Feb. 17, 2024 - Human Events Daily - Jack Posobiec
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THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 33 — The Big Fani Whammy? Glee? Kill Pedos?
In this week’s ThoughtCrime, Charlie Kirk, Jack Posobiec, Tyler Bowyer, and Blake Neff engage with many compelling questions, including:-Was the TV show Glee the "plague ship of wokeness"?-Should pedophiles get the death penalty?-Is Fani Willis's televised demise the best story of 2024 so far?THOUGHTCRIME streams LIVE exclusively on Rumble, every Thursday night at 8pm ET.Go to https://twc.health/cj and use promo code CJ for 10% off the Medical Emergency KitSupport the Show.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard to this week's edition of ThoughtCrime.
Today, myself, Charlie Kirk, and the gang discuss Fannie Willis.
What can I say?
We're going to get into it next.
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If there was ever a day that was made for this program, It is today, February 15th, year of our Lord, 2021.
We have Blake Neff.
Hello!
Master historian Tyler Boyer, ballot chaser extraordinaire.
Happy to be here, Charlie.
And Jack Posobiec, who's on Lent and he gave up being cruel for Lent.
Is that right?
I gave up being cruel online to people, so I have to be nice to everyone online for 40 days until Easter Sunday.
And so this of course includes all podcasts, all on air content.
So that includes anyone we talk about, all the co-hosts.
I have to be nice.
I cannot be mean.
He has to be sweet.
Tyler said one of the funniest things in the chat.
He said, it feels as if 2020 will never end.
All of this is just this overflow.
Right, Blake?
This is not the topic for today, but it is an interesting thing.
It's the never ending, it's been this nonstop connective thread from like February of 2020 till today.
It just hasn't stopped.
It's like the old, I remember the joke where it's like, I've been alive for four decades.
You know, the, The 90s, the 0s, the 10s, and March 2020.
It just hasn't stopped.
It's been one non-stop thing.
So, in this next chapter in saga, I feel as if this is season 28 of Donald Trump being the luckiest man alive.
It is truly unbelievable.
No, it is season 28 of just, if I were to make it the Netflix special, just called The Lucky Man.
Yeah.
Right?
It is a picture with him, a thumbs up and a MAGA hat, because this is one of the more lucky developments in the history of the civilization.
I feel like Donald Trump personally disproves the concept of entropy, that physics thing.
The world advances towards greater simplicity because Donald Trump completely defies all of that.
That's right.
So Blake, for those of the uninitiated that haven't turned on their television all day, what happened in Fulton County?
I assume those people must have given up TV for Lent or something.
I don't know why they're watching this show, if so.
Fulton County, the left staked a lot of hopes on this one.
It was the one, I feel like they got the most personal satisfaction from it.
Like the weird thrill.
Yeah, they really liked the idea that Fulton County, which symbolized the most shocking development of that evening, that Georgia was able to flip blue, all of these things, and then Trump Yeah, complained about it, and then he was repudiated and now, now Fannie Willis, the DA of Fulton County, where Atlanta is, was going to criminally charge Trump for his election interference of trying to call members of the state legislature.
The indictment was incredible.
It was literally criminalizing him that he called lawmakers and said that they should go to a special session.
I think part of the criminal indictment was that he Encourage people to tune into the television.
I believe there was all sorts of wild stuff very strange and So she's going to indict Trump for all these bad things.
They did and a million co-conspirators.
There's 18 or 19 people involved and Lo and behold out of nowhere we get This filing from one of Trump's co-defendants and I This filing says, hey, you know, Fannie Willis, you've, um, you've kind of done some bad stuff.
And it kind of seems like a Hail Mary, seems really wild.
Yeah, because for just to interject, people do these motions all the time.
For sure.
As Hail Marys, right?
You know, bail me out, half court shot, right?
Yeah.
It just so happens.
And it seemed, there wasn't a lot of proof in it initially.
I remember it popping up.
And you were a little skeptical.
Yeah, I was like, well, there's not, They don't have the receipts in here.
This is a pretty aggressive allegation to make, but there's not proof in the filing.
They couldn't be this stupid.
They couldn't be this stupid is the thinking.
Well, they were.
They were that stupid, it seems.
And corrupt and just craven.
Just awful.
I would say something about giving up porn for Lent or something because it was a very pornographic display today.
It was very graphic.
And by the way, Nathan Wade was the one that was inviting.
Very titillating.
Yeah, he was the one that was inviting the sexual conversation.
You guys are just, you guys are trying to get me to do something right now.
I'm not going to do that.
Keep fasting, Jack.
And so it was at one point the cross examiner asked Nathan Wade, well, did you have a relationship?
And Nathan Wade said, do you mean did I have sexual intercourse with him?
I'm like, okay, bro, like, here we go.
And then we're getting into this idea of what matters what the definition of is is.
And like, we're almost there, right, Blake?
We're almost at, like, was there touching?
Was there rubbing?
I mean, it's really graphic.
Did you ever have flesh touch with Miss Fanny's flesh?
No, that's where we're at, right?
And so, then, there's so many, we gotta play some of these pieces.
Can we play the cabin?
The cabin one is the best.
Yeah, what's the cabin one here?
So the cabin one is... Yes, let's play clip 106.
For the record, this is one of the greatest pieces of tape in the history of Poly.
You remember booking a cabin?
I booked lots of cabins.
Did you go to a cabin with Miss Willis ever?
He looks up.
Ever.
One, one thousand, two, one thousand, three, one thousand, four, one thousand, five, one thousand, six, one thousand, seven, one thousand, eight, one thousand, nine, one thousand, two thousand, seven thousand, two thousand, two thousand, two thousand, two thousand, two thousand.
Nice tie.
That was a great tailor.
Look how well fitting his suit is.
21 seconds.
That went 21 seconds.
He's wearing it right there.
No, he didn't freeze.
Here's what he was doing.
He said, I brought a lot of women to cabins.
Was that fanny?
Can I go to prison for this?
Was that a woman with a big fanny?
It's like Giannis trying to take a free throw.
And it's like, which, which answer is more jail?
Like if he tells the truth, he says yes, or if he lies and says no.
And it was truly, truly astonishing.
And just every layer of it, like, You know, maybe they'll somehow get away with it, but it seems like they thought, okay, our best calculated strategy here is to say, yes, we were in a relationship, yes, we spent time together, yes, we went on vacation together, yes, I paid for it with my business card that goes to my firm, which is being paid by the taxpayers of Fulton County, but she reimbursed me.
And how did she reimburse me?
All in cash.
This is where it gets really interesting, right?
Because They thought they could get away with a lie.
It's obvious, right?
They thought that they... There was no reimbursement.
I mean, it's just... It's so obvious.
So then, they start drilling down, well, where'd you get the cash from?
And... Jack, are you allowed to contribute to this, or are you just a bystander at this point?
I, look, I mean, no, I can, I can comment on whether or not it was good testimony, right?
Like, like, just because, just because I have to be, like, just because I can't be mean about it, like, I can certainly give analysis, right?
He's gonna go one bit.
And, and the analysis, no, I can make this, alright?
I can do this.
It, this testimony was not good.
This was definitely not the type of testimony that you would expect from people who are Um, not only currently like, like prosecutors of people that are prosecuting and not just like take Trump out of it, right?
Just, just prosecuting any criminal at all.
Like these are not the people that you want to have that power in your society.
Because as you say, they're, they don't seem like, and, and Wade, and we haven't even gotten to, to Willis's testimony yet, but it just doesn't seem like they prepared.
It doesn't seem like they asked, they, uh, you know, went over any of the possible questions that they would be asked.
doesn't it feel like they read the brief?
Or even, Blake, to your point, doesn't it feel like they read any of the accusations that came out of Mike Roman's testimony, the great Mike Roman?
Or, by the way, it's like, and by this guy, Wade is being divorced right now.
And so a lot of this is actually a function of the divorce hearings.
Because as you say, the receipts weren't in Roman's testimony, but then like two days later, I mean, we're in like very much, I can't say it, a reality show scenario, let's just say, of Fulton County.
And so the divorce court is where we get those receipts.
And so it's like, has this guy even been paying attention to the, I question whether he has been paying attention to the proceedings to which he is a party.
Yeah, and Jake, Blake, go ahead.
No, no, it's just, I had the thought earlier, it is just truly stupendous that they have built up this massive monolith to destroy, She was supposed to be the one!
Yeah, they had the headline, we showed the headline, Miss Magazine, this is, they're like, it's so fitting that she's going to lead the charge and then It specifically is blowing up because of her.
Not even it incidentally is failing, but she's doing it.
She screwed it up and in such a comical way, like just the most, oh, we got a free piggy bank from the taxpayers.
Oh, I'll just, I'll hire my boyfriend and we can give him all of this money and he can bill 24 hours a day.
Why not?
