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EPISODE 698: THE MICROREVOLUTION AGAINST TRUMP, THE CULTURAL REVOLUTION OF CHINA

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Today is March 22, 2024.
Anno Domini.
Folks, that clip that we just showed you was incredible.
This is the first time in my life, and I've been talking about this for years now, that the Chinese Communist Party's Chinese Cultural Revolution was actually depicted in a Hollywood film.
Now, this is a sci-fi movie that's coming out on Netflix or is short to be released.
It's based on a three-body problem, which was written about 15 years ago.
Super popular book in the sci-fi circles, won the Hugo Award.
But it opens with the main character's father being killed, beaten to death at a struggle session of the Chinese Communist Party of the Cultural Revolution.
There you see the Red Guard.
You see the little red book, Mao's little red book.
You see the dunce cap, which is placed around his head.
And then around his neck, it describes him as an enemy of the movement, an enemy, basically a counter-revolutionary.
It's kind of an easy way to describe it in Chinese.
So that's his crime.
He's a counter-revolutionary, basically calling him a right-wing extremist for being normal.
And then his name is under that.
And so his daughter, who is watching, then gets sentenced to prison.
And she later becomes the protagonist of the book and goes on to become this engineer.
But it's really incredible.
Guys, can we actually play that as a sci-fi?
Can we play that again?
Because that was just, I've never seen it before.
And it's so important that everyone needs to see what happens when the unhumans take power. - In the face of the masses of revolutionaries, be honest!
Are you an expert in all kinds of science?
He was their teacher.
That's what he's saying to them.
He's saying, I was your teacher, you were my students, and now this is how you treat me.
And what they're responding is that they are saying the revolution is without sin.
The revolution is blemishless.
The revolution is perfect.
And they're just saying it over and over as they beat the man to death in front of his own family.
The un-humans are coming.
And guess what, folks?
These revolutions are still taking place today, but on a micro-level, every single day, all around us.
Warfare has changed.
Hasn't gone away.
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We've got Kenny Cody on here today from humanevents.com.
He's a columnist there, a great columnist.
President Trump shares his stuff out constantly.
I even shared out the last time he was on the show.
Kenny, congratulations on that, by the way, and all your recent success.
Let's talk about what's going on with President Trump right now because there's a flurry of news.
A lot of people aren't talking about it.
CNN has him up in, I think, every single battleground state.
Even the CNN poll, they've got him sort of neck and neck with Biden in Pennsylvania.
It was the only state that I saw that they were tight with.
And at the same time, the government of the state of New York is now going after his very golf courses.
Kenny, what's going on here?
Because I remember everyone in the primary telling me, That when the government started coming for Trump, that that would make people support Trump less, yet that's the opposite of what's going on.
Well, it's had the opposite effect the entire time.
I mean, when you look at the polling, you look at how people would vote if he was convicted, all that kind of stuff, the independent voters, people see through the federal government's and the state government's weaponization of their power to go after a presidential candidate.
You know, I think that now we're seeing them go after his actual assets.
They're going after his golf courses.
They're going after his actual wealth.
You're seeing a rebuke.
You're seeing them address voters and pundits, conservatives, politicians, whatever, address that this is a biased pursuit.
And it's the only way that they can affect Donald Trump.
When you look at how he's leading in the United States, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, The only way that they can try to hurt him is to hurt his fundraising and to hurt him the amount of monetary value that his campaign can have.
And when you're looking at how he's doing in polling, I mean, Biden has more money to spend.
He has more corporate donations.
He has more backers.
And just like he did in 2020, and how Hillary Clinton had more funding than Donald Trump did in 2016, it doesn't really matter.
But this grassroots movement and these people that support him who are everyday Americans can blindly, And are not blinded by the federal government, state governments weaponization of their power against Donald Trump.
It's the only way they can go after him.
They have to try to go after his assets, try to go after his golf courses, his properties, and try to bankrupt him, because it's the only way, now that they see the polling, that they can see him losing.
