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Deliver us from evil.
Folks say they're just cleaning up this place because all those fancy leaders are coming into town.
That's true.
Because it's true.
The president set to meet face-to-face with China's President Xi Wednesday at the APEC Summit in San Francisco, hoping to stabilize tensions amid this downward spiral in relations.
We're very focused on the data we're collecting from surveillance efforts.
We have launched an effort to be able to counter some of the negativity and reach out to people when we see hate speech.
Our social media analysis unit ...has ramped up its monitoring of sites to catch incitement to violence, direct threats to others.
As fighting escalates in Gaza, protests growing here in the U.S.
over the weekend.
Crowds calling for a ceasefire in cities nationwide, from Austin to Boston.
Some rallies turning contentious.
In Skokie, the start of a 13-hour road trip to send a message to the world.
At least tens of thousands are expected to gather on the National Mall for a midday rally tomorrow in support of Israel.
We have been very transparent about the fact that we have limited visibility into both the whereabouts of the hostages within Gaza and their condition.
And I cannot look you in the eye and tell you how many of those hostages are still alive.
Israel's airstrikes, unrelenting.
This was Jabalia refugee camp in the north and our team in Gaza documenting more children pulled from the rubble in the south.
How is the world seeing these weird events that is happening in Spain, this violation to our democracy?
Well, the world isn't seeing it enough and that's why we wanted to come, because it's not getting the coverage it deserves.
I mean, anybody who would violate your constitution, potentially use physical violence, to end democracy, is a tyrant, is a dictator.
And this is happening in the middle of Europe, so we thought it deserved more coverage than it's getting.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily.
This is us live from Washington, D.C.
today, November 14th, 2023.
Anno Domini.
The world is on fire at this very moment.
We're now seeing Not only the protests in Washington, D.C., and we're working.
Producers, let me know when we get the stream up because I know Ben Berquam is there on the scene at the protests in D.C.
We've got pro-Israel protesters, pro-Palestinian protesters are squaring off.
We're also seeing, of course, the protests in the street out in Spain.
We did the entire show about that yesterday.
Tucker Carlson making his surprise appearance.
Really, just immediately after the show ended yesterday, kicking everything into high gear after, of course, we got the ball rolling on Human Events Daily.
Tucker Carlson, a great fan of the show, apparently.
And then we're seeing now, in the pages of the Wall Street Journal, how we're bringing all this home.
There are Israeli politicians are calling, in the pages of the Wall Street Journal, For Palestinian refugees from Gaza to be resettled in the West, specifically in the United States.
Guys, do we have Ben?
Do we have him on the scene?
Ben, tell us what you're seeing down there.
Give us the color of the situation.
Hey Jack, huge, huge crowd.
I've heard numbers between people saying 50,000, 100,000.
I even heard one say 200,000.
I haven't got any confirmed numbers yet, but the crowd is massive.
It goes back, I actually had to move away from the riser.
We're out in a little grass area here because the signal is so jammed right now because there's so many people out here.
But it goes, we're about a block away from Congress.
It goes all the way down past the Washington Monument.
A huge, huge crowd.
And keep this in mind, Jack.
This is after the left had threatened violence here.
They threatened that they were going to be coming out and attacking this event.
And you still have people from across America, around the world, come out and say, we're not going to be afraid of your intimidation.
We're going to stand up and support Israel and support America.
Now, are you seeing any of that?
Are you seeing any of these counter protesters, pro-Palestinian, anyone kicking off any violence, that type of thing?
I haven't seen it, but we've been inside this corral this entire time.
Again, the security level, I heard Kash Patel say it was a level one, DHS level one, which is apparently the highest level security threat.
So they have this entire place cordoned off.
We have a fence around the entire thing, around the perimeter.
There are some protesters outside the fence, but we can't see them from where we're at here.
I haven't heard of any violence.
But knowing the left, you know, this is really, this is this unholy alliance between BLM, Antifa, and Hamas terrorist supporters.
And one thing to keep in mind is this is just a prelude of what's to come.
If President Trump wins in 2024, these guys are aligning their forces to attack not just Israel, but attack America and the West.
This is God versus the devil.
This is All right, Ben, stay tuned, stay there, be safe while you're on the ground.
We'll come back to you as things progress.
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Now I want to go into this Wall Street Journal piece that we have here.
This is written by Danny Dannon and Ram Ben Barak out of Israel.