We'll just bill 24 hours a day and you know, money everywhere.
And then we're going to fly to Belize and we're going to go to that tattoo parlor and we're going to go to that massage place.
Oh, And Aruba.
Aruba!
Play Cut 105.
Recently retired, and I decided to take my mother on a cruise.
Okay.
And the second leg after the cruise concluded, DA Willis and I went to Aruba.
So that was all one trip, if you will.
Okay.
Now we would play the Beach Boys song, but we're not allowed to.
We can like sing it.
I thought we could play it if we comment on it.
I don't know.
The rules are all screwed up.
Haters gonna hate, man.
Are the Beach Boys still alive?
Didn't their copyright expire by now?
Sadly, I think all copyrights are active while the original creator is alive.
And there are allegedly still Beach Boys who are alive.
We like the Beach Boys.
A lot of those guys are still conservative, I think.
So where is this going to end?
I mean, and by the way, CNN is doing their best.
They say this on the front page of CNN.
They say, highlights from Fannie Willis' fiery testimony.
Fiery, okay.
It was mostly peaceful.
I mean, it was fiery in the sense that this project they built up is burning down very quickly.
Oh, by the way, if you dare criticize Fannie Willis having tons of cash at home, you're a racist.
Play Cut 133.
I thought her portrayal of why it is that she pays for things in cash and has lots of cash on hand was very compelling.
Basically it was a life lesson she learned from her father and then sort of joked about the way that she was raised by that old black man as she referred to him.
Basically it's black culture is what Fannie Willis' defense is.
It's like so depressing.
And she did that in the church too.
And MSNBC is just buying that.
And she did the, you know, she stood up in that church and said, you know, these people attacking me.
I think she was still denying the relation.
She was either denying it or that was when she admitted it.
But she said, you know, all the attacks were based on race there.
And of course, that's part of what's so upsetting about this is you do your personal bad behavior and you're just going to drag everyone in your culture with you down with it.
It's disgusting to do that.
Uh, that was Michael Vick's defense with the dogfighting.
Yeah.
Was it with that he had a bunch of cash around the house to go pay people for pitbulls?
You don't remember this?
No, his, his, his defense for Michael Vick's defense for dogfighting was that this is part of black culture.
And he was like, and it was just strange because He was the one saying that it was, uh, that he was the one trying to racialize it when it clearly was something that he had been, uh, you know, obviously, um, criticized by a lot of other teammates who also happen to be black.
So it was like, no, why are you trying to play the race card to get out of your own bad behavior?
That's all I'm saying.
Let's play, um, Fanny, by the way, there's a little disagreement of when the relationship ended.
Is it still ongoing?
Play cut 124.
She asked about a personal relationship.
She asked when the romantic relationship ended.
That's the question.
Sometime in, I'd say late summer of 2023.
But I don't believe men, because this is what you're really asking about, this is the salaciousness of all of this, right?
No, I'm just asking about your romantic relationship.
When you stopped dating.
I think that me and Mr. Wade, So he's a man.
He probably would say June or July.
I would say we had a tough conversation in August.
Wait, hold on.
Did she say because he's a man?
Is that what she said?
She said because he's a man.
He's a man.
She defended his...
He's virile.
She defended his manhood many times, but then called out his manhood for cutting the relationship early.
Do we have the clip, the we broke bread?
Do we have that clip?
That one's going really viral.
Let's play Cut 118.
We'll get that one.
As of May the 30th, 2023, you had done a lot of entertaining of Ms.
Willis, had you not.
I had done some, yes.
And in fact, under your testimony, you would have said that she had also entertained you.
Isn't that correct?
Yes.
She's not your spouse at that time or any time, correct?
That's correct.
She's not related to you by blood or marriage, correct?
That's correct.
But she entertained you, right?
Yes.
Totally believable.
Entertained?
No, I see no reason to question this.
They've entertained us.
No, this has been quite entertaining for all of us.
Sorry, continue Blake.
I think what stands out, you said CNN's trying to cover for it as desperately.
I think this really actually captures the difference between two popular punching bags, which is we have CNN and we have MSNBC.
And MSNBC is sort of more left-wing than CNN, but they're also more honest than CNN.
And so, they actually were having a meltdown during the day.
They're like, she seems to have lied, and if she lied, this is over.
And then, but CNN is the more anti-Trump network.
They're very psychotic about it.
They're also more delusional.
They're more delusional, and they do the more insane stuff.
You know, they're the ones who have, they hate Trump so much that they'll have a guy on and he'll call Don Lemon the N-word on air and stuff to prove that Trump is bad.
It's really bizarre.
MSNBC doesn't go quite as insane.
Let's see, where's the...
There's so many clips here.
This is 117, MSNBC.
They're beginning the eulogy.
Play cut 117.
Legalistic-centric and yet so important and fascinating.
Right.
Don't let the legalese fool you.
This is epic.
This is monumental.
If things are going in the direction we think Fannie Willis lied to the court, it's game over for her.
She will be disqualified if they had a relationship prior to when they represented to the court.
It's a huge deal.
I can't overstate it.
Yeah, so without getting too deep into this, Jack, you could look at the... Basically, she's already dead to rights based on just the timeline.
Forget the cash, and forget the cabins, and forget Aruba, and forget Belize, and forget Jamaica.
Just the fact that they have perjured themselves based on the relationship window.
That sign sealed and delivered.
All the rest is basically entertainment and icing on the cake.
Is that correct, Jack?
That's exactly right.
There's lots of viral clips, there's lots of memes that are coming out of this that of course I have been receiving and yet will not be sharing because again, I have 40 days, I will be nice.
So the real meat and potatoes of this though is the fact that she lied to the court in, not in this hearing, but in a previous filing when she stated there was no relationship prior to his hire at the Fulton, using her power as the Fulton County DA.
essentially when she brought him on for this Trump case.
She said there was no relationship prior to this, and now we have documentary evidence that there was a relationship prior, and I think everyone kind of suspected that anyway.
Jack, you can continue.
Let's put number 99 on screen while he's talking here.
Put that up.
Yep.
Keep going, Jack.
Okay, yeah.
So, right.
So she, and this is, I believe, the actual questionnaire from earlier, but she lied to court.
So when you make a direct lie to the judge like this, that there was no relationship, then that's it.
No household expenses, no cohabitating, and this, and Charlie, to your point, this is why this, There was so much quibbling and so much consternation about, well, and if people had watched the, I got to say, I was in and out of this hearing because I was doing other stuff today because I have like a life outside of this.
But, and it went on for quite some time.
And there was a lot of back and forth over what does the phrase cohabitating live?
What does, or mean, what does the phrase stay?
Well, he was staying with me.
Well, how long is staying?
How long do you have to stay with someone to that to be cohabitating?
And just, I mean, you just lied.
You just straight up lied to the court.
And, and I don't think that any judge or any, you know, fancy word games are going to wake their way out of it.
You can't trick your way past the judge that you know you like.
And I will say just, and I watched probably one-tenth of this, what I saw from the judge is the judge was actually sympathetic to the cross-examiners.
There was one moment where the cross-examiner used imprecise language that was obviously a little bit, you know, let's just say more colorful.
He used the word scamper.
He's like, oh, did you go down and scamper to the ATM?
And the judge allowed it.
And like, that's unusual, right?
Like, usually the judge is like, nope, rephrase.
You know, did you go down to the end?
The judge was continually very sympathetic to this line of questioning.
I think it helps that they're only speaking to the judge in the first place.
And this isn't a jury trial yet.
It's just a hearing.
The judge will have to decide on it himself.
So I mean, I believe, I mean, do we want to make a prediction on this?
I mean, the judge does not seem as if Sometimes a judge will do a motion like this, and he could have just cut it off.
Like, I've heard enough.
She's fine.
He let this thing really bleed.
I mean... I... Almost as if he's setting the table to justify his dismissal of the prosecution.
Again, if they dismiss Fannie, it doesn't mean the prosecution is over.
It's enormously damaging to its credibility.
But they could transfer the case to another DA's office.
They could just re-domicile it to a neighboring county or, you know, bring in a special counsel other than a non-boyfriend special.
It would basically delay this past the election, almost certainly.
Yeah, and they have to get caught up to speed, right?
And not to mention all the other counties.
Let me ask you a question.
to be as judicious.
And you need to, you'd quite plausibly need to flush the entire staff.
So they'd need months just to get up to speed on the evidence.
This would allow him to challenge that it should be dropped because of all these improprieties.
It would muck the case.
Let me ask you a question for someone who has already pled guilty like Jenna Ellis.
Is she able to reconsider that guilty plea if the prosecutors taken off the case?
Truthfully, I don't know.
Jack, do you have any idea?
It would depend on the specifics of the deal.
It's not impossible, but again, it would have to go, you know, was that written into the deal?
Was that something that was agreed to?
Was that something that, you know, a good lawyer, by the way, would have put in some clauses like that, for example.