And I still don't think, even with them trying to take money away from President Trump, that he has a chance against losing against Joe Biden.
Now, we can't get complacent, but they see the path forward.
They see that he is the likely next president of the United States, and they are throwing out all last-ditch efforts To go after this man by going after his own properties and his own assets.
So I think that if we are able to coalesce, if we're able to unite, I think that anybody can see this, but we have to go through the voters to try to donate, to try to fundraise, and to try to get a grassroots movement going because the legal procedures are going to try to minimize Trump's fundraising and minimize his monetary value.
And so that being the case, do you think then that this type of activity by the government, in case the government of the state of New York, to seize his golf course, the memes, by the way, yesterday were going wild on this.
People saying they're going to name it the George Floyd Memorial Golf Course.
I saw some people saying, Producer Fahs was saying that they're going to be putting up migrant tent cities on there for the illegals.
There's something so visual about the seizing of physical property as opposed to freezing bank records or bank accounts or something like that, that I really feel like this is going to have a backlash.
Do you agree?
Yeah, I think so.
I mean, you're seeing these people who address that, okay, Trump is getting after, the people are going after him, celebrities, the mainstream media.
But when you're getting the judiciary courts involved, when you're getting a state government employee involved, when you're getting the state departments, the state governments, the state judiciary going after him, you're seeing an obvious bias.
And they're only hurting themselves.
And I love that part about it, Jack, is that we are getting through to everyday people that this is a biased movement, that this is political weaponization.
This is nothing but the last ditch effort to prevent Donald Trump from being the next president.
And we have to be unabashed in calling that out.
We can't just stand by and say he's going to get by with it.
You know, he's going to raise money.
He has nothing to worry about.
He has, you know, billions of dollars, millions of dollars.
It's nothing to him.
We can't get complacent.
We have to make sure that this is in the spotlight.
We have to ensure that the everyday American knows that this man has gone through more than any presidential candidate in American history, any politician in American history.
And we can't let this just be a throw to the side.
He's going to get through it.
It's not going to matter.
We have to make this one of the core issues because This man is willing to give up his own golf courses, his own properties, his own net worth in order to serve this country and to bring this country back.
So anybody who is willing to say, you know, that Donald Trump is doing this for his own self-worth or his own monetary value, I hope that this is proving them incorrect because he is risking everything in his life.
His family's financial well-being, his own financial well-being.
He is putting everything on the line to save this country.
And I think that the American people can see that.
The independents and swing states can see that.
Everybody who is paying attention to this can see that.
And that's why you're seeing him up in polling.
That's why you're seeing his fundraising numbers go up.
And that's why he's going to come out of this successful because the America first base and even the modern swing voter can see that this is nothing but a bias attack towards the next president if the same path continues.
Again, we can't get complacent, but we have to address that this weaponization has made this more obvious to me that Donald Trump is the right man to lead this country and to lead this movement back from the current Biden administration, a fascist regime that does nothing but go after their political opponents than any time in American history.
We have to make this the most consequential presidency and the most consequential presidential campaign in American history.
And if we keep on the same trajectory and it's this out in the open of what they're trying to do to this man, I think we're going to achieve that.
I'm looking at IA polls right now.
We've got Trump is up in the markets.
Trump is up, I mean this CNN SRS poll, look, he's up six points in the three-way race, or excuse me, four-way race in Michigan.
Which consolidates to eight points.
Eight points in a two-way race in Michigan.
Now, we know we're not going to get a two-way race.
So, RFK, Cornell West, that's pulling a lot of the vote out there.
Pennsylvania as well.
Again, a state that we're told, quote-unquote, flipped in 2020.
He's now at parity in the 2-2 race, head-to-head race.
Or, with RFK on the ticket, West on the ticket, you're now seeing Trump up 2, Biden at 38, RFK at 16, West at 4.
Kenny, what do you view the, I guess I would say, the effect of these potential third-party candidates, or let's just say the third-party candidates.
By the way, the Green Party is potentially going to be on the ballot as well with all these extra choices.
