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Deliver us from evil!
Hi everybody, welcome to America's Voice.
We are here right now, live at MFest, and you are missing out today on Jack Pozo.
We are stepping in for him.
Ava and I are filling in for Jack Posobiec with Human Events Daily.
We are glad to bring you this live from Turning Point USA here in beautiful Phoenix.
We have a great crowd of people here today.
Hi everybody.
Great to be here with you guys.
Thank you for coming.
It's terrific.
And we have a great show for you today as well.
Do you want to bring in our first guest?
Absolutely!
So we have a subject that is very close to all of our hearts.
You know, free speech.
And of course, the European Union is trying to ruin our party.
They are coming after X. They are coming after Elon Musk.
And I have the X-It Girl in the house today.
Ashley St.
Clair, come on in!
Hey Ashley, great to have you here.
I'm so lucky to be between you two beautiful ladies here.
Look at that.
So why don't you give us a breakdown, Ava, of what's exactly going on in the EU with the, what is it, on behalf of the, it's the Digital Services Act.
That's right.
And the EU is going to sue Elon Musk over this.
So break it down.
Okay, so the European Union has a Digital Service Act, which is basically a censorship act that is trying to, I think, target Elon Musk and X specifically because they are terrified, obviously, of the fact that we are now able to speak the truth about them.
And, uh, Thierry Boutin, he is the Commissioner for the Internal Market in the European Union, wants to become famous by being Elon's number one enemy, and now they are going forward with formal infringement procedures, and they're saying that X has...
Basically violated a lot of these parts of the Digital Service Act.
And I want to talk to you about that, Ashley, because you are amazing on X. Everybody knows you there.
This platform is a platform that we both use and love.
And I want to hear your thoughts about this.
Like, what's going on here?
This is the deliberate targeting of Elon Musk and anybody who dares to say that free speech is a human right.
They're going after him because they don't want their ideas derided.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember them going after META, META platforms, who are responsible for, some studies say, 80% of the online child exploitation cases, META is cited as a source for these child exploitation.
But they would rather go after Elon Musk and X for the grave sin of daring to allow people to speak freely.
And that's exactly what this is about because they loathe free speech.
And the reason they loathe free speech is because they don't want people to have the freedom to dissect and deride their ideas because censorship is antithetical to discourse.
Right.
And so one of the things that Cherry Breton or the EU is now saying X is guilty of is, of course, the famous word disinformation.
Don't forget misinformation.
That's a big one, too.
Of course.
So can you tell us about that?
Is it true that every time these people talk about disinformation, it is just something that they don't like to hear?
What is it that they mean when they say misinformation?
I think that's so important to understand.
It's just like when they say hate speech, right?
It's so subjective.
Disinformation is subjective based on whoever's deciding at that time what's disinformation, what's hate speech.
They use these terms to have this vague, overwhelming blanket that they can use censorship.
And this is why I've always been a free speech absolutist.
It appears that Elon Musk appears to be that way on X because we have to have this.
I've noticed there's more radicalism When you do participate in censorship, because then these bad ideas go to the dark corners of the internet, where they're not challenged, and they fester, and they corrupt society.
Right, and it's not just like dark ideas, right?
This whole term, misinformation, disinformation, all of it.
I remember this was right after Elon had acquired Twitter, but you know, all of the headquarters and still the European headquarters of Twitter, I think are filled with people who are trying to obscure and subvert all of his efforts.
I got banned off of Twitter for talking about the sudden adult death syndrome.
Do you guys remember that?
The sudden adult death syndrome.
Yes.
Why don't you fill us in on that?
What's the sudden adult death syndrome?
Oh man, this was back in 2022 when we were starting to see a lot of people dying suddenly.
And anybody who said, well, maybe this has something to do with the fact that we have a worldwide rollout of the experimental vaccine, and maybe we should ask some questions about that.
No, no, the media said no, guys.
It's sudden adult death syndrome.
It was the largest joke in the world, and I posted a tweet about it, and then that got me banned.
Permanently suspended from Twitter.
Is this one of the kinds of things that the EU is seeking to get Elon Musk to prevent being discussed on X?
I think so, that's what I mean.
So it's not just about, you know, getting really controversial subjects to be monitored, you know.
I think we have to completely step away from the fact that these people do not have good intentions, right?
They cloak it in nice words.
They say, oh, we all have to abide by the law, you know, we won't want Dangerous information out there, but it's all a lie.
It's all for them to control the narrative so that we can't speak out about the terrible policies that these people push.
Because, mind you, Thierry Breton is somebody who no one ever voted for.
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Hi, everybody.
Well, there we are again.
As we said, you know, we're stepping in for Jack here.
Women never know when to stop.
We completely missed our cue, but we're back and we are continuing our conversation about the EU's totalitarian crackdown on free speech and their efforts to obstruct every single move that one brave man in this world, and I just want to say God bless Elon Musk for his efforts in protecting free speech.
They're trying to ruin our party.
Libby.
Yeah, so Ashley, we were just talking about how this is going down in Europe, and I'm really interested to talk about the parallels that we're seeing in the U.S.
We're seeing that, you know, people are coming after Elon Musk here, elected officials.
What's that all about, and what do you think is gonna happen?
