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Happy Thought Crime Day, everybody.
We have Blake, we have Tyler, we have Jack.
Let's get right into it to be the most efficient we can.
Blake, what is our first story?
First story, it's coming out of Michigan, a state that gives us many bad things, like Detroit Lions football, most years, and the Detroit Tigers and, you know, Gretchen Whitmer.
Excuse me, we're going to Michigan this June.
We love Detroit.
We love Michigan so much now.
Don't forget people's already.
All right.
All right.
But anyway, this is well, I'll just say in an alternate universe Trump's still president the Detroit Lions have made it to the Super Bowl and Toby Keys probably still alive, but I'm just saying It is the alternate one.
Unfortunately, the one we are in we have this story out of Michigan from Pontiac a Michigan jury has convicted the mother of a school shooter of manslaughter so back in 2021 other 2021, Ethan Crumbly was this teenager, and he did a school shooting, killed four other students, tragically.
He was 15 at the time, and he actually lived, so I think he already took a plea deal, life without parole.
But what prosecutors also did is they're prosecuting the parents, and they're trying them separately.
So this was the mom, Jennifer Crumbly.
And they charged her with involuntary manslaughter because of her son's shooting.
And this week they actually convicted her.
So she has been convicted of what her son did.
So I saw the news story.
So fill me in.
What is the fact pattern?
Before I can have an opinion.
Did she know that her son was making violent threats?
Did she know that he was playing around with weapons?
Did she not lock up weapons?
So she gave him a gun.
is a big key thing that they claim, they claim she knew or should have known that he was showing bad, unstable tendencies.
Was he a minor?
He was 15.
Okay, so that doesn't, that plays into the parent's responsibility, right?
Exactly, true, true.
And she gave him the gun, and despite there being warning signs of him being a dangerous person, and I'd have to check specifically, but I think it was literally something like She and her husband gave him the gun as a gift literally a day or two before he goes on this shooting so it's a very good fact direct cause and effect there and then was there evidence presented that he was going to be violent that she knew that he was making
So, there was definitely things where he'd written statements or sent text messages that, in a vacuum, sounded violent, but she argued, and I think it's, you know, other than the fact that he did become a shooter, the plausible argument like, oh, he was kidding around, you know, the way teenagers say insane-sounding things to be crazy, except this one was crazy and shot people.
Did he go see psychiatric help or no?
I don't know off the top of my head, but...
I don't think they did.
I don't think so.
I think that actually there was...
So this all comes to a head, and I'm sure you're going to get to this, Blake, but this comes to a head where there's like a school...
They actually had pulled the parents into the school on the morning that the shooting took place, obviously before the shooting, and had said they had found some...
I mean, the fact pattern is really, really bad in this case, right?
That's why they're using it to...
For sure, for sure.
They want this to be the example for everyone.
They said they wanted him to get help, and the parents...
We don't know exactly what the disposition was, but the parents sent him back to school rather than pulling him out immediately. - Thank you.
And so, as Jack and I were discussing... I'm torn on this.
Sorry, go ahead.
Because you have a 15-year-old minor who actually kills people and a parent who gives them the weapon.
There's more info to this story.
Yeah, tell me.
The parents, if I recall correctly, had a history of being violent in front of the child, I believe, that was documented by him prior to this with a school psychiatrist.
I don't know if it was a school or a real professional.
Sorry for people that I didn't mean that that are out there, but You know a school psychiatrist versus like a professional outside that the school ooh This is school officials left a voicemail and email for Jennifer crumbly the mother she did not respond But she later texted her son saying lol.
I'm not mad at you.
You have to learn not to get caught I gotta be honest, I'm not very sympathetic with this mom.
Well, this is the other thing.
So this is the real kicker, though, that I was trying to get to.
I'm sorry.
I was studying around this.
They made him bury his own dead dog.
So I guess the dog died.
The kid was left alone all the time, and I guess this was documented.
Did he kill the dog?
No, he didn't.
Well, I don't know.
Who knows how the dog died?
The dog died, the parents did nothing, and they made him figure it out on his own.
I'm getting more here.
According to prosecutors, Crumbly's only friend moved away at the end of October 2021, so just before the shooting, and the family dog died, causing him to become depressed.
As early as March 2021, he had been sending his mother disturbing texts about his state of mind, which included claims about demons and ghosts being inside the home.
I mean, I gotta be—I mean, Jack, if you disagree, I don't hate this.
It's just not first-degree murder.
Let me just—one last thing.
Remember, we were very quick during the Sandy Hook tragedy to blame the parent for not locking up the weapons, right?
That was a big part of the talking point.
Why shouldn't there be a statement that parents, if you have a potentially lunatic child, You know, if they're a minor.
Now, if you're dealing with a 19 or 20 year old, Jack, am I wrong?
Am I processing this incorrectly?
No, I don't think you are.
But I do think that we're in a new area, right?
We're in a new gray area here because look, I don't think these were good parents.
Um, and I don't think anyone is making that argument and I don't think anybody I've even seen anywhere on the spectrum is making that argument, the political spectrum, of course, not the, not any other spectrums that we might be talking about in regards to this case.
But the, the situation here, Charlie, isn't necessarily about this one case.
It's actually about whether or not this precedent will then be continued to be used in other cases and really where does this precedent end?
Because it is a new precedent and it is a precedent that has, and all of the media, you know, sent this way out.