Do you think that people really are willing to just drop Joe Biden?
He is a problem on his left flank.
Yeah, I mean, I think that there is an obvious problem when you have Cornel West going out there and openly embracing Hamas and say even some of the far left going to his side that shows the party's disinterest in Joe Biden.
And I think that, you know, it depends on really the poll depends on the state, how Kennedy really affects.
Uh, how much it takes away from Trump, how much it takes away from Biden.
But people forget, you know, Kennedy was running in the Democrat primary against Biden.
He does have an ancestry legacy name that even people who don't know who he is may still vote for Kennedy over Biden if they're tired of this old man, incompetent, geriatric person who is currently holding the office.
They may just vote for Kennedy because he's a Kennedy, right?
I mean, that's pretty obvious.
But I think people like Cornel West, Jill Stein, I think, is running for the Green Party nomination.
We'll see if No Labels puts up a candidate, whether that's going to be Chris Christie or somebody else, how much that's going to affect Trump even more, or Biden for that matter.
But the way the current trajectories are, it seems like RFK kind of splits down the middle of Trump and Biden's support.
I think used to an old polling, he took a little bit more from Trump than he did for Biden.
But as it kind of goes towards the general election, it seems like polling is a little bit more favorable.
Towards when RFK runs, Trump is actually benefiting too.
I forget if it was Maine or Colorado, one of those states that's even deep blue, RFK was actually helping Trump in polling because they had a Kennedy on the ballot.
So to me, the more the merrier, unless it's somebody, you know, some putting a former Republican in the Libertarian Party spot or a constitutional party spot, something like that, or putting a Republican in an old label spot, that'd be a lot different.
But you have Larry Hogan running for Maryland, and that was my One of my main concerns of a Republican running and taking votes away from Trump.
But I think that it's kind of going to be evenly split.
And even in these sort of deep blue states and even kind of more favorable towards lean blue swing states like Wisconsin or Michigan, I think that Trump's benefited by RFK.
Hopefully that that same trend continues.
That may swim back in the other direction like it was a few months ago when RFK was taking more votes away from Trump than he did from Biden.
But the way it currently is, it looks like a lot of Democrats are disinterested in showing interest in Jill Stein.
And so this this is huge because you're looking at all of these things and we got a break coming up in about a minute here and I want to get into after that the truth social news massive news out there for Trump regarding this this deal which is finally going through the SPAC merger which was approved We're looking at a situation where there's a lot of headwinds for Trump right now.
It looks like Biden, pun intended, could blow him over with a leaf.
That's clearly what's going on.
But at the same time, I don't sit pretty when things are going well.
That's when I get suspicious.
That's when I get worried about what could come up ahead.
So, Kenny Cote, when we go through this, after the break, I want you to break down for us what you think the biggest challenges are for Trump and his agenda to return to office right now.
Because these guys out there on the left, the guys who swung, quote-unquote, the 2020 election, have not gone away.
And they're going to be there in 2024 as well.
Jack Posobiec, Kenny Cody, coming back.
Human Events Daily after the break.
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Kenny, so we're on folks now with Kenny Cody, columnist for humanevents.com.
And I wanted to posit everyone, so we're working on this subject now, this concept for the, you know, for our upcoming book, The Unhumans.
And it's this concept of micro revolutions.
And this idea that everybody knows the communist revolution of 1917 in Russia was like a civil war.
In the 1930s in Spain, it was a civil war.
But then you flash forward to China in the 1960s, 1967, the Cultural Revolution kicks off.
It becomes more of a movement, a political movement style revolution where it's not being waged in the old sort of second generation warfare setting.
It's being waged more in schools and in public settings and in churches or universities, institutions, etc.
I would actually say that what we've been experiencing, what Donald Trump is experiencing right now, is a form of a micro revolution.
And in fact, daily micro revolutions that are being conducted against him, waged against him by his enemies, by his opponents.
And this is a tactic that they use over and over, not just against him, but also against anyone who stands against them.
Trump really just most predominantly.