They're saying that basically there are so many Gazans that have left or are trying to flee from the war zone.
They want to get them out.
They know that Hamas is there.
They know that it's all coming down, but they should be accepted by who?
The United States.
And of course the United States and Europe accepted refugees in the past, So why shouldn't they accept these refugees now?
Well, southern Israel is full of desert.
I don't understand why you couldn't just put these displaced civilians there.
And by the way, there are a lot of civilians that are obviously caught up in the middle of all of this.
The hospitals are completely overflowing in Gaza right now.
In some cases, the hospitals have been affected, you know, directly.
Either hit in strikes or otherwise affected in terms of power, in terms of water, the ability to actually take care of people is severely diminished within the city of Gaza at the moment.
So the case that then comes, why is it incumbent then on the United States of America to take in these refugees when of course we know, we know that this has been the plan from the start in many corners of the US administration.
Someone who's been completely outspoken on this issue is Gavin Wax.
He's the head of the New York Young Republicans.
Gavin, what are we to make of this piece?
Why is it appearing in the Wall Street Journal now?
And is this, as I contend, a part of essentially the plan all along to get rid of the Palestinians?
Yeah, listen, I agree with you.
I think this is part of a normalization effort that is aimed to deal with this Gaza problem.
Listen, you know, I'm supportive of Israel and the right to defend themselves, but this this impending refugee crisis is not the problem of the United States or Western Europe for that matter.
You know, it's the problem of Israel and its neighbors, primarily Egypt and other Arab country who has the closest affinity to the Palestinians and would be the first nation to receive these refugees were they to flee the Gaza Strip.
But I think this effort now being pushed to move something like over a million, maybe two million Palestinians from Gaza into the United States or elsewhere is an absolute Ridiculous idea.
I mean, we are full.
We're full with illegal migrants.
We're full with immigrants and we're full with refugees, many of whom in all these groups should probably be deported to begin with, should probably be denaturalized and certainly shouldn't be here.
We've already seen the problems hitting American cities and American college campuses with these radical pro-Hamas, pro-Islamist protesters and sympathizers that have been, you know, creating havoc in our own, you know, in our own borders, within our own borders.
We don't need another, you know, million to two million of these people coming here to spread that same type of ideas and that same type of rhetoric.
We need the situation to be dealt with over there.
At the end of the day, this is not the United States problem.
Our interests are our own.
We're not here to settle every, you know, different group fleeing from a war zone or fleeing for economic reasons or fleeing for whatever reason.
We need to shut our doors.
We need to focus internally, look to our own borders, and we cannot be taking on all of the world's problems, whether in Israel or elsewhere.
Well, that's exactly right, because they say, oh, you've taken in refugees, you've taken in migrants before.
Yes, that's why we've got the problems that we have at the moment.
That's what have led to this.
And by the way, Gavin, these are not liberals that wrote this.
I looked this up.
These are right-wingers.
And there's essentially neocons of Israel, you're seeing the neocons of the United States.
What is it about the neocon Ideology, shall we say, this group of people that not only pushes for us to invade the world, but also to invite the world.
Why are these two so indelibly tied together?
I mean, at the end of the day, these are very hawkish globalists.
They want to use the remaining resources and power financially, economically, demographically, or any other sense of the United States, this decaying empire, to advance their world agenda.
But they have no care in the world about what happens on our own shores.
So it's an empire that's focused exclusively abroad and not at home.
That's why we have cities filled with drug addicts and homelessness.
We have rising unemployment, rising inflation.
Our entire country, our institutions are all collapsing under their watch.
They don't really care what's happening on the home front.
It's not their interest.
You know, Mike Pence stated it perfectly in his Freudian slip on that first debate where he said he doesn't care about the problems happening in the United States.
They only care about abroad.
They only care about advancing their own interests abroad.
These are not the interests of the American people, American citizens, or national security interests.
These are just the interests of a few globalist elites who are pushing an agenda.
And in many cases, you know, they have a sort of nationalism for other countries that they don't actually express for their own country, which is really the strangest and saddest thing of all, that they have this sort of jingoistic nationalism for another nation.
And then when it comes to their own nation, they kind of just put up their arms and, you know, shrug.
It's a sad state of affairs.
Our elites and our ruling and political class are completely disconnected from the geopolitical realities of the world, and they're completely disconnected from the domestic ills plaguing this country.
And as you show clips of all these typical inner-city American scenes, it just goes to show we really are a declining empire.