And I certainly don't think that these are sympathetic parents.
And I think that we see this from sort of the liberal legal establishment or liberal legal complex, whatever you want to call it.
They always use unsympathetic characters, unsympathetic targets to push new precedents.
And so even though we can certainly agree that the facts of this case do warrant some kind of accountability for the parents, We should also, I think, take a step back to say this is a new precedent.
The Overton window is being moved in one direction and this will certainly only be used against, I would say, a certain class of people.
Hold on, but is it really that crazy of a precedent?
If I'm not mistaken, there's been criminal convictions of people for manslaughter when someone says they're gonna commit suicide, and they encourage them to do that?
Yeah.
Right?
Like, if they really egg them on into it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, if you hand someone a gun, and then they kill themselves, then... You could be an accessory to murder, right?
You for sure will be convicted of that.
Yeah, so is it really that far-reaching?
We're talking about a minor here, where there were multiple warning signs, and they did supply the murder weapon.
Yeah, and it's very...
Very old-fashioned, I would say, that parents are responsible for their children and what they do to some extent.
Certainly in civil court that can happen, you know, if you're negligent with your child and the child does these things.
But I guess what stands out to us is, are we actually going to see this principle applied For gang murders.
Yeah, gang murders.
There's a lot of cases where parents are super absentee, and that's a huge impact on their children becoming violent, criminal messes.
The question is, should we?
Should we have the law point towards parental responsibility?
I think when it comes to murder, yes.
Yeah, I mean, I'm all for gang, you know, if there's a gang kid in Chicago and the mom is like, yeah, you know, go shoot up the rival gang.
And hands him a gun.
Yeah, and hands the gun, like, you know, go teach the Crips a lesson.
But what if it's something in the middle?
What if the kid just has Friends who are obviously criminals, gang members, and the parent doesn't take action to say, these people aren't allowed in our house.
You can't hang out with them.
If they come here, we will call the police.
If they're negligent in that sort of way, and then that person becomes a criminal, a violent criminal, should they be responsible for that?
Yeah, but that's why it's up to a jury at that point to... But I think what we're talking about here is setting the precedent for some basic facts here, which is if you hand a crazy person a gun that you're responsible for in your household, that you claim on your taxes, and then that person kills someone, yeah, just the same way.
And by the way, this already happens with cars.
Yes.
So if you let your minor child have access to a car, and then they go and kill someone, you will become an accessory for sure in that case.
I think so, yes.
For murder.
And that's probably, I don't have an example of it, but I guarantee that's happening.
So Jack, but I want you to, Jack, what is the precedent?
I must be missing this.
I mean, let's pretend the worst, most Stalinistic What, what is the precedent here that I'm missing?
Because the fact pattern is minor, weapon, days ahead, ignoring warning signs of text messages.
What, with that fact pattern, what precedent should we be concerned about?
I'm not saying that sarcastically.
Well, Charlie, it's not, it's not, it's not about the fact pattern.
It's about the precedent of a, a someone connected to someone else, in this case, a child.
Um, then, Commits a crime, and then the person connected them, associated with them, becomes liable for the crime.
So, in this fact pattern, you've clearly got a direct line from the actions of the people to the crime being committed, or the actions, or I guess the inactions as well in this case.
But at the same time, I would also point out, and I remember saying at the time, looking at the case, looking at the same fact pattern when I said, wait a minute.
So the parents were called into the school and they were asked about the child.
They were shown some violent, I guess, drawings and writings that the student had made.
I shouldn't say child is 15.
That the student had made that seemed very violent, asking for getting help and saying, you know, and saying, I need help.
I hear voices.
The voices are telling me to kill.
At the same time, the school, the student resource officers, they had an officer, a security guy at the school, didn't never check the backpack of the kid.
Never once checked the backpack of the kid after seeing something like that.
The teacher never checked the backpack.
The principal never checked the backpack.
Nobody checked the backpack to see if there was a gun in there.
And so I guess my question is, when we're talking about these issues of legal liability, you know, why would you not find any liability for the school, given the situation that again, how many times do we talk about, oh, the FBI had someone on their radar, but then didn't do anything about it.
And the FBI is never found accountable for any of these things, or many cases where, you know, the FBI was, you know, working as an informant with somebody and directly tied to some crime that took place and they're trying to get them or, you know, they don't end up catching them.
And so the crime actually takes place.
But they again, they were on the FBI's radar.
Should the FBI be found accountable for arresting them in a weird way, though, Jack, this ruling.
And so where does this end?
But hold on.
This ruling actually uses trad con conservative belief that a parent is responsible for the kids as long as they're a minor.
Doesn't invert our own value system against us if we find this disagreeable.
Right.
Because our own belief system, for example, we're the ones crying foul that a parent should know if there's 15 year old is going to transition.
A parent Parent is in charge.
Parent's in charge.
So just to be consistent, if the parent's in charge, that comes with responsibility.
Right?
Because a security resource officer isn't their parent.
They might be guilty of gross negligence or civil responsibility, civil type action.
So I'm just thinking out loud because we're the ones, the left would be the ones that actually would say, no, the parent has nothing to do with the kid.
The kid can make up their own mind.
The kid can get their genitals chopped off.
This is where I start having practical worries, I suppose.
Something about this doesn't sit right with me, and I think it's the fact that we aren't starting, we aren't having an up or down vote on should parents be responsible for this whole gamut of crimes that kids can commit.
