EXCLUSIVE WITH DR DREW: NIH OFFICIAL ADMITS FUNDING AT WUHAN LAB AND THE DEVOLUTION OF DATING
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This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare.
Overdose deaths in 2023 were still almost twice as high as they were five years ago.
This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.
Deliver us from evil.
Overdose deaths in 2023 were still almost twice as high as they were five years ago.
That's because of a steep rise in overdose deaths during the COVID-19 pandemic that was largely driven, medical experts say, by fentanyl.
Do you wish to retract your statement of May 11th where you claimed that the NIH never funded gain-of-function research in Wuhan?
Senator Paul, I have never lied before the Congress, and I do not retract that statement.
You do not know what you are talking about.
Dr. Tabak, did NIH fund gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology through Echo Health?
It depends on your definition of gain-of-function research.
If you're speaking about the generic term, yes we did.
It was supposed to be a hearing to hold Attorney General Merrick Garland in contempt of Congress for refusing to turn over a recording of President Biden's interview with a special counsel.
But Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene went off topic.
Oh, girl, baby girl.
Oh, really?
Don't even play.
When Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett tried to stop Greene's line of questioning, Greene commented on Crockett's, quote, fake eyelashes.
Do you know what we're here for?
You know we're here about... I don't think you know what you're here for.
Well, you're the one talking about... I think your fake eyelashes are messing up.
Green shouting a refusal to apologize.
Other lawmakers then coming to Crockett's defense.
Okay, Randy, thank you for waiting.
Your turn now.
Recoverable for the prosecution?
No.
He had one job to do and he couldn't do it on something so simple.
Tell us about a conversation and the worst part of it is on direct.
He sounded so convincing.
He sounded so smooth.
So good.
It was such a good day for the prosecution.
Describes the conversation and then completely shoots the pooch where it looks like that conversation absolutely, actually never happened.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily here live Washington DC.
Today is May 17, 2024.
Anno Domini.
Folks, remember earlier this week when I was telling you that I wake up and I'm reading the mainstream media so you guys don't have to.
And I'm reading Politico, and I'm checking out MSNBC, and I'm watching CNN, and I'm seeing, all right, what's the latest in the trial?
And I noticed that last week, remember, it was all Stormy Daniels.
Stormy Daniels, this is gonna be the end of Trump.
This is gonna put him away.
He's going behind bars.
She's coming out.
She's got the story.
And then it turned into what looked like an absolute circus act, an absolute clown show.
And then so I said, boy, I wonder how they're gonna respond after getting Just completely clowned on all last week.
And then, Monday morning, get the headline, Michael Cohen.
The entire case rests on Michael Cohen, and we get told for several days that Michael Cohen, and now they're only in court for actually three days this week.
This is also important, because Cohen testifies for two days, they take one day off, they come back for one day of cross-examination, and then today they're out of court.
Why?
Because President Trump and his family Are attending Barron Trump's high school graduation, which is going on right now or actually took place just a couple of minutes before we went to air today.
So all of Cohen's cross-examination was compressed into one day.
And Trump's lawyers knew that they had to get it all in, in that day.
So what did they do?
Well, here's the bombshell.
And I haven't heard a lot of people explain this very well, so let me explain here, as tightly as I can.
Cohen had testified earlier in the week that he called Trump's bodyguard right when the payments to Stormy Daniels started to take place, and that he confirmed to Trump's bodyguard, Keith Schiller, That this is what was going on.
She's been paid off.
It's done.
This seemed like a very damning admission.
The former lawyer coming public and saying this, okay.
But thankfully in the American and in the Western judicial system, we have something called the adverse system.
And so in this, each side gets a chance to question the witnesses.
One side for the prosecution, one side for the defense.
And you always need to remember that there's two sides to every story.
So Trump's lawyers get in there yesterday and they say, all right, you say that you called Trump's bodyguard about these payments.
However, we've got text messages from you to Trump's bodyguard that you've never explained, that you didn't mention anything about, where you're talking about calling him because you were annoyed that some kid was prank calling you.
The prosecution was caught completely off guard.
The jury was absolutely shocked.
And this is what started the massive media tailspin that we saw yesterday, where even CNN and Anderson Cooper were admitting that this testimony went absolutely down the tubes.
I'm going to get over my skis, because I'm pretty sure that a New York jury is not going to be favorable to Donald Trump.
But he actually is looking at a potential, say, potential hung jury at this point, because that's how bad it's gone.
Stay tuned, we'll be right back.
