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If I were the Biden campaign, I would pay to have every American see the CPAC convention because the thing that has been thwarting Republicans in the midterms and since has been this impression of the Republican Party as an extreme party.
Yesterday you had someone stand up at the CPAC convention, a speaker, and basically talk about We almost toppled democracy on January 6th.
We're going to do it now with this.
And he held up a cross basically advocating for theocracy.
These are the very people who are pushing Trumpism into the future.
They're pushing Trumpism into the future and they're saying it like they're being patriotic when in fact they're being the opposite.
When you see them using the Bible in a distorted way, but even if they were using it in an actual way, that is against what the country was founded on.
Following some breaking news out of Athens, Georgia.
Two colleges have canceled classes today as police look for a murderer.
Laken Riley was described as a shining light.
Dean's List nursing student.
Police arrested 26-year-old Jose Antonio Ibarra.
Ibarra crossed into Texas illegally back in September of 2022, then was released into the United States on parole.
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The border is closed.
The border is secure.
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Look, the border is not open.
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ICE didn't even have time to put in a detainer on him because, hey, he was already back out on the streets.
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Today is February 27, 2024.
I'm Dominic.
So, I promised a response to Morning Mika, who was very unsettled about me and comments I made at CPAC.
Mika, When you see what's going on to the people of this country, when you see what's happening to regular folks out there, like the families of Lake and Riley, is this really the most important thing that's going on in the world?
Is this really the most important thing that's going on in our country?
Let me read for you the affidavit for arrest On Jose Ibarra, the Venezuelan illegal alien who had been released from custody in New York City after endangering a child, then went down to Georgia.
His brother lived there.
He was arrested in Georgia.
For crimes against Lake and Hope Riley in the state of Georgia, the prosecutor further states that the accused, Jose Antonio Ibarra, did commit the offense of aggregated battery when he maliciously caused bodily harm to another by seriously disfiguring her body or a member thereof by disfiguring her skull.
Lake and Hope Riley, 22 years old, At the University of Georgia.
She was a nursing student down there.
Out for a jog.
Just out for a jog.
And this depraved animal chased her down, beat her, and savaged her body so much that he disfigured her skull.
And more Namika's upset at me for holding up a rosary.
Well, you know something, Mika?
I do think it's time for a little bit more prayer in this country.
I think it's about time we have a little bit more turning towards the cross in this country because we can see what's being run amok across our border, across our land.
You want to talk about someone, some conflict going on 10,000 miles away?
How about the one that's going on right here in our own country?
Deport every single last one of them.
No more Lakin Rileys.
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So we're walking through here, the regime, once you focused abroad, the wars abroad, the war in Ukraine, the regime war there, and that is what it is.
It is a regime war.
Talk now of NATO countries, rumors upon rumors that NATO countries may get involved.
This is something I've been warning about for a long time.
And then meanwhile, we turn and we hear That our nursing students are being bludgeoned to death and having their skulls disfigured by illegal aliens running rampant over our country.
And Morning Mika, of course, is very upset that I held up a rosary at CPAC.
And I said something very, very naughty about democracy.
So, helping to make sense of all this, Darren Beattie from Revolver News joins us now.
Darren, we know that you're a noted democracy respecter, among other things.
Walk me through some of this.
We see this incredible story that comes out of the New York Times yesterday, admitting for the first time ever publicly the CIA's involvement in the Maidan coup.
We're at the 10 year anniversary of this, admitting that the CIA was training these, these elite commando units in Ukraine, which we find out by the way, at the end of the article, that they went a little bit rogue and started conducting assassination campaigns and terror campaigns within Russia.
We know of course that's going on to include attacks on high level Russian individuals like Alexander And in fact, I think this New York Times piece is a real bombshell.
There are a number of critical and salient points that I think we need to cover.
that they don't seem to want to talk about.
What's going on?
Well, there's a lot to talk about.
And in fact, I think this New York Times piece is a real bombshell.
There are a number of critical and salient points that I think we need to cover.
And I encourage everyone listening to this, if you haven't already, go and actually read the piece and follow along and reinforce what we're talking about.
So as you point out, it acknowledged the CIA's involvement in the Euromaidan coup.
For those who have high information people who watch your show and read revolver.news will know that this is one of the paradigmatic examples of what we call the color revolution.