And you can see him fight back.
And I think that it's really, you know, to your point, it's the perception battle that everyone is in, that they can see that Trump is a guy who's running for president, who did a pretty good job as president, certainly far better than Joe Biden is right now.
That's why the backlash is happening.
But let me ask you this, and we talked about it beforehand.
True social news out there.
Break that down for us, and then let's get into these different challenges that he is going to face between now and November.
Yes, so Trump's investment is going to pay off into TruSocial.
I know a lot of people question him leaving Twitter, but now it's going to net him, I think, around $2.6 billion now that TruSocial is a publicly traded social media company.
And that's going to really help him in terms of fighting his own legal battles.
It's going to help him in terms of fundraising for his own political future.
It's going to help him invest.
It's not going to allow him to be in the pockets of corporate donors going forward.
I mean, it's really going to increase his net worth by a billion dollars.
I think New York Times even reported on it about a couple of hours ago, how this is an irrefutable win for Donald Trump.
This is an irrefutable win in terms of money, monetary value, because we all know politics is funneled by money.
Now, whether that's your own money, that's why Donald Trump can be his own man.
That's a huge reason.
I think that it's really a huge benefit heading towards November.
It's going to allow him, again, not to be in the pockets of donors.
Donors not be able to come in and pitch him VPs.
They're not going to be able to come pitch him cabinet positions or anything because they're going to donate to him.
He's going to be able to do a lot more of what he actually wants to do like he was in 2016.
It was brand new to politics.
It was brand new to Washington, D.C.
And he's not going to be able to have to go to these fundraisers and go meet with these corporations, go meet with these people that he has to meet with, in quotes, CEOs of companies and things like that.
And also, again, allows him to fight the legal battles in the federal representation and state representation of judicia of judiciaries and judges to work against him like what's happening in New York.
It's going to allow him to kind of translate the fights in legal battle over to his actual political battles that he's going to be facing with Joe Biden in the deep state heading towards November 6th.
So this is one of the biggest campaign developments I think there has been in the 2024 season.
I think it's been actually under reported on today.
It's absolutely humongous in this fight against the federal government weaponization, state government weaponization, and ultimately him not being having to be in the pockets of corporate donors.
It's absolutely humongous for his campaign.
I want to tell everyone that one of the things that we've been talking about for a long time as a potential challenge that could come up between now and the elections that we do have breaking news and just bring this on you, Cody, but there are There appears to be some sort of mass shooting terror attack going on in Moscow right now as we speak.
This is breaking news.
This is currently happening.
The Crocus City Hall.
Multiple people shot and killed.
Obviously a civilian event happening right in the Russian capital.
People came in armed with long guns.
I'm just looking at the videos right now a little bit trying to review some of this in real time.
Multiple people killed.
U.S.
Embassy has just put out a statement.
The embassy is monitoring reports that extremists have imminent plans to target large gatherings in Moscow to include concerts and U.S.
citizens should be advised.
Actually, this, I guess, came out earlier.
Be advised to avoid large gatherings over the next 48 hours.
I'm just seeing that on Twitter.
Not sure exactly when that came out.
Obviously, fog of war on all of this stuff.
Some people are claiming that it's one group.
Some people are claiming that it's another group.
We don't know for sure yet if this was directly involved in Ukraine.
But, Kenny, let's go to that, this idea that there's been so much destabilization in the world.
There's been so much of this conflict.
Does this play any way into your political analysis?
Let's say the Russia-Ukraine situation, you know, does kick off and actually become 10 times worse.
Not only, you know, not saying that this is part of that, but let's say that it does.
Do you think that has a bearing on the election?
I think it might, because, I mean, you saw all the de-civilization of the Joe Biden administration so far.
You've seen the de-civilization in the Middle East.
You've seen it in Israel and Palestine going to war.
You're seeing it happen in Russia and Ukraine.
You know, I think, I forgot if it was the prime minister of Poland, if it was an ambassador of Poland, I actually forget.