Or be able to find a way to to get around it, but it's it's gonna be tough, right?
It's gonna be tough and and it wasn't just her but there were other people who took pleaded well So I just and and I obviously Charlie, of course, none of this should have been brought in the first place No, it's outrage.
This was obviously corrupt.
And I think that their pre-existing relationship, and I've tweeted this, and I said, and again, just because I said I can't be mean doesn't mean I can't be truthful.
I will be truthful.
And it seems to me that this entire case was brought because she was looking at a way to get her own piggy bank out of this, that she would be able to charge.
The more people she charged, the more money she would be able to requisition, make special allocations from the state government, which, by the way, if you go back to Mike Roman's original allegations on this, that there was a pot of COVID money, which, by the way, would be federal funds.
So Chris Ray, where are you at, buddy?
That the more people she charged, the bigger pot of money there would be.
And potentially, it sounds like the bigger kickback she would be able to receive from it.
That's what I get out of this hearing.
So, I just want to say, I have a soft spot, and there was a lot of people attacking those that pled guilty already.
I have a soft spot for people that don't have a lot of money, and they're up against these prosecutors, and I just don't like it.
I do hope that there's an opportunity for some of these people to get out of these plea deals.
Yeah.
It's so glaring that we'll... Our entire system does rely upon essentially imposing a calculation on people of, should I plead guilty even if I truthfully believe I am innocent?
No, this is what's sick.
Yeah.
The factoring in is not the innocence.
The factoring in is, you know, I'll get community service versus ten years in jail.
The penalty, the cost of the trial itself.
And this is the reason why her entire office has to be disqualified.
Right.
This is why the message to conservatives, everybody's watching this to go, well, what can I do?
What can I say?
I was talking to Josh McCoon, who's the chairman of the Georgia GOP today.
Really great.
He was texting me and took time out of his day to message me and ask for help, actually.
So this is the message is that her entire office should be and needs to be disqualified because if her entire office is not, Then there certainly is no way for those people to reverse out of those plea deals, right?
And so I don't know all the ins and outs and somebody that's a much more in tune and somebody has a JD could probably actually tell us, but my understanding would be is probably if they threw the whole thing out, transferred it to a different county, then that would start the whole process over again.
Yeah, and even that county would have to re-look at everybody who's been prosecuted.
But even if the crime didn't commit in their county, wouldn't there be jurisdictional issues?
Well, that's the point, is because she has cost herself Problem here then another county would have to take over but the other county can make the decision To just drop the charge right thing which now that that's not the way they wanted this whole thing to go Obviously they wanted this to be a full and for a reason Yeah, because full is their only hope and the state of Georgia that they ever had would ever have legs and that's their problem in Arizona is you know is
Is Maricopa County going to do this to people in Maricopa County?
Probably not.
They weren't even willing to do it in Wisconsin, so they came up with a broker deal.
You've got the state going after people in Michigan, but a lot of these counties don't want to get involved.
And so this was their only, this was their, you want to talk about that, that Hail Mary, this was their Hail Mary, but we need to make sure as conservatives that we're putting the pressure on saying that, you know, this has to, this has to be released.
Her whole office has to be removed from this.
What we have next is we have an interesting story out of the state of Idaho.
Oh, this is a good one.
Yes, and so we just saw this in the discussion.
We thought it'd be fun to talk about.
So, the Idaho House has just approved House Bill 515.
Hasn't become law yet, but it's advancing.
And what the bill would do is it would impose the death penalty as a potential penalty in cases of lewd conduct with children under the age of 12 with aggravating circumstances.
So aggravated child sexual abuse could be a capital offense in the state of Idaho if they pass this.
For the time being, this would not be constitutional, because the Supreme Court, in a past, more liberal time, they banned that.
I think Louisiana had that in its laws.
But, new Supreme Court, take another shot at it.
And so, the discussion would be, do we support this, number one?
And two, do we support it for anything else?
A hundred percent.
I mean, now, I want to be clear.
My death penalty views have changed over the years.
The only reason I'm hesitant on the death penalty, the only reason, is that sometimes we execute people that were truly innocent.
It's not as many as you might think.
It's probably 40 or 50, right?
There's the Innocence Project.
That's a real thing.
Number two... Not a thing.
It exists, Jack.
It exists.
We have killed people that have been exonerated later, but it's not as much as they make it seem.
But it's a real thing.
Is it an op?
What?
Is it a Kim Kardashian op?
We have reassured killer people.
Kim Kardashian is a big partner of the Innocence Project.
I know, I'm not saying I'm a fan of it, but if you objectively look into some of the case files, it's legit.
We have wrongfully executed people before.
Yeah, DNA evidence has proven that like multiple times.
Yes, and other witnesses that have come out, actually I did it, here's my DNA, so that's something we have to deal with, okay?
I just want to say that.
However, as a Bible-believing Christian, I have no, I cannot possibly morally disagree with the death penalty.
The Catholic Church does, and I think they're totally wrong.
It is a law in all five books of the Torah.
Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.
And I've moved on it.
I've changed on this.
And I think that if you take a life, your life should be taken.
And I think if you are a pedophile, it's the same as taking a life.
You take the innocence of a child, I think your life should be taken.
I would say if I have a concern, it is probably that specifically child sexual abuse is a crime that we have such a moral revulsion to that, this will sound weird, but
We do stuff now, like we just go back and we accuse someone of stuff that happened 20 years ago, and people get convicted of this, and many of them probably are guilty, but I would worry about us having a death penalty offense where someone could come forward and say, this person sexually abused me 20 years ago, 30 years ago, and there's no meaningful way to defend yourself.
Well, let me push back.
Roman Polanski.
If he came back to America, should he get the death penalty if he was guilty?
I think his guilt is pretty well established.
Yeah, for sure.
Okay, so we agree.
I mean, but that was 40 years ago.
Yeah.
So the time doesn't mean anything.
True.
I think that is something where I'd probably make a concession.
Okay.
Maybe we shouldn't allow it.
Just so everyone knows, the Roman Polanski case.
Also, he has been convicted, hasn't he?
He just fled before penalty, I think.
No, I think you might be right.
He's just in France, and they don't extradite their own citizens.
Got on a plane and left, but he raped like a 16-year-old or something.
I think she was younger than that.
Oh, is that right?
I think she was 13.
It was pretty young.
OK.
I don't-- but anyway, he's-- so let me ask you a question.
If somebody-- theoretically, I don't want to get sued.
If it came out that Woody Allen was a pedophile-- theoretically.
There's, you know, no evidence of that.
Why would we pick him specifically?
We could pick anyone if it came out that... Because there was a movie about it.
That's true, that's true.
He played a pedophile in the movie.
I didn't see this movie.
If you've seen Annie Hall, it's, you know, it's a little bit on the edge, right?
The only thing I know is that movie got Best Picture instead of Star Wars and nerds are still mad about it to this day.
Yeah, so, anyway.
Angela said it's a biopic in retrospect.
Yeah, by the way, I'm just I'm just saying theoretically.
I don't know if that's the case.
Why should the time matter, Blake?
It's not so much that the time matters.
It's sort of my version of your concern with The Innocent.
It's that it is a crime that we are hypersensitive to and I think it is one that is prone to moral frenzies over it.
There was a case, I can't remember the name of the person involved, but it was one of the Catholic sex abuse cases.
It was in Pennsylvania, and it was a priest, and there were really lurid allegations relating to it.
We talked about this in the show before, didn't we?
I've talked about it with you for sure.
I don't know if we've done it on here.
I could even bring up... I could've sworn it was on here, yeah.
I know exactly where you're going with this.
Let me see if I can get it on screen.
Newsweek did a great piece on this.
Yes, Newsweek, yes.
You guys can bring it up on screen now.
This is an article in Newsweek Magazine.
I encourage people to look it up themselves.
It came out in 2016.
It's called Catholic Guilt, The Lying, Scheming Alterboy Behind a Lurid Rape Case.
So without getting into too much graphic detail, a former altar boy accused several priests of very graphically abusing him.
It was bizarre stuff.
It was like they would make him get drunk on communion wine and then they would rape him, you know, immediately before or after a mass.
Just totally wild stuff.
And they offered a plea deal to the priest at the center of this, where they said, you know, if he pleaded, he was very old, if you plead guilty, you won't get prison time.
And he refused it saying, I am innocent and I will never confess to a crime I did not commit.
So he is convicted, goes to prison, gets a treatable heart condition, which they refuse to allow him to get treated because he is imprisoned, and dies of this.
And they also paid the boy in this case 20 million dollars, some huge settlement.
And that is still a law as far as it is.
That man died a convict.
I don't think he's ever been cleared posthumously or otherwise.
The accuser lives in Florida, I believe.
Got very rich off of this.
And what this article makes, I encourage people to read it in very strong detail.