Instead, what we're doing is we're giving the state a new tool to prosecute, essentially, political targets, I think.
They chose this case specifically because it's a gun case, a shooting case.
So they want to basically send the message, don't allow your kids to be around guns because anything that happens with it could get you in trouble.
Don't have guns in your house.
Don't own guns.
Don't go hunting.
What the left loves is the idea that if you have a gun in your home for any reason, if anything bad happens, it can ruin your life.
They want to create that reality because they want to disarm the public.
And think of also how we see this on other cases.
So, you know, Trump.
They're gonna say, well Trump should have known that what he said, even if it wasn't normally criminal, what Trump said on January 6th, because he's Trump, he should have known it would have driven his followers into a frenzy and they stormed the Capitol.
They really like The left really likes the idea of transferring blame for one person's actions onto another person.
And they do this in other ways, you know.
This gangbanger shoots someone.
But really, society's to blame.
Actually, you're to blame for the thing this person did.
And this is that in miniature.
Does it change if they're a minor?
That's why I think it's a tough question.
That's what makes it sticky for me.
And they chose a good case to make this argument.
I have a different spin on it.
He goes hand in hand with Dan Crenshaw land, which is this is where this plays into what the left wants.
And to this point is really on the red flag law point, which is is not just if you have any kind of mental disorder that you shouldn't have a gun.
That someone in your household that has an issue means that you shouldn't have a gun in your household?
And that's the only place, I generally think that parents should be totally responsible for parents that do.
So if you can prove that I gave you the gun, or gave you open access, or you're messing around with a gun, and I knew you had issues, then yeah, you're gonna be held liable for this.
But red flag laws, what the left wants to initiate is that if I have someone in my household that potentially has issues, Then maybe I can't even own a gun.
And that's probably, that's the angle here in this conversation that is probably we haven't discussed yet.
That's the only issue that I have with that.
Now, the facts of the story are, it's pretty clear that the gun was basically, essentially provided to a kid.
Which is like the worst fact pattern.
For this woman, you could imagine.
So I think there's a happy median, which is like, I don't want red flag laws, but I also want people to know that if you have someone that's sick in your household, or you're sick, and you do something, you're gonna go to jail.
Yes!
And that's fine, too.
You know, that's... Yeah, I mean, the inverse is that the mom who gives the weapon to the kid... By the way, she's having, like, an affair, and she's doing some sort of crazy goofy stuff, right?
And she's talking about suicide, and she's, like, screaming... Not texting back her kid... And her dog's dying, and apparently the kid's having to bury the dog himself, and, like...
This kid was a volcano ready to erupt.
And do we just say the law is indifference?
It might not be the right criminal code, but we punish parents for being bad parents.
You can go to jail for abusing your kids.
And to your point with gangbangers, a lot of parents should go to jail.
We're dealing with this in Arizona with the Gilbert Goons thing.
Like, we don't know the facts of this yet, but some parents should have to be responsible for things that kids do.
And you can kill people a lot of different ways, right?
Like, you can curb stomp someone, you can knife someone, you can shake someone, you can shoot somebody.
Parents that let this action happen and they enable it, you know, should be held responsible to a certain extent with minors.
Jack?
Yes, here's my but is that, you know, I think it's very easy to get caught up in the fact pattern of this case.
And as we've stated, it's bad, right?
These are not sympathetic people.
But at the same time, you can't divorce this from the culture war that we are currently in, in the lawfare situation that we are currently in, where one side has the initiative and one side is constantly on the defensive or counteroffense every once in a while, where one side has the initiative and one side is constantly on the defensive or counteroffense every once in a while, where we know that every new precedent that gets set by the people who are anti-gun, by the people who are on the left, by the people who are coming after our rights,
And this is what I was getting to earlier.
We do live in a three-tiered system of justice.
We don't live in a flat, balanced system of justice.
So yeah, by the way, if this were going to be the new precedent and we were going to put this up to a vote in every state, I'd probably be for it.
I'd absolutely be for it.
Again, if we lived in a normal country.
But we don't live in that country.
We live in a country where conservatives, Republicans, gun owners, et cetera, are the ones that get cracked down on and not anybody else.
In fact, most violent criminals in this country, particularly in the major cities, are let go.
Violent illegal aliens are let go.
And so you can't divorce these new precedents that are being set from the context and the general trend and the tenor of the culture war in which we are currently in or soft cultural revolution, whatever you want, whatever name you want to use for it.
The, the, uh, quasi communist uprising, proto communist uprising that we're living through this precedent will be used against us.
And it's part, I would say it's also part of the left's wider understanding And their new conception using red flag laws and other types of judicial punishments because they understand that they can't get rid of the Second Amendment with the new Supreme Court.
There's no way they're going to be able to get rid of the Second Amendment in really our lifetimes.
And so what do they do next?
They go to the next level and they say, we're going to take away your ability to use your weapons.
They're already taking away our right to self-defense.
And by the way, this was the same exact argument they tried to use against Kyle Rittenhouse They tried to say he shouldn't have had the gun in the first place.
That's why those people are dead.
He was not allowed to have a gun.
He crossed state lines.
Again, these completely superfluous and trivial arguments that actually had nothing to do with the legality of the case or the facts of the case.
But again, they're still trying to criminalize the use of guns.