I mean, look at this.
We didn't even get our special forces, our interpreters, out of Afghanistan before that thing fell apart.
We saw that the people that came over, you're talking about the bacha-bazis, you're talking about the people that came over that forced their way onto those flights, that completely insane situation that went on in Afghanistan, where, by the way, we had control of the country.
We don't have control of Gaza.
Nobody has control of Gaza right now except maybe Hamas.
And so, it's complete chaos on the ground, bedlam.
And so, the idea that there's going to be any way to vet people coming out of that situation, it's ludicrous.
It's completely insane.
And of course, we've seen before, and I've talked about this, you've talked about this, how for so many people of the Muslim world, They view the actions of Israel to be at the behest of the United States.
So, you bring them to the United States or throughout Europe and they will say, well, we are now going to conduct attacks on you in your homeland because you are responsible for everything that Israel, every negative thing that they claim Israel has done, every negative piece of footage that you see out there, this PR, the TikTok videos, etc.
that's out there, they will blame that on the United States.
And then when they come here, now they have the ability to target your families and your children.
This is completely insane.
There's no way these people can be vetted.
This is why, by the way, Gavin, there was a guy, if I remember correctly, who said we shouldn't be bringing in migrants from this part of the world.
We should be banning people from this part of the world.
Do you remember that guy?
What was his name?
I can't recall.
I believe it was President Donald J. Trump, if I recall correctly.
That guy.
That was the guy.
Yes.
Yes.
He was attacked by these same neoconservatives.
He was attacked by these same neoliberals.
All the worst type of ideologues attacked him, called it stupid, called it impossible.
It was a solid policy.
It was a solid plan.
It would keep us safe at home.
And it would reduce this massive inflow of migrants into this country, refugees or otherwise.
We don't know who these people are.
They're changing up the entire dynamic of this country.
They're depressing wages.
They're bringing over radical ideas.
And they're turning the country in a completely different direction.
We need to close our borders.
And if we can start by closing them from countries that certainly hate us and have populations that are very opposed to the United States, I think that's a sensible policy that should be advocated by all.
But instead, you know, everyone's doing mental gymnastics to justify continuing with this sort of status quo, continuing with these open borders and now encouraging, you know, an entire population from Gaza, an entire militant population.
population, terrorist sympathizing population, a population that overwhelmingly supports terrorist acts against Israel, killing of civilians by every poll, by every metric.
They want to import that into the United States.
You saw Nikki Haley endorsing this.
I mean, it's so insane.
I mean, they're so desperate to get donor approval.
They're so desperate to appear to be the most pro-Israel that they forget that their first and foremost principle should be to be pro-America, pro-United States.
And that does not involve importing 2 million Palestinians into the United States.
It's a ludicrous idea.
In fact, we probably have too many foreign nationals in the United States with Hamas sympathies, and all of them should be deported before we even consider letting another person in. - Well, never before in history has a serious nation invited in the population of another country that they were actively involved in hostilities against.
It's ludicrous on its face.
Why would we ever do this?
Why would we be involved in hostilities against the U.S.?
The U.S.
is involved, right?
Everybody knows this.
That's why the U.S.
forces in Syria and Iraq are completely under attack right now.
That's why we've got special forces, um, helicopters that are going down.
We're seeing all of this across the Middle East.
Okay, we're involved.
The U.S.
is involved, right?
Get it?
You break it, you bought it.
And so, why would you then turn around and say, we are going to bring the people of that area into our country?
No.
In fact, back in the 1940s, if people want to remember this, when we declared war on Japan after Pearl Harbor, what did we do with the Japanese Americans?
We even went so far as to say, not only are we not going to allow Japanese immigration, But we're going to lock up everyone of Japanese descent here in the United States.
No, I'm not saying that that was the best way forward, but I am saying that that's the way the country used to think.
Now we've completely veered to the opposite end of the pendulum, and we're going to do so to our own doom, downfall, and devastation.
Stay tuned.
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Why do you think, by the way, that Gavin Newsom just went over to China, met with Xi Jinping, and then who turns around?
Xi Jinping comes to the United States and goes where?
China-fornia to meet with Gavin Newsom.
That's because in the Democrat shadow primary, they're trying to get Joe Biden out of office.
And they want to replace him with Gavin Newsom.
Problem is, Jill Biden, Joe himself, and the other stubborn people, Steve Visetti, on the Team Biden side within the White House, are refusing to allow this to occur.