And in fact, in our original Color Revolution series, now kind of classic series that we did in revolver.news, Euromaidan figured prominently as the theater of operations for one Victoria Nuland, the preeminent dominatrix of the color revolution methodology as it were.
What was this?
Well, it was a pretty egregious, flagrant case of election meddling, to put it mildly.
The Western powers, principally the U.S., principally the State Department and CIA, did what they're known for, which is overthrowing governments.
And they used utilizing this color revolution framework, mass mobilization in the streets, buttressed by nonstop propaganda, leveraging media sources, leveraging NGOs.
George Soros, of course, had a big hand in this and other sort of equivalents.
Within Russia, people like oligarchs in Russia, I guess castaway oligarchs, people like Boris Berezovsky and others.
So all the kind of usual suspects were involved in this conspicuous case of basically toppling over a elected leader who was sympathetic to Russia in some respects and installing a Western public puppet who's acknowledged in this New York Times piece to have a very deep and direct relationship Um, with the CIA, that's Poroshenko.
So that's sort of some of the background to this.
Now, as the article progresses, you talk about the assassination thing.
There's this sort of weird subtext where they're like, the CIA was doing this little courtship dance with their Ukrainian counterparts and they didn't, they wanted to keep the boundary of no lethal assistance, but it was sort of wink, wink, nod, nod.
It's like they gave them all of this training and equipment.
That could be used for defensive capabilities, but they fully recognize that they could also be used offensively as well.
It's like it's completely ridiculous, right?
Yeah, it's it's right.
They're describing it as it was.
I said yesterday on the show, it sounds like they're describing a hinge relationship that didn't go quite the way they panned out.
Right.
No, I mean, it's totally foreseeable.
And again, this is like the wink, wink, nod, nod, plausible deniability.
Oh, I can't believe they did this.
You know, I can imagine in some instances, the Ukrainian forces acting with a little bit too much enthusiasm and maybe overstepping the boundaries prescribed by Washington.
But, you know, there's a number of interesting things.
One is that at a particularly critical point in which these trained Ukrainian forces were basically engaged in terrorist attacks, like setting up explosives to blow up, you know, train tracks and various transportation routes in anticipation of um possible Russian mobilizations and so forth when this got and actually Darren this this would I this is what I really wanted to drill down on actually
so so don't bury the lead here that it sounds like the CIA was training up another proxy force yet again training all these Ukrainian nationalists the same way uh you know not not even a decade prior it was these or I guess it was actually in parallel with this if you actually lay the timelines out they were training these units in Ukraine at the same time they were training the quote-unquote moderate jihadis in Syria because they thought they could knock off Assad now of course the Ukraine situation
At the same time, they were training the, quote unquote, moderate jihadis in Syria because they thought they could knock off Assad.
Now, of course, the Ukraine situation, this was targeted at Putin.
this of course this was targeted at Putin eventually there was going to be this some some push to foment these operations across the border and eventually the target was always going to be the Kremlin In parallel with this, if you actually lay the timelines out, they were training these units in Ukraine.
Eventually, there was going to be some push to foment these operations across the border.
And eventually, the target was always going to be the Kremlin.
Then, just like in Syria, where the proxy force completely breaks off and essentially turns into what became ISIS, now you have these proxies going on to become, number one, the head of the entire Ukrainian military intelligence, this guy Budinov, but also conducting a series of assassinations. this guy Budinov, but also conducting a series of assassinations.
They're going after civilians in the Donetsk.
They're going after these, they're conducting these terror attacks.
So, I'm almost wondering, is this sort of like a letter to this, you know, almost to the Kremlin saying, hey, we didn't order any of that.
Just FYI, please, when you start rolling up our guys in Ukraine, I laugh, but it's ridiculous, but it's actually quite dark that, you know, they're knowing that when Russia starts rolling up their guys in Ukraine, they're saying, please don't, you know, give us the reprisals that we probably justly deserve for this.
Yeah, that's an interesting question as to sort of the meta story of this piece, like what political purpose does it serve?
Before getting into that, though, just there's some other some other points in the article.
One was so They're basically Ukrainian operatives, trained operatives, are caught red-handed, stepping far outside of the prescribed boundaries given to them by their Washington handlers.
And the one thing that salvaged that frayed relationship was the ostensible need for Ukrainian In exposing and providing intelligence in relation to Russian meddling in the election.
