get to read the jurors.
And my take on most of the jurors from most of the trial was mostly disinterest.
I mean, you know, I saw them sometimes paying attention to the witness, sometimes paying attention to the prosecution, sometimes paying attention to the defense.
But mostly they were as bored as I was.
I mean, that's the way I saw it.
I you know, my guess is that most of the jurors went in there with the expectation that they were going to convict no matter what.
The big question, as you said, is is there one and hopefully two?
You know, one is one is great, but two, you have that that strength in numbers and you can back each other up because if there's only one, you know, they're going to do everything they can to wear that person down and try to get them to decide with them.
I do.
There's no question about it.
Same thing.
I saw a juror when they were playing the tape of Michael Cohen.
Praising Alvin Bragg there was a female juror brunette female juror that looked at Alvin Bragg he was actually in the courtroom that day two days ago and she looked at him and smiled and was as like smiling in acknowledgement to Alvin Bragg so you have you definitely have that on the left from my my interpretation but man I'm praying I'm praying hard that there is somebody in there with the courage to do what's right
So you're saying you actually saw the opposite take place that a juror who was favorable to... Wait, say that again.
She looked at Alvin Bragg or was it at Colangelo?
At Alvin Bragg.
So this was actually, it wasn't Colangelo doing the... It was during the defense and President Trump's attorney was actually replaying Michael Cohen's own words, basically showing how he's profiteering off of this entire trial and the fact that President Trump has been gagged But this guy is making money and lying to everyone.
And they played the audio clip of Michael Cohen bragging about how great Bragg was, that Bragg is tearing down President Trump, that Bragg's going to put President Trump in prison.
And then as that was playing, I was sitting in the back row of the courtroom.
I had a clear shot of her.
She was the fourth juror from the far side of me in the front row.
And Alvin Bragg was on the left side of the courtroom.
He was second in on like the second or third row.
And so basically I had a direct line of sight.
She looked, she was listening to the defense, listening to the audio, she looked directly at Alvin Bragg, she smiled and shook her head.
And I couldn't see what Alvin Bragg's response was, but there was a clear, direct interaction there.
So, smiled, shook her head, almost, no obviously Alvin Bragg's name is coming up in court, Did it appear to you as though there may have been some rapport there, as if they had maybe had had some kind of conversation outside the courtroom?
I couldn't say that.
What it looked like to me was her saying—looking at him saying, I like it.
I agree with the audio.
I agree with what I'm hearing.
Thank you.
It was kind of the acknowledgment that I would do as President Trump.
I do the same thing.
As President Trump's walking out of the courtroom, as often as I can get eye contact with him, I look up, I shake my head, I smile, I say thank you.
To me, it was the same thing.
It was her saying thank you to Alvin Bragg.
Basically, with the acknowledgement, and you're saying this was specifically when Cohen was talking about Trump going to prison?
Correct.
Correct.
So that's, I mean, that's absolutely huge.
So you've got someone who's responding favorably to a phrase of someone saying, a guy who's, you know, who's Michael Cohen's already convicted perjurer, liar, disbarred, all this, who's saying that his goal in this, walk me through again, what exactly, I feel like I'm the jury now, I'm asking for the testimony again.
So what, so he's saying that, what was the context of him saying Trump would go to prison?
They were playing the audio from one of his TikToks, where he was celebrating basically the fact that President Trump is finally going to get the justice that he deserves, that Alvin Bragg is the hero that is going to do it.
He is President Trump.
He'll always be President Trump.
He is the president, yes.
And he's going to be president again.
It doesn't matter what happens in there.
What's that?
He's no more president than Obama is president.
You can call Obama president.
Wait, wait.
Leave him on.
Leave him on.
Let him talk.
Let him talk.
Yeah, come here.
Let him talk.
Come on.
Yeah, come here.
Well, then come here.
I don't need to come here.
You don't have to, but you came and interrupted me.
He wants to be famous.