They don't want Gavin Newsom to come in.
They're going to try to do everything they can.
And by the way, you're seeing also members of the Obama team Also come out and publicly call for Biden to drop out of the race.
That's the Democrat side.
Everybody gets what's going on there.
Everyone understands that Xi Jinping is the boss coming over to inspect his new purchases.
But on the Republican side, we still have this primary coming forward.
And we still have these people.
You've got the DeSimps.
You've got people that are now plugging for Nikki Haley.
They're pushing for this.
Gavin, why is it Why is it that Donald Trump represents a complete departure from this neocon neoliberal uniparty that we see on not just the Republican side, but we see really across both sides of government?
Listen, I think Donald Trump is the only truly America first candidate in the political arena in 2023.
I mean, it says a lot about the state of our country, but that's really he's our really only champion.
And that's why he's a big threat to the system.
They know he has a very strong possibility of winning.
They know he comes with a strong political and electoral coalition that could be used to actually form a government.
And they know that the policies he wants to enact in his second term will probably make his first term look mild by comparison.
I mean, he's been rolling out a series of policy agendas for a domestic American national renewal and for an American renewal on the world stage, putting America first.
I mean, this goes against all of the machinations and plans and plots and schemes that the globalists have been conjuring up for decades, which has led to the gutting of the United States, to the managed decline of the United States in the broader West and has led to the elevation of China and other and other states at the expense to the managed decline of the United States in the broader West and has led to the So a return to a Trump presidency, an ascendant Trump presidency would also mean an ascendant United States.
And it would be a complete change of course, you know, compared to the direction we've been going in over the last few years, which has been one of managed decline, where we flooded our borders, where our jobs have been continuing to be sent overseas, where politically, we've become more fractured, internally more divided, and militarily more stretched thin.
They're all scared about China, everyone, everyone wants to see the decline of the United States continue.
First and foremost, our own elites who are profiting off this decline, and China secondarily as our biggest geopolitical rival.
So it's a sad state of affairs, but it just goes to show how important this upcoming election is and how desperately we need a return to the Trump White House.
Well, I think that's right, because when you look at it, the globalists view the United States as just another fulcrum, another tool for them.
Our country, to them, is a testing ground for their laboratory cures, their medications, their financial schemes, and also, of course, a commodities market where they can become rich.
off of the backs of our people.
Whereas what Trump was doing was fashioning the United States into a nation state that was actually the leader of the West, the leader of Western civilization.
And Gavin, I know that you and I were both recently over in Belgrade.
We spoke at the counter, what was it counter, not counter, I wish it was counter, counter-revolutionary.
Cross-continental.
Cross-continental conservative conference, the four C's.
Why is it then that it's so important for the United States to view ourselves as the, the carrying the mantle of Western civilization?
Why did President Trump talk about Western civilization the way he did when he was in office?
Listen, to return to our roots, we need to dispel this notion that we're simply an economic zone.
Uh, that the nation doesn't matter, that the borders don't matter, that the culture doesn't matter, that God doesn't matter.
We need to return to the fundamentals of Western civilization, which were based on, you know, family, God, and country.
Uh, and that's what made the West great.
It was this competition between these different states.
It was the competition between these nation states that allowed us, uh, one of the reasons allowed us to progress economically, technologically, culturally, et cetera.
And this decline, this malaise we've seen in the United States and the broader West has been because of this sort of nihilism, this sort of post-modernism, this rejection of the nation, this rejection of the family, the rejection of God.
And we need to return to our roots, and we need to return to a country that puts our interests first, that understands that we are a nation, that we have commonality, that there are things that bind us together beyond simply being born on the right side of the border.
There's deeper roots here, and we need to preserve those roots.
We need to preserve Our idea of the American nation, because it's a good idea, it's an idea that's led to a ton of prosperity, it's an idea that's led to a lot of economic and technological advancement here and abroad, and we need to preserve that.
Otherwise we're surrendering everything and we're getting nothing in return, which is basically the last several decades summed up pretty nicely.
So Trump understands this.
The Trump movement, as Steve Bannon has said, has ascended.
The vast majority of people are beginning to wake up to what's happening in our country and understanding what the elites and the globalists are trying to do.
And they want to see a return to the America that they grew up in, the America that they're nostalgic for, the America that was promised to them and their children and their grandchildren and all their posterity.