I'm not saying they were used rightly in this first place.
But I want people to understand that the left's anti-gun matrix has shifted on an operational base point the same way that they've shifted the operational matrix on our elections to the operational situation.
That's well said, Jack.
Okay.
Jack, by the way, there's some goofy stuff.
Tyler, you and I, without going into details, I think we got bio-blasted.
Yeah.
I think the Republican establishment bioblasted us in Vegas.
I think there might be miniature robots that entered my body.
By the way, I was listening to Brandon Tatum's show on Friday, and he was like, I've never been so sick.
I have the weirdest symptoms.
Goofy.
Stuff I've never, ever dealt with before.
Jack, you got sick as a dog, right?
I don't want to get ahead of myself.
If all of a sudden, in April, they're like, oh, by the way, there's COVID 2.0, I will have been, and you would have been, in the front.
And where did they hit?
Where did they hit?
Vegas right before the Super Bowl?
I'm just I'm telling you, there is something going in those halls of Vegas that I think over my house, I have Kim trails that go over like all the time.
I'm constantly just going straight outside.
There is something I'm going straight outside.
There's a gas mask between my house and my car.
And like, you know, trying to you got to check out it.
I was like, this is this is man-made.
It just felt man-made.
No, the symptoms I've been having, I'm like, this is not normal.
It's like weird stuff that's like very fringe.
OK, so if you want lifesaving medication, Jack, you just got your ivermectin, didn't you?
I just took ivermectin for the very first time, I guess, what, three or four days ago.
I have yet to grow a horse mane or a horse tail that I am aware of.
I've been galloping a little bit lately when I'm in the gym, but, you know, that's, you know, that's fine.
That's normal.
So if you want your own Ivermectin, because there is something... If you guys haven't yet had the pleasure of getting... If you think you are sick over Christmas, this is a whole new thing.
This is not conventional.
This is asymmetrical warfare.
When you get it, you'll know it.
It's... Right, Tyler?
It is goofy stuff that I've never felt before.
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Oh, yeah.
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It really...
Well, can I?
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But I was on my deathbed.
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Okay, next topic, Blake.
Alright, this is an interesting one.
It was going on last week, so we love having debates on Twitter, and we love Zoomers whining on X, and so what's going on Matt Walsh, our friend over at The Daily Wire, kind of got a lot of heat because of how he responded to this extremely upset Zoomer, and I thought we should talk about it because there was actually a very strong split between myself and a lot of friends and a lot of conservatives on X. It's a bit of a long clip, but this is basically some Zoomer.
She's about 22, and she's complaining about her life, and it's a clip.
Yeah, it's clip number 69, so let's just play that.
Why is it that I have to work 40 hours a week just so I can have a place to live?
40 hours a week makes me $2,000 a month and my rent is $1,660.
So I work 40 hours a week so I can have a two bedroom apartment and an extra $300 a month.
Like, it doesn't cover my phone, internet, food, you know?
So not only do I not have any extra money, but just working makes me so exhausted that I don't have time either.
like i get off work at 5 30.
come home i'm just so tired i'm so tired that like anything that i need to do outside of work i then just push off to like the weekend to And I'm like, I'm just too tired to do this after work.
I'll wait until Saturday.
So then I end up with so much to do on the weekend that ends up having to be split into two days.
So I have to do stuff on both Saturday and Sunday.
So then I don't get a day off.
I don't get a day to relax.
I don't get to decompress.
So it is really like working seven days a week.
Constantly.
And I don't want to do that anymore, right?
Like, I don't care how poor and miserable I would have to be.
But I literally can't have a place to live without this, you know?
Like... I don't know what to do.
So are you sympathetic?
So I'll explain after this is done.
I think we've got the idea.
You guys can cut it now.
So here's what happens.
Where does she live?
I'm not sure.
I'm not sure.
But 1600 for a two bedroom.
She probably doesn't live in a major city, to be honest.
That's like...
You would not get a... That's about Arizona.
She's got to get some blood work done.
Two bedroom here is more... She's got to get her vitamin D level checked.
She's got a vitamin B deficiency.
I think she acknowledges that something is physically wrong.
You live swanky.
Yeah, I guess.
She's got to start supplementing with some stuff.
She's got some magnesium probably, potassium, sodium.
She's got some... What makes this interesting here?
Matt Walsh, he replies to this in a way that seemed pretty reasonable to me.
He replies, uh, you can put number 70 up on screen.
"Honestly boggles my mind that so many people think 40 hours of work a week is a lot.
That leaves you at least 5 or 6 waking hours a day during the week to yourself and two days on the weekend.
How much more free time do you really think you should have?" And then he continues on number 71, "Of course, the reason you see women in these videos so often is that most women don't actually want to work professional careers at all, but they've been pushed this direction by society.
But even so, we should be clear that taking care of children will mean working more than 40 hours a week.
A lot more.
Life is work, no matter how you slice it.
Suck it up and deal with it.
Now what's interesting is, A lot of people I know, and also a lot of the comments from conservatives on X, were super hostile to this.
They think Matt is being a spiritual boomer.
He's being super dismissive of how terrible it is to be a young person in America.
This is why Turning Point is taking over the world.
And we get some of these responses.
Tyler works like a hundred and ninety, like he works 145 hours a week.
This is what they would say.
I haven't had a day off since I met Charlie Kirk.
A big response was, they're saying, Matt, you're a podcaster.