It's a very, very, very long article.
Is that this was obviously and spectacularly made up.
This man, the accuser, had a history, had a criminal history, had a history of fabrications and lying, and it seems extremely clear that he took advantage of a moral frenzy, made up wild allegations, and people were just willing to endorse those.
So, are we talking about- If I remember- Go ahead, Jack, please.
No, I was just gonna say, one of the big issues, Blake, and I haven't, you know, read the article recently, but it was something about, like, He made a lot of very specific allegations early on, and then later when they went to, you know, and really just horrific stuff.
And then when they went to actually check and like get him to, you know, the second round of questioning, all of the allegations started changing.
Wasn't it something like that?
Yeah, and they'll do this where you'll have these shrinks who will come out and they'll say, well actually the contradictions in their story make it more likely that it's true, Charlie.
They'll say that stuff.
They would do that during Me Too, you'll remember.
So I'm just, I want to make sure I understand.
So in the Idaho bill, you might not know, is this Is this child rape?
Is this child sexual assault?
Is this online pedophilic behavior?
Because there's gradations to the evil.
It's lewd conduct with a child, so I think that wouldn't be child pornography.
Does that involve molestation?
It would have to be an action with a specific child, and with aggravating circumstances, and it's under the age of 12.
So this isn't even statutory.
I have no moral problem with death penalty.
Yeah.
Do you agree, Tyler?
Yeah.
Based on that criteria, I have no moral issue.
For practical purposes, I would say I agree.
I have no problem.
But the problem is with you, no guilt.
What does Genesis teach us about that?
Well, about the child, dealing with children, nothing necessarily specifically, but it does something.
I mean, definitely.
Yeah, I mean, it's a life for a life.
It's in the Noahic Covenant.
It's very simple, that if you take life, you should have a life taken from you.
Again, it's in all five books, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy.
I said something on the show that wasn't necessarily true.
I said it was the only law repeated five times.
I think, obviously, Love God is all five times repeated, but it is repeated five times, which is very unusual.
In all five books of the Torah, the main canon of the Old Testament.
All the numerologists right now are... Yeah, but Jack, I want to ask you a question as our resident Catholic who's fasting for Lent.
You can answer this honestly.
Why are the Catholics, and I have such respect for Catholics, you know that, this is not like some sort of trick, why are they so anti-death penalty?
Where does that come from?
Yeah, well, so there's a, you know, an urge, I think, to follow the words of Pope Francis as You know, as basically covering all Catholics, and it's just not true, right?
So there's a huge split within the Catholic Church.
Well, hold on, Jack.
This is dogma before Francis, just so we're clear.
Yeah.
So, not dogma before Francis.
Because prior to... No, it's not.
Because prior to Francis, you even, even as recently as Pope Pius, was very clear on the death penalty, was saying that the death penalty exists not as Um, essentially not as a revenge on the person, but because, and not as the deprivation of life, but because the right to life has been, uh, has been lost by the person who took life in the first place.
And you, so you have popes very recently before Francis coming out and saying that there's just full-throated, 100% support for, again, as, as we are, you know, you know, caveating valid cases of using the death penalty.
Uh, and so this really has been a huge shift that Francis had made.
other popes as you say prior to Francis had made some statements in that direction but this has been a huge change by pope Francis to be pushing this major anti-death penalty status and so you will really find a lot of catholics myself included that are on both sides of that issue because there's been this huge uh this huge shift and obviously by the way you know you know i don't think there's anyone who could say that if you look at church history that oh yeah the catholic church was always against the death penalty Well, no, I stand corrected.
You're right.
There's a little bit of different history on that.
So I actually, I kind of fell for the op.
I thought it was dogma because of how widespread the belief is.
Now, Blake, a lot of major bishops are anti-death penalty.
It's within kind of Catholic culture, but it's not dogma like abortion is dogma.
Is that correct?
Even abortion... I think abortion is dogma though, right?
I just want to be careful with the use of the word dogma.
I think you're referring to canon law.
You'll hear dogma used a lot more in description for, like, beliefs, kind of spiritual beliefs.
The sanctity of life, though, is, like, an immovable tenant of the Church.
You'll usually hear dogma mentioned, like, the Immaculate Conception is a dogma of the Catholic Church.
Sure.
Catholics have to believe that.
Or the Triune God.
Yes, and so I just, I don't want to be incorrect in the use of the word dogma.
It is certainly a doctrine of the church.
It has been a long time teaching of the church, like sanctity of life for example.
The death penalty is now a doctrine of the church, but it is much more recent.
But it's not a, it hasn't reached dogma.
What I would say is the catechism of the church right now teaches that the death penalty is unacceptable, and you are supposed to believe the catechism of the Catholic Church.
But that's more than Francis.
That's the whole gang that offers that, right?
It is, but Francis is the one under whose pontificate that was upgraded.
Did he do an encyclical for this?
John Paul II, for example.
He said... So the encyclical was John Paul II and this was... Gospel of Life.
But again, as you say, the encyclical is so that, you know, kind of using that pro-life language to say that, you know, we protect the innocent rights of the unborn as well as all life.
And so it's sort of eroding that past support for the death penalty, which, again, is very recent in church history.
And clearly, if you look at the 2000 years of Catholic Church history, has much longer standing than the current reading.
Yeah, so John Paul II, he disliked the death penalty.
He wrote things saying it was bad, you know, not desirable.
Benedict XVI, his successor, he called for abolishing the death penalty, which is entirely within his right to do so.
Pope Francis started with that and then he has upgraded it to essentially saying a good Catholic should not support the death penalty and Bluntly.
It's 2018.
I think.
This is not new.
I think this is a mistaken development of the church and given that he's also been saying stuff about blessing gay unions and such.
He's been totally off the reservation.
It is very... Well, and defrocking amazing Catholic priests, right?
I mean, he's just going all over the place.
I don't want to get too deep into the Father Pavone thing.
I don't know all the details.
No, there was another one he defrocked.
He defrocked the same guy in Tyler, Texas, too.
Right, Jack?
So this is Bishop Strickland.
He was not defrocked.
He was just... He was removed from his position as the Bishop of...
Tyler, Texas.
So he is still a bishop.
Father Pavone means you're a layman.
You are not a priest.
You're laicized.
Yeah, being laicized is big.
It's really big.
So what I will say, even if those of you that are in the audience against the death penalty, what I don't understand is committing your life to advocacy for people that have done really bad things and not giving a darn about people in the womb that have done nothing.
that are completely innocent.
That's the moral equivalency I've never understand.
People say, well, how can you be against the death penalty, but also, I mean, in favor of death penalty, but also against abortion?
I always found that weird, and people use it like it was a strong argument.
I think it's one of the worst arguments, because the baby has done nothing.
Deep down, I think a lot of liberals see themselves in every vicious, like, murderer who has been sentenced to death, and so they sympathize with them quite openly.
So why would they not support them?
Yeah, it's dark, but. - See, I don't see myself.
I don't, exactly.
In these murders.
And the idea that...
It's always just very difficult for me to imagine having too much sympathy for anyone, where you could have done literally anything with your entire life, and you chose to wantonly kill someone, prey on anyone, destroy a child's life.
And so that could be a follow-up to this, which is, is there anything else you would support the death penalty for?
Yes.
You know, a lot of really predatory crimes.
I think defrauding thousands of people out of their life savings.
Mass fraud, which China executes people for this.
If you engage in severe fraud or severe government misconduct, egregious corruption, that, and then also even just something like are really depraved forms of armed robbery or assault.
If you could do anything with your life and you like, there's people in cities who do carjackings and then, you know, they shoot someone or those guys who were driving that car in Vegas and they killed that cyclist by running him over.
Even if that man had lived, I think you could credibly say they would deserve the death penalty.
Yeah, no, in the strict biblical context, blood must be spilled for blood.
If you talk in justice terms, that if a life is taken, there must be a life taken.
Period.
End of story.
That you just can't just roll your eyes and say everything's just fine.
You want to read Pope Pius here, Jack?
Yeah, because I think, and again, this is the head of the church, this is the Pope in 1952, and he says so eloquently, it's the most eloquent quote I can find, summarizing basically what we're saying about the difference between these two types of individuals that we encounter in our societies, the innocence of a child, which obviously is what pedophilia defiles, right?
It defiles the innocence of a child, so directly connected to this, versus a hardened murderer, And here's Pope Pius XII, and this is 1952.
When it is a question of the execution of a condemned man, the state does not dispose of the individual's right to life.
In this case, it is reserved to the public power to deprive the condemned person of the enjoyment of life in expiation of his crime, when by his crime he has already disposed himself of his right to life.
Any final thoughts before we get to the next topic?
Not really actually.
Tyler, do you want to chime in on this?
I'm not like a super passionate either way about the death penalty itself.
I agree with the sentiment that we're talking about.
I think you have to have caution.