And that's an America that's slowly dying under this sort of uniparty beltway regime.
And we need a return to the one man who actually has a vision, who actually wants to return America to greatness.
And that man is Donald J. Trump.
And they're doing everything they can to stop him.
He has all the best enemies.
You could judge a man by his enemies.
Well, he has some of the best enemies out there.
So that's why I'm excited.
And I think we're moving in the right direction.
The polling is looking good.
I know you're talking to Richard Barris later.
So there's a lot of things working in our direction.
We've got to stay vigilant.
Gavin, let me ask you this.
Is it possible for Trump to win?
Because, and not just beyond the polling, we're going to get into that later, but look at this.
Trump turned around everything that Obama did in eight years, Trump turned it around in two years.
People forget that 2019 was the most prosperous year for the United States in modern history.
The American people finally, even the working class, finally saw an Actual and a real raise in their wages.
And so, why is it then that it seems like there's so much, and in the crypto world, they call it FUD, right?
Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt.
Why is there so much FUD around Donald Trump's campaign?
And obviously, I know this is being spread by the opposing Republican campaigns, but Gavin, give us the truth.
Can Trump win this race?
I believe he can.
I believe it's still going to be an uphill battle.
He's going to have all the institutional forces stacked against him once again.
Uh, he doesn't necessarily have the advantages he did, uh, being an incumbent.
Uh, so it's certainly going to be a tough race, but I think the state of the country, the state of the nation, uh, has never been more ripe for political change.
Uh, I think he is viewed as that agent of change.
I think he has a record that you can measure against.
It's going to be a unique election.
The first in generations, you have to go back to the Grover Cleveland elections in the 1880s.
where you had basically a former incumbent battling an incumbent.
There's a lot of strange things going on in this election that don't necessarily have a precedent, but I certainly think he is in one of the best electoral positions he's ever been, especially compared to 2020 or even 2016.
The polling reflects that.
Obviously, the polling is not the end-all, be-all, but it's one of the few quantitative tools we have to measure this.
And I think if you just look at the fundamentals and you just look at the state of the economy, the state of the country, the state of Biden's mental state, mental health, I mean, there's a lot of things pointing to a successful return of President Trump to the White House.
But there's going to be a lot of battles.
There's going to be legal battles.
There's going to be electoral battles.
It's going to be an all out war between now and November 2024.
So that's why we cannot succumb to the sort of defeatist rhetoric and sentiments that some on our own side are pushing, some other Republicans and also Democrats are pushing and advancing in the media and all their other controlled, you know, information, you know, distribution networks, whether it's the media or social media or college campuses, whatever it may be, whether it's the media or social media or college campuses, whatever it may be, we can't be defeatist because that's, you know, if we accept that it's already lost, it's over just from
But listen, I think you made a good point in your opening that what he was able to accomplish in not even four years, just in two years, was incredible.
And it just goes to show when there's political leadership and political will, we can certainly create a fast and robust recovery and renewal of our country.
I mean, just look what they did in San Francisco.
There's a lot of defeatist people that say we can't do it.
It's impossible.
They were setting up beautiful boulevards with new plants, and the homeless were gone, and the streets were cleaned.
If they were able to do that in San Francisco, probably the armpit of this country right now, we could do that at the national stage.
We can fix this entire country overnight.
There's a lot of defeatist people that say we can't do it.
It's impossible.
We have to reject it.
Gavin Wax, give him a follow, folks.
Also, by the way, check out the New York Young Republicans Gala.
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Got to bring in here Richard Barris because, Rich, there was this smart data, no, no, no, no, stack data strategy.
Stack data strategy.
Boy, that's a terrible name.
They really need to fix that.
But it was an electoral college forecast that they put out.
And I'm reading through this thing and it says Trump would win the Electoral College 292 to 246 for Biden but then DeSantis would get absolutely slaughtered in the Electoral College.
We've got The map up right here.
So map break.
Let's take a look at this.
And I looked at it and I said, I'm reading him going, well, this is just what Rich Barris has been saying for months.
This is exactly what he's been saying for months.
So walk me through their data.
Walk me through as it pertains to yours.
What does this mean for the election going forward?
Yeah, thanks for having me, Jack, and I appreciate you saying that because, you know, in my business, you're either right or you're wrong.
You know, you just hope to be a little bit ahead of the curve.
By the way, those sausages with cheese are slamming.
But look, Stack is actually, they really are.