What's the fallout gonna be?
I'm excited.
You know, there's so many people talking about how bad this advertiser boycott is, but I was, my boss Seth Dillon from the Babylon Bee was on stage yesterday, and he said, I don't think anybody realizes how important it is That someone told Disney and their mountains of money that they don't want it.
That is amazing and I think we should be doing everything we can to support X and Elon Musk because he is the most important voice for free speech in this country right now and in the world.
He just went over to Italy.
He's a good friend of Europe.
He goes over there and speaks about these issues as well.
We need to support this platform because it is the last shot for free speech that we have in this country and in the world.
Frankly.
That is correct, because all of these other platforms are obviously not going to save us.
We were just talking about that they're not coming after Instagram.
They're not coming after Google.
They're not coming after, well, Meta is the same.
You know, it's all owned by the same people who have the same political agenda.
And X is the only platform where people like us are free to discuss any idea.
Well, let's be clear.
The EU and all of these advertisers boycotting X, you are hypocrites.
You are hypocrites because your ads are showing next to child exploitation material on Meta and you're doing nothing.
You're hypocrites.
You don't really care.
You tell them, girl.
So what can people who are here at this great conference do to fight back against censorship?
Because it's so pervasive.
It's the manipulation of language.
It's the suppression of ideas.
It's the suppression of news stories that go against the narrative.
And it's the suppression of new concepts.
How can we push back against that?
You need to understand that freedom has a high cost, and you need to be willing to pay it.
You need to speak up, and you need to speak up loudly.
You need to support the people who are supporting free speech.
You need to support the platforms that are supporting free speech, like X and Elon Musk.
And we all need to be brave, because bad things happen when good men do nothing.
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, get X Premium.
Get on there.
You know, it's worth the money.
It's a great platform.
You get to engage with all sorts of people that you otherwise would never engage with.
And it's a small price to pay to keep free speech alive, right?
And to stand behind somebody who's a lot of skin in the game and who's making a lot of sacrifices to keep this possible for us.
So I know that you're... I mean, I called you the exit girl.
I stand by that.
She's amazing.
If you don't follow Ashley yet, what are you doing?
She's really the exit girl here, Ava.
She's a rising star.
You guys all have to watch her.
Big things.
Thank you, Ashley.
Well, thank you for coming on to talk to us about this subject.
I mean, we're all going to continue on X, so like I said, go and follow us.
Are you on X yourself?
I am sure on X, as are all of us.
I'm actually on all the social media platforms, and I've recently been...
I know this is really silly, but I've recently been on Threads, which is like the meta version of Twitter.
Do you want to tell us about that?
And do you want to know what's funny about it?
It's like a time capsule to 2020 Twitter.
You have like Taylor Lorenz complaining about COVID and how nobody's wearing masks.
Still complaining about this exact same thing.
You have people running like big posts that are just like trans women are women.
There's all this stuff about how white people are the devil.
It's hysterical.
It's like, you just look at this and you're like, I'm so glad that I'm on Twitter.
You know what you should do?
You should go and, like, make screenshots of the most ridiculous things that you see there and make it a series on X so we can make fun of them.
Do, like, libs of TikTok, but, like, friends.
Exactly!
Should she do that?
Ladies and gentlemen, yeah!
I love that.
I've been, like, following through it and, like, sometimes I'll reply and I'll be like, no, you're just a man.
Like, I don't...
Excuse me.
You're a man.
I got a strike within 12 hours of being on threads and then I deleted it.
I deleted it.
I deleted it.
The thing too about that platform that I think people forget is that back after January 6th, do you remember when everybody started going after Parler?
Remember Parler?
It got banned from the App Store.
It got kicked off of like Amazon servers.
It got totally devastated and demolished.
And everybody was saying that the reason was because January 6th, that protest was organized on Parler.
Well, lo and behold, it was all on Facebook Messenger.
That's where everything, that's where people were talking and organizing their stuff.
And, which makes total sense, but Mark Zuckerberg was never called into Congress to talk about that.
He was called in to talk about other stuff, but not that.
Yeah, talking about that.
Didn't, didn't the White House or even Joe Biden come forward saying a few things about Elon Musk and like looking into him and things?
And there was an SEC and the FCC, the entire federal government is investigating Elon Musk over stupid stuff, including the one who's investigating him over the thing where it's like charred blue crabs, no fish and wildlife.
No, the one where he's not hiring enough immigrants.
Oh, my goodness.
Run like the security on his.
You see, like we're making fun of this because it's like it's funny to us how ridiculous these people are.
But if you think about it seriously, again, you know, you have the U.S. government officially launching like an investigation into the person of Elon Musk.
We have the EU trying to ruin this man's life.
And all because, let's face it, he and his platform is the biggest threat to their power right now.
It's because they're.
I think that I think also one thing that we see with his having stood up for free speech is it's the thing that happens when someone stands up and says no.
When someone stands up and says, I'm going to look at reality.
I'm not going to listen to your perception of it.
And it gives everyone else courage.
So as soon as you have someone stand up and fight for all of us, we're all able to stand up and say, Oh, you know what?
I'm going to do that too.
I'm not going to be cowed either.