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Dr. Drew joins us on an auspicious day because we just found, and I just met a guest on his program a couple of weeks ago, and we were talking about COVID, we were talking about totalitarianism in government, and then we have this hearing just yesterday where an official from the NIH, and then we have this hearing just yesterday where an official from the NIH, not Collins, by the way, not Fauci, of course, comes out, you know, this lower-level guy, he's left holding the bag after the big guys have already skated, who admits that,
EcoHealth Alliance was the pass-through entity that was funding gain-of-function research at the Wuhan lab, EcoHealth Alliance has been completely divested from the Department of Health and Human Services.
There are no longer Peter Daszak and all the rest.
You all know the story.
Dr. Drew, you're here with us.
You've been one of the earliest skeptics calling out COVID.
Walk us through how monumentous a situation this is, but at the same time, it seems as though the big guys who were involved have completely skated.
Yeah, that's certainly what the circumstance suggests right now.
And there's still much more to be revealed, right?
All we've been asking for of our government is just show us what you're doing.
Tell us what happened here.
Be open and transparent with us.
Don't obfuscate around language.
We're still in the zone where they're saying, well, it depends what you mean by gain of function.
Okay, fine.
But thank you, at least, for doing us the favor of saying there is money flowing through EcoHealth Alliance informing gain-of-function research.
And gain-of-function research, I understand, very common.
It may actually not have led to this virus.
But let us know how that's not the case and what you think actually happened here.
This slow roll of giving us what is real is deeply disturbing.
It is the opposite of transparency.
It's the opposite of what we want from our government.
And it really reminds me of something that I've been terribly troubled by recently, which is it seems like the bureaucracy itself is interested in undermining the will of the people.
What I mean to say is there is middle level lifetime bureaucrats who have made it their business to hang on to their job and to tell us how to live our lives independent of what elected officials, I forget who's asking the questions in those house hearings, probably I didn't see who it was, but in any event, the point is those elected officials whom we have charged with representing us beg no issue to the bureaucracy.
And that is deeply, deeply concerning.
Oh, I think you're going to show me another clown show.
Is that what you're showing there?
Is that what erupted yesterday?
No, no, this was the first clown show where we've got this guy, as you're referring to, Dr. Tabak, who's the deputy director of the NIH.
So this was the guy.
So you love how Fauci has totally, you know, flown the coop.
And you've got this guy, this poor sap up there, who's, you know, he's kind of like the guy that Stalin has to erase from the photograph when everything is done.
So I think it's Debbie Lesko.
Yeah, Debbie Lesko, who was on the, that's the select subcommittee of the coronavirus pandemic.
And then he, of course, he's obfuscating, as you say, playing this game of, well, there are different types of gain-of-function research, and it all depends on what your definition of is, is, and all of this.
That's fine.
No objection.
No objection, sir.
Tell us more.
Just tell us more.
Keep going.
Just give us the facts.
This you-can't-handle-the-facts attitude, I find disgusting.
It's the real core of the problem.
So we're going to tune up the propaganda on one side, and we're going to cancel anybody on the other, so people don't have to be exposed to, God forbid, the truth, the facts.
You know, at the very beginning, the reason I got myself in trouble is I thought it was the press doing this.
I was so used to being in news and press, and how odd it is now that everybody's all siloed.
I used to do everything, CNN, Fox News, whatever.
Now you're not allowed to do one if you do the other.
So crazy.
But I knew how they loved hysteria.
And I thought, this whole thing is being generated by the press.
They need to shut up.
Just shut up.
And by the way, the thing that was cut off of all the videos that came after me was what I said next, which was actually the wrong thing.
What I said next was, please just listen to Fauci and the CDC.
Let them be your North Star because I've been working with them a long time and they've been very, very important in my career.
So just listen to those guys.
Everyone cut that out of what I was saying.
When actually that was the wrong, the wrong instruction, it turned out.
Well, and that's actually, I mean, let's, let's dial it back a little bit there.
So dial the clock back because we're getting this admission now.
And of course, you know, here we are, what, four years after the fact we're, you know, four years after a mass vaccination, four years after social distancing, four years, well, five.
Yeah.
If you go by 19, right.
Um, and, And this guy, there's not going to be any accountability here.
Nobody's going after him.
Fauci's got his money.
He's paid.
Francis Collins has paid.
They've completely skated.
But dial it back.
When you made those comments, what was the reaction?
Well, somebody... I was shooting my mouth off because I saw this thing rolling.
And I was very skeptical of everything we were seeing out of China.
You know, this... I don't know if you've read Michael Sanger's book, Snake Oil Science, but everything there was really just designed to impress the Then the Italians picked this up in their little outbreak, and I knew immediately the Italian medical system is totally different than ours, and they were having trouble keeping up.
total control of a respiratory virus, which was untrue.