You barely work.
You just work six hours a week talking on a screen, which I don't know, Matt, but I suspect he works more than that.
Much like you work a lot more than when you're on screen hosting a show.
Yeah, I have a couple things going on.
Yeah.
If you enjoy what you do, okay, you never work a day in your life.
People do point that out.
Maybe she has a really draining job.
I don't know what it was.
Well, first off, the math doesn't add up.
She's getting paid allegedly $11 an hour.
Yeah, where is she?
Like Jackson, Mississippi?
Maybe she's a fast food worker.
It could be really bad.
They pay like $22 an hour now.
I just went they pay in and out.
They have this big thing $25 an hour to flip burgers.
It's literally in most of these places.
There's the minimum wage is like way higher than that.
So she's either lying or number two.
She has literally a garbage job, which is you should you should have done Not literally a garbage job.
Garbage Man probably pays like $30.
No, I mean a garbage job.
She probably has no skills, that's the problem.
This actually goes back to the argument we make all the time, at least when I was at the TPUSA side of things, we talked with young people.
Young people should be working in high school.
I worked a full-time job in high school where I got paid the equivalent of that.
I got paid, I think my first job was $3.25 an hour, or whatever it was.
That, that job, that's when you learn those skills so that you, beyond high school, you can advance to something else.
So you're still living in your parents' home.
You're working a job that pays too little to actually live on your own.
The second thing is, why didn't she live with someone?
She thinks there's roommates and everything else.
Move somewhere that is more amenable to you.
None of this actually makes sense.
And she started her life too late because probably her parents belong in jail like the last parents we talked about.
This is a phenomenon I have seen, though.
This is something that exists.
I think it's some sort of Midwestern boomer experience.
It codes as conservative or libertarian to me.
There are some parents who really like the idea of having their kids get out of the house right away at 18.
You're on your own.
Live on your own.
Take care of yourself.
Sink or swim.
My parents were that way.
My parents are that way.
No.
- A lot of people are like that.
It seems counterproductive to me.
It seems-- - No. - Well one, if you're throwing people out to sink or swim right away, the answer that a lot of them do is they become huge liberals 'cause they're cut off from all existing structures.
- That does happen. - And also, we talk about the importance of setting a good foundation for your life.
And I think one of the ways you do that is we should be emphasizing you get a huge return on saving money early.
So this person is essentially being destroyed because she lives on her own making $2,000 a month.
Can I counter-argument what you just said, though?
Sure.
So I do think that a lot of people who are kicked out of their house do become liberals, but then they more quickly and more rapidly become conservatives again because they have to figure their own lives out.
Now, I've seen just as many people in my life who have lived in their parents' home until they're 35 who have become the most obnoxious liberals because they've never had to leave, never had to do anything on their own, and then they end up inheriting the family business or some large sum of money from a family member when their parents die, and then they never learned any life skills their entire life.
And so, I think no matter what, we have work to do on both sides of it, but I do think that the entire concept of having a bigger family where you're forced to kick kids out of the home is ultimately better for society than having fewer kids that live under your roof until you die.
Well, definitely not live until you die.
I think you can easily coddle kids too much, or you're Italian, and they have their kids live with them until... Or Russian.
They're 35.
That can be bad, but if you have the expectation, or you consider it normal...
Work at home.
Start your career while working at home.
Go to school while staying at home.
You do not need to race into your own place.
But you should do that in high school.
I mean, the argument I would make to you is like, that should happen in high school.
You should have garbage jobs in high school.
You should flip burgers and scoop ice cream and work at Target in the checkout line and have to dig ditches and do stupid stuff when you're a high schooler.
Instead of running around, you know, Doing bad stuff, you know, that high schoolers are doing now because they're coddled too much in high school or playing full time sports, which I don't I actually think that that's a horrible thing is that we should be like, like, I see every kid when I was in high school, kids played one sport in high school or or they played multiple sports was they're growing up.
Now we've got kids like to travel like they're like going to be the second coming of Wayne Gretzky or something.
And none of them are that good.
And then they turn into bad kids because they have all this free time because they're focused more on Sports and like a half-ass that half, you know, I guess we can we can cuss on this, right?
Yeah a half booty, you know School career and so and they end up in college and they never learn anything, but I think if you put kids to work The family business doesn't count, by the way.
You should force kids to go out, have to work for someone else, learn real valuable lessons, get fired from a few jobs, do that at an earlier age, and they're probably going to be more successful.
I want to get Jack's opinion here.
Yeah, I think the boomer take on this is really bad.
I think it's politically stupid, number one, in an election year to tell people...
That like, oh, you should, you should all work until you die.
And you should be like Nikki Haley, raising the retirement age to 70.
I mean, go take a look at five seconds of TikTok and see how Nikki Haley is just getting destroyed on there for that take.
Saying that like, every, you know, work is the only thing that's worthwhile in life.
specifically work at a job, by the way, work at a job, work at an occupation, work for some, whatever it is, right?
You know, defining yourself by your work is something that's just politically, I think, suicide.
I think it's actually suicidal for a movement to embrace that as their mantra.
I really do.
I mean, it's just the political instincts of like someone who probably backed the wrong horse in the primary earlier this year.
It's just really, really, really not smart.
And so, no, I mean, I think if you want to be out there and you want to actually make sense, talk about the fact that, hey, why aren't we all working four hours a week, or excuse me, four days a week and living off of our Chinese tariffs?