And it gives us courage to stand up and speak out in our personal lives and our professional lives, not just online.
And I think that's such a huge, you know, Courage is absolutely contagious, so absolutely be bold, like I said earlier.
And you know what?
If you're in the EU, if you're in America, and you can't afford to feed your families, you can't afford your rent, don't worry because the government's going after Elon Musk.
Everything will be okay soon.
It's going to be safe.
We're all going to be safe from misinformation.
You have a border crisis?
You think you might want to do something about it?
No, let's go after Elon Musk.
Do you think that the federal government, The Biden administration.
The deep state.
Do you think that they're going to be able to pull the same shenanigans in 2024 with regard to suppression of ideas, concepts, reality as they did in 2020?
Do you think they're going to be able to pull that?
No, not with X. You don't think so?
Absolutely not with X. They're going to try, but they can't do it with X. What are going to be some of the hallmarks that we might see coming out of the administration and the deep state of how they're going to try and I think it's already, we're already seeing X's ability.
You're able to dismantle narratives that they push out in real time.
Like, for example, with the infamous tape on the Senate floor.
We all saw that, right?
We saw that, right?
Unfortunately.
We all saw exactly what happened, and then two days later, after everybody gets this news on Axe, NBC puts out a headline that says, allegedly, saying it allegedly happened, allegedly, even though we all saw this with our own eyes on Axe.
And that would not have happened a few years ago.
And there's been so many examples of this, of narratives and stories we would not have gotten without Axe, and without no censorship, without the freedom that we have right now on Axe.
Of course.
So I am very optimistic.
And this is why it is so important that we absolutely recognize and reject all of this BS about disinformation and misinformation.
Anytime a government official or a supranational organization like the European Union or one of the other three-letter We have to stop supporting these other organizations, these companies though, that are supporting this.
or disinformation, you have to think to yourself, oh, this just equals, this is a narrative that I don't like.
This is a dissenting opinion that goes against what I want you to believe.
And that is something that we have to see and reject fully.
Otherwise, you know, if we give them an inch, they're going to take away Twitter.
We have to stop supporting these other organizations, these companies though, that are supporting this because what we saw with the Twitter files that Elon released, as soon as he took over Twitter, he released the Twitter files.
And what did that show?
It showed that the FBI and these other three-letter agencies used Twitter to do what they constitutionally could not, and that was silence American citizens.
And that's still happening with these other organizations like META, like all these other social media platforms.
That's still happening.
So we really need to be ethical consumers in where we're spending our money, where we're spending our attention, because attention is the most valuable currency now.
And we have to take our attention away from these people who are in bed with these three-letter agencies to screw over the American people!
I think you're, yeah, I think you're exactly right.
So we all have to get on X. Well, some people might be watching us right now, live from X. So if you are on there, we're happy that you're watching us.
We're very grateful.
We're happy that you're joining us here live at MFest today.
And Ashley, it was wonderful speaking to you.
Thank you very much.
Like I said, go and follow Ashley if you don't already.
I'm now trying to not forget that we are going to a break in a little bit.
Well, we still have two minutes.
We still have two minutes left.
I know.
I will say that when I was a kid there was this phrase that the Democratic left used and it was question authority.
And the idea was that whoever was telling you what to do, you should take a look at that and interrogate why they're telling you to do that.
You should question it.
And I think that the Democratic left has forgotten that so fully over the past decade or so.
Really given up their ability to question power, and all they've been doing is submitting to it.
And what I'd love to see in America is the conservatives taking back some of these ideas, taking back the right to question authority, taking back the Bill of Rights, you know, demanding that these are our rights.
You have Joe Biden, sometimes he'll say no right is absolute, and it's just like, you are incorrect, man.
Come on, as he likes to say.
Right, and I think that your founding fathers were very clear about that.
Here in America, you have inalienable rights that were endowed upon you by your creator.
So your rights are your rights, not because the government says so, ladies and gentlemen, but because God says so.
Right, that's exactly right.
And Joe Biden is not God, and we all know it.
We all know it.
So before we go to the break, we are going to come right back with you in a little bit.
We're going to talk about a few more European issues.
I want to talk to you guys about what's going on in Germany.
The German farmers are rising up, just like the Dutch farmers have.
And we're going to do a little recap of that, see what the global war on farming is about.
And Libby, what else are we going to discuss later?
Yeah, so we'll be back in just a couple of minutes with that.
And we have a lot of great stuff and great content to talk to you about today.
So thanks for tuning in.
Thanks for letting us bend your ear today.
It is absolutely a pleasure.
I mean, this European girl feels right at home here at MFES.
Oh, that's so exciting!
It is a joy to talk to all of you guys.
And to everyone here, thank you so very much for coming to MFES.
It is an absolute honor of mine to be here.
It's been really a lot of fun.
All right.
Well, we are not missing our cue this time.
See you guys in a little bit.
You talk about influences.
These are influences.
And they're friends of mine.
Jack Posobiec.
Where's Jack?
He's done a great job.
And we are back with Human Events Daily.
Eva and I are filling in here for Jack Posobiec live from Turning Point USA in beautiful Phoenix, Arizona.
And we have a great story for you now that Eva was telling me about before we went on air.