But he believed that if Donald Trump was currently president, that the Ukraine and Russian war would have escalated the way it did.
And he does believe if Donald Trump is the president right now, he would have the Ukrainian And I think that you're seeing this destabilization because there is a power struggle overseas because Donald Trump had an iron fist.
He was an unpredictable president of the United States when it came to foreign policy.
He was not going to get run over.
He was not going to go to war all the time.
But you never wanted to mess with him because you didn't know what he was going to do.
And that's the kind of foreign policy that we need.
We need an anti-war approach.
That is not going to necessarily be pacifist.
It's not necessarily going to be isolationist, but it's going to create it, create power across the world that the United States is the main superpower.
Our president does need to be feared.
He needs to be feared across the globe because you don't want to miss with any of the U.S. interest overseas or in our on our homeland in domestic ways.
So when you see this destabilization in Russia, you see it in Iran, you see it in the Middle East, you see it in Israel and Palestine, you see all of this conflict going on over You see it in China and Taiwan and now you're seeing it with the mass shooting in Moscow today.
You see that because there is no world leader.
Not only does Donald Trump need to be the president of the United States.
He needs to be the leader of the free world.
And being the leader of the free world has a lot of responsibility.
It has to do with stabilizing the way that the countries interact with one another.
And when you see all these conflicts, you see the disastrous Afghanistan and withdrawal of U.S.
troops, you see embassies being attacked overseas, you see us losing soldiers in countries like Jordan, you're seeing the destabilization in Israel and Palestine and Russia and in Ukraine, when you're seeing this happen, that does reflect because people want to feel safe.
If you're with your wallet, feel safe, your, your fiscal wellbeing, feel safe and you feel safe living in your country and on the planet, then any destabilization of that is going to make you question who's in the current regime and the current regime is Joe Biden.
So if people feel.
And in addition, let me, let me just, uh, just jump in on that.
To your point, it's not just on safety concerns abroad, but it's the same with safety concerns for quality of life at home because of the rise of crime.
We've actually seen these things both happening at the same time.
Please continue.
Yeah, I mean, you're seeing domestic issues happen too, and you're seeing the open border, you're seeing illegals come into the country, you're seeing fentanyl overdoses being the leading cause of deaths in 18- to 25-year-olds.
You're seeing that happen in our own country, and you're seeing Our own country people trying to say up and say, hey, we're going to support a mosque, we're going to support Palestine.
It's not because necessarily that these people actually had these sort of ideologies inside, but you're seeing a destabilization effect, not only well-being, but ideology.
You're seeing people go to the extreme when it comes to their viewpoints on foreign policy, on domestic policy.
Again, the president is the leader of the free world.
I mean you're seeing – like you said, you're seeing destabilization in domestic affairs.
You're seeing it in foreign affairs, and that comes from a destabilization in the White House.
Again, the president is the leader of the free world.
To me, he is not just the – he or she is not just the president of the United States.
They are the president of the world and the leader of the free world.
That's why that phrase has always been used.
If the United States feels safe and the United States is safe at home and they have a role across the globe and globally, then people are going to feel more safe economically.
They're going to feel more safe at home.
They're going to feel more safe to go out and walk on the street and go walk their dog.
It affects every facet of life if you have not only a brave president, not only a safe president, but a strong president.
That's exactly what President Trump was.
There's a reason this is the first rematch in American history between two presidents.
You can compare and contrast in four years, who did you feel more safe under?
Donald Trump or Joe Biden?
And that doesn't just go for United States citizens.
That goes for those that are overseas.
Did you feel safer when Donald Trump was president of the United States or when Joe Biden was president of the United States?
That is the most obvious answer in the history of American politics between two four-term presidencies.
And when you look and compare, compare and contrast, it's a simple scale.
Who weighs more?
When it comes to actual accomplishments, when it comes to safety nets, it's always going to be Donald Trump when you compare his successes and his stabilization during his presidency in comparison to Joe Biden.
And if we had Donald Trump as president again, that's going to mean that we're going to lead up and we're going to be stable as not only conflict.