Why aren't we doing something like that and saying we can make things so much better for our people?
The goal of a political movement should be to make things better for your people, not worse, and telling them you're forced to work more, you're forced to do more.
And to the part where I do agree with Walsh, though, is that it is society that pushes these things.
It is society that pushes us To overwork.
Americans are absolutely overworked.
We work more hours than anyone.
We're unhappier than anyone.
We're all on SSRIs.
And you can see why.
You can see, if she goes to some therapist, the therapist is never going to say, like, oh, you should work less or you should, you know, try to find a less stressful job.
The therapist is going to say, here, take this, take this medication, take whatever, benzodiazepam, whatever it is, to, you know, beta blockers to make yourself feel better and then go about your day.
They're going to drug you up.
rather than saying, "Hey, you should find some work-life balance." It is just interesting to me how hostile it was.
I'm friends with a lot of people who work hard, and they were pretty negative about it.
And you can put up 72, some of the replies.
What are they negative about?
Matt Walsh's take?
I'll just read a few.
These are some of the top results.
This is from a guy, Hafios.
"Matt, I respect you, but you did radio and you run a podcast.
You work hard, but you cannot compare that to blue-collar work.
Even retail restaurant work is harder than what you do.
Stop being a boomer.
Next person.
Easy take when you make six or seven figures doing a job you love, Matt.
Try working 40 hours at a job that drains you mentally and physically and emotionally so that you can afford rent and groceries.
Some guy, dissident soaps.
Wait, Matt said that about working with Ben Shapiro?
Bad take.
Her husband should be able to afford a house and two cars, working 40 hours a week so she can stay home like people did before 1975.
And then, Ian, BS.
Five days out of seven is not a good work-life balance.
Yeah, I'm just speechless.
Like, I mean, I don't know what country I live in anymore, I guess.
I mean, first of all, I take one day fully off, so I do what the Bible says.
I literally stop for one day.
And I love what I do.
I think Tyler's on my team here.
Like, if you're not creating, then you're dying.
I personally think that, I mean, the Soviets put people on a six-day work week, okay?
So, these same people that don't want to work, they have no idea what's coming for them, when we actually get to, you know, the American-Soviet rule, which is what we're trying to avoid for all of them.
That is a funny part.
People will say, this is why we need communism.
Capitalism has failed.
Aha, comrade!
You shall enjoy your time in the lithium mine!
They had an eight-hour workday, but it was six days a week.
It was 48 hours, so you could look it up.
For me, you're gonna have jobs in your life where you're not the boss, and you're gonna have jobs in your life where you become the boss.
And some people never get to become the boss because they don't ever figure out how to become the boss, and that is called capitalism.
And so for me, it's like, You're never going to enjoy not being the boss.
You just aren't.
If you're not in control of certain things, if you're not creating, you're not doing things that you enjoy, you're probably not going to love that job.
Every job where I wasn't creating and being the boss, I didn't enjoy it, but I learned something from each of those things, so I can hopefully, at some point in my life, become the boss.
Am I the only one that enjoys work days more than weekends?
No, I like, it's more work to be at home.
Jack, do you, Jack, oh my goodness.
No, no, being a wife is harder.
Charlie, you are not, this is, I'm not saying I'm normal, but that's not true.
True story.
No, you don't hate work from home.
Most people are not normal.
Jack.
All these people hate work from home.
Which is good.
I moved from DC to Phoenix because I was going crazy not having an office.
Okay, so you agree.
I need to be at a workplace with people.
I'm curious, does this sound super out of touch or distant when I say that weekdays give me more fulfillment than weekends?
Well, I don't know about fulfillment, but I will say this, and I already answered your question.
I'm going to score points right now because my wife's job is way harder at home.
No, 100%.
Managing three children.
We have one kid, and I need a nap after, like, two hours, and I have to go for a walk.
And I think this is a male-female thing, right?
Which is, like, my wife might disagree, and she might find things uncomfortable about working and doing what we do every day, but, like, it's hard to do those things, and everybody has a role.
Yeah, I just, I don't, I don't know, I'm different.
I just, I love when I get to wake up super early and... I think we could say there might be a crisis in terms of less work is giving people a sense of meaning.
Sure.
Even if it's a very grunt work of the past, you might have built something.
You were in a factory, you saw that car get made.
Yeah.
Or you worked on a farm, you saw that crop grow and feed people.
Whereas now, your real grind job could be something you work as an Amazon delivery person, you work as a telemarketer, and it's a true grind job that is the same every day, with no change, and often you're very policed in it, you have these workplaces that spy on you, and they penalize you if your bathroom break is two minutes too long, and I think that can be really oppressive and draining to people, and it is something for conservatives to think about, because if we are pro-work,
We should want work to be something that people will, if not enjoy, at least understand and appreciate.
I think we're pro-creation, because we're made in the image of God, and God creates.
Work is a bad word for it, because it feels like toil, or it feels as if it's just kind of digging a ditch to fill it back in again, which is a form of hell.
What I'm advocating for is creation, building new things, and innovating, And being creative about different problems.
And by the way, you could do creation in the family unit, too.
You're creating kids.
You're building kids.
I mean, this young lady sounds as if she looks at work as soul-sucking.
But you said in Japan that if you come and you see a bus driver, he's like, I will be the best bus driver I can be.