Apparently there's been a lot of protests in Germany from farmers and this is something that you are familiar with.
You covered this when it was happening in the Netherlands as well, revolts from farmers.
What's going on in the EU with so many of these farmers who are pushing back and protesting?
Right, so let me give you a little bit of a recap on the situation within my home country.
So I'm from the Netherlands and as some of our viewers might know, our government had the amazing idea to go and commit a little bit of a land grab, so to say.
They said a few years ago that we have a so-called nitrogen crisis.
Right, I heard about this was going on in Canada too with fertilizer.
Yes, so you're ahead of me.
So this started out in the Netherlands, right?
And I saw this happening and I saw our government say, hey, we have a nitrogen crisis and the farmers need to go.
You guys are at fault here because apparently cows, just like humans, burp and fart and that causes climate change.
That was the narrative.
And conveniently, the state said, well, you know, I have a perfect solution for this.
You are now obligated to sell your land to me.
And 30% of the cattle farms in the Netherlands had to go under their new nitrogen policies.
So wait a minute.
The government forced farmers to sell their land to the government?
Well, that was exactly the plan and thank goodness the Dutch farmers weren't having it and we had massive protests these past few years.
And I remember saying about a year and a half ago, guys, I know that the Netherlands is a tiny country.
You might be thinking, why do we care?
But we were the second largest exporter of agricultural products in the world.
So, you know, if you care a little bit about your food supply, I think you should care.
But a more important point is, I said, this is not just a Dutch issue.
The attack on farming, the war on farming is a global one because it is part of the globalist agenda.
It's part of the agenda of control and what is a better way to control the people than to control the food, right?
To control what we eat.
The communists knew that, darn well.
Well, they sure did.
So what's, so how is this now unfolding in Germany?
Right, so the Germans, well, they're our neighboring country.
Those are, let me tell you, just like us, they're not people, they're not the French, you know.
We don't like to go out and riot, so when something... They're not the French.
They're not the French, and we don't like to go out to riot, we don't like to go on strikes, we don't like to protest.
So when something happens in the Netherlands or in Germany, you have to stay very focused and think, oh, what's going on here?
So now, The Dutch farmers have protested last year and today the German farmers have gone out in large numbers to Berlin demanding the stoplight government, that's what they're called, it's the red, green and the yellow parties, so it's the left-wing government essentially, to step down.
They're demanding the government step down over this.
Yes, because the German government is now cutting all sorts of tax benefits for the farmers, which are absolutely essential for them in order to do their work.
In order to feed the population.
Exactly.
It's not just, you know, we're not talking about people who want to make an extra buck.
I mean, every everyone who knows a farmer knows that that is not, you know, a profession.
Farming is not really a high profit industry.
No, it's a very honorable job.
It is usually the people in farming or people who have done it for centuries.
It's family businesses.
Usually also Christian people who have traditional values, who do something for their community, for their country, for the world.
You know, they provide us with our daily meal, quite literally.
And so now, all of these German farmers have gone out on their tractors, and it almost makes me emotional to see this type of footage, because it reminds me of our protests.
Do we have that?
Do we have that footage?
Yes, we have a little bit of footage from the protests right now in Berlin.
I wonder if we can see it.
See, yeah, there we go.
There we go.
We have the tractors out in Berlin right now.
I saw another clip where they were spraying some manure on the roads.
And I think that that type of protest is like, yeah, show them who's boss.
You know, they're coming after your private property.
They're coming after what you've worked for your entire life.
And they're coming after the people who are providing us.
They're coming after our food.
Yes.
Really.
And this is not just something that is going on in Germany.
It's not just something that hit in the Netherlands.
It's actually something that the Biden administration is trying to push on Americans.
The Biden administration is trying to cut down American food supply as well, in addition to hiking grocery prices, which I know everyone's familiar with.
We recently saw John Kerry, who is Biden's climate guy.
He was out, what was it, in Dubai at the COP28.
Yes.
And he was making some statements as well.
Can we see that clip?
Quite shocking statements.
He was making some statements about that as well.
Agriculture contributes about 33% of all the emissions of the world, depending a little bit on how you count it, but it's anywhere from 26 to 33.
And we can't get to net zero.
We don't get this job done.
Unless agriculture is front and center as part of the solution.
Emissions from the food system alone are projected to cause another half a degree of warming by mid-century on the current course that we are today.
So we have to reduce emissions from the food system to keep the 1.5 degrees alive.
There you go.
Yeah, so that's pretty wild.
John Kerry wants to cut back the food supply in the United States.
Yes, I mean, apparently he doesn't care if people starve.
No.
You know, and that is something that I think people find very difficult to grasp.
It's like, why would the government do this?
Why would the government come after one of the sectors that feeds the world, you know?
And why is it that the government wants to transform the world global food supply?
What is it that they're trying to do there?
I saw today on X, I saw video of 3D printed plant-based meat saying that this is what's coming next.
We see all the cricket feed going into, you know, cheese puffs in Canadian snack foods.
We see all of this stuff going on.
Why is it that they are taking this top-down approach to try to, like, basically re-engineer Human agriculture and human lifestyles.
I think it is two things, right?
So, first of all, we just said it.
If you control the food, you control the people.