So it's very interesting to see as part of like a really important sort of sub theme within the article is the degree to which I guess geopolitical rationality in some ways is completely sacrificed to this Fool's gold obsession with Russian meddling in the election.
That's one thing that really struck me.
The other thing that struck me that's really interesting, and in fact, it's not surprising to those who serve in the Trump administration, but maybe to people who follow these things casually, is that they said, well, everyone was very concerned in 2016 when Trump was running and he seemed to have a cozy relationship with Putin, you know, whatever that means.
It's a kind of ridiculous statement, but they said, but luckily Trump staffed his cabinet administration with extreme Russia hawks who effectively continued the very same policy and even intensified these pre-existing policies of cooperation and collaboration with Ukrainian authorities.
And within the context of the CIA's number one priority remaining, Addressing the question of Russian meddling.
So under the Trump administration, the CIA run by Russia hawk Pompeo, Pompeo and Bolton, both Russia hawks.
The CIA maintains its cooperative relationship, maintains the same programs within the context of considering Russia meddling.
The very meddling that Trump knew was a hoax.
The very meddling that was effectively discredited in the Mueller report.
Was the number one CIA priority here, even under the Trump administration, which gives people a sense of what the deep state really means.
Well, and Darren, it also says that there were, and just before we go to break here, I'll remind everyone, that it specifically says that these same CIA individuals also took steps to conceal these relationships and these operations from President Trump, the highest echelons of the NSC.
We know, of course, wow, I wonder who it could have been.
I wonder if his name starts with the letter V, his last name.
Oh, that's right, Alexander Vindman, who served on President Trump's NSC, You know, they talk about influences.
These are influences.
And they're friends of mine, Jack Russovic.
blower case that led to Trump's first impeachment over what?
Oh, right.
Ukraine.
Be right back.
Darren Beattie connecting all the dots today here in Events Daily.
You know, they talk about influencers.
These are influencers and they're friends of mine.
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Jack.
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Darren Beattie is our guest right here.
On human events daily Darren, so we're going through this article and and there's these these it's just this bizarre relationship between CI station chiefs and the heads of Ukrainian intelligence and this guy booting off comes up through the unit is he's sort of the star of the Of the road.
Well, he's the star of the element right that's trained up this unit 2265 But then he kind of goes rogue, goes cowboy, starts killing Russians, killing civilians, conducting assassinations.
Then the head of the unit is assassinated.
His car is blown up by the Russians back in 2017.
And who's there at the vigil?
Of course, Marie Yovanovitch, the U.S.
ambassador, pouring out a whiskey for the head of the assassinations of this special unit.
It really shows how the U.S.
and this proxy force were indelibly interlinked here.
And so my big question, I guess, is why now?
Why put all this information out now when they've denied it for so many years, when so many of the players like Yovanovitch who were involved in President Trump's first impeachment over Ukraine, as well as Budinov, who's It's not the easiest question to answer.
Ukraine's military intelligence, as well as the guy who's out there saying that Navalny, by the way, wasn't killed, you know, by murder, that he died of a blood clot.
I'm trying to make some sense of what all is going on here.
Why would the New York Times put out something like this at this juncture?
You know, that's a great question to ask.
It's not the easiest question to answer.
There could be a multifactorial explanation.
I think just the timing of it is telling.
It seems to be at a critical moment for those who are kind of interested in prolonging this war.
There are several references to the existential threat of Republicans not going along with perpetual funding packages for the operation, even saying that this carefully crafted CIA-Ukraine relationship going all the way back to Euromaidan could be in jeopardy if the Republicans refuse to play ball.
And I think partly we have to think of this in the aftermath of J.D.
Vance's very admirable and effective public efforts in calling into question what our actual objectives are in continuing to dump tens and tens and tens, really hundreds at this point, of billions of dollars into something with
You know, no clear goal other than to, you know, allow some of these CIA people to play these spy games and kind of some grandiose and exaggerated fashion with no particular reason to fill the coffers of our defense contractors.
And of course, to enrich the corrupt oligarchs in Ukraine who are responsible, arguably more so than Russia.
for the immiseration of the Ukrainian people.
So I think that sort of political element is uh certainly a part of it and there could also be um concurrent objectives for instance telegraphing this information to Russia and you know kind of blaming certain things on Ukraine
but I don't see how ultimately one could read this and not just be reinforced in the notion that the U.S. and Ukraine are you know at in essence um the same thing when it comes to these types of operations.