Then the Italians picked this up in their little outbreak.
And I knew immediately the Italian medical system is totally different than ours.
And they were having trouble keeping up.
We would not have that trouble.
And we would be able to meet the demands, which we were.
But it turns out the political leaders that were advocating for the Chinese style in Italy turned out to be a guy who wrote a book about the fact that he really didn't expect it to control the virus.
He thought it was just an opportunity to show how wonderful the communist system is in China, and that we should be applying those methods here universally, not just in the setting of a pandemic.
Wrote a book about it, and that book was summarily taken off the shelves within three or four months.
And then we were hoodwinked By all of that and we did the same thing based on nothing.
I've interviewed you know this during COVID it was all mysterious to me and I started doing a daily show stream out of my house because I just felt I felt like the French underground trying to help people manage and deal and what we were talking about here and I very quickly started seeing that the people they were canceling We're some of the greatest leaders in medicine and epidemiology, and I assume they had something to say.
I mean, I'd agree with everything, as I often don't agree with my peers, but I wanted to talk to those guys, and that's what I've been doing ever since, is talking to people who have been canceled.
I'll be damned if I haven't learned something from everybody, including Paul Alexander, who I interviewed again a couple days ago.
But he was there when the five-foot, six-foot distancing was determined.
He is a highly decorated epidemiologist and The whole world adopted a non-scientific methodology that disrupted our life.
sorry it was Redfield at the time whom he admired and he said Dr. Redfield why where did this come from why are you doing this shut up there's no evidence we just have to do something the whole world adopted a non-scientific methodology that disrupted our life if you want to know what happens when centralized authority in medicine is put in place and how sideways it can go this was a wonderful example of that
I mean what you're describing is something that I think they're already trying to get us to forget they're trying to you know erase this from the history books and you see it on CNN you see it so many times when they'll say 1.1 million people died 1.1 million people died and we did what we had to do and it was awful we had a very quick sentence we had a pandemic There's no actual explanation as to what went wrong.
How many of those 1.1 million died from the attempted treatments of this?
And by the way, we'll never get an explanation for all of the other social effects that went on during this period.
We were just told, oh, no, no, no, no, no.
It was all about The 1.1 million with COVID and the people who dared say anything that wasn't part of this.
And by the way, I have to get your reaction to this because you mentioned social distancing.
They asked Dr. Collins, I think it was a separate hearing, but very recently they asked him as well, testifying and saying, what piece of evidence did you look at to determine social distancing?
What was it?
Was there a study?
Was there something you had learned in a trial?
And he said there was nothing.
He admitted there was no science behind social distancing.
Social distancing was something that was beginning to be discussed in some of these pandemic meetings where they were, you know, planning war games around pandemics.
I mean, the Pandemic Inc., we had a whole bunch of hammers waiting around for a nail, and boom!
They started pounding on that nail as soon as this opportunity came around.
Social distancing is not an infectious disease textbook.
I kept asking, who are you consulting to get these ideas?
Where are they coming from?
They seem so bizarre.
And this idea, what's being sort of peddled now is, we didn't know.
We didn't know.
Okay.
I'm even willing to, I'm very moderate on all this stuff.
I'm willing to go, okay.
You didn't know.
Some of us did.
Some of us did know that there were excesses here and the things you were doing were going to cause incredible harm, particularly to 15 and 85.
I kept saying from 8 to 15 year olds, you are destroying that age group.
You're telling these kids that need their peers for the development, need their cognitive development at school.
You're giving them iPads where they look at porn all day or sex with their peers, and then you tell them if they dare attempt to leave their house or talk to their peers, they're going to kill their family.
In the meantime, shelter in place, which is words we use for an incoming nuclear weapon.
That was every night the mayor of Los Angeles was saying that to us.
You don't think that destroyed 8 to 15 year olds?
Now, depression, anxiety, depression, anxiety.
But, um, oh, lost my train of thought.
The point is, The point is, this was very predictable and it was very, very arbitrary what they're doing.
But you could argue at the time, even if you knew better, you could argue at the time, hey look, maybe this is a vile weapon.
Maybe there is something that we don't know, those of us out in the community.
Hold that thought.
We have a quick break right here.
We'll come right back and let you finish.
Dr. Drew joins us universally.
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You can't be listening to all that slappy whack.
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Hi, Jack Posobiec back live, Human Events Daily.