So if people are hungry, if people are scared, they're very easy to control.
So, like I said, this man is saying 26 to 33 percent or something of the carbon emissions worldwide are caused by agriculture and we can't reach net zero.
Net zero is, you know, net zero, without doing this, without getting rid of like a large sector or a large part of the agricultural sector.
So people are going to get hungry.
Yeah.
That is one.
And the other part, you already said it, they're trying to push bugs on us.
They're trying to push bail gates, fake synthetic meat, all of this stuff that isn't good for humans.
Right.
It's actually pretty unhealthy to eat all of this stuff all the time.
Very!
So I feel like what the ultimate goal behind this is, is just to weaken us.
So what are they doing?
They're trying to make foods that are actually, you know, animal-based, that are protein-rich, that are good for the human body, that make you strong and make you grow, that those foods are scarce and limited, right?
And so if you take that out of the diet of, well, the Americans, but actually everywhere in the world, What do you create?
You know, people talk about the soy boys as a joke, but it's real.
It's real.
You know, it's funny, too, because I was giving this some thought, and I used to be very interested in climate, and I had written about it, you know, when I was lefty and more liberal.
And the more I started to dig into it, even back then, the more I looked into it, the more I thought, there's really no evidence.
That this is super essential.
There's really no indication that we should destroy humanity in order to save the planet.
There's no point in saving the planet if we destroy humanity.
It's just not worthwhile.
But like, you don't have to be a rocket scientist or even somebody who knows anything about climate change to see through this lie.
I mean, we just, you know, we perceive reality If you look at the Dutch landscapes, you know, with the green grass, the meadows, the cows grazing, and our windmills, and they say that profession that we've had around for centuries on end is now the cause of a new so-called crisis, like climate change, everybody knows in their gut that that's a lie.
It's not just the food production either, it's also fossil fuels.
And we know, you know, if you look at the history of humanity and the history of energy consumption, fossil fuels raised people out of poverty globally in huge percentages.
The reason we have less poverty in the world is because of fossil fuels.
So they want to take away our fuels that have elevated people out of poverty.
They want to take away our plentiful food sources that again have prevented people from starving.
And they want to do this to meet their own ends, not actually to help humanity.
And when you look back at it, like I was recently looking at this play called Uncle Vanya, written by Anton Chekhov, from whenever ago, the 18-somethings.
And so I'm looking at it, and there's this one character, and he is just blasting the peasants For burning trees, for cutting down trees to use for their fuel source.
He's like, just pick up the peat off the ground.
And I was thinking about that, and I'm like, it is not recent that the elites of this world have been trying to enforce their ideas on, you know, the rest of us, and try and get us to conform to what they want us to do, just in order to better their own lives.
Of course.
We've seen guys at the WEF talking about how, you know, the elites are going to continue to travel around the world.
And for those who can't afford to travel, they'll be able to sit on their couches and look at VR and it'll be just like they're really there.
How generous of them.
Right?
How generous.
They're going to use up all of the resources.
They're going to feed us bugs.
Let them eat bugs.
I made a documentary with Tucker Carlson about this and that was actually called Let Them Eat Bugs.
You know, it was a play with what Marie Antoinette said right before the French Revolution happened.
I don't have to tell you what happened during the French Revolution when she allegedly said, let them eat cake, right?
Oh, the peasants don't have money for bread.
Well, why don't we let them eat cake?
And now they're saying, let them eat bugs.
Yes.
And you know, the thing is, I always like to quote Carl Jung when I talk about the nefarious intentions of our global elites.
He said, if someone's actions don't make sense to you, and you're like, why would someone do this?
You know, we have this question all the time.
Why would the government do this?
Look at the consequences and infer the motive.
So, if the consequences of their attack on global farming is that people are going to be poor and hungry and starve, then apparently their intent is that they want you to be poor, hungry and starve.
I think that's so important.
That's such an important point.
Look at what it is that they are trying to do and understand that that is their intention.
We're going to be back in just a couple of minutes.
We have another guest coming up.
I think he's still around.
So that's going to be very exciting.
Come on, Chris.
Come over for a little bit.
Let's show the people who's coming.
We're going to talk about even more interesting things today.
So thanks for sticking around.
Thanks for tuning in.
Oh, Billboard, Chris, you're too tall for the shot.
Look at that.
There we go.
This is good that you came on early.
We got to fix your shot.
Great.
OK.
So it's great to have you here, Chris.
Right after the break, we're going to talk to you, Chris.
And thanks for sticking around here at TPUSA.
I've been having a great time at this conference.
How about you?
So am I. Are you?
You need a mic.
Sorry.
Yeah, it's amazing.
So many great people, but so many young people.
I know.
Grassroots movements.
That's what we need to save this country, and it's going to start with the young people.
I'm 27 years old, but I feel old at this conference, which is a new one.
I can tell you that.
It's a new one.
Yes.
We will be right back, people.
Stay tuned.
Where's Jack?
Where's Jack?
Where is he?
Jack, I want to see you.
Great job, Jack.
Thank you.
What a job you do.
You know, we have an incredible thing.
We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys, and these are the guys who should be getting Pulitzer's.
And we are back with Human Events Daily.
Ava and I are in for Jack Posobiec.