The stack is actually more conservative with Trump's electoral vote projection than some others out there, but it is worth noting.
And I only know this from knowing people who saw it.
The work they did, because they are a Republican group, the work they did in 2022 was very, very accurate.
So it's very important to note what their forecasts are showing.
But it is exactly What I have been saying for a while, a lot of these states, and I think they were frankly a little bit extra fair to Ron DeSantis in Iowa and Ohio because We're doing the Rust Belt poll actually now, Jack.
And you know, with Trump, I mean, these are greater than 10% margins at this point, 10 or better.
They're below out, you take them off the table.
But a lot of Republicans, they want to take those off the table across the board, no matter who it is.
And the fact is, that's not true.
It's very close with the other Republicans, because these are states, we looked at the vote last week in Ohio.
These are states where there are certain voters who only come out for Trump, and then there are voters who, if they do come out, these are the Obama-Trump voters, they won't necessarily vote for another Republican candidate.
They are a Trump-Republican-leaning voter.
They may or may not show up, and if they do, when Trump's not on the ballot, these are independents.
They may vote for another Democrat.
So there are a lot of very close races out there.
But pretty much confirming what everybody else is seeing across the board.
Very big shifts in a lot of these states.
I would just caution people.
Wisconsin tends to poll a little bit more Democratic than Pennsylvania.
So this happened to us in 2020.
Pennsylvania looked two points more Trump than Biden.
And, you know, we were close.
We were right about both in the end.
But Wisconsin was actually the closer state.
So walk me through some of that, because this is the question that I've had perennially when we go to these polls.
Of course, look, I'm very biased.
I'm a little bit too close to Pennsylvania.
I say, look, I don't want to call Pennsylvania because, you know, that's my bias.
I love my Commonwealth.
I always want to win it.
I'm always going to go up there, put the work in.
I'm there every single election, day in, day out, when it comes all the way back to 2016 and all the elections that I worked there statewide and locally, etc., going back Gosh, almost 15 years at this point.
But, that being said, in this data, they've got Pennsylvania in the Trump column, they've got Wisconsin in the Trump column, which I would say, of the Rust Belt, the traditional Rust Belt states, I would say Wisconsin's probably the most likely.
I could certainly see Pennsylvania going for Trump because, of course, it did.
They have Michigan going for Biden.
Okay, I get that.
Minnesota going for Biden.
I get that as well.
But what is it about DeSantis that makes him not able to compete for these same voters, Rich?
Because when you, for me, the story isn't so much that Trump can win them, but why is it that DeSantis, who is essentially, when they say generic Democrat, generic Republican, you know, the generic ballot, they say, and you know, Morning Joe had that whole thing this morning about how Well, the generic Democrat, that's Joe Biden.
I would say the generic Republican is Ron DeSantis.
I would say that that is your generic Republican type of candidate.
Why does a candidate like that perform so badly that they get beat as bad as McCain did in 2008?
Listen, well, you just actually, you just said it right there.
When Trump won in 2016, Republicans resisted the evolution of the party that he was trying to drag them into.
And so, you know, six, seven years later now, Jack, it's ridiculous, frankly, it's pathetic, that Republicans are still being seen in very different light than the former president is.
When the president wins, he's the head of the party, and that usually results in the party becoming more like them or going in their direction.
It certainly means that they take on their identity.
Because we have seen in the Trump era so many other Republican leaders and the donors and the consulting class, Fight him every step of the way.
Everyone looks at Donald Trump and says, yeah, sure, he's a Republican.
He's a different kind of Republican.
You can count on the rest of them to stab him and us in the back.
And Dantas, unfortunately, part of his campaign story is in part betrayal, is it not?
So at least certainly Trump, the Trump team has tried to make it that.
Look at Caroline Carluccio in Pennsylvania last week, Supreme Court candidate, the Republican candidate for the Supreme Court.
This is a candidate who actually won Erie County, which is almost identical every election in Northampton on the eastern side of the state.
She lost Northampton by over 15 points, but she won Erie County.
It looks like a Trump winning map outside of that because Trump, he flipped Northampton in 16 as well.
He barely lost it in 2020.
Where the rest of it comes from, Jack, The difference is the amount of votes that he squeezes out of these counties.
It's not just that he flipped the two bellwethers.
It's that he squeezed the blood from the stone.
There are voters that come out of the woodwork for him, and they're not going to do that for Ron DeSantis or Nikki Haley.