Where we left off, Dr. Drew was explaining the health effects specifically that these, not just the social distancing, but he really started talking about lockdowns and canceling, shutting down the schools, and the effect that it was having on the under-15-year-olds.
Dr. Drew, please continue.
Yeah, and what I was saying was, I actually had a local news broadcast I was doing here on Fox 11 here locally in Los Angeles.
So there's moments when these things happened.
And I was, you know, I was trying to help people understand what's going on and trying to make sense of this.
And one of the things that happened is a school board member came on our show and he announced he was going to close the school.
And I said, why?
Why are you doing this?
Who consulted with you?
Where did you get this idea?
It's the right thing to do.
Two years later, you've destroyed A significant group of young adolescents.
Well done, sir.
That's number one.
Number two was this notion that they're peddling now that we didn't know.
We didn't know.
Okay.
I wasn't sure, to be fair.
My opinions were shifting and changing based on available data.
But when Governor Newsom here in this state decided to lock it down, I thought it was a terrible idea.
But I thought to myself, and again, there's footage of me on television saying this, all right, he's planning for the worst case scenario.
He's in a tough position.
He's just going to do this thing.
And I'm a good citizen.
I'm going to support my leadership and get behind this.
Never did I imagine that two years later, in economic destruction and destroying kids' lives, that we would see the same persistent lockdown for no reason whatsoever.
And let's be fair, the early days of Alpha and Delta, That's a bad illness, guys.
Don't pretend it wasn't a bad illness.
It was a bad illness, particularly if you were old.
Then it can be a really bad illness.
Some of my patients died during this thing.
I had a bad case of Delta.
It was awful.
Monoclonal antibodies saved me.
But why wasn't our public health officials, why weren't they out there advocating for, hey, we bought all the monoclonal antibodies, you can get it for free.
So if you get sick, your grandma gets sick, get her the monoclonal antibodies.
They will diffuse her in home, at the home.
Why aren't we doing that as opposed to shelter in place, shelter in place, come back when you're blue?
This was unconscionable behavior and it needs to be examined.
It needs to be reckoned with so we don't do it again.
And we certainly, Jack, do not, as a result of this experience, should never be considering handing more authority to a more centralized authority at the World Health Organization, who in their so-called treaty want fiat authority over all duly sovereign elected officials.
No, no, and no.
Well, let's let's talk about that for a quick second, because this is something I was over in Geneva two years ago, as they were talking about putting this together.
This is the World Health Assembly, which is the, you know, sort of the assembled experts.
It's the it's the rule of experts who are not experts, I keep saying.
And they're they decide when the next pandemic has begun.
And then you also see these provisions in the treaties that talk about handing over essentially the sovereignty of our country to this unelected board that they get to declare what the measures are going to be.
Jack, be careful.
In a health emergency, forget pandemic, Health emergency.
Whatever that is, they decide it is.
Medicine is never meant to be so centralized.
The medicine is about a patient and a physician.
That's your unit.
That's your most efficient unit.
They should be free to make decisions together based on the well-being of that patient.
And the fact that all this authority is being sent upstream, it harms people.
If it were a good idea, I'd be all for it.
It's a horrible idea and we have ample evidence from our recent experience.
And so what happens then, I mean, just walk me through what kind of scenario, if people are out there, they're hearing this, they're saying, wait a minute.
This pandemic happened, we couldn't do very much to stop it, or at least stop the government response, I should say, the government response to it, even though there were so many people who attempted to tell the truth when they did so, they were called out.
Look, I was one of the big war room pandemic, one of the first guys talking about how this more than likely came from the Wuhan lab.
We didn't know the name Peter Daszak at the time.
We didn't know Shi Zhengli, the Batwoman, all of this stuff, but we knew that there was a massive biosecurity level 4 facility in Wuhan that was more than likely conducting risky experimentation.
Now, let's go a step forward, though, because we're in an election, a very, very tumultuous election right now, and none of these systems have changed.
In a worst-case scenario, what can people do to get ready for something like this?
For another pandemic?
Is that what you're asking?
Yes.
Is that?
Well, so here they are talking about the avian flu, the H5N1, which has, for interesting reasons, seems to have spread through cattle and other mammals.
There is one, maybe two cases of animal to human transmission.
And they immediately begin talking about a pandemic.
I mean, think about that.
Aren't they showing you their hand then?
To me that means, there's only one thing that means, and that the virus is going to change that quickly.
It's never been able to effectively get around the human population.
It means somebody's screwing with that virus.
Somebody is doing something where somebody somewhere in the blob is concerned that it could break out or has broken out.