Well, you know, it certainly, if anything, I think the biggest takeaway from all of this, number one, is that it backs up pretty much everything that Putin had said to Tucker Carlson a couple of weeks ago, specifically talking about the CIA building bases in Ukraine along the border with the target, by the way, not being the defense of Ukraine, the target being this, call it what it is, it was a shadow war that the CIA was waging against Russia.
Which now, look, spy on spy stuff happens all the time.
We have a huge history of this with the Russians, by the way, back to the time when they were the Soviet Union.
But it doesn't usually spill over into this level of bloodshed.
But it could be, perhaps, that it was this unit or this unit's rogue motions that led to Russia eventually doing what they did and conducting this invasion two years ago.
But I would say that it certainly eviscerates the narrative that there was that this was unprovoked aggression on behalf of the Russian state.
Sounds like they were provoked quite extensively.
And that's you know, that's such an interesting thing, because I think ultimately, you know, we're Americans, we're America first.
And we say whatever advances American interests, that's what we should do, regardless of whether or not it's like, quote unquote, fair or reciprocal.
But in this case, we really have to look at, you know, what are the stakes here?
And it seems like the stakes are we, you know, as a quid pro quo, you know, to use a kind of loaded phrase, but the quid pro quo was us basically, you know, doing everything Ukraine wants, building up their intelligence apparatus to antagonize Russia.
And in exchange, we get some like fake flimsy information about these hacker groups that turned out to be a complete non-entity, even according to the Mueller report.
It's such a bad deal and it's just so geopolitically sloppy when you think about what we're actually getting out of this versus, for instance, what the stakes would have been in the Cold War.
And also, you know, just to do an analysis on these things, it's important and it's unfortunate that so few decision makers have this capability of looking at things from the other side to really understand the situation.
Well, I really do think that in this situation, the difference from the Cold War to now is that in the Cold War, the United States was attempting and we know this from the, you know, the memos that were written at the time from the State Department, that the United States was attempting to isolate that the United States was attempting to isolate the spread of international communism.
Because again, you had this, this group of virulent communists that took over the state treasury of Russia and then we're attempting to export communism throughout the entire world.
Now, that's not the case in Russia.
Which country, or I should say, which group of people, which group of national leaders in the world is attempting to be expansionary?
It's the West.
It's the Atlanticists.
Guess what, boys and girls?
It turns out we're the ones who are trying to advance what we call the international rules-based order.
and take over the internal affairs and internal doctrine of every single country on the planet.
We are now the expansionist powers.
We were the ones that were conducting these color revolutions.
We were the ones that were conducting shadow wars against the Russian state and picking the fight for no reason other than ideology.
We are the ones that are emboldened by a radical ideology the way the Russians were when they were controlled by the communists.
It's kind of so Darren, it's sort of like an inversion in terms of geopolitics here.
It's certainly an inversion and it underscores just how needlessly and foolishly aggressive we've been in this domain of, you know, we know that Ukraine is a den of corruption, but it's, you know, that goes part and parcel with Ukraine being a bastion of U.S. independence.
intelligence and all for what?
So we can antagonize Russia on their own borders?
I mean, again, you know, by analogy, if if Russia or China or some other country were doing anything remotely the equivalent of this, everyone would be going apoplectic, not only Fox News, but across our news stations, they'd be calling for total war and such.
And so the question is, what do we get out of this provocation?
And it's not clear that we get that much, if anything.
Aaron, imagine imagine Sean Hannity the night that that we find out that Russia was installing bases along the Mexican border and training, let's say, Mexican cartel members to go across the border and attack Americans.
Right, exactly.
Imagine like you'd think of that.
Imagine if Russia were responsible for a policy that compelled us to not enforce our border security such that we're allowing unprecedented numbers of millions and millions of illegal aliens and criminals coming into our interior and murdering innocent American citizens.
Imagine if Russia were responsible for something like that.
You know, it's like maybe maybe we should just maybe maybe we should just try to, you know, I don't know.
We'll go down and we'll put some memes up.
We'll get Ricky Vaughn to make some memes that say Russia was behind it.
And then finally, we can get some MSN coverage.
Indeed.
No, that would be very interesting.
And another thing, I don't know if you've discussed on this show, but it is interesting to see Putin kind of Well, I think, as you and I have said, and we've only got about a minute left that we have you, I think, I really do think that it seems as though Russia may have given up, by and large, its aims to engage with the wider West.