But isn't that, to my argument, you can make even unfulfilling work fulfilling if you believe in duty and obligation?
For sure.
But it is very much The miasma of society around it does play a huge role.
It's hard to be the only one at your job who cares, and they'll, like, all hate you for it, and if the job doesn't give you any incentive to do that... Yeah, but we don't live in a society where we're assigned these boring jobs.
You can still find... You can still have agency.
I think about this all the time.
I'm like...
Man, it would be a beautiful vacation to have one of those jobs at some point, right?
Jersey Mike's.
Sometimes I'm like, I would love to be an Uber driver and just spend all day long chatting with people, live in like my, yeah, do that whole thing.
And yeah, some people think that that's miserable.
I talked to some Uber drivers who are like, man, I hate Uber.
I'm just doing this for a short period of time.
And then there's people who love it, right?
And it's just to that point that Charlie said is that you can make anything great.
The beauty of America is that no one is stuck with There's a lot of different jobs that you can find a lot, and you can hop around to a lot of those different jobs.
Right now we have a problem in America where we don't have enough of these jobs filled, and that's part of the problem that we have because we aren't training our people at a younger age to take these jobs, learn something from them in advance.
And that's part of why I think society is collapsing a little bit, is because we're trying to force 45-year-olds to learn things they should have learned when they were 15.
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What I'm saying, though, is I find there's actually more good reasons than not of why people are behind on their taxes.
Not everything is because you were just trying to go to Vegas for a $2,500 a ticket Super Bowl.
Okay.
It's $5,000 a ticket now.
Are you kidding me?
Cheapest ticket available is $5,000.
You know, that would be a good thought crime topic.
Why is it so expensive this year?
What is... I have my own personal... This NFL season has been the most commented by non-football people.
Is it the Taylor Swift effect?
What is it?
Or is it that we finally got over the woke stuff and we kind of forgot it?
I think we are truly reaching the point where the NFL is the only unifying cultural force in American life.
It is the only thing everyone watches, everyone follows.
They said it was the most popular season ever.
It's the only show anyone watches on TV anymore.
No one watches network television anymore.
No, that's smart.
Totally dying.
It's all live sports, and the only live sport that really dominates is football.
And it's ability to just, now it's sucking in all the gambling money, it's sucking in the pop music fans.
That's another point.
I think the DraftKings revolution.
By the way, we should do a whole ThoughtCrime on the morality of gambling.
Have we done that yet?
I think we did.
We talked about doing that.
Oh, that would be such a good conversation.
Wouldn't that be a good one?
We did not do a full... Like, it came up in the course of another discussion.
What's our last topic?
Oh, our next topic.
Do you just want to do the real topic?
We can do that.
What is the next one?
AI and... Oh, no, that's too good.
We can't miss that.
No, we have to.
No, but I just want to say, I think that also the fact that it's in Vegas, I think people are getting free hotel rooms, basically, like 30 bucks a night.
So maybe there's more demand to go to the Super Bowl and cheap flights to Vegas, like every place flies to Vegas in America.
They all just want to gaze upon the sphere, which we must all bow towards.
You know, by the way, have you seen that thing?
It's incredibly impressive.
It's so cool.
I saw it when we were there last week.
I wish they'd do more shows than stupid U2 there.
Alright, let's do a Dignify AI.
Dignify, I just thought I'd say it, but AI.
This is one of my favorite stories.
Erica loved this story when I showed it to her.
She thought it was the coolest thing ever.
Walk us through it.
Jack, do you want to drive on the bus here?
Do we have something written or do you want me to like kind of explain it?
We have a ton of photos so you can describe it and they'll just put them up while you talk about it.
Yeah, so we finally found a proper use for AI and so for all of the thoughts out there who are attempting to use OnlyFans or social media to reel in their, you know, their catch, their prey, their simps, their betas, whatever you want to call them.
Basically what 4chan has developed and there's this great guy on Twitter, X, has created the account at Dignify AI.
It's called Dignify and it exists as this really interesting tool where it's going through these pictures of scantily clad women and also women with egregious tattoos or any tattoos and Cleaning them up, just absolutely making women look more beautiful, more dignified.
And it's really speaking to something in our culture where, Miley Cyrus from the Grammys, where it almost seems like the women look better when they are dressed more dignified or attired more dignified.
And it speaks to something in our culture, I think, where these women who, and by the way, This one right here, for example, I actually kind of disagree with in a sense because, you know, it's funny, right?
Obviously.
But I do think that you can go a little bit too far with these things where I don't think that she's, you know, dressed like a hussy walking around in or trying to, you know, use her looks to generate money on the Internet.
I think that she's just a model dressed as, you know, I guess like a Greek, you know, Greek kind of figure here, like Helen of Troy or whatever.
And so I do think there's a tendency for Dignified to go a little bit too far, but where it's most effective for is for trolling the thoughts and patrolling the thoughts.
And the thoughts, like this one right here, will absolutely be patrolled.
And anytime you can do this.
I was a huge supporter, by the way, of the Thought Audit.
Do you guys remember the Thought Audit?
I remember we were just talking about taxes.
They should have given her something she was lifting here, though, to make it more... I want to make sure we get this headline.
Just to explain it for folks, because I was talking about taxes.
So the Thought Audit was for people to go, and they were matching with girls on OnlyFans or some of these other things, and they were saying, like, Oh, what do you how much do you make and do you do you report that to the IRS?