There's reason to kill people and there's reason to be careful about killing people.
I feel really good about the political context of the Idaho thing.
I think we should have a couple...
I've always been a big believer, like, you need a couple of Ron Pauls in Congress.
We need a couple of really crazy states in these, you know, United States to be like, we're going to do some really crazy stuff and that's going to balance out.
It's like, we should be negotiating from as extreme as possible.
Idaho is so deep red.
We need them to do stuff like this.
So then maybe we'll take pedophilia more seriously in California and Arizona and everywhere else because we have the left, the radical left, is trying to normalize pedophilia.
So it's okay to normalize killing people for pedophilia.
You know Russia doesn't have it, by the way.
Russia does not have death penalty.
Oh really?
Very few places do.
And what's funny is America is a more democratic country because if you poll on it, the death penalty is popular for murder in almost every country.
And yet in Europe, no one has the death penalty.
Almost no one does.
Even though a lot of them would vote for it, elites just say, nope, we're not doing it.
And you know what they don't have?
Pedophiles.
It is a deterrent, and I'll prove it to you.
Not a study, or an an- it's very simple.
If a society said, you will get the death penalty for robbery on every day but Thursday, what day would the robberies occur?
Oh, Friday, of course!
The people at the... There'll still be people too dumb.
Wait, so there's... But then they'll be killed.
And then eventually behavioral patterns will be learned.
So Russia got rid of it in 1996.
Nathan Wade would try to say that, uh... Well, it was 11-59, Your Honor, and...
No, and as far as other death penalties, I think what some of those guys did to Donald Trump to use the instruments of government to destroy the constitutional order, that should be under consideration.
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I just looked this up, Charlie.
I didn't realize this, Jack.
The last time that in Belarus they used capital punishment execution here was in 2019 and it was by firearm.
Yeah, that's how you should.
By the way, this is my other problem with death penalty.
It takes too long, too many appeals.
It's too expensive.
It should be public, it should be quick, it should be televised.
Well, this can't be right, can it?
The last execution in France was guillotine in 1977.
100% true.
They used the guillotine.
Until 77?
Yeah.
That's so cool.
There's videotape of it.
Honestly, that's like what we should be doing.
I agree.
It should be public.
It should be public square.
By the way, you could force kids to watch it.
You could have like brought to you by Coca-Cola.
And no, I'm not kidding.
By the way, I would totally tune in to see some pedo get their head chopped off.
Convicted by a jury or peers.
I'm talking about a real thing.
I'm not talking about... All executions in Belarus are by firearm.
That's not a choice or anything.
Andrew's saying don't make kids watch it.
I think at a certain age it's an initiation.
If you can drive, you can watch it.
If all of a sudden you look at some of these savages, like in Indiana there was this guy that went in and killed a pregnant woman and her three kids.
And you know what?
I want to watch that execution.
That'll make my day better.
I want to see him on a public block And get him to be publicly executed.
And I think that would be justice.
You think children should have... You should see... What is the age?
At what age should you start to see public executions?
Sixteen.
I think... I think you could do it earlier.
I think you... Maybe at age twelve.
Sixth grade or so?
You are a person... You know, they're old enough to... You don't need to like really wallow in it and have them be broken on a wheel or anything.
But if it was something like... Chopping... You know, if we had a guillotine or something...
I think it's the age where they can't be, you know, I think it's too early and you become desensitized to maybe like this.
I think it's when you can actually embrace the meaning.
But it should also be taken in a holy way.
I don't mean holy in a bad way.
I mean that like this is heavy.
Bluntly, we have kids who are 14 who are committing carjackings in cities and doing bad stuff.
And I think if you sent the message to them, if you do a bad crime, You will die, and it will be like this, and that will be you.
But I think it tears down.
It would be a positive message.
My argument would be younger people get involved with that because they're with, around, older people who do those things.
I want you to imagine, every day, all of a sudden they said, and today, remember that awful five, you know, the guy that went and shot up a school?
Because, you know, left hates school shooters, and so do we.
But they focus on the gun.
I think they're evil.
So, you know, you take one of these school shooters, and they say, today we're going to publicly execute this person.
And they read off... How about the Super Bowl?
Yeah, or the shooters at the Super Bowl thing, and you read off what they did, and you don't celebrate it, you know, you just say, look, this is what they did, and if you do this, this will be your fate, ready, set, go, boom, end of life.
And say, guillotine.
This used to be a whole TV show, this is guaranteed for everybody.
Here's a question for anyone that might be, you know, not persuaded.
Would crime go up or down?
- It would go way down.
- Done.
So why is this even a question?
- Well, they'll say it's not a deterrent, and it's not because-- - Of course it's a deterrent, though. - And our current system is just as dumb as it could possibly be.
- You get a last meal.
No, they should make you eat bran.
- It's only done for a tiny minority of even murderers.
Only a handful of murderers actually get it, and then their odds of getting executed are very low, and it happens 25 years later.
You have to run articles in the newspaper to remind people why this bad person was on death row in the first place.
I'm gonna tell you this is what's so frustrating about American culture.
I mean, we took all the best parts of Greek culture, Roman culture, and French culture, and the Revolution, and everything else, and we didn't keep this part.
We have the Coliseums for sports, but we don't have it for this.
I totally agree with this sentiment.
We shouldn't make it a celebration.
No, it should be a heavy thing.
It should be a heavy thing.
It's corporal punishment.
It's capital punishment.
By the way, there is a difference between corporal punishment and capital punishment.
That's a totally separate conversation, but... You should have more corporal punishment, too.
Yeah, that's what I was gonna say.
If you really want a question about... Look, look.
If you were a criminal, and you were convicted, and you were sentenced, but you were given a choice.
You're gonna say, alright, 20 years in jail, or 20 lashes.
What are you taking?
You're taking the lashes.
Everyone's gonna take the lashes.
And just so everyone is clear, you know, this might sound crazy to some people.
They, oh my goodness, if you commit what we would call a heinous crime, if you commit a crime against a human being and take their life, the current way that we do this is you get room and board and food for the remainder.
Has that made society safer, lessened heinous crimes?
Wouldn't it make sense to put the law, justice, on display for other people to see what happens when you do these things?
I totally agree with Jack on the lashing part too.
Flogging?
That would be cheaper too.
I think corporal punishment would be cheaper.
It would be faster, and it would be a better, it would be more effective.
I think, yeah.
And by the way, I think Donald Trump was spot on when he said drug dealers should get the death penalty, and he was attacked for that.
Oh yeah. 100%.
OK, we all agree.
Very normal mainstream opinions here, everybody.
No thought.
I don't even think these are thought crimes.
I don't know how anyone could possibly disagree with.
No, but you like you look at we brought up Jody Arias because we were talking about why Mormons kill like their families and stuff like that.
And all of a sudden we were talking about this guy.
All right.
We know there's a whole chat.
There's like a whole line of Mormons that are crazy.
We're talking about one hero.
Yeah, not here.
Not here.
But Jody Arias.
She was guilty, literally on camera, this woman has now developed an entire life and a lifestyle in prison with all these boyfriends and book deals.
It's disgusting.
She should be dead!
She killed a guy in cold blood on camera, she admitted it later, and she's just living a lifestyle in prison now.
And I will say this.
My anti-death penalty impulse is also important to contribute.
The only negative is if they would use it against people for political conservative crimes.
Think about it.
And they would.
The regime would.
What about Jeffrey Zett?
That's why, I mean, that is why.
We'll get to that in a sec.
That is why in the Constitution we have that strict definition of treason.
The strict definition of treason, you need two witnesses and it only is levying war against the United States or giving aid and comfort to its enemies.
They give that precise definition because in England they had the problem of that liberal use of treason where you You're undermining the, you know, the body politic.
That's treason.
And then you execute them for that.
And that's why there's a ban on bills of attainder.
Because, for example, during the English Revolution against King Charles, they passed a bill of attainder and just executed a guy because they said, basically, he was a bad dude.
And Parliament just said, we don't need a judge.
We don't need a jury.
We are the judge and jury.
And your head's going off.
Okay, so let's get to the next topic here.
So, Jack, this is kind of... You and I inspired this.
Speaking of people who need the death penalty... I don't... Well, some of the... Okay, so some of the... Some of whom have already received.
Okay, I don't celebrate... Okay, for the record, I believe in a justice system.
I believe in jury of your peers.
I believe in a process.
Okay?
So, during the Super Bowl, I was a little triggered, because it brought back memories to the theater people.
And I'm curious, when you guys were growing up, was Wicked ever in your town performing?
When you guys were growing up, did they come by here in Phoenix?
Oh yeah.
Did they, Jack, was this, do you know what I'm talking about?
It wasn't when I was growing up, but a little bit later, yeah.
So they were huge in Chicago for like two years.
And now if you don't know Wicked, it's like a spinoff of Wizard of Oz, and it's like the subtext story, right?