And I think those lie at the bottom of the ball tick along with Nord Stream 2.
Indeed, and by the way, Nord Stream 2, that is no longer a subject of investigation by Danish authorities.
They basically just said- Case closed!
There's nothing to see here.
Case closed, there's nothing to see here.
Not a word out of them, not a word out of Germany, not a word out of anybody, which is a nice- You know what I hear?
I hear that the last thing that Nord Stream 2 posted on Facebook was that it had information that would lead to the arrest of Hillary Clinton.
I mean, I can't confirm that, but I did hear that on the internet.
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Raheem Kassam of The National Pulse joins us next to talk more about the 10-year anniversary of Maidan, the Ukraine coup, and what's going on now with the U.S.
government.
This latest story on New York Times.
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Incredible and I just think surprising, very surprising story that we read in the New York Times going all the way back to the days of the Maidan coup which took place in this week, this very week, 10 years ago, so late February 2014 at a time where Ukraine's duly elected government was thrown out of power
Russia then moves in to secure its positions, particularly the Sevastopol naval base in Crimea, which led to the Crimean crisis.
All of this kicking off the Donbass war a decade ago.
A man who was there on the ground and can tell us firsthand what he witnessed is Raheem Kassam.
Raheem, how are you?
I'm well.
Thank you for having me, Jack.
Well, I promised folks that we'd get you on.
And the question that I have is, you know, you've been saying this for years at this point, talking about the Maidan coup, talking about everything that took place.
Did you ever expect that the New York Times, no less, would come out, tell us what happened, and did you know, by the way, that when you were there, apparently, according to the New York Times again, that John Brennan, the head of the CIA, was landing in an unmarked plane, apparently at the same airport that you used?
Well, yes, in a sense, there was a lot of chatter on the ground at the time about, well, multiple different elements coming in.
There was CIA, of course, naturally, State Department, naturally, European Union, Brussels, the United Kingdom, Westminster, Foreign Office, lots of talk about that at the time.
And we were very interested in trying to get to the bottom of what was really going on.
So if you cast your mind back, To 2014, an old friend of mine said to me, well, you know, should we go to Kiev?
I said, what on earth would we want to go there for?
He said, how often in your life do you get a revolution on your doorstep?
And here I am on Capitol Hill, by the way, where we had similar scenes.
Well, you know, Rahim, it just flashed forward a couple of years later.
And of course, I was your friend that day.
That's right.
So off we went to Kiev, not really knowing what to expect and honestly not particularly assured in our perspectives on this either way.
That came as we walked around the Medan Square, as we explored the different tents, the different offerings, the different communications, speeches.
Leaflets, pamphlets, talking to people around the fireplaces, really getting to grips with what was going on and it became apparent to me very quickly that this was going to turn into a hot war as a result of really EU expansionism is how I perceived it back then.
Now we can trace lines closer to, well we can trace lines closer to Langley, we can trace lines closer to Foggy Bottom here in Washington DC and also to NATO.
To answer the question as to whether or not I thought the New York Times would do this, well yeah, call me naive, but I actually expected the New York Times to do it in, oh I don't know, 2014 or 2015, but we all soon learned This was part of the op.
The media buying into this, they still do it.
Yes, somebody at the New York Times may once in a while be able to get a special investigation published on a Sunday.
But on a day-to-day basis, the American public, the British public, the European public, the Ukrainian public, And to whatever extent they can, the rest of the world is still told that this is a Putin war of aggression that could have been avoided by Putin just caving to NATO expansionism.
We now know, of course, and unfortunately I have to tell everybody to read the New York Times, but we now know that there is so much more information out there to play with.
So, you know, here we go again.
Well, so Rahim, you're someone who is very adept on understanding how newsrooms work, particularly on the mainstream media side, in a way that I think few on the right actually understand.
So, that being the case, why is it then, on this 10th anniversary, at a time where $60 billion might be on the line, you've got this guy Zelensky who's blasting JD Vance and others in the United States, for demanding that we put border funding and ICE deportation funding alongside this Ukraine bill.
Why would they publish a story like this and sort of turn around and just verify everything that we've been saying for years?
It's a very good question and it goes to institutionality, I think.
And I'd be keen to hear your thoughts on this as well, Jack.
For me, this is aimed at trying to win over those people in the middle who, while they might not like the idea of Splashing a load of cash around again, and who may be hearing from the constituents at home that this is not a good thing as far as they're concerned.