And I work with the wellness company, TWC, and what we did is we put Tamiflu in our kits, our emergency kits, so patients could get access to these things through telehealth right now so they can be ready.
Tamiflu is not a great medicine for avian flu.
Some efficacy, be ready, because God only knows what they're going to do to you again should they have evidence that this thing is spreading rapidly.
And respiratory viruses, They, you know, they just don't, you can't stop them.
They, they, so it's essentially impossible as we found during COVID.
You know, that's something that I actually, uh, you know, you know, full, full disclosure, you know, wellness company does, uh, they, they are one of our partners here in the program, but I personally have used the kits.
I personally have used the service and I love the fact that you can actually go to them.
You can ask them for what, what you want.
You can explain to them the situation and there's, there's no middlemen.
There's no middleman, there's no waiting for hours and hours at the pharmacy when they tell you it's ready and it's not ready and all of this.
There's no rigmarole over, oh you don't need that, you shouldn't have that, etc.
It comes right to you.
I was, Jack, I want to say I was talking to another board, medical board member with me and she and I were sort of sharing notes on what we're doing here.
We both went, you know, five years ago we would not have wanted this.
We would not have thought this was a great idea.
Now, we both feel like you're out of your mind if you don't have access to things like this because they've shown us what they can do.
And so I have gone in my career spending my whole career trying to protect the patient-physician relationship.
I fought off the opioid epidemic for 15 years.
I was fighting off insurance agencies.
You can't imagine what it's like in a psychiatric setting trying to advocate for drug addicts, alcoholics who need treatment.
It's a catastrophe.
Insurances wield their mighty hand and people die.
And then they blame, they point fingers elsewhere to whomever's signature is on the charts because, hey, we don't practice medicine.
Right.
Well done, everybody.
It was always disgusting to me.
But we've gone one step further where physicians are all employees now.
We've lost our independence, our autonomy.
We've showed that during COVID.
Our behavior was mostly inexcusable in terms of telling people to go home and come back when they're blue.
We need to get things into the hands of patients directly.
And that's what's so incredible.
I've even had people were hitting me up saying, how do I get that?
You know, I heard you got this great thing.
Cause you know, we, we do some travel.
I do, I have speaking events and we go around, we travel a lot.
We, we encounter different things.
We also have little kids by the way.
So, you know, it's sort of like, what's your, what's the virus of the week that's coming in from the schools, et cetera.
And given that we live in the D.C.
area, believe it or not, unfortunately, we've been hit by some of these waves of the mass migration and illegal immigrants that are even bringing in, I saw a story out of just the Daily Mail this morning that was talking about the measles that are coming back.
I mean, things that I haven't heard about for decades all of a sudden are coming back to the United States.
Well, yes.
We've been dealing with that in Southern California for a long time.
I worked in a county facility for many years.
And I guess Robert Kennedy, RFK Jr., had cystic cirrhosis, which we saw all the time here in Southern California, as well as various helminths, for which we used ivermectin quite liberally.
It's a long time ago.
Because people came in with all these parasites.
I felt bad for all the immigrants.
This is back during the El Salvadorian Civil War and things, so people were really fleeing catastrophes.
And we took great care of them.
L.A.
County stepped up, by the way, at that point in time.
It was not anybody but our local authorities and our local system that responded to it.
And good, we did that, and we helped these people, and El Salvador is doing better now, so good for us.
But the fact that these unusual things that, by the way, in the textbooks say don't exist in the United States, are common now here.
And so this is a huge issue because all of a sudden there's going to be, and this is something as well, where I love the fact that we've got, cards on the table, you know, we've kind of just built the Pasovic family like health bunker in our cabinets at home.
And so we know that when something happens, whether it's the kids, whether it's us, whether it's something we travel, we pick up a bug, we've got access to so many things right away that if something like this hits, we don't have to wait.
And then number two, we don't get into a situation where the medicine that we need is out of supply, it's out of stock, it's in shortage.
This was a huge problem we saw as well, supply chain.
And let's be clear, there's telehealth backup or telehealth consultation for any of these kits you can get, so it's not like you're just on your own.
And there's a lot of information provided as well.
But, you know, I'm feeling uncomfortable.
We're doing too much on this topic.
I want to go back to the fact that the World Health Organization Feels within its authority should be to tell us how to live our lives in any urgent situation that they deem so.
And let's be clear, the head of the World Health Organization, not a physician.
So what I want to point out is that during the pandemic, one of the serious problems was people in health authority, which again, our constitution grants them authority in an emergency.
We should be correcting that, but the people in those positions of authority were often Not physicians.
Not clinical people.
And if they were clinical people, often pediatricians.