Let's make him famous.
I tried.
I tried, Jack.
I tried.
People want to be famous, man.
People want to be famous until you actually say you want to have a conversation.
This happens every time, man.
They'll come up and they'll say something snide, and then you'll be like, alright, let's talk, let's talk it out.
So what was he saying?
He's not President Trump?
Yeah, yeah.
He heard me say President Trump.
So that was the definition of Trump Derangement Syndrome.
We talked about it with Joanne Reid yesterday.
There was another example of it right there.
And I should have followed up with, do you know you have Trump Derangement Syndrome?
Anyways.
But as that was happening, so just to get back on the question of what was happening.
I will just say this real quick based on what just happened.
It goes to show you that that's the basic mood of people when you walk down the street in that jury pool of people when it comes to That's right.
call him president.
They get so mad.
They get so triggered.
They get so emotionally disturbed when they hear the words, president Trump, that they can't even acknowledge it.
And to hear someone say it causes them probably physical anger and physical or physical pain and physical, physical anguish because they had to acknowledge that he, this, this is how gaslighted and psyoped and brainwashed so many of these people are that to even hear someone use the phrase president Trump causes them to react in such ways.
He starts screaming at you, he starts yelling at you.
Some guy, you're just doing your job, standing there on the street.
With a jury of people like this, that's why I think a lot of it comes down to the holdout juror.
Last minute on you, Ben.
That's right.
Yeah, so that's it.
Again, to answer the question, there's no doubt you've got a jury.
90% of the electorate, the electoral body in this area, are Democrats.
There's no doubt they're mostly Democrats on that.
Again, I witnessed a direct interaction between one of those jurors and Alvin Bragg when Michael Cohen's testimony was being played about putting President Trump in prison.
Again, it's anecdotal.
Who knows where that goes?
But the prayer is that there are at least one, if not two, if not more, And maybe some that have their eyes open through this process, that the entire thing was a political sham.
That's the prayer.
All right, Ben Burquamp.
Stay safe out there, man.
I don't know if we're gonna have to get you some security.
It's gonna be more rough than the Derry Gap out there.
I got Angel Armies everywhere I go, brother.
Angel Armies, brother.
All right.
God bless, Ben.
I'll talk to you soon.
Be right back, folks.
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Very excited to bring on our next guest.
It's actually a partner here on the show.
His name is John Santos.
You guys know about his company.
We've been talking about them for a long time.
My dad, by the way, as everyone knows, keeps stealing my blackout coffee.
He's dipping it into my stash.
I keep hiding it, but then he'll come over to see the grandkids and he'll find it.
So I had to bring on John Santos, the founder.
John, Why is it that my dad won't stop stealing my blackout coffee?
Jack, thank you for having me.
That is hilarious that he likes... I believe he likes the Dark Rose, right?
The Brutal Awakening?
It's the Brutal... That's right!
He watches.
He's a fan.
Yeah, it's the Brutal Awakening.
I don't know what... And my dad, he's a coffee connoisseur.
He's a Philly guy.
So, I mean, he's been drinking coffee for a long time.
And so he knows something good when he sees it.
That's good.
That's good.
That is actually one of our first roasts that we came up with.
We started about six years ago and we started from home and Brutal Awakening, Morning Reaper are the two first roasts that we came up with.
And that was something that we created, my wife and I, and we went from our home to about 800 square feet of facility.
And about five years ago, we were actually roasting not even a thousand pounds a day, a month, sorry.
And fast forward today, we are at about 65,000 pounds a month of coffee, which is great.
And Brutal Waking is actually our top seller.
Yeah, I mean, we started Black Owl Coffee mostly because we couldn't find good coffee.
We really didn't like what was out there.
A lot of politics, These big companies just don't share our values.
So we decided to start our own thing.
And our customers have been amazing.
I mean we have been we have over 300000 customers now and most of them have been with us since the beginning.
And that's just awesome to have such a following such support.