It's the prequel.
It's the prequel.
And it's very theater culture.
And so Jack and I have this theory, and I think it's a pretty good theory, isn't it, Jack?
Which is it's a great this.
And I've I've I've said this before.
So people remember I brought this up on TeamCast like years ago.
But it's a four step move that that led to some of the cultural decay that we're in.
So four fire defenses, everybody.
OK, I actually have a a setup to Kind of to kind of explain this to people, but are we going to play the trailer?
I think we're going to do that.
Yes, but then I want to go all the way back to how Zac Efron ruined America.
So let's start with that.
Yes.
So, OK, basically, so Glee, Glee, Wicked High School Musical.
All come out sort of in succession.
Zac Efron sets up... And by the way, High School Musical changed it all.
I have this whole theory, but keep going.
So here's the whole thing, right?
Here's the whole thing.
High School Musical isn't necessarily bad.
I don't think there's anything bad with High School Musical at all.
No, that's what's so... It was a genre.
That's the point.
It started this new genre.
And High School Musical, people have to remember, we're going way back here, this is the Bush era.
So in the Bush era, social conservatism was like, The, you know, the rule of the land and social concern, and it got like to the point where, wasn't it John Ashcroft at one point was like trying to cover up the nipple on the statue of the Lady of Justice because it was like, oh, this is too lurid and we have to, you know, we have to cover that up.
And like this, it just went like super, super, you know, super far in one direction, almost to the point of where we're stifling everything, we're going to cancel everything.
So this is where, so High School Musical comes out in this era and theater culture, you know, really latches onto it.
And then along comes a TV show called Glee.
And a lot of people don't realize that Glee, which came out right around the same time that social media got launched, right around the same time that smartphones got launched, this is all ties together, a little website called Tumblr is involved in this.
Glee originally was, and Charlie, this is where your point gets in, Glee was a satire of high school musicals.
It was supposed to be a joke.
It was supposed to be like a parody, like a Monty Python thing.
But the problem was, the fans, who were all millennials that are stuck at home because of the Great Recession, they can't get jobs, and they're all in debt, they start watching Glee, and they start falling in love with it, and they start taking it a little bit too seriously.
This becomes the plague ship for all identity politics and like, which later becomes wokeness and all of this stuff goes back to that original Glee fandom, which was meant as a parody of High School Musical.
And we have a huge piece written by Bill Horrell, edited by myself, humanevents.com.
People can go check it out.
We published it, I published it two years ago now, full two years ago.
And I talked about all this on Timcast and you know I got a lot of a lot of attacks for it but and because I'm not saying that that Glee invented wokeness and this is what people need to understand it's that it was theater culture plus identity politics plus social media plus Barack Obama getting into office plus the rise of smartphones and the economic depression because all the Millennials lives you know ended up sucking which by the way is is one of the songs in Glee.
That suddenly it became this way to, like, relive your high school in a better way, a more fun way, and it basically spills over and leads to the point where it's kind of taking over society now.
Yeah, and it's interesting because what Wicked did, and again, just so everyone understands, the four-part move here, High School Musical Glee, Wicked, Frozen, we can get to that later, but it's like a four-part move here.
And it got increasingly-- Glee was definitely the most radical of them all as far as introducing some of these elements.
And then there's also cheer as well, which is kind of involved in this, which has its own issues.
But Jack, can you riff on theater culture?
Again, I'm nothing against theater.
I'm glad people are involved in theaters.
In theater, I'm glad they're involved in acting.
But theater culture is very, very left-wing.
Is very, very, very woke.
Yes, with theater culture, again, you're talking about a culture where... So we always say that, like, the left is people that are in touch with their emotions.
And, of course, in theater, you are called to emote.
You are called to You know, portray emotions, false emotions, performative emotions in a stage setting for an entertainment purpose.
So for people who are empaths, people who are empathetic, you are drawn to theater.
And particularly we're talking, and I want to be clear about this, we're particularly talking about actors and the people that are actually on screen or on stage because traditionally, It wasn't necessarily the people who were the directors, the producers, and the writers that were involved in this.
They are now.
I'm just saying, like, originally.
Alfred Hitchcock actually has this famous statement that actors are cattle.
And so you get these people who are just so sucked into the deconstruction of emotion, the deconstruction of narrative in order to normally and nominally perform the construction of narrative.
Then you get these wonderful stories when it's produced through the lens of a great director, a great writer.
But then when you have theater people who start to create their own things, their own society, their own institutions, when they start getting involved in things like politics, when they start getting, and by the way, if you've ever known theater people, when they start getting involved in things like politics, when they start getting, and by the way, if you've ever known theater people, if you knew theater people Everybody knows what I'm talking about.
They need those directors.
But you take the director out and you start having theater people directing other theater people.
And the only thing that comes of it is absolute madness and shenanigans.
Sheer insanity.
This is kind of where, like, you know, Ben Shapiro's famous aphorism of, of facts don't care about your feelings, is actually kind of like a response to the fact that the feelings crowd has taken over everything, and that we all lead with feelings now.
That comes from the theater people, alright?
This started with the theater people.
This started with stuff like Glee, And, uh, and Wicked, and Frozen, and High School Musical, and all of that kind of taking over society.
And this is where you get, by the way, like a Jen Psaki, who's making these references, and you get... Do you... Okay.
People think, you know, for anybody who wants to say, like, oh, Posto's making this up or anything, I'm not reading the chat right now, but it... Do you guys remember the Disinformation Governance Board?
Um, this was this board that was being set up... Oh, she's a total theater person.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
She's a theater girl.
...where she was singing theater songs, uh, Nini Yankovich, And also participated in and created this a Harry Potter musical act called The Moaning Myrtles, but at the same time was working for was working for at one point the Ukrainian government directly as a quote-unquote disinformation researcher, which is just so amazing.
Then she comes to the US government where she's focused on the disinformation governance board again at the Department of Homeland Security A law enforcement agency, where she's going to be coming after people like us.
Then she, I believe she's currently, or last I checked, after she got fired because somebody, me, a couple years back blew this entire thing up, blew the lid on the disinformation governance board.
Then she went to work for the British government, basically doing the same thing.
So she's worked for like all these different governments.
And it's like, it's like there's this weird tie between like the national security state and the theater people, which produces a Nina Yankovich that somehow Doing Harry Potter songs and comes from the Harry Potter fandom, so fandoms of things like fandoms of Glee, fandoms of Harry Potter, fandoms of the current fandom of Star Wars, example just totally infested with identity politics, are now actually and quite literally taking over our national security agencies.
Jack, that was excellent.
Alright, let's get to grocery stores.
Alright.
So, you want to start or can I give my take?
We'll just set up the context.
I am a grocery store aficionado.
I do all the shopping for my family.
I'm a Russian grocery store aficionado.
Oh, so was that a real picture of grocery stores?
So let's talk about it.
So Tucker goes and he does all these videos and he says... Yeah, let's set this up.
So he goes to Russia to interview Vladimir Putin and he does that.
That's all great.
We've talked about that.
And then he also just stays around and does some stuff on what life is like in Moscow, the Russian capital.
And so he does one clip that's, he goes to the Russian subway system, which at the least has more impressive stations than DC or New York does.
We can get into the rest of it, but they are very nice looking stations.
And then he also goes, he does a video where he visits a Russian grocery store.
Buys a bunch of food and leaves with it.
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Okay, so we do have the video, so we'll open with that.
So this is Tucker Carlson going to a Russian grocery store.
Let's play 138.
I went from amused to legitimately angry.
So we were guessing what this would cost.
Everybody here is from the United States buys groceries, and we didn't pay any attention to costs.
We were just putting in the cart what we would actually eat over a week.
And we all came in around 400 bucks, about 400 bucks.
It was $104 US here.
And that's when you start to realize that ideology maybe doesn't matter as much as you thought.
Corruption.
If you take people's standard of living and you tank it through filth and crime and inflation, and they literally can't buy the groceries they want, At that point, maybe it matters less what you say or whether you're a good person or a bad person.
You're wrecking people's lives and their country, and that's what our leaders have done to us.
And coming to a Russian grocery store, the heart of evil, and seeing what things cost and how people live, it will radicalize you against our leaders.
That's how I feel, anyway.
Radicalized.
We're not making any of this up, by the way.
At all.
So, Tyler, you've spent time in Russia.
You speak Russian.
So, to be fair, I lived in Russia, you know, a while ago.
So, things have maybe gotten a little bit better in some of these places.
I don't believe they have, because I have friends who still live there.
What years exactly?
Until 2007.
Okay.
So, 2007.
So, it's been a little bit.
So, to be fair, you know, there's been a little bit more development in Russia since then.
But the life, I'll say this, and Jack will probably agree with this, the lifestyle in the Moscow region versus the rest of the entire massive country.
It's a European city versus a third world country.