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Appreciate you, Jack.
Thank you, brother, and God bless.
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All right, Jack Pacific, back live.
We are still conducting our ongoing monitoring of the situation in Moscow.
As I just said earlier, as far as we know, The area of the fire in Crocus City Hall can be up to 3,000 square meters.
This is just outside Moscow and some of the areas had events that were canceled due to the incident outside.
We're told, I'm just reading this from Russian media reports, so grain to solve on everything, fog of war, all that.
That firefighters rescued 100 people from the basement in the City Hall.
40 people were killed and more than 100 were injured as a result of the shooting.
No official confirmation yet.
Multiple five armed people were part of a group that carried out the shooting.
Some kind of explosion set the concert hall on fire.
There are claims and videos now circulating on TwitterX that the building itself is in danger of the roof collapsing or has begun to collapse.
Don't know at this time how many people are inside.
And again, I will continue to monitor this as the situation unfolds here in real time.
Duty calls, and as we are living in a time of political instability both in Eurasia, we are also looking at instability in North America as well as in East Asia.
Oh, just got a report that Russian special forces appear to be storming the concert venue, so we'll see how that goes.
In East Asia, we are also looking at destabilization and our next two guests, Dr. Bradley Thayer and retired U.S.
Navy Captain Jim Fannell have written a new book, got it right here, Embracing Communist China, America's Greatest Strategic Failure.
Everyone needs to read this book to understand the truth about the U.S.' 's relationship with the Chinese Communist Party and how we've mismanaged this relationship over the years.
Dr. Thayer, Captain Fannell, it is an honor to have you both on.
Well, thank you, Jack.
Thanks very much indeed for the opportunity today.
Great to see you, Jack.
Great to be on.
For folks who don't know, Captain Fennell and I actually spent some time serving together when we were still both in the Navy, conducted a sort of a joint visit mission to South Korea, trying to get the South Koreans on board with the counter-CCP operations that were going on over there.
That's right.
It's been a few years ago, but Some of us have been working this for quite a while.
Amen.
So tell me more about the thesis of the book.
And for my audience, you know, I think a lot of folks have heard this, you know, in a general sense, but maybe not quite as detailed as you have put it all together, because it really was this American merger Following Tiananmen Square, following the fall of Chairman Mao, the beginning with the foreign direct investment in the 1970s, then after Tiananmen Square, bringing China into the global system, it's been this huge embrace of the Chinese Communist Party, hasn't it?
It has been, Jack.
And so the central question of the book is how did this happen?
How is it that China could rise so rapidly in 30 years, go from less than 1% of world growth domestic product to about 19% in 2019?
That's a remarkable rise.
And so Jim and I both were interested in that issue.
And the book argues there are two big causes of how that happened.
First, it was the strategy of Deng Xiaoping, a political warfare strategy expertly forged and executed what was called hide and bide by the Chinese, which was to minimize the threat while making Wall Street, the Chamber of Commerce and U.S.
politicians partners with the CCP, with the Chinese Communist Party.
But it takes two to tango.
And so it also took U.S.
business interests, the Clinton administration, U.S.
Chamber of Commerce to shift manufacturing, U.S.
manufacturing to the People's Republic of China and U.S.
investors to year after year invest, giving rise to what we call the engagement school, right?
Where the idea of the American elites was you needed to engage with China in order to change its behavior, in order to make it a responsible stakeholder, as was said during the Bush administration.
And of course, being communist, they didn't change anything, they just got richer.
And our policies added rocket fuel really to their growth, We're responsible for the growth of communist China.
We're responsible for saving the Chinese Communist Party.
And a big part of how that happened was what we call threat deflation.
Where year after year, as China was getting stronger militarily, diplomatically, technologically, our intelligence community, our military, our politicians, our national security community broadly, always discounted it.
They always deflated the threat of China's rise.
So that's what the book covers in a nutshell.
And, Kat Fennell, one thing that we look at in terms of this also is how the U.S. and in many ways just went along with this as China was rising and rising.