Because pediatricians are familiar with vaccine policy.
And that's mostly what statewide public health officials did.
And after talking to many of them over the course of the pandemic, I realized, oh, I don't make decisions on kids.
I don't know how to do that.
It's an entirely different discipline than adult medicine.
They don't know how to practice adult medicine, and so they were panicking about things that were, frankly, routine in the setting of adult medicine, and making terrible decisions as a result.
This is the situation that we all lived through, and the question is, when, and it will happen again, you will see this happen again, how are we going to deal with it?
Dr. Drew's got the answers, folks.
We'll be right back here in the Bed-State.
Where's Jack?
Where's Jack?
Where is he?
Jack, I want to see you.
Great job, Jack.
Thank you.
What a job you do.
You know, we have an incredible thing.
We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys, and these are the guys who should be getting Pulitzer's.
Alright, Jack Posobiec back live here at Human Events Daily.
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But I wanted to talk to the relationship expert that we all know that Dr. Drew is.
And for some folks who don't know, he was the host of Loveline for how many years?
35.
35 years.
So I got to hear in real time.
Talking to couples and hearing everything.
Yep, in real time, got to hear what young people were doing.
You don't probably know this history though, but I originally got on the radio, I was asked to do something that seemed, I couldn't understand what they were asking me to do, and I went in there and I thought, oh my goodness, here are all these young people asking these extraordinary questions of, you have to remember the power of radio back in the 80s, this was 1983.
And radio was how you defined yourself culturally and the community which you gathered with.
And they were calling it in the middle of the night and asking their air staff, the people that they felt friendly with, crazy questions, really important questions.
And none of them I was at that time in my training telling young men on a nearly daily basis they had six months to live.
We were in the middle of the AIDS pandemic, or AIDS epidemic, and we were still calling it HTLV-3.
The term safe sex hadn't been coined yet.
But I was blown away that no one was talking to young people about this.
They'd never heard of it.
And at the same time, right around that time, one Anthony Fauci was encouraging us young physicians to go out and educate.
He actually was, in retrospect, he was asking us to frighten people about it, which maybe was the right thing at the time.
I certainly participated in some of that.
And yeah, that's what got me going.
And then we got into many, many, many other topics over the course of 35 years.
And this is incredible.
And actually, I'm getting a comment here.
Someone's saying you did it for free for like the first 10 years as a public service.
Is that true?
I did.
It was one night a week.
It was Sunday night.
It started like midnight to 3 a.m.
I couldn't really do that.
So I'd go from midnight to 1 or something.
And then all of a sudden it went from 10 to midnight.
And it was one night a week.
And it was fun and interesting.
I met lots of cool people.
I thought I was doing community service.
I remember about Once we started, I think we were doing Five Nights a Week at that time, somebody came up to me and said, you know, what do you want to be doing in 10 years?
I remember the thought bubble over my head was, well, certainly not this.
I don't know what I'll be doing exactly, but this?
That doesn't even make sense.
And I just kept plotting ahead and opening doors.
And when things came my way, I would just explore them.
And that's how things happened.
So, you've been doing this for a long time, and yet we hear so much these days about, you know, these call it the battle of the sexes.
Now we're seeing so many issues in the way that dating has changed.
We've seen a lot of issues in terms of just relationship formation.
This is something that everybody seemingly got a solution for.
we were talking during the break, this commencement address that Harrison Butker did, you know, he's got the Catholic perspective.
He's talking about a lot of these issues.
Then you hear people have more of a feminist take.
But I was like, I wondered, you know, I knew we had you on today.
I wanted to hear what's Dr. Drew's take, what's causing this massive rift that we seem to be seeing now? - Yeah, there is a lot of unhappiness and that is deeply disturbing to me.
When I look back at what we were doing, say, in the 80s and even into the 90s, there was tremendous enthusiasm and sort of a vitality.
People wanted to date, they wanted to socialize, they were struggling with the motivational differences between men and women, and I was doing a lot of talking about that back in the day, but they still were having Fun.
They were enjoying each other's time.
They were learning who they were in the context of intimate contact or even romantic contact or even just social contact.
All that's I think it's social.
It's the the social media and the dating apps that really unwound everything to the point where only the top 10 most is 10% of the most desirable were being picked and were sort of having their way and enjoying themselves while everybody else was just left on the sideline.
And And literally, young people were missing the usual milestones of development that you need in order to navigate the social sphere.
And the other side of that I'm seeing now, which is not necessarily a bad thing, is when people do find somebody they want, they cling.
They stay in for long periods of time.