That the institutions actually have been involved in this for a very long time, don't you know?
And we've already spent a lot of money here, don't you know?
And we'd hate for that to have all been wasted, don't you know?
Also, the CIA isn't an enemy you want to make, don't you know?
And that, you know, can Have a splash effect on everything that goes on.
It's pretty much aimed at middle-of-the-road lawmakers here in Washington DC to kind of twist their arms and say, Yeah, there is a long-term geopolitical strategy that's being played out here.
And if you force us to abandon it now, you're effectively giving Vladimir Putin a win geopolitically.
It's fair in a sense when you consider it from their perspective.
The problem is their perspective is retarded.
Their geopolitical compass is broken.
The strategies they're deploying Have failed now for decades on end and more importantly than anything else when we live in a world where we're constantly told that democracy is the most important thing and democracy dies in darkness.
The most important thing here is the public aren't buying it.
Support for this war is now an all-time low since it started, and support for the politicians who continue to try to prop up this war are also at an all-time low.
Now, if you want to pretend that somehow this means that Vladimir Putin is going to be marching his troops through Paris next week, then you can pretend that till you're blue in the face.
What I think serious-minded, level-headed, policymakers should be thinking of now is actually how do we come to a new geopolitical settlement in the Western world?
By the way, I'd be remiss if I didn't notice that one of your favorites is given a key cameo in this story.
Yes, Marie Yovanovitch, Masha herself, pouring out a shot glass of whiskey after the Russians assassinated the head of this elite CIA-trained unit there in 2017.
She appears right at the memorial, giving her show of support to pour one out for the The brave Ukrainian nationalists.
It's amazing how... For the homies!
...Yanovich, and then Vindman, and all of the names that all the way back in 2019 that we were putting together, and I remember visiting you at the War Room, and you had your boxes of testimonies stacked everywhere, and you were one step away from getting out the shoestrings and coloring in the connections, that all of a sudden those names that we focused on back then are all coming back.
Yeah, that's right.
And, you know, you've probably noticed, Jack, and I'll share with the audience as well, that it's been an incredibly frustrating process to go through all of this.
And sometimes I just sort of shrug and say, what's the point, right?
What is the point of me going over this stuff over and over again, when in reality, these votes in Congress, these decisions that are being taken, are so very rarely taken in the long term interest of the nation.
Almost never taken in the interests of the voting public.
And so especially when you look at such a massive issue like this geopolitical issue, geostrategic issue.
And there are so many stakeholders involved in this and frankly shareholders involved in this.
How do you actually come to move the needle on it?
Well you come to move the needle on it by again coming back to a new geopolitical settlement and I think that's what Trump represented and that's why they went after Trump on specifically on the Ukraine issue.
They had vested so much in an already clearly failing policy that they couldn't have A second term of him coming along and going through all of that information and going through all of that data and going through all those checkbooks and saying, well, hold on a minute.
What exactly are we doing here?
We're provoking a war.
We're not stopping a war.
We couldn't possibly be wrong.
We were doing this with the best of intentions.
Raheem Kassam, National Pulse, be right with us after the break here at Human Events Daily.
Long hours.
I'm always listening to Human Events with Jack Posobiec.
Alright, Jack Posobiec back live, Human Events Daily.
We're speaking with Raheem Kassam.
You know, Raheem, we're discussing about how much we've been over this, been over these stories over the last decade, going through the same names again and again that just seem to keep coming up.
So many people, and I keep saying, they're named John Brennan, right?
They wanted us.
This was the guy who was behind Russiagate.
He was behind Russiagate because the real scandal was Ukraine gate.
And people even forget, many people forget that Paul Manafort was actually someone who was directly affected by a Ukrainian disinformation operation.
He was forced to step down as Trump's campaign manager over completely false allegations.
And this this these fall, this false ledger is called the Black Ledger that was found in Ukraine by many of these same shadowy organizations.
That was direct election interference that had a verifiable and tangible result as opposed to the sort of nebulous Russian interference that we're told we're supposed to care about.
So very, very much.
In our democracy that Mourning Amica is very, very unsettled that I am destroying.
But Rahim, let's bring it back to 2024 because we're in a situation where all of this has been put on the same table as apparently as the lives of our citizens like young Lakin Riley, the student down in Georgia, who was mercilessly beaten and murdered while out for a jog.