I'm Libby Emmons with the Postmillennial, and we have Billboard Chris.
Chris Elston here is joining us.
He is an activist.
He speaks out against gender ideology all over the U.S.
and Canada.
We're very glad that he could join us today.
So Ava, why don't you get into it?
Yeah, Chris, I'm so happy to see you.
We keep running into each other everywhere.
I just saw you in Canada, and you are a hero.
Just for the mere fact that you speak the truth about the fact that the girl is a girl and the boy is a boy, and that's that.
But you went pretty viral, I saw, the other day on X again, uncovering a major story.
Could you tell our audience a little bit about what you found, who you spoke to, and what's going on?
Yeah, just yesterday morning, I thought before I came here, I'd head out on the street for some conversations.
I was outside for not even a minute, and I ran into a man named Adam Avina.
He's a dad from California.
And when his little boy was two years old, the mother decided that this boy was really a girl.
And she bought him a pink dress.
The father objected to that.
He sent a bunch of text messages.
All he ever did was send some messages, some text messages, objecting to this.
And because he's not in favor of transitioning his own son, he was given a temporary restraining order where he wasn't allowed to speak to his wife or his son, his ex-wife.
Now he has a new five-year restraining order in place.
The boy is now five years old.
So he's not allowed to talk to his son.
So a father in the state of California refused to refer to his little boy as a girl.
That's right.
And the mother went and got a restraining order against him, not once but now twice, and he cannot see his son?
Yes, because the social workers in California consider it abuse not to affirm the delusion that your child is the opposite sex.
Is this a law over there?
Like, I'm sorry, my European mind's blown right now.
I'm like, how could this possibly be?
Yeah, it is a law.
There is law in California.
A lot of it was brought by our favorite state senator, Senator Scott Weiner, who is absolutely a menace to society.
And he has essentially changed the definition of abuse in California to additionally mean refusing to gender transition your kid.
What were some of the reasons that this mother had for believing that the two-year-old boy was actually a girl?
Of course there are no reasons for that.
She wants her boy to be a girl.
This boy does not have gender dysphoria.
Two-year-olds don't have gender dysphoria.
This boy was still in diapers when she started putting him in a dress.
So, but the practice with the courts and everything is simply affirm the child.
The judge refers to the boy as a girl.
They had a gender assessment done on him before he was even four years old.
I don't know what- That's insane.
That's child abuse.
Yeah, that is insane.
That's insane.
This sounds like this mother is a monster.
Yes, and the judges go along with this.
Now, the first judge has recused himself for some reason.
There's a new judge who also isn't going along with this.
The new judge put a five-year restraining order in place.
So, he won't be able to talk to his son until, at a minimum, this child's ten years old, which is about the age they start kids on puberty blockers.
That's absolutely horrifying.
So the father's name, Adam Navina, right?
Adam Vina.
Vina.
What is he going to do?
I mean, I guess that this man cannot just sit, he's not going to sit around and watch his son be taken from him.
How can we help?
What is the story?
Is he going to take other legal actions?
What's the way forward?
So there's a variety of ways people can help.
So he does have a lawyer.
They're appealing the restraining order.
But what people in California need to do is they need to go to ProtectKidsCA.com because there are three ballot initiatives underway.
Oh, I was hearing about these ballot initiatives, yeah.
ProtectKidsCA.com Yes, this is huge news.
This will send an earthquake all across the nation because there's no way California will ever stop doing this with Gavin Newsom and these people in charge.
California has so many of these laws in place.
California is one of the states where if your kid runs away from home and runs to California, California will allow them to undergo gender transition, you know, sex change stuff, puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, without ever notifying the parents in the state where the child has run away.
Your child could be missing, and in California they could be, you know, being sex-changed by the government.
That's right, but we have three new ballot initiatives underway, so we need to get about 550,000 signatures, and these three initiatives are this.
Stop child transition.
Stop lying to parents.
Schools right now are keeping secret from parents that their own child has a new name and pronouns.
And get men out of women's sports.
So when people go to vote for president next year, these three initiatives should be on the ballot, and Californians can write their own laws.
I hope they do.
I hope they do do that.
And Chris, so you've been going out on the street.
You're called Billboard Chris because you go out wearing a billboard.
Basically, you're a walking billboard.
Merely stating the truth that boys are boys and girls are girls and that we shouldn't mess with the creation and that it's child abuse to put these kids through puberty blockers, etc.
And the responses that you've been given out on the street haven't been mild, so to say.
I remember that you got assaulted, is that right?
Oh, I've been assaulted more than 30 times.
I've had my arm broken by Antifa.
That was in Montreal, wasn't it?
That was in Montreal in 2021.
I was just assaulted in March in front of three dozen police officers.
And they did nothing.
It's right in front of them.
There was recently a big protest, too.
You were out with Chloe Cole.
Yeah.
And some people staged a drag protest?
Yeah, Turning Point USA hosted us at Cal Poly in San Luis Obispo in California.
Three or four hundred counter-protesters came out.
They had a drag show.
And this man, LARPing as a woman, came over to Chloe Cole, who was given a double mastectomy when she was only 15, and he shook his fake breasts in her face to taunt her.
That is so disturbing.