Now, what was it that made you want to get into the conservative space?
Obviously, there's a lot of, you know, there's a lot of different shows out there.
There's a lot going on.
Live streaming is all over.
It's the Rage podcast, etc.
But you made a specific decision as a company to get into that space.
Why is that?
Everything that's going on and we are very conservative in our house.
We actually, my wife homeschools the kids.
And we are all about family and we support the Second Amendment, the military, we have actually a couple programs.
For an example, we have a couple different coffees, like the GOA Governors of America, the Firearms Policy Coalition, where we donate $2 for every bag that it's sold, and that goes to fight for the Second Amendment rights.
Our partner, Jared Yannis, he's also he's got a channel and he advocates for the two way rights as well.
So we we grew up in the film from military family.
Sorry.
And we are very I mean, our thoughts align exactly with the conservative people.
And that's where we stand.
And that's that's absolutely incredible because, you know, we just were in the verdict watch now with the Trump trial.
We're seeing all these crazy things going on in our country.
You know, most of the time, I think I think Americans, you know, you take take the politics and the personalities out of it.
Most people just want to see if we're in an election, they want to see a fair election.
They don't want to see somebody getting persecuted and being gone after like this.
People would rather say, hey, let's have a debate.
Let's let's get some votes.
Let's go do it.
But it seems like at some point in our country, we we we have this left that says we don't want the other side to even exist.
And we're going to try to get rid of them.
Yeah, they actually keep trying to cancel us.
I hate emails all day, especially about the Second Amendment.
if you support the First Amendment, if you support any of the things that we're talking about, they're going to try to get rid of all of those things rather than everyone sit together and realize that we live in the same country.
Yeah, they actually keep trying to cancel us.
Hate emails all day, especially about the Second Amendment.
There was just an article published, some newspaper that actually you were named on, just talking trash about us.
And because of being conservative in our values.
Uh, we were on Steven Colbert's night show.
I don't watch that, but somebody told me about it.
And I, I saw that he, he was just talking, uh, making fun of our coffee and the reason, the reasons, all the values that we support.
Um, I mean, the Biden administration is killing America.
I don't understand.
Between the borders open, the tax hikes, the regulations.
I mean, for small businesses, it's just a lot of business.
Even Florida is doing so well.
We are in Florida.
I still see a lot of business closing down.
A lot of small businesses.
It's just you can't stay open this way.
It's really hard.
Thankfully, the support of customers like ours, you know, we are able to stay afloat.
Well, look, the power of this audience here, of the Human Events Daily audience, will always support Blackout.
We are now, by the way, I'm being told by my producer, we're now just on X. We're at 120,000 viewers.
We're the number one live stream just on X. We've got all of our folks out on Rumble, all of our folks across Getter, YouTube, all the live streams out there.
And that's the power there.
Look, guys, when people like Blackout are willing to step up, And so many people, and you know how corporate America is, we know how woke corporate Starbucks is, and they're going to push all of their woke values down on us that are completely either divisive, or in some cases, absolutely un-American.
When somebody steps up like Blackout, that's why I always say, you've got to respond and you've got to repay them.
for having the courage to step up.
Tell me though, what do you have, what's coming new?
What's new on the horizon?
Because one thing I like about Black Ops, you guys are always, you're always trying new things.
You're always experimenting. - Well, we just came out with the, I actually have a box here.
It's just, I don't know if you can see it, but it's just a prototype.
But we already came out with this.
This is the instant coffee, and we are actually working on a ready-to-drink RTD coffee.
We have two formulas that we're working on.
They have been finalized.
Now, it's just the whole process of getting it canned and made.
In the next, I would say, two months, we should be coming out with that, which is very exciting.
So RTD, that's kind of like your coffee drink, energy drink, bottled kind of canned thing that you would get just in a store.
Correct.
But ours, we try to make it as clean as possible.
Amazing.
We gotta run.
That's the end of the show today.
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You guys gotta check them out.
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