And so for the people who warned about this, they were summarily either told to step aside or to essentially be quiet.
Isn't that right?
Well, yeah, it didn't come out that directly, but there was people were basically directed to say that, you know, show me the exact proof of this or that.
And so, you know, after the 9-11 Commission and the WMD scandal and all that, there was a, when I arrived at the Office of Naval Intelligence where we were working together, I remember the line analysts, you know, afraid to say certain things about the PRC because there was this kind of like, well, you can't say that because you don't have the order from, at that time, you know, Jiang Zemin, or you didn't have the order from, later on, Hu Jintao.
You didn't have something explicit, which is not what the intelligence profession is about.
The intelligence profession, as you know, is about taking disparate pieces of information from various sources, human intelligence, technical intelligence, and combining all that together and coming up with a warning about what's going to happen.
And then to not just say the warning, but to make sure that your bosses understood it and took corrective action.
And so to that extent, the intelligence community had, as Brad said, deflated the threat over the last 30 years.
And it wasn't really until the Trump administration came in that it was, you know, we had a president that said it's okay to say that.
And before that, especially during the Obama years, it was explicitly, you know, this idea of we're not going to provoke China, so we don't want to say certain things out in public about what they're doing.
But by the time that Obama was leaving, it became almost empirically Evident of what they were doing, for instance, stealing Scarborough Shoal from our ally, the Philippines, in 2012, or from 2013 to 2015, building islands in the South China Sea, seven of them, three of which are the size of Pearl Harbor, and then watching Xi come to Washington, D.C.
and telling Obama, oh, I won't militarize them.
They're now militarized, and they were militarized by 2015-2016.
So I think the reality is, is that we had, you know, Wall Street providing money to help build the PRC and build these pictures that you're seeing, that folks are seeing on the screen of this big military.
We had the intelligence community, we had the academic community and our think tanks and the State Department, all going along with this notion that, well, we just need to get along with them and talk to them and they'll become more like us.
And now 30 years later, what we're seeing is that we've become more like them as we watch what we did in COVID and all these mandates and restrictions.
And so who's influenced who more?
And I think it's pretty clear.
And right now, the danger is, is that they've got the knife.
They've got the gun pointed at our head that we gave them, and they're willing to use it and.
That's the real concern that we have right now.
Why we wrote the book is to help provide warning and to awaken the American people, especially as we enter this election season.
You know, I could not agree more with what you just said there, this idea that not only, right, not only did the U.S. fuel the rise of the Chinese Communist Party and finance the rise of the Chinese Communist Party.
We're coming up on a break here, gentlemen, but in doing so, and I saw this when I worked in Shanghai at the American Chamber of Commerce, that business leaders and government leaders would come by and they would be engrossed and in many ways seduced by the power that business leaders and government leaders would come by and they would be engrossed and
The power, the total power, the absolute power the Chinese Communist Party had over the municipal planning areas of their ability to destroy businesses, destroy houses, to create their new mega projects, mega factories, mega trains, whatever it might be.
That they could immediately embrace progress and technological control and technocracy and roughshod over the rights of anyone who just happened to be in the middle.
And so in doing this, they brought that same type of system back with them to the West and the United States.
The book is Embracing Communist China.
Be right back with the authors, Dr. Bradley Thayer and Captain Jim Finnell.
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That was some of the graphic footage that we're getting from inside this concert hall in Moscow right now.
Like I said, we're going to be continuing to monitor the situation.
We're hearing that Russian response forces are on their way in to try to get people out, try to eliminate whatever threats are currently in there.
This is clearly a Bataclan-style attack like 2015 in Paris.
To my eyes, this is probably the worst Russian terror attack that they've experienced since the Beslan school massacre all the way back in 2004.
We're talking with Captain Jim Finnell and Dr. Blythe Thayer about the about embracing communist China and how the US elites have embraced this new Chinese technocratic model and I was wondering if you guys In your dealings with Americans that have conducted business or spent time in the Chinese sphere, the People's Republic, was that similar to my experience as well, where you saw people becoming more enamored with this China model?