Nikki Haley's numbers right now, jack or fake?
They're fake.
They were DeSantis' numbers six months ago until people got to know him a little bit better.
The minute they come up with the Nikki Haley story and the warmongering sinks in, they're gonna flee from her like rats flee from the exterminator.
They're gonna run like hell.
I mean, that's gonna be the end of it.
I honestly, and I gotta be fair to DeSantis here, I think that DeSantis in the end, despite what the polls say right now, I think he would still perform better than her.
I think she would end up being turned into a very technocrat, kind of military-industrial complex kind of candidate, because that's who she is, and she'll get creamed.
But neither one of them are going to get those voters out.
And if you missed it, in case you missed it on Tuesday, that was the story of last week, that Republicans have a turnout problem.
They cannot get these voters out without him.
No, I think that's exactly right.
And by the way, this is something where, and I keep hearing this, you know, when people, I've seen the DeSantis people saying this, I've seen the left say this, because a lot of them, a lot of their talking points are complete lockstep at this point, but they say, oh, well, this just proves that Trump voters are a cult.
They say, I say, oh, this proves the cult 45 status.
And I say, well, really, because this was the exact same paradigm that we saw for who?
Barack Obama.
In the midterm elections of Barack Obama, we saw that his coalition did not turn out for him in those elections.
Even when he endorsed candidates, even when he came in and campaigned, it just didn't work.
And call it what you will, but I think in this era of sort of the, I call it the rock star politician era.
When you have these rock star candidates, people are going to come out for them because they like their candidate.
that doesn't transfer to every other person when they're not on the ballot.
It's as simple as that.
They have an electricity behind them, they have an X factor, and I'm not saying that Republicans were supportive of Barack Obama, but I'm talking about this broad coalition that he was able to put together on his side the same way that Trump has a coalition on the other side.
Now, which by the way includes a lot of former Obama voters.
Rich Barris coming back with us.
We're going to walk through this and talk about RFK a little bit.
I'm always listening to Human Events with Jack Posobiec.
All right, Jack Pacific back live here, Washington, D.C.
We're talking to Rich Barris.
We're going through the numbers of the forecast for the 2024 election.
Now, Rich, we've been talking about this, we've been talking about the Electoral College, but there's a big name that we haven't thrown in there yet, and A name that, by the way, is getting a little bit of company, what we see right now, that's RFK Jr.
I say he's getting company because we also saw that not only is RFK announced as an independent, we've got Cornell West as an independent, we've also got Jill Stein potentially coming up as a Green Party candidate from 2016.
She might want to come back in.
Now, for people who think that Jill Stein doesn't matter, I want to point out, it's not so much the candidate themselves as the fact that they've got a national party backing.
That already has the infrastructure to get them on the ballot.
Ballot access is absolute key.
So Rich, let's just talk about RFK right now though.
Where do you see him playing as it currently stands?
And then additionally, do you think ballot access will be a challenge for him?
Yeah, first of all, we see these polls go back and forth, and some say that he hurts Biden, some say he hurts Trump.
We came down on the side of him hurting Trump because of where his support comes from, and again, where ballot access is obtainable, right?
I mean, that's really what it comes down to.
Even in the Bloomberg poll, which the headline was, RFK hurts Biden and Trump equally.
That's not really true, because where it hurt Biden in states, he's not even going to get on the ballot.
In Georgia, he's not getting on the ballot.
In Arizona, the chances are close to nil, right?
And you have Joel Stein, who has, people have to understand the rules.
Libertarian, by the way, Lars Mapstead will probably be on the ballot in most of these states as well, if he wins the nomination, which most expect him to.
They have To meet prior vote chairs in a lot of these other states, like did your campaign, did your organization, did your party meet a certain vote chair level?
And then that helps them qualify to get on the ballot.
Every state is different.
But I, again, even in the morning console poll, which had that headline, Jack, if you looked inside the numbers, you would see it.
RFK's favorability rating is much better among Trump voters than it is among Biden voters.
So again, He can get on the ballot easier in a state like Minnesota.
Maybe that would hurt Biden, but I'm not sure.
We'll see.
The numbers don't suggest that.
Could he get on in a state like Pennsylvania?
Yes, he could.
Will he get on a state that, you know, which on the flip side could hurt Biden more like Georgia?
No, no.
I mean, the chances are very nil.
There are some New England in the stack data projection.