And that's just so disturbing and cruel.
Chris, what would you say?
What is the reason that you see the left and any other suppressive ideology, I would say, really come after kids in particular?
What do you think is behind that?
Well, it's like any totalitarian ruler from the past.
Kids are the easiest to influence.
If they want to change the culture, they're not going to do it through me or through you.
They have to do it through our kids.
So kids are very impressionable.
And parents need to realize that what's going on in school anymore isn't just math, English, and science.
They, social emotional learning is being taught to these kids, which is essentially a values replacement system.
And guess what?
You're probably not going to like the values they're replacing.
It is a values replacement system.
I see this in my son's schools, you know, like it's really disturbing to see what they're trying to push in.
Instead of teaching the kids skills, which grow into confidence, they try and teach them confidence in just, in just their own Sort of innate characteristics, you know what I mean?
It's very bizarre how they just warp language and warp education to make these kids manageable, weird kids who are eventually going to be eating bugs and 3D printed meat.
Right, so they're essentially like little tiny child soldiers to the regime, right?
Child soldiers to the illiberal regime, yeah, that's right.
That is crazy.
But Chris, tell me, why did you start doing this?
What brought you To the idea of going out, walking around like a walking billboard.
What was it that sparked that in you?
Well, I'm a dad, first and foremost.
That's my job.
I've got two girls.
They're 11 and 14.
I've been at this for more than three years now.
And really, I learned about puberty blockers.
And I said to myself, what are those?
And of course they are exactly what they sound like.
We're blocking puberty in perfectly healthy children.
We're giving them the opposite sex's hormones.
They're doing surgeries on kids.
We cannot live in a society that is trying to change the sex of children.
And just to be clear, because I noticed that there are still people who think that those puberty blockers are reversible.
That's a lie, right?
They are not.
Of course it's a lie.
Time is not reversible.
If a girl goes on puberty blockers from 11 to 16, there's no time machine to take her back to being 11 again.
Even the president of the World Professional Association for Transgender Health, who is trans, admits that none of the boys who started on these drugs Have ever been able to have a sex life as an adult.
They've never been able to have an orgasm as an adult.
This is actually a really shocking thing.
This was Dr. Marcia Bowers, right, who came out with this and said that none of the patients that Dr. Bowers had ever had, who were young boys, who went on puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones, were ever able to have, you know, a natural sexual life after that.
And the solution that was proposed by Bowers was that they needed to do more research, not to cut off the drugs.
But of course the drugs are what should be cut off, you know?
Kids should be taught to be happy with who they are, or at least not diverged into some bizarre path that leads to desperation and horribleness.
And we call that progress.
It blows my mind sometimes that we talk about the past as so backwards, you know, and, oh, those were the dark ages.
Well, back in the dark ages, nobody was giving anybody puberty blockers, and we weren't cutting kids' genitals off.
I mean, for heaven's sake.
In just a few seconds that we have left, why do you think that a mom of a two-year-old would be compelled to say that her son was actually a girl?
What's that about?
Well, I liken this to a cult.
This has all the hallmarks of a cult.
People act like that.
This has been sold as the new progressive thing.
But there's nothing progressive or loving about telling a child that they were born wrong.
Chris, how can people support you?
Before we go to the break, I want people to know how they can support you.
Thank you.
They can go to billboardchris.com.
There's a donate button on there.
I'm traveling around the world to spread this message.
But really, I want people to get educated about this, because once they get educated, they can have these intelligent conversations about this, because we have to spread the word.
There's so much money fighting against us, but we have the truth, and the truth spreads for free.
Amen.
Chris, you're doing the Lord's work.
Thank you so much for your efforts.
Thank you for protecting our young.
You're my friend.
I really like you.
I support you.
I think you're doing fantastic work.
I'm always listening to Human Events with Jack Posobiec.
Okay, come closer to me.
And we are back with Human Events Daily, where Ava and I are filling in for Jack Posobiec.
Thanks for sticking around with us today.
We are live from Turning Point USA.
We've been having a great time here at this conference with all these amazing Americans hanging out.
We're very glad to have you guys here.
So, yeah, we've had a lot of fun so far.
We've had Billboard Chris was on.
We had Ashley.
He was talking about puberty blockers and trans stuff.
We had Ashley St.
Clair on.
The ex-it girl who was telling us all about censorship in the EU and the US and how we're fighting back for free speech.
And now we have another issue that we're gonna get into.
Yes, absolutely.
So we've been talking about so many things here that, you know, don't just affect America but also affect the Netherlands.
And the common denominator is of course that we are fighting the same enemy, right?
We are all under attack by the same globalist agenda.
And one of the things that the globalists have figured out they need to do in order to control us is to make us forget about our own identity, forget about our history, and even paint a false picture, of course, of our history.
And now, you came to me with a story, Libby, about, again, the toppling of a statue.
I'll tell you a little bit about what's going on in Europe, because that doesn't just happen in the US, by the way.
Please tell me, what's the next person, who's the next white man that they now decided is going to...
Yeah, this is actually something that I find really troubling.
I found it troubling when they were pulling down statues during the BLM and Antifa riots in the summer of 2020.