And then you've heard people all the way up to Jamie Dimon of JP Morgan come out and say that we should seek to emulate the China model here in the West.
Well, we have encountered that and we've with great regret and sadness, we've seen individuals, business leaders, captains of industry.
Throughout the West and politicians, former politicians marvel at the ability of the Chinese Communist Party to control their population and to promote a quote-unquote efficiencies in their economy without any recognition of the fact that this is a regime which is murderous, tyrannical, illegitimate, absolutely illegitimate, which is oppressed
The Chinese people and a great civilization since it came to power in 1949.
Those people do not talk about the Muslim genocide in Xinjiang and other provinces, the crushing of Tibet, Hong Kong, the violation, gross human rights abuses, including of religious freedom throughout China and aggression in the South China Sea, East China Sea against India and very likely against Taiwan.
So it's incredibly odious.
And Jim already mentioned the the San Francisco.
Remember, Jack, the November meeting in San Francisco between the 400 business elite and Xi Jinping and the appalling behavior of Gavin Newsom, American business and Gavin Newsom of U.S. politicians and U.S. business elites.
So there does seem to be that admiration for a disgusting, appalling and odious tyrannical regime.
Captain Finnell, let me ask you this then, as we get to the last couple of minutes of the interview, you're someone who's studied this more closely than anyone for many years, and right up close in their AOR, in that AOR, do you believe this is something that America has the ability to combat if we're able to turn the ship?
And what can we do, if so, in order to defeat the Chinese Communist Party?
Well, as Brad and I say in many of these shows, we're Americans and so we clearly have a way to turn this around and right the ship.
We talk about what happened in the spirit of 1776 and how this nation was formed.
And you can go out throughout the history of our nation where we went through a number of existential threats internally and mostly externally.
And we were able to, as Americans, come together and fight this off.
We fought off Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan.
We fought the Soviet Union in the Cold War.
We've done this before.
It's hard, it takes hard work, it takes discipline, it takes people of virtue, and it takes people that are willing to get off their couches and get active in their communities.
It doesn't mean people have to march on the Capitol.
What it means is you have to be active in your community, and you have to be the light that shines around your sphere of influence.
To stand up when somebody says your child can have more than two genders.
Or to stand up when you see things not being followed.
Or where you see rules being broken.
Or whatever it is, you have a responsibility to not let things go.
And so that's what we have to do.
And when it comes to China, we have to elect the right people that are going to take action against China.
And not go along to make money or because they go along because they have an ideological predilection in favor of communism.
We have to get rid of those people.
They have to be voted out.
And we have to put people in that are going to stand firm and dig deep and do what our forebearers have done throughout the last two and a half centuries.
And we can do it.
It's hard, but we can do it.
We just need to make sure that we're coming together and being focused in what we do and being consistent and knowing right from wrong.
It's as simple as that.
Dr. Thayer, just two minutes left.
Tell people where they can get the book, but also talk a little bit about the economic things that the United States can do in order to fight back and try to rebalance this relationship.
Well, sure, Jack.
People can get the book wherever they buy books, online or elsewhere, or at Skyhorse Publishing, the publisher of the book.
And what people can do in terms of economic is to put pressure, use their dollars, obviously, to vote and to try to minimize their purchases or eliminate their purchases from People's Republic of China.
Put pressure on using, obviously, elements of civil society.
Put pressure on U.S. businesses, right, not to engage with the Chinese, not to trade with them.
and look at their 401ks.
Right.
To find out whether they're using whether their retirement is being invested in China, which too often is the case through the thrift savings plan for many government, U.S.
government and military.
Sadly, as Jack and Jim, both of you fall in that category, the thrift savings plan is heavily invested.
BlackRock, The book is embracing Communist China.
I'm sorry, that's all the time we have, guys.
Dr. Bradley Thayer, Captain Jim Finnell, God bless you both for what you're doing.
Honored to have you on today.
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