There is some which doesn't surprise me, like Maine.
He hurts Biden in Maine.
He hurts Biden in New Hampshire a little bit.
That doesn't surprise me.
But overall, those two states are not going to decide the electoral college vote.
I mean, that's not the winner.
The states that will decide that are the states we were just talking about.
Those Rust Belt votes plus Arizona and Georgia.
And two of them, he won't even get on the ballot.
Oh, no.
And I think, by the way, Texas, if I remember correctly, I think Texas used to be you could actually just pay your way to get on the ballot.
Is Texas still like that?
Texas had six candidates last time.
So, you know, we didn't go over that one specifically because, you know, I don't really expect Texas to be whole competitive, really.
But, you know, some of these other ones where they are potential upsets, you know, New Hampshire, excuse me, New Mexico, Colorado.
That projection, one of the things that jumped out at me is that they have Colorado closer than New Hampshire.
New Hampshire, excuse me, I did it again.
New Mexico.
New Mexico was actually closer last time.
So it wasn't just a Gary Johnson effect from 16 even in 2020.
And we're seeing this shift among Hispanic voters in going to the Trump column.
You know, when you're getting 43% of the Hispanic vote nationwide, New Mexico is going to close.
I mean, there's no doubt about it.
Look at the poll out of Arizona today as Trump up by eight.
They're basically tied with Hispanic votes and the white vote is more pro-Trump than it was in 2020.
So that's where that stuff comes up.
That's where, you know, you really see the impact.
And when you're looking at the national polls, those are the states we would expect to be able to see them.
I think it's exactly right.
And by the way, if we can, guys, let's throw up that B-roll of the march in DC that's going on right now, or at least if we can get the live shot up, because I know it's getting pretty big.
And this is important, I think, for people to see, because people have to understand, and Rich, maybe you can talk about this a little bit as well, from the political standpoint, we're seeing this Obviously, the new sort of paradigm is that the Israel-Gaza, Israel-Hamas, Israel-Palestine, however people want to talk about it, split, is having an effect here in the United States.
Do you think that it's going to drive people more towards Trump?
Is it going to help with Biden?
How do you think it plays out?
Well, I think the danger for Biden as part of his base has already begun to fracture.
The reason why Democrats don't denounce Palestinians and even denounce Hamas is because they can't win without Dearborn, Michigan voting so heavily in favor for that.
They can't win Minnesota without big turnout and margins in Muslim communities in the Twin Cities areas.
They need that.
Part of his base fracturing is a real danger here.
And, you know, where do those voters go?
If they don't trust Biden, they go to a third party option.
A few of them split off, especially the younger vote that happened to Hillary Clinton on other issues that they didn't trust her on.
Biden, for the first year, maybe year and a half, he didn't have any problems with his progressive base.
The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is like a litmus test.
It's like abortion for the right in some of these areas.
ever been to college knows this is a big deal for the young progressive base.
The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is like a litmus test.
It's like abortion for the right in some of these areas.
could help Trump outside of that is that these protests scare white people.
Let me just be very, I mean, there's, I'm not saying that to be provocative.
These protests scare white people, especially even some suburban white people.
They don't like this order. - I think that's right, I think that's exactly right. - They don't like this order.
Independence, big problem they had with Trump going into 2020, is they constantly felt like the boat was rocking, whether it was his fault or not, whether the media and the Democratic Party were the ones rocking the boat.
It was really irrelevant to them.
They just couldn't stand so much rocking.
We call them the seasick voters.
They just wanted the boat to stop rocking.
They were just so nauseous.
They don't like disruption.
They like stability.
And when they see civil unrest like this, the man in the White House will be blamed.
Trump was blamed for the civil unrest in the summer riots of BLM and Antifa.
Right or wrong?
Maybe it wasn't right, but it's the truth.
And then Biden will be blamed for this as well.
And people do not like civil unrest at all.
Normies.
Big deal with the normies, Jack.
I mean, that's what it comes down to.
Rich, we're just about out of time.
I think you're exactly right.
I think this is going to play in the suburbs.
It's going to fracture the leftist coalition.
Real quick, where can people go to follow you and get more information on this data?
We're everywhere.
Best places.
Locals.
People's Pundit.
DotVocals.com.
Thanks, Jack.
All the best, brother.
Appreciate it, Rich.
God bless, man.
Folks, we have to understand what's happening overseas is now coming home to America's shores.