Not necessarily a bad thing, but something I'm seeing, and again, it's an excess.
So whenever there's excess, you think you're going to see a little something in reaction.
So when you say excess and cling, does that mean that it's almost like a, like a codependent type relationship where one person is putting, you know, the other person, you know, is letting that subsume their entire, their entire personal life?
I can't say that that is true, but I worry that that is going to be some of what we will start seeing.
It might work out fine, frankly, because look, I think about the fact back through human history, when people found a romantic partner, they would cling because of fear of pregnancy and STDs.
You would get you...
STDs, a hundred years ago, even a urinary tract infection would kill you potentially.
And so there was a lot of sort of once you formed a partnership that you kind of stayed there.
But in the advent of antibiotics and hormonal contraceptives and things, people, there was this thing called the sexual revolution and people started sort of enthusiastically going out and expressing themselves.
We, that seems to be, that enthusiasm seems to be gone.
At least for the majority of the population.
And again, I'm not passing judgment on any of this.
It might be a good thing.
Maybe we were excessive back in the day.
I think we probably were.
But it certainly is not leading to a lot of happiness and dynamism and vitality.
And that's what concerns me.
So we need to get back to some sort of middle ground.
Well, I think that's very key.
I would also point out that one of the things that we see with these dating apps is that you also have a situation where the pool has expanded so greatly.
And this has had a huge effect on women.
It's also had a huge effect on men.
Because it seems, and this is something I look at, look, happily married, but I do see out on the internet when people are talking about this, they say so many men are having trouble finding any partners on these apps because there's a small pool of men who are like at the top that are collecting almost everything.
And all of the other people are just completely getting overlooked.
And then this is all, but then this is also leading to problems for the women because those men can swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe, and they've got a plethora of options.
So they're not seeing too much of a reason to settle down either.
Well, and they're going overseas and, you know, those whole series on 90 Day Fiance about how common this is.
They're going elsewhere if they're not finding what they want here.
It's a lot of that.
What's that, Jack?
Oh, they're called the Passport Bros.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then men are retreating into pornography.
And for the first time, you should know this too, I've interviewed a number of young men.
I was doing a show for a while, it was sort of a callback to Love Land a little bit.
So I was talking to a lot of young men.
And for the first time in my 30, 40 years of talking to young people, the topic of prostitute Wow.
started coming up.
They were using prostitutes in addition to pornography to kind of manage how miserable they were, frankly.
And so you have unhappy men, but they're retreating to alternatives and you have very unhappy women.
And I think unhappy women is sort of the headline.
Women are, they're supposed to be happy.
They're supposed to find fulfillment in their careers.
They're supposed to be able to date with, you know, access men as they wish to spend time with.
None of it's working out.
It is not a happy situation.
Overall, I'm not saying for everybody, but overall there's a lot of stress.
This is a fascinating topic.
Quick break coming up.
We just hit, we're now the number one stream on X.
You guys like talking about this stuff.
So we're gonna talk about it a little more, one more segment, Dr. Drew coming up. - Human Events Editorial Board, this case is a joke.
Ashton Kutcher is going to the top and left to tell us that we've been pumped. - Jack Posobiec, we're back on with Dr. Drew.
We're talking about the differences between the love life between men and women that have gone on since he started the show Love Line, the things that he has seen and the changes that he's seen.
We're talking about the rise of the internet during the break, producer Faz.
Mentioned one of the big bridges here is OnlyFans culture.
Dr. Drew, this is something that completely couldn't have existed during the 1980s and 90s when Loveline was getting started.
How has OnlyFans culture affected all of these things you're talking about?
So it's commodifying women, it's objectifying women, it's creating these pseudo relationships.
In other words, the young men, in their retreat from the actual reality of social interaction, they're retreating to pornography, prostitutes, OnlyFans.
And it gives a sense, the OnlyFans gives a false sense of an actual connection, of some sort of intimate contact, when essentially it's not a lot different than looking at a stripper and believing that somehow she's there for you.
It's that kind of phenomenon.
And in my experience, now while some of these women feel quite empowered by this, many start to feel a little uncomfortable with it and objectified.
And then they too, when they go out into actual intimate contact, start to feel suspicious of men and how men work and how they operate.
The reality is, look, I've been saying this for years.
We have got to, it's going to, it sounds like old man Drew here talking about this.
And I used to talk to college campuses about this back in the 2000s, which is that, Dating, spending time with another human being, whatever your proclivity is, heterosexual, homosexual, whatever it is, spending time in intimate face-to-face contact.
I'm not talking about physical contact.
I'm not talking about sexual contact.