It's a big question.
migrant.
How can can any regime, how could any government equate some sort of geopolitical adventure to something as basic as law and order and the safety and security of your citizens?
It's a big question.
I'll take it from a 2024 kind of election interference perspective first.
I look at NBC this weekend and they have a headline, you know, Russia is already interfering in the 2024 election.
And And it's a 2,000 word article and I was so stunned by how vacuous it was that I sent it to my entire team and I said, am I missing something here?
Have they pointed out any actual election interference that's occurring here?
And you read that story and we have a pre-see of it up at the National Pulse.
You can go and read the whole thing if you want.
Um and and there isn't anything all there is is is the Biden national security team going oh well yeah no of course it is in Russia's interest to interfere in the election well uh you know Vladimir Putin comes out a couple of weeks ago and he says look Joe Biden is better for Russia, quote, right?
That is a quote.
Better for Russia than Donald Trump would be.
And that should be abundantly obvious, of course, to anybody who follows not just politics on a day-to-day basis, but also follows geopolitically where the world stands now versus where it stood under Donald Trump.
But you also see the PsyOps beginning, not just from that perspective, but from the TikTok perspective, right?
You see them starting from the NATO perspective as well.
I couldn't believe it, by the way.
I was...
God, I cannot believe the gall of these people sometimes.
I was reading an op-ed, I think it was in The Hill, and it was by the Atlantic Council, you know, this NATO incubator, this adjacent creative set, the think tank set that come out of the NATO apparatus, and In the article, they said, well, you know, Donald Trump can talk all he wants about getting more money into NATO, but more money doesn't actually help NATO.
Well, OK, fine, if you don't want it, then you don't get it.
He was then also saying, you know, the Europeans can't actually put up enough of a field army themselves anyway, can't deploy anything, you know, don't have any military readiness.
And then I thought to myself, yeah, that's exactly also what Donald Trump and MAGA has been saying for all this time.
And then finally the argument in the same op-ed was made that actually Russia doesn't pose an existential threat to Europe.
Yeah, it's also what we've been saying.
So you see that their perspective, and a lot of these people I used to respect, by the way, especially in my late teens and early twenties, as I was reading around all these topics, their perspective has now changed.
From being, you know, what advances the American national interest, even from what advances the American foreign policy establishment interest, to simply whatever position Donald Trump and MAGA take, we are going to take the diametrically opposite position for the sake of it.
And that alone undergirds their entire political philosophy.
That is the thesis now.
Whatever they say, we're against.
And I think between now and the election, that will be the prevailing theme.
And so essentially, you know, if you come out and say, I'm against illegal immigrants, I'm against or, you know, excuse me, I'm for illegal or, you know, for deportations, I'm against illegal immigrants, I want more border security, then the Democrats are going to say, no, we don't want any of those things.
We don't want safety.
We don't want security.
They'll try to have some, you know, some imaginary discussion about IVF and say that, oh, the Republicans are trying to take this way, even when I don't think any Republican on record, certainly not any of the ones that are running or even the ones in Alabama are saying things like this in the wake of this.
They're desperate to change the conversation, is my point.
And they thought this would be a layup for them when unfortunately what's really going on in this country, and it's horrific that I have to say this, but there's a new Lake and Riley that takes place every single day in this country.
Okay.
This is one of the ones that we've heard about the story is taken off because the fact this guy slipped through.
The net in New York City.
I was going to put it on Alvin Bragg, but apparently it was one county over.
So it's Alvin Bragg's colleague, the Queens DA, who is actually the one that let him out.
Of course, Leticia James could have played a role if her office was working closer with ICE and she wasn't so focused on trying to get Trump, then she could have gotten the murderers and rapists Off the streets of her city and in fact out of the country by simply handing them over to ICE.
Last Minute, Raheem Kassam.
Yeah, I'll come back to the point, you know, it's kind of a version of the wonderful Kang and Kodo scene from The Simpsons' Treehouse of Horror, right?
If Donald Trump gets up there and says, abortions for nobody, they go, boo.
If he goes, okay, well, abortions for everybody, boo.
Well, okay, abortions for some, miniature American flags for all.
But still, even on the compromise point that Donald Trump has been making in recent months, The chorus from the globalist left, from the progressive left, from the corporate class has still been, boo!
So again, my point being, whatever this guy comes out and says, they will oppose.