It's like a real city that's like an American city in Moscow.
Everywhere else, outside, in St.
Petersburg too, Petersburg.
But outside of that, everything south, And east of Moscow is very not fun.
Yeah.
And by the way, you're in the Donbass region, which is like the Russian side of where the war is being fought right now.
Yeah, on the on the, you know, the the slightly less dangerous side right now of that of that whole thing.
Yeah.
So in Rostov, you know, until they until they start taking until until NATO makes their move, NATO will make their move across the river.
But Rostov, third largest city in Russia, I live there, and the grocery stores, they have some bigger grocery stores, there's a couple big ones that are kind of well known, they're like a Walmart, they have a couple of them, very few, but most of the markets that you go to that most people shop in, and there's one big, the biggest one that's in Russia, it's called Magnit, it's called like Magnit, Magnit, and this is a very scary place.
If you walked in and it was American, you would be like...
This is all you've got?
This is a great selection of juice.
I'll say this, because of vodka, great selection of juice.
They have really great juices.
Outside of that, your selections are very limited.
So yeah, things are cheaper, but it's not like when a Russian comes to America and they go through our supermarkets everywhere, like in the middle of nowhere, They're like, oh my gosh, I can't believe you have all this food.
Like, how do people eat through all this much food?
Yeah, I think Angela makes a really good point, though, because some people think, though, and I think the video is very powerful in this regard, that Russia still has bread lines and they're this impoverished, just like, dictatorial country.
But they kind of do, outside of Moscow.
Because there's so many people on pensions there.
Well, that's what I'm saying, is that almost everyone's on the government dole in Moscow, or they're connected through some oligarch.
Well, not Moscow.
Moscow's like normal life.
Everywhere outside of Moscow and St.
Petersburg is like completely dependent on the pensions.
Let me explain what Producer Angelo was trying to say here.
that his point was that to a lot of the audience, so a lot of people remember sort of the, to an older audience out there, and they remember the, when they hear Moscow, they think Soviet Union, and they think of bread lines, and they think of what life was like during that time, and they remember the old Yeltsin video and they think of what life was like during that time, and they remember the old Yeltsin video where he came to the U.S., and Tyler, that's kind of what you're referring to, when he comes to the U.S. in like the early 90s, and he has this, wow, look at a supermarket, I
It's this famous video of him walking around in the US supermarket.
He was at Harlem.
He was at Harlem and he was like, wow, Harlem was like really bad.
It was a Houston supermarket.
And then, uh, well, there's also a point where he's in Harlem.
And so it's like, and, and, and so what, what producer Angelo is saying, um, he's just sending a message in the chat is that, um, you know, perhaps what, what Tucker is doing is kind of pushing, not pushing back, but just kind of updating people's frame on on where things stand, because, you know, like Tyler, you were there as a spy, obviously in 2007.
But, you know, for other people, they just remember the Cold War era.
And that's that's kind of all they know.
So Tucker does have an interesting point that the groceries cost less, but.
But Americans earn more than the average Russian does.
Yeah, I mean... Right?
Groceries cost less.
I've been to Cuba, and they were cheaper in Cuba too, but it was not necessarily... Don't go to a Cuban supermarket, it's really...
Yeah, no, we did a whole video, by the way, when we sent a team down to Cuba and it went very viral.
Food prices are one of those things that scales very closely to the overall standard of living in your country.
This has been pointed out by people.
The average Russian spends a higher percentage of their income on food than the average, did I say the average American?
The average Russian spends more of their money on food than the average American, uh, by quite a bit, it seems.
Americans spend, I think Americans spend the least share of their income on food of any country.
Whatever our problems, access to calories is not one of them.
But, hold on, let's, so Jack, or, you know, first of all, housing is cheaper though.
Tyler's not a spy, just for the record.
Tyler went on a mission to Russia.
Oh!
Mission!
A special mission.
I used to talk into my watch.
I would ride on the train.
No one ever says spies go on missions.
I would ride on the train and I would just randomly start talking into my shoe and like it's my watch and like just freak all the old people out.
Yeah, that's a good way to get yourself reported to the KGB.
Oh, I did.
I for sure did.
So Jack, Is the quality of food better?
Is the quality of food better in Russia?
People are asking the chat, like it was the LDS mission, and they did the series in Russia.
- What is the- - Not Orlando, like the musical.
- Is the quality of food better in Russia? - So I've spent time in Belarus, which is where Tanya's from, everybody knows.
And obviously a lot of economic times with Russia there.
And the quality of the food, which by the way, isn't necessarily just an Eastern European thing.
It's all of Europe is like this.
Uh, the, the food is so much better, so much more nutritious and so much more alive and nutrient rich than anything you'll find in America outside of like, you know, farm to table.
When, when we say farm to table, they just call that food in, in all of Europe.
Um, they're like, yeah, that's, that's food.
Like, even if you're in Poland, you know, I go spend time with my Polish relatives and they'll, they'll say, you know, where did these eggs come from?
They're like, see those chickens across the street?
That's where the eggs came from.
You know, see that, see that cow down the lane?
That's where the milk you're drinking came from.
Um, you know, and this is just, this is just super normal.
And the fact that we have so much fake food or like when Tanya's family comes to visit, even her father, Willie, he sees American food and he's like, not all of it, but a lot of it.
And he's like, this stuff is plastic.
This stuff doesn't taste real.
It doesn't taste like it's got nutrients.
And if you've never been to, you know, Europe and just any part of it, you know, even, you know, Western Europe is definitely obviously more expensive than anything that you're going to see east of Berlin.
But even in like, quote unquote, cheaper Eastern European areas, you know, the food you're going to get is so much more healthy, so much more nutrient rich.
And you're going to say, wow, I've never tasted bread before.
I've never tasted steak before.
I was in Belgrade last year, and I had this steak, which just blew my mind.
Absolutely blew my mind.
The Twitter did have community notes where they said over 60% of Russians spend half of their salary on food, according to Russia's state-owned news agency.
The average wage in Russia was 73,000 rubles per month, which is $790 to $1 a month with today's exchange rate.
Yeah, and that's also a big part of this, is that due to U.S.
sanctions on Russia, the value of the ruble versus the U.S.
dollar has gotten really crazy just in the last couple years.
And so that does mean, if you are a tourist from America going to Russia, the buying power of your dollar is really, really strong.
And that is going to make the price seem really jarring in comparison, but that's not necessarily the best reflection on Is Russia better or worse than America?
I'll never forget my first day in Novocherkassk when I first got there.
This was a place that was famous because there was this big murder scene that happened in Novocherkassk.
You can Google and find it out.
So I go to the bazaar with this guy, Valery Grigorovich.
He's missing three fingers, who knows why.
And we're like, we're gonna buy something so we can barbecue it.
And I was like, okay, maybe like a chicken.
And it's, it's, it's a, it's a, it's a bizarre, right?
So you're walking through the market and there's like hanging animals everywhere, like meat.
And I'm like thinking, Oh, we'll go buy beef.
You know, there's cow.
No, none of that.
There's all these rats hanging by their tails.
They're called Nutria.
They're like a, like a water rat.
Like almost like a, I put it in the chat.
You can look at it.
It's like a beaver with a rat's tail instead of the, yeah, it's definitely a rodent for sure.
And they're an invasive species.
We have them in the Chesapeake area, and they're an invasive species.
It's 100% legal to kill them if you see them.
They're just disgusting rodents.
Basically parasites.
They're like the giant rat you'd have to kill in a video game in the first level.
They're huge.
For no experience points.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
That was my first meal in Russia.
Tyler's XP is very OP.
What was your second meal in Russia?
My second meal in Russia was probably a sandwich made of hot dogs and shredded carrots.
And a lot of mayonnaise.
That's their sandwich.
Have you ever had one of those, Jack?
A Buddha Broad?
You know, I will interject here, and people say, you know, I understand.
It's the open-faced sandwich.
It's the open-faced sandwich.
It's shredded carrots, Korean sweet carrots, over hot dog, just on, like, a flat, open sandwich.
It's not good.
It's an acquired taste.
I've had different stuff.
No, not like that, though.
I've had different stuff.
I've got to take you guys.
Are you going to defend American food here?
Yeah!
Guys, we have barbecue in America.
It's really good.
And I think it's really easy for people to say, oh, I go to other countries and the food is better.
Well, you usually go to other countries on vacation, and so you eat at nice restaurants, or you go to a country that's poor enough that people have to cook all the time, and so they get good at cooking.
Both of those things will mean the meals are better.
The everyday food in Italy is objectively healthier than here.
Okay, but Italy is Italy.
Italy's famous.
And Japan.
Japan is pretty good.
Also famous.
What the average person eats in Japan day-to-day is really boring.
And it's good for you.
They have kimchi.
It's good for you.
Kimchi is Korean.
Kimchi is Korean.
Yes, but Japanese have natto.