I'm talking about breaking bread over a meal and sharing time with another human being.
is extremely important.
It's important not just from the standpoint of learning how to navigate the social sphere.
It's important in terms of figuring out who you are in an interpersonal context.
It's important for developing insights and appreciation of other people's points of view, regulating your own emotions, and deciding who you are in a relationship and what you want in a relationship.
Just that time spent.
And that is the opposite.
It's anathema to what they are doing.
And that's been going on for a long time.
The whole hookup culture from the 90s and 2000s, I was then addressing that, saying, this is not good for you.
Why?
And by the way, why do you have to be drunk to do it if it's such a key component of your social life?
You're always wasted.
And so advocating for just asking people out, spending time, doesn't matter who asked whom out, just get coffee.
It just is a tremendously important thing to navigate.
And that's so huge.
That's absolutely, you know, funny enough.
So I met my wife, it'll be 10 years this January.
So it'll be 10 years since we met.
And we met at a Bible study, even in this is this is 2014-2015 era, when we were meeting.
And so this is when those apps were all getting started.
And I love the fact that this was someone that I met in Real life in the real world that I was able to interact with, you know, that we, you know, we did, we, that's exactly what we did.
We had a couple of coffee dates, you know, kind of kick the tires around a little bit, then decided to take it to the next level.
But I had an issue because I was, I was deployed a lot.
I was still in the military at the time.
So I'd have trainings that would be, you know, around the country and then get deployed around the world to different spots.
And so that obviously, talk to anyone in the military.
That will, being physically separate, will put a huge strain on your relationship.
But if you're physically separate, even if you're in the same city, as you're saying, it's still going to put that same kind of strain, isn't it?
Yeah, that and you knew how to do this.
You knew how to how to have a time spent with another human being, how to form and break relationships, how to set the ground rules.
That's all gone.
They're missing a lot of that now.
And I think this is an important point to parents.
You should be urging your high school age kids how to date and where to date and how to do that.
And maybe You know, just the hooking up and hanging out, that's where it started.
It was not a good idea.
It stunted growth.
And now we're here at a place I never could have imagined because of social media and the dating apps and this electronic media.
We need to help people get out of this.
It's not healthy.
It really is a health issue when you get right down to it.
And of course, if then you're looking at things like long-term relationships and marriage and family and child-rearing, of course it's going to be affected by all that.
Right.
And so we know we see these quite Elon Musk and so many other people have talked about the decline in national fertility rate and so many of these other issues that we're already talking about.
But it really goes back to that.
It goes back to this basic idea of having social interactions with one another, being able to handle that.
You know, I worked in a I worked in a food, you know, food services for a while, and you're constantly interacting with people.
Sometimes it's great, not always.
But at least it gives you that gear where you're constantly talking to people.
And by the way, learning to value the differences amongst people and the differences of the gender and the sexes and these differences and the range of differences and what you, you know, we have lost our capacity for empathy and when you lose the capacity for empathy, we call that narcissism.
And what you get instead is envy and grievance.
How are people that are overcome by grievance and envy possibly going to get into intimate connection with another person unless it's just somebody else to act out that grievance with?
It's not set up for a healthy circumstance.
It's set up for a mass formation, frankly.
The setup for a mass formation.
This is incredible stuff.
Dr. Drew, we've only got about a minute left here.
Let people know if you have a final word and then where they can go to contact you and get more information.
I do.
Please subscribe on my Rumble channel, Ask Dr. Drew.
My wife produces that show out of the studio.
She's loved doing that.
So we appreciate you all being there.
DrDrew.com is pretty much where everything is.
And of course, our friends at The Wellness Company.
It's been a privilege to be a part of what they're doing there.
You can find their stuff on my website as well.
And, Dr. Drew, I just have to ask, am I hearing a kind of beep?
Are you guys hearing a beep right now?
You know, it's so funny that I immediately noticed it and I didn't want to ouch you with that, but somebody even smarter was playing a tape of a dead smoke alarm chirping to tell you to replace the 9-volt battery.
That's not on your end, is it, Dr. Drew?
Yep.
We set it up as a little homage to the greatest.
Adam and I used to give grief to the callers because they'd literally be like, do you hear the smoke alarm chirping?
They're like, what?
There's no smoke alarm here.
And they're like, where are you right now?
I'm in my bedroom.
Look above you.
Is there a smoke detector?
Yeah.
Is it chirping?
No.
Yes.
How long has it been chirping?
I don't know.
How long has it been here?
How do you live with that?
Dr. Drew, the original, the OG folks, we'll have to have you back, sir.