They were going after Thomas Jefferson and George Washington and all of our founding fathers, lashing out at them, lashing out at the memorials for them.
And now we have this thing where they're actually coming after monuments and cemeteries.
Arlington National Cemetery is where our veterans are buried in the United States.
And there is a memorial there called the Reconciliation Monument.
And it is to slain Confederate soldiers at Arlington National Cemetery.
Now, Confederate soldiers, they were on the losing side during the Civil War.
You know, my ancestors fought for the Union, but I have a lot of respect for people who stand up for what they believe in, even if I don't even agree with them, you know what I mean?
Of course.
I respect your right to do that.
And I think it's pretty interesting what happened after the Civil War.
The South was so decimated and so demoralized that you had daughters of the Confederacy trying to revitalize just some pride in their region, even though they were definitely losing, and on the losing side, and had some very awful ideas about slavery that are intolerable.
And they paid the price.
And they paid the price.
And we had a memorial to them in Arlington National Cemetery that now has been taken down due to the Pentagon's naming commission, which ordered the removal of the names of bases, posts, ships, streets, and other things named after Confederate soldiers.
Now, when they were toppling memorials, you know, previously in 2020, they said they weren't going to come after cemeteries.
To a certain extent, I understand if voters want to take statues down.
I understand that.
It's where you live.
But to desecrate the dead seems just a step too far.
I wanted to say, nothing is sacred to these people, right?
Nothing is sacred.
And we're taking down statues of the dead of the Confederate soldiers and we watched it get demolished today.
It was dismantled and taken down.
And I think it's just really a shame because it's not about the Confederacy.
So who did this exactly?
This was the Pentagon!
You're kidding.
No, this was the Department of Defense.
Oh, I was thinking you're talking about some Antifa.
No, this isn't even a local thing.
No, this is the Biden administration, the Department of Defense, removing memorial to Confederate soldiers at Arlington National Cemetery.
They're veterans just like anyone else.
They deserve a resting place.
Weren't they all?
They are Americans.
They're all Americans.
Yes.
So What I find most disturbing about this is that the more we take down the monuments that show us what our history was, the less we're going to understand that history and the more easily manipulated Americans will be, the more easily manipulated our kids are going to be into having no understanding of what came before.
I think that it's so important to understand the conflicts that our nation has had, you know?
I think that's so key.
Yes, and not just America.
I mean, this is going on everywhere, right?
So, the rewriting of our history.
That's the scary thing, is the rewriting of the American past.
The rewriting of the past in Europe as well.
All to inflict guilt on the current generation.
Right?
So, I mean, I'm from Europe, as you guys know, and Germany is a perfect example of this.
It's a perfect example.
Right?
It's literally, I have friends there, and even still now, sort of the prejudice that exists against Germans, even though they obviously have nothing to do at all with the events of the Second World War, is still alive because it is kept alive.
Right.
And it is used to basically demonize and make suspicious any type of sentiment of Healthy, you know, patriotism or conservatism, because it's obviously a very easy thing to just say, like, oh, the moment you are in favor of conservative values, the moment you don't think that the patriarchy needs to be destroyed and it's this horrible, oppressive construct, then you know what?
We're going to call you a Nazi and you are responsible for the next Holocaust.
That type of emotional manipulation, of moral manipulation, is a weapon And it's so important, like, to be a patriot in this country is to love the country despite our great faults.
Of course!
And that's such a huge deal, that's such a big thing.
And how are we even going to know where we came from if we just destroy it?
We don't have to feel shame for our past to understand it, to accept it, you know, and to know where we came from.
It's really pretty terrifying to see this go down.
And I hate this, like, what else are we going to pull down?
And what from our era is going to be pulled down in the name of progress?
I mean, what are we pulling down and what are we erecting, right?
Right, what are we erecting?
That's a great question.
What is going up in the place of these things?
Well, let me tell you what's going up in the place of this.
So in Rotterdam the other day, there was a statue that was erected.
This is obviously taxpayers' money, of course.
We're all paying for our own destruction, ladies and gentlemen.
I don't know what to tell you.
Can we quote that?
We're all paying for our own destruction.
We are all paying for our own destruction, and I think that That is an absolute disgrace and we need to think about what the answer to that is, because I'm sick and tired of paying for my own destruction.
But yes, one of the wonderful things that my tax money went to was a new statue in Rotterdam, this is about a half a year ago or so, and it was of a woman, an anonymous woman, it wasn't anyone in particular, it was just a woman wearing a tracksuit, the statue was horribly ugly, and I think it was even called anonymous black woman.
Who is just standing there with her hands in her pockets, just standing there sort of slouching.
And it is, I don't know how many meters tall.
And it just stands there on the square.
It's larger than life-size?
It's way larger than life-size!
And it's a nondescript individual who hasn't done anything, or hasn't contributed anything.
It's like a random face of progress.
Yes, and this is all obviously a result, of course, of the Black Lives Matter movement where we are now taking down statues.
Oh, actually, the takedown of the statue was blocked.
We just got this message from Jack.
Good!
Finally!
We should talk about that after the break, which we are about to go to.
That is amazing.
So there is some resistance still, everybody.
I am so happy to see that.
Let's talk a little bit more about how we can resist this lunacy.
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