That's right.
They have a lot of soybeans.
Natto.
We're pulling out of natto.
But, you know, if you look at the countries with... Heart disease is the number one killer of Americans.
Because we love to eat!
It's great.
The countries with the three lowest heart disease, though, are Japan, Korea, and France.
There's no way Russia's at the top of that list, though.
Japan, Korea, and France are the three lowest heart disease.
So if you look at, for example, Blake, I think you would agree.
You know the Blue Zone?
Yeah, yeah.
Do you know that a lot of Blue Zones are fake?
Oh, the Blue Zones.
What do you mean they're fake?
So, for example, the part of Italy that has the highest, longest-lived people was Sardinia.
Explain what Blue Zones are.
Okay, okay, I'll explain this.
Blue Zones, for those who don't know... They're real.
People research, longevity researchers, health researchers... I wrote a whole book on it, okay?
They look for places where people live the longest because we could learn, you know, how do we live longer ourselves?
Yes.
And so they find places that have a very large percentage of people, relatively, who live to be a hundred or older.
And some examples of blue zones are Sardinia, that's an island owned by Italy.
Costa Rica.
Okinawa.
Icaria for me.
An island owned by Japan.
Icaria, Greece.
Several places, some towns in California that have a lot of Seventh Day Adventists have a high rate.
And so they study these.
And what's interesting is some of them seem to be real.
I think the Seventh-Day Adventist towns, it's a lot of Asians who follow healthy living as part of what the Seventh-Day Adventists teach.
They live a long time.
Some of them are interesting, because for example, there's a lot of reason to believe that the high rate of centenarians in Sardinia might be less that they live really healthy lives, and more that the rural areas of Italy never quite hit the Industrial Revolution, and so they don't have good record keeping.
And so a lot of people, they believe, are doing pension scams in Sardinia.
That might be true.
But, Blake, there's an entire ring of islands in Greece that replicate that.
And it's the Mediterranean diet.
You walk a lot.
I think it might be similar with those, which is we have fringe parts of not super industrialized European countries.
European countries that are pretty nice, but then they have some fringe areas that aren't as developed or modernized as Europe.
And so it's rural, not-super-developed islands in Greece, rural, super-not-developed islands in Italy, and then the most rural, less-developed part of Japan.
They eat a lot of fish in both of those places, too.
So you'll defend American food.
The average American who has a lot of corn in their diet, you think that's good, versus an average European in either Switzerland, Italy, France.
It's not great.
Corn is not great for you.
Okay, so you're agreeing with me.
Corn is the number one agrarian-based product that Americans have on a daily basis.
It is, but that's just, okay, we're eating a grain that's not as good for us?
We're eating a grain that is less tasty for us?
I feel like when people say the food is better, they sort of mean on this abstract level that all of the foods are just a step above.
But they have different agricultural practices.
They use less.
They do not use tilling farming.
They use less dyes and pesticides.
People, I will say this, ask anybody, and our emails will prove me right, ask anybody that has a gluten intolerance whether or not they can eat the bread in Italy.
And the answer is yes.
Actually, Italy has an exploding gluten intolerance rate.
This is what's interesting.
All of the problems we associate- That's not the point!
No, but all of the problems we associate with, oh, the U.S.
is particularly unhealthy.
It's not that we're unhealthy, everyone else is healthy.
Well, maybe there's something else causing the gluten intolerance.
We are unhealthy, and everyone is catching up with us.
Like the amount of stuff we're sticking to.
So, everyone, Europe is as fat as we were 10 to 15 years ago.
Europe is having an explosion of all these weird health problems we associate with the U.S.
diet of, oh, gluten intolerance, diabetes.
It's an autoimmune issue that is obviously caused by other things.
But, Blake, you travel a lot.
You can't objectively say that the mainline American diet Oh, it's horrible.
Okay, so we agree.
But I think what a lot of it is is America has this base tier of diet that a lot of people eat that is, we know it's trashy, and we just kind of eat it anyway.
But what you are saying, which is smart, is that if you're a tourist to America and you eat the best food we have to offer, our food can actually be very tasty and good.
Our food is really tasty, and it can be really healthy, and it's still not expensive.
What in American fare can be, quote, really healthy?
Uh, I don't know.
We're pretty good at making all sorts of like vegetable dishes, I think.
Or like steak would be the only answer I would take.
Yeah.
Like a good like sirloin.
It depends.
Raised.
No one agrees on like what's healthy in the first place.
Well, we do.
We think that like garbage.
You eat four different foods.
Correct.
100%.
Well, and to be fair, it tends to work.
Charlie, I eat eggs occasionally.
To be fair.
How dare you?
The one, the one, the one, the one.
The one upper hand that America has on basically every other country is our beef.
100%.
Beef is objectively great for you, by the way.
Which is good for you.
And we have lots of it.
No other country has nearly... It is the blessing from the Lord.
It's the number one in the world.
Argentina's the second.
Yeah, we're like, we're very blessed that we have that in our lifestyle.
Chicken's terrible for you.
How is chicken terrible for you?
Well, the way that we... It's terrible for the chickens!
Okay, the way we do chicken is not good.
It's not good for the chickens.
It is industrial-scale chicken raising.
Well yeah, it's terrible for the chickens.
I wouldn't want to be a chicken.
It's objectively not nutritious.
It's full of garbage.
They're not free-range.
No, chicken's great.
Chicken is almost all protein.
You just get skinless chicken breasts.
Cook that.
So the nutrient profile of chicken is good.
The way that we do chicken is really awful.
The European chicken.
If you are a person inclined towards softy animal hearts, you know, bleeding heart stuff.
No, I don't believe in animal rights.
I believe in human flourishing.
And I just think that eating like persuading yourself that you're you're eating like this.
You know, the traditional message of American prosperity was a chicken in every pot and a car in every garage.
And America is the country that could put a chicken in every pot.
And we made chicken so obnoxiously cheap that you can just eat it every day and it costs essentially nothing.
And it's great.
First of all, it hasn't been great.
The main sources that make American food bad, that make everyone fat, is our profusion of... Carbohydrates.
Yeah, cheap carbs.
We agree.
Yes, but that is what America's most known for.
Other countries don't engage in cheap carbs like we do.
Barley, oats, rye, corn.
Our worst food is like a Cheez-It.
No offense if we have Cheez-Its as an advertiser, but Cheez-Its and Oreos, and Chips Ahoy.
You know they ranked it as the most unhealthy thing you can eat.
Yeah, but it's vegan.
Gotta love vegans.
Is it really?
It is.
It's because it's not real cream.
It's like a hydrogenated vegetable oil thing.
But it's all the dyes, too.
What you are right about, Blake, which is important, and I would yield to this, if you want to eat healthy in America, you can somewhat affordably.
Very affordable.
More so than almost any other country.
And I think America has a very strong food purity culture, which causes a lot of people to kind of go insane and think, I need to shop at one of only these two or three places or these restaurants, and if I don't do this, I will turn into this, like, land whale or a monster and I will die of heart disease.
And, no.
It's kind of an 80-20 principle.
Most of the really horrible stuff in American food You can cut out pretty easily.
Don't get addicted to bad carbs.
That is the worst thing we have.
We agree.
Cheap carbs everywhere.
Cut those out.
You're gonna be healthy.
I cut out a lot of bad carbs, and that is how I cut a ton of weight, and then I ate a bunch of the chicken you think is poison.
I think chicken can be fine as long as it's free-range, not factory-finished, high-industrial steroid-infused.
I can buy a no sugar, like I can buy the healthy grade of peanut butter with no sugar added and all of that, and a container of it is still $3.99, and that's a very healthy food that's not available in Europe because they don't have peanut butter there for some reason.
True, none of the landmass.
Or beef.
Well, they could easily grow, obtain peanut butter, they just don't eat it, really.
They don't like it.
We have to go, everybody.
Do you agree with Blake or I?
I think American food is largely trash, with some exceptions.
I just think this is a moral thing.
It's just everyone repeats it, and then they go on vacation, and they like the food.
I got you to yield a couple points.
Can I just say one thing on this American food debate?
Because even though American food may not be as healthy as it could be and should be and is in other places in the world, no one has the flavor options, all the options.
We have diversity.
And also, if you like foreign food, you can go buy it.
I don't even know where it would be, but there's gonna be a Russian grocery store, a German grocery store, there's an Asia Mart a mile away from here, and you can go to all those places and get their foods, and they're all still gonna be really cheap.
We all agree, corn is the problem.
You don't want Russian grocery stores in your neighborhood.
Corn is, if there was one thing to remove from the American diet, it's all forms of high fructose corn syrup.
Remember, the Aztecs worshipped corn as a god, and then they also ate human beans for the nutrition.
Obviously a causation correlation.
Everybody, we gotta go.
Remember, take out corn of your diet and just remove all carbohydrates.