You must pay a lot in taxes and then getting them to say something like, oh, I don't report it.
And then taking their information and reporting that to the IRS, because 4chan found out that apparently you can you can receive a bounty, like a percentage of the taxes that aren't being paid if you find somebody who's not paying their taxes.
And so it became called the thought audit.
And I actually coined that term thought audit when it was going on.
Back at the time.
And it's it's it seems like we should bring it back.
I want to.
Jack, they're also doing that.
So they were encouraging people to do that with with the servers, too.
So they're like, every time you go out to eat, report your server.
Oh, no, I wouldn't do that to a server.
No, that's where it came from.
That was the original thought on it was the server.
Those aren't those aren't the same as e-thoughts.
No, I know.
I would just say that's where it came from.
I think I think is wrong.
I feel bad for those poor people who were You know, getting audited.
Maybe that girl in the video was one of those people.
Maybe that girl in the video got audited because somebody had a bounty on her.
I have it on screen if we just want to show it here.
You can just bring up my screen here.
So this is an actual article on Rolling Stone.
I did not initially believe it was real.
Uh, 4chan, death by snusnu, 4chan chuds used AI to clothe her.
How did she fight back?
Dignify.
And apparently, I'm not sure.
I didn't read this.
She actually had AI on her edited AI actually remove her clothes.
So now it's a completely.
And I am not a subscriber to Rolling Stone, so I cannot read the text of this article.
But apparently she fought back.
Chud is this kind of slang term for kind of right wing dude.
Well, this interconnects with everything with the girl that wanted a better job, too, because Because maybe, I don't know what she's doing out there to make up for the disparity in her income, because she only had $200 to live off of.
Hopefully, it's nothing bad.
But some of these, I know people are using AI for better headshots that they're putting on their applications to places, like on their resumes.
Some of these pictures that Dignify is doing are really great for resumes.
So, you know, maybe it'll get them a better job even.
Yeah, just go on your Instagram, take your sauciest photo, and then just, oh, now you're in a suit.
Now you're in, now you're... People want to hire people with kids and wear crosses.
They're fully clothed.
So, like, use this, your Dignify picture now and put it on your resume.
That's nice.
Put on your resume, you know?
Let's create an entire account around your dignified pictures.
Jack Posobiec, a far-right influencer, excuse me, not far-right, you mean right so far, who on Friday posted four examples of the tool being used on what he referred to as e-girls, a derogatory term for women with front-facing personae on the internet.
Like, what?
I'm not really sure exactly how she's getting us back.
I think she's just yelling?
Like, she's basically just complaining about it?
Yeah, death by snoo-snoo.
I'm not really sure how she has fought back in any way other than, like, taking her clothes off more?
Like, I'm so confused.
Alright, what's the final topic, is that it?
We could talk about, real quick, Elon Musk is going to go to war with Disney.
Is a lawsuit going to be filed?
I can't say more.
I have heard some stuff that it seems legit.
He seems very interested in this.
And this is all because yesterday, he's been on a bit of a warpath.
So yesterday, Elon Musk tweeted, an anonymous source just sent me this from Disney.
It is mandatory institutionalized racism and sexism.
And before we show the image, I just want to say this has been seen 43 million times.
It has 186,000 likes, 44,000 reposts.
This has been seen by a huge number of people.
And it's Disney's general entertainment content inclusion standards, as they call it.
And so they have four different categories here that apparently within Disney, you have to fulfill at least three or two or three criteria in each standard.
and they're trying to hit all of them to hit this.
So for example, Standard A, on-screen representation.
A1 characters.
50% or more of regular and recurring written characters must come from underrepresented groups, which they put in capital letters.
Uh, or, you know, A4, series premise.
Meaningful integration of underrepresented groups in overall themes and narratives.
And similar stuff for actors, secondary characters, and episodic storytelling.
And you need to get three out of five of those to fulfill Standard A. And it continues like this.
Standard B is creative leadership, so who's writing it, who's the casting director, who is in senior creative leadership.
And then below the line which is production staff, crew members, and then finally industry access and career development.
And this is paid employment opportunities such as apprenticeships, it's the vendors you're hiring, the contractors you're hiring, and all of these are based on So, increasing representation for so-called underrepresented groups, and then, you know, obviously there's other groups that are going to lose out, purely based on identity categories, and Musk has been getting more and more vocal about this just over the past year.
He kind of starts off, oh that's interesting, and he's getting more and more aggressive about this, and now he's just, he's straight up saying, if you feel you've been discriminated against by Disney, contact us and we will try to provide you legal help.
I'm not sure why he's at war with Disney specifically, But I think we can all agree the House of Mouse might be due for some... Elon wins these lawsuits.
He has a good track record.
I think it's clear why he's in war with Disney, because if you look at what he's doing with X, he's trying to position X as a streaming service.
And I think Disney Plus, outside of, you know, sort of in like Normie world, is one of the top streaming services against Netflix.
Keep in mind, you've got, you're not just talking about Disney+, you're also looking at ESPN, ABC, all of their corollary networks, Marvel, etc, etc.
And so, anything that he can do to take, to me, it just shows Elon getting more into that entertainment media space, the same way that, obviously, he's, you know, he's promoting Tucker for coming on, I think, what's his name from, Don Lamond is coming on X, so he's
